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| 03:35:40 | * | [Saint] wonders why people wouldn't use FAT-safe file naming. |
| 03:38:24 | chrisb | too much time in unixland |
| 03:39:25 | [Saint] | I'm not really sure that's a valid excuse. It's one of the very few naming schema that'll work _everywhere_. |
| 03:39:49 | chrisb | true |
| 03:46:51 | [Saint] | I've just got an automated rule that periodically checks my downloads folder for my totally legitimately aquired audio that I definitely paid for and have the rights to and runs MusicBrainz Picard over it. |
| 03:47:08 | [Saint] | Tags it FAT-safes it in one go. |
| 03:55:03 | chrisb | you can use picard without the UI? |
| 04:00 |
| 04:06:32 | [Saint] | Bah. Sorry. Brainfart. Not sure why I called it that. I use beets, which uses MusicBrainz. |
| 04:07:49 | chrisb | yes, beets |
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| 04:53:07 | skinkitten | hey i got a 5th gen ipod is this the right place for me to get a guide? |
| 04:55:39 | [Saint] | https://www.rockbox.org/download/ |
| 04:57:12 | [Saint] | Note: Only Windows formatted iPods are supported, if you have a Mac formatted iPod (HFS), you need: |
| 04:57:12 | [Saint] | https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/IpodManualRestore |
| 04:57:37 | [Saint] | The /best/ way to do a restore is using iTunes, but I noticed you said you use Fedora....so |
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| 06:07:46 | skinkitten | didn't work |
| 06:08:24 | skinkitten | it's already a fat32 format. |
| 06:08:33 | skinkitten | But i can't get it mounted. |
| 06:10:38 | [Saint] | You don't actually /need/ to mount it to get the bootloader installed. |
| 06:10:50 | [Saint] | I suspect this device has some critical issues. |
| 06:11:02 | [Saint] | At the very least the bootloader installation should succeed. |
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| 06:19:26 | skinkitten | how is the bootloader installed? |
| 06:20:39 | [Saint] | raw write, it doesn't require the storage partition to be mounted at all. |
| 06:20:58 | [Saint] | hell, it doesn't even require the device to have an HDD _in_ it. |
| 06:21:17 | skinkitten | it sounds like you know what you're doing |
| 06:21:34 | skinkitten | I on the other hand can't manage it so dexterously |
| 06:21:49 | [Saint] | Does the device actually present itself to the OS? Have you checked dmesg? |
| 06:22:09 | [Saint] | The usual error here is people using "sharge only" USB cables. |
| 06:22:13 | [Saint] | *charge |
| 06:23:10 | skinkitten | I put it to reformat to fat32 using GParted. brb. |
| 06:24:37 | [Saint] | Why? |
| 06:25:07 | [Saint] | That's not going to give you a functional device. Now you're going to have to run through the ipodmanualrestore flow. |
| 06:30:23 | skinkitten | hm |
| 06:31:10 | [Saint] | gparted likes to wipe out the hidden partition and set the wrong partition type. |
| 06:31:42 | [Saint] | "just format it" isn't something that's worked in electronics since the late 80s. |
| 06:32:55 | skinkitten | https://paste.ubuntu.com/26077587/ |
| 06:34:31 | skinkitten | SORRY |
| 06:35:08 | skinkitten | it was here : https://paste.ubuntu.com/26077593/ |
| 06:36:15 | [Saint] | I see nothing wrong with that. |
| 06:36:47 | [Saint] | first one errored because you passed it a partition instead of the block device. That's expected. |
| 06:37:02 | [Saint] | second one is absolutely fine. |
| 06:40:00 | skinkitten | i can't get the ipod firmware |
| 06:40:14 | skinkitten | its a 5th gen 80gb classic ipod |
| 06:42:22 | [Saint] | Ooooohhhh, ouch. Yeah, that's not fun. Looks like our they dropped support for all the ipods. |
| 06:42:31 | [Saint] | Well, that's interesting. |
| 06:43:19 | [Saint] | Well, the good news is it's preactically impossible to screw up an ipod without a lot of very deliberate effort. The bad news is you're going to have to do it with iTunes unless you can locate the .ipsw elsewhere. |
| 06:43:25 | [Saint] | *practically |
| 06:43:47 | [Saint] | Rockbox doesn't host them for obvious legal reasons. |
| 06:44:39 | [Saint] | Oh, no. I'm an idiot. They just moved things around. I probably did the same thing you did. |
| 06:44:41 | [Saint] | One sec. |
| 06:45:27 | [Saint] | I'm guessing you did exactly what I did and just looked at the first list of firmware. |
| 06:45:53 | [Saint] | You want "Firmware for classic iPods", "5G (20/1.3) |
| 06:45:56 | [Saint] | " |
| 06:47:10 | [Saint] | That is of course if you're confident it's a 5G and not the 5.5G or some frankenpod someone's rebuilt. You'll want to check the USB PID to confirm that. |
| 06:48:00 | skinkitten | how to check the USB PID |
| 06:48:29 | [Saint] | lsusb |
| 06:49:15 | skinkitten | tysm : Bus 002 Device 009: ID 05ac:1261 Apple, Inc. iPod Classic |
| 06:51:03 | [Saint] | Aha, so not a 5th gen of any description. |
| 06:51:17 | [Saint] | That explains a lot. |
| 06:52:09 | [Saint] | et viola: |
| 06:52:09 | [Saint] | https://files.freemyipod.org/~user890104/bootloader-ipodclassic.html |
| 06:52:53 | [Saint] | This is my fault. I really need to stop taking people at face value when they say they have iPod X, Y or Z. I should get them to confirm it. |
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| 06:56:06 | skinkitten | tysm : rockbox says it doesn't detech a mount point |
| 06:57:20 | [Saint] | come again? What is saying what exactly? |
| 06:57:24 | skinkitten | "ipod classic (6th gen)" returns "mountpoint does not exist" |
| 06:58:00 | [Saint] | WHere in the process are you exactly, and what is producing that output? |
| 06:58:29 | skinkitten | step 3 : https://files.freemyipod.org/~user890104/bootloader-ipodclassic.html#install_linux |
| 06:59:57 | [Saint] | Errr, one sec. Things are kinda screwed up on this device so we need to juggle things around a bit. Lets forget Rockbox Utility even exists for now. |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:06 | [Saint] | Jump to step 6. |
| 07:01:45 | [Saint] | (and ignore step 11) |
| 07:05:14 | [Saint] | When the bootloader is installed, we can jump into DIsk Mode and finish the installation manually. |
| 07:07:03 | skinkitten | i keep getting jsoto.machinecode is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 07:08:20 | [Saint] | You're not running this as root? |
| 07:08:21 | skinkitten | https://paste.ubuntu.com/26077725/ |
| 07:08:43 | [Saint] | also - I'm an idiot, don't ignore step 11. |
| 07:09:29 | [Saint] | That error would indicate that you're trying to run this as a normal user. This assumes you have root permission. |
| 07:09:40 | [Saint] | either prefix with sudo or do "sudo su -" |
| 07:10:51 | [Saint] | note that step 8 is vitally important and you absolutely require libusb-1.0.0 on the host. |
| 07:11:36 | [Saint] | I have no idea what fedora does for package management, that's an excercise for the reader. Presumably they use apt? I honestly have no idea. |
| 07:11:59 | skinkitten | https://paste.ubuntu.com/26077739/ |
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| 07:13:01 | [Saint] | try libusb-1.0.0-dev |
| 07:14:07 | [Saint] | yes? |
| 07:14:17 | skinkitten | how do i use apt-get? |
| 07:14:39 | [Saint] | It seems that on Fedora, you don't. |
| 07:15:11 | [Saint] | Not by default apparently. Aren't these niche distors fun? |
| 07:15:22 | [Saint] | *distros |
| 07:16:21 | [Saint] | Some poking around seems to indicate that libusb is provided by the libusbx-devel package in fedora. |
| 07:16:22 | skinkitten | debian uses apt-get, fedora uses yum or dnf |
| 07:16:36 | skinkitten | powerful thank you |
| 07:16:46 | [Saint] | 'sudo dnf install libusbx-devel' seems to be what you want. |
| 07:17:02 | skinkitten | the root or user is confusing |
| 07:17:41 | skinkitten | oddly my user is not working anymore even with sudo |
| 07:17:55 | [Saint] | It's not a popular opinion but from my point of view most end users have no business using the vast majority of linux distributions. |
| 07:18:19 | [Saint] | Joe User should probably be using Ubuntu or Mint. |
| 07:18:29 | skinkitten | https://paste.ubuntu.com/26077767/ |
| 07:19:21 | [Saint] | looks good. |
| 07:20:06 | [Saint] | Now to steps 6~13. |
| 07:21:10 | [Saint] | DFU mode can be a right pain in the ass to hit for some people, as for all intents and purposes it looks like the device is powered off. |
| 07:21:20 | [Saint] | There's a video included in the page to help you with this. |
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| 07:24:42 | skinkitten | tysm : https://paste.ubuntu.com/26077799/ |
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| 07:24:57 | skinkitten | it ain't findint |
| 07:25:03 | skinkitten | finding* it |
| 07:25:24 | [Saint] | lsusb please |
| 07:26:10 | [Saint] | There's a good chance it's actually right and the device is powered of. |
| 07:26:20 | [Saint] | the DFU combo is a real bitch. |
| 07:26:21 | skinkitten | wait i just DFU |
| 07:26:24 | [Saint] | Woo! |
| 07:26:44 | skinkitten | https://paste.ubuntu.com/26077805/ |
| 07:27:38 | [Saint] | excellent. |
| 07:27:59 | skinkitten | tysm : how do i get the path? |
| 07:28:10 | [Saint] | for what? |
| 07:28:30 | [Saint] | Oh, ~/Downloads presumably? |
| 07:28:35 | skinkitten | in step 12 |
| 07:28:40 | skinkitten | −−bl-inst path/to/bootloader-ipod6g.ipod |
| 07:29:08 | [Saint] | I have no idea where fedore would save that to, presumably they follow some degree of narmalcy but I've been wrong before. |
| 07:29:21 | [Saint] | *normalcy |
| 07:29:51 | [Saint] | An educated guess would be ~/Downloads |
| 07:30:01 | skinkitten | it worked! tysm |
| 07:30:39 | skinkitten | if i could take a pic it would say "Entering USB mode...\nBootloader USB mode" |
| 07:31:17 | [Saint] | Do you have a mountpoint for the device now? |
| 07:31:19 | skinkitten | what now? |
| 07:31:31 | skinkitten | how do I detect? |
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| 07:31:58 | [Saint] | 'mount' should list it |
| 07:33:03 | skinkitten | https://paste.ubuntu.com/26077841/ |
| 07:34:30 | skinkitten | did you see this ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/26077848/ |
| 07:35:24 | skinkitten | still therE? |
| 07:36:19 | [Saint] | Sorry, bathroom. |
| 07:36:19 | [Saint] | OK, unplug the device, hold menu+select until the device reboots, and then hold select+play immediately. |
| 07:36:37 | [Saint] | This should enter Apple Disk Mode, assuming all went to plan. |
| 07:36:55 | [Saint] | Then replug the device and give the the output from dmesg please. |
| 07:38:37 | skinkitten | never entered apply disk mode |
| 07:39:52 | skinkitten | https://paste.ubuntu.com/26077873/ |
| 07:39:56 | skinkitten | tysn |
| 07:40:00 | skinkitten | tysm* |
| 07:41:39 | [Saint] | Could you force a reboot please with menu+select and then force rockbox USB mode by immediately holding select+right please. |
| 07:41:51 | [Saint] | then repeat the dmesg output. |
| 07:44:10 | skinkitten | ty : https://paste.ubuntu.com/26077888/ |
| 07:45:16 | [Saint] | wow, that is not a happy disk. |
| 07:46:36 | skinkitten | :( |
| 07:47:04 | [Saint] | does it have a valid parititon table? would you be able to screenshot gparted on sdb for me? |
| 07:47:22 | skinkitten | ok |
| 07:47:39 | skinkitten | damn I might have erased the ipod partition table you provided earlier.. |
| 07:47:45 | skinkitten | from rockbox is that link around? |
| 07:47:56 | [Saint] | we don't need that now. |
| 07:48:59 | skinkitten | actually i got the video 80gb partition table..from here https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 07:49:06 | skinkitten | isn't that the wrong ipod generation? |
| 07:49:12 | [Saint] | Yes. |
| 07:49:22 | [Saint] | We don't need it anyway. It's OK. |
| 07:49:48 | [Saint] | The original firmware got hosed after its first meeting with gparted. |
| 07:50:09 | skinkitten | https://imgur.com/a/UG1mU |
| 07:50:21 | skinkitten | tysm |
| 07:50:27 | skinkitten | there's the gparted screenie as requested |
| 07:51:16 | [Saint] | OK, so now that we don't have to worry about the original firmware that's already gone we can remove the unknown partition and replace it with a FAT32 partition. |
| 07:51:26 | [Saint] | This should give us disk access for Rockbox. |
| 07:51:45 | skinkitten | ok its converting on gparted |
| 07:51:57 | skinkitten | is that a roger / 10-4 |
| 07:51:58 | skinkitten | ? |
| 07:53:01 | skinkitten | how do i do that? is it as simple as "format to fat32" on GParted? |
| 07:53:25 | [Saint] | right click the unknown partition, select delete, right click the unallocated partition, select new, then create a primary FAT32 partition of the entire disk surface. |
| 07:56:42 | skinkitten | got it done. tysm |
| 07:56:46 | skinkitten | what next? |
| 07:57:32 | [Saint] | Unplug, force a reboot, replug, and then lets see what dmesg thinks. |
| 07:59:22 | skinkitten | hold on...after the formating succeeded ... gparted showed me the disk was again as a "unknown partition" |
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| 08:00:26 | skinkitten | https://imgur.com/a/rsi32 [Saint] |
| 08:00:35 | skinkitten | it looks like there is 2 partitions |
| 08:01:23 | skinkitten | partition1 must be the rockbox while partition2 being? |
| 08:03:59 | skinkitten | i'm going to format the partition2 to FAT and not using the overwrite data with zeroes (slow) but the (fast) mode |
| 08:05:34 | skinkitten | now it's doing that...but it look like it errroed : https://imgur.com/a/5oeFU |
| 08:06:09 | [Saint] | you selected vfat anyway, we want FAT32 |
| 08:09:54 | skinkitten | that disks program doesn't provide FAT32 option, only a generic FAT which prompted that error |
| 08:10:39 | [Saint] | you need dosfstools |
| 08:11:27 | [Saint] | sudo dnf dosfstools |
| 08:11:51 | [Saint] | you'll need to restart gparted after that for it to detect it. |
| 08:12:19 | skinkitten | i already have it installed |
| 08:13:08 | skinkitten | well lets see what GParted says next |
| 08:13:18 | skinkitten | right now it completed a FAT32 formatting |
| 08:13:41 | skinkitten | but i'm afraid it'll repeat the error of last time |
| 08:14:01 | [Saint] | Ok, unplug, force a reboot (menu+select), replug, then lets see what dmesg thinks this time. |
| 08:15:38 | skinkitten | https://paste.ubuntu.com/26078014/ |
| 08:16:00 | skinkitten | tysm |
| 08:16:40 | [Saint] | did this ipod function at all before we started this journey? I'm willing to bet that it had some very serious issues, right? |
| 08:16:50 | skinkitten | maybe we should do : https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 08:16:54 | [Saint] | because that disk is in really bad shape. |
| 08:17:11 | [Saint] | and no, there's no path to that for the ipod6g. |
| 08:17:39 | skinkitten | it worked but as I was adding stuff using rhythmbox it just got wiped clean oddly |
| 08:17:49 | skinkitten | meaning all the tracks disappeared |
| 08:18:03 | [Saint] | Right. That's not surprising. Your disk is absolutely trashed. |
| 08:18:04 | skinkitten | and then it wasn't able to be detected by rhythmbox |
| 08:18:09 | skinkitten | darn. |
| 08:18:32 | skinkitten | is there anything that could be saved with the "rockbox bootloader"? |
| 08:19:41 | skinkitten | could a "ext4" formatting work? |
| 08:20:00 | [Saint] | No. |
| 08:20:28 | [Saint] | Rockbox and the Apple firmware only function with FAT32, but formatting it alone isn't going to magically fix all the bad sectors in the dick. |
| 08:20:52 | [Saint] | I need to do a little research on my end to see if I still have a disk recovery tool that /might/ work. |
| 08:21:36 | [Saint] | errr, disk |
| 08:22:09 | skinkitten | damn sorry |
| 08:23:16 | skinkitten | here [Saint] success ?? : https://imgur.com/a/oMoQj |
| 08:24:26 | [Saint] | "sudo fdisk -l" please |
| 08:25:27 | skinkitten | https://paste.ubuntu.com/26078053/ |
| 08:25:29 | skinkitten | tysm |
| 08:27:44 | [Saint] | No harm in trying to mount it and proceed...I guess. "mkdir ~/ipod; sudo mount /dev/sdb1 ~/ipod" |
| 08:28:32 | [Saint] | then download http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipod6g/rockbox-ipod6g-20171130.zip |
| 08:29:29 | skinkitten | i don't think it mounted |
| 08:29:41 | [Saint] | what makes you say that |
| 08:30:54 | skinkitten | i don't see it in my nautilus |
| 08:31:53 | skinkitten | but i do see it if i type mount..ok tysm. Where do i place that download? |
| 08:32:53 | skinkitten | https://paste.ubuntu.com/26078078/ |
| 08:33:05 | [Saint] | "unzip ~/Downloads/rockbox-ipod6g-20171130.zip -d ~/ipod |
| 08:33:06 | [Saint] | " |
| 08:33:35 | [Saint] | then "sync" |
| 08:34:43 | [Saint] | Assuming that completes without error, unplug the device and force a reboot. Hopefully it /should/ boot into Rockbox. |
| 08:34:50 | skinkitten | https://paste.ubuntu.com/26078088/ |
| 08:35:12 | skinkitten | no error! proceeding. |
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| 08:35:31 | [Saint] | menu+select to force reboot, it should boot into Rockbox. Hopefully. |
| 08:36:03 | skinkitten | nope. it showed PANIC after the reboot |
| 08:36:18 | skinkitten | and it is now back in "rockbox bootloader" |
| 08:37:19 | [Saint] | That's interesting. It's trying to run. |
| 08:38:26 | [Saint] | You might find that if you reboot one or two times it works, this disk is in seriously bad shape. |
| 08:39:34 | [Saint] | There's something we can try but it is quite an involved process with no real guarantee. |
| 08:39:39 | [Saint] | brb - bathroom |
| 08:40:05 | skinkitten | do you know what this second partition is in the ipod? : https://imgur.com/a/NCRFn |
| 08:41:42 | [Saint] | That actually mad me wondering, it seems too large to be the original firmware partition. |
| 08:41:46 | [Saint] | *had |
| 08:42:23 | [Saint] | I mean, we can check if the original firmware is still there but I sincerely doubt it is. |
| 08:42:37 | [Saint] | reboot the ipod using menu+select and then hold menu while it rebots. |
| 08:42:42 | skinkitten | the partition showed up on my nautilus |
| 08:42:49 | skinkitten | SHINYMETAL2 is mounted! |
| 08:43:59 | skinkitten | woah! should I hit install? : https://imgur.com/a/Y0s6b |
| 08:44:34 | [Saint] | that's just an automated way of doing what we just did to achieve the panic result. |
| 08:44:54 | [Saint] | all the installer does is basically unzip an archive to the disk. We already did that. |
| 08:45:20 | skinkitten | oh tysm |
| 08:45:57 | skinkitten | should I get rid of the unknown partition with GParted? |
| 08:46:01 | [Saint] | No. |
| 08:46:13 | skinkitten | oh |
| 08:46:26 | skinkitten | what next? |
| 08:46:29 | [Saint] | I am curious if the original firmware is intact. |
| 08:46:33 | [Saint] | reboot the ipod using menu+select and then hold menu while it rebots. |
| 08:46:41 | skinkitten | do i unplug? |
| 08:46:48 | [Saint] | Yes. |
| 08:47:42 | [Saint] | Does the original firmware start? My hunch is it will not. |
| 08:47:45 | skinkitten | apple logo, language setup |
| 08:47:52 | [Saint] | Curious. |
| 08:48:25 | skinkitten | its the original firmware |
| 08:48:37 | [Saint] | That's a stroke of luck. It's not really good or bad, it's just...odd. |
| 08:49:20 | [Saint] | What you were showing me before indicated it was indeed _not_ present. I would guess now in hindsight that that's related to the disk being trashed. |
| 08:50:31 | [Saint] | There is a path forward here if we want to try and remap all the bad sectors on the disk that the disk firmware is notoriously famous for, but I'm unsure if I'm entirely willing to go down that road. |
| 08:51:21 | [Saint] | IF you do, and that's a big if, we would start at https://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic/PrepareDFULinux |
| 08:51:55 | [Saint] | The process to remap the bad sectors can take anywhere from hours to a week or longer, and the iPod must remain powered the entire time. |
| 08:54:17 | [Saint] | It involves following the directions on that page until we get to the "next step" at the bottom and then supplying a specific hddscan .ubi file instead of the emCORE firmware |
| 08:55:36 | skinkitten | uhm its plugged in? can you walk me through the commands please? |
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| 08:55:58 | skinkitten | i can keep the ipod powered through the week |
| 08:56:43 | [Saint] | first thing to do would be to download the pyusb 1.0.0 from the link atop that page. |
| 08:58:06 | [Saint] | then extract the .zip and run (as root) setup.py |
| 08:58:15 | skinkitten | https://paste.ubuntu.com/26078180/ |
| 08:58:35 | skinkitten | i did "pip install pyusb" successful |
| 08:59:14 | [Saint] | try running it with python2 |
| 08:59:37 | [Saint] | the device should be in DFU mode at this point. |
| 08:59:53 | skinkitten | oh..its in rockbox bootloader mode |
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| 09:00:00 | [Saint] | AH, that'll be why. |
| 09:01:17 | skinkitten | https://paste.ubuntu.com/26078197/ |
| 09:01:51 | [Saint] | Does the iPod display "UMSboot" on the screen? |
| 09:01:56 | skinkitten | yes! |
| 09:01:59 | skinkitten | tysm |
| 09:02:12 | [Saint] | please download https://files.freemyipod.org/misc/hddscan2-20111121.ubi |
| 09:02:29 | skinkitten | got-it |
| 09:02:53 | [Saint] | Has the system mounted a 64MB volume? |
| 09:03:00 | skinkitten | yes |
| 09:03:06 | skinkitten | uh |
| 09:03:15 | skinkitten | UMSboot you mean? |
| 09:03:40 | [Saint] | Yes, it should be ~64MB this is actually the RAM of the iPod |
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| 09:03:56 | [Saint] | save the .ubi file to this volume. |
| 09:04:26 | [Saint] | then eject the volume. |
| 09:04:47 | skinkitten | done |
| 09:04:56 | [Saint] | scandisk should run at this point. |
| 09:05:28 | [Saint] | the ipod will make some terrifying noises as the heads crash repeatedly, this is expected. you should see a counter that may or may not progress linearly. |
| 09:05:46 | skinkitten | its quiet |
| 09:05:49 | skinkitten | surprised? |
| 09:05:58 | [Saint] | mildly. |
| 09:06:14 | skinkitten | it has a lot to process |
| 09:06:30 | [Saint] | yes, every single sector on the disk. several times over. |
| 09:07:17 | skinkitten | this is what will take up to a week? |
| 09:07:24 | [Saint] | Yes. |
| 09:07:27 | skinkitten | do I need to monitor? |
| 09:07:51 | [Saint] | It could be minutes, hours, days or weeks. There's no easy way to tell. |
| 09:08:20 | skinkitten | it does the remapping and repair? |
| 09:08:26 | skinkitten | *crosses fingers* |
| 09:08:54 | [Saint] | If or when it does complete you would follow the directions at https://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic/PrepareDFULinux verbatim. |
| 09:09:15 | [Saint] | we took a detour from that to supply the hddscan firmware instead of emCORE. |
| 09:09:27 | [Saint] | emCORE is the grandfather of the current Rockbox bootloader. |
| 09:10:17 | [Saint] | it is less user friendly, but it gets the job done, and it has the smarts embeded in it to use the map file to avoid the bad sectors. |
| 09:10:35 | [Saint] | you will lose some disk space because of this remapping, I can't say how much. |
| 09:12:11 | skinkitten | i'm going to crash on my bed. when it does finish i hope we could continue and thank you. |
| 09:12:11 | [Saint] | it's important that you know that you can exit this at any time you want to safely, and that the ipod can be recovered to a factory state - albeit with a still broken disk. |
| 09:12:30 | [Saint] | iTunes will automatically offer to restore an iPod presented to it in disk mode. |
| 09:12:35 | [Saint] | errr, DFU mode. |
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| 09:13:26 | [Saint] | If you do not have access to iTunes or do not want to use iTunes, you can use https://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Restore_iPod_without_iTunes |
| 09:13:34 | [Saint] | but that process is quite involved. |
| 09:14:42 | [Saint] | (it assumes a Windows computer anyway, so...you may as well use iTunes) |
| 09:14:49 | [Saint] | AFAIK there is no recovery path for linux. |
| 09:15:41 | [Saint] | Oh, maybe. Hmmm. I'm tired too. Well, we'll cross that bridge if or when we come to it. |
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| 09:26:44 | _Bilgus | [Saint], that was herioc man 4 hours of apple foo :P |
| 09:27:15 | _Bilgus | heroic even |
| 09:31:55 | [Saint] | As always, the length of time was entirely my own fault. |
| 09:32:19 | [Saint] | I could've avoided a lot of that by asking simple questions about what the user experiences. |
| 09:32:52 | [Saint] | I figure now I should never start with the assumption that the user knows the device model or has a currently functional device. |
| 09:33:20 | [Saint] | the device model thing I cast no blame for, Apple makes it absurdly diffcult for Joe USer to identify the correct model. |
| 09:33:53 | [Saint] | They're all the "Classic" moniker now, but as far as we're concerned the Classic is only ipod6g. |
| 09:34:14 | _Bilgus | maybe there needs to be a little checklist or something, Hey Its an IPOD! |
| 09:35:05 | [Saint] | I've been bitten by refurbished ipods before, I should learn my lesson. |
| 09:35:09 | [Saint] | USB PID or bust. |
| 09:35:17 | [Saint] | That won't lie to me or be mistaken. |
| 09:35:26 | [Saint] | tl;dr: am idiot. |
| 09:35:59 | [Saint] | The important thing I suppose is that that disk is on its slow and head crash ridden path towards a sector map. |
| 09:36:46 | copper | noobish mistake! |
| 09:36:51 | [Saint] | I have an iPod here that was so toasted when I got hold of it that there's only 13.5GB of usable disk out of 120GB. |
| 09:37:13 | copper | always, always, always make sure they understand what a Classic really is |
| 09:37:53 | _Bilgus | well its to be expected that a harddrive in a handheld device is just asking for a good jolt |
| 09:38:17 | [Saint] | Eh, kinda. The firmware in the 80 and 120GB disks for the Classic is just garbage. |
| 09:38:57 | _Bilgus | lots of spinning eh? |
| 09:39:02 | [Saint] | I remember being shown a visual map of bad sectors once and you could basically see the head slams. |
| 09:39:47 | [Saint] | My basic understanding is they beat themselves to death. |
| 09:40:07 | _Bilgus | just buy a new one (TM) |
| 09:40:30 | [Saint] | They still go for absolutely obscene prices on eBay et al. |
| 09:40:40 | _Bilgus | its like the APPLE version of the NIKE slogan |
| 09:41:00 | [Saint] | The opportunists got in early when it was announced that iPod platform was depricated. |
| 09:41:14 | [Saint] | They sell for $400~$500 new in my locale. |
| 09:41:21 | [Saint] | IFF you can find one. |
| 09:41:23 | _Bilgus | same with all this old hardware AFAICT |
| 09:41:32 | _Bilgus | crazy |
| 09:41:57 | [Saint] | That's NZD though, so...that's about $0.003 USD |
| 09:42:04 | [Saint] | (lol) |
| 09:43:11 | [Saint] | I kid, I kid, it's about .75 NZD/USD |
| 09:43:25 | [Saint] | I'm entirely bitter about my investment porfolio right now. |
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| 10:13:22 | copper | [Saint]: what? |
| 10:13:29 | copper | are you talking about iPod Classics on eBay? |
| 10:13:38 | copper | they sell for about 150 euros here |
| 10:15:38 | [Saint] | that's still $300 NZD |
| 10:15:41 | [Saint] | is that _new_? |
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| 10:24:04 | copper | no |
| 10:24:38 | copper | 150 euros is 260 NZD, says Google |
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| 10:26:25 | copper | (I meant no, not new: used) |
| 10:31:40 | copper | [Saint]: let me know if you ever want to buy one of those things, I can buy it for you and ship it to you |
| 10:32:39 | wodz | Interesting. ATJ213x bootrom has mode in which it tries to load 1stage loader from SD. The curious thing is that I can't spot sd card initialization. So it looks like it expect card in initialized beforehand. |
| 10:36:20 | _Bilgus | maybe it gets init'd then you do reset? that seems odd.. |
| 10:39:32 | wodz | The code is in bootrom. It is run from cold boot. It first tries to get 1stage loader from raw nand if it failed it tries to load it off SD and if that failed as well it enters usb recovery mode. |
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| 10:40:13 | wodz | I need to study this more |
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| 10:54:33 | RBNB | I'm using it every day and it is just a blast. |
| 10:55:29 | RBNB | There's one more thing, maybe you have an idea: Can we add an area to the WPS, so when I touch it, it will open the dialog "Playback settings - Shuffle Yes/No" immediately? |
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| 11:35:36 | pamaury | wodz: nice, it is likely there is some SD code init somewhere, otherwise it would strange to include that feature |
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| 12:05:15 | wodz | pamaury: I'll dig deeper. The process is painful as each stage loads code to the same buffer so I can't disasm all in one pass |
| 12:05:27 | wodz | pamaury: how is x1 work going? |
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| 12:10:02 | pamaury | wodz: I can't work on it this week, I'm at a workshop abroad and have no free time, I will resume this weekend. But I am annoyed by this MMU problem, it would be very useful to map the DRAM in kuseg but if I can't use big pages this is not possible. |
| 12:10:50 | wodz | pamaury: ah, I understood that initializing from entry 0 solved the problem |
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| 13:01:48 | _Bilgus | Can I check the value of a flag when making a manual entry or is it limited to exists or !exists? |
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| 13:34:35 | jhMikeS | no? |
| 13:34:59 | BFSDBFYSDB | which DESTINATION Code for NW-A35 i must use for USA: U, U2 or U3 ? |
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| 13:47:55 | lukeoftheaura | on my sansa fuze+ on the latest rockbox version, the peak meter on the recording screen doesn't work, nor does the oscilloscope demo |
| 13:48:00 | lukeoftheaura | yet recording works fine |
| 13:51:07 | lukeoftheaura | is this a bug or just some setting I'm missing? |
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| 13:55:45 | _Bilgus | Id say a bug Whats wrong with the oscilloscope though? |
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| 13:55:54 | lukeoftheaura | wait nvm about the oscilloscope |
| 13:56:04 | lukeoftheaura | that works I was just using it wron |
| 13:56:10 | lukeoftheaura | the peakmeter doesn't work though |
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| 13:57:00 | _Bilgus | agreed.. |
| 13:57:47 | lukeoftheaura | wait no, the scope crashes the player |
| 13:58:03 | _Bilgus | oh? |
| 13:58:35 | lukeoftheaura | the oscilloscope seems to crash the player once it's drawn a screenfull of stuff |
| 13:59:30 | _Bilgus | might be related might not is this 3.14 or the latest dev version? |
| 13:59:42 | lukeoftheaura | dev version |
| 13:59:52 | lukeoftheaura | I couldn't see the non-dev one in rockbox utility |
| 13:59:56 | lukeoftheaura | wasn't listed |
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| 14:00:24 | _Bilgus | ok give me a few let me see if its something recent |
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| 14:07:44 | _Bilgus | lukeoftheaura, yes it happens with 3.14 as well peak meter and oscilloscope crashing after a screenfull still not sure if they are related but I'm kinda surprised it was never found before.. |
| 14:12:44 | pamaury | wodz: yes, but stil I'm stuck with 4K pages, despite what the datasheet suggests :-/ |
| 14:13:54 | pamaury | BFSDBFYSDB: you will have to experiment, the destination codes may be documented in the A35 service manual, see https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SonyNW |
| 14:16:33 | BFSDBFYSDB | have anybody the sony nw-a35 walkman? |
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| 14:18:56 | lukeoftheaura | the scope crashes the player but the peakmeter just doesn't display |
| 14:19:05 | lukeoftheaura | _Bilgus |
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| 14:20:44 | _Bilgus | yes, although the oscilloscope works in vertical mode but it doesn't scroll properly Thank you for the report I'll try to figure out whats going on in the oscilloscope first since it crashes the fuze+ |
| 14:25:09 | _Bilgus | Oh I guess vertical works as expected so the issue is in horizontal mode |
| 14:31:32 | lukeoftheaura | I've not tried vertical but horizontal crashes |
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| 15:05:40 | jhMikeS | The Fuze+ lcd driver doesn't properly clip. It won't keep x and y from going negative nor going 1 pixel past the screen width |
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| 15:06:40 | _Bilgus | shouldn't result in a crash only in horiz though should it? |
| 15:07:51 | jhMikeS | it could depending on where it's drawing off screen and how much overdraw |
| 15:08:02 | _Bilgus | If so thats an awfully terrible assumption |
| 15:08:34 | _Bilgus | it looks to be bounded within the plugin so maybe off by 1 but I doubt it |
| 15:08:38 | jhMikeS | It works fine on other targets, so I first suspect the target |
| 15:09:50 | _Bilgus | true.. |
| 15:10:54 | _Bilgus | but it could also be something other than the drawing routine but they seem to share all the code between horiz and vert so you might be on to something |
| 15:12:47 | jhMikeS | I think I've seen it crash before from improper clipping in the lcd but hell if I can recall what it was or when |
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| 15:18:19 | lukeoftheaura | I'll try on vertical, will that help? |
| 15:18:27 | lukeoftheaura | oh wait nvm |
| 15:18:30 | lukeoftheaura | I read the log |
| 15:22:47 | jhMikeS | _Bilgus: plop this in lcd-fuzeplus.c / lcd_update_rect() instead of the MIN/MAX stuff https://pastebin.com/G2QtUxpE |
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| 15:29:12 | _Bilgus | clipping the w/h didn't help |
| 15:32:51 | jhMikeS | what about the x/y? |
| 15:35:20 | _Bilgus | I assume your code did both? |
| 15:36:06 | jhMikeS | it's clip code from other lcd drivers, so yeah |
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| 15:38:21 | jhMikeS | last_pos can be -1 at times so it seemed reasonable to check |
| 15:48:11 | _Bilgus | well its for sure something funky could still be something to do with clipping in the drawing routines I suppose but x seems to be within 240-260 when it happens so i'll keep trying to narrow it down |
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| 15:50:37 | jhMikeS | well, that _is_ outside the display :) |
| 15:56:44 | _Bilgus | strangely adding HZ/10 with splashf makes it work fine :/ |
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| 19:41:22 | _Bilgus | JhMikeS, I've narrowed it down to an overflow of lcd_update_rect() but the current code handles there bounds it properly? |
| 19:42:49 | _Bilgus | it comes in as x = 238 w = 3 which is an overflow of the screen bounds but it is handled by code equivalent to what you pastebinned and is bounded to x = 238 and w = 2 |
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| 20:14:47 | skinkitten | hey |
| 20:15:34 | [Saint] | Good morning. |
| 20:21:22 | skinkitten | https://paste.ubuntu.com/26083211/ |
| 20:21:41 | skinkitten | Good morning (UGT or actual?) |
| 20:22:55 | skinkitten | it's still going |
| 20:23:16 | skinkitten | that was pass 1397 and now its on pass 1410 |
| 20:23:59 | [Saint] | Actual. 0823 here. |
| 20:24:12 | [Saint] | I live in the future. |
| 20:24:41 | skinkitten | haha :) |
| 20:24:49 | [Saint] | Fri Dec 1 08:24:37 NZDT 2017 |
| 20:25:58 | [Saint] | And, yes. As I stated yesterday, this can take a very long time. |
| 20:26:23 | [Saint] | Its comparing each sector with that of its neighbours several times over. |
| 20:26:58 | [Saint] | slowly walking the disk marking bad blocks. |
| 20:27:22 | [Saint] | has it marked any so far? it should say. |
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| 20:45:09 | _Bilgus | @skinkitten ^ |
| 20:51:19 | skinkitten | there are some read errors and a lot more write errors |
| 20:51:31 | skinkitten | write errors : 1061248 |
| 20:51:36 | skinkitten | read errors: 3713 |
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| 21:06:04 | _Bilgus | JhMikeS, Pamaury (logs) g#1751 I guess since 2 is not a multiple of 4 that was giving the lcd controller fits? |
| 21:06:08 | fs-bluebot_ | Gerrit review #1751 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1751 : Fuze PLUS Fix lcd_update_rect() by William Wilgus |
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| 21:43:26 | skinkitten | how do I check which blocks have been marked as bad blocks? |
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| 21:45:13 | jhMikeS | _Bilgus: 2 is a multiple of 4: 4*2^(-1) |
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| 21:47:04 | _Bilgus | Multiples of 4 would be 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28, 32, 36 |
| 21:47:30 | * | jhMikeS was being snarky |
| 21:48:35 | jhMikeS | probaby should still fix that clipping code too even if it's not knowingly causing an issue. |
| 21:50:25 | _Bilgus | the clipping code is just fine it is functionally equivalent except it doesn't bail on w or h == 0 |
| 21:52:35 | jhMikeS | how? if x or y don't get clipped to a minimum of 0? |
| 21:54:41 | jhMikeS | perhaps I'm missing something |
| 21:56:55 | _Bilgus | no you are right I was thinking if x was negative it woult become screen_w - (-x) but the w=MIN(w, screen_w - x) makes that not work |
| 21:57:25 | _Bilgus | so yeah probably a good idea to bound the clipping code |
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| 22:03:12 | jhMikeS | x any y go out of range positve too |
| 22:04:12 | _Bilgus | no they would be bounded by MIN(x, screen_w).. |
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| 22:40:44 | jhMikeS | but the max should LCD_WIDTH-1 and LCD_HEIGHT-1 |
| 22:59:37 | _Bilgus | yeah you are right hmm I better double check that it wasn't just a overflow although i'm not sure how making w a multiple of 4 would have fixed that |
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| 23:03:37 | _Bilgus | no it definitely still crashes if its mod 2 vs mod 4 what a weird error, The manula clearly states it needs to be a multiple of 2 with 16 bit packed pixels and a multiple of 4 with 18 bit pp. Its either actually in 18 bit mode or its so rare that it hasn't made it to the chip errata |
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| 23:17:53 | jhMikeS | actually, LCD_WIDTH/HEIGHT would leave w and h at 0 |
| 23:20:22 | jhMikeS | it looks like a renesas display |
| 23:21:51 | _Bilgus | sounds like greek to me lol whats a renesas display? |
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| 23:28:38 | _Bilgus | I guess V_COUNT has no limitations only H_COUNT |
| 23:34:00 | jhMikeS | this looks like the sort of lcd that should be in a continuous DMA transfer and writes just copy to the framebuffer, like gigabeat-f/s and e200v1 (with lcd-memframe) |
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| 23:38:30 | _Bilgus | it mentioned in the file that it was extremely slow to do so 10MB/s versus 100MB/s |
| 23:41:14 | _Bilgus | oh nm I read that wrong its doing copies to FB its just sending duplicate data ehrn the rect is smaller than the whole screen |
| 23:41:50 | jhMikeS | that's isn't what I"m talking about |
| 23:42:43 | jhMikeS | whatw I mean is that the dma just runs continually as a screen refresh. the copy is done to the in-ram buffer that the controller is reading |
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| 23:44:07 | _Bilgus | like in circular mode and you get interrputs on half full etc? |
| 23:45:21 | jhMikeS | something like that. It auto reloads like a raster. this just looks like it should be set up that way. |
| 23:45:37 | jhMikeS | no interrupts unless you want them |
| 23:47:06 | jhMikeS | 10 MB/s would give about 68 Hz refresh. there might be blanking intervals involved. |
| 23:47:21 | jhMikeS | could be meant to go at 60 |
| 23:49:23 | _Bilgus | it sounds like it kinda does this already If for some |
| 23:49:23 | _Bilgus | reason, the HW_LCDIF_NEXT_BUF_ADDR register was not updated within a frame, the LCDIF will |
| 23:49:23 | _Bilgus | continue transmitting the last frame until a new value is programmed into that register. |
| 23:50:25 | _Bilgus | I'm sure you have a better handle on it than I Low level isn't really my forte |
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