| 00:00:19 | martin_155 | that looks perfect :) |
| 00:01:57 | martin_155 | except of the quotation marks, but who am I to judge, don't even have an account and ask in irc. perfection is overprocessing |
| 00:03:55 | martin_155 | you're awesome |
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| 04:19:37 | _Bilgus | aphirst, the opus code should work as expected now |
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| 11:28:29 | aphirst | _Bilgus, by jove, I think you've cracked it |
| 11:29:31 | aphirst | i will test further and confirm |
| 11:30:10 | aphirst | oh, wait, no |
| 11:30:17 | aphirst | suddenly now the OPUS files fail to play |
| 11:32:21 | aphirst | ah it's more subtle than that |
| 11:32:38 | aphirst | the OPUS files play fine when run from the Database but fail/skip when running from the File menu |
| 11:32:41 | aphirst | the files are on the MIcroSD card |
| 11:32:49 | aphirst | and seemingly all OPUS files are affected |
| 11:33:02 | aphirst | MP3 files are seemingly not affected |
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| 11:34:33 | aphirst | ...it also seems to sometimes do it from the Database menus too but then if I navigate around a bit, it works again |
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| 11:41:08 | aphirst | i don't /think/ it has anything to do with my microSD card but I'll try to reproduce the issue with files stored on internal memory, and I'll also try a different microSD (and then try cleaning my microSD contacts) |
| 11:41:11 | aphirst | just to rule things out |
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| 11:49:10 | aphirst | ok that's hilarious |
| 11:49:56 | aphirst | now if I try to play an OPUS file from cold boot, it fails as do all in the folder, and this keeps happening no matter how I try to play one (Database or File, on microSD or on internal storage) |
| 11:50:10 | aphirst | but then if I play an mp3 (which works) THEN try to play an opus file, it works |
| 11:51:40 | aphirst | this seems to continue to work UNTIL I play another MP3 file |
| 11:52:08 | aphirst | i'm not sure whether it's necessarily playing the file or implicitly replacing the dynamic playlist which is causing it |
| 11:52:59 | aphirst | hmm, it's yet more complex |
| 11:53:17 | aphirst | SOME MP3 files "fix" subsequent OPUS playback |
| 11:53:26 | aphirst | SOME MP3 files "trigger" subsequent OPUS failure |
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| 13:28:13 | aphirst | sorry to be such a bother with this |
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| 13:40:45 | _Bilgus | hmm thats odd |
| 13:42:47 | _Bilgus | aphirst, can you try renaming you rockbox directory .rockbox.old and copying the new build over and try it then |
| 13:43:00 | aphirst | _Bilgus, yes I will do that now |
| 13:44:34 | aphirst | i assume i dont need to repeat the bootloader steps |
| 13:45:29 | aphirst | copied, rebooted, rebuilding database |
| 13:46:03 | aphirst | _Bilgus, same issue, clean boot, OPUS fails to play |
| 13:46:26 | aphirst | pick a random MP3, plays, go back to the OPUS which now works |
| 13:46:45 | _Bilgus | huh what device are you using btw? |
| 13:46:49 | aphirst | clip+ |
| 13:47:09 | _Bilgus | hey at least I can test that easily |
| 13:47:50 | _Bilgus | ok let me whip you up a clip+ logf build and see whats going on |
| 13:47:55 | gevaerts | Some bit of codec memory that isn't initialised properly and that happens to have a not-too-broken value after that mp3 playback? |
| 13:49:50 | _Bilgus | maybe but it should have appeared before |
| 13:50:21 | aphirst | i'm pretty sure the bug was introduced by these recent OPUS related fixes |
| 13:51:25 | _Bilgus | I'm sure it was but the logf will tell us what it is failing on |
| 13:51:34 | aphirst | indeed |
| 13:51:49 | aphirst | ping me once you have the build so i can do some reproduction and then post the logs |
| 13:53:19 | _Bilgus | will do it'll be a few minutes before its done compiling |
| 13:53:26 | aphirst | ofc |
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| 14:16:18 | _Bilgus | aphirst you should be able to copy this over the .rockbox directory you created a bit ago https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tvuv1636uo6oo/ |
| 14:19:30 | aphirst | _Bilgus, copying now |
| 14:19:37 | _Bilgus | this should work but if not after playing a few failing files go to System>Debug>Dump Log File, it should create logf.txt in the .rockbox directory |
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| 14:53:13 | _Bilgus | aphirst did that fix it? |
| 14:53:33 | aphirst | that new build does not seem to exhibit the issue |
| 14:53:40 | aphirst | what else had you changed? |
| 14:53:50 | _Bilgus | good, it was my fault one off error |
| 14:54:37 | _Bilgus | I'll look this over once more and there should be a new build in an hours ish |
| 14:54:48 | aphirst | souper |
| 14:54:54 | aphirst | thanks a lot :3 |
| 14:55:16 | aphirst | i can get back to my pimsleur 日本語 audiobook |
| 14:56:18 | _Bilgus | thanks for testing |
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| 15:28:25 | aphirst | i'll be back in touch if i happen to notice anything else |
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| 17:02:42 | Huntereb | Any recommendations on not-so-expensive rockbox-able devices in 2019? Used or not, don't really care. My Fuze+ really isn't cutting it anymore, the trackpad is just absolutely horrendous, especially in varying temperatures. |
| 17:03:13 | Huntereb | You can buy brand new in-box ipod 5.5's, and swap their tiny HDD's for SD card adapters I've seen, but they're all still rather expensive. |
| 17:03:37 | Huntereb | Not sure if I wanna pull the trigger on something I plan to use in the car. |
| 17:03:51 | Huntereb | ...That's that expensive. |
| 17:16:52 | _Bilgus | Hunterb AgpTek Rocker fits the price range part |
| 17:17:26 | _Bilgus | also you are aware of the sensitivity settings for the fuze+ touchpad? |
| 17:17:28 | aphirst | it's a shame about the current state of the market for these devices |
| 17:18:00 | aphirst | all(?) the supported devices are some combination of old and discontinued and now-expensive |
| 17:19:01 | _Bilgus | not only the sensitivity but you can shrink or enlarge the touch targets |
| 17:20:14 | _Bilgus | aphirst AFAIK the Agptek Rocker is the only current device besides maybe a sony target or two if thats even still true |
| 17:21:13 | Huntereb | _Bilgus yeah, I think you may have been the one that pointed it out to me years ago. i've configured its settings, it just goes crazy if it's cold out and won't let me touch it sometimes. Irritating. |
| 17:21:13 | aphirst | it looks like a cool device but it's not exactly cheap |
| 17:21:28 | aphirst | i wish sandisk would have kept making the clip+ |
| 17:22:10 | Huntereb | If that's a normal thing that can be configured to be fixed, then I'll gladly bring it in and mess with it. Or rip it apart and do something inside if I have to. |
| 17:22:25 | aphirst | the current sansa is the "jam" and i think i remember reading that the hardware is simply too limited for rockbox which is a huge shame |
| 17:24:12 | _Bilgus | I wouldn't even try to rip the thing apart but the touch targets are what turned it from a disappointment to something I can use in the truck though addmittedly I haven't driven my truck this winter so it might be a common issue |
| 17:25:01 | aphirst | i'm shocked there havent been any chinese companies which make hyper-generic players based on what rockbox supports and pump them out for peanuts |
| 17:25:27 | Huntereb | I can go grab it right now. I don't recall messing with "touch targets" so maybe that's a good fix. I very VERY commonly will think I'm touching the right spot on that thing and it will do everything in its power to prevent me from changing songs or navigating the menu. |
| 17:25:47 | _Bilgus | aphirst the rocker is that device |
| 17:25:55 | Huntereb | Gets me close to crashing my car when I have to mess with it |
| 17:25:55 | aphirst | "for peanuts" |
| 17:25:59 | Huntereb | brb |
| 17:26:12 | aphirst | £72 is not peanuts |
| 17:26:27 | _Bilgus | hmm it was $50 last I checked |
| 17:26:36 | aphirst | unless one can buy it super cheap direct from china |
| 17:26:39 | _Bilgus | the benji T6 maybe |
| 17:27:10 | aphirst | ah yeah it's £50 on UK amazon |
| 17:27:58 | aphirst | is the benji T6 also rockbox'd |
| 17:28:00 | aphirst | ? |
| 17:28:17 | _Bilgus | the clip+ was $30 when it was still made |
| 17:28:25 | Huntereb | OK _Bilgus I have it |
| 17:28:35 | aphirst | _Bilgus, indeed but then they stopped |
| 17:28:59 | Huntereb | Do you have a preferred setup that you know works well with it? |
| 17:29:02 | aphirst | it's so frustrating because the requirements for rockbox in 2019 are really really humble and should be hilariously cheap to manufacture |
| 17:29:02 | _Bilgus | pretty sure the Benji T6 is the same device its a bit of tweaking to install but yes AFAIK |
| 17:29:11 | _Bilgus | HunterB brb |
| 17:29:16 | Huntereb | kk |
| 17:29:29 | aphirst | it ought to be something stupid like $2 manufacturing |
| 17:29:38 | aphirst | (large scale) |
| 17:30:36 | aphirst | i dont find either of the ones you mentioned on https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus |
| 17:31:40 | Huntereb | It would also be cool if I could disable everything while I'm in the audio playback screen except for going back to the main menu, and skipping songs |
| 17:32:13 | _Bilgus | hasn't been updated for quite a while |
| 17:32:27 | Huntereb | Very commonly the touchpad will do whatever the hell it wants and will go to the little quick settings screen where I'll accidentally turn off shuffle or whatever |
| 17:32:28 | aphirst | i'm sure i'm not the only one frustrated about the PMP market |
| 17:32:56 | _Bilgus | Hunterb my settings Touchpad Senistivity 13 Deadzone 40 |
| 17:34:06 | Huntereb | Any other advice? Just set it to those settings and it's not functioning any worse so... lol |
| 17:34:07 | _Bilgus | next goto debug>View HW info>Target press select 2x and it will give you a UI of the touchpad |
| 17:35:25 | Huntereb | Seems to be functioning properly right now |
| 17:35:34 | Huntereb | But it's also warm because the sun has been hitting it :P |
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| 17:36:21 | _Bilgus | aslo I added selective keylock and autolock just for this device Settings>General Settings>System>Advanced Keylock Select Enabled then under Settings Select Autolock On and the keys you want active |
| 17:37:04 | _Bilgus | you might try making the sensitivity higher and the deadzone larger as well |
| 17:38:09 | _Bilgus | my device is cold but they are different devices so its not a 1:1 comparison |
| 17:38:17 | Huntereb | Right, right. |
| 17:38:26 | _Bilgus | aphirst no you are not lol |
| 17:38:35 | Huntereb | No way to disable specific things in the music menu? I've configured the advanced keylock already |
| 17:38:47 | Huntereb | Like, primarily the quick settings for shuffle |
| 17:39:15 | Huntereb | Or basically everything else except go back, play/pause, and forward/reverse |
| 17:39:43 | _Bilgus | not without altering the firmware adv keylock is meant to be generic enough for all players |
| 17:39:57 | Huntereb | That sucks |
| 17:40:15 | Huntereb | Touchpads are a menace man |
| 17:40:34 | Huntereb | I'll keep it with the settings you rec'd and see what happens |
| 17:40:37 | _Bilgus | agreed thats why I don't use the damn thing at work |
| 17:40:46 | Huntereb | What do you use? |
| 17:42:12 | _Bilgus | I picked up 5 clip zips when sandisk was getting rid of them I'm down to 1 since the fam loved them so much and I have my clip+ which is my absolute favorite |
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| 17:42:33 | Huntereb | Lucky |
| 17:42:37 | Huntereb | Heard only good things about them |
| 17:43:02 | _Bilgus | they have issues too but... |
| 17:43:11 | Huntereb | >buttons |
| 17:43:41 | _Bilgus | the clipzip really annoys me with its wide buttons but I'd rather destroy it than my clip+ |
| 17:43:55 | Huntereb | That's why I heavily considered an ipod, but also because it seemed like a fun project to rip it apart and install a SD adapter and stuff |
| 17:44:29 | _Bilgus | be aware the sd adaptors have issues with Rb you should probably do ssd |
| 17:44:29 | Huntereb | I need that haptic feedback |
| 17:44:47 | Huntereb | Eh, i'm not gonna throw the money at it |
| 17:44:52 | Huntereb | Just sounded like a fun project |
| 17:45:34 | Huntereb | If I can keep this thing then I will, I don't want to spend money on something that I already have and works. |
| 17:46:00 | _Bilgus | I had a clip+ in my car for 5 years and eventually got a stereo with usb I really am not satisfied with the difference but the equipment is in my truck now |
| 17:46:54 | _Bilgus | If all else fails you could hack a build that suits you for the fuze+ |
| 17:51:38 | _Bilgus | aphirst, dev builds should have opus code in about 70 minutes |
| 17:51:55 | Huntereb | I think a build that would suit me is one that disables the touchpad completely and makes you use only the volume and power buttons lol |
| 17:52:05 | aphirst | _Bilgus, awesome, i'll probably check in the morning |
| 17:53:09 | _Bilgus | np I went through and optimized it a bit its probably a bit slower than originaloly but should be more robust now |
| 17:53:54 | Huntereb | I was about to get an android-powered china headunit and put it in my car, but I wanted to use rockbox so I messed with the stock headunit and routed a cable from under the face of it and under my dash to near my steering wheel, so I can control it right next to where my hands are. |
| 17:54:14 | Huntereb | And of course car mode works wonderfully |
| 17:56:46 | _Bilgus | yep I rewired an old Sony cd player with an audio transformer to give me line out and built a soft on circuit for 5v usb to activate the player its a pretty nice setup but ugly as sin inside the project box since its all home etched circuit boards |
| 17:57:42 | Huntereb | Haha, that sounds much more fun, though |
| 17:58:51 | _Bilgus | that cd player liked to eat cds anyways from day 1 so it was a fitting use for it |
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| 19:06:17 | speachy | Another option is to get your hands on an xDuoo X3 (or X3 II) |
| 19:06:37 | speachy | the former works great, and the latter has an out-of-tree build that suppsoedly works reasonably well |
| 19:07:26 | speachy | the X3's screen is similar to the Clip+, ie a tiny monocoromatic OLED thing. |
| 19:08:29 | speachy | my daily driver is still a Benjie T6, but I expect to swap it with the X3 soonish. Mainly for the vastly better battery life, but sound quality is noticably better too. |
| 19:09:16 | speachy | still have a clip+ with flaky onboard flash, only use it for occasional testing now. Plus a graveyard of old broken units. |
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| 19:11:43 | _Bilgus | speachy can you comment on the agptek benjie entry in the wiki? https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus |
| 19:12:42 | _Bilgus | does the USB work in rockbox, what exactly are the issues backlight versus LCD? if possible is the charging hardware controlled or under Rb control? |
| 19:13:29 | speachy | I can't say I've noticed anything wrong with the backlight, and USB works. Charging is not controlled by rockbox (either hardware or via the underlying Linux system) |
| 19:13:35 | _Bilgus | I should probably buy one so I can dev it but my collection really doesn't need competition |
| 19:13:47 | speachy | USB works fine, although rockbox can't tell between USB power and a proper USB connection. |
| 19:14:15 | speachy | should probably add a note that Rocker == T6 |
| 19:15:23 | _Bilgus | ok I'll update it, I was holding out on the T6 since there is some extra hoops to install it |
| 19:16:45 | speachy | lastest production FW has extra hoops, yeah |
| 19:17:17 | speachy | And AGPTek actually "ships" an image with the rockbox "bootloader" now. |
| 19:18:57 | speachy | I'm disappointed in the Rocker/T6, over things we could trivially fix had we source code for its Linux kernel... |
| 19:20:02 | _Bilgus | there: https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus |
| 19:20:50 | _Bilgus | yeah I love how they are profiting from Rockbox but refuse to follow the GPL and release sources so it could be something spectacular |
| 19:21:24 | speachy | If the "LCD off" isn't working properly on some units, that's also hidden from us by the kernel. |
| 19:21:52 | _Bilgus | maybe there should be a popup at startup along those lines ;P |
| 19:24:06 | * | speachy isn't adverse to such behavior... |
| 19:24:29 | speachy | AGPTek did claim, once upon a time, they were building this thing specifically with Rockbox in mind. |
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| 19:36:15 | _Bilgus | It doesn't really fit the Rb ethos to act as such if anything we should be happy they created a device capable of running Rockbox at all |
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| 19:37:33 | _Bilgus | Figure all the other devices had to be reverse engineered to get to such a point the same will have to be done with the Rocker before it ever gets to Stable |
| 19:39:20 | _Bilgus | now if they could create a device that fits the clip+ form factor and can run Rb all will be well in the world at least as far as DAPs are concerned :p |
| 19:52:32 | bleb | anyone have advice which firmware to use for installing rockbox on a fuze v1? |
| 19:53:05 | bleb | (the installer says you have to find the original firmware yourself for legal reasons) |
| 19:53:24 | bleb | i found this forum thread but not sure if it's the right place, or which version to download https://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Sansa-Fuze/Sansa-Fuze-Firmware-Update-01-02-31-amp-02-03-33/td-p/139175 |
| 19:53:50 | _Bilgus | the most up to date version should work |
| 19:54:15 | _Bilgus | the installer will tell you if it isn't compatible and in that case try an older one |
| 19:54:15 | bleb | cool thanks |
| 19:54:46 | bleb | i am always wary that a new firmware will have added handcuffs and prevent rockbox from working |
| 19:56:03 | _Bilgus | Nah, not to mention on most of the sansas we compress the FW and put ours along side it so newer firmwre usually has a bit more space to play with |
| 19:57:03 | bleb | cool |
| 19:57:13 | bleb | and how would i tell which revision my fuze is? |
| 19:57:39 | bleb | i always thought it was a fuze v1 (it looks like the original version) but it looks like "revision 2" might have been a chip upgrade without a change in appearance |
| 19:57:41 | _Bilgus | as in the current fw version or V1 vs V2? |
| 19:57:52 | speachy | the sticker on the back |
| 19:57:58 | speachy | tht says the fw version |
| 19:58:04 | speachy | v2 is 2.xxxx, v1 is 1.xxx |
| 19:58:11 | speachy | or see it from within the system |
| 19:58:31 | speachy | IIRC the v1 was shipped in 2/4gb but v2 was 4/8gb |
| 19:58:39 | bleb | speachy: the back of my sansa is bare metal because it had this weird sticky black coating when i got it |
| 19:58:46 | _Bilgus | https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaFuze#How_to_find_out_if_you_have_a_Fuze_V1_or_V2 |
| 19:58:48 | bleb | so i stripped it with rubbing alcohol :o |
| 19:59:08 | speachy | yeah, the rubberish stuff disintegrates over time. |
| 19:59:21 | _Bilgus | if you look at the menus in the OF there should be a version in there |
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| 20:01:12 | _Bilgus | if you have a v2 you might want to see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51844.0.html and install the multiboot bootloader |
| 20:07:15 | bleb | yeah found it in the menus, its v2 |
| 20:07:38 | bleb | _Bilgus: is the idea there that you could download an update and try it without replacing your current version? |
| 20:11:52 | bleb | anything in particular i'm supposed to do after the install says it's 100% done |
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| 20:26:00 | speachy | doesn't appear as if there's a sane way to handle USB power vs something else. |
| 20:26:16 | speachy | at least not in the Linux/Android USB subsystem. |
| 20:27:35 | speachy | basically we handle the insertion, but it's up to the system to decide what to do. Rockbox would need a preference setting or a UI popup to decide whether or not to enable device enumeration to the host. |
| 20:27:51 | speachy | right now we always do, unless select is held down. |
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