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07:02:46BilgusSome devices use a hardware hold switch IDR if that includes the IPOD video
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07:35:22BilgusLonoxmont I swear someone else had that issue with the 6G and it was already fixed
07:37:17Bilgushttp://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/1181/ maybe it had/has issues
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18:35:09Bilgusyoook Assuming you read this I set it up to autolock after the first lock so no one got confused on how to unlock their player I'm not adverse to different behavior but I fear it might confuse people
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19:37:50LonoxmontBilgus: my ipod video has a hardware switch to slide for holding, i would presume that means it has it in hardware but not 100% sure
19:39:00Lonoxmonti have seen the rockbox firmware bug out a little when playing with it, sometimes screen doesnt deactivate, backlight weirdness etc
19:39:12Lonoxmontso it might be a hardware switch with a software implementation
19:39:15Bilgusthe other option is to set up a software hold switch combo and bypass that but either way you'd need a device to test
19:40:18Lonoxmontwell i mean, i have my ipod video right here :P
19:41:39Lonoxmontwilling to use it as guinea pig
19:42:36Lonoxmontwould prefer not to have to reformat it and have to transfer back all my music again
19:42:52Lonoxmonteven in native firmware disk mode its not really that quick at moving data
19:43:21Lonoxmontoh, another weird issue it has is loading playlists
19:43:40Lonoxmontif i tell it to add all my music sequentially to the playlist, the resulting file loads pretty quickly
19:44:04Lonoxmontif i do insert shuffled, that operation is fast, but subsequent loading of the file (after powering off, for example) takes a minute or two sometimes
19:46:29Bilgusthe playlist system is kinda funny from a base playlist it saves the changes not the actual playlist
19:47:05Bilgusif taht makes sense say you add 10 songs it just appends them to the end it doesn't actually insert them
19:49:40Lonoxmontyeah that makes sense, but starting from a blank empty playlist it is kinda odd that the initial shuffle append goes really fast and then loading it again takes a few minutes sometimes
19:50:22Bilgustry your adding your shuffle playlist to a new playlist
19:50:24Lonoxmontis there a better way i should be doing it?
19:51:22Lonoxmontso take the current playlist and add it sequentially to a new playlist, then try and load that?
19:51:29BilgusI don't remember if that makes it generate a proper playlist or just coppies the pseudo stuff but I think it'll be the former
19:51:57Bilgusyeah take the hit initially so the device doesn't have to apply changes
19:58:09Lonoxmontnot that much faster so far
19:58:38Lonoxmonti might be laoding it wrong, what i did was hit the context menu on the playlist i just dumped from the one i had loaded before and hit insert
19:58:54Lonoxmontlet me reboot and try and have it resume and see what it does
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20:00:00Bilgusit might just copy the changes instead of copying the actual playlist its been a while since I've looked at the playlist code
20:00:15Lonoxmontyeah resuming from that is a lot faster now
20:00:32Lonoxmontthen again im now at the head of the list instead of a chunk of the way down through it
20:00:42Lonoxmontlet me skip ahead and load from that
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20:06:24Lonoxmontlittle bit slower this time but nowhere enar where it was
20:06:37Lonoxmontit was taking almost a minute or two to load up and start playing again
20:06:48Lonoxmontnow its back down to a few seconds, which i can live with
20:07:06Lonoxmontwill keep an eye on it and see how it does and if it degrades again
20:07:31Lonoxmonti guess i should probably also mention this playlist is over 10k songs long, i had to increase the limit to add all my music at once
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20:11:20Lonoxmontim about 3k songs into it
20:12:35Lonoxmontnot sure but i might have hit reshuffle on the previous dynamic playlist it was using
20:12:52Lonoxmontthat might be part of why it took so long to load going off what you said about how it stores playlists
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20:13:54Lonoxmontalso the previous playlist wasnt actually saved anywhere, it was jsut the unnamed dynamic one
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20:14:10Lonoxmontso idk if it handles named proper playlists differently or not
20:15:05LonoxmontBilgus: thanks for the assist
20:16:09BilgusIIRC the dynamic ones get saved at poweroff
20:16:29Bilgusbut it still saves the actions done to it
20:16:39Bilgusnot the actual songs
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20:32:15Lonoxmontweird
20:32:31Lonoxmontany reason why you would do that instead of just flushiong the changes to the file?
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22:18:34Bilgusvestiges of harddrive based players
22:19:15yoookBilgus: for me the confusion was the other way around: why do I have to enable the autolock again with the lock combo, when I have already enabled it in the settings menu. Also I find the 3-state-lock ("autolock enabled but unlocked", "locked", "unlocked without autolock") quite confusing. In the end I was disabling the autolock completely because,
22:19:15yoookwhen I had to press the hold combo anyway, than I could directly enable hold right away.
22:20:04Bilgussure the first time but after one unlock it locks automatically the next time
22:20:21bertrikthe rockbox playlist logic confuses me a bit too
22:20:55BilgusI'm not adverse to the way you are saying but we discussed it quite a bit in IRC and this is what the consensus was
22:22:12yoookInteresting, I never noticed, because I don't need to unlock it again:-). I usually hear podcasts that typically run for hour(s). All I need to do is play/pause/volume up/down, which I can do in locked state, thanks to Advanced Key Lock.
22:22:38Bilgusalbeit it was only like 6 people so not any substantial percent of the user base but you know thats the beauty of open source
22:23:16Bilgusthe Fuze+ is what originally prompted me to make it but it is nice on my clip+ and clipzip too
22:26:48yoookhm. when I'm the only one who is interested in this change, than I can just patch my private build.
22:27:30Bilgussure but thats how most things started
22:28:04superluig164Hey, do y'all know where I should go to help contribute to docking information for the iPod Photo? I have one and I also have an iPod HiFi and I want to help contribute, even though I'm not a (good) programmer
22:28:33Bilgusget it cleaned up (along with the manual entries :) ) and throw the patch up on gerrit
22:29:11superluig164I have no idea how to do that, I'm sorry
22:29:13Bilgussuperluig164, I normally put stuff on the forum that I discover
22:29:28Bilgusthat was for yoook
22:29:31superluig164Gotcha
22:29:32superluig164Sorry
22:29:47superluig164So should I make a forum post?
22:30:29yoookok, I'll try to get it ready in the next days.
22:30:39Bilgusas far as the Ipod AFAIK the only dev even messing with IPODs atm is builtin and I'm not sure which devices he has possibly only the 6G
22:31:35superluig164Maybe I should just.. learn to code and contribute that way lmao
22:31:40Bilgusyes probably a forum post in HARDWARE there might already be one started
22:31:47superluig164I'll take a look
22:31:48superluig164Thank you
22:32:06Bilguswe would welcome you we really need more devs
22:32:50superluig164Good to know
22:32:56superluig164Sounds like I should get my ass in gear
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