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01:28:16 | __builtin | I haven't had time to investigate iflash recently |
01:28:56 | __builtin | I got some testing done with the SD adapter and couldn't reproduce the described issues |
01:29:12 | __builtin | I'll probably try mSATA whenever I get around to it |
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06:24:49 | Loeb | Lonoxmont, progress has been made |
06:26:17 | Loeb | 4th gen: the corruption when reading from a different source than writing is only present with my Sandisk Extreme Pros. I have some Sandisk Ultras that are weirdly unstable (can boot OF or rockbox, but weird things like trying to change font consistently crashes) as well, but my samsung evo select and lexar nosurname both work fine |
06:26:36 | Loeb | The sandisk cards are 512 and 128 respectively, the samsung is 256, lexar 512. So it's not size related. |
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06:27:38 | Loeb | As for the 5th gen unicode issues, I got unicode corruption when I loaded music via windows and opened the storage device on linux. Unicode characters were displayed as "?", which upon a bit of research seems to be related to how fat stores unicode and extra characters in filenames. |
06:28:05 | Loeb | Curiously, this is NOT present on the 5th gen ipod. So I think the 5.5 is doing something different with character encoding that the 5th gen does not. |
06:28:50 | Loeb | Note that in order to read the 2048 byte sector formatted 5.5g SD card, which presents itself as a 512 byte sector device, I had to manually mount the fat partition. |
06:29:15 | Loeb | `mount /dev/sdX /mnt/ipod -t vfat -o offset=131604480` |
06:29:28 | Loeb | Note I'm mounting sdX not sdX2 |
06:29:48 | Loeb | I do not know of a way to mount the storage device directly under windows due to the sector differences mentioned above. |
06:31:11 | Loeb | I think I'll end up making a thread on the forums about the 5.5g issues. For the time being I'm going to try swapping the screen of my 5.5 into the 5g chassis. |
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07:04:12 | Loeb | aaaand I solved that issue with the 5.5g too |
07:04:19 | Loeb | I needed to add `iocharset=utf8` |
07:05:32 | Loeb | There's still a bit of a delay to some things that I don't think was present with the 5.5g.... |
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16:22:12 | Loeb | Is it possible to have the 4th gen boot directly into rockbox via ipodpatcher? I'm just trying to avoid having to restore the ipod because I had the wrong firmware on the disk before loading 200+gb of music to it |
16:34:22 | chillmaster | __builtin: thanks for the reply. I think I'll go with the SD adapter then. |
16:35:19 | __builtin | I've only been experimenting with a single 8 GB SD card, but I suspect behavior will differ among cards |
16:35:48 | chillmaster | makes somewhat sense |
16:35:56 | chillmaster | but so far I'll leave it as is |
16:36:22 | chillmaster | I'm in the process of redoing all my tech/server infrastructure and then need to reorganize my music library first |
16:36:46 | Loeb | What was the post about SD cards? I've been doing a lot of SD card testing lately |
16:36:47 | chillmaster | been slacking for the last few years, that's my priority atm |
16:38:20 | Loeb | oh nevermind there are logs on the site |
16:38:50 | chillmaster | >not having a bouncer or irssi/weechat + tmux/screen session |
16:39:08 | Loeb | I only use IRC when I need tech support lol |
16:39:31 | chillmaster | irc makes up 80% of my social life outside of work |
16:39:59 | Loeb | I feel that, just different platforms. I'm not old enough for IRC |
16:40:19 | Loeb | ok so this is still the ATA issue. I still haven't read/encountered that. |
16:42:34 | Loeb | I've been messing around with an iflash SD adapter on 5/5.5/6g and the issues I've had were related to the 6th's gen LBA limitation (trying to workaround that in rockbox currenly) and the 5.5's weird sector size in relation to using the SD card outside the ipod which I've already wrote about here |
16:43:05 | Loeb | I need to do some more testing but generally the iflash is happy with whatever I throw at it, vs the CF adapter I use for my 4th which hates sandisk cards for some reason |
16:44:13 | chillmaster | Loeb: do you have any trouble with RB on the 6g? |
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16:46:55 | Loeb | The first time I tried to install it, I couldn't get it to work. But I tried again last night and it worked just fine. |
16:47:20 | Loeb | I haven't used it much, I don't like how the 6g works, but in my limited testing it's worked just fine. |
16:50:20 | Loeb | It is worth noting that on the 6th gen it puts the bootloader directly on the device, I haven't tried to boot back into the OF but I'm not sure if it's possible on the 6g like it is on other models. |
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16:51:30 | chillmaster | lol, haven't tried that either |
16:51:32 | chillmaster | one sec |
16:51:57 | chillmaster | boots fine into OF |
16:52:07 | Loeb | oh cool |
16:52:11 | Loeb | Just have to turn on hold? |
16:52:38 | chillmaster | nah, I just put the lock slider into the locking position once it booted |
16:52:47 | Loeb | Yeah that's what I meant |
16:52:59 | chillmaster | there's some key combo, too |
16:53:05 | chillmaster | but i'd have to look it up |
16:53:08 | Loeb | select+menu |
16:53:12 | Loeb | I think |
16:53:20 | Loeb | or might be just menu |
16:53:33 | chillmaster | i think just menu, select menu would put it into DFU eventuallz |
16:53:39 | Loeb | yup |
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17:32:38 | Lonoxmont | Loeb: strange, on my ipod it has an actual msdos disklabel |
17:32:52 | Lonoxmont | did you format from a windows or a mac? |
17:33:32 | Loeb | Lonoxmont, more context? |
17:33:55 | Lonoxmont | as far as having to mount the device directly with an offset |
17:34:08 | Loeb | That only happens with the 5.5G because of the 2048 byte sectors |
17:34:14 | Lonoxmont | uh |
17:34:16 | Lonoxmont | no? |
17:34:32 | Loeb | Unless your SD card shows as having 2048 byte sectors as well |
17:34:34 | Lonoxmont | source: i have a 5.5g with 2048 sector size and it still has the correct mbr |
17:34:50 | Loeb | And you're taking the SD card out of the ipod and attaching it directly to the PC? |
17:34:53 | Lonoxmont | ohhh |
17:34:57 | Loeb | Yes :p |
17:34:59 | Lonoxmont | yeah thats where the difference is |
17:35:11 | Lonoxmont | i just run it via the ipod |
17:35:20 | Lonoxmont | and let it take however long it takes to copy over |
17:35:34 | Loeb | Yeah I'm not about that life |
17:35:34 | Lonoxmont | i cant take mine out because its 4 sd cards in a jbod |
17:35:50 | Loeb | Fair. I think it's possible to replicate the jbod in linux but it'd be a chore. |
17:36:04 | Lonoxmont | yeah |
17:36:13 | Lonoxmont | and it was sketchy enough getting everything to work in the first place |
17:36:23 | Lonoxmont | i dont think i would risk taking them back out unless one failed or something :B |
17:36:41 | Loeb | With my limited testing it LOOKS like the first card has the table/mbr/etc and the other drives are just extended byte space or whatever the technical term for that is |
17:37:07 | Lonoxmont | yeah iirc thats what jbod is supposed to do |
17:37:14 | Lonoxmont | one ends it flows onto the next one |
17:37:48 | Lonoxmont | idk how fat32 does as far as spreading things out |
17:37:59 | Lonoxmont | its probably got the secondary fat near the end of the volume |
17:38:19 | Loeb | Yeah so replicating that in linux with mdadm should be possible. |
17:38:22 | Loeb | No clue about fat32 |
17:38:36 | Lonoxmont | so if you make a bunch of changes to the first one where the primary fat lives it might cause some fun times when it sees theres major discrepancy between the two fats |
17:38:57 | Loeb | In theory there's only one fat |
17:39:05 | Lonoxmont | one /active/ fat |
17:39:12 | Lonoxmont | theres two for redundancy |
17:39:18 | Loeb | The table on the first drive just thinks it extends for X bytes and those bytes might address a different physical card |
17:39:20 | Lonoxmont | idk how often it syncs them |
17:39:42 | Loeb | The only two partitions normally are the fat and the blank space for the apple firmware no? |
17:39:53 | Lonoxmont | fat =/= partition |
17:40:26 | Lonoxmont | fat is File Allocation Table, and in most FAT12/16/32 volumes, by default two are created at format time |
17:40:43 | Lonoxmont | one near the beginning of the volume, one closer tot he end |
17:40:47 | Loeb | ah |
17:41:11 | Lonoxmont | that way if the primary FAT gets mangled, it can try and rebuild it off the secondary FAT |
17:42:17 | Lonoxmont | idk how exFAT works, i know ms finally released the spec for it but i havent seen any good writeups on it yet |
17:42:27 | Lonoxmont | but i would imagine its much the same |
17:42:31 | Loeb | does rb even support exFAT? |
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18:19:55 | Lonoxmont | nope afaik |
18:20:19 | Lonoxmont | the ipod itself supports fat32 and hfs+ i think |
18:20:30 | Lonoxmont | depending on whether you formatted it on a mac or a windows |
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20:12:30 | Loeb | So, the max playlist length option is 32k |
20:12:37 | Loeb | What if I want to go further than that? |
20:21:11 | Lonoxmont | probably have to patch the code and compile a custom build |
20:21:20 | Lonoxmont | there might be a reason it makes out there though |
20:21:23 | Lonoxmont | maxes |
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20:28:04 | Loeb | I mean probably, but I want to find out why :) |
20:28:10 | Loeb | And if not, I'm gonna shuffle 100k songs |
20:28:30 | Lonoxmont | nice |
20:28:56 | Lonoxmont | i think ive got around 11k on my ipod |
20:30:20 | Loeb | Oh I have to go out of my way to produce 100k songs to put on there but |
20:30:26 | Bilgus | https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/master/apps/settings_list.c#L1025 |
20:30:28 | Loeb | I just wanna see what it'll do |
20:30:43 | Loeb | Bilgus, thanks! |
20:30:49 | Loeb | Now I get to learn how to compile rockbox tonight |
20:30:51 | Bilgus | pretty sure its an arbitrary limit |
20:31:28 | Bilgus | you might be able to just change it in the config file too |
20:31:52 | Bilgus | i'd try that first I don't know if its checked for validity on load |
20:31:54 | Loeb | I haven't actually looked... |
20:32:11 | Loeb | How would I verify what it's set to if I feed it a value outside of the intended range? |
20:32:25 | Loeb | Other than like, y'know, loading a playlist with 100k songs or w/e |
20:35:10 | Bilgus | pretty much that lokl |
20:36:16 | Loeb | Guess I'm loading that folder in when I get home lol |
20:36:37 | Loeb | Also while I'm thinking about it, is there any way to build rockbox's database on a PC and load it in vs doing it on the device? |
20:36:41 | Loeb | For speed reasons obvs |
20:37:57 | Bilgus | yes but i'm not familar with it |
20:38:21 | Bilgus | I'm sure its on the forum / wiki or one of the ipod guys know |
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20:44:47 | Loeb | Looks like someone already wrote something up in python, dope. |
20:48:10 | Lonoxmont | Loeb: good luck getting the toolchain to compile |
20:48:18 | Lonoxmont | i had a bear of a time doing it |
20:48:37 | Loeb | The config file is editable, I'm going to find out when I get home if that's adequate |
20:48:37 | Lonoxmont | eventually got it to work on cygwin after editing some definitions file somewhere |
20:48:47 | Lonoxmont | dirty hack but it worked |
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20:55:11 | Bilgus | I'd recommend downloading the VM esp for windows users |
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20:57:58 | Loeb | I run linux straight up, which can help or hurt |
20:58:05 | Loeb | running outdated toolchains...yeahhhh |
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21:00:05 | Renebox | Hello rockbox-people! I'm new to the rockbox thing and am optimistic! Hope I don't interrupt some discussion. May I ask for a little support? I can also wait for the current discussion to be resolved, of course! I just acquired a Sony nwz-e838. |
21:00:05 | Renebox | Big thanks to everyone involved in the project anyway! Awesome! |
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21:00:13 | Lonoxmont | i mena ideally there would be enough people doing dev work to keep everything up to date with latest toolchains and so on |
21:00:34 | Lonoxmont | but theres only so much resources available |
21:00:55 | Lonoxmont | if i knew enough about maintaining toolchains id do it myself because using outdated stuff bugs me lol |
21:05:08 | Bilgus | Renebox whats your question |
21:05:36 | Renebox | I just put my problem out there: the bootloader for above mentioned Sony nwz-e383 is not at the specified spot on Dropbox, I always get 404. |
21:06:52 | Renebox | The same by the way at least for nwz-e370 |
21:07:02 | Bilgus | whats the address of the page you are finding the link on? |
21:07:14 | Renebox | Just a second |
21:07:39 | Renebox | Directly from rockbox.org. I send the exact link in a second |
21:09:11 | Renebox | https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ImxInstall |
21:09:11 | Renebox | In the section prebuilt bootloaders |
21:10:07 | Bilgus | Pretty sure thats pamaurys link let me see if I can find it elsewhere |
21:11:23 | Renebox | Alright, thanks for looking! |
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21:13:45 | Bilgus | Yeah I don't have it backed up on my pc you will either have to get it from someone who has the player or hope Pamaury updates the link I saw him a few weeks ago but he isn't frequently here anymore |
21:15:45 | Bilgus | I'd post on the forum your issue or compile it yourself |
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21:16:39 | Bilgus | Does RbUtility show your device? |
21:17:52 | Bilgus | Renebox if rbutil supports the device you wouldn't need those files |
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21:25:06 | Loeb | they timed out |
21:25:07 | Loeb | rip |
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21:32:38 | CCF_100 | Hello, I have an iPod Classic 5G (iPod Video) and I'm attempting to upgrade it with a compact flash card (32 GB), however, the iPod recognises it as a 60 GB HDD, and when I try to access it in Disk Mode, the device throws I/O errors. I use Arch Linux. |
21:34:02 | CCF_100 | It already had Rockbox installed on it if that makes a difference... |
21:38:01 | Loeb | Do you have other CF cards you can try? |
21:38:32 | CCF_100 | I believe the only other one is a 1-2 GB card, I'm gonna see what it does... |
21:38:58 | Loeb | Generally my workflow for flash storage is Install > iTunes restore > Rockbox. You can always make the partitions manually |
21:39:45 | CCF_100 | It's a 4GB card actually |
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21:43:08 | Loeb | wb Renebox |
21:43:10 | Renebox | Alright, thank you. I already started registering for the forum, though I don't seem to receive the confirmation link (I also checked spam folder). So I guess I'll try compiling. That's easy, right? |
21:43:57 | Renebox | Loeb: server disconnected me. Today the computers are not my allies :D |
21:44:22 | Bilgus | <Bilgus> Does RbUtility show your device? |
21:44:22 | Bilgus | <Bilgus> Renebox if rbutil supports the device you wouldn't need those files |
21:46:53 | Renebox | Well, on this page https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ImxInstall it says only the Sansa fuze+ is supported... But I guess that's not totally accurate, is it? |
21:50:53 | Renebox | Does not look like Sony devices are supported. Downloaded it and there's a list of producing companies, Sony is not listed. |
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21:58:44 | CCF_100 | I put the original HDD back in and it still thinks it's a 60 GB hdd... |
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22:02:54 | CCF_100 | So weird... |
22:04:38 | Loeb | Did you reset the ipod between switching the storage? |
22:05:13 | CCF_100 | MENU + SELECT? yes... |
22:05:52 | Renebox | Compiling looks complicated... But even if I'd wanted to try, I seem to require a copy of the firmware which in turn is supposed to be found on Dropbox, but isn't there. I hope the forum is just working slowly or that I need to wait for someone to click 'confirm' for me to be able to register. Today there appears to be no point in expecting any more progress. Thanks for trying to help nevertheless! I hope I can reach pamaury somehow |
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