| 00:00:43 | ry755 | Hey, so I have one of those weird iPod first gens that reports the revision as 0xffffff which makes the scroll wheel not work. I've seen a few patches that fix that issue, but none of them ever got merged. Is there a reason for that? |
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| 00:10:13 | speachy | only thing that came to mind is that it might have caused a regression elsewhere (or there wasn't anyone willing/able to make sure it didn't) |
| 00:10:18 | speachy | can you point me at one of those patches? |
| 00:14:00 | ry755 | https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8745 and https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8778 |
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| 00:14:37 | speachy | man, this gcc9 thing is a mess. |
| 00:14:56 | speachy | will probably require touching a lot of files to fix up typedef includes |
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| 00:28:04 | speachy | if you're feeling brave: http://www.shaftnet.org/~pizza/rockbox-ipod6g-gcc921.zip |
| 00:31:53 | __builtin | will try |
| 00:32:07 | * | __builtin has run plenty of questionable code on his devices |
| 00:32:34 | speachy | huh, wouldn't you know it but the ipod6g was one of the two cpu families that needed the headers fixed up for the typedefs. the rest were okay. |
| 00:32:54 | __builtin | freezes on the boot splash |
| 00:33:24 | speachy | that was built with -Os |
| 00:34:31 | speachy | and that's the simple answer to Wei about "why stop at 4.9.4?" :) |
| 00:35:09 | __builtin | "Our code sucks" |
| 00:35:31 | __builtin | "Especially SDL" |
| 00:35:41 | speachy | nah, boot splash hang has nothign to do with SDL. |
| 00:36:08 | * | __builtin knows |
| 00:43:39 | speachy | we have a lot of "legacy" code that predates newfangled "standards" |
| 00:44:39 | __builtin | upping gcc is a good way to force us to clean things up though :) |
| 00:45:55 | speachy | too bad I don't have a conveninet gcc>4 mips toolchain lying around, then I could at least eat my own dogfood. |
| 00:46:57 | speachy | http://www.shaftnet.org/~pizza/rockbox-ipod6g-gcc921-b.zip |
| 00:47:08 | speachy | this is back to normal -O and without -funit-at-a-time |
| 00:47:16 | __builtin | Will rockboxdev.sh choke on >4.x? |
| 00:47:48 | speachy | only one way to find out. :) |
| 00:48:24 | speachy | (I vaguely recall building a newer mips toolchain a year ago but I may be misremembering things) |
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| 00:51:03 | speachy | what makes fixing rockbox so perilous is that, well, debugging is challenging, and what few developers remain don't have access to most of the "supported" targets |
| 00:52:22 | speachy | and it's hard to justify working on something that hasn't been commercially available for 15 years and whose design life expectency was 2-3 years tops. |
| 00:55:50 | koniu | heya, sansa zip here - im getting lots of data aborts and other weirdness, i think internal flash is dying |
| 00:56:05 | koniu | is there any way to boot rockbox from the sd card? |
| 00:56:23 | koniu | and most importantly .playlist_control file on the sd |
| 00:59:40 | speachy | I recall thre being an experimental bootloader that would allow .rockbox to live on the SD card |
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| 01:01:03 | speachy | you should ask _Bilgus, I believe that as his baby. |
| 01:09:45 | koniu | ooh, i see this https://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2019-11/0016.shtml and http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=51844.0 now |
| 01:10:48 | koniu | but this is from november'19, whilst rbutil is downloading from here http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/clipzip/ and that's dated august'19 |
| 01:10:53 | koniu | do i need to go manual? |
| 01:13:58 | __builtin | speachy: yeah, I'd love some sort of on-target debug functionality |
| 01:18:25 | Lonoxmont | koniu: sounds like it |
| 01:18:54 | __builtin | hmm... apparently the ipod6g's got a serial |
| 01:19:40 | speachy | yeah, part of the classic ipod connector |
| 01:20:08 | speachy | hmm. wonder if someone's builder got stuck. |
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| 01:21:10 | __builtin | I wonder if I can't get a remote gdb stub running |
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| 01:22:03 | speachy | I have an ipod video here but I think it needs both a new battery and mass storage, and even then it's not certain to come to life. |
| 01:23:45 | __builtin | batteries are fairly cheap for the ipods iirc |
| 01:23:48 | __builtin | around $15 |
| 01:25:22 | speachy | I was given this thing (eight years ago!) because it "stopped working". might be worth investing in a CF adapter since I have a few of those floating around still, and they're a lot less finiky than the SD converters |
| 01:25:54 | * | __builtin has been meaning to investigate the iflash adapters |
| 01:26:19 | __builtin | I remember I had a hard time inducing corruption on the SD ones, but I haven't tried the mSATA one |
| 01:26:20 | speachy | but I don't even have a system capable of running itunes to bootstrap the player to the point where rbutil can do something useful. |
| 01:27:02 | __builtin | you can install itunes completely without itunes, I'm pretty sure |
| 01:27:08 | __builtin | on the ipod6g at least |
| 01:28:26 | koniu | zomg i think i managed it (was missing /sd/rockbox_main.clipzip), no more file not found when removing /flash/.rockbox |
| 01:28:33 | koniu | now lets see how this fares |
| 01:28:37 | __builtin | hmm... according to one of pamaury's old forum posts, the serial driver has bidirectional support |
| 01:29:01 | __builtin | so I *might* be able to pull something off, even if it's god awfully ugly |
| 01:29:17 | speachy | yeah, the serial port is how the original IAP worked |
| 01:30:43 | speachy | hmm. found the cable, a spare (but also possibly dead) drive and a replacement battery I picked up... but not the player itself. |
| 01:32:34 | * | __builtin isn't sure how much hardware support remote gdb needs |
| 01:32:51 | speachy | this box contains three dead fuzev1, one dead fuzev2, flaky clip+, AGPTek Rocker (cracked case), an iPod Touch, a Fiio X1, and a spare xDuoo X3. |
| 01:33:17 | speachy | wonder what happened to the iPod video. hope it didnt' get lost in the move. |
| 01:35:29 | __builtin | ah, we have gdb stubs in-tree! |
| 01:35:40 | speachy | for native targets? |
| 01:35:51 | __builtin | yeah, rockbox/gdb |
| 01:35:54 | Lonoxmont | speachy: ive done the iflash adapter and new battery for my ipod video |
| 01:36:04 | Lonoxmont | works good once you get it going |
| 01:36:21 | Lonoxmont | i would avoid the msata i hear they run dummy hot and use a ton of power all the time for no reason |
| 01:36:22 | __builtin | looks like it hasn't been touched in years, so it's probably bitrotted like crazy |
| 01:36:31 | cockroach | speachy: I recently installed rockbox on an ipod video from scratch without itunes. it can be done but it's a bit tricky. |
| 01:36:48 | Lonoxmont | cockroach: can you document that somewhere? would be good to know how to do it |
| 01:37:03 | speachy | cockroach: it's probably a moot point since mine seems to have disappeared on me.. |
| 01:37:12 | cockroach | Lonoxmont: I did, but in a strange language: https://www.ott.net/mach/rockbox-ipod-video/index.html |
| 01:37:39 | cockroach | Lonoxmont: I might be able to translate it to something useful if you think that others might care |
| 01:37:48 | cockroach | speachy: oh, that's unfortunate |
| 01:39:08 | speachy | the one I'm most interested in pushing forward is the native Fiio X1 port. pauiry was working on it but that was a couple of years ago now, and the mips tree has changed enough such that the port would probably need to be re-implemented. |
| 01:39:32 | speachy | but like everything else.. need time. |
| 01:42:12 | speachy | __builtin, given that the README talks about the Jukebox, yeah... |
| 01:43:31 | Lonoxmont | cockroach: google translate mostly works on the text, but doesnt help the images any |
| 01:43:49 | Lonoxmont | if you can an english version would be nice |
| 01:50:07 | cockroach | Lonoxmont: sure, I'll do that. where would I put it though? forums? |
| 01:50:27 | Lonoxmont | maybe have one of the admins here stick it in the wiki? |
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| 01:51:15 | Lonoxmont | also given the name of the firmware file, i wonder if its possible to pull it from apple directly somehow... |
| 01:51:24 | Lonoxmont | might need to wireshark when itunes does it |
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| 01:51:49 | cockroach | possibly, but I wanted to do it without external dependencies, only stuff from the rockbox repository |
| 01:52:28 | Lonoxmont | does the low level firmware on the logic board have disk mode in it, or is that a function of the apple firmware? |
| 01:52:36 | Lonoxmont | thats really the part i need |
| 01:52:50 | cockroach | well, I should find some time next week to do a proper translation (also, fix one minor detail that is missing from the article) |
| 01:53:16 | Lonoxmont | honestly you could probably start from the google translate and just fix a few things |
| 01:53:33 | Lonoxmont | its mostly legible, just a few goofs where an idiom or w/e didnt quite make it |
| 01:53:35 | cockroach | no idea, I used an iflash adapter so I didn't need disk mode |
| 01:54:06 | Lonoxmont | disk mode is when you do select+play/pause at boot iirc |
| 01:54:12 | cockroach | heh, the same thing might just happen if I translte it myself :). but that is a good idea, might save me some time. |
| 01:54:19 | Lonoxmont | its 1-bit graphics that turn the ipod into a usb drive directly |
| 01:54:51 | Lonoxmont | i still need that mode as i have had file corruption issues while moving data while rockbox is running |
| 01:55:37 | cockroach | ah that sucks |
| 01:57:04 | cockroach | I just tried with one of the ipods, it say "Disk Mode" in a very non-rockboxy screen. I'll try to remember to get the other one (not sure which one I flashed) tomorrow |
| 01:57:32 | cockroach | i.e. if you're in here the same time tomorrow, I should be able to tell you whether that still works |
| 01:57:49 | Lonoxmont | i pretty much stay connected to irc at all times unless theres a power cut |
| 01:57:57 | cockroach | excellent :) |
| 01:57:59 | Lonoxmont | the perks of running irssi inside a screen session :V |
| 01:58:09 | cockroach | heh |
| 01:59:11 | cockroach | well I'll be off for now, should get some sleep. o/ |
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| 03:13:18 | koniu | _Bilgus: i managed boot from sd with one of my half-broken clipzip (4MB) but not the other (8MB), i seem to get 'file not found' no matter what, any things to check for? |
| 03:22:32 | __builtin | hmm... I can't seem to get my machine to recognize the ipod |
| 03:22:36 | __builtin | for serial, that is |
| 03:22:41 | __builtin | storage works as usual |
| 03:44:44 | speachy | huh, that build failure is kinda random. |
| 03:45:09 | * | speachy goes back to writing up a detailed service migration plan |
| 03:53:54 | _Bilgus | koniu, If using linux & still able to boot I have recovery firmware that exposes the whole drive or you can do the whole shorting the pins recovery and copy the whole firmware to the drive |
| 03:54:19 | _Bilgus | do try and make a copy of the current contents first |
| 03:55:35 | koniu | _Bilgus: for a while i couldn't even boot with /flash/.rockbox present but after mkfs.vfat and reinstall of bootloader and fresh unzip it's booting fine |
| 03:56:16 | koniu | but still only from the internal despite the same sd working fine in the other zip (and has the rockbox_main.clipzip |
| 03:56:19 | koniu | ) |
| 03:56:43 | _Bilgus | as long as you have the latest bootloader it should boot from sd |
| 03:57:05 | _Bilgus | make sure you have a single / in the redirect file |
| 03:57:43 | _Bilgus | also the latest dev versions support sd booting so make sure you are using that as well |
| 03:58:09 | _Bilgus | http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-sansaclipzip.zip |
| 03:58:09 | koniu | yup latest .rockbox on the sd and loading fine in the other player |
| 03:59:00 | _Bilgus | the only thing left is either physical connections or maybe the sd card is timing out |
| 03:59:23 | koniu | as for redirect file i tried both touch rockbox_main.clipzip and echo -n '/' > rockbox_main.clipzip |
| 03:59:26 | koniu | this is in the root of the sd |
| 03:59:43 | _Bilgus | take a finger nail emery board and cut the end the same as a sd card and lightly insert and remove a few dozen times |
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| 04:00:01 | koniu | even if the card mounts fine when it boots from internal? |
| 04:00:13 | _Bilgus | yeah either completely with touch or a single / |
| 04:00:35 | _Bilgus | hmm if it mounts fine then IDK i'd have figured hardware |
| 04:01:00 | _Bilgus | are you completely sure it didn't boot from the sd card? |
| 04:01:30 | _Bilgus | this latest fw does it a little hacky so in the boot data look for CRC OK! |
| 04:02:01 | koniu | yea, looked in debug/boot data and it says <0>. plus it's obvious as the internal .rockbox/config is the default, looking very different on the sd |
| 04:02:42 | koniu | aha! yes, when it boots from internal the boot data says CRC bad |
| 04:03:25 | _Bilgus | the <0> part won't really tell you since the filesystem rewrite never got finished I did it another way |
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| 04:03:53 | _Bilgus | it now just swaps the two drives so the sdcard becomes <0> |
| 04:03:59 | _Bilgus | internal <1> |
| 04:04:18 | _Bilgus | Igtg but I'll be back tomorrow eve |
| 04:04:23 | koniu | ah ok, its just on the one that does boot from the sd it says 'boot volume <1>' (and CRC OK) |
| 04:04:54 | koniu | ok nice one, i'll fiddle some more and ping you if i;m still stuck |
| 04:05:33 | koniu | might be good to hear what CRC BAD means and how to tackle |
| 04:06:34 | koniu | anyhow massive thanks for these patches- i thought my sansas were kaput and been watching ebay like a hawk :] |
| 04:07:12 | koniu | the one i got to boot from sd no longer seems to data abort |
| 04:07:19 | koniu | shame the volume keys are fscked |
| 04:07:45 | koniu | hence trying to get the older one to play ball |
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| 04:15:57 | Lonoxmont | running into an odd issue |
| 04:16:18 | Lonoxmont | on a directory with a lot of files in one folder, getting a directory buffer error and its not showing everything |
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| 04:22:27 | koniu | _Bilgus: one thing I noticed, is it briefly shows 'Boot 4.0' (no such thing on the player that sd boot works on). i've successfully ran rbutil bootloader instal 20 times by now, maybe it's failing to update somehow? |
| 04:25:24 | koniu | that said the md5sum of clpza.bin is the same on both players, is there anything more to the bootloader than this file? |
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| 10:19:04 | Loeb | I need to go back and verify since I thought I was having issues with flash, but if it was rockbox then I've had this issue with the mini 2g, photo, and video. |
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| 14:29:50 | _Bilgus56 | koniu the CRCBad message just means the fimware you booted isn't booting from the sd card |
| 14:30:12 | _Bilgus56 | there is nothing to fix persay |
| 14:32:00 | pixelma | the Ipod manuals seem to be broken (the online versions stop at the installation chapter) |
| 14:34:10 | _Bilgus56 | Latex is a fickle tool, great power comes great complexity I suppose |
| 14:34:34 | _Bilgus56 | is it all the manuals or just one specifically |
| 14:34:56 | pixelma | indeed, I remember that from back when I was more active |
| 14:37:30 | pixelma | Lonoxmont: I believe there is a setting which at least explains why you don't see everything. According to the manuals there is a "Max Entries in File Browser" setting under the System > Limits menu |
| 14:39:57 | _Bilgus56 | *And device sometimes (always?) needs a reboot to effect the change* |
| 14:45:44 | pixelma | _Bilgus56: it seems to affect all Ipod manuals in their html version, they stop in the Installation chapter > Manual Installation > Installing the bootloader. The fun part seems to be that some stop in the "Bootloader installation from MacOS" paragraph and some go a little further until the "Bootloader installation" from linux" paragraph. And the pdf manuals seem to be fine |
| 14:48:42 | speachy | I've found where the ipod manual breaks in the html version. Not sure I'm understanding _why_ it breaks for html but not pdf, but hey.. |
| 14:49:39 | speachy | it's the code block starting on line 75 of manua/getting_started/ipod_install.tex |
| 14:50:35 | _Bilgus56 | so do you know what is broken or is that just the error start? |
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| 14:53:34 | speachy | okay, that's definitely the breakage. commenting out that code block allows the manual to build all the way through |
| 14:53:58 | gevaerts | In the past, there's been occasional problems with latex packages changing |
| 14:55:45 | speachy | code block mis-renders in the PDF version too. |
| 14:56:19 | gevaerts | There's a few more code blocks for other manuals too |
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| 14:56:55 | _Bilgus56 | do you have a link? sorry not at home |
| 14:57:27 | pixelma | bluebrother was the most knowledgable about LaTeX as far as I remember |
| 14:59:36 | gevaerts | e.g. the gigabeat S has a very similar code block (also in the install chapter) and that one seems fine |
| 14:59:44 | speachy | so do most others. |
| 14:59:55 | speachy | got it, I think. |
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| 15:00:03 | gevaerts | So maybe it's one of the other things, $HOME or something like that? |
| 15:00:27 | _Bilgus56 | https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/master/manual/getting_started/ipod_install.tex#L75? |
| 15:00:49 | gevaerts | That block, yes |
| 15:02:51 | _Bilgus56 | LAtex needs a realtime viewer |
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| 15:03:24 | _Bilgus56 | koniu multi boot works like this(FW = the /.rockbox firmware ): |
| 15:03:25 | _Bilgus56 | special data struct with teh crc and what volume the FW was found on |
| 15:03:27 | _Bilgus56 | generated by the bootloader |
| 15:07:15 | _Bilgus56 | one more [FW FAILED] rockbox the bootloader returns and tries again this time falling back to the original behavior |
| 15:09:39 | _Bilgus56 | the current dev firmware only redirects to .rockbox in the root the version rotting in gerrit actually allows you to change the directory as well instead of <SD> /.rockbox you can have things like <SD> /beta_ver012/.rockbox |
| 15:13:18 | speachy | something is making it completely ignroe the \end{code} line |
| 15:13:42 | _Bilgus56 | look for weirdly encoded spaces |
| 15:14:05 | _Bilgus56 | man one file I worked on had like 50 |
| 15:15:31 | speachy | pdf manual also mis-generates badly, just not broken in the same way. |
| 15:19:33 | _Bilgus56 | crap the web version blocks my wall of text |
| 15:19:55 | _Bilgus56 | koniu SD Boot -> https://pastebin.com/33TnYA54 |
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| 15:27:56 | pixelma | speachy: did you try removing the $ sign? |
| 15:28:18 | speachy | yes, but that's not the problem. |
| 15:30:54 | speachy | ah! there's a mismatched } somewhere. |
| 15:32:31 | pixelma | the "\nopt{ipod6g}{" right at the start not closed properly? |
| 15:33:45 | speachy | or at least something is throwing off emacs' accounting |
| 15:34:25 | speachy | no, that nopt is closed after the first \end{enumerate} |
| 15:36:25 | pixelma | I can't find the mathing { to the second } on line 82. Mind you, I am just looking at the code in the browser |
| 15:36:34 | pixelma | matching too |
| 15:36:57 | pixelma | ah, no. That was silly |
| 15:36:59 | speachy | you mean the \note{ ... } |
| 15:39:54 | pixelma | hmm, now it looks like to me like the opening nopt{ipod6g} is closed at line 57 and it's meant to only be closed at line 90. If that's not it, I give up, it doesn't mke much sense to just look at the dry code |
| 15:41:43 | speachy | no, they're all balanced from what I can actually tell. |
| 15:42:36 | speachy | but the '$' in $HOME is throwing off emacs unless the line gets commented out. |
| 15:46:45 | pixelma | what's with the slash in ./ipodpatcher? |
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| 15:49:15 | speachy | ie "execute from local directory" |
| 15:49:58 | speachy | but it's purely the \begin{code} ... \end{code} itself is what's causing this to go kaboom. |
| 15:50:05 | speachy | gah, grammer fail |
| 15:57:40 | pixelma | but as gevaerts pointed out there are similar blocks elsewhere, e.g. in the gigabeats-install.tex which seem to work (it's just a oneliner there though) |
| 15:58:03 | speachy | it's cut-n-pasted exactly from sansa_install.tex, and that works fine |
| 15:58:07 | gevaerts | Grammar fail is exactly the issue :) |
| 15:58:12 | gevaerts | (probably!) |
| 15:58:22 | speachy | and both are included via exact same construct in installation.tex |
| 15:58:50 | speachy | hmm. Going to try an experiment. |
| 15:59:44 | speachy | okay, it's the nested \nopt{} block. |
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| 16:04:50 | speachy | that worked. split the 6g and non-6g instructions into separate files |
| 16:05:04 | speachy | and load the correct one from installation.tex |
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| 16:09:27 | speachy | fix committed and pushed. So that's one fewer bug. Only 41,311 to go. :P |
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| 16:29:32 | fs-bluebot | Build Server message: Revision f86f788 result: 4 errors 0 warnings |
| 16:30:12 | speachy | okay, we have a builder that's malfunctioning with hosted/simulator builds. |
| 16:30:54 | speachy | freemyipod-user890104 |
| 16:32:08 | * | gevaerts likes contextless errors like that! |
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| 16:35:42 | gevaerts | There's also http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=f86f788;type=sansae200v2sim to confuse things |
| 16:36:18 | user890104 | hi |
| 16:36:35 | user890104 | any idea how to fix it? |
| 16:36:55 | user890104 | or it's a bug of the build system? |
| 16:38:20 | user890104 | http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=f86f788;type=ipodnano1gsim |
| 16:38:27 | user890104 | this looks like a failed one |
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| 16:40:23 | gevaerts | I have no clue what the problem actually *is*... |
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| 17:08:59 | cockroach | speachy: thanks for fixing the tex bug! |
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| 17:49:28 | speachy | cockroach −− we can't fix what we don't know about! |
| 17:49:42 | speachy | and it provided an excuse to not go out and do yard work |
| 17:49:51 | cockroach | :) |
| 17:50:23 | speachy | user980104 −− given that two different simulation builds failed consecutively, I'd say that there's something wrong with your builder and sim builds |
| 17:51:15 | speachy | you only built a handful of jobs each time. I'd wager that each time you only ended up with a single sim job |
| 17:53:29 | speachy | if you don't know what's breaking, I'd request that you pull 'sdl' builds out of the capabilities your builder advertises |
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| 18:02:06 | gevaerts | speachy: no, there were other sim buids in there |
| 18:02:27 | gevaerts | http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=f86f788;type=sansae200v2sim |
| 18:02:54 | * | speachy nods. |
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| 18:26:34 | speachy | with respect to the gcc4.9 hangs, FS #13164 might be relevant |
| 18:26:34 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/13164 Rockbox commit ce0b31d87 fails to build due to overlapping sections in rockbox.elf (bugs, unconfirmed) |
| 18:27:17 | speachy | or not. that's for hosted targets. |
| 18:30:26 | speachy | looks like our flyspray instance is truncating larger (>52KB) attachments.. |
| 18:30:49 | speachy | three updated translations all truncated about the same place.. |
| 18:30:59 | speachy | (or maybe it's the translation site doing it?) |
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| 18:50:59 | speachy | cockroach, merged a couple of your ipod patches. the toolchain fix is good too, but I don't have credentials to make it live. |
| 18:51:23 | cockroach | speachy: thank you |
| 18:51:49 | * | speachy wants to start the hosting migration with flyspray, because it's eating patches.. |
| 18:52:26 | cockroach | it also whines a lot about PHP stuff |
| 18:58:31 | speachy | yeah, updating to a version of flyspray that's less than oh, five years old should do the trick there. :P |
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| 19:03:20 | cockroach | :) |
| 19:03:36 | Lonoxmont | pixelma: bumped that, still doing it |
| 19:03:43 | gevaerts | Is it that new? :) |
| 19:09:39 | speachy | oh, it's definitely older than that. :) |
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| 19:10:53 | * | gevaerts tries to help with migration things by sending admin emails to lists |
| 19:16:49 | speachy | I wrote up the transition plan outline for everything I know about so far. |
| 19:17:50 | gevaerts | Yes, I'm probably not able to help with the actual *plan*, but access to stuff probably a bit. Not as much as I'd like, but still :) |
| 19:19:40 | speachy | ooo, forgot gitweb from the git.rockbox migration |
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| 19:23:21 | fs-bluebot | Build Server message: Revision 9eba95d result: All green |
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| 19:28:57 | Lonoxmont | how many build revisions does that build server have stacked up waiting :V |
| 19:30:53 | speachy | this is the last one I think |
| 19:31:10 | * | speachy has been cleaning out some of the flyspray backlog |
| 19:31:19 | gevaerts | speachy: I assume you're on the -committers list? |
| 19:32:19 | speachy | gevaerts, I'm not sure. I mean I can commit to the www repo but I don't believe I have rights to get changes to go live on www. |
| 19:32:29 | gevaerts | I mean the mailing list |
| 19:33:00 | speachy | no |
| 19:34:20 | gevaerts | All right, I'll forward you the email I just sent there. Can I use your git commit email address? |
| 19:34:24 | speachy | no wait, I'm on there. |
| 19:34:31 | gevaerts | Oh, ok :) |
| 19:34:46 | gevaerts | In that case I won't forward it |
| 19:34:49 | speachy | or at least I have the "welcome to the list" email in my archive |
| 19:35:14 | gevaerts | I just sent an email there about admin things |
| 19:36:22 | speachy | I haven't received any email from that list since Sep 2018 though |
| 19:36:55 | gevaerts | Weird |
| 19:37:19 | gevaerts | Although I'm not sure how many there were. I don't think I kept them all |
| 19:38:25 | gevaerts | So maybe there weren't any between then and the one I just sent? |
| 19:40:09 | speachy | yeah, it says I'm still subscribed. Haven't seen your email yet though |
| 19:41:26 | gevaerts | I've forwarded it now |
| 19:41:45 | gevaerts | I got it back from the list, so it's not down as a whole |
| 19:45:39 | speachy | I just got the password confirmation from the listserv, over 10 minutes after I asked for it |
| 19:46:34 | speachy | didn't get anything from you yet either |
| 19:47:21 | gevaerts | Do you use greylisting setups? |
| 19:47:22 | speachy | ah, both emails just came through! |
| 19:47:35 | gevaerts | yay :) |
| 19:47:36 | speachy | no, haven't used greylisting for some time now |
| 19:48:20 | speachy | what's the db backend for the forums? |
| 19:48:31 | gevaerts | I'm pretty sure it's mysql |
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| 19:48:47 | gevaerts | Or maybe mariadb by now |
| 19:49:20 | gevaerts | Themes is sqlite3, and I'm not sure if translate has a db |
| 19:49:43 | gevaerts | flyspray, wiki and gerrit, no idea |
| 19:49:57 | * | speachy nods. |
| 19:50:26 | speachy | btw, I did include "give my account admin rights" in the transition plans. |
| 19:51:44 | gevaerts | I think it's more or less a requirement |
| 19:52:03 | gevaerts | Also a bit silly to give you a full database dump but not admin rights :) |
| 19:52:18 | speachy | granted, with access to the databases I can always do that myself. :) |
| 19:53:54 | gevaerts | Basically my plan is that if nobody replies I'll just give you those rights where I can. I just think I should ask first :) |
| 19:54:11 | gevaerts | Except for that shell access. That's not my machine, so... |
| 19:54:23 | speachy | of course |
| 19:55:49 | Lonoxmont | >not using mongodb http://www.mongodb-is-web-scale.com/ |
| 19:55:52 | Lonoxmont | ( ≖‿≖) |
| 19:57:06 | * | gevaerts hasn't yet personally encountered a problem where he thought a non-relational database was the solution :) |
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| 20:01:34 | speachy | yeah, we don't have the budget for "web scale" here. :) |
| 20:03:56 | speachy | our infrastructure just needs a gardener to tend to it. |
| 20:08:29 | cockroach | euhm, if I would like to add something to the wiki, should I wait until after the transition to ask for an account? |
| 20:10:38 | speachy | there's no timeline yet for the wiki getting moved, so you should just go ahead and ask now |
| 20:11:13 | cockroach | okay. |
| 20:11:41 | cockroach | does anyone in here happen to be in charge of creating wiki accounts? :) |
| 20:13:54 | speachy | not yet. :) |
| 20:14:13 | speachy | I think Bjorn is the keepr of the wiki keys still. |
| 20:14:39 | cockroach | aye |
| 20:18:56 | _Bilgus | It took 2 months for me to get mine lol |
| 20:19:09 | _Bilgus | ah speaking of the wiki |
| 20:19:10 | cockroach | heheh |
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| 20:23:40 | user890104 | speachy: i think i fixed the problem of my build client ... by freeing up disk space |
| 20:23:55 | speachy | ah yes, that would do it. :) |
| 20:24:10 | user890104 | :) |
| 20:25:29 | user890104 | i need to fix this more permanently though |
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| 21:34:37 | _Bilgus | https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MultibootBootloader |
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| 22:03:42 | Nugettes | Hi what glue would I use to stick the circuit board to the logic board on an Ipod? |
| 22:06:56 | Lonoxmont | lol what |
| 22:07:05 | Lonoxmont | the logic board is a circuit board my dude |
| 22:07:13 | Nugettes | Im gona reohrase that oops.. |
| 22:08:46 | Nugettes | The click wheel and the orange thing that connects the hdd needs glue to stick on the logic board but im not sure what to use |
| 22:09:35 | Nugettes | I don't know what you call it ? |
| 22:09:54 | Lonoxmont | afaik they dont use any glue internally on the ipod other than fixing the battery to the case |
| 22:10:23 | _Bilgus | double sided tape? |
| 22:10:26 | Lonoxmont | all the ribbon connectors should just stay in with the zif connectors closed properly |
| 22:10:35 | _Bilgus | don't use superglue it wicks too much |
| 22:11:09 | Nugettes | The click wheel needs something sticky to keep the ribbon cable flat on the logic board for it to work... |
| 22:11:26 | Nugettes | is it adhesive? |
| 22:11:35 | Lonoxmont | maybe you have a different model than i have |
| 22:11:46 | Nugettes | yea? |
| 22:11:59 | Lonoxmont | mine didnt have any glue other than the battery to the case |
| 22:12:10 | Lonoxmont | they just routed everything so it laid flat from being folded |
| 22:12:22 | Lonoxmont | ipod video 5.5 gen |
| 22:12:47 | Nugettes | The click wheel wont work regardless if its clipped on. it still needs to be flat on the logic board for it to work I have an Ipod 6 gen |
| 22:13:20 | Lonoxmont | yeah i guess double sided tape might work |
| 22:13:29 | Lonoxmont | or some of that foam with adhesive on both sides |
| 22:13:41 | _Bilgus | might be too thick |
| 22:13:56 | Nugettes | the double sided tape or adhesive? |
| 22:13:58 | Lonoxmont | the one caution i owuld have with that is if you ever have to break it open again its one more thing to worry about |
| 22:14:12 | _Bilgus | I think they both might be called double sided tape |
| 22:14:35 | Lonoxmont | maybe |
| 22:14:38 | _Bilgus | [the foam DST] |
| 22:15:39 | _Bilgus | good easily removable adhesive is hot melt glue just take care not to toch the ribbon with the tip |
| 22:15:44 | Nugettes | like maybe something like this? https://www.rockler.com/double-sided-turners-tape |
| 22:16:02 | _Bilgus | isopropyl alcohol makes it delam |
| 22:16:43 | _Bilgus | thats the stuff but they have a cellophane version too thats about 10x cheaper |
| 22:17:02 | Lonoxmont | hmm |
| 22:17:08 | Lonoxmont | do they make double sided kaptan? |
| 22:17:22 | Nugettes | hmm I think the liquid could work better. https://supergluecorp.com/product/fix-all-adhesive/ |
| 22:17:39 | Lonoxmont | liquid likes to wick around to places you wont like though |
| 22:17:39 | Nugettes | but this is super glue.. |
| 22:17:50 | Nugettes | ah... |
| 22:17:51 | _Bilgus | taht stuff usually has so organic volatiles I'd keep away from my ribbon cable |
| 22:18:08 | Nugettes | oh |
| 22:18:10 | _Bilgus | some* |
| 22:18:34 | Nugettes | ill with the tape then |
| 22:19:24 | Nugettes | wait are you saying I can use a glue gun with glue? |
| 22:19:53 | Nugettes | Replying to this comment you said "good easily removable adhesive is hot melt glue just take care not to toch the ribbon with the tip" |
| 22:20:06 | Lonoxmont | hotglue works but yeah |
| 22:20:13 | Lonoxmont | the ribbon cables dont like too much heat |
| 22:20:16 | Lonoxmont | melts them easy |
| 22:20:19 | Lonoxmont | thin insulation |
| 22:20:30 | Nugettes | oh ... |
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| 22:20:39 | Lonoxmont | if you are careful its fine |
| 22:20:49 | Lonoxmont | just keep the tip off the ribbon |
| 22:21:28 | Nugettes | I can probably dab a tiny bit on the logic board and let it cool then dab the ribbon on |
| 22:21:50 | _Bilgus | depends on how hot your glue gun gets |
| 22:22:17 | Nugettes | true it heats up quite a lot ... |
| 22:22:22 | _Bilgus | I have a low temp that works fine and a high temp that melts everything fingers incld |
| 22:22:33 | Nugettes | yea lol |
| 22:23:26 | Nugettes | I want to save money... but I don't want to mess any components either... |
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| 22:44:15 | Nugettes | I have some other questions. |
| 22:54:03 | Nugettes | If I accidently navigate to the apple rockbox and vise versa all id need to do is reset it? |
| 22:55:49 | Nugettes | im actually just asking for what buttons id need to press to go to different firmware |
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| 23:28:29 | Nugettes | wait if I switch to the apple firmware would it still limit the amount of space on the ipod to 128gb?? |
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