| 00:00:24 | Nugettes | What's silent corruption? |
| 00:00:31 | _Bilgus | If it was silent corruption before and crashes now that could be a meaningful result |
| 00:00:56 | _Bilgus | as in it failed but didn't give any indication of failing |
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| 00:02:11 | cockroach | true. unfortunately I'm not getting any error messages in most cases, it just freezes. next time I see an error, I'll write it down. |
| 00:02:46 | Nugettes | Has anyone tried to connect a click wheel to the logic board using sticky tape or hot glue?? |
| 00:02:48 | _Bilgus | by chance is the data that did make it on there uncorrupted? |
| 00:03:24 | cockroach | _Bilgus: let me check |
| 00:04:38 | _Bilgus | couple dozen CRC comparisons would be sufficent |
| 00:05:17 | Nugettes | Thank you |
| 00:05:17 | speachy | dunno, I'd think one should CRC everything |
| 00:05:39 | speachy | oh −− is it just writes, or do reads crash/hang/corrupt too? |
| 00:05:47 | cockroach | _Bilgus: unfortunately the last couple of directories it tried to sync are all empty |
| 00:05:53 | cockroach | still trying to find one that isn't |
| 00:07:49 | speachy | also, how much data transfer before crashing are you talking about? tens, hundreds, thousands of megabytes? |
| 00:08:07 | cockroach | the files seem corrupted |
| 00:08:47 | _Bilgus | the hunt continues |
| 00:09:18 | cockroach | I'm not exactly sure, I'll start again from scratch. df claims about 1.5 GB were transferred but I don't think so. the thing is, I ran a file system check and that did some cleanup. |
| 00:09:22 | cockroach | heh |
| 00:10:46 | __builtin | is this with an iflash? |
| 00:10:50 | cockroach | yes |
| 00:11:10 | __builtin | ah, I was investigating those at one point |
| 00:11:21 | __builtin | had a hard time inducing any corruption |
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| 00:11:50 | cockroach | now *that* I can do quite reliably, it seems |
| 00:11:52 | speachy | hmm, those iflashes do change things somewhat. it is a bit of a wildcard versus spinning rust. |
| 00:12:01 | __builtin | cockroach: how? |
| 00:12:12 | cockroach | __builtin: mount, copy files, wait for i/o errors. |
| 00:12:26 | __builtin | linux host? |
| 00:12:29 | cockroach | yep |
| 00:12:47 | __builtin | are the errors driver errors or just silent corruption? |
| 00:13:13 | __builtin | also, which model iflash and what card? |
| 00:13:15 | _Bilgus | heh |
| 00:13:19 | cockroach | there's nothing in dmesg, so I don't think the drivers are unhappy. |
| 00:13:34 | __builtin | but silent corruption once files are on disk? |
| 00:13:44 | _Bilgus | and rb crashing |
| 00:13:45 | cockroach | I don't know about that yet |
| 00:14:51 | cockroach | iflash solo, the card is a lexar 16GB. and it seems to work just fine using the ipod's built-in disk mode |
| 00:15:04 | __builtin | ok |
| 00:15:34 | cockroach | it *is* an ipod with 2k blocks |
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| 00:15:52 | cockroach | sectors* |
| 00:16:08 | __builtin | ah, I see the logs |
| 00:16:11 | cockroach | I could try creating a card with 512 byte sectors and see whether that changes anything. |
| 00:19:54 | __builtin | the sector size *might* be a contributing factor, but I doubt it if the errors are intermittent |
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| 00:20:10 | __builtin | but again, it's very hard to tell without anything firm to go on |
| 00:20:16 | cockroach | aye |
| 00:20:32 | cockroach | for now I'll try to find a way to properly reproduce it. |
| 00:26:12 | speachy | there's still a crash lurking in the xDuoo X3 data transfer too. don't know if it's USB, SD, or random corruption caused by not-quite-right asm code. |
| 00:26:43 | speachy | haven't been able to recreate it since I created a separate IRQ stack for MIPS targets, but there's one user that it still occasionally happens to |
| 00:27:38 | cockroach | this time the crash happened after somewhere between 600 and 900 MB transferred. afterwards, all files were corrupted. |
| 00:30:41 | cockroach | oh, this is unfortunate. even if I transfer a single (100MB) file, it seems to get corrupted during transfer. |
| 00:31:50 | speachy | here's something that might be worth trying −− create a second partition on the drive with ext4 instead of fat. that'll be more robust with respect to failures and might be more diagnosable. |
| 00:32:30 | cockroach | sounds like a plan |
| 00:32:58 | speachy | since in USB mode it's just exported as a plain block device anyway |
| 00:46:19 | cockroach | I created an ext3 on the second partition and I also get corruptions with rockbox, no corruption with the built-in disk mode. |
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| 00:53:43 | cockroach | using 512 byte sectors does not seem to change anything |
| 00:54:47 | cockroach | now, since I have been using this ipod with 512 byte sectors almost daily for the last couple of months, I'm fairly certain that no silent corruption has occurred with the data. |
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| 01:21:13 | Lonoxmont | _Bilgus: i have an ipod video w/ transfer issues under rockbox |
| 01:21:22 | Lonoxmont | re: 07:32:37 -0700 < _Bilgus> next time we get someone with an ipod iflash transfer issue we can have them try it and maybe find out |
| 01:23:38 | randomguy1024 | Hi! I couldn't find the info by googling - does the iPod Classic (6G) have IAP support? or is that only for other iPods? thanks |
| 01:25:57 | Lonoxmont | afaik rockbox doesnt support IAP except for the older IAP over serial protocol |
| 01:26:03 | Lonoxmont | IAP over USB is still trade secret |
| 01:26:31 | Lonoxmont | idk about the native firmware |
| 01:26:45 | randomguy1024 | ah I see, is the older protocol supported on the 6G? |
| 01:27:06 | cockroach | Lonoxmont: hey. last time we spoke you were asking about the built-in disk mode when installing rockbox without itunes. I finally got around to testing it and it works like a charm (much better than rockbox' USB disk mode at the moment) |
| 01:27:11 | Lonoxmont | not sure, heavily depends on the accessory you are trying to use |
| 01:28:01 | randomguy1024 | got it, best way to find out is probably to test then - time to charge the old classic that's been sitting around in a drawer for a while! thank you |
| 01:28:15 | Lonoxmont | no problem! |
| 01:28:39 | Lonoxmont | cockroach: ok good, sounds like the native disk mode is built into the logic board firmware |
| 01:28:42 | Lonoxmont | which is a good thing |
| 01:28:50 | cockroach | indeed |
| 01:28:50 | Lonoxmont | i think they stopped doing that after the video |
| 01:29:05 | Lonoxmont | i recall someone coming here with a 6g where they had wiped the apple firmware entirely |
| 01:29:18 | Lonoxmont | and then couldnt get to disk mode |
| 01:29:28 | cockroach | ah, that sucks |
| 01:29:53 | Lonoxmont | randomguy1024: depending on how old it is you might consider replacing ht ebattery |
| 01:30:06 | Lonoxmont | the original ones are really low capacity by now |
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| 01:32:45 | speachy | https://github.com/oandrew/ipod-gadget |
| 01:33:06 | speachy | IAP-over-USB, enough to play audio on docks and whatnot. |
| 01:33:23 | speachy | just needs someone motivated enough to port it to rockbox. :) |
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| 01:39:35 | Lonoxmont | speachy: i thought it wasnt ported to rockbox because its proprietary etc |
| 01:39:53 | Lonoxmont | unless apple somehow released the specs for it |
| 01:44:49 | speachy | the original was just as proprietary |
| 01:45:10 | speachy | and rockbox is full of reverse-engineered stuff |
| 01:45:29 | Lonoxmont | yeah idk then |
| 01:45:35 | Lonoxmont | maybe it was never a technical barrier |
| 01:45:40 | Lonoxmont | just a political one |
| 01:46:02 | Lonoxmont | im guessing apple probably no longer cares that much about rockbox anymore |
| 01:46:15 | Lonoxmont | so might be safe to quietly pull in IAP over USB |
| 01:46:19 | speachy | it's more of a developer effort barrier |
| 01:46:24 | Lonoxmont | well yeah it is now |
| 01:46:48 | Lonoxmont | wasnt few years back when i made some attempt to try ad get at the usb specs :V |
| 01:47:48 | speachy | apple has sued folks for shipping thigns that pretended to be ipods |
| 01:48:48 | speachy | rockbox does have a 1st-gen (serial) IAP implementation |
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| 02:19:30 | _Bilgus | <Lonoxmont> I think cockroach has verified that 2048 bytes sectors don't help but more data is always welcomed |
| 02:20:28 | Lonoxmont | im on linux, tell me what to run against the ipod and what modes etc and i will do it :V |
| 02:20:48 | Lonoxmont | prefer to not wipe it if i dont have to but if i do it is what it is |
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| 02:25:13 | _Bilgus | most assuredly i'd need to be wiped |
| 02:26:45 | Lonoxmont | eh, i can back it up first |
| 02:27:10 | Lonoxmont | getting at the storage directly might be a bit weird though since its a jbod across 4 sd cards |
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| 02:35:53 | Nugettes | Hi I installed rockbox via rockbox utility with the combination of apple firmware already being in the disk. although rockbox still doesnt load when I hold the combinations MENU + PLAY. |
| 02:40:16 | Nugettes | The screen fades into black then when I stop holding the buttons the original apple firmware re appears. |
| 02:50:42 | Lonoxmont | menu+play i dont think does anything |
| 02:51:00 | Lonoxmont | rockbox should boot by default after it is installed |
| 02:51:12 | Nugettes | ah |
| 02:51:21 | Lonoxmont | so just start it with select |
| 02:51:24 | Lonoxmont | and dont touch anything |
| 02:51:25 | Nugettes | it doesnt... |
| 02:51:51 | Nugettes | Menu select? |
| 02:51:59 | Lonoxmont | select is the button in the middle |
| 02:52:07 | Lonoxmont | when an ipod is off that is how you wake it up |
| 02:52:17 | Nugettes | okay |
| 02:52:19 | Lonoxmont | should just be tap that and wait, dont toggle hold or do anything else |
| 02:52:35 | Nugettes | it should boot by default but it hasnt after I installed rockbox? |
| 02:52:37 | Lonoxmont | if you need to reboot select+menu, hold till it reboots |
| 02:52:54 | Lonoxmont | did you have the utility install the bootloader? |
| 02:53:02 | Nugettes | yes |
| 02:53:32 | Lonoxmont | what model of ipod |
| 02:53:42 | speachy | huh, that was unexpected. I now have a 4.9.4-compiled archos image. |
| 02:53:44 | Nugettes | Ipod 6 gen |
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| 02:54:13 | Lonoxmont | hmm, cant remember if 6 gen needs special handling... |
| 02:54:16 | Lonoxmont | lemme look |
| 02:54:25 | Nugettes | alright |
| 02:55:31 | Lonoxmont | doesnt say much on the wiki about it |
| 02:55:51 | Lonoxmont | i would try telling the utility to uninstall and reinstall rockbox and see what happens |
| 02:56:00 | Nugettes | Rockbox utility recognized the device as well? |
| 02:56:03 | Nugettes | alright |
| 02:56:06 | Lonoxmont | also make sure you have the latest version of it |
| 02:56:26 | Nugettes | oi |
| 02:56:27 | Lonoxmont | hmm, if it autodetected it should have worked |
| 02:57:07 | Nugettes | the latest version is 3.1 right? |
| 02:58:29 | Lonoxmont | 1.4.1 according to wiki |
| 02:58:34 | Nugettes | ah |
| 02:58:52 | Nugettes | the latest one doesnt work on my computer it crashes.. |
| 02:59:09 | Lonoxmont | what os are you running? |
| 02:59:31 | Nugettes | windowa |
| 02:59:34 | Nugettes | windows |
| 02:59:38 | Lonoxmont | what version of windows |
| 02:59:57 | Nugettes | 7 |
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| 03:00:03 | Lonoxmont | 32 or 64 bit? |
| 03:00:08 | Nugettes | 32 |
| 03:00:19 | Lonoxmont | that might be the problem, idk if 1.4.1 has a 32 bit build |
| 03:00:28 | Nugettes | oh okay |
| 03:02:06 | Lonoxmont | and unfortunately it looks like 1.4.1 or better is the build where ipod 6g support was implemented |
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| 03:02:30 | Nugettes | implemented? |
| 03:03:01 | Lonoxmont | added in, made working etc |
| 03:03:08 | Nugettes | ohh |
| 03:03:19 | Nugettes | looks like Ill have to try a more recent version |
| 03:03:40 | Lonoxmont | lemme take a look at the binary in the win32 build |
| 03:04:43 | Lonoxmont | hmm, i think it might still work on a 32 bit machine |
| 03:04:50 | Nugettes | ok |
| 03:04:59 | Lonoxmont | what error do you get when it crashes? |
| 03:05:55 | Nugettes | im not exactly sure as I can not remember but it did tell me something like It was not compatible with the system |
| 03:06:23 | Lonoxmont | http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/win32/RockboxUtility-v1.4.1.zip try this and screenshot any error it gives you |
| 03:06:43 | Nugettes | okay |
| 03:07:30 | Nugettes | so it says |
| 03:07:50 | Nugettes | theres a kernerl that couldnt be specified in the system |
| 03:08:00 | Nugettes | kernel |
| 03:08:40 | Lonoxmont | anything else? |
| 03:09:04 | Nugettes | thats it then it stops working and winow closes the program |
| 03:09:47 | Lonoxmont | yeah idk, probably going to need one of the people more familiar with this to handle it |
| 03:10:14 | Nugettes | whats the latest version that supports 6 gen? |
| 03:10:23 | Lonoxmont | speachy: ping |
| 03:10:38 | speachy | hmm? version of rbutil? |
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| 03:11:05 | Nugettes | yea |
| 03:11:17 | Lonoxmont | hes on win7 32 bit |
| 03:11:27 | Lonoxmont | getting a crash in rbutil |
| 03:11:40 | Lonoxmont | i gave him 1.4.1 |
| 03:11:45 | Nugettes | it may be a vista.. not certain |
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| 03:12:14 | speachy | there have been nearly no changes in rbutil since then |
| 03:13:50 | Lonoxmont | Nugettes: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13443/windows-which-version-am-i-running |
| 03:14:23 | speachy | I don't think I can cross-compile it for windows with what I have set up now |
| 03:14:41 | Nugettes | yea its a vista.. |
| 03:15:08 | Lonoxmont | vista was always a really weird os |
| 03:15:13 | Lonoxmont | lits like half-baked win7 |
| 03:15:19 | Nugettes | I can try version 3.0 |
| 03:15:23 | Lonoxmont | with a lot of xp |
| 03:15:31 | Nugettes | lol |
| 03:15:34 | Lonoxmont | i mean you can but afaik that version doesnt support your ipod |
| 03:15:51 | Nugettes | I did before ... |
| 03:16:04 | Lonoxmont | try 1.4.0, idk if that has 6g support or not |
| 03:16:23 | Nugettes | maybe its the logic board that got switched out?? |
| 03:16:35 | Nugettes | I changed the logic board for a new one... |
| 03:16:55 | Lonoxmont | did you reinitialise the ipod uding itunes after that? |
| 03:16:57 | Nugettes | logic board could be a different model not sure? |
| 03:16:58 | Lonoxmont | using |
| 03:17:08 | Lonoxmont | also yeah that could be causing problems as well |
| 03:17:24 | Nugettes | yes |
| 03:17:42 | Lonoxmont | what does itunes see the ipod as? |
| 03:17:49 | Nugettes | Its not getting recognized on iTunes either |
| 03:18:02 | Nugettes | but the computer itself recognizes it |
| 03:18:12 | Lonoxmont | yeha if itunes doesnt like it something is wrong |
| 03:18:20 | Lonoxmont | also not helping is your really old OS |
| 03:18:34 | Nugettes | Doesnt the 80gb and 160gb logic board look different? |
| 03:18:44 | Lonoxmont | idk for the g6 |
| 03:18:51 | Lonoxmont | all i have is a 5.5 video |
| 03:18:58 | Nugettes | I ordered an 80gb version |
| 03:19:10 | Nugettes | hmm ill restart the ipod on itunes |
| 03:20:08 | Nugettes | heres the SN of the model |
| 03:20:52 | Nugettes | SN: 8N748RVSYMV |
| 03:21:28 | Lonoxmont | is that what itunes sees or off the case or what |
| 03:21:40 | Lonoxmont | if you replaced the logic board case SN goes out the window |
| 03:21:44 | Nugettes | this is what itunes displays the ipod model as |
| 03:25:29 | Nugettes | wait but thats the SN |
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| 03:26:50 | Lonoxmont | according to apple site the YMV makes it a first gen classic |
| 03:26:54 | Nugettes | I restired the ipd on itunes |
| 03:27:05 | Nugettes | ill check |
| 03:28:53 | Nugettes | ok |
| 03:29:11 | Nugettes | its MB147LL |
| 03:32:05 | Lonoxmont | now that itunes likes it again, maybe try version 1.4.0 of rbutil |
| 03:32:25 | Nugettes | that version doesnt work with my os. |
| 03:32:34 | Nugettes | ill try an older version |
| 03:32:41 | Lonoxmont | http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/win32/RockboxUtility-v1.4.0.zip |
| 03:33:02 | Lonoxmont | i mean you can run as old a version as you want, but if it doesnt have support for your ipod model it snot going to help you much |
| 03:33:57 | Lonoxmont | also 1.4.0 is not the same as 1.4.1 |
| 03:34:03 | Nugettes | ok |
| 03:34:08 | Nugettes | ohh okay |
| 03:34:17 | Lonoxmont | 1.4.1 was built late 2019 looks like |
| 03:34:27 | Lonoxmont | 1.4.0 was early 2014 |
| 03:35:00 | Lonoxmont | so it probably has a better chance of running on your ancient machine |
| 03:35:25 | Nugettes | had to close my ipod as I left it open after I repaired |
| 03:35:27 | Nugettes | it |
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| 03:36:26 | Nugettes | 4.0 works with my os |
| 03:37:43 | Nugettes | okay I instaled it |
| 03:39:02 | Nugettes | when installing does it ask for certain buttons to be selected during installation also a beep can be heard correct? |
| 03:40:28 | Lonoxmont | do whatever it says when it tells you to do it |
| 03:40:41 | Lonoxmont | im not imtimately familiar with 6g install process |
| 03:40:41 | Nugettes | okay I already installed it |
| 03:41:58 | Nugettes | hmm I restarted it apple logo still loads not rockbox. |
| 03:42:24 | Nugettes | isnt there a way to over wright apple files? |
| 03:42:48 | Lonoxmont | not a good idea |
| 03:43:08 | Lonoxmont | also the apple logo should load initially, then if everything goes well it will switch over to rockbox |
| 03:43:11 | Nugettes | Apple wont let rockbox load.. |
| 03:43:31 | Nugettes | yea it didnt do thar |
| 03:43:37 | Nugettes | that |
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| 03:44:15 | Lonoxmont | yeah idk man |
| 03:44:26 | Lonoxmont | try and find a friend with a newer machine to try the latest version of rbutil on |
| 03:44:42 | Nugettes | its worked on here before |
| 03:44:51 | Lonoxmont | or burn and boot from a linux livecd and run the latest version there |
| 03:44:59 | Nugettes | Dont know whats the issue now... |
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| 03:45:16 | Nugettes | itunes must be stopping it from booting |
| 03:45:31 | Lonoxmont | yeah itunes needs to be not running to run the rbutil properly |
| 03:45:41 | Nugettes | hmmm.. |
| 03:45:44 | Lonoxmont | that might also be why 1.4.1 was crashing |
| 03:46:01 | Nugettes | itunes wasnt open when I had 1.4.1 open |
| 03:46:06 | Lonoxmont | but was it running |
| 03:46:12 | Lonoxmont | itunes likes to silently start when you log in |
| 03:46:14 | Nugettes | no |
| 03:46:33 | Nugettes | I made sure to stop itunes from booting in task manager |
| 03:48:21 | Lonoxmont | yeha idk then |
| 03:48:39 | Lonoxmont | try and find a local library thats still open and try and use one of their machines if its newer than yours and see if that helps |
| 03:48:47 | Lonoxmont | maybe netcafe or gmaing lounge |
| 03:48:47 | Nugettes | hmmm is there a specific file that helps diskmode boot? |
| 03:49:44 | Nugettes | ill try that tomorrow |
| 03:51:02 | Nugettes | disk mode has a specific file right? |
| 03:52:14 | Lonoxmont | idk on yours |
| 03:52:22 | Lonoxmont | i think its part of the apple firmware on 6g |
| 03:52:35 | Lonoxmont | i just know somoene who removed the apple firmware form his 6g didnt have it anymore |
| 03:52:47 | Nugettes | hmm |
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| 03:53:37 | Lonoxmont | id say if you can try and at least update your machine to win7 if it has enough hardware |
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| 03:53:52 | Lonoxmont | i think that might be the oldest version of winodws currently supported, least according to the wiki |
| 03:54:02 | Nugettes | yea. |
| 03:54:48 | Nugettes | I have another machine with wind 7.. Ill try it on that |
| 03:56:44 | Lonoxmont | yeah try that and let us know how it goes |
| 03:59:58 | Nugettes | alright thanks for the help! |
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| 04:04:17 | Nugettes | im gonna try on the other computer real quick |
| 04:21:37 | Nugettes | Hi I just installed |
| 04:21:50 | Nugettes | the newest version of rockbox on the ipod |
| 04:21:56 | Nugettes | in the new OS |
| 04:22:10 | Nugettes | but it didn't load within the ipod. |
| 04:23:09 | Nugettes | Lonoxmont |
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| 04:32:35 | Nugettes | I think I see what I did wrong |
| 04:32:44 | Nugettes | Bootloader wasnt checked in |
| 04:34:46 | Nugettes | in rockboc utility |
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| 04:48:47 | Nugettes | I successfuly installed rockbox |
| 04:53:59 | Nugettes | I have a problem... I installed rockbox but I am still limited to 128GB... |
| 04:55:38 | _Bilgus | how much space should it have? |
| 04:56:02 | Nugettes | 2TB |
| 04:56:10 | Nugettes | It limited to 128gb |
| 04:56:56 | Nugettes | I left the original apple firmware and I even installed it with rockbox utility |
| 04:57:19 | Nugettes | I'm not sure what I did wrong...? |
| 04:58:15 | _Bilgus | well it'll still be limited in the OF but rb should utilize all of it but I'm not sure how you proceed |
| 04:59:31 | Nugettes | exactly |
| 04:59:44 | Nugettes | Rockbox should be able to exceed that |
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| 05:01:35 | Nugettes | Maybe I should reinstall it? |
| 05:12:37 | _Bilgus | Its probably more like it needs to be formatted correctly or maybe a second partition |
| 05:13:13 | Nugettes | hmmm |
| 05:13:33 | Nugettes | I already fromatted all disks |
| 05:13:40 | Nugettes | inthe ipod they are all FAT 32 |
| 05:13:44 | Nugettes | and so is the ipod |
| 05:14:08 | Nugettes | I have to format the ipod with another software? |
| 05:16:12 | Nugettes | I don't think I have that software |
| 05:22:41 | Nugettes | Wahts it called? |
| 05:28:45 | Nugettes | What is it called? |
| 05:36:21 | Nugettes | Can I use any freeware format programs to format? |
| 05:36:35 | Nugettes | or is there any recommended? |
| 05:39:31 | Nugettes | alright thx for the help! |
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| 05:40:18 | _Bilgus | windows rufus or rmusbprep come to mind |
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| 05:40:37 | _Bilgus | I can't remember which is best lol |
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| 05:41:21 | Nugettes | Ah okay |
| 05:41:54 | Nugettes | Theres one I remember coming across it has a black usb logo I believe? |
| 05:45:31 | _Bilgus | In my vm it looks like rufus might be the better of the two but you might have something else that'd do better? |
| 05:45:38 | Nugettes | found it its called rufus |
| 05:46:23 | Nugettes | wait if I format will I have to reinstall rockbox? |
| 05:47:09 | _Bilgus | yes |
| 05:47:36 | _Bilgus | you could possibly use something like diskwizard? |
| 05:47:45 | _Bilgus | one of the partition managers |
| 05:47:53 | Nugettes | hmm |
| 05:48:08 | Nugettes | it will still erase all my contents right? |
| 05:48:25 | _Bilgus | no |
| 05:48:40 | _Bilgus | you could just resize partitions or possibly add another |
| 05:48:53 | Nugettes | oh |
| 05:48:59 | _Bilgus | I think its partition wizard or maybe partition magic? |
| 05:49:28 | Nugettes | this? https://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/discwizard/ |
| 05:49:33 | _Bilgus | idk if either is still around or work for usb's no clue its been ages |
| 05:49:40 | _Bilgus | no |
| 05:49:46 | Nugettes | hmm okay |
| 05:49:59 | Nugettes | Ill just use rufus and reinstall rockbox |
| 05:50:35 | _Bilgus | https://www.partitionwizard.com/ |
| 05:51:39 | Nugettes | ah okay thanks |
| 05:51:51 | Nugettes | How do I re partition or create a new partition? |
| 05:52:50 | _Bilgus | it should be pretty evident whats going on in that program IIRC its a gui that shows how big the partition is and how big you can make it |
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| 05:53:17 | Nugettes | ah okay |
| 05:53:20 | _Bilgus | if you reformat it just set it for the max size |
| 05:53:26 | Nugettes | It seems I have to pay for it |
| 05:53:31 | _Bilgus | https://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html |
| 05:53:37 | _Bilgus | theres the free version |
| 05:53:45 | Nugettes | okay thanks |
| 05:58:22 | Nugettes | what is partition label? |
| 05:59:19 | _Bilgus | IPOD? |
| 05:59:24 | _Bilgus | or leave it blank |
| 05:59:36 | Nugettes | ah ok |
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| 06:04:41 | Nugettes | wait will this remove the original firmaware as well? |
| 06:04:58 | Nugettes | Will I only be with the rockbox firmware |
| 06:07:59 | _Bilgus | are you reformatting? |
| 06:08:59 | Nugettes | I already reformatted it wiped all the contents |
| 06:09:24 | Nugettes | I dont have a partition either its what read on rockbox |
| 06:12:05 | _Bilgus | ok you need to do a format and put in a partition |
| 06:12:22 | Nugettes | hmm okay |
| 06:12:23 | _Bilgus | the formatter should put in a partition for you |
| 06:12:29 | Nugettes | ok |
| 06:12:33 | _Bilgus | otherwise you need to do it manually |
| 06:13:28 | _Bilgus | and yes you probably need to go back through iTunes to get your OF back on there |
| 06:13:37 | _Bilgus | sorry iPods are not my thing |
| 06:14:53 | Nugettes | ok |
| 06:15:10 | Nugettes | Its not giving me the ability to create a partition after I deleted the partitions |
| 06:15:56 | _Bilgus | are you using rufus? |
| 06:16:15 | Nugettes | no |
| 06:16:27 | Nugettes | im using the program you asked |
| 06:16:36 | Nugettes | told me about |
| 06:17:06 | _Bilgus | that shoul have allowed you to resize the partitions |
| 06:17:24 | Nugettes | it didnt.. |
| 06:17:29 | _Bilgus | not delete them |
| 06:17:36 | Nugettes | oh... |
| 06:17:45 | _Bilgus | I'd just start over in rufus and reformat |
| 06:17:53 | Nugettes | okay |
| 06:19:42 | _Bilgus | Boot selection > Non bootable, Partition scheme > MBR File system FAT 32 try the default Cluster size |
| 06:20:21 | Nugettes | ok |
| 06:20:23 | _Bilgus | I'm doing this off their screenshot |
| 06:21:37 | Nugettes | alright im going to restart the ipod on itunes and reformat the ipod through rufus |
| 06:21:41 | Nugettes | then install rockbox |
| 06:22:21 | _Bilgus | ok i'd follow the guide for this part tbh |
| 06:22:40 | Nugettes | ok |
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| 06:37:30 | Nugettes | hmm rufus doesnt seem to want to run on this computer? |
| 06:38:05 | _Bilgus | oi task 1 install linux or a mordern OS lol |
| 06:38:15 | _Bilgus | *more modern* |
| 06:38:17 | Nugettes | ohh |
| 06:38:36 | Nugettes | hmm im gonna try on the other computer |
| 06:40:10 | _Bilgus | stop using that one lol |
| 06:40:34 | Nugettes | windows 7? |
| 06:40:49 | Nugettes | it works on that one but not the one im currently on |
| 06:41:29 | _Bilgus | hell I think win7 is even out of support |
| 06:42:02 | Nugettes | yes it is now but it works |
| 06:42:17 | _Bilgus | ubuntu is not too bad it'll be faster and much more stable then you can run xp or vista in a vm if you like |
| 06:42:50 | Nugettes | shouls I install rockbox first or reformat the ipod? |
| 06:43:08 | Nugettes | should* |
| 06:43:47 | _Bilgus | you'll need to reformat first |
| 06:43:57 | Nugettes | ok |
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| 06:45:35 | Nugettes | hmmm im not able to click on anything |
| 06:47:11 | Nugettes | it only allows me to lcick on the boot section after that im not able to click on anything else |
| 06:48:18 | Nugettes | ah ok I clicked on list usb hard drive |
| 06:49:45 | Nugettes | hmmm how am I going to keep the apple firmware after the format wiped everything off? |
| 06:51:35 | Nugettes | should I copy the OF files off the disk and put them back in? |
| 06:54:47 | Nugettes | this didnt work either... |
| 06:55:04 | Nugettes | minitool worked better.. |
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| 07:09:05 | Nugettes | why do I only see126gb.. |
| 07:09:17 | Nugettes | I dont see the rest of the disk space.. |
| 07:18:05 | _Bilgus | all I can fugure is that the OF makes it 128 gb again Idk but I'm sure someone else can help you with it that actually has an ipod |
| 07:18:22 | _Bilgus | maybe you need to create several partitions IDK |
| 07:18:51 | Nugettes | okay |
| 07:19:59 | Nugettes | how do I ceate a partitiion with wizard |
| 07:20:20 | Nugettes | Minitool |
| 07:21:27 | _Bilgus | just wait till you hear back |
| 07:21:42 | _Bilgus | rather than risk screwing something up |
| 07:22:37 | Nugettes | I think I already did.. |
| 07:24:14 | _Bilgus | meh doubt its anything too very bad |
| 07:25:08 | Nugettes | I cant seem to find any unallocated space in minitool |
| 07:25:53 | _Bilgus | thats because you already formatted the max size |
| 07:26:29 | _Bilgus | basically the drive is formatted properly but the ipod isn't showing it to you |
| 07:26:48 | _Bilgus | I'm not familar enough with it to tell you why or how to fix it |
| 07:27:01 | _Bilgus | I swore off apple quite a long while ago |
| 07:27:34 | Nugettes | :( |
| 07:27:49 | Nugettes | maybe diskpart could help?? |
| 07:29:41 | _Bilgus | maybe waiting for someone who has a extra large ipod WILL help lol |
| 07:30:08 | Nugettes | _builtin has an ipod.. |
| 07:30:19 | Nugettes | @_builtin |
| 07:31:00 | Nugettes | nothing seems to be working... |
| 07:31:09 | _Bilgus | he's close to my timezone and in bed most likely |
| 07:31:29 | Nugettes | rufus did something wierd to the ipod.. |
| 07:32:02 | Nugettes | It didnt resize the partition except kept it the same |
| 07:33:50 | Nugettes | wait i think I figured it out |
| 07:34:00 | Nugettes | the ipod is ntsf |
| 07:34:07 | _Bilgus | thats odd maybe you already have multiple partitions on there |
| 07:34:27 | _Bilgus | yeah rb only supports fat32 |
| 07:34:33 | Nugettes | there should be an unallocated space |
| 07:34:46 | Nugettes | but since its ntsf it doesnt see it |
| 07:35:30 | _Bilgus | then you need to wipe all that out so yes diskpart might help |
| 07:36:20 | Nugettes | what do I do with diskpart? |
| 07:36:36 | Nugettes | I dont know the exact steps but am familiar with it |
| 07:37:03 | _Bilgus | you read online about how to use it |
| 07:38:55 | _Bilgus | https://www.diskpart.com/articles/diskpart-format-fat32-7201.html |
| 07:39:07 | _Bilgus | just be careful you get the right drive |
| 07:39:14 | Nugettes | yea |
| 07:39:52 | _Bilgus | hmm Although DiskPart is a great choice when Windows Disk Management and File Explorer fail to format hard drive to FAT32, it also shares a common limitation with the other two tools: they cannot format a large drive (over 32GB) to FAT32. When you try to perform such formatting task in Diskpart, you will receive an error message saying "The volume size is too big for FAT32"(as shown in the below screenshot). |
| 07:40:12 | _Bilgus | windows sure sucks for this |
| 07:40:52 | Nugettes | oh then what shall I dooo |
| 07:40:56 | _Bilgus | you should be able to do it through partition wizard too |
| 07:43:00 | Nugettes | its not allowing me to resize |
| 07:44:13 | _Bilgus | that first article recommended this: https://www.diskpart.com/free-partition-manager.html |
| 07:44:23 | _Bilgus | no clue.. |
| 07:44:35 | _Bilgus | I'd just use linux l9ol |
| 07:44:39 | _Bilgus | lol |
| 07:44:49 | Nugettes | ugh |
| 07:45:50 | Nugettes | i used diskpart last time and did something therer |
| 07:46:17 | Nugettes | I deleted the partition and resuzed it to full space? |
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| 08:07:22 | Nugettes | hmm im gonna try to reinstall rockbox |
| 08:11:09 | Nugettes | I changed the file systrm to exfat and it loacted all the space |
| 08:13:28 | _Bilgus | rb ONLY supports Fat32 |
| 08:14:36 | _Bilgus | windows builtin formatting doesn't support 2 TB drives so you need something that doesn't use the windows built-in utilities |
| 08:14:54 | Nugettes | :I |
| 08:15:22 | Nugettes | rockbox is supposed to loacte the rest of the unallocated space rigth? |
| 08:15:39 | Nugettes | once installed |
| 08:16:58 | _Bilgus | doubtful |
| 08:22:25 | Nugettes | maybe rufus will do thejob |
| 08:22:55 | Nugettes | but it turned the device into another device? |
| 08:29:48 | _Bilgus | you might try RMPrepUSB I know one of them works for big usb drives |
| 08:31:20 | _Bilgus | https://www.howtogeek.com/316977/how-to-format-usb-drives-larger-than-32gb-with-fat32-on-windows/ |
| 08:31:30 | Nugettes | ok |
| 08:34:03 | Nugettes | where can I download? |
| 08:38:11 | Nugettes | nvm i see it |
| 08:39:05 | _Bilgus | O_o |
| 08:44:55 | Nugettes | nothing happens when I open it |
| 08:46:08 | Nugettes | what now? |
| 08:46:55 | _Bilgus | I'm going to bed goodnight |
| 08:47:14 | _Bilgus | hint its your pc |
| 08:47:17 | Nugettes | ah ok |
| 08:47:23 | Nugettes | oh |
| 08:47:29 | Nugettes | gn |
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| 15:48:41 | cockroach | I wrote a bunch of scripts to analyze the ipod transfer issues and so far it seems that I can easily reproduce it with a few MB of data. what might be interesting is that all the failures seem to affect whole sectors (i.e. the corruption starts at an address that can be divided by 512). |
| 15:49:37 | cockroach | it would seem that the ipod just stops writing at those positions −− the remaining data is the stuff that used to be on the memory card before |
| 15:50:31 | cockroach | and I did manage to see a *PANIC* screen once. it said "mount: 0, pc:00071b8c sp:00100368", in case that helps. |
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| 16:15:26 | Lonoxmont | cockroach: and in disk mode this didnt happen? |
| 16:17:36 | cockroach | Lonoxmont: no, in disk mode it works reliably |
| 16:18:14 | Lonoxmont | so its specific to rockbox then |
| 16:18:29 | Lonoxmont | hmm |
| 16:18:47 | Lonoxmont | i dont suppose you also have an ipod with the smaller sectors? |
| 16:19:05 | Lonoxmont | my guess is this is a corner case with the 5.5g ipods |
| 16:24:50 | cockroach | Lonoxmont: i do have one of those, yes, but it's currently broken. spare parts should arrive later this week... |
| 16:25:10 | Lonoxmont | awesome |
| 16:25:21 | Lonoxmont | gonna be interesting if this is just a video issue |
| 16:25:32 | Lonoxmont | in which cas eim guessing the fix is 'use disk mode' |
| 16:25:42 | Lonoxmont | since lel no devs |
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| 16:39:02 | cockroach | Lonoxmont: heh I hope we won't be limited to disk mode forever... |
| 16:39:24 | Lonoxmont | eh, imo its not the end of the world |
| 16:39:27 | Lonoxmont | least in my use cases |
| 16:39:33 | Lonoxmont | its fast enough for what i do |
| 16:39:37 | _Bilgus | its not just the video |
| 16:40:01 | _Bilgus | its rb + iflash issue AFAIK |
| 16:40:44 | _Bilgus | cockroach are you using the latest dev version? |
| 16:40:45 | Lonoxmont | does iflash do open source on their design and such? |
| 16:40:59 | Lonoxmont | might be able to work with them or something on this |
| 16:42:44 | _Bilgus | gotta diagnose it first and we did work on them with this they sent _builtin one to try and test |
| 16:43:30 | _Bilgus | sorry __builtin *magic incantation* |
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| 16:53:44 | cockroach | _Bilgus: almost, a checkout from last sunday |
| 16:54:35 | _Bilgus | you'll need the map file by a checkout I assume you compiled it? |
| 16:54:58 | cockroach | what map file? |
| 16:55:28 | cockroach | ah, rockbox.map? |
| 16:55:29 | cockroach | :) |
| 16:55:40 | cockroach | indeed it's there |
| 16:56:11 | _Bilgus | the one generated by compiling the build rockbox.maap |
| 16:56:34 | cockroach | aye. and what do I do with it? |
| 16:56:37 | _Bilgus | lol so now look in it for what function is at that pc |
| 16:57:00 | _Bilgus | *or near it* |
| 16:57:27 | _Bilgus | or pastebin it and I can look |
| 16:58:50 | cockroach | the closest (lower) one would be usb_status_event at 0x00000000000718ac |
| 16:59:45 | cockroach | but it's pastebinned at https://pastebin.com/QWnbDR8R |
| 16:59:58 | cockroach | in case you would like to have a look yourself |
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| 17:00:44 | cockroach | (need to go buy some food, back soon) |
| 17:07:47 | _Bilgus | I'd concur with that function https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/master/firmware/usb.c#L551 |
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| 17:12:39 | _Bilgus | https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/master/firmware/target/arm/pp/usb-fw-pp502x.c#L222 |
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| 17:42:26 | cockroach | oh this is fun: I just tried a different iflash adapter (one that uses a compactflash card) and that one seems to work flawlessly. |
| 17:42:47 | cockroach | i.e. it's only rockbox + iflash + sdcard |
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| 17:44:44 | cockroach | good thing I just ordered a big sd card ... |
| 17:45:31 | gevaerts | CF cards are directly ATA compatible (at least not the very old ones), so CF adapters tend to be simple passthrough |
| 17:46:21 | cockroach | ah right, that makes some sense then. |
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| 17:53:36 | cockroach | Lonoxmont: I managed to revive the 512-bytes-per-sector ipod, the same thing happens there too, so it's not limited to 2k ipods |
| 17:56:04 | Lonoxmont | thats weird |
| 17:56:13 | Lonoxmont | hopefully we can work with iflash on this |
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| 18:03:42 | cockroach | hmm, I wonder whether I have an account on the forums. *some*body has one with my name, but I'm not sure whether that's me or not :) |
| 18:04:18 | Lonoxmont | thankfully my name is rare enough that usually i dont have that issue :V |
| 18:04:27 | cockroach | indeed! |
| 18:05:02 | gevaerts | I can look at that account and confirm if you like |
| 18:05:48 | cockroach | oh, that would be nice |
| 18:06:54 | gevaerts | Username "cockroach"? |
| 18:06:59 | cockroach | yes |
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| 18:08:34 | * | gevaerts now tries to think of an authentication method that does not leak data :) |
| 18:08:42 | cockroach | heh, same here :) |
| 18:08:53 | cockroach | let me /query you |
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| 18:58:08 | Nugettes | Hi I successfuly installed rockbox to my Ipod but was still left with 128gb. Although if I format im left with only the rockbox firmware and the apple firmware gone after format? Looks like I dont have the option to keep both firmware. |
| 18:59:13 | Nugettes | Any ideas to work around this problem? |
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| 19:04:16 | Nugettes | __builtin |
| 19:11:06 | Lonoxmont | Nugettes: lok into using the gparted livecd to extend the fat32 partition on your ipod |
| 19:11:09 | Lonoxmont | look |
| 19:11:23 | Lonoxmont | its what i use for most dicking around with partitions |
| 19:11:34 | _Bilgus | yeah good idea use LINUX |
| 19:11:37 | _Bilgus | :p |
| 19:12:18 | Nugettes | Hmmm |
| 19:12:20 | Lonoxmont | a livecd wont touch your machine unless you tell it to |
| 19:12:26 | Lonoxmont | so its relatively safe |
| 19:12:45 | Nugettes | Ah |
| 19:12:48 | Lonoxmont | you can also use a usb drive instead of a cd if you want but thats usually not as universal in most pc firmware |
| 19:13:40 | Nugettes | How much space would a usb need? |
| 19:13:43 | Nugettes | i mean a cd |
| 19:14:05 | Lonoxmont | a cd holds ~700mb so thats what the image you would be burning to it maxes out at |
| 19:14:18 | Lonoxmont | i dont think gparted live is that big |
| 19:14:48 | Nugettes | Hmmm |
| 19:15:33 | Nugettes | Thats strange i individually selerated all four disc and formatted all to fat32 ... then inserted them back in |
| 19:15:43 | Lonoxmont | yeah that wont work |
| 19:15:50 | Nugettes | Ah |
| 19:15:55 | Lonoxmont | that just makes 4 individual fat32 filesystems |
| 19:16:00 | Lonoxmont | they dont automatically add together |
| 19:16:13 | Nugettes | How would I keep the apple firmware after I format? |
| 19:16:21 | Lonoxmont | by not reformatting at all |
| 19:16:34 | Lonoxmont | its possible to use software to resize a partition as long as you have space on the device to do it in |
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| 19:18:00 | Nugettes | I was told to keep both rockbox and apple firmware to keep diskmode just incase any emergencies although i came across a problem whenI format the apple firmware is wiped and if I restart it with Itunes it goes back to 128gb |
| 19:18:33 | Lonoxmont | alright so |
| 19:18:35 | Nugettes | Resizing the partition didnt work for me either all it showed was 128gb as well |
| 19:18:40 | Lonoxmont | i think for us to give you any meaningful support |
| 19:18:44 | Lonoxmont | you are going to need to learn some things |
| 19:18:52 | Nugettes | Right |
| 19:19:32 | Lonoxmont | go read up on the difference between a partition and a filesystem, the difference between reformatting and resizing is |
| 19:20:09 | Nugettes | Ok |
| 19:20:09 | Lonoxmont | read up what a livecd is, how to burn one |
| 19:20:15 | Lonoxmont | get gparted live, look up how to work it |
| 19:21:17 | Nugettes | Yea I know what a Livecd is and how formstting and resizing works although when resizing it was still limited to 127gb |
| 19:21:58 | Lonoxmont | you need to be in an operating system that can see how large the storage actually is on the ipod |
| 19:21:59 | Nugettes | Im not sure how to find the rest of the unallocated space. |
| 19:22:11 | Nugettes | Ah ok |
| 19:22:30 | Lonoxmont | if itunes or whatever you are using takes the partition table as gospel as to the size of the storage, you arent going to get anywhere unless you can change that table |
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| 19:22:49 | Nugettes | Oh |
| 19:23:20 | Lonoxmont | so i would reccomend gparted livecd, boot one of your computers into that and connect the ipod |
| 19:23:31 | Nugettes | It worked before... but I got rid of apple |
| 19:23:35 | Lonoxmont | it should then show up in gparted as a device you can edit and then you should be able to extend the partition |
| 19:23:50 | Lonoxmont | you probably wiped the entire thing and started from scratch with a fresh partitintable |
| 19:24:04 | Lonoxmont | doing so will wipe out the firmware partition apple uses for its firmware that is installed by itunes |
| 19:24:12 | Nugettes | Yea |
| 19:24:41 | Lonoxmont | again, it should be possible to modify the existing fat32 partition using software that can see past what the ipod is reporting |
| 19:24:54 | Lonoxmont | which is easiest in a non-windows environment |
| 19:26:02 | Lonoxmont | i am familiar with the gparted livecd environment and can walk you through it if you set that up |
| 19:26:02 | Nugettes | That would be easy If I had a livecd to run on the computer. |
| 19:26:15 | Lonoxmont | all you need is a writeable cd or a usb drive you arent using |
| 19:26:25 | Nugettes | Ah. Ok |
| 19:27:03 | Nugettes | I'll have to look for a cd |
| 19:29:32 | Nugettes | Then what will I do? |
| 19:29:37 | Lonoxmont | a usb drive you dont mind wiping will also work |
| 19:29:55 | Lonoxmont | you download the iso image and use whatever burning software you have to write it to the cd |
| 19:30:12 | Lonoxmont | let me check and see what i use on windows... |
| 19:30:50 | Lonoxmont | https://www.imgburn.com/ these guys |
| 19:31:18 | Lonoxmont | this also assumes you have a drive capable of writing a cd, which in theory you should have on a computer new enough to run windows 7 |
| 19:31:24 | Lonoxmont | idk about the vista machine, it might be too old |
| 19:31:36 | Lonoxmont | it should mention cd writing somewhere on the face of the drive |
| 19:32:05 | Nugettes | Hmm ok |
| 19:34:29 | Nugettes | This shouldn't be to hard. It shows step by step imageson how to do it |
| 19:38:54 | Lonoxmont | also you will probably have to have the ipod in disk mode to get at the entire storage |
| 19:39:03 | Lonoxmont | idk if it will show the whole storage running normally |
| 19:39:11 | Nugettes | Oh |
| 19:39:33 | Nugettes | Disk image runs by pressing certain buttons? |
| 19:39:56 | Lonoxmont | dusk mode is usually select+play/pause at boot of ipod |
| 19:39:59 | Lonoxmont | disk mode |
| 19:40:24 | Lonoxmont | so reboot with select+menu then immediately switch down to select+play/pause once it reboots |
| 19:42:39 | Nugettes | Ok but first I have to find a CD |
| 19:43:01 | Lonoxmont | you can also use a usb drive that you dont mind wiping |
| 19:45:01 | Nugettes | Hmm I dont have any usb |
| 19:48:28 | Nugettes | What If The cd doesnt boot after I installed the Live firmware |
| 19:52:29 | Lonoxmont | you might need to go into the firmware on your pc and adjust the boot order to include the cd drive, if it doesnt just let you outright pick where to boot from as a one-off |
| 19:52:44 | Lonoxmont | usually to get there its one of the function keys while it is booting |
| 19:53:01 | Lonoxmont | common ones are f8, f12, sometimes f2 |
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| 19:53:32 | Lonoxmont | i cant tell form here which one it is for your specific machine but usually there should be text on the screen saying press whatever to get to setup |
| 19:53:41 | Lonoxmont | or press whatever for boot options |
| 19:56:18 | Nugettes | Ah ok |
| 19:57:03 | Nugettes | wouldn't a blue screen with BIOS show up to select the specific Os you would want to boot after pressing F12 |
| 19:57:32 | Lonoxmont | quite possible, again i dont have your machine in front of me to test but yes it hsould let you select where to boot from |
| 19:57:50 | Lonoxmont | you would want in this case to boot from the cd drive that has the livecd in it |
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| 19:59:03 | Nugettes | Ok |
| 19:59:05 | Lonoxmont | also, if you havent already, have some method of getting onto irc that isnt the machine you are booting into the livecd |
| 19:59:22 | Lonoxmont | the livecd does have networking support but its probably going to be unfamiliar to get to |
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| 20:00:26 | Nugettes | Ok |
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| 20:01:26 | speachy | was there anyone out there with an archos target willing to be a guinea pig? |
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| 22:34:49 | dimqua | Hi. Are there any recommendations on how to encode music for Rockbox players? And/or Sansa Clip+ specifically. |
| 22:38:54 | speachy | rockbox supports pretty much every codec that's commonly used, and several that don't. |
| 22:39:44 | speachy | other than being careful of mp4 (bigger files can cause rockbox to choke; this is a problem inherent to mp4 unfortunately) pretty much go with whatever sounds good to your ears. |
| 22:40:41 | speachy | newer codecs produce better quality for a given file size, and the clip+ is fast enough to play any format. |
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| 22:47:36 | Lonoxmont | speachy: what devices are archos targets? |
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| 22:52:01 | gevaerts | If you have to ask, you don't have one :) |
| 22:52:12 | gevaerts | The Archos targets are the ones made by Archos |
| 22:58:40 | _Bilgus | dimqua, mp3/flac/opus |
| 22:59:51 | _Bilgus | if you have the room + quality source of recordings flac |
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| 23:00:22 | _Bilgus | mp3 will be the easiest on battery life |
| 23:02:01 | _Bilgus | cockroach, thanks for the write up |
| 23:02:08 | _Bilgus | stickied. |
| 23:03:08 | cockroach | _Bilgus: you're welcome |
| 23:04:00 | cockroach | and thanks for making it sticky, I feel honoured :) |
| 23:04:04 | _Bilgus | I also added linux to your list of things needed |
| 23:04:19 | dimqua | _Bilgus: even mp3 320? |
| 23:04:30 | cockroach | ah yes, that makes sense |
| 23:04:41 | _Bilgus | dimqua sure |
| 23:05:25 | dimqua | is opus, for example, much battery-hungry? |
| 23:05:44 | _Bilgus | uh let me find the comparison webpage |
| 23:06:21 | cockroach | (also, the kangaroo thing might be the greatest spam protection ever) |
| 23:06:55 | Lonoxmont | kangaroo thing? |
| 23:09:05 | cockroach | the captcha on the forums |
| 23:09:35 | _Bilgus | https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison#AMS_AS3525v2_w_47_96MHz_PClK_40ARM926EJ_45S_41 |
| 23:09:53 | _Bilgus | dimqua scroll down till you get to the clipzip one |
| 23:11:08 | _Bilgus | probably easier to just search for Clip Zip |
| 23:11:30 | _Bilgus | anyways those results are a bit old but will still give you an idea |
| 23:12:58 | _Bilgus | if it was 100% or less of runtime then the device is going to skip |
| 23:13:16 | _Bilgus | so read it as higher % = better battery life |
| 23:13:46 | dimqua | _Bilgus: do you mean "realtime"? |
| 23:13:57 | _Bilgus | yes sorry realtime |
| 23:14:27 | gevaerts | Well, 100% would not leave anything for other stuff, so realistically you need 120% or so |
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| 23:18:45 | dimqua | _Bilgus: FLAC has 2500% realtime, mp3 has 700-800%. Does it mean FLAC is easier on battery? |
| 23:19:33 | _Bilgus | sure bu hard on space |
| 23:19:43 | _Bilgus | flac takes up more room per file |
| 23:19:54 | _Bilgus | but is higher quality |
| 23:20:21 | dimqua | Why not choose Musepack, for example? |
| 23:20:30 | _Bilgus | well garbage in garbage out but if given good quality original file then it will be good quality out |
| 23:21:26 | _Bilgus | never tried it I have mp3 flac and opus thats probably tes same for most people |
| 23:21:38 | _Bilgus | the* |
| 23:22:59 | dimqua | tbh I think it's a bit pointless to encode (by yourself) to such a popular format such as mp3, since you can download it anywhere. :-) |
| 23:24:37 | _Bilgus | depends a lot on space, file quality, what your other devices support |
| 23:26:32 | dimqua | do any of you think it worth using WavPack Lossy? |
| 23:26:52 | gevaerts | On hard disk devices, larger files means more disk spinups, which means more power usage that way |
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| 23:48:18 | speachy | Lonoxmont, the archos targets are the very first devices Rockbox was written for. They are... very, very obsolete. |
| 23:53:10 | speachy | and are also the only ones to do the codec (mp3 only) in hardware. |
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| 23:54:52 | _Bilgus | are are going to be removed (soon?) |
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