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| 00:58:41 | _Bilgus | I think they are our own versions |
| 00:58:56 | _Bilgus | maybe posix IDR |
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| 05:39:38 | _Bilgus | yes posix: https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/master/firmware/common/file.c#L799 |
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| 18:02:56 | applebar | hola gamers |
| 18:03:04 | applebar | how's everyone doing today? |
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| 18:16:48 | * | speachy is just peachy today. |
| 18:17:21 | gevaerts | speachy's peachy? :) |
| 18:17:32 | speachy | well, only on days ending in Y |
| 18:17:43 | gevaerts | :) |
| 18:17:57 | applebar | that's good to hear |
| 18:18:18 | applebar | hey, apparently there's a rockbox android app? |
| 18:18:32 | applebar | how does it stack up against other android music player apps? |
| 18:18:34 | speachy | yes, but it doesn't work on >= 4.4 |
| 18:18:40 | speachy | er, >4.4 |
| 18:19:13 | applebar | like, doesn't even start? |
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| 18:19:57 | speachy | basically |
| 18:20:56 | speachy | also the UI paradigm doesn't map well to touch interfaces. |
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| 18:26:31 | applebar | apparently there's work in the chinese rockbox community to get the app working on lollipop and above |
| 18:26:33 | applebar | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,14177.msg241498.html#msg241498 |
| 18:26:59 | applebar | i wonder if any of that work got merged into the mainline project |
| 18:32:48 | speachy | nope |
| 18:33:12 | speachy | AFAIK no source for that was ever published |
| 18:36:38 | applebar | So this isn't it? |
| 18:36:40 | applebar | https://github.com/Rockbox-Chinese-Community/Rockbox-RCC |
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| 18:38:21 | speachy | thare have been almost no changes in the android/ subdirectory, and what chances there are seem to be trivial. |
| 18:38:44 | applebar | shucks |
| 18:39:11 | applebar | so what exactly is stopping the app from launching on newer versions of android? |
| 18:39:59 | speachy | changed APIs for always-on stuff. |
| 18:40:39 | speachy | and probably plenty of others, but that's the biggue |
| 18:41:01 | speachy | someone comfortable with Android stuff could probably knock this out in relatively short order |
| 18:41:12 | speachy | but that describes nobody here |
| 18:45:59 | speachy | the diffstat on that repo between master is +7108-584 |
| 18:47:30 | pixelma | wasn't the problem dalvik => art and requiring some changes in a very lowlevel port of Rockbox? |
| 18:47:40 | pixelma | s/port/part |
| 18:48:29 | speachy | AFAIK the NDK portion (ie most of the code) remains unchanged, but it's possible the interface betweeen the native code and the "java" code needs changing too. |
| 18:49:21 | speachy | plus rockbox is fixed to a specific screen size at compile time |
| 18:49:28 | pixelma | if it needs to be done right. I believe there was a hack by wodz to make it run at all but that was not done "right" |
| 18:49:57 | speachy | long story short.. needs a decent amount of work by someone who knows what they're doing. |
| 18:58:18 | speachy | I take that back; there are some non-trivial changes in the RCC tree.. but I can't tell if it's targeting a newer base API |
| 18:59:32 | applebar | hey, is the bountysource here official? |
| 18:59:33 | applebar | https://www.bountysource.com/teams/rockbox |
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| 19:01:06 | speachy | never heard of that. |
| 19:04:21 | gevaerts | I can't find anything about that in my irc logs that go back to 2008 |
| 19:05:40 | speachy | still grepping the irc logs |
| 19:06:42 | speachy | no reference, period. nothing on any of the www sites either. |
| 19:07:57 | speachy | or forum. |
| 19:16:39 | applebar | Well, maybe setting up an official one would be a good idea |
| 19:18:08 | applebar | basically the gist of the site is that software developers can get paid for working on features or fixing bugs |
| 19:19:06 | applebar | i'd throw some money towards the project if it meant that the Android app got fixed for newer versions and had dynamic resolution support |
| 19:19:58 | speachy | fixed resolution is _deeply_ baked into rockbox's internals |
| 19:23:11 | applebar | did this patch ever get merged in? |
| 19:23:12 | applebar | https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11615 |
| 19:26:18 | _Bilgus | re: bounty source, WTF owns the $$ till its disbursed |
| 19:27:22 | _Bilgus | And the user has to pay upfront and wait to get a fix / won't fix to get a refund? |
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| 19:27:47 | _Bilgus | so who owns that account then? |
| 19:28:06 | applebar | idk who owns the account |
| 19:28:16 | applebar | but bountysource has a page explaining how it works here: https://github.com/bountysource/core/wiki/Frequently-Asked-Questions |
| 19:28:29 | speachy | other than the generic paypal donation link (to offset fixed administrative/hosting/etc costs) I would personally stay far away from accepting any funding. |
| 19:28:44 | * | __builtin didn't know we had a bounty program! |
| 19:28:55 | applebar | they don't |
| 19:29:03 | applebar | but it's not a bad idea in principle |
| 19:29:04 | speachy | __builtin, and we still don't. :D |
| 19:29:36 | __builtin | I don't think many of our devs would be motivated by a bounty anyway |
| 19:29:53 | __builtin | many of the handful of semi-active devs that are still around, that is |
| 19:30:29 | * | speachy would be curious to see what the typical annual turnover on that paypal link turns out to be.. |
| 19:30:32 | applebar | might attract new devs though |
| 19:31:03 | _Bilgus | Maybe but I doubt it |
| 19:31:05 | __builtin | I think that's a question for bjorn |
| 19:31:10 | mendel_munkis | applebar: thanks for pointing out that patch. it may help me with some other stuff I have on the back burner |
| 19:31:28 | speachy | but back to fs#1165, never was applied, and the patch is far from applying cleanly to current code.. |
| 19:31:29 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1165 Misbehavior in "Set Time/Date" screen (NOT a settings loss) (bugs, closed) |
| 19:31:43 | speachy | whoops, 11615.. |
| 19:31:59 | _Bilgus | If that becomes a thing I don't want the bounty like gentleman agreement to give donate it back to project? |
| 19:32:00 | applebar | at least it's a starting point |
| 19:33:14 | _Bilgus | fs#11615 |
| 19:33:15 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11615 Dynamic screen size (patches, new) |
| 19:33:24 | applebar | so, the individual developers would agree to distribute the money equally amongst the project for solving issues? _Bilgus |
| 19:34:33 | _Bilgus | like any bounty recv'd will be donated back to Rockbox to be used as the project sees fit |
| 19:34:35 | speachy | that patch is going to grow the binary size a bit. might be the death knoll for the sh targets at long last. |
| 19:35:04 | _Bilgus | speachy that patch probably adds ALOT of extra overhead too |
| 19:35:11 | __builtin | it's also 10 years old, so merging it will not be easy |
| 19:35:35 | speachy | not to mention the need to bundle variously-sized resources on targets that can truly change sizes |
| 19:35:50 | applebar | true, but the idea of the bounty system is for the users to have some input as to what gets fixed/worked on |
| 19:36:07 | speachy | what users? :D |
| 19:36:27 | _Bilgus | I'd almost rather resample, devices that need it have the HP to so it |
| 19:36:29 | speachy | to be blunt, we're far better served by putting any effort into new/current hardware |
| 19:36:31 | __builtin | re: bounty, the usual path for a "user who wants something badly" to actual get it is to become a dev |
| 19:36:41 | applebar | well, since i'm here, and since i'm not a dev, i'm tentatively saying that may quite possible me a user |
| 19:36:55 | applebar | dang i really had a stroke while writing that sentence |
| 19:37:09 | applebar | *tentatively saying that i may quite possibly be a user |
| 19:37:25 | applebar | so we know there's one user, at least |
| 19:37:29 | _Bilgus | they have classes to help you with that applebar |
| 19:37:52 | applebar | writing a sentence, or becoming a dev? |
| 19:38:00 | _Bilgus | being a user |
| 19:38:20 | __builtin | we *do* also have fairly good new-dev resources |
| 19:38:34 | speachy | and the onramping is easier than it used to be |
| 19:39:01 | speachy | if we rewrote it all in javascript that would attract more developers! |
| 19:39:11 | applebar | oh god please no |
| 19:39:19 | applebar | don't even make me think about electron rockbox |
| 19:39:35 | _Bilgus | \s doesn't come out well in IRC sorry if I offended you |
| 19:39:47 | applebar | huh, when you think about it, an electron rockbox is just a fancy name for a battery |
| 19:39:49 | mendel_munkis | _Bilgus, speachy __builtin: I dont plan on using the patch I just think that it may contain the solution to a different issue I have |
| 19:40:15 | _Bilgus | mendel_munkis, which patch? |
| 19:40:22 | applebar | the dynamic resolution patch |
| 19:40:33 | applebar | fs#11615 |
| 19:40:34 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11615 Dynamic screen size (patches, new) |
| 19:40:44 | speachy | I agree, 11615 is something that IMO should get cleaned up and strongly considered |
| 19:41:07 | mendel_munkis | speachy: you really dont like sh do you? |
| 19:41:48 | speachy | eh, I'm largely indifferent to sh; it's just that all of our sh targets are also the only hwcodec targets and also the ones that are the most resource-constrained |
| 19:42:52 | speachy | I don't want to let supporting those old targets prevent us from adding new capabilities |
| 19:43:08 | _Bilgus | ^^ |
| 19:43:17 | speachy | otherwise, by all means, we can keep them around forever+day |
| 19:43:45 | _Bilgus | it also has a lot of ifdef junk littered all over the codebase |
| 19:44:27 | speachy | I thought the toolchain bump I'm working on would be a good excuse to kill sh, but.. instead, the new toolchain actually improved the situation. |
| 19:44:52 | speachy | (and unexpectedly, the PortalPlayer targets turned out to be the holdup..) |
| 19:45:19 | mendel_munkis | maybe for version 4 |
| 19:46:41 | speachy | ironically, the newest targets are among the more resource constrained, as they only have ~6-8MB of RAM to work with (out of 32) due to the fixed overhead of the hosted linux environment. |
| 19:47:02 | speachy | but they have oodles of spare CPU cycles |
| 19:47:10 | mendel_munkis | the real qustion is if its possible to remove the hosted linux |
| 19:47:45 | __builtin | unlikely |
| 19:48:04 | speachy | possible? absolutely! worth the effort? that's a lot more debatable, given that if datasheets exist, they are only in Chinese. |
| 19:48:28 | speachy | we don't even have the required-by-GPL Linux kernel sources. |
| 19:49:42 | speachy | being able to rebuild the linux environment would be hugely beneficial |
| 19:55:20 | speachy | applebar, in all seriousness, fixing up that patch to apply against the current codebase would be a good way to embark on the lucrative path of becoming a rockbox developer. |
| 19:56:29 | applebar | > in all seriousness |
| 19:56:30 | applebar | > lucrative |
| 19:56:35 | applebar | you sure about that? |
| 19:56:45 | speachy | what price can you place on knowledge? |
| 19:57:12 | applebar | at least $30,000 a year according to U.S. colleges |
| 19:59:09 | speachy | there you have it, rockbox is an absolute bargain! |
| 19:59:24 | applebar | fair point |
| 19:59:42 | applebar | maybe i can help out with the theming side of things as a start |
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| 20:00:01 | applebar | i actually have graphic design knowledge, for one |
| 20:00:28 | speachy | all contributions are useful |
| 20:02:00 | applebar | so, as far as the theming side of things go, does each theme have to be remade for each different device? |
| 20:02:13 | _Bilgus | buddy you have fun with that theme engine its a unforgiving mistress |
| 20:02:20 | speachy | no, themes are keyed off of screen size/resolution |
| 20:02:22 | _Bilgus | an* |
| 20:02:42 | mendel_munkis | speachy not colors? |
| 20:02:53 | applebar | so each theme works on all devices? |
| 20:02:53 | speachy | whoops, I meant to say bit depth |
| 20:03:13 | speachy | but IIRC you can use a lower bit depth theme on a higher bit depth device. |
| 20:04:26 | speachy | applebar, yes, if two devices share teh same screen size and color depth, they can use the same themes |
| 20:08:18 | applebar | it'd be cool to try and get a standard suite of themes across all devices |
| 20:08:58 | speachy | there is some device-specific functionality that themes can expose, and for that the so-called 'checkwps' tool will tell you if it's compatible with a given target. |
| 20:09:57 | speachy | which, as of a few days ago, has one fewer segfault-inducing buffer overflow bug! |
| 20:10:30 | applebar | horray! |
| 20:12:32 | _Bilgus | saratoga you around? your email on the forum is bad |
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