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| 07:29:48 | efqw | About the controlled build vm, you could mostly do away with some kind of ubuntu, and possibly support everything else on a best-effort basis. |
| 07:31:28 | efqw | Ubuntu is not the best distribution for various reasons that I'm not going to get into, but I still trust it the most for building large software projects. |
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| 07:36:49 | speachy | once an "official" build environment is created, then everything else bitrots and effectively all development of build environments ceases. |
| 07:37:40 | speachy | plus, speaking personally, I don't actually use ubuntu for anything. rubs me the wrong way on multiple levels. it's all the quirks of debian (and then some) minus the principles that make it worth putting up with |
| 07:39:32 | speachy | I've put a lot of work into fixing issues with the build environment; arguably all that's needed is a "cut-n-paste this apt-install cmdline to get everything that isn't isntalled by default" |
| 07:40:07 | speachy | and that cmdline/list can be maintained by folks who actually use that distro. |
| 07:40:49 | speachy | we build everything from source, even the toolchains, in no small part because we don't want to have to depend on anything. (Other than GNU tools.. :D) |
| 07:48:35 | speachy | (at $dayjob I'm dealing with a _very_ brittle tool that only functions properly on a single ubuntu release. And even then only bog-default configurations. and also requires passwordless sudo to be available..) |
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| 08:30:47 | efqw | FYI the ingenic X1000E SDK still asks for ubuntu trusty. |
| 08:31:17 | efqw | I ignored it and went with xenial, and everything still worked. |
| 08:35:34 | speachy | phew, looks like they rely on a hacked gcc 4.7 |
| 08:36:00 | speachy | so the odds are we won't trip over unexpected behaviour from a newer toolchain |
| 08:36:43 | speachy | we'll eventually want to build our own toolchain from source, which shouldn't be a problem. |
| 08:37:13 | speachy | (since we don't use the xburst extensions that were never contributed to gcc upstream) |
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| 08:38:44 | speachy | huh, looks like Ingenic just announced the X2000 |
| 08:39:41 | speachy | dual core, up to 1.5GHz, plus a small realtime "security" core that application writers don't get to touch. |
| 08:40:07 | speachy | aka the Halley5 |
| 08:42:13 | speachy | 128 or 256MB RAM on-package |
| 08:46:10 | speachy | aaand looks like a bot is trying to create a bunch of spammy accounts in the bugtracker |
| 08:50:41 | efqw | I've read about the X2000 last month, I wonder what kind of devices will they show up in. |
| 08:50:54 | speachy | more IoT shovelware? :) |
| 08:51:44 | efqw | Pretty much. And if we were lucky, more DAPs. |
| 08:55:00 | efqw | Interestingly x1830 has been used in one of those retro emulator consoles lately. |
| 08:55:05 | speachy | touchstreen, wifi-connected, app-enabled "DAP"s |
| 08:55:43 | efqw | Well, probably no apps but it'll be touchscreen no doubt |
| 08:56:44 | speachy | depends on the price then. unless the X2K is cheaper than the X1K there's no reason to use it. |
| 08:57:01 | speachy | because if you're not going to use the fancy capabilities it gives, why incur the price? |
| 08:58:04 | efqw | The x1000e DAPs will probably be around for a while, just like the old jz4760[b] stuff. |
| 08:58:24 | efqw | So it would be quite nice to have rb on more x1000e players. |
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| 14:14:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | speachy, ping! |
| 14:14:54 | speachy | yep? |
| 14:16:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm not on the mailing list but I saw you're looking for people to help test builds with the newer toolchain components. |
| 14:17:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | I can do a test with my H300 so you can have an m68k target tested. |
| 14:18:04 | speachy | I think we're actually okay on the m68k side of things. The problem child turned out to be portalplayer ARMs. |
| 14:19:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ahh, okay. |
| 14:20:39 | speachy | ipodcolor is still broken with -Os. That's the main holdup. |
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| 14:21:17 | speachy | once archos/sh is gone I'll pick that stuff back up again. |
| 14:22:00 | speachy | actually there is one thing you could do −− take a current build and run the codecbench on an opus file |
| 14:24:07 | speachy | (on the h300 I mean) |
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| 14:45:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | I haven't got any opus encoded files. |
| 14:48:05 | Strife89 | You will in a minute. :) |
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| 15:01:47 | Strife89 | LambdaCalculus37: https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=VZxLSakZXvuiL14MCXJlxD02KCA3n0YWX9J7 |
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| 15:10:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Strife89, thanks! |
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| 15:21:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Building on the current version with test codecs enabled now. |
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| 15:40:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | speachy, first Opus file Strife89 gave gave the following results with test_codec: Decode time 57.13s, File duration 106.16s, 185.82% realtime, 66.83 MHz needed for realtime. |
| 15:40:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | That's regular speed test. |
| 15:41:10 | speachy | thank you |
| 15:42:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | With DSP test, same file decoded in 64.88s and was at 163.62% realtime. |
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| 15:43:25 | __Bilgus_ | speachy g#2551 has a few things that are suspect |
| 15:43:27 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #2551 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/2551 : [4/4] Remove HAVE_LCD_BITMAP, as it's now the only choice. by Solomon Peachy |
| 15:43:33 | speachy | I saw the email |
| 15:43:51 | speachy | I also added g#2557 removing a few more stragglers |
| 15:43:53 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #2557 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/2557 : do_menu pass internal synclist reference to callback by William Wilgus |
| 15:44:03 | speachy | er, g#2577 |
| 15:44:05 | fs-bluebot | Gerrit review #2577 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/2577 : [5/4] Remove the archos-specific flash and uclpack tools by Solomon Peachy |
| 15:45:57 | __Bilgus_ | does that affect anything else that uses ucl? |
| 15:46:22 | speachy | nothing seemed to use it based on a quick grep. |
| 15:46:25 | __Bilgus_ | I was under the impression all the sansas use ucl pack / upack |
| 15:47:04 | __Bilgus_ | maybe there is another route or something? |
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| 15:49:36 | speachy | uclpack was only listed as a tool |
| 15:49:45 | __Bilgus_ | https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/master/rbutil/mkamsboot/dualboot/Makefile#L41 |
| 15:50:17 | speachy | whelp, time to redo that patch then. :) |
| 15:50:25 | Strife89 | It turns out that .opus test files exist here already: http://download.rockbox.org/test_files/ |
| 15:51:11 | Strife89 | It also turns out that I have no clue how to use wget :') |
| 15:53:42 | Lonoxmont | lol |
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| 16:02:01 | speachy | __Bilgus_, it should be okay to remove it from the default make targets though, right? |
| 16:03:09 | speachy | s/it/uclpack/ |
| 16:05:42 | speachy | okay, the non-ucl parts of the 5/4 patch are merged into the 1st, and the problems with 4/4 are fixed, I think. |
| 16:10:01 | speachy | __Bilgus_ it almost seems like we should have some sort of ceremony to mark this occasion |
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| 16:22:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Wait, you guys are tearing HWCODEC completely out of the codebase? |
| 16:23:34 | speachy | yep |
| 16:24:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Welp, guess it's gonna be the end of an era, then. |
| 16:24:31 | speachy | tbh the charcell display was actually more of an impact to the codebase than hwcodec. |
| 16:25:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | I was figuring you guys would've probably split the Archos code completely off and had one codebase for just those targets, and the main one for the other targets. |
| 16:25:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I guess nothing lasts forever. |
| 16:25:43 | speachy | most of the hwcodec code was closely tied with the sh/archos port code, and not terribly portable should any future hwcodec platform come up |
| 16:27:05 | speachy | s/future/viable/ |
| 16:27:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | At this point, I doubt very much another HWCODEC target would ever show up. Any opportunities to add such haven't been done years ago and probably won't be done now. |
| 16:30:36 | speachy | most of the low-end players on the market are hwcodec targets now (eg atj2127 and rknano) |
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| 16:33:47 | speachy | with ludicrously tiny amounts of RAM (especially the atj with its 88KB...) |
| 16:35:26 | speachy | s/most/all/ |
| 16:35:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Yikes! 88KB is even less than what the Archos targets had! |
| 16:36:13 | speachy | they execute code from flash and presumably directly DMA the audio file data from the SD card |
| 16:36:57 | speachy | each gen of the rknano has more ram; the latest I think has closer to 1MB. |
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| 16:40:03 | Strife89 | https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=XZiCSakZNJqEXiCxCI8EsVPvmasuqXBYorb7 Finally got the footage uploaded. |
| 16:41:36 | johnb2 | speachy : does Sansa e200 (v1) fall into the portalplayer ARM category? |
| 16:41:58 | johnb2 | for testing the new toolchain ... |
| 16:42:32 | speachy | yeah, it's a PP5024 |
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| 16:42:45 | speachy | I can toss you a build if you'd like |
| 16:44:21 | speachy | (it would be with the existing toolchain bit with -Os optimization; this breaks on the ipodcolor but works with the mini2g) |
| 16:45:48 | johnb2 | ok, I can run tests then tomorrow. |
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| 16:50:03 | speachy | johnb2, http://www.shaftnet.org/~pizza/rb-e200-af51da.zip |
| 16:50:26 | speachy | if that works (and it will be immediately obvious IMO) I will generate something with the newer toolchain. |
| 16:56:20 | johnb2 | it boots and plays mp3 |
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| 17:01:33 | speachy | johnb2, http://www.shaftnet.org/~pizza/rb-e200-af51da-494.zip |
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| 17:11:19 | johnb2 | works also |
| 17:11:46 | speachy | okay, good data point. thank you |
| 17:11:58 | speachy | just need to figure out WTF is up with the ipodcolor |
| 17:12:05 | johnb2 | welcome |
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| 19:26:30 | __Bilgus_ | speachy sorry I was AFK |
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| 19:30:18 | __Bilgus_ | LambdaCalculus37 The plan was/is to just leave a branch at 3.15 for those old targets |
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| 19:31:12 | __Bilgus_ | then someone can pick it up if they really want it but we won't be supporting them anymore or coding around it |
| 19:31:38 | __Bilgus_ | speachy default make targets? |
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| 20:31:01 | speachy | __Bilgus_, I went back and left ucl completely alone. |
| 20:31:43 | __Bilgus_ | did you look at any of the code in UCL? |
| 20:32:51 | __Bilgus_ | http://www.oberhumer.com/opensource/ucl/ |
| 20:38:41 | speachy | once you pointed out where it was still being used, I nuked that 5/4 patch and folded the non-ucl bits into 1/4. |
| 20:39:29 | __Bilgus_ | it'd be nice to have the compression on device but I bet it'd be slowwwww |
| 20:41:44 | speachy | no, I didn't look into it beyond that |
| 20:42:29 | __Bilgus_ | pretty neat :) |
| 20:48:10 | speachy | so things are ready to land; I have a commit for the www side to disable the archos builds; once the commits land in master the infra will pick up the new status from builds.pm and update accordingly. |
| 20:48:20 | speachy | Though I suppose I should set a tag first |
| 20:57:23 | __Bilgus_ | Did you bump the plugin API in any of those patches? |
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| 21:02:59 | speachy | not yet |
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| 21:18:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | Saw the mail announcment... |
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| 21:18:14 | * | LambdaCalculus37 pours one out for the HWCODEC targets |
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| 21:18:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | RIP Archos devices. |
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| 21:20:16 | speachy | __Bilgus_, 4/4 updated with an API bump. |
| 21:20:57 | __Bilgus_ | I think I just need to push my patch within the same day and no one should be the wiser |
| 21:21:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | __Bilgus_, if you guys branch at 3.15, is that specific branch going to be HWCODEC code only or no? |
| 21:21:23 | speachy | I also have that remove-six-unusued-API-calls patch to followup too. |
| 21:22:04 | __Bilgus_ | so push them all together and no need to bump more than once |
| 21:22:20 | speachy | LambdaCalculus37, I figured we'd just set a tag right before the archos stuff goes away; no sense in creating a branch unless someone wants to maintain it. Which I doubt will happen. |
| 21:22:25 | mendelmunkis | LambdaCalculus37: 3.15 has been around for a while |
| 21:22:32 | __Bilgus_ | Lambda I'm not sure how that works in github |
| 21:22:48 | mendelmunkis | nvm I got confused with 3.14 sorry |
| 21:23:06 | __Bilgus_ | really nothing after 3.13? maybe older was even added to archos |
| 21:23:09 | speachy | well, 3.15 is now what, 8 months old? |
| 21:23:21 | speachy | 3.13 was the final recorderv1 release |
| 21:23:35 | speachy | since then there's just been whatever has landed in the core |
| 21:23:51 | __Bilgus_ | I suppose there could be some updates to core |
| 21:24:12 | __Bilgus_ | but no one has come foward saying they tested it so who knows |
| 21:24:28 | speachy | 3.13 was late 2013. :) |
| 21:24:56 | speachy | well, I did have at least one person test one of my gcc4.9.4 sh builds with a modded ondio |
| 21:25:51 | __Bilgus_ | well I guess 3.15 being the last official and wherever your mentioned build is to be the last dev? |
| 21:26:25 | speachy | dev builds older than 30 days are automatically deleted |
| 21:26:50 | speachy | but once the archos stuff is all marked as retired the www site (and theoretically, rbutil) will stop displaying the option to download dev builds |
| 21:27:08 | speachy | it'll just be the final release |
| 21:27:24 | speachy | like what is shown for recorderv1 |
| 21:29:16 | __Bilgus_ | who has the permissions for the github account? |
| 21:30:56 | speachy | zagor, scorche, bagder, and myself have admin access. |
| 21:31:15 | __Bilgus_ | we don't need the builds just a branch for anyone that wants it |
| 21:31:38 | __Bilgus_ | as far as compiled builds I think 3.15 is fine for em |
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| 21:33:02 | speachy | the github project is just a repo mirror and an oauth provider for gerrit. |
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| 21:46:10 | __Bilgus_ | oh we can't just put a branch there does it have to be mirrored only? |
| 21:46:58 | speachy | it would have to be a new repo |
| 21:47:21 | speachy | why not on the main repo? |
| 21:48:29 | speachy | (and, for that matter, why bother with a branch? just tag it, and if anyone cares enough to pick development back up, we can create the branch then..) |
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| 22:22:14 | __Bilgus_ | ah ok, that works |
| 22:24:37 | speachy | I figure tomorrow evening is a good time as any to drop the axe. |
| 22:24:54 | speachy | give the mailing list lurkers a chance to decry my awful judgement |
| 22:42:36 | __Bilgus_ | ok although I doubt many compelling arguments exist |
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| 23:16:47 | speachy | huh, I'm getting a "TLB refill handler" panic when I switch languages on the X3. I don't recall it doing that before. |
| 23:17:11 | speachy | it's basically a bogus pointer in a memcpy() |
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| 23:31:49 | speachy | fixed. kinda amazed this didn't come up before |
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| 23:36:08 | __Bilgus_ | found it a lot faster than I expected |
| 23:39:46 | speachy | me too |
| 23:40:29 | speachy | I figured starting at where changing language invoked a voice change was warranted |
| 23:47:15 | speachy | goes to show you how many corner cases are probably still lurking in the talk subsystem |
| 23:48:48 | speachy | oh, I can confirm that rbutil can now generate working voice files from up-to-date dev builds |
| 23:49:04 | speachy | from both complete and incomplete translations |
| 23:51:32 | __Bilgus_ | nice! |
| 23:52:28 | __Bilgus_ | I think there are lots of corner cases throughout lots of 'little' things like on off errors etc. |
| 23:53:24 | speachy | genlang still needs more de-spaghettifying TLC |
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