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| 08:02:14 | speachy | really can't figure out why 01650b8 shrank the code sizes on the hosted mips targets so much. |
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| 10:02:19 | speachy | with these last two commmits, I think we now have the LCD properly turning off with the backlight on the Rocker. Should buy us a little bit of battery life. |
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| 13:34:15 | speachy | random observation; evn the 1GHz X3ii can't handle mikmod with complex modules using the HQ mixer at >96KHz. |
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| 16:04:08 | johnb5 | speachy : thanks for lcd changes on x3ii. Now the screen really is black, when turned off. |
| 16:04:48 | johnb5 | would it be a big effort increasing the font size in the debug pages? |
| 16:04:57 | johnb5 | It is really tiny. |
| 16:06:46 | speachy | today was the first I've actually tried to use the X3ii in anger. the LCD stuff was done purely with the Rocker; I'm glad it was more widely applicable. |
| 16:08:54 | johnb5 | I do like the x3ii and its screen. As for the partial sluggishness, do you think that would be different on the hifi walker or do we even have some insight why the UI is slow? |
| 16:09:27 | speachy | my ears are still ringing a bit from the line out detection, but it's working properly finally. |
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| 16:10:30 | speachy | The screen really shouldn't be that bad; it's acting almost like we have a vsync problem. :) |
| 16:11:17 | speachy | so part of the update gets lost until the next update is triggered. |
| 16:11:44 | speachy | (eg I see the bottom half of the screen repaint, but the top doesn't..) |
| 16:12:21 | johnb5 | true |
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| 16:13:20 | speachy | I'm confident it's resolvable. |
| 16:14:06 | speachy | (if for no other reason than the stock UI performs better) |
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| 16:41:04 | johnb5 | I confirm the broken seeking. |
| 16:41:40 | johnb5 | it just progresses by pieces of seconds |
| 16:43:30 | genevino | fwiw it seems like there are 2 manufacturers with a device called x3ii: xduoo and fiio. |
| 16:43:44 | speachy | yeah. |
| 16:43:54 | genevino | i guess you're relating to the xduoo? |
| 16:44:01 | johnb5 | yep |
| 16:44:05 | speachy | yeah. we don't support any fiio devices yet. |
| 16:44:31 | genevino | ty :) |
| 16:47:19 | genevino | xdg-open: no method available for opening 'http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-agptekrocker.pdf' |
| 16:47:39 | genevino | apart from that xdg stuff: that URL gives a 404. :/ |
| 16:48:04 | speachy | the rocker manual does not exist yet. |
| 16:48:07 | genevino | and that should probably be https:// |
| 16:48:30 | genevino | ok |
| 16:48:32 | speachy | it's not force-https until we retire a couple of older rbutil versions |
| 16:48:45 | genevino | ah |
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| 17:01:29 | speachy | broke seeking on the rocker too. hmm. |
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| 17:35:16 | speachy | is the broken seeking a recent regression? if so, I'd appreciate it if someone could find the offending commit for me. I have too many irons in the fire right now |
| 17:45:14 | genevino | speachy: i updated just today to a release that points to 2 days ago (466156f0b57d057b0fd1744b63467eb04bedb86b) and i don't have any problems with seeking |
| 17:45:32 | genevino | speachy: that's the most recent one i get via rbutil |
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| 17:47:06 | speachy | ok. |
| 17:54:07 | genevino | speachy: i hear some weird "plopping" sound when switching tracks at the very beginning of the new track sometimes now, though. |
| 17:55:29 | genevino | that occurs sometimes, and not reproducably on always the same tracks. |
| 17:55:38 | speachy | x3ii or rocker? |
| 17:55:42 | genevino | rocker |
| 17:55:59 | speachy | ok. |
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| 18:01:56 | genevino | oh, now i can't skip tracks, it just forward-winds a couple of seconds instead of skipping to the next track. |
| 18:14:02 | genevino | ok when i reset settings it works again, maybe i overlooked something i explicitly (accidentally) configured. |
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| 18:18:24 | speachy | genevino, johhb5, I'll try to bisect things down to a specific commit but that probably won't happen tonight. |
| 18:18:54 | genevino | speachy: if i can anyhow help with my limited knowledge don't hesitate to ping me up. |
| 18:19:14 | genevino | speachy: and thx! |
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| 19:18:38 | genevino | https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07H9VGPSC/ <- these things here look promising considering the low price tag. can i somehow determine if these have hardware that could theoreticall run rockbox or not? |
| 19:20:49 | speachy | it's a Victure M5: https://www.govicture.com/m5 |
| 19:26:18 | speachy | it's all but guaranteed to be an actions ATJ2127 or Rockchip Nano. |
| 19:27:04 | speachy | (I looeked up the M3 a while ago) |
| 19:27:42 | speachy | and, to answer your question, it's never going to run anything recognizable as rockbox. |
| 19:29:42 | genevino | speachy: hm, why so? i mean what makes it actually impossible? sorry but i still don't understand what differentiates a capable device from one not. |
| 19:30:11 | speachy | they have enough cpu oomph, even without the hw decoders, but are highly lacking in the RAM department |
| 19:30:27 | speachy | the actions ones have something like 288KB RAM, total. |
| 19:30:55 | genevino | oooooof! |
| 19:30:56 | genevino | okay |
| 19:31:16 | speachy | the highest-end RKNano chips have ~1MB total RAM, but split across two processors. I think there's only ~96K accessible by both cores, if I remember the datasheet correctly |
| 19:32:02 | genevino | ok that's anything but a lot. |
| 19:33:56 | speachy | they have no provision for external RAM either. all decoding is done in hardware, essentially streamed directly over DMA from teh SD controller to the hw decoder to the DACs. the only thing running on the processor is basically the UI. |
| 19:34:34 | genevino | yeah ok that doesn't sound like a reasonable target. |
| 19:35:15 | genevino | it's crazy how much worse the original surfans f20 UI is compared to rockbox. |
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| 19:39:52 | speachy | _bilgus__: Thoughts on g#2786 |
| 19:40:43 | speachy | it hslps a bit with the X3 at higher bitrates but the high IRQ latency all but guarantees buffer underruns. Since the hardware can't do double-buffering, it's the end of the line. :/ |
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| 19:41:03 | speachy | it should help less pathological players though. |
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| 20:19:46 | speachy | it's looking like the culprit is 0a7b23097. |
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| 20:50:53 | _bilgus__ | speachy looks deceptively simple, I assume you mean the dynamic buffer we could oversize it and assuming theres enough fold it back into the audio buffer or something |
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| 20:53:08 | speachy | it works, just not well enough to keep the x3 from breaking up when mixing at really high rates. |
| 20:53:49 | speachy | making that buffer properly dynamic is what I'd prefer but there be dragons |
| 20:54:09 | _bilgus__ | are there high bitrate audio test files at those frequencies? |
| 20:55:03 | speachy | nothing I had handy. the mikmod and test_sampr plugins can render at the higher frequencies, and the playback rate option lets you lock in a specific rate |
| 20:55:41 | speachy | there are definitely high-rate FLAC files but I don't know how well we deal with 24-bit source material. |
| 20:56:11 | speachy | (making our audio path handle 24-bit is not something I intend to attempt anytime soon..) |
| 20:56:20 | _bilgus__ | I'll look around see if I can find a feww open source or just upsample my own |
| 20:56:39 | _bilgus__ | I swear someone* alreadt sarted that |
| 20:57:22 | _bilgus__ | started, the 24 bit audio path.. |
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| 21:20:00 | genevino | speachy: i just realized that the weird plopping sound occurs every time i switch to a song from the black sabbath - paranoid album which is in 24khz FLAC |
| 21:20:17 | genevino | eh, 24bit/96khz, for that matter. |
| 21:21:24 | genevino | 02 - Paranoid.flac: FLAC audio bitstream data, 24 bit, stereo, 192 kHz, 32539080 samples |
| 21:21:29 | genevino | oh, 192khz even, wow. |
| 21:21:42 | genevino | ok that explains the weird behaviour i get. |
| 21:22:55 | genevino | ok, it happens on other files as well. :( |
| 21:38:27 | genevino | i'll try if this continues to happen when using the crossfader, since it sounds a bit like re-initializing a device. |
| 21:52:06 | speachy | btw: https://sfconservancy.org/news/2020/oct/01/new-copyleft-strategy-launched-with-ARDC-grant/ |
| 21:52:49 | speachy | since rockbox is one of the older firmware replacement efforts, and GPL violations by these DAP makers have made our efforts a lot harder... |
| 21:53:23 | speachy | (disclaimer: I've been a dues-paying member for years, and strongly agree with their mission) |
| 21:55:29 | speachy | well, I got the keys working properly, but at the cost of the LCD flickering like it's ahving a seizure. |
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| 22:05:33 | speachy | think I got it. |
| 22:23:26 | _bilgus__ | It'd be nice to get some source out of this :) |
| 22:24:07 | speachy | holy crap, the LCD updates are a lot faster too now |
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| 22:36:23 | _bilgus__ | I'm kinda surprised that wasn't already blocked from re-init |
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| 22:39:54 | speachy | this hosted code was never really banged on |
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| 22:41:25 | speachy | genevino: try the dev build that just finished. johnb5 too. |
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