| 00:13:15 | speachy | genevino: next time you get a segfault, please provide the details (address, build id, etc). |
| 00:18:18 | _bilgus__ | whats a CAP? |
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| 03:53:47 | johnb3 | speachy : x3ii: I did my tests yesterday with a full-size headphone. Today I used a BA InEar. With tha,t the clicks are more pronounced and basically in the same ball park as 0f23cadbca-200926 which I installed again for comparing. |
| 03:55:07 | johnb3 | I was pondering whether the nasty pop after boot can damage a headphone or inear and of course your eardrum. |
| 03:57:44 | johnb3 | Unless you figure out how to suppress that boot pop, it is safer to go back to previous approaches. |
| 03:58:47 | johnb3 | IMHO |
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| 08:32:37 | speachy | _bilgus__: Chinese Audio Player. :P |
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| 09:29:42 | speachy | _bilgus__: an example −− https://www.linsoul.com/products/zishan-dsds-zishan-dsds-ak4499 |
| 09:30:45 | speachy | there are several major variations of this, with different DACs and screen types, and also at least one in a different form factor but using the same internal architecture. |
| 09:31:22 | speachy | identifiable by those five buttons and possibly a separate volume knob/rotary encoder. |
| 09:31:32 | speachy | https://www.amazon.com/Linsoul-AK4490EQ-Portable-Audiophile-Musician/dp/B07VX6DY7Z |
| 09:32:46 | speachy | STM32F745, 1MB flash, 320KB RAM, and a CPLD to interface with the DACs. I don't think there's external RAM but I haven't found the photos to confirm. |
| 09:41:18 | speachy | without external RAM it's not a viable port target. |
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| 09:58:22 | speachy | (Which really makes me sad; I _really_ want to do a bare-metal Cortex-M port..) |
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| 10:00:04 | speachy | (My personal vision for a "Rockbox DAP" is architechturally pretty similar to those things; albeit with a couple of extra buttons. And at least 8MB of external RAM) |
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| 10:07:49 | speachy | also I'm not sure what the CPLD is there for; the STM32 family has builtin I2S already; but maybe it can't clock fast enough for the 32b/384K PCM streams, and the CPLD is doing a parallel->i2s conversion? |
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| 10:11:36 | speachy | ah yes, the STM32F7's I2S peripheral maxes out at 32b/192KHz. |
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| 11:19:06 | _bilgus__ | speachy johnb one of you guys with the rocker off the latest head could you verify the lua playback script allows rew ff and track skip |
| 11:19:48 | johnb3 | I don't own a rocker (anymore). |
| 11:20:28 | speachy | building it now |
| 11:22:16 | speachy | unzipping... |
| 11:22:44 | speachy | _bilgus__: any thoughts on that SFC grenade I lobbed into the mailing list? |
| 11:23:00 | speachy | (well, s/grenade/hot potato/) |
| 11:23:16 | speachy | (well, s/hot/lukewarm/) |
| 11:25:02 | speachy | _bilgus__: on the rocker, latest git, no keypresses work at all in the playback lua script |
| 11:25:27 | speachy | only the forced-poweroff works |
| 11:26:36 | _bilgus__ | damn though I had it licked does boomshine work? |
| 11:27:20 | _bilgus__ | I assume the lua_scripts launcher part works? |
| 11:27:42 | speachy | yes, that worked well enough for me to launch the player script |
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| 11:28:17 | _bilgus__ | ok how about boomshine it uses the action system too |
| 11:28:41 | speachy | (First time I've ever launched boomshine..) |
| 11:28:56 | speachy | and no, it doesn't seem to respond to anything. |
| 11:29:38 | _bilgus__ | ah ok so it has to be something with my action stuff |
| 11:31:13 | _bilgus__ | thanks, i'll have to think a bit on that as to what I might have broken my guess is that the rocker isn't giving me info on the button presses |
| 11:32:59 | _bilgus__ | wonder if the sim acts the same (hopeso!) |
| 11:33:13 | speachy | on the rocker (and other hosted stuff) keypresses come from poll()ing /dev/input. |
| 11:33:21 | speachy | the sim uses SDL for input so it might not be the same |
| 11:33:37 | _bilgus__ | thats what I figure is the issue |
| 11:34:04 | speachy | but either way those are called from the main rb tick context |
| 11:35:21 | _bilgus__ | I'm guessing that it doesn't fill the button queue like the others do |
| 11:36:40 | _bilgus__ | we'll see if all else fails I'll go back to polling for hosted targets |
| 11:39:50 | speachy | as I've started to dig under the skirts of the hosted code some more, I can see how a good restructuring would help out |
| 11:41:11 | speachy | each hosted target does its own thing, but ultimately it just loops over /dev/input until nothing new comes out, and returns the bitmap of what's pressed. |
| 11:42:57 | speachy | yeah, SDL has its own event loop running in an independent thread. |
| 11:52:06 | _bilgus__ | I think the SFC is probably a good move especially the legal parts |
| 11:58:06 | _bilgus__ | prior to pulling the trigger I'd say give the ML a little time to percolate (like coffee :) and we probably need to get the steering board back together |
| 11:59:34 | speachy | has the steering board even met since 2013? |
| 11:59:51 | _bilgus__ | personally I don't thjink there will be many against it in whole but those that are will be very vocal |
| 11:59:54 | speachy | I mean, if we still had that level of formal organization this discussion would probably be moot. :) |
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| 12:00:13 | speachy | (organization _and_ particiapation, that is..) |
| 12:01:03 | _bilgus__ | sure but you me builtin do not a committee make |
| 12:01:25 | speachy | I mean, I've for all intents and purposes taken this whole thing over simpy by virtue of the fact that I've been willing to get my hands dirty doing this administrative work.. |
| 12:02:37 | speachy | but yeah, we're the committee by default if nobody else de-lurks... |
| 12:03:38 | _bilgus__ | I mean if not then they really have no reason to complain do they |
| 12:04:11 | _bilgus__ | \me snickers |
| 12:04:12 | speachy | yeah, exactly. IMO those actively doing the work should make the decisions. |
| 12:05:35 | speachy | and I'm really hoping the ML traffic will yield _some_ sort of substantive discussion.. |
| 12:06:35 | _bilgus__ | I think the legal protection is the biggest gain we are in no position to fight DCMA claims were such to arise |
| 12:08:45 | speachy | the anticirumvention stuff? |
| 12:09:12 | speachy | or some patent suit over a codec.. |
| 12:09:43 | _bilgus__ | I imagine it'd be baseless if so but hard to say |
| 12:10:27 | speachy | baseless or not, I'm all but certain to be on the receiving end of it, and I know I don't have the means to fight it for long. |
| 12:10:36 | _bilgus__ | exactly |
| 12:13:46 | _bilgus__ | crap the sim doesn't behave the same |
| 12:15:15 | speachy | I can toss the Rocker in the mail to you if you'd like |
| 12:17:49 | _bilgus__ | that'll work i'll just send it back when I'm done like they did with the other players back in the good old days |
| 12:18:26 | _bilgus__ | in that case i'll do the bluetooth menus at the same time |
| 12:23:47 | speachy | btw on the bluetooth front it looks like the sytem server stores its bluetooth stuff in JSON files |
| 12:25:17 | _bilgus__ | HA I was messing with a xml parser in lua the other day and a linux/win ini parser too |
| 12:26:27 | speachy | BT's going to be a fun integration project. |
| 12:27:09 | speachy | I'll have it in the mail tomorrow morning |
| 12:27:46 | _bilgus__ | the pieces are there just needs someone to hook it all up in a visually pleasing way |
| 12:28:41 | _bilgus__ | awesome |
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| 12:34:56 | speachy | what I'm hoping is that a way will present to provide track info and also to pass play/seek/etc events back over BT. |
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| 12:52:53 | _bilgus__ | we already have the hooks for that in the rb side but the rest I guess depends on what the device provides |
| 12:59:37 | speachy | yep. comes down to how much of the BT interaction is locked away in that system server |
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| 13:02:33 | _bilgus__ | the depreciated plugin for alpine probably has quite the similarity |
| 13:06:20 | speachy | and the IAP can do it too, I think. |
| 13:07:41 | speachy | I'm thinking that the ALSA PCM code is going to need to get rewritten to operate in blocking mode in its own thread. |
| 13:08:32 | speachy | possibly the LCD and input stuff too, as the reason they are laggy at times are due to blocking file I/O in the main tick loop. |
| 13:08:51 | speachy | (opening and reading sysfs files all the time, etc) |
| 13:09:00 | _bilgus__ | that is probably beyond my abilities to see that to completion but I've surprised myself before :p |
| 13:09:21 | speachy | you write a BT frontend and I'll do the rest. :D |
| 13:10:09 | _bilgus__ | though braewoods seems to have a handle on that, might be of assistance (if they*? want) |
| 13:10:10 | speachy | I prefer lurking in the dungeon to frontend work. |
| 13:10:47 | _bilgus__ | I like to think I do decently at integrating stuff in a halfway coherent manner |
| 13:11:13 | _bilgus__ | the menu for keylock/ backlight exceptions |
| 13:22:37 | speachy | were you around during the initial ROcker deveopent? Do you recall if AGPTek did anyything more than supply a couple of players to us? |
| 13:23:19 | _bilgus__ | anything more like what? |
| 13:23:41 | _bilgus__ | like sources? no wodz complained loudly about that |
| 13:24:36 | _bilgus__ | I think they gave us 2 players and disassemby instructions and Hunterb? promised forthcoming sources |
| 13:24:51 | _bilgus__ | that never happened |
| 13:28:52 | _bilgus__ | IIRC they did a fw update after that as well like one that separated them from the common implementation but I think the vast majority of this is socumented in here and on the forum |
| 13:29:34 | _bilgus__ | pamaury and wodz might have communicated to hunterb privately as well but I don't remember |
| 13:30:04 | _bilgus__ | documented* |
| 13:33:10 | speachy | that matches my recollection |
| 13:52:33 | speachy | the Pine64 folks asked about our collaboration with AGPTek. |
| 13:53:00 | speachy | My response is essentially "two donated players does not a collaboration make" |
| 13:53:23 | _bilgus__ | yeah not really a collab that is assuming Hunterb even represents them |
| 13:53:52 | _bilgus__ | he stated he was in employ but was just trying to reach out |
| 13:54:15 | _bilgus__ | not in official capacity |
| 13:54:43 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 13:54:43 | * | speachy nods. |
| 13:56:03 | _bilgus__ | I know for a fact that is documented in the logs as I participated in that discussion |
| 13:57:52 | _bilgus__ | bbl gotta work on some heavy equipment for the fam |
| 13:58:07 | speachy | yeah, I just got back in from pulling some yard implements out of the rain |
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| 19:18:33 | __builtin | speachy: what does our paypal account look like? |
| 19:18:50 | __builtin | in terms of total funds and rate of continued donations |
| 19:19:53 | speachy | __builtin: $2169.66, plus another donation that I haven't recorded yet. |
| 19:20:16 | __builtin | rate of increase? |
| 19:21:01 | __builtin | trying to gauge what a 10% SFC donation looks like |
| 19:21:37 | speachy | __builtin: about $330 in total donations since June. |
| 19:21:56 | __builtin | so about $100/mo? |
| 19:22:18 | __builtin | how about hosting expenditures? |
| 19:22:26 | speachy | it's gone down faster than it's gone up though, thanks to purchasing various DAPs for hacking purposes. |
| 19:23:12 | speachy | direct hosting expenses are currently zero, as I'm piggybacking on my $dayjob with a dedicated circuit for our research team. |
| 19:23:34 | speachy | call it $75/mo so far |
| 19:23:39 | speachy | donations, I mean |
| 19:23:40 | __builtin | it sounds like a 10% cut of that is pretty negligible, then |
| 19:23:59 | __builtin | especially given what SFC membership gives in return |
| 19:24:13 | speachy | yeah. I did spend $56.35 on a replacement RAID controller for the server though |
| 19:25:21 | speachy | even after their cut, I think we'd likely end up with a net increase in funds coming in due to higher visibility. |
| 19:25:35 | __builtin | my thoughts exactly |
| 19:25:46 | __builtin | and tax deductibility can't hurt |
| 19:25:48 | speachy | (BTW, if anyone wants to check the books so to speak, let me know privately) |
| 19:26:46 | speachy | If we had to go to paid hosting, I think we'd probably manage okay with about $50/mo. |
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| 19:35:46 | __builtin | speachy: not sure if you're aware, but we have historically had some legal issues with certain plugins |
| 19:36:11 | __builtin | this is before my time but apparently tetrox and jewels were the big offenders; not sure if there's any others |
| 19:36:24 | __builtin | (tetrox a.k.a. "rockblox") |
| 19:36:43 | speachy | wasn't familiar with that but I do recall PopTop being quite litigious over Bejwewled clones. |
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| 19:40:49 | __builtin | domain ownership might also be a nice thing to have done by another organization to perhaps insulate you a bit from DMCA/GDPR issues |
| 19:42:13 | speachy | we do need a designated DMCA agent to qualify for safe harbour protections |
| 19:43:15 | speachy | I shudder tothink how much GPDR exposure we'd face, what with our beginning-of-time IRC and email archives. |
| 19:44:43 | speachy | domain ownership (and, I suppose, @rockbox.org email/MX services) is the last bit of infra that still remains with the Haxx crew. |
| 19:46:10 | speachy | when it comes down to it I think we're on the pretty small side compared to the SFC's existing member projects. |
| 19:46:32 | speachy | there's a lot of code and history though. |
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| 20:47:40 | jerwin | *layout |
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| 22:44:39 | speachy | pamaury, do you have a copy of the X1000 programming manual somewhere? it seems we never stashed a copy on the wiki, and the link you posted way back when is now a 404. It doesn't appear to exist on the ftp.ingenic.com mirror either. |
| 22:55:45 | _bilgus__ | yeah HunterLeo sorry |
| 22:58:35 | speachy | found it! buried in a zip file. |
| 22:58:47 | speachy | in their FreeRTOS tarball |
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| 23:05:00 | speachy | _bilgus__: trying to find that missing 4760 doc in here too.. |
| 23:05:43 | _bilgus__ | that'd be amazing but I won't hold my breath! |
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| 23:25:55 | speachy | doesn't appear to be in here, alas. |
| 23:34:00 | _bilgus__ | behold the white whale? |
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