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#rockbox log for 2020-12-05

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07:38:36braewoodsg#4444
07:39:22braewoodsbluebrother: severe packet loss but the server is reachable
07:40:11braewoodsit's loading here
07:40:11braewoodsbut yea
07:40:11braewoodssomething is going on
07:40:59braewoodslmao
07:40:59braewoodsmy rental server has no packet loss
07:40:59braewoodswhat gives?
07:43:10bluebrotherjust came across it testing Rockbox Utility. Cannot load build-info = no much use :/
07:44:01bluebrotherbut yeah, it sometimes works, but rather slow. Sometimes times out.
07:45:39braewoodsappears to be a network issue
07:45:39braewoodsi stand corrected
07:45:39braewoodsdoesn't seem to matter the origin
07:45:39DBUGEnqueued KICK braewoods
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07:50:18speachy...
07:50:51speachyit's the ISP.
07:51:23speachyserver logs show significant packet loss to the first-hop router.
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08:01:32speachyjust sent them a nastygram
08:01:56speachya lot of ping variation even when it is getting through.
08:03:58braewoodsspeachy: a letter with fresh feces? :)
08:04:00braewoodslol
08:11:06speachyhmm. seems to have largely gone away now
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09:46:54speachyISP is still investigating, apparently. it was just the one segment/circuit that we were on
09:56:41braewoodsspeachy: one thing i've learned from servicing old stuff. people don't seem to understand the concept of firmware nor the update process for it.
09:56:51braewoodsi usually find it's NEVER been upgraded.
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10:03:10speachybraewoods: "if it ain't broke, don't touch it"
10:03:47braewoodsspeachy: lol... bad policy for connected electronics
10:03:59speachywhich is why most of them auto-update now
10:04:19speachyon the other hand, "updates" often change things, and sometimes even remove functionality.
10:04:22braewoodsi always try to keep firmware updated since it usually keeps me from wasting time
10:04:34braewoodsah. i meant stuff like BIOS updates.
10:04:36speachyso there are rational reasons for not updating things
10:05:38speachyeven BIOS updates −− nearly all manufacturers say to not upgrade if you aren't experiencing issues or there isn't some critical security issue (ala Spectre) involved.
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10:06:58Horrorcathah. so I opened my Clip and the display is turning on \o/
10:07:00Horrorcatnot even reached it yet
10:07:06Horrorcatseems to be a loose cable or something indeed
10:07:18Horrorcatlacking the screwdriver to continue, so I just hope this wiggling did the trick for a while
10:07:23speachymy clip+ needs a whack sometimes to get the display to work properly.
10:07:52Horrorcat(also rockbox looks slightly confused as I apparently removed the SD card while it was still running :))
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10:11:38braewoodsspeachy: not so much anymore.
10:11:52braewoodsspeachy: i see a lot of them say the update is ... mandatory or critical or so
10:12:03braewoodsat least when security updates are involved
10:12:12speachyyeah, nearly every update these days is, thanks to microcode updates ala spectre
10:12:31speachybut few makers actually push updates.
10:13:20Horrorcatthis would be the first time where me opening and reassembling a device without doing anything else managed to achieve something good :D
10:13:29Horrorcatnormally I just accidentally break things
10:15:39braewoodsHorrorcat: i found you! https://xkcd.com/1428/
10:16:06Horrorcat:D
10:16:48speachyHorrorcat: my pile of broken Fuze v2s attests to that...
10:17:17Horrorcatnormally I lose at least one screw, but I didn’t unscrew anything this time, so that probably helped
10:17:35Horrorcatalso, extra carefulness given that the battery cannot be disconnecte
10:18:03braewoodshaha. anything can be disconnected with a *soldering iron*
10:18:06braewoods:D
10:18:33Horrorcatsure, but given the closeness of the connectors I’d probably short it out, panic, try frantically to break the short, all while the battery blows up in my face or something :)
10:18:36braewoodsbut seriously, i'd probably cut the cables if it was a battery before desoldering the other part
10:18:42braewoodsjust for safety
10:18:46Horrorcatsee above :D
10:19:10speachyjust don't cut the wires together. :D
10:19:18Horrorcat*nods*
10:19:18braewoodsyea...
10:19:35braewoodsand if you got room, might be good to replace it with a pin header
10:19:43Horrorcattrue
10:20:17braewoodseven single pins could be useful
10:20:33braewoodsi'd do that if i had enough height
10:20:44braewoodsbut then you could probably bent it 90 degrees
10:21:08Horrorcatreally no space in those clips
10:21:10braewoodseither way i'd prefer to mod it like that for future replacements
10:21:12braewoodsah
10:21:18braewoodsright
10:21:25braewoodsi usually prefer the larger devices
10:21:29Horrorcatme too
10:21:40Horrorcatbut my iriver (shall it rest in peace) broke beyond my repair skills
10:21:48braewoodswhich one>
10:21:51Horrorcath320
10:21:58braewoodsah.
10:22:02braewoodsuh
10:22:05braewoodshm
10:22:15braewoodswhere you live?
10:22:18braewoodsgeneral area
10:22:24HorrorcatI sold it off via ebay earlier this year to someone, they were kind enough to message me afterwards and report their repair attempts; they share my assumption that something broke on the power regulation side of things
10:22:32braewoodsi got some h320s leftover from my bootloader work
10:22:53braewoodsif you live nearby i could give 'em away. i'm pretty much done with them.
10:22:58Horrorcatwith the original harddrives?
10:23:03Horrorcator with something else?
10:23:09braewoodsyes. i never got around to doing a CF mod on them.
10:23:16braewoodsbut they now can be
10:23:20Horrorcatcause mine didn’t work with the CF mods, and you can’t get a proper replacements for those drives :(
10:23:31braewoodsthe new bootloader allows for CF mod
10:23:40HorrorcatI tried many things, then sunk 100 bucks in a 1.8" IDE SSD which is probably what eventually broke the power regulation
10:24:12Horrorcatbraewoods, europe, germany
10:24:15braewoodsoh.
10:24:25braewoodsok... mine are the US H320
10:24:38braewoodsyou'd probably want the european one
10:24:43Horrorcatmine was EU, but what’s the difference?
10:24:50braewoodsOTG mainly
10:24:54braewoodsand initial firmware
10:24:56Horrorcatthe USB stuff?
10:25:08braewoodsyes... but it doesn't really matter for RB
10:25:13HorrorcatI used the original firmware for like ten minutes total
10:25:22braewoodsit's never supported the OTG chip
10:25:28braewoodsjust enough to shut it down
10:25:29Horrorcatmaybe more while I was tinkering with getting rockbox to work with the SSD
10:25:31braewoodsfor power saving
10:25:43Horrorcat(just to confirm that it wasn’t the SSD at fault)
10:25:49Horrorcatso I don’t care about either ;)
10:26:13Horrorcatbut I got used to the clip now, so it’s not urgent enough to warrant shipping something over the big pond...
10:26:32braewoodswell i got 2 H320s i don't really need now
10:26:53HorrorcatI’m sure you’ll find people who want them on ebay who’re closer :)
10:26:58braewoodsi got them so i could fix the bootloader
10:27:02braewoodsfor rockbox
10:27:16Horrorcatwhat was broken by the way? the bootloader I installed ten years back worked fine :)
10:27:25braewoodsit was broken in git
10:27:30braewoodsit wouldn't boot
10:27:31Horrorcatoh I see
10:27:38braewoodslike 11 years aog
10:27:46Horrorcatclose call then :D
10:27:47braewoodsthey optimized the LCD with DMA which broke it
10:27:48Horrorcat(for me)
10:28:01braewoodsthe reset cookie saved the day
10:28:15braewoodsi was able to boot OF to reflash the last known good one
10:28:34braewoodsi also brought H300 to feature parity with the H100 bootloader
10:28:55braewoodsmeaning it also now supports ROM/RAM booting
10:29:10braewoodsand both bootloaders have the CF mod fixes
10:29:17braewoodsso they work properly with flash media
10:29:28Horrorcatmmm
10:30:06braewoodsand it means you can wipe the original firmware away entirely on both
10:30:38braewoodsit's kinda useless if you do a CF mod anyway
10:31:05braewoodsso the issues you saw are fixed, if you decide to get another one
10:31:21braewoodsthe h320 is fairly common to see on ebay
10:31:24HorrorcatI’m not quite sure, as people "in the internet" reported more success than I had
10:31:40braewoodswhat do you mean?
10:31:50HorrorcatI mean this has been a few years back
10:31:55braewoodsoh.
10:31:58Horrorcatbut I didn’t try CF out of thin air, I read that people had success with that
10:32:06braewoodsthe problem was the bootloader had issues with it
10:32:08braewoodshit or miss
10:32:17braewoodsnowadays it should work with most if not all
10:32:19braewoodscf cards
10:32:26Horrorcatah, so not a deterministic issue and it could be based on the card?
10:32:29Horrorcatthat kind of makes sense
10:32:42braewoodsyea, the new bootloaders have compatibility fixes
10:32:57Horrorcatbut sure thanks for the info. The clip is doing a good job for me now. I do miss the second audio out though
10:33:44braewoodsyou can successfully cf mod either the H120 or H320 now
10:34:17Horrorcatthank you for the fixes in any case though :)
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13:35:29speachybluebrother: sweet!
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