#rockbox 2021-02-03

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01:09:21	efqw	No, headphone remotes won't work, there is no hardware support afaik on the m3k.
01:11:09	efqw	They are usually handled by the DAC itself
01:12:02	efqw	such as most modern USB-C audio dongles for smartphones, those are single-chip (mostly realtek) solutions that has built-in ADC to convert the analog keys to USB HID
01:13:44	efqw	On the m3k I believe headphone jack detection is actually hooked up to a GPIO on the AXP192
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11:52:39	chrisb	am i right that none of the current sansa players for sale can run rockbox?
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13:30:47	speachy	chrisb: correct.
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13:51:51	chrisb	speachy: thanks
13:58:53	chrisb	from the talk here, fiio m3k is coming along quickly, and that is currently produced and sold, right?
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14:46:37	braewoods	chrisb: you still have the option of buying used hardware to rebuild or so. the older HDD based units are a pretty good choice for that.
14:46:51	braewoods	their batteries and drives are usually removeable
14:47:22	speachy	I'd still recommend the EROS Q/K (and clones) over the M3K, if you care about using it today
14:48:15	braewoods	the iriver H100 series (H100, H120, H140) are pretty decent still
14:49:10	braewoods	i upgraded their bootloader last year to fix some old bugs that plagued users of CF cards and such
14:49:57	braewoods	H300 is also pretty decent but not much better than the H100.
14:50:16	braewoods	color screen, RTC chip, are the main differences
14:50:23	braewoods	and usb charging
14:50:37	braewoods	the iriver H100 and H300 don't use proprietary plugs
14:50:41	braewoods	kinda unusual
14:50:54	braewoods	micro usb for UMS
14:51:03	braewoods	barrel jack for charging or power
14:51:25	braewoods	i use a barrel jack to usb to charge mine
14:51:31	braewoods	since it's the same voltage and all
14:51:53	speachy	ok, the issue I had with the H2 was the uart cable
14:52:04	braewoods	speachy: ah.
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15:41:25	speachy	okay, the newer h2 recovery is looking for the model 'eros_h2'
15:41:50	speachy	I've dumped the v1.3 firmware, creating a new update.upt file with the unpatched stuff.
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15:53:42	speachy	ok. had to repack everything, but I now have a "stock" 1.3 fw image for 1.3-capable targets.
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15:56:58	chrisb	braewoods: i have used two sansa e200 since they were new. will i be able to find the parts to keep them going? 90% of use is in a cradle.
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15:57:59	braewoods	chrisb: Depends on the failure but storage and batteries are usually the most common.
15:58:00	chrisb	braewoods: i think i have three cables, and one cradle for the sansas
15:58:49	braewoods	but if they are soldered them replacing them is difficult or impossible
15:59:11	braewoods	chrisb: if you need specialty cables, gomatic tends to sell them.
15:59:13	chrisb	braewoods: if i lose storage, do i have to desolder and replace an IC or is it dead
15:59:34	braewoods	it's probably Flash which is usually soldered to the board
15:59:53	braewoods	replacing it is a mixed bag. i've never heard of someone successfully doing it with other Sansa players.
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16:00:03	tirred	I translated part of the rockbox code into a package for another language, do I just need to put a copy of the GPLv2 in the root of the project and then be good to go to put it on github? Definitely be making sure to give the credit to rockbox in the readme.
16:00:08	chrisb	braewoods: can i boot from sd card?
16:00:21	tirred	Code licensing isn't remotely covered in school lol
16:00:41	braewoods	chrisb: possibly. someone mentioned sansa bootloaders now have a SD card boot option.
16:00:48	braewoods	i don't know who was the principle author of that.
16:00:49	Ctcp	Ignored 3 channel CTCP requests in 1 day and 0 hours at the last flood
16:00:49	*	chrisb checks out eros Q/K
16:00:52	braewoods	_bilgus: was that you?
16:01:38	braewoods	chrisb: in any case, the older HDD units are generally more repairable but they're also larger in most cases.
16:01:48	braewoods	the philips gogear HDD16xx series was an exception
16:01:57	braewoods	it uses 1" CF microdrives
16:02:12	braewoods	i got a set of new old stock awhile back
16:02:14	braewoods	of them
16:02:28	braewoods	i'll get around to upgrading them in the near future
16:02:34	braewoods	just so many other things going on lol
16:03:04	braewoods	chrisb: another favorite i had was the iriver H10. you can upgrade the storage easily if it's the 20GB version.
16:03:17	braewoods	but the IO speed tends to be slow even with flash.
16:03:19	braewoods	no idea why.
16:03:30	braewoods	the gogear I upgraded before could do 13 MB/s to the upgrade storage
16:03:32	braewoods	both directions
16:03:34	chrisb	how can I identify clones of eros Q K players
16:03:44	braewoods	no idea. speachy would probably know more.
16:03:53	braewoods	i know more about older ports.
16:04:01	speachy	chrisb: They look the same? :)
16:04:15	speachy	chrisb: the known clones are listed on the wiki page
16:04:25	speachy	https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AIGOErosQK
16:04:32	chrisb	oops, i did not realize this was all there...
16:04:37	*	chrisb goes to the wiki
16:05:55	tirred	Also, is there a set of files that can be used to test out the metadata parser?
16:06:52	tirred	Or would it be best to make my own?
16:10:18	speachy	I don't think there's any particular set.
16:10:25	speachy	at least nothing that can be publicly shared
16:11:47	speachy	ok, it lives!
16:12:05	speachy	unfortunately this throws a bit wrench into rbutil.
16:12:44	tirred	speachy darn haha, i've just been running it against a subset of my collection for now
16:13:50	speachy	blbro[m]: there are now two variants of the hifiwalker, unfortunately there's no automated way to determine which variant it is.
16:14:37	speachy	and they need slightly different firmware update images, and therefore different bsdiff patches. @$@$%!!
16:14:47	speachy	not sure how we'd accomodate this in rbutil.
16:15:05	speachy	(there's also no publicly-available fw update image for the newer version, but I did hack one together)
16:17:49	speachy	johnb: If you still have your v1.3 H2, let me know if you want a suitable image.
16:18:08	speachy	I can hack together a v1.3 firmware updater that will run on the v1.2 firmware too
16:20:28	bluebrother	speachy: the hifiwalker is one of those eros players, so we can simply treat it as a new one. Since they all share the same USB ID we cannot tell them apart anyway, so the user has to do that.
16:20:54	bluebrother	unless it's impossible for the user to tell them apart. That would be annoying.
16:21:04	speachy	further complication is that there's no upstream download for the unpatched firmware.
16:21:28	speachy	bluebrother: so any "bsdiff" is generated against the one I built using a nand dump of the stock player.
16:21:40	speachy	bluebrother: it's queryable from the OF player UI.
16:21:51	speachy	no idea if anything has changed
16:21:54	bluebrother	ok, so at least that would be doable.
16:24:11	bluebrother	we create a new firmware file we put on the player and it then updates itself, right?
16:26:05	bluebrother	so we could use a prepatched image. If we want to distribute that −− in the past we usually didn't.
16:26:57	speachy	I don't see any way around that at this point. :/
16:27:55	bluebrother	assuming we're willing to distribute a prepatched image that shouldn't be much of an issue −− just install a bootloader "file".
16:28:00	*	speachy nods.
16:28:10	speachy	I have a pre-patched file on d.r.o already.
16:28:20	bluebrother	otherwise "someone" could host an OF image.
16:28:29	speachy	I'd intended to nuke the other prepatched ones once the new rbutil release is out
16:28:32	bluebrother	someone as in non-Rockbox.
16:28:40	bluebrother	right, wanted to finish that up ...
16:28:59	speachy	yeah, when that "someone" is me, hosted on the same physical server, the distinction really is splitting hairs. :)
16:29:25	bluebrother	f.e. rasher has this mirror of Iriver h100 / h300 firmware files.
16:29:50	bluebrother	could be some link in the wiki to one of those cloud download services :)
16:30:02	bluebrother	but it's still "someone" that has to do it.
16:30:38	bluebrother	and the reason why we didn't distribute OF images in the past still stands. Doesn't mean a willing individual couldn't do it.
16:30:43	speachy	OTOH, it's not like hifiwalker (or indeed, any of these Ingenic ports) is in any position to talk about copyright violations. :)
16:31:04	bluebrother	but yeah, if you do it on the same physical server it's kinda splitting hairs :)
16:31:49	bluebrother	anyway, I don't see a big issue from a Rockbox Utility point of view −− just the inconvenience that the user has to check which one to use.
16:32:06	bluebrother	and obviously the how-to-get-the-OF issue. But that's a separate one.
16:32:20	speachy	kk
16:33:54	bluebrother	oh, that is under the assumption that the player won't get bricked if you use the wrong update file.
16:34:16	bluebrother	though I assume its update functionality has some checks for that
16:34:55	speachy	no, it won't brick anything; it'll just fail the update.
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16:36:06	speachy	I already have a private mirror of these various ingenic OF images; finding and extracting them from their upstream is a royal PITA.
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20:34:55	speachy	bluebrother: g#3115 should do the trick, I think?
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