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14:18:39 | paulcarroty | hey, can you recommend any compatible modern player with fm radio? |
14:21:09 | speachy | not aware of anything modern-ish. |
14:21:20 | speachy | with a radio, I mean |
14:22:48 | yang | hm |
14:23:00 | yang | fiio m3k maybe ? |
14:23:11 | yang | does it have the radio, I didn't check |
14:25:03 | paulcarroty | no radio, sadly |
14:35:30 | __builtin | the ipods have a radio remote |
14:35:43 | __builtin | which we don't support |
14:36:04 | __builtin | I have one if someone wants to look into it |
14:51:05 | speachy | actually it is sorta supported, albeit a litle flaky |
14:52:14 | paulcarroty | ipods are great, one issue is lacking sdcards |
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14:54:39 | bilgus_ph | Modern players probably no FM supported players yes see the device page for them clips come to mind and maybe Sony |
14:55:06 | speachy | I picked up one of those tuners a couple months ago.. turned out to be defective |
14:56:03 | speachy | but it did "work" on a nano2g −− detected, tuned, and if I jiffled the cable right, produced sound! |
14:58:12 | bilgus_ph | https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ |
14:59:02 | bilgus_ph | www.rockbox.org/wiki/FmTunerHardware |
14:59:47 | bilgus_ph | That should help you narrow down some of em |
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15:07:52 | braewoods | paulcarroty: i think the Sansas were the last ones to have any fm radio support |
15:08:15 | braewoods | paulcarroty: FM radio has largely disappeared. |
15:09:06 | braewoods | paulcarroty: probably the best choice is a Sansa or one of the HDD players that still has the FM Radio |
15:09:36 | braewoods | I've had my eye on the Gigabeat S lately. It's taking awhile but I'll get it finished up eventually. |
15:09:41 | braewoods | The port is mostly done. |
15:09:50 | braewoods | It's a bit rare but not super rar.e |
15:10:04 | braewoods | I've repaired 4 gigabeat S units I found on ebay with some patience. |
15:10:40 | braewoods | there's like 2-3 of them up for sale right now but at high prices |
15:11:31 | paulcarroty | bilgus_ph, braewoods, big thx for the info |
15:12:31 | braewoods | paulcarroty: you may want to get one that supports RDS. |
15:12:36 | braewoods | if you care that much about it |
15:12:48 | braewoods | there's like 4-5 ports that support RDS |
15:13:00 | braewoods | gigabeat S is one |
15:13:05 | braewoods | some of the ipods allegedly support it |
15:13:12 | braewoods | a few Sansas do (fuze+ at least) |
15:13:46 | braewoods | gigabeat S is a very well rounded piece of hardware for its era |
15:23:43 | paulcarroty | gigabeat S looks great, $100+ on ebay is overpriced |
15:26:24 | braewoods | paulcarroty: indeed. |
15:26:30 | braewoods | i snagged some for less. |
15:26:38 | braewoods | they come up every now and then. |
15:26:59 | braewoods | I've got 3 still in my inventory. |
15:27:03 | braewoods | fully repaired / upgraded |
15:27:21 | braewoods | they're pretty easy to work on |
15:27:50 | braewoods | only real negative i know of is they'll disappoint people that want more than 128GB of storage |
15:27:51 | paulcarroty | well, you can sell them for good money then :) |
15:27:58 | braewoods | paulcarroty: doubtful. LOL |
15:30:12 | braewoods | paulcarroty: what's your use case? |
15:30:19 | braewoods | just radio on the go? |
15:32:24 | paulcarroty | wanna make a gift for a person - huge radio & audiobooks fan |
15:33:18 | braewoods | I see. Do you need raw performance? There's a fair number of ports that are good enough but not very fast for much else. |
15:34:03 | braewoods | hm. |
15:35:07 | braewoods | i personally don't like the Sansas due to how hard it is to replace the batteries in them, something important to do if you're rebuilding old stuff |
15:35:30 | braewoods | the one exception i recall is the C200s and a few others that have an easily removed battery pack |
15:36:34 | paulcarroty | I don't think raw performance needed in my case |
15:37:04 | braewoods | storage? |
15:37:52 | braewoods | I've owned the iriver H100 and H300 families. They're decent and not too rare. There's no known upper limit on upgrades provided you can find compatible storage. |
15:38:21 | paulcarroty | 64gb+ sdcard support will be great |
15:38:50 | braewoods | eh, you're only going to find that in Sansas. the HDD units are upgradeable but it's all internal. |
15:39:31 | braewoods | the H100, H300, H10 (20GB) irivers are all compatible with the same internal battery |
15:39:39 | braewoods | max out around 2200 mah |
15:39:44 | braewoods | which is a lot for rockbox |
15:40:34 | braewoods | the irivers only have basic FM radio |
15:41:08 | braewoods | Hm. |
15:42:59 | paulcarroty | basic means without RDS? |
15:43:03 | braewoods | yes |
15:43:20 | braewoods | RDS is limited to a handful of options |
15:43:54 | braewoods | probably best bet is to rebuild an ipod if you can find one at a fair price |
15:44:10 | braewoods | you can buy replacement shells in some cases to repair cosmetic damage |
15:44:25 | braewoods | most ipods i see are HEAVILY scratched |
15:45:00 | braewoods | but those are usually pricey |
15:45:47 | _bilgus | thr RDS on my clipzip does better than the car built later |
15:46:10 | _bilgus | and clip+ and zip are easy to replace batteries |
15:46:29 | braewoods | don't you have to desolder the batteries? |
15:46:38 | _bilgus | yes |
15:47:05 | paulcarroty | a lot of players on ebay are scratched. don't think I'm skilled enough for ipod storage upgrade. |
15:47:08 | braewoods | and that still won't help with the flash writes of death |
15:47:15 | _bilgus | tis true |
15:48:01 | _bilgus | tbh I think its less likely than it appears its just people keep them for a v. long time |
15:48:29 | braewoods | paulcarroty: well i still have the units i rebuilt for my collection. more than I'll ever use. you want to see them? |
15:49:18 | braewoods | they're lightly scratched but good condition for their age |
15:51:22 | paulcarroty | braewoods: no, I'm currently looking for sansas & iriver maybe. you should open the store, man. |
15:52:55 | braewoods | lol |
15:53:03 | braewoods | ok |
15:54:58 | paulcarroty | how many devices do you have? guess >>>10 |
15:55:24 | braewoods | not that many but a fair number. i contribute to rockbox so i kinda need them for that purpose. |
15:55:34 | braewoods | but i don't mind selling my spares. |
15:56:03 | braewoods | i have one iriver h120, 4 gigabeat S units 3 of which are repaired fully. |
15:56:23 | braewoods | two iriver h10s (fat vs skinny) |
15:56:48 | braewoods | sansa fuze+ |
15:56:52 | braewoods | that's it |
15:57:10 | braewoods | oh, i guess technically i also own a very rare mpio hd300 |
15:57:20 | braewoods | it took me 6 months just to find that one |
15:57:40 | braewoods | i'm currently working on the battery replacement |
15:57:47 | braewoods | it's so rare that the battery is a bit of a nuisance |
15:58:10 | braewoods | i basically have to crimp my own battery terminals for it :D |
15:59:10 | braewoods | seems the iriver h120s have become scarce on ebay |
15:59:15 | braewoods | i remember seeing 6+ at any given time |
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16:00:32 | braewoods | some of these listings are nuts though |
16:02:02 | braewoods | paulcarroty: Europe I presume? |
16:02:22 | paulcarroty | yeah |
16:02:34 | braewoods | seems we get a lot of visitors. |
16:03:35 | paulcarroty | that's great, smartphones not killed the niche completely yet |
16:06:26 | paulcarroty | hah, the iriver h120 ebay query returns only batteries |
16:06:34 | braewoods | yea |
16:06:39 | braewoods | it's completely dry right now |
16:06:49 | braewoods | even under the other model names |
16:06:53 | braewoods | it also goes under |
16:06:55 | braewoods | h140 |
16:06:57 | braewoods | ihp-120 |
16:06:59 | braewoods | ihp-140 |
16:09:03 | paulcarroty | wish rockbox have support for cheap modern $20-30 players like agptek with 128GB+ sd cards |
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16:09:17 | braewoods | you know why they don't? |
16:09:49 | braewoods | those are usually cheap ass ASICs, mass produced garbage that can't run a custom firmware |
16:10:05 | braewoods | there's just not enough RAM |
16:10:13 | speachy | oh they _can_ run custom firmware, they just don't have enough resources to run something as feature-rich as rockbox |
16:10:43 | braewoods | speachy: wasn't the real problem that they rely on the hardware too much which we can't really work with? |
16:10:45 | speachy | even the most featureful ones have less than 1MB of RAM. |
16:11:18 | speachy | plus unobtanium datasheet/specs/docs and maybe toolchains too |
16:13:08 | braewoods | paulcarroty: this looks pretty good |
16:13:10 | braewoods | https://www.ebay.com/itm/334111376934 |
16:13:50 | braewoods | the c200 series is old but it does have sd card support |
16:14:18 | braewoods | provided you find one that still works, you can still find replacement batteries that are easy to replace |
16:14:26 | braewoods | of course no RDS |
16:14:52 | braewoods | but it's the best choice i can think of for someone that doesn't feel comfortable with disassembling more difficult stuff |
16:15:25 | braewoods | and let's face it, most rockbox stuff probably requires someone to perform maintenance to make them viable again |
16:15:30 | braewoods | given the age |
16:16:19 | braewoods | e.g., https://www.newpower99.com/Battery_for_SanDisk_Sansa_Clip_C240_p/sandisk%20sansa%20c240.htm |
16:17:18 | paulcarroty | braewoods: bookmarked |
16:17:39 | braewoods | if you do go for Sansa anything, be sure to immediately switch to using multiboot |
16:17:40 | yang | paulcarroty: if you are looking for a new modern player without FM radio, I recently bought fiio m3k. |
16:17:45 | braewoods | so you don't wear down the flash any more |
16:18:09 | braewoods | that's the one thing you can't really repair on these |
16:18:11 | braewoods | to my knowledge |
16:18:19 | braewoods | the internal flash chips |
16:19:10 | braewoods | paulcarroty: wait... this is a gift for someone in Europe? |
16:19:11 | yang | braewoods: I figured out that the supported players will be very hard find on the local flea market |
16:19:20 | braewoods | yang: you might get lucky |
16:19:23 | * | braewoods shrugs. |
16:19:40 | braewoods | paulcarroty: didn't Europe replace FM radio with DAB? |
16:19:44 | yang | braewoods: I have the list of supported players with me |
16:20:13 | yang | paulcarroty: in some countries it's been replaced, and it works in dual mode FM + DAB+ |
16:20:16 | paulcarroty | braewoods: yeap, but I can buy in USA with mail forwarding. |
16:20:29 | paulcarroty | DAB working in Denmark right now |
16:20:31 | yang | FM has only been eliminated in norway and switzerland I think |
16:20:48 | braewoods | ok, just asking because if there's no FM stations in their area, support for it is moot |
16:20:54 | paulcarroty | heard about Norway too |
16:22:05 | yang | they sold me a car with FM radio :/ |
16:22:56 | yang | I should of asked earlier if I can get DAB+ |
16:23:03 | braewoods | oddly enough the only smartphone i know of still supporting FM is the moto g4 play |
16:23:46 | yang | I have a "dumb"phone which doesn't have a touchscreen with FM radio, Alcatel |
16:24:25 | braewoods | Woah. |
16:24:47 | braewoods | paulcarroty: guess what? |
16:24:47 | yang | I am not sure about the status of Android phones and FM radios, I think some have this feature |
16:24:49 | braewoods | paulcarroty: https://www.ebay.com/itm/304105508945 |
16:25:01 | paulcarroty | well, you can install Linux on moto g4 play :) |
16:25:05 | braewoods | showed up today |
16:25:06 | yang | Android phones with FM radios |
16:25:17 | braewoods | though |
16:25:19 | braewoods | wow |
16:25:20 | yang | paulcarroty: OpenEZX ? |
16:25:22 | braewoods | that thing has seen better days |
16:25:31 | braewoods | the ones i bought are in better condition |
16:25:43 | paulcarroty | yang: postmarketos |
16:27:13 | braewoods | paulcarroty: if you do decide to try to repair a gigabeat S, let me know. i've done it several times; it's actually one of the easier ones to repair and service. |
16:27:31 | braewoods | remove 5 screws... |
16:27:36 | braewoods | slide the back off slowly |
16:27:43 | braewoods | release a ribbon cable |
16:27:59 | braewoods | and then the back cover comes off to expose the hard drive |
16:28:53 | braewoods | unscrew a support |
16:29:07 | braewoods | release the HDD ribbon cable |
16:29:18 | braewoods | remove that, the battery is now visible |
16:29:36 | braewoods | unscrew the bottom part for the micro usb port |
16:29:40 | braewoods | release |
16:29:43 | braewoods | now battery can be removed |
16:29:47 | braewoods | :) |
16:30:03 | braewoods | pretty easy and hard to screw up in my experience |
16:30:31 | braewoods | though the only upgrade drive i've ever found was 1.8" zif SSDs |
16:30:41 | braewoods | those aren't price competitive |
16:30:51 | braewoods | they work |
16:30:58 | braewoods | just a quirk of the gigabeat S limits compatibility |
16:32:04 | paulcarroty | cool, but display is scratched too much, finding new one can be problematic |
16:32:32 | braewoods | indeed. the ones i have are in much better condition. |
16:32:56 | braewoods | i got a few for $30-50, put around $120 in repair parts in them. |
16:33:27 | braewoods | the batteries for them are like $20 but have to be imported |
16:33:32 | braewoods | so that took a long time |
16:33:34 | braewoods | :P |
16:34:02 | paulcarroty | found this philips go gear for $10: https://im7.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-7-e2cef47e4ea1.png , any chance this is supported model? |
16:34:29 | braewoods | it probably is. |
16:34:32 | braewoods | what model? |
16:34:48 | braewoods | are there more photos? |
16:35:34 | paulcarroty | no more photos sadly |
16:35:55 | paulcarroty | hey, it looks like SA9200 https://www.amazon.com/Philips-SA9200-17-GoGear-Super-Slim/dp/B000H1ZYMQ |
16:36:07 | braewoods | it is the sa9200 |
16:36:10 | braewoods | but it's very limited |
16:36:14 | braewoods | 2GB no more |
16:36:54 | paulcarroty | (: |
16:37:38 | braewoods | i've tried most of the HDD units |
16:37:44 | braewoods | the ones i've mentioned have the fewest issues |
16:38:05 | braewoods | the gogears are poorly constructed; prone to breakage during disassembly |
16:48:06 | braewoods | ah the samsung YH models |
16:48:16 | braewoods | what turds. their HDD connector is hard to keep connected. |
16:48:44 | braewoods | if that could be addressed they'd work just fine i believe |
16:50:52 | braewoods | the gigabeat Fs are a viable option too but... their own problems. |
16:51:14 | braewoods | their IO parts are prone to breakage. i don't know how to remove them safely. :| |
16:51:21 | braewoods | really flimsy clips |
16:52:23 | braewoods | Oh, the cowons. I forgot about these. |
16:52:33 | braewoods | They're pretty rare but comparable to the iriver H300/H100. |
16:52:37 | braewoods | Same SoC. |
16:55:08 | braewoods | sheesh. it's like all the rockbox stuff is WAY overpriced. |
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17:01:49 | paulcarroty | $60+ |
17:01:50 | paulcarroty | yeah |
17:03:23 | braewoods | https://www.ebay.com/itm/114886115966 |
17:03:31 | braewoods | this was one of the gigabeats i bought |
17:03:56 | braewoods | it just needed a new battery |
17:05:39 | braewoods | https://www.ebay.com/itm/353514111079 |
17:05:42 | braewoods | this was another |
17:05:52 | braewoods | a really lucky find that one |
17:06:11 | braewoods | bad storage and battery |
17:14:38 | braewoods | funny enough you'd be better off buying one of the ones I repaired vs these overpriced ebay ones which have had no work done on them. :D |
17:17:56 | braewoods | ok.. for the record, according to the rockbox source... these have RDS... |
17:18:09 | braewoods | gigabeat S, sansa fuze+, sansa clip zip |
17:18:36 | braewoods | samsung ypr0/ypr1 |
17:19:11 | braewoods | ipod 4g/6g, mini 1g/2g, nano 1g/2g, video, color |
17:29:17 | braewoods | https://www.ebay.com/itm/224559850802 |
17:29:32 | braewoods | surprising good condition. looks like someone replaced the shell and all. |
17:31:45 | braewoods | paulcarroty: good luck. keep in mind you might be able to find a seller here too. bluebrother^ introduced me to the gigabeat S which is why i ended up with so many. :P |
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18:09:49 | cela | NWZ-E370 and E380 series has an FM radio and RDS but the port was not completed in Rockbox, it does work in the OF though. |
18:11:31 | cela | I mean the Rockbox port is fully working but the FM radio isn't in Rockbox. |
18:12:41 | cela | Sony NWZ-E370 and E380 series are quite easy to find, and battery is easy to swap. |
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