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#rockbox log for 2021-08-27

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06:20:24speachy_bilgus: there are a bunch of other errors possible too
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10:10:42braewoodsincluding the dreaded "out of cheese" error :P
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16:08:09_bilguswell crap just realized my arg parser needs to count zeros in order to successfully recreate a parsed decimal DUH
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17:50:32speachyhey, as a early fyi −− the server hosting the rockbox infrastructure is going to have to find a new home by the end of the year
17:51:54speachyworst case it'll get relocated to a rack at home, but that's not ideal due to the rather crappy bandwidth here.
17:52:45speachy(putting aside rockbox stuff, it hosts my entire online presence, so it _will_ remain online.
17:53:43speachysuggestions welcome, but keep in mind donations are practically nonexistent these days.
17:56:54munkisI would volunteer if not for the fact that my bandwith is probably worse than yours.
17:59:52speachythere is about 2K in the war chest
18:00:39speachy~400GB/mo bandwidth usage, and ~100G of disk.
18:01:05speachy(2/3rds of which are a month's worth of daily builds)
18:02:46speachyto make an ongoing story short, $dayjob decided to effectively shutter our entire facility, and our/my last day is new year's eve.
18:08:08speachy(happy new year)
18:08:24speachy(and, heh, happy birthday to me)
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20:04:50speachyHmm, there are some viable VPS options, if it comes to that.
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21:04:22Arsenspeachy: I'd be doing VPS' + bunnycdn personally
21:04:30Arsen decent provider
21:04:39Arsenbcdn can be used to lighten the load on binary downloads
21:05:51ArsenI'm very much open to helping with this, I've got some experience
21:07:08speachyok, bunnycdn would be on the order of $4-20/month with our current bandwidth loads. depending on where it's coming from. not really worth the extra cost over a standard vps
21:08:08speachyvs (eg) hetzner's CPX31 offering.
21:08:41Arsenyeah idk what kinda load you have
21:09:06Arsenoh also you don't have to use all bunny regions
21:09:27ArsenI personally only use EU as a front for a backblaze b2 bucket
21:10:02Arsenif it's not outside the possibility of going over the 40TB limit (or having very massive download traffic, enough to slow down origin), it's probably worth to get it for $4 usd
21:11:01Arsen^ the above region thing works out for me since I don't need low latency delivery usually
21:11:03speachydepending on bot activity, we're on the order of 300GB/mo these days.
21:11:09Arsenah, that's not bad
21:11:34speachydirect www serving. git and stuff like backups are more, but realistically not that much of a jump.
21:11:57Arsenif that server is still up you could check with ethtool
21:12:22speachyoh, there's plenty of non-rockbox stuff on this box
21:13:06Arsenifconfig, not ethtool, sorry
21:13:08speachy(though rockbox stuff is easily >75% of normal load these days)
21:13:45_bilgusspeachy sorry to hear that :/
21:14:27speachythe state of the infrastructure is far, far improved over what it was when I took it over; migrating elsewhere is a much more straightforward prospect now.
21:14:55speachythough this might be the impetus to finally ask for control over the domain name.
21:15:41_bilgusand why not
21:16:17_bilgusIs the forum able to be read only now?
21:16:37speachyyeah, that can be toggled at any time, why?
21:16:50speachy_bilgus: drop-dead date is end of the _year_ not the month
21:16:57_bilgusIt would be nice to host that somewhere
21:17:35_bilgusthat'll be here before we know it :p
21:17:36speachythe forum traffic is 2-3GB/mo,
21:18:04_bilguswe had discsssed moving it somewhere for posterity
21:18:35speachyit's honestly a rounding error on the overall system.
21:18:58speachythe wiki is the thing that needs to be taken out back and shot
21:19:31_bilguseh thats what I meant read only the wiki (incluidng the wiki and tracker) is ~30-40GB/mo, 4GB of disk space, and where most of the operational headaches come from
21:20:55speachy(the wiki, I mean)
21:21:28_bilgusits a treasure trove of info
21:21:49speachymaking it read only won't change the bass-ackward insanity that is its architecture.
21:21:52_bilgusitd be nice to push it off on githubs servers
21:22:06speachythe right thing to do is export it staticly
21:22:20Arsenone could probably write an ad-hoc parser to take the weird bbcode and convert it to something sane like asciidoc, or markdown
21:22:38Arsenthere's very many tools to convert that further
21:22:46_bilguseven if it was 10000 pdfs
21:23:03speachyyeah, I've done a few passes at exporting it into a different markdown
21:23:31speachywell, if the next few months end up going as I kinda expect, I'm going to have a _lot_ of time on my hands.
21:23:58_bilgusat least someone oes
21:24:20_bilgusIve been at 8-12 hr days for like 4 months now
21:24:31_bilgusand gutting a house
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21:26:54speachyfosiwki has a static export plugin that works pretty well, actually. I just have to put together a template to get the output to match the rest of our site.
21:27:06speachy(that was the outcome the last time this subject came up)
21:30:29speachyone thing I can do is completely wipe the cache every day.
21:30:55speachy(kinda surprised I didn't do that already..)
21:31:18_bilguswhat does that accomplish?
21:32:02speachyit'll keep the cache's cache (yes really) from eventually wedging itself
21:32:12speachyand taking down the whole www server int he process
21:33:47_bilgus... wow
21:34:19speachybut it does run the risk of edits-in-progress getting possibly lost.
21:35:11_bilgusvery random
21:35:32speachy(because the user session could get nuked)
21:37:10Arsensounds like good design...
21:37:39speachyit's not normally a problem, but when a new bot storm hits, the server has enough bandwidth to cause things to keel over
21:48:45speachyok, daily manual builds are now on the daily build dl page
21:54:06_bilgusany idea(s) on the best way to represent the fraction part of a number returned from a string (atof in an int?)
21:55:28_bilgusI could do it by multiplying so .9999 till it becomes a whole or 2 compliment I'm not sure whats the easiest for the end user
21:55:55speachyany bounds on the fractional component?
21:56:23_bilgus32 bits
21:56:35speachyI meant number of digits
21:57:11_bilgusso far the users are 2-3 but I figure 6 is prob max
21:57:53speachyso you could return a floating point number as two integers, the second one in units of 1000000?
21:58:06_bilgusI'm not sure what the upper bound is I think they could mak their own parser otherwise
21:58:17speachy1/1000000 I mean
21:58:24_bilgusyeah thats the multiplied option
21:58:44_bilgusthats how I did in lua as well but its clunky
21:58:47speachyI mean this is about as simple as a generic option can get without just passing the buck
21:59:02speachyand making all arguments strings requiring the plugin to parse out
21:59:42_bilgusI think 32 bits wouuld a;;ow 1/1000000000
22:02:35speachyin all seriousness, I think making all arguments passed as strings makes a lot of sense.
22:02:51speachyreally simplifies the ABI
22:03:12_bilgusthey are but i'm making functions for the plugin lib
22:03:28speachymake 'em hex strings to make parsing possible without division
22:04:22speachysince only our newest targets have hardware division :)
22:07:17speachysince atoi() requires division by 10 with each digit
22:07:33_bilgusits multiply?
22:07:37speachybut parsing hex can just shift by 4 bits for each digit
22:08:24_bilgusoh you mean for decimals
22:09:08speachysorry if I'm stating the obvious
22:09:13speachybeen a long week
22:09:33_bilgusum no sounds interesting
22:10:50speachyand yeah I meant printing not parsing. sigh. I am more tired than I thought
22:11:47speachyparsing works with multiplies, printing needs divisions (for base-10)
22:15:44_bilgusI'd like to move a lot of the stuff in core to plugins
22:16:02_bilgusbookmarks, pitch_screen
22:16:13_bilguscouple others
22:16:41_bilgusI think the smallest is 6k largtes somewhere north of 15
22:17:24_bilgusI think parsing args makes sense for that
22:18:14speachyI can imagine HDD-based players seeing a perceitpble delay when trying to use those features
22:18:18speachyif they're moved to plugins I mean
22:18:37_bilgusI was even considering adding a core plugin buffer but it might be too much added complexity
22:18:40speachyflash-based would still have a delay, just might not be as noticable
22:19:31speachy...make the entire wps a plugin, huh.
22:19:40_bilgusfor as often as they are used I can't see keeping 50+k in the main binary
22:19:53_bilgusconsidered ity :)
22:22:13_bilgusfigure the added space is more runtime so whats the main use?
22:22:30_bilgusversus setting up stuff
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22:22:46speachythat would actually make it easier to fit on modern shovelware built on (eg) the rknano platforms
22:23:04speachyheck, even the main menu/UI could be yet another plugin
22:23:11speachyplugins all around!
22:23:21_bilgusalready experimenting with that
22:23:39_bilgusvoices in plugins opened that
22:25:24_bilgusmy only concern was the devices that are F'd and will no longer be able to limp along but..
22:25:45speachy...but time is already taking care of those
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