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| 08:34:58 | chris_s | Is anyone able to test g3769 on a first-generation iPod Mini? It seems to work fine on a Mini 2G but the it's honestly been blindly copied from the Ipod 4G source, specifically this Line: |
| 08:35:02 | chris_s | GPIO_SET_BITWISE(GPIOB_ENABLE, 0x0c); /* B02 and B03 enable * |
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| 08:48:19 | speachy | munkis: Our general needs are met by a $20-30/mo VPS. |
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| 08:50:04 | speachy | that's what I will do if I can't find reasonable accomodations for the existing server. (where "reasonable" means "sufficient bandwidth to be useable for a price I can afford") |
| 08:52:08 | speachy | granted, if we completely re-worked _everything_ we could probably fit within someone else's "free project hosting" framework |
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| 09:10:31 | yang | paulcarroty: I noticed that the headphones jack goes inside m3k with a problem, it gets stuck a bit, so I have to force it....? |
| 09:14:31 | yang | munkis: https://fosshost.org/ |
| 09:14:51 | yang | munkis: this hoster provides free building machines and hosting for Foss projects |
| 09:15:13 | yang | munkis: domain is about 10-15 EUR/year |
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| 09:59:13 | speachy | chris_s: I don't think anyone active here has a min1g |
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| 10:33:48 | paulcarroty | yang: slightly |
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| 11:39:05 | speachy | yang: the "strictly noncommercial" thing is something I'm not comfortable with. |
| 11:41:20 | speachy | I will shoot them an inquiry though. |
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| 11:53:46 | paulcarroty | yep, don't be shy to ask |
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| 12:58:31 | speachy | the fastest way to shrink our disk space needs are to keep fewer historical daily builds. we're currently keeping 30 days, and each day is about 2.2GB. |
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| 13:17:28 | braewoods | speachy: rockbox has always been non-profit more or less. why is non-commercial problematic? too vague? |
| 13:17:38 | speachy | yeah |
| 13:18:04 | speachy | even soliciting donations or having banner ads has been construed to making something "commercial" |
| 13:18:30 | speachy | but should we ever end up with our own hardware then that's clearly "commercial" too |
| 13:18:38 | braewoods | lmao. |
| 13:18:51 | braewoods | to me commercial was always about whether profit is the main motivator |
| 13:19:10 | braewoods | if you only seek to cover your operating costs... |
| 13:19:26 | braewoods | that's not what i would consider a serious commercial outfit |
| 13:20:25 | braewoods | i can't see how rockbox could be seen as commercial; we don't even SELL anything |
| 13:21:02 | braewoods | at most we sometimes have developers trade hardware around |
| 13:21:43 | braewoods | speachy: what are the requirements you need filled anyway? |
| 13:22:03 | speachy | the main sticking point our hosting needs is RAM usage. gerrit alone sucks down 2GB just sitting there. :) |
| 13:23:19 | speachy | I have some inquiries into some local colo facilities too |
| 13:23:21 | braewoods | interesting. i currently rent a soyoustart dedicated server with Romster. 4x 2TB drives and 32GB of ECC RAM. |
| 13:23:35 | braewoods | we got it on special for like $32 a month |
| 13:24:23 | braewoods | it also includes 16 IPv4 extra addresses we use for containers |
| 13:24:43 | speachy | yeah, that's half their current lowest priced offering now |
| 13:25:00 | braewoods | i suggest waiting for a black friday special if you're looking at so you start |
| 13:25:09 | braewoods | you get the discount for the duration of the lease |
| 13:25:47 | braewoods | you also get KVM video access through their web interface |
| 13:25:53 | braewoods | you can get into the BIOS and more |
| 13:26:06 | braewoods | i actually had to use network booting to get our custom setup installed |
| 13:26:46 | braewoods | the ipv4 addresses are really nice for having public containers |
| 13:27:02 | braewoods | you pay a one time fee to activate them but the first 16 don't carry a recurring cost |
| 13:27:06 | braewoods | it's included in your service |
| 13:27:38 | braewoods | containers could be useful for helping separate rockbox systems. |
| 13:27:48 | braewoods | i use ubuntu server on our server |
| 13:27:58 | braewoods | i have to reboot every 2-3 weeks for kernel upgrades or so |
| 13:27:58 | speachy | separating things is more administrative overhead than consolidating everything |
| 13:28:08 | braewoods | i see, fair enough. |
| 13:28:43 | braewoods | soyoustart also includes 100GB of FTP "backup" with their service |
| 13:28:50 | braewoods | it can be upgraded |
| 13:28:57 | speachy | do you get to install whatever you want on 'em or does it have to be one of their pre-canned distributions? |
| 13:29:06 | braewoods | you can install whatever you want. |
| 13:29:08 | speachy | ok. |
| 13:29:11 | braewoods | just like on KimSufi. |
| 13:29:22 | braewoods | you have full control over the boot process more or less. |
| 13:29:26 | speachy | is the backup rsync, or just "dump crap over FTP" |
| 13:29:32 | braewoods | dump crap over FTP |
| 13:29:41 | speachy | that's kinda useless. :) |
| 13:29:43 | braewoods | i think it has other service options but those cost extra |
| 13:29:46 | braewoods | let me look |
| 13:30:20 | braewoods | lmao. the us site defaults to French. |
| 13:30:22 | braewoods | Why? |
| 13:30:40 | bertrik | pourquoi? |
| 13:31:08 | speachy | ho.. was engrish for me |
| 13:31:23 | braewoods | speachy: ok. the other options are SMBFS or CIFS. |
| 13:31:28 | braewoods | err |
| 13:31:30 | braewoods | NFS |
| 13:31:32 | braewoods | sorry |
| 13:31:46 | braewoods | NFS and CIFS |
| 13:32:02 | yang | speachy: check also contabo.com & online.net for dedicated servers |
| 13:32:24 | braewoods | speachy: the main issue i've seen with OVH is their ipv6 setup is a joke. :) |
| 13:33:01 | braewoods | no Prefix Delegation. You have to proxy NDP to get anything to route. |
| 13:34:12 | braewoods | speachy: oh, also to note they waive the setup fee if you buy a large enough initial lease. |
| 13:34:20 | speachy | I'm practically swimming in servers here. Just don't have a place to put anything that has any bandwidth to speak of. |
| 13:34:41 | braewoods | if you do colo it'd have to be local. |
| 13:34:46 | braewoods | otherwise not practical. |
| 13:34:52 | speachy | local-ish yeah |
| 13:35:31 | braewoods | isn't colo where you just rent the physical space, power, and data? everything else is your problem i presume. |
| 13:35:37 | speachy | I have some inquiries, but there's not a lot of colo options that don't involve "capable of withstanding a direct nuke hit" levels of redundancy. |
| 13:36:28 | braewoods | well if nuclear war occurs, we've got bigger problems than data preservation :) |
| 13:36:34 | yang | speachy: colo is usually more expenssive than renting a powerfull dedicatred server |
| 13:36:39 | speachy | yeah |
| 13:37:18 | speachy | the smaller operators often will let you just get a couple of U in a shared rack intead of renting an entire cabinet |
| 13:37:46 | speachy | we'll see. |
| 13:40:03 | speachy | it's a two-pronged problem −− there's rockbox's needs, and then there's my own needs. rockbox can easily be handled by a moderate VPS. |
| 13:41:12 | speachy | throw my needs into the fray (not a lot of bandwidth, but a lot more disk space) and the price jumps a lot. |
| 13:54:16 | braewoods | speachy: how much is a lot? |
| 13:55:14 | speachy | a VPS that'll handle rockbox's needs can be had for under $30. Add in 3TB of disk space, and you rapidly hit WTF territory. |
| 13:55:43 | braewoods | sounds like dedicated is a better value if you're doing both on the same server. |
| 13:55:51 | speachy | yep |
| 13:56:22 | braewoods | SYS, the one i rent has 500 megabits i believe |
| 13:56:59 | speachy | but the same reason I need that 3TB (and growing) of disk space also means the more cores, the better. Pre-COVID I'd routinely max everything out for days on end. |
| 13:57:23 | braewoods | the SYS server i got uses a quad core... a ... |
| 13:57:34 | braewoods | Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1231 v3 @ 3.40GHz |
| 13:57:50 | braewoods | plus with all the mitigations may actually perform suboptimally |
| 13:57:54 | speachy | rockbox's current server has 16 cores. pre-upgrade it was 12. :D |
| 13:58:13 | braewoods | sounds like you should do colo first then |
| 13:58:41 | speachy | but at home here I have 16c/32t box that doesn't do much except when builds are going (and regression tests for my printer stuff) |
| 13:58:57 | speachy | that's one of four nodes in this beast; the other three aren't even plugged in |
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| 14:00:03 | speachy | so I can move the resource-intenstive stuff off of the server, leaving only general-purpose shell server stuff, and then that 4c Xeon E3 is plenty |
| 14:00:24 | speachy | (I have one of those lying around too, fwiw..) |
| 14:00:51 | speachy | I'm very bandwidth limited by crappy DSL. |
| 14:05:52 | paulcarroty | speachy: check ramnode |
| 14:06:53 | braewoods | speachy: how bad is the DSL? |
| 14:07:08 | braewoods | cable here is pretty sucky for upstream. |
| 14:07:13 | braewoods | though 200 megabits down. |
| 14:07:24 | speachy | at one location it's 13/1.25 (and actually offline at the moment) |
| 14:07:53 | speachy | where I'm typing it's ~40/5 but flaky in crappy weather (which lately is most of the time) |
| 14:07:59 | paulcarroty | well, it's feels like 00's beginning |
| 14:09:16 | speachy | paying through the nose in both places. |
| 14:27:26 | paulcarroty | for data you can use cloud services, guess it will be a lot cheaper |
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| 14:56:51 | braewoods | speachy: well our server has a fair bit of unused space. we use it for builds and a minecraft server currently. |
| 14:57:25 | braewoods | looks like we use about 200GB out of a 4TB ZFS setup |
| 14:57:55 | braewoods | if you want to sub-lease part of it let me know. |
| 14:58:06 | braewoods | it sits idle a lot. |
| 14:58:21 | braewoods | we already have a web server on the main server front too |
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| 15:02:31 | braewoods | speachy: there's an option i've known about awhile |
| 15:02:39 | braewoods | you heard of OBS? |
| 15:02:54 | braewoods | opensuse build service |
| 15:03:03 | braewoods | you could probably leverage it to do rockbox test builds |
| 15:03:21 | braewoods | provided you could set it up to work within some packaging wrapper |
| 15:04:25 | paulcarroty | please don't |
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| 15:04:41 | paulcarroty | OBS is gigantic pain in the ass |
| 15:05:10 | braewoods | another option is launchpad |
| 15:05:14 | paulcarroty | a lot of stupid linters by default |
| 15:05:18 | speachy | not worth the hassle. |
| 15:05:22 | braewoods | fair enough |
| 15:05:37 | speachy | we have builders, and if we lose a few things will just take longer. |
| 15:05:49 | braewoods | i'm familiar for both as i maintain the integration with OBS for ungoogled chromium |
| 15:06:54 | paulcarroty | me too and I don't wanna use them both after Github Actions experience |
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| 16:28:27 | amachronic | g#3770 if anyone wants to do a quick sanity check |
| 16:28:29 | rb-bluebot | Gerrit review #3770 at https://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/c/rockbox/+/3770 : bugfix: redraw yes/no screen after a full skin update by Aidan MacDonald |
| 16:29:06 | amachronic | my concern being whether adding another event might overflow the limited number of event slots available |
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| 16:38:31 | amachronic | though running out of slots is a panic, so I guess I'll merge and see if anyone starts complaining |
| 16:40:14 | amachronic | we're at the limit in terms of total event slots used but I don't think the number of concurrent uses is that high. |
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| 19:15:14 | speachy | (I'd decided against going to kick it today, now I'm glad I didn't. It's been offline for nearly two weeks!) |
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| 22:29:33 | _bilgus | will targeting c99 specific stuff mess anything up? |
| 22:30:19 | speachy | we already use -std=gnu99 so nope. |
| 22:33:29 | _bilgus | good! |
| 22:33:32 | _bilgus | :) |
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