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19:48:47 | dconrad | what's the feasibility of adding USB DAC capabilities to rockbox? It should be technically possible, I mean this patchset exists circa 2018: https://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/c/rockbox/+/1009 |
19:49:18 | dconrad | I just wonder /how much/ work it would be, and how much of an overhaul it would require |
19:49:49 | dconrad | it would be neat to add that capability to older devices that never would have it from the OF, too |
19:51:11 | MarcAndersen | Do you mean so the player shows as a sound card? |
19:51:19 | dconrad | yeah |
19:51:26 | MarcAndersen | That would be great! |
19:51:31 | dconrad | it's a common feature on hifi-oriented devices |
19:51:54 | MarcAndersen | Yes, my Olympus voice recorders does it too. |
19:52:07 | dconrad | can't say I personally use it often, but it's a neat feature |
19:52:47 | MarcAndersen | Sure, then if you forget your usb sound card you could just use your player |
19:54:05 | dconrad | or, in my case, your work computer has something wrong with the sound card where it's got a weird echo and you just want normal sound haha |
19:55:34 | MarcAndersen | Exactly. I am really impressed over the xduoo x3's audio quality, I don't know if it's just me, but -25 db is wayyy louder on that than it is on my sansas. |
19:57:40 | dconrad | it's very likely the x3 just has better circuitry/DAC - the x3 is aimed at more of an audiophile crowd, where sansas are/were meant more for a general consumer market |
19:58:00 | dconrad | not to say the sansas have /bad/ sound quality, but the x3 probably is just /better/ |
19:58:33 | MarcAndersen | I think so too. |
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20:15:14 | speachy | as that old patch put it, we need working/stable isocronous support in the core and in drivers |
20:16:44 | speachy | the x3 was built to be "high quality" with external DACs and amps, whereas the sansas IIRC used the SoC's DAC and headphone amp. |
20:25:06 | speachy | MarcAndersen: I think I have a solution done for the numeric readback, but I still need to test it out. |
20:26:23 | MarcAndersen | Cool |
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21:06:13 | dconrad | related question to usb audio: would supporting USB digital out (i.e. external dacs) require full host support? Or would it also just need isochronous support |
21:06:42 | dconrad | and getting the audio sent to all the right place, obvs |
21:08:41 | dconrad | I finally figured out why the hifi walker's update image had references to spdif, they claim "optical out support" (with a usb adapter) |
21:09:08 | dconrad | no mention of where to actually get the adapter though, of course |
21:11:31 | speachy | we'd need full host support. |
21:11:44 | dconrad | ah, yeah never mind on that then |
21:12:24 | speachy | it's not inherently difficult, just more code and programming the hardware differently |
21:12:49 | speachy | (assuming the hardware supports it −− the newer stuff does but the older stuff might not) |
21:13:31 | speachy | oh, for optical output you can probably buy a random sp/dif usb device. they're all "standard" USB audio class |
21:14:56 | dconrad | I see |
21:15:44 | dconrad | I recently discovered optical connections might be kind of neat - I've been wanting a desktop CD player, but they're all super expensive... |
21:15:47 | speachy | the Hifiwalker (well, pretty much all HibyOS-based) devices just rely on Linux's USB audio support. |
21:16:19 | dconrad | ... come to find out some early portable CD players had optical out, so I'm going to try and get one and pair it up to a DAC/amp module for cheapo hifi |
21:16:24 | speachy | don't forget to get some oxygen-depleted gold-plated optical cables so you can minimize quality-sapping jitter. |
21:16:32 | dconrad | oh obvs |
21:17:01 | speachy | (from your MP3s of over-produced auto-tuned pop music) |
21:17:21 | dconrad | haha 64kbit, only the best! |
21:17:43 | speachy | for that authentic IDCT "warmth" |
21:17:44 | dconrad | nah, but for real I don't think those CD players really had audio circuitry worth writing home about, so it should be a neat experiment |
21:18:29 | dconrad | in any case it might have some "cool factor" to have a hifi desktop cd player |
21:18:56 | dconrad | might even do a 3d-printed stand/enclosure to make it one unit |
21:19:25 | speachy | my desk has a pair of car speakers mounted in enclosures made from PVC pipes, plugged into an amp board that lives inside a cigar box. |
21:19:44 | dconrad | haha proper jerry-rigging |
21:19:55 | speachy | (routed through an old nuReality Vivid 3D SRS processor box. Sounds _far far far_ better than it has any right to |
21:20:28 | dconrad | never mind the resonance nodes |
21:20:29 | speachy | the amp is one of the old tripath TA2024s. |
21:21:56 | speachy | the speakers are mounted in 4" -> 2" PVC reducers, with the base doubling as a bass port. A truly ghetto version of a Bose Wave speaker. |
21:22:46 | speachy | biggest problem is they're a little top-heavy and my cats keep knocking them off my desk. ;) |
21:23:03 | dconrad | lol well, that's why they're PVC, right? |
21:23:13 | dconrad | durable, cheap to replace! |
21:23:43 | dconrad | cat-proof |
21:23:46 | speachy | I had the speakers and I figured what the heck, it was worth the expirment. |
21:25:03 | speachy | I do want to redesign them as they're partially shielded by my monitor setup now. |
21:25:36 | speachy | (essentially do a 180 vertically) |
21:26:18 | speachy | (here's them put together before I painted 'em: https://www.peachyphotos.com/po/photo/223762:328901 ) |
21:26:41 | dconrad | hey, that's kinda neat lookin actually |
21:27:02 | dconrad | I was gonna ask if you painted them, or just left raw PVC for that homemade look |
21:27:13 | speachy | spray-painted 'em black, of course |
21:27:31 | dconrad | natch' |
21:29:07 | speachy | "computer speakers" are really crappy, and anything nice would have cost at least 4x what I put into this. |
21:29:30 | speachy | but I digress. |
21:29:43 | dconrad | so... $4? |
21:29:52 | dconrad | (nah jk) |
21:32:33 | speachy | I had the speakers and most of the smaller PVC bits already.. Including the amp I probably spent about $40. |
21:32:48 | speachy | all-in, probably something like $80? |
21:33:49 | dconrad | yeah, you really can't do better off the shelf for that kind of money than homebrew |
21:34:12 | speachy | I lack the skills (and equipment) needed to make something nice out of wood |
21:34:33 | dconrad | heck, if you really wanted to you could probably tune them in with an audio recorder and a drill |
21:34:55 | speachy | the amp is the limiting factor |
21:35:14 | speachy | (Oh, and I'm using doorbell wire to connect it all together) |
21:37:16 | dconrad | I typically limit my homebrew acoustic shenanigans to music equipment, where I can shoot more for "character" than "quality" |
21:37:32 | speachy | heh, "character" |
21:37:53 | dconrad | I built a 1x12" speaker cab in college, and honestly it ended up sounding really kickass |
21:38:15 | dconrad | I edge-glued solid pine boards and everything |
21:39:34 | dconrad | it's currently paired to a chinese 5w amp that I cut down into a head, because the 8" speaker really didn't sound very good anyway |
21:39:47 | speachy | I wanted to make a laminate waveguile speaker enclosure using sheets of carefully-cut plywood |
21:40:10 | dconrad | that sounds like something you would have to math out |
21:40:19 | speachy | well, what I _Really_ want is a full c&c cutter/mill/lathe/etc etc |
21:40:36 | dconrad | $$$ haha |
21:40:47 | speachy | and a laser-sintering 3d printer |
21:40:51 | speachy | $$$$$$ |
21:40:56 | dconrad | yup |
21:43:23 | speachy | but looping back around to rockbox & spdif. the iriver devices supported it (in and out!) but I don't know if anything else ever did. |
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22:18:43 | dconrad | if more x1000 devices end up getting ports, I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple with it, but they would probably be high-end models |
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