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| 00:15:08 | _bilgus_ | not a bug its a feature! |
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| 07:57:55 | ac_laptop | Hello people |
| 07:58:51 | ac_laptop | what are the status of the Creative ZEN and ZEN X-Fi targets ? it's not clear on the website |
| 07:59:28 | ac_laptop | https://www.rockbox.org/ puts X-Fi under "stable" and https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CreativeZENXFiPort says "This port is still unstable, use it at your own risks." |
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| 08:09:24 | spork | unstable is much different to unusable |
| 08:09:37 | spork | unstable often means you need some skills to get it going |
| 08:09:46 | spork | or that it lacks a manual |
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| 08:15:02 | ac_laptop | is there still some activity on the Creative targets ? or has the rockbox development shifted towards audiophiles DAPs now ? |
| 08:15:18 | spork | the ZEN X-Fi can be installed using the Rockbox Utility, that makes it considerably more 'stable' than the ZEN which cannot |
| 08:16:03 | spork | i am not sure any of the active developers have one, and i do not recall any Creative-specific development recently |
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| 08:21:22 | spork | not since 2017 it seems |
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| 08:59:52 | MarcAndersen | I had an x-fi some time ago, and I think it was working fine, except a few times where it wouldn't boot and I had to put a pin in the reset hole |
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| 10:04:40 | MarcAndersen | Do anyone have an ipod nano 1g around? I still have the problem with copying files takes very long in rockbox but normal in the OF. It nearly takes 5 minutes to transfer a rockbox build on around 16 mb. |
| 10:09:18 | MarcAndersen | The problem is mostly with many small files, transfering one big file is fine, but 400 small files with the same total size is really bad. |
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| 14:22:36 | Syco54645 | braewoods: i can report that the e200 will not mount if there is no battery |
| 14:22:51 | Syco54645 | i can also report that it is full of mlm training material |
| 14:36:42 | tertu | okay so, are there any meaningful differences between the various eros clones? it seems like not really, at least ones that are relevant under rockbox |
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| 16:15:58 | Syco54645 | so i am attempting to use multiboot on my sansa e200 v1 but see no way to confirm that it is running from the sd card. i do not see the Bootdata entry that this is talking about. https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MultibootBootloader#Check_if_Rockbox_is_running_from_SD_card |
| 16:26:47 | _bilgus_ | Syco54645, I had to remove the e200v2 due to lack of space, might be ok now but I'd have to revisit it |
| 16:28:29 | _bilgus_ | BUT the e200V1 is a different arch PP portal player IIRC that being said assuming there is space and you are willing to test for me and I can figure out how to add boot data after 5 years.. |
| 16:36:54 | _bilgus_ | oh Syco54645 Nevermind it does have bootdata |
| 16:37:11 | _bilgus_ | rockbox_main.e200 |
| 16:37:24 | _bilgus_ | and likely it needs to be a dev version |
| 16:38:22 | _bilgus_ | ah johnB did it |
| 16:38:34 | _bilgus_ | maybe I helped don't remember |
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| 16:43:15 | _bilgus_ | yep we enabled it https://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20200820 |
| 16:44:13 | Syco54645 | _bilgus_: so then i need a dev build for it still? i was not sure about that. the manual did not really say |
| 16:44:29 | _bilgus_ | Syco54645, actually it might be that we never updated the bootloader in rbutility |
| 16:44:54 | _bilgus_ | but for sure a dev build this was after 3.15 was released |
| 16:45:24 | _bilgus_ | let me grab you a link for the bootloader I built for johnb just incase (ill be AFK for 4 more hours) |
| 16:49:48 | Syco54645 | i am flashing the devbuild now |
| 16:52:06 | _bilgus_ | ah I didn't compile that bootloader and the one on download.rb.org is from 2009 so no we did not update it |
| 16:54:43 | _bilgus_ | I shall do this tonight, you can just leave the dev build on there in wait but I will have to compile it unless johnb shows up with the copy he built before I return |
| 16:55:23 | _bilgus_ | then you will have to flash a new bootloader won't be much worse than using rbutil |
| 16:57:36 | Syco54645 | _bilgus_: thank you. i will be afk for most of the night but try to check back here and there |
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| 20:09:14 | speachy | tertu: the OF payloads are different, but otherwise the hardware is identical. |
| 20:19:16 | speachy | _bilgus_: so... do you think checkwps should check that fonts fit within their viewports? |
| 20:19:28 | _bilgus_ | i'm looking into it |
| 20:19:33 | speachy | (I mean, we can't help it if the user selects a different font, but...) |
| 20:19:58 | _bilgus_ | I think I can clip them but I need to make sure it won't kill everything else |
| 20:20:24 | speachy | had a lot of fun in that respect with the statusbar |
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| 20:47:07 | Syco54645 | _bilgus_: i dont know if it is correct but after flashing the latest dev build i have the "Boot data" but i dont think it loaded from sd correctly, researching to understand what i am seeing on the screen |
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| 20:49:13 | MarcAndersen | Hi. Why does the h key in the ipod simulator only lock the buttons and not the scroll wheel when it does that on a physical target? |
| 20:49:38 | MarcAndersen | I mean the hold switch |
| 20:53:11 | _bilgus_ | Syco54645, if it works it should state CRC_OK and probablt list vol <1> |
| 20:54:23 | _bilgus_ | the bootloader has a date of 2009 on dl.rb.org whick rbutil uses |
| 20:54:58 | _bilgus_ | and johnb and I just 2020 added this so.. |
| 20:55:37 | _bilgus_ | MarcAndersen, likely someone forgot to do so |
| 20:55:44 | Syco54645 | yeah it reports crc bad and boot volume 0 |
| 20:55:56 | _bilgus_ | that wheel is a pita too so might play a role |
| 20:56:16 | _bilgus_ | Syco54645, yeah i'll have to build you a bootloader |
| 20:56:52 | _bilgus_ | first I have to relearn how to |
| 20:58:09 | MarcAndersen | Is it correct that some of the usb settings under general - system are missing in the simulator? |
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| 21:00:42 | Syco54645 | _bilgus_: i have done that many times. "i will NEVER forget this. i have done it a bajillion times"... dont do it for a while and uhhhhh |
| 21:01:30 | _bilgus_ | we have so many ports that use different methods |
| 21:02:18 | Syco54645 | i can imagine that would be difficult to keep straight |
| 21:07:59 | speachy | _bilgus_: I don't know if we've explicitly tested any bootloaders (other than the mips targets) since the gcc 4.9 migration |
| 21:08:24 | braewoods | speachy: we tested the iriver coldfire ones. |
| 21:08:31 | braewoods | remember? i built them after the 4.9 toolchain |
| 21:08:36 | speachy | ah yeah |
| 21:08:55 | braewoods | the gigabeat S bootloader was also tested by me after |
| 21:09:02 | speachy | but Syco54645 is referring to a sansa ams (or is it a PP?) one |
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| 21:14:51 | _bilgus_ | its pp |
| 21:15:23 | _bilgus_ | and I don't see the steps for building the actual bootloader |
| 21:16:25 | speachy | I recall having to tweak the linker script for the PP targets to boot properly. I don't remember if I ever checked the bootloader build too |
| 21:16:52 | speachy | (the linker helpfully overlapped two regions for us, causing crashy crashy fun) |
| 21:17:33 | _bilgus_ | it appears to have just spit out the file |
| 21:17:39 | _bilgus_ | e200Bootloader/PP5022.mi4 |
| 21:18:47 | _bilgus_ | 25% larger hope it fits |
| 21:19:25 | Syco54645 | _bilgus_: reading the logs that you linked before i dont know if it will |
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| 21:20:13 | _bilgus_ | I did some fixing since for the clip+ to fity should apply here too |
| 21:20:23 | Syco54645 | the manual for the e200 contains a multiboot section, which is why i thought it was supported |
| 21:20:31 | _bilgus_ | https://www.mediafire.com/file/be2wogug3kf6hrt/PP5022.mi4/file |
| 21:20:48 | _bilgus_ | oh it is we just forgot to update the bootloader for everyone else |
| 21:21:54 | Syco54645 | what info do i need to read to learn how to flash this file? |
| 21:22:13 | speachy | _bilgus_: I _think_ the bootloader linker script is ok. |
| 21:22:44 | speachy | or at least the ncbss/ncdata sections don't overlap with anything else. |
| 21:23:00 | _bilgus_ | be back in a bit https://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 21:24:20 | speachy | yeah, looks good |
| 21:24:45 | speachy | I don't know if I fixed that linker script too or it just didn't have the same problem as the main app's.. |
| 21:25:07 | speachy | (I really don't want to brick their player by handing them something completely untested...) |
| 21:26:43 | Syco54645 | speachy: wouldnt the recovery mode still work on the e200? |
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| 21:28:03 | Syco54645 | yeah i mean recovery comes up in rockbox, so unless i am misunderstanding this bootloader provided by _bilgus_ is the rockbox bootloader and should be ok? |
| 21:28:17 | Syco54645 | then again i am wrong quite often |
| 21:29:21 | Syco54645 | oh but the rockbox bootloader replaces the sansa fw completely so i suppose it could be dangerous |
| 21:32:34 | Syco54645 | speachy: so i placed the PP5022.mi4 on my sd card and ran it from the files menu and it worked fine. dont know if that helps in any way. also crc is reported as ok so the multiboot works in that regard |
| 21:38:58 | speachy | if it worked, great! I just wanted to confirm the same issue we had with the main PP firmwares wasn't (still) an issue for the bootloader, because of the general bricking potential |
| 21:39:21 | speachy | a bif of well-deserved paranoia on my part |
| 21:39:59 | Syco54645 | speachy: well i didnt get it flashed on to the device at this point. but running it and it seems safe |
| 21:48:22 | Syco54645 | i will hold for now from flashing but initially it at least runs. i do not know if that means it is safe to flash at this point. i will defer to the experts for that |
| 21:52:01 | _bilgus_ | interesting that it allowed you to run it like that |
| 21:53:48 | Syco54645 | _bilgus_: well i read the ROLO section right above multiboot and it said i could so i figured couldnt hurt ;) |
| 21:54:38 | _bilgus_ | it appears to have a recovery 'mode' as well |
| 21:55:34 | Syco54645 | _bilgus_: if you mean the e200 yes it does. https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 21:56:17 | _bilgus_ | yeah I made sure it did an wasn't jtag lol |
| 21:56:55 | Syco54645 | i am ok with jtag recovery as long as i have a documented process |
| 21:58:07 | _bilgus_ | can we get rbutil to do this for us? |
| 21:58:19 | _bilgus_ | install the new bootloadr? |
| 21:58:47 | _bilgus_ | Syco54645, windows or linux? |
| 21:58:51 | Syco54645 | _bilgus_: it looks like i can copy the mi4 file to the device when in recovery mode and it _should_ flash it |
| 21:59:01 | _bilgus_ | ah ok |
| 21:59:04 | Syco54645 | which ever, i have both. windows may be better my linux is basically hozed |
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| 22:00:36 | Syco54645 | actually the appimage for the rbutil was being REALLY complainy so i used windows. it is a different machine and i can rdp in to it so it really isnt an issue to use that. then i dont have to worry about udev rules or anything funky. |
| 22:01:06 | _bilgus_ | I'm not sure where the files are stored on windows |
| 22:01:22 | Syco54645 | which files am i looking for? |
| 22:01:43 | _bilgus_ | but I presume you can copy the new one into the working dir and get rbutil to stuff it for you but IDK I don't use rbutil |
| 22:01:56 | _bilgus_ | the pp.mi4 one |
| 22:02:45 | Syco54645 | well the other option seems to be sansapatcher but i do not understand what mi4 file it is using |
| 22:03:03 | _bilgus_ | if you have that we can do it manually |
| 22:04:05 | Syco54645 | yeah i can get that on my windows machine |
| 22:05:42 | Syco54645 | ok, so not to be daft but what file is this flashing? |
| 22:05:54 | _bilgus_ | hmm IDK it looks like it might have the bootloader embedded in it |
| 22:06:10 | Syco54645 | haha, that makes sense then |
| 22:06:14 | _bilgus_ | I'd say try your recovery mode |
| 22:06:36 | Syco54645 | rbutil is also all in one on windows |
| 22:07:35 | _bilgus_ | I hope we can just upload the new bootloader to download.rb.org and it all just works but it never seems to go like that |
| 22:11:24 | Syco54645 | it caught on fire... FROM WORKING! |
| 22:11:34 | Syco54645 | it worked. booted from the sd card as well |
| 22:11:46 | Syco54645 | anything else i need to test for this _bilgus_ ? |
| 22:12:12 | _bilgus_ | bootdata says CRC OK and <!>? |
| 22:12:19 | _bilgus_ | <1> |
| 22:13:46 | Syco54645 | yes it does |
| 22:13:50 | _bilgus_ | awesome |
| 22:13:55 | _bilgus_ | thanks for playing |
| 22:14:14 | Syco54645 | i meant is there anything else i can help to test with this before it is uploaded for general consumption |
| 22:14:40 | _bilgus_ | you can try usb mode from the bootloader |
| 22:14:45 | Syco54645 | i had already checked that it booted from sd before saying it worked ;) |
| 22:15:05 | _bilgus_ | need to eject sd card and rename the .rockbox dir on internal |
| 22:15:33 | _bilgus_ | then try to connect by usb and copy a ne .rockbox to internal |
| 22:15:43 | _bilgus_ | (dev build) |
| 22:15:58 | _bilgus_ | and if that works then we can say its a successful bootloader |
| 22:16:41 | _bilgus_ | speachy you think of anything else? |
| 22:17:12 | Syco54645 | ok so basically force it to a panic state. i assume when it cant find .rockbox it drops in to some sort of a flash drive esque mode to put the .rockbox dir back |
| 22:17:53 | _bilgus_ | yeah and if you put the sd in it should work too |
| 22:18:10 | _bilgus_ | but it'll say something like no .rb dir plug usb |
| 22:18:29 | _bilgus_ | assuming it has usb support I suppose |
| 22:18:40 | Syco54645 | should i try putting the sd card back in before restoring the .rb dir on the device? |
| 22:18:45 | _bilgus_ | sure |
| 22:19:01 | _bilgus_ | I'm confident it'll work due to the fact it booted from it |
| 22:19:07 | Syco54645 | figure try every permeation |
| 22:19:22 | _bilgus_ | the mb stuff fails safe |
| 22:19:51 | Syco54645 | didnt even get to renaming and hit a panic |
| 22:19:53 | _bilgus_ | its amazing how much I managed to delete from that code to make it fit |
| 22:20:36 | _bilgus_ | whats the message? |
| 22:21:15 | Syco54645 | so _bilgus_ i had the device off, plugged usb in to computer, plugged cable in to e200 and it paniced. i took a picture for you. i will upload it in a moment |
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| 22:21:37 | _bilgus_ | likely thats in the fw not the bootloader |
| 22:22:17 | Syco54645 | https://photos.app.goo.gl/1WSo2zTyELKaiX836 |
| 22:22:19 | _bilgus_ | depends on who had control |
| 22:23:31 | _bilgus_ | hmm OOM |
| 22:24:22 | Syco54645 | it tried to fail over to the stock fw when the .rb folder isnt found. then it turns off when it cant fail over |
| 22:24:41 | _bilgus_ | its the bootloader |
| 22:24:59 | _bilgus_ | I verified in the map vs the PC |
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| 22:25:46 | _bilgus_ | so I think our best bet is probably to contact johnb4 and ask him to give us the one from last year |
| 22:25:50 | Syco54645 | ok, so here is what happens when i rename the folder. it gives me no way to recover |
| 22:26:07 | Syco54645 | https://photos.app.goo.gl/1WSo2zTyELKaiX836 |
| 22:26:57 | _bilgus_ | put in the sd and reboot |
| 22:27:11 | Syco54645 | _bilgus_: already ahead of you ;) |
| 22:27:26 | Syco54645 | i was going to grab the of and drop it in system and see what happens |
| 22:28:00 | _bilgus_ | Wait till we talk to johnb |
| 22:28:30 | _bilgus_ | You are fine to use the device as is but he is familar with the device |
| 22:29:05 | Syco54645 | _bilgus_: will do. i will restore the .rb directory and just idle in here. i never reboot this machine. |
| 22:29:10 | Syco54645 | thanks for helping so far |
| 22:29:43 | Syco54645 | also if you need help testing i do not mind. i am a software engineer so know how important it is to get accurate bug reports |
| 22:29:51 | Syco54645 | and testing complete for that matter |
| 22:29:59 | _bilgus_ | yeah I'm sorry I don't have more experience with this device but I just came up with the multiboot ideal for a few devices I owned |
| 22:30:55 | _bilgus_ | john probably knows a bit more about it but i'll see if I can tell what chnaged from last year |
| 22:31:07 | _bilgus_ | hope its not the tool chain upgrade |
| 22:31:46 | _bilgus_ | and testing is paramount in the bootloaders before we release them |
| 22:32:07 | Syco54645 | _bilgus_: nbd. i loved this device when i was in college. then i won a zune at some conference my uni sent me to. it was meh and needed windows. not great when you have 1 pc it is running linux. i was looking for a rb device for playing my live recordings and then i saw the e200 was supported and knew my destiny |
| 22:32:33 | Syco54645 | oh i did not own this in college. kinda sounds like i did. my gf did and it was great |
| 22:34:39 | Syco54645 | oh and live concert recordings are released in flac. should have specified why i was seeking out rockbox in the first place. |
| 22:36:16 | Syco54645 | regardless, thank you for your help. this fixes the player so that the flash will not degrade further from writes at least. |
| 22:44:58 | _bilgus_ | Syco54645, http://www.mediafire.com/file/aqb5823gpu9m3lq/file |
| 22:45:12 | _bilgus_ | there is johns version could you try that? |
| 22:48:50 | _bilgus_ | hopefull the usb worked back then and it wasn't just missed |
| 22:54:27 | _bilgus_ | also I presume that the firmware would have this issue as well... |
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| 23:28:13 | johnb2 | _bilgus_ I will have to fetch the e200 from my son tomorrow to confirm the behaviour. I will post the results here. |
| 23:29:10 | _bilgus_ | awesome, thanks |
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| 23:41:50 | _bilgus_ | hmm I don't actually see the audiobuffer in the map file |
| 23:42:20 | _bilgus_ | I'd think that wouldbe a compile time error maybe I'm missing something |
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