#rockbox 2022-12-05

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03:35:28	paulcarroty	speachy, https://twitter.com/fosshostorg/status/1598510697524203521
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14:24:41	speachy	paulcarroty: thanks. we're not hosted in that datacenter, fortunately.
14:27:25	amachronic	speachy: did you see fosshost.org?
14:27:57	amachronic	apparently they are no longer offering their services...?
14:28:22	speachy	oh. so it's not a single datacenter as specified in that tweet
14:28:38	speachy	well, shit.
14:32:24	speachy	I keep nightly incremental backups of the server, including the database.
14:33:50	speachy	but (doing aquick check) download.rockbox.org is NOT part of that for an unknown reason
14:34:27	speachy	is there any info on what happened behind the scenes to cause this sudden cliff?
14:36:20	amachronic	not sure... I would've thought they'd send you an email or something.
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14:37:00	speachy	yeah, unless it's a "complete lockout" situation where they can't even access that info any more.
14:37:18	amachronic	some news here: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/open-source-software-host-fosshost-shutting-down-as-ceo-unreachable/
14:37:19	speachy	ok, no more builds after this one, please
14:37:41	amachronic	allegedly the CEO is unresponsive
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14:39:07	speachy	wtf, okay that build failrue makes no sense.
14:40:00	speachy	(all contained within the mips android build which has probably been completely pointless for even longer than our android port)
14:41:08	speachy	Ok, I stand corrected. I have a complete backup of everything as of about ~3am US Eastern time.
14:42:09	speachy	I am technically able to host everything again but it would be on a ~15/1.25 DSL line. Even if the fiber stuff out here happens that's still a year off.
14:43:31	speachy	we're using 4 cores, 10GB RAM, and ~200GB of allocated disk space.
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15:04:24	speachy	we're using about 120GB of that, of which ~70GB is three weeks of daily buids.
15:08:25	speachy	I'm open to hosting suggestions.
15:17:35	speachy	OVH has an 8vc, 16G RAM, 320GB space thing going for $50/mo with a 12 month contract. With our current slush funds we can cover that for a bit under four years.
15:17:55	speachy	2Gbps unmetered bandwidth too, which is nice.
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15:35:49	speachy	sigh. only consolation is that much larger (and more important) projects than ours are getting smacked with this too.
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16:18:54	speachy	I'd appreciate it if someone that partakes in reddit would make a post there about us potentially going dark.
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16:45:49	Richard42	I have a couple of development questions. I made this small change a couple of days ago to prevent the player from shutting off the screen while the user is turning only the scroll wheel
16:46:19	Richard42	last night I set up a development environment on a linux machine and made a build which included this code. this morning I put it on the player, but to my great surprise it did not fix the problem
16:47:22	Richard42	I'm puzzled as to how that's possible because I was 99% sure it would fix it. So I need to debug. my questions are: how do I know which source file changes will require me to update the bootloader instead of or in addition to the main rockbox binaries
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16:48:36	Richard42	and second, is there a simple way to update the firmware (like copying over just a single file) to iterate on debugging this? I think it's probably not necessary to copy over all the folders and files of the entire project when I have only made a small code change
16:49:36	speachy	with regards to (2), .rockbox/rockbox.erosq (I think) is all you need. Of course depending on what you change you might need to rebuild everything else.
16:51:53	speachy	the odds are very high that you will not ever need to rebuild the bootloader −− figuring out exactly what goes into it is a litte tricky, look at bootloader/SOURCES and firmware/SOURCES −− anything wrapped in #ifdef BOOTLOADER (or not wrapped at all)
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17:04:16	speachy	in other news the ipod arrived but given the circumstances I'm not going to do anythig with it for a little bit.
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17:42:17	speachy	I'd appreciate suggestions on what to do about hosting. OVH has a special deal going that expires tomorrow afternoon (~21h from now) which seems to be the "best" option for the time being.
17:43:31	speachy	but the good pricing means signing up for 1 or 2 years, and cancellation means paying anyway. Granted I'd prefer to not have to go through another migration yet again.
17:46:12	speachy	$60/mo, or $600 for 1 year, or $900 for 2 years. We have $2367.66 in the rockbox fund.
17:46:52	speachy	that buys us 8 cores, 16GB RAM, and 320GB disk space. A nice upgrade from what we have (which is more RAM constrained than anything else, thanks to gerrit and that $@%@%!! wiki)
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17:50:42	amachronic	speachy: if OVH seems okay to you then go for it
17:50:44	speachy	For comparison, over the course of 2020 so far we've averaged under $25/mo in donations.
17:50:53	amachronic	... was about to ask that.
17:50:54	speachy	s/2020/2022/
17:51:31	amachronic	so it's not necessarily a long term viable solution.
17:51:52	speachy	for me the question is really "go for 2 year contract" or not.
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17:52:45	speachy	where "long term" is >4 years in the future even with no additional funds.
17:55:43	amachronic	i'd go for the 2 year contract.
17:56:05	amachronic	what are the chances you'll find a $300/yr or better option 1 year from now?
17:56:21	amachronic	(and then have to deal with migration... again)
17:57:38	speachy	I'm thinking that after 2 years if I do end up with fiber out here I can migrate things here, and then only have to worry about natural disasters and/or rednecks shooting up power substations.
17:58:18	speachy	migration is such a PITA.
17:58:53	speachy	at least it's just physical this time.
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18:40:21	_bilgus	Richard42, I posted just after you submitted that last patch something that should work see the logs here https://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20221202#18:36:35
18:42:16	_bilgus	speachy 450 a year isn't bad and being that you have the labor minimize it by doing the 2 years we can revisit it then
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20:42:33	CH23	personally speaking, I never noticed the donate button on the website. maybe put it in top right corner with a 'website cost/donation amount' counter underneath it? that would definitely help
20:45:35	CH23	also the wiki has quite some pages that could be reduced/streamlined. would love to help but i'm not willing to give as many personal details as is required to create a wiki account
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22:38:43	_bilgus	barring any bugs g#4876 is ready as far as I can tell with my testing
22:38:47	rb-bluebot	Gerrit review #4876 at https://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/c/rockbox/+/4876 : playlist add mutex to public functions WIP by William Wilgus
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