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| 10:14:08 | WACOMalt | Hey all, is there any way to force my iPod Mini running Rockbox to shut down? The usual holding down Play button doesnt seem to work. I think because this one detects being plugged in when it isnt sometimes. Is there just a menu option for shutting down? |
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| 10:55:37 | WACOMalt | I guess my real question winds up being Is there any way to have Rockbox plugged in, charging, while staying powered off? |
| 10:57:09 | gevaerts | I don't think I've seen any device where the hardware supports that |
| 10:58:16 | WACOMalt | Dang. The only way I can get it to really charge over a USB cable is to boot to apple firmware and put it in sleep mode and lock it. |
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| 11:22:57 | speachy | WACOMalt: some _very_ old targets (archos, iriver) supported that but only because they use a separate charging port. |
| 11:24:27 | speachy | when you say "really charge" is it that it charges too slowly otherwise, or is it just that you want it to "only charge" without being "on" |
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| 11:29:36 | WACOMalt | both. When its running while plugged into USB it doesnt seem to get enough charge to stop discharging. When in sleep mode on apple firmware, it will charge. |
| 11:29:47 | WACOMalt | But I cant get to "sleep mode" behavior on Rockbox |
| 11:30:38 | WACOMalt | also, related question, is there any way to disconnect USB data while plugged into a PC so it's only charging but still able to use the interface? |
| 11:39:46 | hactar|ant | are you certain the battery is discharging? |
| 11:40:20 | hactar|ant | i've used rb on a 2g mini and often it has a hard time reading the battery correctly |
| 11:41:23 | WACOMalt | it could just be misreading, but I know the battery is worn out. It will definitely fully run out of power while plugged into a 5v 3a USB power supply with the original USB cable(not PC USB port) |
| 11:41:43 | hactar|ant | interesting. and that's just with rockbox? |
| 11:43:30 | gevaerts | Rockbox power usage when just charging with backlight off and disk not spinning should be very low... |
| 11:44:18 | WACOMalt | Honestly havent tried in stock firmware yet. I'll test |
| 11:44:27 | WACOMalt | need to put a song or two on with iTunes first :P |
| 11:45:37 | gevaerts | For charging? |
| 11:54:35 | hactar|ant | i think my mini is on its 3rd battery now |
| 11:56:23 | WACOMalt | I ordered a replacement on ebay which arrived already swollen, so that was fun |
| 11:57:32 | WACOMalt | I still need to find a good replacement. elite obsolete electronics has a bunch but one of them is the same as the one I got, and the others seem to be shady with massively inaccurate capacity claims |
| 11:58:07 | hactar|ant | i've made several purchases from eoe, seems to be reliable and good |
| 11:58:57 | WACOMalt | Which battery did you order? |
| 11:59:15 | hactar|ant | not that he doesn't probably get his stuff from the same sources, but i'm guessing they're checked beforehand |
| 11:59:31 | WACOMalt | There's a 1300mAh one which I've read is actually only 400-600. and the one listed at 550 is the same model I ordered that arrived swollen (though maybe his are newer) |
| 11:59:52 | WACOMalt | so I'm just a little gunshy. I guess no one makes these new any more. |
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| 12:00:03 | hactar|ant | i think i got a 950? |
| 12:00:51 | hactar|ant | i think batteries might still be being manufactured |
| 12:00:53 | WACOMalt | ok I may just order that one then. At least one report of it being fine :P |
| 12:01:04 | hactar|ant | i swear mine had a date on it, or maybe just the packaging, that was only a year or two back |
| 12:01:08 | WACOMalt | I read the wires on that one are a little thick, did you notice a difference or have any issues with it? |
| 12:01:13 | WACOMalt | oh cool. That sounds much better |
| 12:01:37 | hactar|ant | yeah i can't promise anything, but out of a sample size of one i've had zero failures lol |
| 12:02:01 | hactar|ant | i don't remember any issues but i've put a lot of batteries in a lot of ipods |
| 12:03:17 | hactar|ant | also i use a compact flash card in mine which means there's a little bit more room in the case |
| 12:03:52 | WACOMalt | I do too now. Was wanting to replace the battery at the same time, but gonna have to do that later |
| 12:04:13 | WACOMalt | Currently a 32GB card. Tried a 128 but Rockbox failed to write to it for settings and stuff and frequently froze. |
| 12:04:34 | WACOMalt | When I do the battery though I'll try the 128 again with dev builds. That was on stable which I hear is pretty behind on flash mod updates |
| 12:04:42 | hactar|ant | really big cf cards are absurdly expensive |
| 12:05:03 | WACOMalt | oh yeah, sorry I mean mine is the iFlash.xyz SD to CF adapter. |
| 12:05:05 | WACOMalt | not actual CF |
| 12:05:12 | hactar|ant | ohhh |
| 12:05:17 | hactar|ant | yeah those things seem to be hit or miss ime |
| 12:05:25 | WACOMalt | works great with the 32GB card in it now at least |
| 12:05:46 | hactar|ant | i'm using one in a 4g but it gave a 3g fits |
| 12:05:59 | WACOMalt | dang |
| 12:06:00 | hactar|ant | my mini is an actual 32gb cf card that i picked up for just a couple bucks |
| 12:06:44 | WACOMalt | yeah the iFlash one is the only one that looks to be consistently good, but something about my card, or maybe Rockbox, was not happy. It seemed to be fine in apple firmware though, so I think the adapter and card are fine and I just needed the updates that are in the dev branch of RB |
| 12:07:09 | hactar|ant | yeah the issue i had on the 3g might be fixed by now, this was a couple years back and i think it was 3.15 anyway |
| 12:07:22 | WACOMalt | time will tell. I also have a 2g Mini coming from ebay in a month |
| 12:09:20 | WACOMalt | Dang, stable hasnt updated for awhile huh? |
| 12:09:24 | WACOMalt | still 3.15 isnt it? |
| 12:09:34 | hactar|ant | yep |
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| 12:16:02 | hactar|ant | https://imgur.com/a/7GLc9u9 my 5g these days |
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| 12:25:50 | speachy | I believe real CF cards have always been fine, but the CF->SD adaptors (and by extension, the ATA->SD adaptors) have been flaky |
| 12:26:27 | speachy | but there's zero reason to use the stable release vs a daily build |
| 12:27:05 | speachy | and if you're using anything other than spinning rust or a true CF card in the device, you really need to be using a recent dev build. |
| 12:27:28 | speachy | ("recent" in this context means something within the past year or so) |
| 12:42:26 | _bilgus_ | at this point dev builds are more stable and likely better tested than 3.15 for the majority of devices |
| 12:44:23 | hactar|ant | was mpegplayer really axed |
| 12:45:05 | _bilgus_ | its back for now but I still think it should be personally |
| 12:45:19 | _bilgus_ | or at least decoupled from core more |
| 12:46:08 | _bilgus_ | then again i'm the guy that thinks everything should be a plugin |
| 12:50:20 | _bilgus_ | I wonder if __builtin had any success with -fPIC |
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| 13:03:18 | speachy | there's a bunch of crap in the plugin API only used for mpegplayer. |
| 13:21:13 | _bilgus_ | I saw a few other things i'd like to rip out of the plugin API as well but I promptly forgot about them |
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| 14:35:20 | speachy | ObXkcd: https://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 14:36:30 | _bilgus_ | heh |
| 14:36:59 | _bilgus_ | my coffee warmer no longer works! |
| 14:56:07 | speachy | heh heh. might be a good use for some old-school 1st-gen Pentiums. |
| 14:58:45 | speachy | Oh loook. http://tj-cui.blogspot.com/2006/12/usb-powered-pentium-1-cup-warmer.html |
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| 16:51:50 | _bilgus_ | ha wonder if the pfp bug makes it work better as a warmer |
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| 17:02:33 | speachy | doubt it |
| 17:02:54 | speachy | just resulted in incorrect results, not a heat-generating lockup |
| 17:19:06 | _bilgus_ | heh yeah I know but in theory my pentium with fp bug was probably less efficient than the one they sent me that didn't have it fixed |
| 17:19:43 | _bilgus_ | it was a bit of time between the two bet their yields were better at least |
| 17:21:04 | _bilgus_ | rather the one they sent me that DID have it fixed |
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| 18:55:22 | luna1 | yo im getting a new ipod and i plan to flash mod it, but im on linux so installing the official ipod os would be a pain, is it possible to install rockbox without installing the official ipod os |
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| 22:00:14 | speachy | if it's already formatted in fat32 then it's pretty easy, otherwise it's a bit of a PITA. |
| 22:00:50 | speachy | if it's a device sold as an "ipod classic" (ie 6th/7th-gen) then it's also easy. |
| 22:01:22 | speachy | you only need to do the iTunes restore step if the device was formatted in with the Mac-specific HFS filesystem. |
| 22:01:42 | speachy | (it can be done manually too but... ugh) |
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