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#rockbox log for 2023-04-10

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11:23:45jssfrso I tried to figure out what kind of display interfaces there are which would be viable for the daisy board. The STM32H7 does have an LCD controller, but it seems to need a lot of pins (one for each bit of colour depth, plus some for control signals) which is not feasible with the Daisy breakout
11:24:01jssfrSPI or I2C seems too slow for even a rockbox-level UI, or am I missing anything?
11:24:11speachyseveral of our targets ahve SPI-attached displays.
11:24:25jssfruhuh, ok, then my guesstimate was off
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11:25:21speachyplus the STM32 can do the screen refresh completely automatically via its DMA engines
11:25:25jssfrI have a display breakout thing with a 240x128 pixel LCD, and that's driven via an external display controller via some kind of parallel interface and that's not fast enough for a full redraw in less than a second or so, so I assumed that SPI would also be too slow
11:26:20speachyI see the daisy board as an intermediate thing −− I think the real question is can that STM32 part hook up external DRAM _and_ the parallel display interface simultaneously.
11:26:55jssfrmmm right, 1MB of RAM is too tight, isn'tit?
11:26:56jssfrmmm right, 1MB of RAM is too tight, isn't it?
11:27:05speachyvery much so
11:27:11jssfrhow did I miss that
11:28:21jssfrdisplay + external memory + sdcard + buttons… that's some pin golfing
11:28:47speachywe only really need the fast onboard RAM for the display framebuffer and performance-critical stuff (eg codecs and display update code)
11:29:03speachythe daisy board already has everything but a parallel display bus pinned out
11:30:39jssfrI also don't see a memory bus pinned out, or am I missing something?
11:30:41speachy_eventually_ we'd want to spin a new board with any additional external components+connectors mounted (eg sd slot, audio I/O connectors, buttons, display connector, power mgmt)
11:30:57speachymemory is already onboard.
11:31:07jssfr!
11:31:08speachy(ie it's directly connected to the MCU)
11:31:10jssfrthat's how I missed it
11:31:20jssfrI was looking at the numbers on the daisy page
11:31:25jssfrokay, so that's solved, nevermind me :)
11:31:54speachybut as always the real sticking point is the enclosure. :)
11:32:11jssfrI can live with gaffa tape ;-)
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11:33:20speachygranted the software work isn't trivial either −− port to the Cortex-M family (should be pretty easy), drivers for STM32's peripherals −− SD, i2+audio codec, spi+display, and whatever button arrangement is deemed appropriate
11:33:22jssfrwhat parallel display interface were you talking about earlier?
11:33:58jssfrif an SPI display is going to be sufficient, there's a bunch of SPIs exposed on the pinout already
11:34:17speachyeither via the part's builtin display controller or we could effectively bitbang the classic 8/16-bit parallel display bus that lots of stuff uses.
11:34:33speachy(using the DMA engine this could be completely automagic too)
11:34:41jssfrack
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11:34:45speachybut I think SPI-attached should be fast enough
11:35:01speachythe mainproblem with SPI-attached displays is that they're costlier and there are fewer options
11:35:02jssfr16-bit parallel bitbanging via DMA? that sounds interesting
11:35:12jssfrI only touched the STM32F1 family so far
11:35:52speachyheh, if it came down to it we could always spi-attach a lcd controller and then use whatever display we want.
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11:36:10jssfrfor the built-in LCD controller there's definitely not enough pins wired out on the daisy board—as I said, it needs one pin per colour depth bit, plus four pins for sync/clock.
11:36:21speachythe thing shouldn't have any problem cranking the SPI bus at 16MHz or so.
11:36:47speachyyeah, I wasn't thinking using the daisy seed with the native display controller.
11:36:51jssfr(and that is ignoring the likely-existing constraints for pin assignment)
11:36:53jssfrright
11:37:16speachyI just wonder if it's even possible, based on muxing/assignments.
11:37:16jssfrshould look at what kind of displays the electrosmith (daisy) folks have in their more ready-made devices around the daisy board
11:37:51speachythere are tons of tiny/low-res screens for SPI attachment but larger sizes are considerably more limited.
11:38:39speachyhttps://www.ebay.com/itm/1-54-inch-TFT-IPS-LCD-Display-Module-240x240-SPI-Arduino-Raspberry-Pi-/293414789106
11:38:50jssfrsome LCD monochrome thing, like the old nokias had, would be pretty neat. no need for backlight most of the time :-)
11:38:53speachyone of the better ones (1.5 inch, 240x240)
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11:40:05jssfrhow many pixels do the clip targets have?
11:40:18speachy128x64 I think?
11:40:25speachyor maybe 160x64
11:40:34jssfr(that would be my benchmark−−-even though I got into rockbox with an iriver h320, my wps there was monochrome anyway :D)
11:41:15speachyMY daily driver is an xDuoo X3. same screen res as the clips but physically larger.
11:42:28jssfrI have some sansa clip-y device, not sure which, which I use as daily driver and one whose display mostly stopped working (unless USB-powered, and then only faintly) as a backup
11:43:06speachyI have a completely dead clip+ (flash toast) and a second one that's barely hanging on (but thre's an issue witht the display)
11:47:40jssfrI have some dead creative zen somewhere, death by drop :(
11:47:49jssfrgravity and I don't like each other
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15:13:16speachyah, finally identified the exact MCU on the Dasiy Seed −− STM32H750, which is 1MB RAM and 128KB flash onboard.
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