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| 06:10:58 | sudorm | hi |
| 06:11:27 | sudorm | once rockbox is installed on a iPod, can I plug the cable, and it is recognized as a USB flash drive, and I can just copy/paste the MP3 in folders? |
| 06:11:44 | sudorm | UMS stlye ? (USB Mass Storage) |
| 06:13:12 | spork | yes |
| 06:13:20 | sudorm | ok perfect :) |
| 06:13:32 | sudorm | the dream for an IpoD to just copy/paste without iTunes :) |
| 06:15:06 | sudorm | and last question: my MP3 library is organized in folders like MP3/Artist - Album name/01-Songname.mp3 and without ID3 tags. Can Rockbox just use folder names and filenames, instead of using ID3 tags? |
| 06:15:47 | gevaerts | At least back in the day, that's what most developers used to do |
| 06:15:56 | jssfr | sudorm, you can use the file browser at least in that case |
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| 06:17:27 | sudorm | re, i was disconnected |
| 06:17:38 | jssfr | sudorm, you can use the file browser at least in that case |
| 06:17:40 | spork | there are logs |
| 06:17:54 | jssfr | (I don't think that the database supports extracting tags from file system tree structures) |
| 06:18:18 | spork | https://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20230428 |
| 06:18:19 | sudorm | jssfr, would you have a screenshot? is the UX of file browser ok for daily use ? |
| 06:18:31 | sudorm | spork, thanks |
| 06:18:36 | spork | i only use the file browser, it is fine |
| 06:18:42 | sudorm | spork, great :) |
| 06:18:43 | gevaerts | Why would you want to use the database if you have your files organised in a decent structure and you explicitly don't want to use tags? |
| 06:18:58 | sudorm | i can't wait to install rockbox :) |
| 06:19:05 | sudorm | gevaerts, i don't know yet, i haven't installed it yet |
| 06:19:20 | spork | gevaerts: to be constantly surprised ? |
| 06:19:30 | jssfr | sudorm, it's basically a what you'd expect from a file browser :) |
| 06:19:32 | sudorm | i'm looking for a "buyonceforlife" portable audio player |
| 06:19:43 | sudorm | which one would you recommend me to buy ? |
| 06:19:49 | sudorm | iPod classic 4th gen? |
| 06:19:50 | jssfr | one line per folder, some key to go into a file, and you can add whole folders/subtrees to your playlist at once |
| 06:20:13 | sudorm | I'm looking for something solid, that can last 10 years and easily replace it by another one if damaged |
| 06:20:30 | sudorm | with ok battery and good navigation |
| 06:20:47 | jssfr | most rockbox targets have ok battery and good navigation |
| 06:21:01 | jssfr | I've been bouncing between sansas after having used an iriver h320 for nearly a decade. |
| 06:21:02 | spork | nothing you can buy today will be easy to buy in 10 years |
| 06:21:03 | sudorm | I see many iPod classic for 30 € second hand. Would you go for this? |
| 06:21:17 | gevaerts | "ok battery" is something that has changed over the years though |
| 06:21:18 | sudorm | spork, I think there will still be many iPod classic on second hand market |
| 06:21:39 | sudorm | jssfr, sansas fuze ? |
| 06:22:09 | jssfr | no, clips |
| 06:22:09 | spork | i use a sansa clip+ daily |
| 06:22:20 | jssfr | sansa clip, clip zip, clip+ |
| 06:22:27 | spork | and just put a new battery in a clip zip |
| 06:22:28 | gevaerts | Basically if you buy second-hand and you want to do 10 years with it, flash-based players are a big risk |
| 06:22:59 | spork | with my sansa's i flashed the mukti |
| 06:23:04 | gevaerts | Those things are ten years old by now, you're basically expecting 20 years from flash. That won't happen |
| 06:23:15 | spork | multi-boot bootlader as soon as possible |
| 06:23:26 | gevaerts | That will help, true |
| 06:23:27 | sudorm | which ones easily upgrade to 100 GB ? |
| 06:23:46 | sudorm | ipod classic (replace HDD by SSD?) or Clip+ ? or ipod mini? |
| 06:24:11 | gevaerts | Hard disk based players can usually have their hard disk replaced with some flash part, which you can then do again should it wear out. |
| 06:24:16 | spork | ipods sold much better so more used available and parts too |
| 06:24:49 | gevaerts | Installing a CF card in an ipod mini (2nd gen ideally) is fairly easy |
| 06:25:38 | sudorm | gevaerts, so ipod mini + CF card mod + 128 MB SD card + new battery = good to go for 10 years ? |
| 06:26:00 | spork | a good start for sure |
| 06:26:12 | jssfr | the clip+ things take a micro-sd and should easily take a 128 GB card |
| 06:26:54 | spork | my 2nd clip+ does not do anything at all anymore. does not even turn on when plugging in usb :( |
| 06:27:02 | jssfr | RIP |
| 06:27:04 | sudorm | jssfr, oh good to know! |
| 06:27:47 | sudorm | what do you think about Apple iPod Classic 6G 2007 ? https://www.leboncoin.fr/image_son/2334954055.htm ? For 49€ it seems a good option ? |
| 06:27:48 | jssfr | but they're plastic, with all that implies |
| 06:27:50 | spork | down to 7 rockboxed players now i think |
| 06:28:22 | gevaerts | sudorm: there is of course the caveat that the ipod mini was discontinued in 2005 (if what I find is correct. It won't be more than a few years off though), so they're 18 years old *now*. I don't know if those things get capacitor problems, but if they do, they'll start appearing soon. It's tricky... |
| 06:28:24 | jssfr | (I fondly recall having accidentally thrown my iriver h320, turned on, with spinning disk, across the room without any damage. only six years later or so the disk died of tick of death) |
| 06:29:51 | gevaerts | To be honest, I think the secret to getting a player you can use for ten years is to buy five of them that are in decent condition |
| 06:30:02 | jssfr | that sounds about right |
| 06:30:05 | jssfr | and never let them fall down |
| 06:30:06 | gevaerts | If you're talking about that golden era of players of course |
| 06:30:13 | sudorm | Is this one a Ipod mini 1 or 2 ? https://imgur.com/a/nKIVwxf |
| 06:30:17 | jssfr | oooor build one yourself ;D |
| 06:30:28 | sudorm | This one is 30€, seems ok |
| 06:30:52 | jssfr | gevaerts, and regularly make sure the batteries are in good charge |
| 06:31:12 | gevaerts | sudorm: very hard to say from that side. You need the model number. Although I vaguely seem to remember that maybe they were sold in different colours? |
| 06:31:24 | gevaerts | jssfr: or take the batteries out of the spares entirely |
| 06:31:40 | jssfr | gevaerts, with the sansas, that involves side cutters unfortunately |
| 06:31:48 | gevaerts | Right |
| 06:32:01 | gevaerts | Oh, there's a second photo :) |
| 06:32:28 | sudorm | gevaerts, yes :) |
| 06:33:07 | gevaerts | Hmm, while I'm pretty sure the model number is on the back there, it's not exactly legible |
| 06:33:56 | gevaerts | Hang on, https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204217 says they have the same model number? |
| 06:34:17 | gevaerts | I find that hard to believe... |
| 06:34:44 | paulcarroty | fuze+ is good |
| 06:34:50 | gevaerts | https://everymac.com/systems/apple/ipod/ipod-faq/ipod-nano-mini-shuffle-apple-model-numbers.html might help? |
| 06:35:18 | sudorm | I'll try this! |
| 06:35:34 | paulcarroty | painless upgrade and repair, built-in fm radio |
| 06:36:01 | paulcarroty | ipod sucks for all above |
| 06:36:14 | sudorm | gevaerts, you mean it's easy to open the case of this iPod mini, replace battery, replace flash, close case again ? |
| 06:37:05 | paulcarroty | opening ipod is hard by design |
| 06:37:25 | gevaerts | sudorm: easy is relative, but there's harder ones than the mini, definitely |
| 06:37:26 | paulcarroty | thx, apple |
| 06:39:13 | gevaerts | sudorm: https://www.instructables.com/Upgrade-Your-iPod-Mini-With-Flash-Memory−−-No-More/ seems to be a decent guide |
| 06:39:56 | sudorm | thanks! |
| 06:39:57 | sudorm | brb |
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| 06:40:03 | gevaerts | I think they're easier to open without too much visible damage than most other ipods |
| 06:44:13 | jssfr | ah, if that in the article there is how a gen2 looks, the one you posted, sudorm, is likely to be a gen1. |
| 06:44:33 | jssfr | judging by the discrimination criteria on the apple website gevaerts linked ("The hard-drive size is engraved on back of the device") |
| 06:44:47 | jssfr | that engraving seems to be missing in the photos |
| 06:44:52 | gevaerts | Ah, right! |
| 06:45:16 | gevaerts | Makes sense |
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| 13:29:02 | bilgus_ph | Clip+ is my favorite player i have mine set aside for retirement and have been using NOS clip zips for probably the last 5 years #1 has button issues and on #2 ATM with TEO more in the blister pack (need to open them ABD charge batteries like the one I sent speachy |
| 13:29:17 | bilgus_ph | Two more ahem |
| 13:30:09 | bilgus_ph | The fuze+ is my FAV hardware out of the sansas but the touch pad leaves a lot to be desired |
| 13:31:05 | bilgus_ph | The fuze V1/2 are tricky to replace batteries in without breaking the scroll wheel I'm told |
| 13:32:52 | bilgus_ph | The clip zip has external ribbon with the buttons it gets moisture under the metal button bubbles so IVE started using some cellophane tape to seal them a bit better to great effect |
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| 14:01:30 | paulcarroty | f+ touchpad works better with lower sensitivity |
| 14:26:25 | speachy | yeah, I've personally ruined 3, 4 fuze v1/v2s trying to change the batteries. |
| 14:26:56 | speachy | f+'s touchpad did wonders to raise my blood pressure |
| 14:27:22 | speachy | that said I picked up a handful of 'em recently, and they could go do an interested home |
| 14:30:14 | _bilgus | even with the touchpad its very good hardware quite speedy and a good DAC |
| 14:30:54 | _bilgus | the Fuze+ was my truck MP3 player for years |
| 14:31:47 | _bilgus | I'm still waiing on a family friend to 3d print a back big enough to hold @ 18650 liions |
| 14:31:56 | _bilgus | 2 of them |
| 14:32:32 | _bilgus | I think it was something lik 10x the original capacity |
| 14:58:47 | paulcarroty | speachy, any video/photo guide for fuze disassembly? |
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| 15:00:10 | paulcarroty | still have one, rented by family member |
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| 16:53:16 | speachy | paulcarroty: "don't do what I did" :D |
| 16:53:52 | speachy | Other than the keypad, my only complaint about the Fuze+ was a lack of a line out. Otherwise it was quite nice. |
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| 20:23:34 | gevaerts | I can't say I'm impressed by the name research done by those Daisy people. DAISY has an established name for audio players (mainly audiobooks) for visually impaired people. It feels a bit odd not to find that when coming up with a name for your audio player board |
| 20:31:35 | speachy | it's not meant for audio players per se, it's meant as a component for instruments, effect pedals, etc. |
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| 20:35:03 | gevaerts | Right. Still feels a bit close though |
| 20:35:16 | gevaerts | It does look like useful hardware |
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| 20:36:24 | speachy | yeah. so naturally, Somebody(tm) needs to implement DAISY on Daisy. :D |
| 20:37:00 | gevaerts | Of course! |
| 20:41:22 | speachy | ... that might ruffle some feathers |
| 20:42:27 | speachy | huh, DAISY has been supersceded by EPUB, |
| 20:42:37 | speachy | EPUB with media overlays, that is. |
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