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| 05:27:36 | kirvesAxe | I just ordered an Aigo Eros Q and while waiting for it to arrive, I'm wondering if i should go with the hosted or the native port. |
| 05:30:25 | kirvesAxe | I assume the hosted port has similar limitations than my aging AGPtEK Rocker hosted port - connecting USB (no matter if power or data) always makes the player go to connection mode (unless holding a button while connecting) and no support for the wake-up mode |
| 05:31:48 | kirvesAxe | but the hosted port seems to support exFAT formatted microSD cards |
| 05:33:28 | kirvesAxe | How about the Aigo Eros native port, does it support 1) power-only usb without disabling the player / MTP mode 2) wake-up mode 3) exFAT microSD ? |
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| 05:35:48 | spork | native rockbox does not support exfat |
| 05:39:06 | kirvesAxe | Okay, that' a big drawback compared to the hosted port... |
| 05:45:48 | kirvesAxe | (A 256GB FAT32 microSD does not sound like a nice idea) |
| 05:46:36 | spork | using the hosted port first probably has the least impact |
| 05:50:15 | kirvesAxe | Yeah. I'd get pretty much the same things I like with the Rocker and miss the same things from the clip+ :) |
| 05:51:32 | kirvesAxe | (Would native rockbox be able to support ext4 microSD or something similar? :D) |
| 05:54:47 | spork | no, just fat32 |
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| 05:58:19 | kirvesAxe | Would any other filesystems be easier to implement in the future? |
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| 06:08:33 | spork | any new filesystem is a lot of work |
| 06:08:42 | spork | exfat would probably be most desirable |
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| 07:54:20 | kirvesAxe | Yeah. exFAT is the standard for SD cards above 32GB after all... |
| 07:54:59 | * | gevaerts grumbles about standards for block devices specifying filesystems |
| 07:55:53 | kirvesAxe | (And most rockbox capable players available nowadays seem to be without internal storage but support for 128-256 GB cards... would feel awkward to be limited to 32GB or using FAT32 on those huge cards) |
| 07:56:59 | speachy | rockbox now supports GPT partitioning at least. |
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| 07:57:26 | speachy | but you can just reformat any SD card (up to 2TB anyway) as FAT32 |
| 07:57:33 | kirvesAxe | gevaerts, well yeah, kinda... except that it kinda improves certainty of devices working together (even though thoose cards can be formatted to other filesystems lol) |
| 07:58:12 | speachy | (...I'm 95% sure taht my camera formats all of its SD cards as fat32 instead of exfat.) |
| 07:59:08 | kirvesAxe | speachy, would you consider a 256GB FAT32 card (with huge sector size) with an Aigo Eros Q native port better than just using an exFAT card with the hosted port? |
| 07:59:24 | speachy | actually, yes |
| 07:59:49 | speachy | the native port has only two plusses in its favor, exfat and the potential for bluetooth. Otherwise it's worse in every way. |
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| 08:00:46 | speachy | well, I suppose it also has USB-DAC support, and I also added the ability to access usb-attached storage too |
| 08:00:53 | speachy | so make that four plusses |
| 08:02:47 | speachy | that said I don't recall the underlying problem with respect to the plug-in-at-powerup issue. |
| 08:03:17 | speachy | I know I did a ton of work a while back to improve the platform integration but I don't remember if that was one of the things I improved. |
| 08:04:23 | speachy | (the ROcker got those improvements too, but you had to re-flash the newer rocbox "bootloader" (aka application switcher). the real bootloader isn't something we touch) |
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| 10:01:51 | kirvesAxe | Yeah, haven't really bothered re-flashing a dying player (left channel dead already etc), just been focusing on what replacement to order and from where :) |
| 10:03:16 | kirvesAxe | But guess I'll wonder around while waiting for the delivery :) |
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| 11:00:52 | _bilgus | Ive been using 128 and 256gb cards with fat32 with no issues for years what does exfat buy you? |
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| 11:42:34 | Nyaa | ipodvideo also seems to struggle with opus playback |
| 11:43:09 | Nyaa | doesn't seem to skip but the interface does become quite sluggish |
| 11:43:16 | Nyaa | skip/lag* |
| 11:43:19 | Nyaa | [the audio] |
| 11:44:04 | bertrik | it was last synced upstream in 2019 |
| 11:44:47 | * | Nyaa is half tempted to read the opus spec and try to write a faster decoder |
| 11:45:26 | Nyaa | well maybe a newer version would also be faster who knows, don't think i tried opus playback last time i had a portalplayer device lol |
| 11:46:01 | bertrik | wow, initial opus implementation is from 2012, time flies |
| 11:46:40 | spork | speachy: you mean hosted, not native |
| 11:47:47 | Nyaa | _bilgus, i mean, with an iflash quad on ipod devices with 48-bit addressing it should be possible to have 2tb of storage :p |
| 11:48:28 | Nyaa | with larger sizes often comes higher latency when using fat32 because of larger clusters |
| 11:49:20 | Nyaa | not sure if rockbox's fat32 implementation is impacted by that, but other embedded implementations i've seen are |
| 11:50:02 | Nyaa | it generally becomes noticeable at 256gb and gets worse as you go up |
| 11:51:10 | Nyaa | for slower cards may be noticeable at 128 or even 64 |
| 11:55:19 | Nyaa | if rockbox's implementation is impacted, it's likely it wouldn't boot at all without a modification to the drive timeout |
| 11:55:22 | Nyaa | on 1tb or 2tb |
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| 11:59:35 | Nyaa | [or, if it does boot, would be quite slow when doing any kind of disk searching] |
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| 12:13:59 | speachy | spork: yeah, you're right |
| 12:15:08 | speachy | Nyaa: IIRC we updated to then-modern opus a few years ago. if anything it slightly hurt performance. |
| 12:15:29 | speachy | whoops, bertrik I mean. |
| 12:16:26 | speachy | there's almost guaranteeed to be optimization opportunities in opus if you're willing to do some arm7tdmi asm work. |
| 12:16:57 | Nyaa | what is that, armv4, armv5? |
| 12:17:01 | speachy | armv4t |
| 12:17:07 | speachy | (thumb-only) |
| 12:17:14 | Nyaa | isn't that the same as the gameboy advance? |
| 12:17:30 | Nyaa | it is lol |
| 12:17:39 | speachy | yep, IIRC the GBA was the first commercial use of that core |
| 12:17:50 | Nyaa | might take me a bit of stumbling but i could probably do something |
| 12:19:08 | Nyaa | watch me get distracted and write a gameboy advance emulator-pseudohypervisor thing /s |
| 12:21:33 | Nyaa | idk i tend to make really weird stuff if i get focused on it, has been a while though |
| 12:21:49 | Nyaa | last time that happened i reimplemented most of discord's client-server api in a week out of spite |
| 12:29:09 | speachy | there's already some ASM for armv4t but looks like armv5 is where most of the asm lies. |
| 12:29:26 | Nyaa | ah, for opus? |
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| 12:31:33 | speachy | yeah |
| 12:33:00 | speachy | there's more asm in current opus code but I don't know if any of it matters for us. |
| 12:33:18 | Nyaa | huh |
| 12:33:47 | Nyaa | armv4 has a lot less instructions than i expected |
| 12:35:21 | * | Nyaa looks at the thumb part |
| 12:36:25 | Nyaa | ah ok that brings it closer to what i expected lol |
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| 13:33:14 | Nyaa | lol, can't do opus playback with any audio effects enabled [haas, bass enhancement, etc] |
| 13:42:18 | kirvesAxe | _bilgus_, well first of all my current 256GB microSD card in my player is in exFAT so at least the beginning transition will be more annoying :) but in general, exFAT increases the maximum filesize and decreases the minimum filesize... |
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