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| 11:46:38 | Trzyzet | @tm512 I knew the guy which was trying to tell me when you convert flac/wav file to DSD that DSD file sounds better than original file before converting |
| 11:56:21 | hactar|ant | the tangara looks pretty nice |
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| 13:03:42 | buZz | hactar|ant: yes |
| 13:03:48 | buZz | i hope we can get rockbox running on it :) |
| 13:03:56 | buZz | ESP32 -should- be plenty fast i think |
| 13:04:08 | buZz | is it on sale yet? |
| 13:04:17 | buZz | no :( |
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| 13:40:15 | _bilgus | how much ram though? 4MB? thats not much but was doable with the clips 8MB would be better which I'd almost think they have to be using since lua is involved |
| 13:41:18 | _bilgus | next issue is how fast is that RAM I see its PSRAM which speachy mentioned the other day I think |
| 13:44:03 | _bilgus | and finally I see what appears to be a capacitive touch pad is that just protected with conformal coating? I guess you could sandwich some plastic in there, hopefully they have grooves in the bezel openings to sandwich an oring up against the screen and touch pad |
| 13:44:36 | _bilgus | otherwise I don't see it lasting long in my general enviroment |
| 13:44:47 | buZz | _bilgus: there are 16MB external ram versions of ESP32 |
| 13:45:03 | buZz | PSRAM on octal SPI is pretty fast |
| 13:45:42 | buZz | i doubt thats conformal coating btw, likely -only- soldermask |
| 13:45:53 | _bilgus | even worse |
| 13:46:05 | buZz | sure, its just a esp32 devboard with a fancy-ish case |
| 13:46:39 | buZz | btw, esp8266 even can run lua interpreter with less than 1MB ram |
| 13:46:39 | hactar|ant | how come the ipods had so much ram? |
| 13:46:43 | _bilgus | I'm all for anything that gets people using RB |
| 13:46:51 | _bilgus | that HD |
| 13:46:59 | hactar|ant | just as buffer? |
| 13:47:04 | _bilgus | they got battery life by buffering |
| 13:47:14 | buZz | _bilgus: yeah i'm excited for it, hope we can get it operational with it |
| 13:47:46 | buZz | rockbox on such a 'inadequate mp3 player' imho is wayyy cooler than some 'my first ipod emu' that they provide |
| 13:47:53 | _bilgus | I'm slightly disappointed to not see that device using eLUA |
| 13:48:06 | buZz | the device doesnt have to , its just a devboard |
| 13:48:27 | buZz | 'nodemcu' etc are a line of esp8266 devboards with elua preflashed |
| 13:48:28 | _bilgus | I'm saying out of the box thats like its whole onus |
| 13:48:40 | buZz | i dont really see this player as a product |
| 13:48:46 | buZz | even though its on crowdsupply |
| 13:49:01 | buZz | its just a 'look i made a devboard!' slight upscaling |
| 13:49:37 | _bilgus | fine w/ me those cases being out there could lead to something rb related later |
| 13:50:53 | buZz | yeah i wish they were out too |
| 13:52:04 | _bilgus | what we need to do is get people competing on getting RB in weird places playing doom :p |
| 13:52:46 | _bilgus | RB on my rigol playing doom lol |
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| 14:08:34 | _bilgus | In our current form I think you'd just be putting a bootloader in flash then loading rb from the sd card we don't really have anything with flash that I'm aware of but it'd be possible to move some things to ROM if one were motivated |
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| 16:08:08 | buZz | _bilgus: why on earth would you need any bootloader |
| 16:08:18 | buZz | you can just start rb directly, no bootloader required |
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| 16:29:50 | stgiga | I want to submit a pull request to update the version of GNU Unifont used to UnifontEX, which DOES have a BDF version and also supports Plane 1 (which is unsupported by the 15-year-old version on the Github repository. In fact, that version is missing MANY characters from Plane 0 compared to UnifontEX which is made from MUCH newer versions of |
| 16:29:51 | stgiga | Unifont.) |
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| 16:50:29 | speachy | the ESP32 module in that part has an 8MB QSPI PSRAM. However, there's only 4MB of address space for the PSRAM mapped region. So... yeah. It _might_ be possible to play MMU games to bankswitch on the fly but that's not something I'd assume is feasible starting out. So it's going to be a 4MB port initially. |
| 16:51:41 | speachy | the reason to put rockbox in flash (as opposed to ram loading it off the SD card) is to free up RAM. We really don't want to have to execute out of PSRAM, for example. |
| 16:52:16 | speachy | we'd need the onboard SRAM for performance-critical stuff like codecs, framebuffer, etc. |
| 16:53:53 | speachy | it's more than a "devboard with a fancy case" −− it uses an off-the shelf ESP32 module, but the carrier board is their own design. |
| 16:55:01 | speachy | stgiga: rockbox uses gerrit: https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingGit |
| 16:56:00 | stgiga | I do want to know how Rockbox reads font information |
| 16:58:42 | speachy | tm512: wrt the xDuoo X3; we don't implement 24/32-bit audio or DSD even when the hardware is technically capable. We do support >48KHz if the hardware can handle it. |
| 16:59:20 | speachy | I use an X3 as my daily driver, primarily due to the line out and the wonky buttons which make using it by touch quite easy. |
| 16:59:42 | stgiga | Looking at the existing BDF from 15 years ago, I noticed something VERY nice: that version of Unifont actually doesn't require me to edit the BDF at all from "UnifontExMono", because a family name/etc field is not even in that 15yo BDF |
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| 17:00:01 | stgiga | so I can just do a PR replacement of the BDF and be done with it |
| 17:01:40 | speachy | stgiga: does the fonts/README tell you what you need to know? |
| 17:02:40 | stgiga | That does |
| 17:04:18 | tm512 | speachy: seems like a good device though I'm kinda on a budget, since the more expensive a device is the harder it gets to justify it over just using my phone |
| 17:06:26 | stgiga | The main problem however is that, on principle, I never reveal my real-life name online for my own personal safety |
| 17:07:22 | tm512 | kinda worried this is going to be like the time I picked up a Cubieboard for my first time playing around with ARM stuff, had about a week where I thought it was neat while I set up a Linux from Scratch system, eventually realizing the thing had no practical use for me |
| 17:07:31 | speachy | rockbox has had to deal with legal threats in the past, and we have to be able to show the provenance of every contribution. |
| 17:07:32 | tm512 | at least an MP3 player is easier to imagine uses for |
| 17:08:24 | stgiga | IF I were to attempt to satisfy the requirement for my real name, like I do on ALL sites that require one, I won't actually use the name on my birth certificate. |
| 17:08:27 | speachy | tm512: budget-wise it'll be hard to beat one of those new-old-stock Fuze+ or an older ipod. |
| 17:09:21 | stgiga | Provenance of every contribution? I don't know what that means |
| 17:09:43 | stgiga | also, I still have my deadname on my birth certificate |
| 17:09:51 | stgiga | my chosen name does not currently legally exist |
| 17:10:15 | stgiga | And I certainly do not want to dox myself |
| 17:10:30 | stgiga | I *almost* ended up on Kiwi Farms |
| 17:12:10 | stgiga | Given this, I find it too risky to *actually* reveal my name. |
| 17:12:17 | speachy | I'm nto sure if this particular scenario has come up in the past or not, but we have to cover our own posteriors too. |
| 17:13:59 | tm512 | speachy: microUSB support on the Fuze+ *and* the microSD slot are definitely bonuses over the iPods even though I kinda like the look of the iPods more. Fuze+ really does look like a product of its time |
| 17:14:45 | stgiga | Something I will divulge is that *accidentally*, my online handle begins with the first two letters of my real last name |
| 17:14:50 | stgiga | this was not intentional |
| 17:15:15 | speachy | I _think_ in the past we've allowed a public psudonym to go into CREDITS as long as we have a private record of the real name. |
| 17:16:31 | speachy | If that's something acceptable to you, then I will confer with the (*ahem*) elders who had to deal wth the legal BS in the past and see if that will work. |
| 17:17:11 | stgiga | I'm *not far off* from being an LGBTQ+ person related to a homophobic Supreme Court justice |
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| 17:17:22 | speachy | I think I can speak for everyone here and unequivocably state we have no desire to out your deadname or cause you any personal grief. |
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| 17:20:42 | stgiga | Well, nothing says that I have to be the one to put the file in. |
| 17:22:36 | speachy | True enough, as long as that other person is willing to take the credit/blame. |
| 17:25:03 | speachy | tm512: It's possible that with more work, the touchpad on the Fuze+ can be made to be quite nice. But I remember it infuriating me all the time back when I had one. To the point where I threw it across the room in frustration and destroyed the screen. |
| 17:27:47 | speachy | it's a shame though; with a traditional button arrangement (or wheel like the Fuze/v2 had) the + would have been one of the greats IMO. |
| 17:27:55 | stgiga | The good news is that the BDF in Rockbox already actually is missing the misc information fields that FontForge (what I used) puts in a BDF, and those don't erase my existence. Also, I have the BDF on my Github, and I have it on my personal Github Pages repo so it can be directly grabbed. It's in the right filename, and I'm also happy to state that |
| 17:27:56 | stgiga | it is roughly the same size as the existing BDF. Also, I have an old iPod Nano (the one that has color photos and a classic click wheel but no camera). |
| 17:28:03 | speachy | the factory firmware was quite bad wrt the touchpad too. |
| 17:29:41 | tm512 | speachy: well, returns are an option with this seller, which would be an annoyance to have to do, but if the touchscreen is so bad that it gets in my way too much, I could return it and opt for an iPod |
| 17:30:20 | speachy | stgiga: roughly the same size but with much greater character/glyph coverage? that seems .. improbable. |
| 17:30:36 | stgiga | Unifont by default has hex box placeholders |
| 17:30:44 | speachy | aah. |
| 17:30:57 | tm512 | probably would go for an iPod and replace the HDD eventually. I'm guessing the fact that they use a proprietary connector is less of a liability than with less popular devices |
| 17:31:27 | tm512 | guessing replacement cables will be available for a long time |
| 17:33:31 | tm512 | less of a liability compared to the older Sansa devices, specifically |
| 17:34:58 | stgiga | Where should I post the link to the BDF? |
| 17:34:59 | tm512 | Fuze+ with microUSB is like the second best connector it could have. I'd prefer miniUSB, but I guess it was getting less cool to use that connector when the Fuze+ was made |
| 17:37:10 | speachy | it's the other way around −− it has a mini-B connector, not the latter micro-B connector. |
| 17:37:29 | speachy | s/latter/later/ |
| 17:39:43 | stgiga | I put the BDF link in the forum post I made on the topic |
| 17:44:50 | tm512 | speachy: hmm, wikipedia says micro, and googling "sansa fuze plus usb connector" brings up like shop listings for microUSB cables |
| 17:46:16 | stgiga | Seeing as how I'm 21 (and thus unable to have legally changed my name prior to COVID), revealing the name on my legal records is something that is a problem, given the nature of it, in combination with other factors. I don't mind not being directly attached to a commit. Not to mention that my experience with Git itself has never been a fun one (I |
| 17:46:16 | stgiga | remember trying to push stuff to my Github over command-line, and it was never fun, and I frequently messed up.) |
| 17:47:03 | stgiga | I actually haven't eaten today so I need to go AFK right now. |
| 17:48:18 | speachy | tm512: ... all hail wikipedia. I blame my grumbling stomach. |
| 17:49:34 | tm512 | even if wikipedia were wrong and I bought it under the assumption it was microUSB, I do have some miniUSB cables kicking around somewhere |
| 17:50:13 | tm512 | use one to connect my keyboard to my PC so that one is tied up but I'm pretty sure I've got at least one or two more |
| 17:51:31 | speachy | nope, you're right, it has a micro-usb. could have sworn it was old enough to have a mini instead |
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| 18:02:46 | tm512 | I wonder what kind of work would need to be done to improve touchpad support on the Fuze+, because I do know C, but I don't have a lot of experience with bare metal programming |
| 18:04:20 | tm512 | I did at one point start work on programming my own kernel, but never got to the point of stuff like device drivers |
| 18:06:24 | tm512 | I remember reading something about how the OF supports gestures but rockbox does not. I'm guessing in the OF that's like really basic stuff like scrolling up and down to navigate or scrolling left and right to seek through a track? |
| 18:08:43 | speachy | IIRC we never implemented any sort of gesture support. the touchpad is effectively a 9x9 grid. |
| 18:08:53 | speachy | er, 3x3 (== 9 total positions) |
| 18:10:43 | tm512 | also, huh, older iPods are indeed pretty budget friendly I guess https://www.ebay.com/itm/165940783714 |
| 18:10:45 | speachy | there's a decade-old proof-of-concept patch in gerrit that tries to add a sort of scrollbar |
| 18:11:08 | speachy | yeah, that's a good price |
| 18:11:13 | tm512 | searched for 4th-gen specifically because I remember looking at the newer ones and by 5th-gen it looked like the price nearly doubles |
| 18:11:27 | speachy | even if the original HDD dies on you, you can replace it with a CF or SD card pretty easily, and batteries are plentiful. |
| 18:12:55 | speachy | another option is to look for a 2nd-gen ipod mini. identical hardware to the 4th-gen grey scale |
| 18:13:34 | speachy | just smaller form factor. trivial to replace the hard drive with a CF card (or with an adapter, SD card) |
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| 18:14:32 | speachy | eg https://www.ebay.com/itm/294325370361 |
| 18:14:39 | tm512 | for a scroll gesture on the Fuze+ I'm guessing you'd just sample the position at a certain rate and store them in a buffer, then loop through the buffer and look for patterns like significant change in X or Y but negligible change in the other direction |
| 18:17:28 | speachy | concepturally straightforward, but quite challenging to do (well) with minimal input lag and impact on what's playing |
| 18:18:12 | speachy | IIR the touchpad hardware doesn't provide any native support for such things. |
| 18:19:18 | tm512 | but yeah maybe I'll have to consider an iPod. losing the microSD slot is unfortunate, but as long as rockbox lets me mount the internal storage as a mass storage device, it doesn't make a practical difference except in cases where I'd need to replace it. battery replacements being plentiful is an upside, and while it's been quite some time, I remember liking the physical UI of iPods |
| 18:19:36 | tm512 | the scroll wheel is really intuitive |
| 18:20:29 | speachy | apple didn't invent the DAP, but they were the first to put real thought into the UI/UX. |
| 18:28:21 | tm512 | is it difficult to crack into one of the iPod Classics to replace the HDD? also, oof, I didn't realize how expensive CF cards are |
| 18:28:33 | tm512 | microSD with an adapter might be the way to go |
| 18:28:47 | stgiga | They make SD-to-CF adapters |
| 18:29:17 | stgiga | DankPods has done some videos on massive storage upgrades |
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| 18:30:13 | stgiga | DankPods put *4* 1TB SD cards in |
| 18:30:56 | stgiga | in theory, once Kioxia 2TB microSD cards ship, one could put those in (2TB is typical FAT32 max) |
| 18:31:12 | speachy | keep in mind that we hav a 2TB upper limit per drive. |
| 18:31:22 | stgiga | That's more than enough |
| 18:31:42 | speachy | (ie the limitation of both SDXC and FAT32) |
| 18:32:06 | tm512 | kinda surprised by the pricing of CF cards. I wonder if it's a supply/demand thing, because the pricing of SD cards demonstrates that flash memory really isn't that expensive these days, like certainly not $40+ for 64GB |
| 18:32:23 | tm512 | looked like I could get a 64GB microSD for like $10 |
| 18:32:28 | stgiga | and that's why when I can afford it, and those become cheap, I have intentions to stock up on 2TB cards for use in my 3DS, DSi (running Hiya), Wii, SDGecko, Switch, and such |
| 18:32:35 | stgiga | CF cards have a LOT more pins |
| 18:32:39 | speachy | CF isn't really produced in any volume any more. |
| 18:32:45 | stgiga | they are effectively a small implementation of IDE |
| 18:32:48 | speachy | it's ATA natively, yeah. |
| 18:32:53 | stgiga | there is such a thing as CF HDDs |
| 18:33:07 | stgiga | the amount of pins needed is high |
| 18:33:35 | stgiga | CF these days is used for some Canon cameras |
| 18:33:36 | tm512 | well it's because IDE is a parallel interface, yeah |
| 18:33:46 | stgiga | the extra wiring costs money |
| 18:34:07 | stgiga | SD is only really a few pins, while CF is an array of pins |
| 18:34:24 | tm512 | I know CF cards are popular as HDD replacements for vintage hardware, because the adapters just pass through the CF pins to their corresponding 2.5" or 3.5" IDE HDD pins |
| 18:34:47 | stgiga | Yeah |
| 18:34:55 | stgiga | In fact, the GameCube SD Card adapter uses the SPI mode of SD-family cards, which still works even on SDXC |
| 18:35:36 | stgiga | SD cards have 9 pins |
| 18:35:52 | stgiga | (SDUC will add more, but we haven't hit max SDXC yet) |
| 18:36:14 | stgiga | Basically, SD is a serial interface, CF is parallel |
| 18:36:16 | speachy | we do support GPT partitioning now, but havne't bothered to generate new bootloader builds. Also, factory firmware will keel over anyway. |
| 18:36:36 | stgiga | Also, CF adapters are sometimes used industrially |
| 18:36:49 | stgiga | because many pieces of equipment use IDE still |
| 18:40:17 | speachy | SDUC support in of itself is actually pretty easy, but for it to be usable we'd have to move the storage core to 64-bit addressing and deal with that fallout. |
| 18:40:59 | stgiga | Apparently Kioxia said they would be releasing 2TB SDXC this year but they haven't happened yet |
| 18:41:14 | stgiga | My guess is that the tolerances are not high enough |
| 18:42:00 | speachy | that would also mean updating the existing FAT (etc) code to handle the 64-bit addressing. that way we can at least utilize >2TB storage by use of multiple partitions. |
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| 18:58:27 | stgiga | SDUC will not support SPI |
| 18:58:43 | stgiga | Which is used by the GameCube |
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| 19:01:13 | hactar|ant | is the entire nds library even close to 2tb |
| 19:01:33 | stgiga | though, in the GC case, we control how the card is accessed, so ignoring the 38bit LBA is theoretically possible |
| 19:01:38 | hactar|ant | i mean they did make like 5 billion titles |
| 19:01:39 | hactar|ant | but still |
| 19:02:09 | stgiga | Entire 3DS library is 3TB |
| 19:02:20 | hactar|ant | yeah you mentioned dsi |
| 19:02:34 | stgiga | DSi will only read full FAT32 if you use Hiya |
| 19:02:43 | stgiga | it normally cuts off at 2GB |
| 19:03:28 | hactar|ant | i stopped using hiya in favour of unlaunch+twilightmenu |
| 19:03:40 | hactar|ant | handles my 64gb card just fine |
| 19:03:42 | stgiga | I use Twilight menu |
| 19:03:48 | stgiga | entire DS library: 400GB |
| 19:04:00 | stgiga | a little under, but if you count DSi-exclusive, 400 |
| 19:04:22 | stgiga | if you add entire libraries for emulators the DSi can run... |
| 19:04:35 | stgiga | Let's just say that hitting 2TB may be hard |
| 19:05:09 | stgiga | Basically, 2TB cards would be godsends for retro enthusiasts |
| 19:05:26 | stgiga | especially due to them having the same pin count as original SD cards |
| 19:06:05 | hactar|ant | personally i have no desire to have entire libraries on my devices. such tedious scrolling |
| 19:06:07 | hactar|ant | but that's just me |
| 19:06:17 | stgiga | Well, it's also for the purposes of homebrew |
| 19:06:23 | stgiga | as well as MPlayer ports |
| 19:06:47 | stgiga | The idea being that you could have games AND media on a single card |
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| 19:07:22 | hactar|ant | my first portable media player with a gbasp with a gba movie player i kid you not |
| 19:07:26 | hactar|ant | awful, awful, awful |
| 19:07:30 | hactar|ant | but it did get me into homebrew |
| 19:07:41 | stgiga | So, I feel like, in the case of power users, when 2TB becomes cheap, people will buy up massive amounts of them |
| 19:07:54 | stgiga | because flashcarts for even older systems still use FAT32 |
| 19:08:11 | stgiga | and then there's industrial use |
| 19:09:43 | stgiga | Oh fun fact: at 4kb sectors and 64kb clusters, FAT32 can hit 16TB volume size |
| 19:12:14 | stgiga | and there's FAT32+ which supports 256GB file size but in a clever way |
| 19:12:44 | stgiga | though, for all intents and purposes, most devices (and phones) would tolerate 2TB with 4GB file size on SDXC the best |
| 19:15:13 | stgiga | Good news: my iPod Nano is a 1st-gen |
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| 19:26:15 | tm512 | re: FAT32, I wonder whether exFAT would be too complicated for implementation in rockbox |
| 19:26:37 | tm512 | I guess ultimately there's just not a pressing need for it |
| 19:27:02 | stgiga | exactly |
| 19:27:11 | speachy | yep, so far there's not much point. |
| 19:27:33 | stgiga | The only person who would try would be DankPods |
| 19:29:59 | speachy | it's moot because of the lack of (stock) OS support for anything over 2TB. |
| 19:30:29 | stgiga | Ultimately, I think that the ability to display songs with stuff like emoji in the titles is pressing, because people actually are making those |
| 19:30:46 | stgiga | the entire discography of FUNERALPARTY does this |
| 19:30:53 | tm512 | so I'm still leaning towards this Fuze+, for the sake of getting new old stock. it's low-risk with this seller's return policy, which includes just not liking the device |
| 19:30:57 | speachy | though I wonder if those iflash quad adapters do the right thing when their combined storage is over 2TB. |
| 19:31:17 | tm512 | will just have to see if the touchpad makes me want to pull my hair out |
| 19:32:35 | tm512 | perhaps I will attempt to contribute to gesture support |
| 19:36:45 | stgiga | My forum post is in the "Feature Ideas" section |
| 19:37:27 | stgiga | and it has the link to the BDF (named and everything), just in case IRC complains |
| 19:38:41 | tm512 | kinda worried that the touchpad will be tolerable for browsing the menu and controlling playback but will really suffer when it comes to games. though I figure stuff like running Doom on this device wouldn't be much more than a party trick. I can't see how it would be tolerable even on a device with physical buttons |
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| 20:18:18 | speachy | the problem I had with it was that you couldn't really locate where you needed to touch... without touching it. |
| 20:18:33 | speachy | so inevitably you touched the wrong place. |
| 20:19:02 | speachy | (or without looking at it first) |
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| 21:00:24 | WilliamC | So, what is the best way to use an MP3 player while working out? |
| 21:01:22 | WilliamC | Not sure I can find a strap for the one I just bought, I might just end up putting it in pocket |
| 21:07:22 | speachy | it's apparently common to tuck/clip it to an armband. |
| 21:07:39 | speachy | but that depends entirely on operator preference and the nature of the workout, eh? |
| 21:08:17 | hactar|ant | depends on your workout lol |
| 21:14:58 | stgiga | For context, the font version bump is a 1-file swap. It just can't be done by me, due to bad luck with the Git command in the past, as well as the fact that it is unsafe for me to reveal my name due to certain factors. According to policy, this means I can't do the command myself. If only the Github was not read-only. But is the name *actually* |
| 21:14:58 | stgiga | legally verified? |
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| 21:15:41 | stgiga | because if it isn't, then I don't have to have my deadname immortalized |
| 21:16:23 | WilliamC | I bought a Surfans F20, it's larger, all around, than my AGPtek Rockr |
| 21:16:29 | stgiga | neat |
| 21:16:34 | WilliamC | So I don't think I can reuse my armband |
| 21:16:40 | stgiga | oh |
| 21:17:50 | WilliamC | Had issues with the 3.5 jack not working right anymore, it didn't like to pair with my headphones, and the battery life is decreasing, I believe. |
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| 21:19:00 | WilliamC | All of the new music players are either really high end, or really low end, this is about the only mid range one I could find |
| 21:19:17 | stgiga | I remember in 2010 getting a cheap iPod clone with a blue LCD |
| 21:19:21 | stgiga | it was silver and black |
| 21:19:32 | stgiga | it ran on AAA batteries |
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| 21:21:23 | WilliamC | My first MP3 player was like that |
| 21:21:38 | WilliamC | Mine ran on a single AA battery |
| 21:22:54 | speachy | stgiga: there's no "verification". We just need to know where to direct the lawyers should they come knocking (again). |
| 21:25:10 | stgiga | and the name in question that legally belongs to me right now is my deadname |
| 21:26:36 | stgiga | so based on THAT premise, it's probably best that I'm not the submitter |
| 21:26:50 | stgiga | That makes the decision for me, I guess |
| 21:30:42 | WilliamC | I feel like I got in the middle of something complicated. |
| 21:46:33 | stgiga | Basically: I have a one-file change I want to do (adds Plane 1 Unicode support via bumping the ancient 15yo GNU Unifont version already present to UnifontEX), but I can't do the commit myself due to being nonbinary and having a problematic extended family, and having bad luck with Git itself. So, you are right, it IS complicated. I don't mind not |
| 21:46:34 | stgiga | being the one who submits the pull request, because the BDF still has all the documentation I wrote for the font in FontForge in tags that were unused by the 15yo version currently in Rockbox that don't affect anything. |
| 21:52:13 | stgiga | There IS one thing I can do though, and that is make a GH pull request to the Poretsky builds, whose latest commit is only two behind the main Rockbox branch |
| 21:52:28 | stgiga | and this is a good stopgap measure |
| 21:52:51 | WilliamC | Shocked that altering a font would be that involved. |
| 21:54:23 | speachy | it's really not. stgiga has um, special circumstances that clash with longstanding rockbox policy. |
| 21:59:54 | WilliamC | Feel like the entire MP3 player scene has died down a lot since smart phones took over. |
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| 22:11:32 | speachy | yep, smarphones hollowed out that market. |
| 22:11:38 | stgiga | Indeed |
| 22:15:24 | speachy | leaving shovelware junk at the bottom and "oxygen depleted gold plated optical connectors to reduce jitter on your tube amps" at the high end. |
| 22:18:15 | speachy | (...who then play their ultra high quality DSD files over bluetooth) |
| 22:18:56 | speachy | (ask me how I really feel) |
| 22:24:07 | speachy | hah, the font update broke gerrit. |
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| 22:32:13 | rb-bluebot | fonts: Update the 16px GNU Unifont to a derivative of 15.0.06-JP by Solomon Peachy |
| 22:34:03 | WilliamC | speachy, Audiophiles are an easy mark. |
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| 23:30:02 | _bilgus | fuze plus has usb micro |
| 23:30:39 | _bilgus | fuze v2 has a special cable and the clip+ has a mini usb |
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