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| 10:21:24 | speachy | _bilgus_: between the two of us, 30% of the outstanding tickets have been closed. |
| 10:27:02 | speachy | I've also done a bunch of patch tickets (and gerrit) as well, being very conservative though. |
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| 11:28:09 | speachy | anyone have an opinion on adding the erosqnative build to the daily page? Not sure how much confusion it'll cause. |
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| 11:35:03 | MarcAndersen | Hi. When I run the genlang tool like this as in the wiki: ../../tools/genlang -u -e=english.lang yourlang.lang > yournewlang.lang it says Please use at least one of -p, -o, -c, -e and -s. Has something changed there and what is the new way to do it? |
| 11:37:17 | speachy | ah, it's the '-u' option. use 'tools/updatelang' instead |
| 11:38:22 | MarcAndersen | Oh. Didn't see that, sorry. I would like to work on the danish translation if that's ok with you. All the play next stuff and a lot more is not translated. |
| 11:38:36 | speachy | please! |
| 11:39:04 | speachy | guess I should update the wiki, heh. |
| 11:39:35 | MarcAndersen | Hey, why are so many pages edited in april 2021 by unnown user I wonder? |
| 11:40:33 | speachy | I forget the exact reason, but it was likely one of the mass cleanup passes that unfortunately triggered a page update. |
| 11:41:27 | MarcAndersen | That's ok. Thanks by the way for the piper tts thing. I am thinking about learning to make a voice for it. |
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| 11:45:20 | speachy | Most of these newer TTS engines are designed to work via some sort of webservice or are deployed in a completly unstable/nonrepeatable manner, piper was the first I found that made it easy. |
| 11:46:06 | speachy | and teh quality is vastly better than espeak. I intend to switch the nightly voices over to it soon. |
| 11:46:21 | speachy | MarcAndersen: what was the wiki page that referenced that cmdline? |
| 11:46:39 | MarcAndersen | https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LangFiles |
| 11:47:01 | speachy | thanks, I'll correct that now |
| 11:47:25 | MarcAndersen | It is linked to on the main translations page found in the navigation bar on the homepage |
| 11:58:56 | MarcAndersen | If I replace dansk.lang with my update will it then automatically be built as binary when I make a normal build of rockbox? |
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| 12:06:30 | speachy | yep |
| 12:09:06 | dconrad | Sounds like they may have messed with the audio path again on the hifi walker v1.6 🤦 |
| 12:09:26 | dconrad | they just can't leave well enough alone |
| 12:09:28 | speachy | hmm, bug on the translate site. need to investigate that. |
| 12:09:46 | MarcAndersen | Ok. I'll go ahead and try. A long time ago I tried to use the online version but my browser crashed in the middle of it, maybe I'll have better luck with the lang file. |
| 12:12:47 | speachy | thank you |
| 12:13:13 | speachy | I'll enable that in the nightly voice generation too |
| 12:13:21 | speachy | (once the update is in) |
| 12:13:28 | MarcAndersen | Enable what? |
| 12:14:21 | speachy | voice generation for the Dansk language |
| 12:14:34 | speachy | (the cutoff is 90% string coverage) |
| 12:15:22 | MarcAndersen | What would be the best way for me to send the lang file to you? |
| 12:16:11 | speachy | Official(tm) channels are the bug tracker or gerrit, but I'll accept it via carrier pigeon if that's what it will take |
| 12:17:41 | speachy | I'm just grateful to see improved coverage. |
| 12:18:24 | MarcAndersen | What is carrier pigeon? |
| 12:18:46 | speachy | https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-incredible-carrier-pigeons-of-the-first-world-war |
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| 12:20:10 | MarcAndersen | I still don't quite get it |
| 12:20:35 | speachy | basically, use whatever mechanism you see fit |
| 12:20:56 | MarcAndersen | Oh, I see. |
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| 12:28:39 | MarcAndersen | How much is a language file allowed to change before it's created voice file gets invalid? |
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| 12:31:31 | speachy | very little, unfortunately. |
| 12:31:47 | MarcAndersen | Is there a fixed amount? |
| 12:31:53 | speachy | used to be a lot less strict but it resulted in all sorts of wonkiness. |
| 12:32:11 | speachy | any change to the list of strings will invalidate the voice file. |
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| 12:33:21 | speachy | that's a big part of why I've put a lot of work into improving the voice generation infrastructure (plus daily voicefile generation) |
| 12:34:00 | MarcAndersen | Oh. I remember back in the days where voice files were valid forever and over time played completely wrong things. I was not happy with that invalid voice stuff in the beginning but it makes sense now. |
| 12:34:21 | speachy | exactly |
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| 12:34:42 | speachy | talk clips (ie voiced filenames) remain valid forever |
| 12:35:00 | MarcAndersen | I think somewhere in the irc logs there is a message from me where I'm angry with it. |
| 12:36:23 | speachy | There's over 23 years of history and drama in the IRC logs. :) |
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| 12:38:50 | MarcAndersen | A fun one was the day where gevaerts helped me to unbrick my sansa c250 which now has got that problem with the left headphone channel. |
| 12:39:39 | MarcAndersen | Sorry, I'm off topic. That's it. |
| 12:40:09 | speachy | eh, it's at least rockbox related |
| 12:40:31 | speachy | we gotta keep the dream alive. |
| 12:40:46 | MarcAndersen | It is. |
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| 12:45:57 | Bubblegumdrop | This is the closest thing to AnythingButIpod :') |
| 12:49:48 | speachy | I've been trolling ebay to find more old players so I can at least _test_ some of these less-common devices. |
| 12:59:54 | MarcAndersen | I just found it in the logs, my username apperrantly was MarcroSoft at that time, and I was not as angry as I remember |
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| 13:20:59 | MarcAndersen | We have some build errors (or at least I have) with tmikmod in the win32 simulator build. |
| 13:26:45 | MarcAndersen | Also the gmtime error in apps/plugins/lua/rockaux.c |
| 13:29:44 | speachy | patches welcome... |
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| 14:43:05 | gevaerts | MarcAndersen: fun times :) Walking people through recovering c2x0s was a bit of a specialty of mine back then! |
| 14:43:32 | * | gevaerts is still upset at Sandisk for having a buggy recovery mode on those! |
| 14:44:58 | MarcAndersen | I remember someone called timetraveler who asked all kinds of stupid questions while we were recovering it. |
| 14:46:52 | MarcAndersen | That reminds me of the old irc stats over at rasher.dk, something like: Is MarcAndersen just stupid or asking questions, more than x lines contains a question! |
| 14:47:27 | MarcAndersen | Why is that not updated after 2014? |
| 14:49:04 | speachy | you'd have to ask rasher that. When I took over hosting everything from haxx, I pulled in everything else I was given |
| 14:49:42 | MarcAndersen | Oh, haxx' big thing now is curl! |
| 14:50:09 | MarcAndersen | I wish rockbox was as popular as curl |
| 14:50:51 | speachy | __builtin: I updated the amaze port; it now builds on HEAD and is fully i18n'd |
| 14:51:00 | npmania | Hi all, had been working on Shanling M0 Pro for the last few days. |
| 14:51:12 | speachy | seems to run ok on the xduoox3 and ipod5g |
| 14:52:45 | npmania | I have succeeded in sideloading binary executable and seems to be working well. It doesn't seem to have recovery like any other X1000 devices, though. |
| 14:53:08 | speachy | MarcAndersen: well, curl is probably used by a sizeable portion of the population (due to various embedded uses) but rockbox's niche was largely obliterated by smartphones |
| 14:53:49 | MarcAndersen | I know, it was mostly a stupid joke |
| 14:54:07 | speachy | hey, I'd love for it to have more of a (developer) mindshare |
| 14:54:34 | MarcAndersen | what is mindshare? |
| 14:54:47 | speachy | but alas bare-metal embedded hackery is a smaller niche than ever |
| 14:55:49 | speachy | mindshare is... sort of like awareness or attention. |
| 14:56:05 | speachy | it's a play on "market share" |
| 14:56:48 | MarcAndersen | I get it. Rockbox is smaller than it once was. |
| 14:57:42 | speachy | the middle of the DAP market was gutted by smarphones, leaving only the barely-capable shovelware junk and the "tube amp and oxygen-depleted cables" audiophile stuff on the high end. |
| 14:58:13 | MarcAndersen | Do you have an idea of how many percent of users that use release and how many use dev builds? |
| 14:58:15 | speachy | occasionally some decent stuff makes it out of China. |
| 14:58:40 | speachy | no idea. |
| 14:58:57 | speachy | once installed, there's no longer any reason to check in |
| 14:59:13 | MarcAndersen | I would think that more and more use dev builds because of all these changes. |
| 14:59:17 | npmania | 'smart' phone killed so much enjoyable hardwares |
| 14:59:33 | speachy | I could probably filter out rbutil from the webstats and keep that info longer but that of course doesn't count manual installs. |
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| 15:00:07 | speachy | it's been an unusually long period since the last release. I'm trying to change that. |
| 15:00:51 | MarcAndersen | I also asked about it earlier but i completely understand the situation. |
| 15:01:24 | lebellium | speachy: how dared you close my 2012 bug report for a "out of date" reason :) |
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| 15:02:17 | speachy | I've had a _lot_ of upheaval in RealLife(tm) in the past couple of years; haven't had the time for much beyond keeping the lights on |
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| 15:03:02 | speachy | lebellium: you're welcome! if it makes you feel better out of the >200 tickets bilgus and I have closed so far, you're the first followup. :D |
| 15:10:42 | lebellium | I'm surprised you even took some time to really justify the closure. Must have been painful for 200 tickets |
| 15:13:20 | speachy | given that the alternative is declaring bankruptcy and nuking everything.. :( |
| 15:15:48 | spork | npmania: there are several x1000 devices with 'hosted' rockbox ports |
| 15:16:16 | spork | that might be an option for what you are doing |
| 15:17:13 | speachy | lebellium: what's left is going to take more work to sort through; I think about 2/3rds are patches of various quality/completeness. |
| 15:17:16 | spork | for some of those, patched firmware files are offered |
| 15:17:47 | speachy | still irked that I accidently nuked my stash of x1000 firmware files and the script I used to mass-patch them. |
| 15:19:02 | MarcAndersen | I removed my entire rockbox dir by doing rm -r * some time ago and lost some of my changes |
| 15:19:50 | spork | i have the older shanling m0 (not the pro), would love a (hosted) rockbox for that |
| 15:20:14 | spork | the hardware is very nice, the shanling music player app is not |
| 15:25:47 | speachy | is that a hibyos player? |
| 15:25:55 | speachy | (most of those x1000s are) |
| 15:26:58 | spork | it is the same linux base |
| 15:27:28 | spork | m0 is very similar to q1 except smaller and only the scroll wheel as button |
| 15:28:46 | spork | so no way convenient way to get into the recovery if it has one |
| 15:30:29 | spork | the m0 pro is very similar again |
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| 16:29:41 | npmania | spork: thanks a lot :D i'll look more into what you've mentioned |
| 16:30:05 | npmania | so far i wasn't able to find any routes to usb boot, so guess i'll just have to be careful. |
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| 17:44:52 | _bilgus_ | speachy, I'd estimate you wer 2/3 of that I think I made it throught 30 or so before my eyes glossed over |
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| 18:00:20 | speachy | _bilgus_: the next best thing to Ben Stein's voice? |
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| 18:26:21 | _bilgus_ | might be better, I do have a few I need to test to see if they are still relevant it's nice to see a few that were fixed independent of flyspray |
| 18:26:45 | _bilgus_ | I did see we had an espeak plugin in one of those patches |
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| 18:27:28 | _bilgus_ | I would really like to let users gen their voice files on device |
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| 18:35:54 | _bilgus_ | fs#7760 |
| 18:35:54 | rb-bluebot | https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7760 Snake2 food generation error (bugs, closed) |
| 18:35:58 | _bilgus_ | no |
| 18:36:08 | _bilgus_ | fs#7660 |
| 18:36:09 | rb-bluebot | https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7660 Plugin espeak TTS engine for rockbox (patches, unconfirmed) |
| 18:37:09 | _bilgus_ | looks like there was concern asbout it being GPL3 but later was decided it could be added as log as there was a way to disable it to make rb v@ compliant but by then the author moved on |
| 18:37:25 | _bilgus_ | as long as* sorry |
| 18:37:43 | _bilgus_ | v2 compliant |
| 18:40:12 | _bilgus_ | npmania, the nice thing is most of the x1000 stuff already works thanks to the other devices using it |
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| 20:00:22 | speachy | _bilgus_: I agree it's ideal to have TTS on-device but I'm not sure how practical it'll be, especially if we have to go to an ancient engine due to licensing reasons. |
| 20:01:26 | speachy | (and/or resource limitations...) |
| 20:03:20 | speachy | the piper engine I'm intending to switch our pre-generated stuff over to using.. the _low quality_ models are still ~30MB, and the HQ ones are over 100. :D |
| 20:03:32 | MarcAndersen | I think we should have a real tts available at least on targets which can handle it. |
| 20:04:30 | MarcAndersen | Then the text viewer and maybe even frotz could be used, that would be fantastic! |
| 20:04:34 | speachy | folks are really spoiled by the sheer oomph of a typical smartphone these days. :D |
| 20:04:41 | MarcAndersen | Not me |
| 20:05:09 | MarcAndersen | I use symbian as long as I can get away with it |
| 20:06:38 | speachy | The main advantage of runtime TTS is filenames. |
| 20:06:48 | speachy | (vs pre-generated stuff) |
| 20:06:55 | MarcAndersen | Completely agree on that! |
| 20:07:40 | MarcAndersen | But I don't know if for example the c200 can do it fast enough for real use. |
| 20:07:56 | speachy | but there are some thorny problems still −− namely how do you determine the correct language for a given filename? (And then there ar situatuations where multiple languages are used in a single string) |
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| 20:08:49 | MarcAndersen | I always use one voice on all my devices and I know other blind people does that too, so I don't think that is relevant. |
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| 20:09:34 | MarcAndersen | I for example always use eloquence american to read danish for example |
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| 20:12:39 | speachy | I doubt even the newer sansas could pull off TTS in realtime, but should be able to do it in a plugin. |
| 20:13:05 | speachy | (using the espeak engine, anyway. there are less resource-intensive ones) |
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| 20:13:57 | speachy | rockbox's "spell out words" is IMO useless for non-english as it doesn't have coverage of the "standard" Latin charset, much less more "exotic" stuff. |
| 20:14:23 | MarcAndersen | I think espeak would be fine, I use it a lot on linux with espeakup |
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| 20:16:02 | speachy | but anyway. not to say I wouldn't love to see on-device TTS. have a ways to go before that will be feasible (both in rockbox itself and the offline infrastructure) |
| 20:16:41 | MarcAndersen | I understand that. I'm going to bed now. |
| 20:16:54 | speachy | rest well! |
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