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| 08:13:56 | speachy | AlHaz: If you're willing, I'd love to see the current ATA code tested on the H1xx/H3xx family. With traditional spinning rust, true CF, SD, and mSATA alike. |
| 08:15:35 | speachy | the SD adapters are all crap and violate the ATA spec in numerous ways, though the official iflash ones seem to anectdotally work more reliably. |
| 08:28:48 | speachy | that said, given how crappy SD cards tend to be (even before the very real problem of fakes are taken into account) many of those issues probably aren't due to the adapters themselves. |
| 08:29:45 | gevaerts | Some of them are good! I mean, the one next to me is over 99% readable! :) |
| 08:30:27 | speachy | Yeah, I had some 256GB ones that crapped out if you tried to use the last couple of GB. |
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| 08:36:59 | speachy | I'm pretty sure many "CF" cards today are actually a CF->SD/MMC adapter internally. I have an identify_info dump from one CF card that doesn't claim to be CFA-compatible. |
| 08:38:29 | gevaerts | This one was in a raspberry pi which was subjected to a weird power cut (as in, I woke up by the LEDs in my alarm clock flickering and my android tablet making "power connected" noises every second for about half a minute) |
| 08:39:13 | speachy | ugh, my RPis have cooked a _lot_ of SD cards. |
| 08:39:31 | speachy | even with stable power, and being mostly idle. |
| 08:57:19 | gevaerts | The fun bit was of course that I didn't have a proper backup (I planned to do more work on the setup back in the day, so no backup *yet*...) and it's the thing that controls lighting in my house, so no working light switches that day :) |
| 08:58:11 | speachy | so crap like that is why I insist on nothing "smart" in my house. |
| 08:58:48 | speachy | (went through a full gut-to-frame remodel) |
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| 08:59:32 | gevaerts | You're not wrong, but I also like having this when it works :) |
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| 10:09:52 | jssfr | I forget which, if any, parts of SD card capacity are bound to hardware so I need to ask. Can I use a 128 GB micro card in Sansa Clip family of players with Rockbox? |
| 10:10:46 | speachy | short answer: yes. |
| 10:12:37 | speachy | longer answer: IIRC, other the original SD->SDHC step, it's been purely software-level changes to enable higher capacity. |
| 10:16:48 | jssfr | thanks! |
| 10:18:17 | speachy | ...apparently it's purely software. |
| 10:19:26 | speachy | (nearly universally, SDXC cards can be used by SDHC hosts once reformetted in fat32. all of the incompatible changes relate to higher speed operation) |
| 10:19:41 | jssfr | *nod* |
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| 11:07:48 | _bilgus_ | well up till it got stuck at half capacity like a month ago i've had a 128 g in a clipzip for at least 3 years daily, in the fuze+ and clip+ too and a 256G sandisk in the clip+ but I can't say for the other AMS devices with sd c200 e200 m200 etc |
| 11:08:02 | _bilgus_ | oh and 128 has been in the fuze v2 |
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| 12:05:29 | speachy | I had a pair of 256G cards in my X3 when I was mucking with the GPT stuff; now I'm back to a single 64G |
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| 15:09:18 | spork | would there be any advantages of having a hosted version of a native x1000 port like the shanling q1 ? |
| 15:09:36 | spork | battery life or audio quality for example ? |
| 15:10:12 | speachy | the x1000e variants get a usable amount of memory |
| 15:10:21 | speachy | hosted, I mean |
| 15:10:42 | speachy | the (current) big advantage of hosted is that you get exFAT support for your SD cards |
| 15:10:58 | spork | i have only ever run native x1000's |
| 15:10:59 | speachy | I added the ability to plug in an external USB drive |
| 15:11:19 | spork | i know the OF for the q1 has a decent 'sleep' mode |
| 15:11:20 | speachy | one also has the theoetical ability to use bluetooth too. |
| 15:12:10 | speachy | the x1000 only has 32MB RAM, x1000e has 64MB. on the hosted port on those 32MB versions we only get ~6ish MB of usable RAM for Rockbox |
| 15:12:50 | speachy | native we get full access to all the RAM, and we're able to effectively utilize it better |
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| 15:13:27 | speachy | display performance is better too. |
| 15:13:37 | spork | both fiio m3k and shanling q1 are x1000e |
| 15:13:59 | speachy | oh, on the hosted port you're insulated from those endless hardware variations of (eg) the erosq/k family. |
| 15:14:21 | speachy | but the shanling q1 doesn't have that problem. |
| 15:14:44 | spork | npmania's plans to try rockbox for the shanling m0 pro got me thinking |
| 15:15:09 | speachy | IMO the main downside of the native port is the more involved installation process. (and lack of exFAT, but that's solveable with a quick reformat) |
| 15:15:41 | spork | the native port for both my m3k and q1 is amazing |
| 15:15:53 | spork | definitely no complaints |
| 15:16:22 | speachy | the linux userspace on the hibyos x1000 devices is also quite ancient, which is the main reason I didn't bother to try and get bluetooth working since I couldn't co-develop it on the desktop in the simulator |
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| 15:16:39 | speachy | (bluez4 vs bluez5, very different APIs) |
| 15:16:54 | spork | you need a time machine, for various reasons |
| 15:17:46 | speachy | upstream Linux's X1000 support is decent, a case could be made for just rolling our own OS image, but those hardare variations are... challenging. |
| 15:19:23 | spork | some of the more obtainable devices theoretically capable of running rockbox are x1000e based |
| 15:20:57 | speachy | the only "modern production" devices available are all x1000[e] based. |
| 15:21:46 | speachy | and the prior generation was jz47xx-based. Maybe rk47xx too. |
| 15:22:12 | speachy | but the jz47xx/x1000 series are practically the perfect DAP SoC. |
| 15:22:19 | speachy | with their on-package DRAM. |
| 15:23:08 | speachy | only misfeature of the JZ4740/4760 was the inability to do double-buffered DMA in the audio engine. x1000 fixed that. |
| 15:24:22 | speachy | (combined with the high overhead of IRQ context switches, could lead to audio dropouts at very high audio data rates) |
| 15:26:02 | spork | do the recent hiby players still use that old linux ? |
| 15:26:14 | speachy | AFAIK, yes. |
| 15:26:27 | spork | they still seem to produce hibyos daps |
| 15:26:34 | speachy | the hibyos is much better than the stock ingenic base platform (that the M3K used) |
| 15:27:31 | spork | the only time i used the m3k of was to install the native port patched firmware |
| 15:27:36 | speachy | yeah, they seem to still be actively produced, which is good for us. |
| 15:27:47 | speachy | the m3k's stock firmware is a dumpster fire. |
| 15:28:00 | spork | way too much logging, right ? |
| 15:29:13 | spork | the shanling player is semi decent |
| 15:29:44 | spork | i do not get why their 'database' is on the internal storage though, it belongs with the sd card that has the music |
| 15:30:33 | speachy | that's common |
| 15:30:52 | spork | common and annoying |
| 15:31:21 | spork | it does not even make sense if you only one sd card |
| 15:31:29 | spork | +have |
| 15:31:39 | speachy | it means the player "works" without an SD card. |
| 15:31:47 | speachy | simpler to code |
| 15:31:59 | speachy | and the internal flash won't wear out before the hardware is expected to die anyway. |
| 15:32:42 | speachy | granted, these more modern DAPs with solid metal cases are pretty tough. |
| 15:33:30 | spork | q1 is quite heavy. m3k and m0 are very portable |
| 15:33:39 | spork | not sansa clip level, but still |
| 15:33:56 | speachy | my "daily" player is the xDuoo X3. I've literally run it over a couple of times. |
| 15:34:43 | spork | my sansa fuze survived two washing machine cycles |
| 15:35:14 | speachy | I've destroyed multiple fuzes. |
| 15:35:29 | speachy | well, trying to repair them finished 'em off |
| 15:35:39 | spork | the ribbon cables ? |
| 15:35:49 | spork | or is that just your ipod luck |
| 15:36:28 | speachy | ribbon cables, yeah. but expanding batteries destroyed the cases, or the wheels broke, or both |
| 15:36:48 | speachy | (or the connector broke...( |
| 15:37:17 | speachy | I have a clip+ with a dead flash, another one with a flaky screen, might try to swap parts but my hands aren't the steadiest... |
| 15:37:35 | speachy | all that and much more in my [rock]box of broken dreams |
| 15:39:51 | spork | clip+ is my daily audiobook player |
| 15:40:51 | spork | the rockbox approach to playlists and bookmarking is perfect |
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| 16:03:26 | speachy | I think so |
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| 20:01:43 | _bilgus_ | I expanded picross g#134 a bit it now has zoom and when the puzzle is complete it lets you freedraw so maybe people will make more puzzles |
| 20:01:46 | rb-bluebot | Gerrit review #134 at https://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/c/rockbox/+/134 : New plugin: Picross by Nathan Korth |
| 20:35:43 | AlHaz | speachy: I can probably help you out with ATA code testing |
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| 20:36:36 | AlHaz | fwiw the m.2 SSD adapter "for ipod classic" is working great in the ebay h140 i bought |
| 20:36:59 | AlHaz | with rockbox in the onboard flash anyway |
| 20:37:39 | AlHaz | I was dismayed that the sd-to-cf adapters i tried would only see 128gb, and were flaky |
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| 21:14:58 | AlHaz | the one problem with my collection of mp3 players is that a lot of them are packed away god knows where, and some of them are partially disassembled, like the gigabeat F20 in front of me right now |
| 21:15:17 | AlHaz | idk where the back of this player went. |
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| 21:19:25 | AlHaz | anyway, the cheap chinese ssd device i bought on aliexpress just takes an m.2 sata (two notches) 2242 ssd, and is based on the same jmicron chip as many other sata-ide bridges |
| 21:19:58 | AlHaz | I'm a little tempted to throw a 1tb on it just to see, but then I'd have a usb-2 1tb drive and no idea what to do with much of it |
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| 21:38:39 | AlHaz | I vaguely recall that the ATA cable for my iAudio X5 or M3 is torn. but i wonder if pcbway or one of the other services offers custom flex pcbs . . . |
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