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| 09:52:43 | rb-bluebot | [Feature] splash.h split too long strings to multiple lines by William Wilgus |
| 09:53:06 | speachy | git log -p |
| 09:53:09 | speachy | whoops |
| 09:53:46 | _bilgus_ | this might mess with some of the splash messages but we can fix them if it gets stupid |
| 09:54:18 | speachy | most likely to break with displayed paths |
| 09:54:55 | _bilgus_ | yeah thats why I want it getting annoying splitting paths to read them |
| 09:56:01 | speachy | the most recent language stuff I committed was making more splash messages voiced |
| 09:56:13 | speachy | notably ones with paths in 'em |
| 09:56:22 | speachy | probably a ton of work remaining though |
| 09:59:40 | _bilgus_ | that might not work exactly how you think |
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| 10:00:05 | _bilgus_ | the splash buffer is actually only made once and we store offsets and lens |
| 10:01:03 | speachy | I mean making sure all splashf()s are voiced properly. |
| 10:01:04 | _bilgus_ | so if you just use the buffer should be fine but if you are trying to do it with the split lines itll repeat a bunch |
| 10:01:35 | _bilgus_ | this shouldn't change that though |
| 10:01:47 | speachy | I don't think this would affect that at all |
| 10:01:54 | _bilgus_ | shouldn't |
| 10:02:27 | speachy | since this operates on a copy of the str(ID) |
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| 10:05:11 | _bilgus_ | there for a time I was thinking we could start making more generic strings that could be shared across messages but only a few international langs later I see that is a pointless endeavor |
| 10:09:27 | speachy | I've done some work on that too |
| 10:10:02 | speachy | but error messages are what trips ya up |
| 10:11:30 | _bilgus_ | and exactly the most useful place for em |
| 10:11:40 | _bilgus_ | at* |
| 10:12:15 | speachy | turns out that a fully translated UI is a lot of work. And voicing it even more so. :D |
| 10:12:40 | _bilgus_ | I'm pretty happy with where this is at currently we need to start thinking about when we want to make a cut off |
| 10:13:32 | speachy | the core is solid, but the plugins are largely untouched still. |
| 10:14:14 | speachy | I started on the textviewer and probably achieved 25% coverage by reusing existing strings |
| 10:15:27 | _bilgus_ | thats not too bad for a one off and I suppose it has quite a few options but we do have a lot of plugins |
| 10:15:55 | _bilgus_ | maybe the % goes down with each new plugin added |
| 10:15:59 | speachy | textviewer is one of the worst |
| 10:16:16 | _bilgus_ | or up in this ca |
| 10:16:35 | speachy | for a lot of the plugins, voicing is pointless due to their inherent visual-ness (ie games) but translation is still important |
| 10:17:04 | speachy | Of course given how hard it's been to get translation updates, I have to wonder just how many non-English users we have |
| 10:17:19 | speachy | (or rather, just how many we have _left_) |
| 10:17:36 | _bilgus_ | well beyond that users who don't make due with english |
| 10:17:55 | speachy | it occurred to me that we don't voice the language selection screen. :D |
| 10:18:55 | speachy | (would probably require manually producing a talkclip for each one) |
| 10:19:52 | _bilgus_ | so do you need to gen that in each language too? |
| 10:19:53 | speachy | when I heavily revamped the talkclip generation script, I set it up so it excluded the .rockbox directory. In hindsight that was probably a mistake |
| 10:20:27 | _bilgus_ | yeah bc in spanish its different |
| 10:20:30 | speachy | no, I think we whould generate standalone .talk for each language. |
| 10:20:41 | _bilgus_ | oh in its language |
| 10:20:42 | speachy | each language name, that is |
| 10:21:25 | _bilgus_ | ok then my idea would work i'd like to have those with every install |
| 10:21:39 | _bilgus_ | like invalid voice prompt |
| 10:21:44 | speachy | I've been finding little usability warts like this, trying to make it so that a visually-challenged person can't accidently do something in the setings that can't be undone without help from someone who can see better. |
| 10:21:54 | _bilgus_ | DING |
| 10:21:56 | speachy | exactly like that. |
| 10:22:40 | _bilgus_ | I do the same time to time try to use rb sightless to fix those things |
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| 10:24:03 | speachy | it would be nice to generate an "invalid voice" clip in each langauge too |
| 10:25:05 | speachy | stuff like the plugin lists aren't voiced either, unless you turn on the option to spell out words. which only works for the English alphabet. |
| 10:25:15 | speachy | I don't have any idea how to solve THAT problem. |
| 10:26:11 | _bilgus_ | I think in most cases it'd be acceptable to just voice them in english |
| 10:26:54 | _bilgus_ | many wouldnt make much sense out of context anyway |
| 10:27:12 | speachy | yeah |
| 10:27:32 | speachy | but when the alternative is... nothing, even not-making-much-sense is an improvement |
| 10:28:12 | _bilgus_ | If you get some clips generated I can work on the localizing part this week/end |
| 10:29:25 | speachy | time permitting, as always. :D |
| 10:29:31 | _bilgus_ | they should probably have the lang in the name like the voice file they correspond to |
| 10:29:44 | speachy | yep |
| 10:31:10 | speachy | Doing this completely universally will be interesting given that we only have pre-defined TTS stuff set up for maybe a dozen languages. But that's where I'll start. |
| 10:32:21 | _bilgus_ | I guess it can fallback to english like the untranslated stuff |
| 10:33:40 | speachy | yeah. |
| 10:34:10 | speachy | I need to stew on this some more |
| 10:34:22 | user890104 | the bulgarian association of blind people is using translated+voiced rockbox, I join their manual translation efforts a long time ago, but couldn't make much progress |
| 10:35:04 | speachy | user890104: given how out of date the Bulgarian translation is (hans't been meaningfully updated in 9 years!).. |
| 10:35:44 | user890104 | i am also unsure how this would be merged, since the manuals are meant to be english-only |
| 10:36:26 | speachy | I don't know how we'd manage manual translations, yeah. But I was referring specifically to the in-firmware string set |
| 10:37:47 | speachy | we're currently at ~67% coverage. if that's improved, I can add nightly voicefile generation too |
| 10:37:53 | user890104 | well, i guess they stopped updating their version at some point |
| 10:39:29 | speachy | presumably −− but we've seen plenty of semi-private forks where folks do a lot of work and never even attempt to submit changes back upstream |
| 10:40:14 | user890104 | well, that's a documentation fork, if you want to put it this way :) |
| 10:41:12 | speachy | 9 years ago is just after the 3.13 release |
| 10:41:33 | speachy | we don't have the infra for translated manuals, alas. |
| 10:42:06 | speachy | it's a solveable problem though. |
| 10:42:46 | user890104 | their most recent translation is named 2013-02-20, so looks like they have submitted their most recent work |
| 10:44:06 | speachy | The last Bulgarian translation update was submitted in March 2015. |
| 10:46:38 | speachy | I don't know how active that community still is; a lot has happened in 9 years with respect to hardware, features, and fixes. |
| 10:47:08 | user890104 | are plugins also translated? |
| 10:48:14 | speachy | plugins weren't able to be translated or voiced until maybe 4 years ago. But only a handful of plugins have been translated. |
| 10:50:08 | speachy | ...I'm slowly changing that. |
| 10:50:24 | speachy | as the saying goes, patches welcome. |
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| 11:22:05 | user890104 | speachy: i've updated g#5727, but unable to test at the moment |
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| 11:24:00 | user890104 | i also haven't forgotten abot the new ipod6g bootloader, what i forgot indeed is to bring my ipod on yesterday's and today's 4 hr. train ride |
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| 12:14:56 | MarcAndersen | I packaged it all into a solid 7z archive to save space, let me know if that's a problem. |
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| 15:52:53 | _bilgus_ | MarcAndersen, nice at this point 7z is probably fine but maybe zip is better for the windows users |
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| 16:20:03 | MarcAndersen | _bilgus_ I don't think zip can make solid archives, and I saved a lot on that, the thing is 1.4 gb and the archive is less than 100 mb |
| 16:22:09 | speachy | while it's your bandwidth, it does seem prudent to not put everything into one archive when only a handful likely matter |
| 16:23:00 | speachy | eg maybe split it into three −− all ipods, all sanas, and everything else? |
| 16:48:04 | _bilgus_ | nah at least 7z is freely available they just don't have native handling last I checked |
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