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04:07:19Guest11Hi there. I have Sansa Clip+ 8 Gb. It won't boot from time to time and I can no longer open anyfiles either from sd or from internal. When I connect it to PC it won't recognize either drive but once I've hidden internal drive I can access sd-card via PC just fine.
04:07:28Guest11From what I understood that internal memory is corrupted but I didn't quite understand if there's anything to be done about it. Is my unit cooked or I can fix this? Thanks
04:08:16Guest11Won't boot into original firmwave either, only into rockbox
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06:04:46sporkGuest11: if you can still install the 'multiboot' bootloader, you might be able to continue to use it from the sd card without using the internal memory
06:06:52sporkhttps://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MultibootBootloader.html
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06:47:07Guest11@spork Hi, thanks for the tip. Right now it's running 3.14 which doesn't support this feature and I can't install a new version cause I don't have access to internal drive via PC but can access files on it in RB file browser. Is there a way to install a new RB version from within RB itself?
06:53:18sporkthe manual install procedure is putting a patched firmware file on the internal memory and installing it
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06:53:56sporkperhaps you can put it on the sd card and copy it to the internal memory from within rockbox
06:56:23Guest11Can you please direct me to where I can download it?
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07:05:49sporkthe link i last pasted
07:13:24Guest11Damn, I think I f'd up :( Deleted .rockbox on internal and replaced it with .rockbox from SD. Seemed to have worked so I killed .rockbox on internal and now it won't boot and says fw not found
07:13:43Guest11I thought that it boots from sd now ^(
07:14:40sporkafter upgrading the firmware with the new bootloader ?
07:15:49Guest11Well, I just replaced .rockbox in internal and rebooted it. I thought that it did the trick
07:17:38Guest11OF says not enough space for music DB which is a symptom of dead nand
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07:26:35sporkif not dead, for sure dying
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07:29:00Guest11Seems like I killed the last way of interacting with it :)
07:30:29sporkremoving the .rockbox from the internal memory is unfortunate
07:33:37Guest11Oh well, I'll give it a crack some other time. Seems like there are more elaborate ways https://www.reddit.com/r/rockbox/comments/16bd2dj/recovered_another_cheap_sansa_clipplus_for_the/
07:33:57Guest11Thanks for the help, man. Cya
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09:12:12_bilgus basically shorting the nand on start up will put you into the hidden part of the drive and you might be able to get a recovery image 'dd' to the drive and need linux
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09:13:45_bilgusbut that was always the danger of not having a multiboot capable bootloader before issues started once it does its probably too late to do any writes
09:15:37_bilgushave had some luck manually moving the entry as it 'AFAICT" has two places it typically goes basically depends on how many times you've upgraded it I suppose
09:17:41_bilgusso the fist upgrade you do I suspect the FW sits at the forward most spot when you upgrade it jumps something like 10mb (Fuzzy on the exact size) and leaves a copy of the old fw in the other position
09:18:29_bilgusnext upgrade it replaces the forward spot and leaves the later one
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09:41:01_bilgusI however don't remember how we find which offset it wants but its probably on the forum somewhere when I walked a user thru how to do it here: https://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,52030.0.html IN 2017!!
09:41:30Guest12Me again. Got lucky and got it working.
09:44:13Guest12It booted into OF on the Nth time, internal storage now shows 3750 MB (used to be an 8 GB unit) and writing to it is super slow and fails often but I managed to update OF with new multiboot via utility so now it boots for sd card
09:45:20Guest12It's gonna play a few more tunes. Happy end, I guess :)
09:45:48Guest12Is it possible that it'll eventually degrade to the point that bootloader section is damaged?
09:46:04_bilgusGuest are you using linx or windows?
09:46:11Guest12Win
09:46:34_bilgusgoing to need at least a live disk of linux ubuntu mint etc
09:46:41_bilgusas rasberry pi will work
09:46:50_bilgusa rasppi*
09:47:15Guest12What for? As I said I got it working through usual means luckily
09:47:17_bilgusif you use windows it has to write the whole drive
09:47:36_bilguswith linux we can just copy in the portion we need
09:48:25_bilgusbasically what yo can try is doing the bootloader upgrade like normal but man its not going to go well I doubt
09:48:43Guest12I just did and it did end well
09:49:23Guest12Just got lucky it seems that memory is not completely corrupted and the process finished succcesfully
09:50:12Guest12But the size shrunk to 3750 MB and it struggles to write to the rest of its internal memory
09:50:24_bilgusso you got the upgraded bootloader to install using the OF?
09:50:47Guest12Yeah, I'm as surprised as you are :)
09:51:12_bilgusif you got a mb bootlader then put a folder on sd card and you should be good
09:51:39_bilgushide the internal drive if its hanging like that so it'll actually mount USB
09:51:41Guest12Yeah, did that already. Just reporting in to give y'all some closure :)
09:52:04_bilgusAwesome glad you got it working
09:52:26Guest12Yeah, me too. Thanks for the help.
09:52:48Guest12I just wonder if it'll continue degrading to the point where it'll affect bootloader section?
09:52:59_bilgusnot in my experience
09:53:11Guest12And if me replacing the battery has anything to do with it?
09:53:18_bilgusjust leave it alone it seems reads don't bother it
09:53:31_bilgusmope the battery wouldn't do it
09:53:38Guest12It's slightly bigger and might be applying pressure somewhere on the pcb where it shouldn't
09:53:40_bilgusjust time and heat basically
09:54:33Guest12But I did have weird problems and glitches with this unit even before the battery replacement
09:54:57_bilgusI'd very seriously doubt it unless it was like causing it to not connect on a pad but eh I'd say more likely you did a bunch of file copies around then and something got screwy
09:55:33_bilgusyou got lucky it booted and it was able to write the upgrade to a slightly better spot
09:56:19_bilgusdon't upgrade the bootloader with the OF ever again and you should be good
09:56:43_bilgus(because its going to try and put it back in the bad spot and fall apart)
09:57:11Guest12I don't remember ever using internal storage. Almost always used sd-card. So it somehow went bad on its own
09:57:34_bilgusno rockbox was running from internal and doing writes there
09:58:25_bilgusyour files were reading from the sd card yes but rockbox was writingto internal atleast every shutdown
09:59:11_bilgussome changes since 3.15 is that settings now get written to a tmp file and th old file is deleted next boot
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10:00:21_bilguswe also messed with timings somewhere in there to hopefully make them more robust (might already be in 3.15)
10:01:49Guest12Understood. Glad you guys exist! Thanks again
10:01:59_bilgusnp, enjoy
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10:31:34sporknice job, Guest12
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10:38:37drewI dug up my old iPod that is running rockbox and would like to update it it to 3.15 but I am not sure if it will run on my ipod correctly or not. I am using an ipod classic with a storage hardware mod that was not working on the previous release
10:39:35drewsomething to do with the initialization time taking too long with the new hardware. The working copy of rockbox I am using has a patch from a user I found on the rockbox forums that fixed this, but I am not sure I can find it. the Version reported in rockbox-info.txt is f2de779393M-190131, if that helps
10:40:35drewIs anyone familiar with hardware like this and whether it prevents rockbox from booting up properly? or are there ways to use the mainline software correctly with the new drive?
10:43:02drewI think this is what I am using, if that helps: https://www.iflash.xyz/store/iFlash-Sata/
10:53:28sporkdo not upgrade to 3.15 but to a daily dev build
10:53:40sporka lot of stuff has improved since 3.15
10:54:03sporkand backup your current .rockbox dir first of course
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11:07:45drewok and just restoring .rockbox will be enough to get it back to the state it's in now?
11:07:56drewif it doesn't boot correctly or whatever
11:11:01sporkyes, indeed
11:12:10_bilgusdrew, alas nothing is guaranteed though but the ipods are recoverable if you do mess up somehow
11:15:23_bilgusdoes anyone have any ideas on why a fdprintf call with the same parameters as 3 separate fdprintf calls would move 100x slower? I was thinking something to do with the internal buffer but it appears to do it in chunks so should be functionally the same i'd think
11:19:26_bilgusI should compare it to doing it piecemeal with strcat or such
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16:53:27speachyoh, meant to ask, I saw on one of these ipods that the recording directory was being displayed as //directoryname
16:53:33speachyin the debuginfo
16:53:57speachywhereas the root directory was /<HD0>/ or something like that.
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17:05:20_bilgushmm probably its supposed to be /hd0/ and its removed it since its mounted
17:06:25_bilgusso the vuprintf thing it seem not to be number values only the strings so maybe its doing something weird like scanning the string multiple times
17:06:27speachythe one I saw it on is in the middle of a battery-dead bootloop
17:07:27_bilguscould it be that it has an old settings file?
17:08:10speachymaybe?
17:08:13_bilguseh looking now on this clipzip it shows the same
17:08:27_bilgusid say I just missed one
17:08:48speachyI've been doing so many storage swaps/trash/restore that I've kinda lost track
17:12:50_bilgusFull Path should be good to look at though
17:14:49speachyI want to promote the X3ii, X20, and Rocker to stable in this release. the erosq/k are too much of a mess with their multiple incompatible hardware versions still
17:15:22speachywell, maybe only the rocker, as it has a manual and others don't.
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18:55:43speachyOk, heavily updated the privacy policy wiki page.
18:57:34speachyThe main reason for the update is that I wanted to make it explicit that "personal information" included as part of an accepted source code/documentation is retained permanently.
18:59:39speachyand to distinguisn between data colletected versus data that users explicitly choose to submit.
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19:04:57speachyjust one more thing on the todo list..
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