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| 10:17:35 | zugu | hello, everyone! just got a Sansa Clip+ and Rockboxed it, then I wanted to factory reset everything so I deleted all files and folders on it; now I'm stuck on a "Plug USB cable" screen and cannot reboot at all, not even to stock firmware; when I plug the USB cable in, Windows does not recognize the device; what can I do? |
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| 10:19:06 | cela | _bilgus Is that using ./rockboxui −−debugwps or a new feature? |
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| 10:41:36 | spork | zugu: if you hold the 'home' button when turning the device on it should boot the original firmware |
| 10:42:31 | spork | if you put an original unpatched firmware file on the sd card and boot the original firmware it should reset to original |
| 10:53:24 | zugu | solved, thanks! |
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| 11:06:24 | spork | zugu: any reason why you want to remove rockbox ? |
| 11:07:12 | spork | (or factory reset as you put it) |
| 11:07:29 | zugu | I had forgot to factory reset the stock firmware, so I wanted to do that after installing rockbox; then I stupidly deleted all the files and was stuck in a bootloop; all is well now, rockbox is up and running again |
| 11:07:49 | spork | aha, that does make sense |
| 11:08:07 | spork | rockbox is particularly awesome on the clip+ |
| 11:10:17 | zugu | yeah, I noticed that; I wanted to buy a Clip Zip initially, it did not arrive, so I rockboxed and case modded an iPod Classic "7th" gen, then fell in love with the size of iPod Shuffle 2nd and 4th gen, so I'm now back to Sansa after getting a bargain Clip+ |
| 11:12:55 | zugu | could anyone please tell me why is there a ##MUSIC# folder on the Clip+ when there's another folder called MUSIC? |
| 11:13:37 | spork | the ##MUSIC## is from the original firmware |
| 11:13:51 | spork | i think it is used by its MTP mode |
| 11:13:52 | zugu | I see, thanks! |
| 11:14:32 | spork | you can delete both |
| 11:14:49 | zugu | where will the SD card contents appear in Rockbox? |
| 11:15:50 | spork | that depends on the version of rockbox |
| 11:16:23 | spork | on mine, if i go to 'files' i see a <microSD0> folder |
| 11:16:43 | spork | that is the internal memory i think |
| 11:17:03 | zugu | noted! |
| 11:17:09 | spork | i use the multiboot bootloader and what i see in 'files' is the contents of the sd card directly |
| 11:17:54 | MarcAndersen | Why are you recommending to put rockbox on the sd? Mine has always been on the internal. |
| 11:18:18 | spork | multiboot is highly recommended for a clip+ |
| 11:18:29 | spork | because the internal can fail |
| 11:18:32 | MarcAndersen | Mine is a clip zip though |
| 11:18:38 | spork | and then you have a useless device |
| 11:18:43 | spork | works for clip zip too |
| 11:18:59 | MarcAndersen | Yes but if it does the bootloader goes too? or not? |
| 11:19:05 | spork | nope |
| 11:19:19 | spork | failing starts by writes giving errors |
| 11:19:21 | MarcAndersen | Hmm. Is it hard to set up? |
| 11:19:46 | zugu | oh, I see, it's like the emunand on a modded Nintendo 3DS; NAND eventually fails, but SDcards are more resilient, I think; and obviously easily replaceable |
| 11:19:58 | spork | https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MultibootBootloader.html |
| 11:20:42 | spork | it is not hard at all |
| 11:20:43 | MarcAndersen | Oh, thanks. In the days I started with rockbox that was not possible yet and I never got to looking at it. |
| 11:21:16 | spork | hardest (in windows) is to create a filename with '+' in it |
| 11:21:36 | zugu | :) |
| 11:22:11 | spork | if you install the current bootloader with rockbox utility it has this feature included |
| 11:23:01 | spork | in theory this makes sansa's last a long time |
| 11:23:12 | zugu | so how do I get rockbox installed on the SD card? just copy everything over from the internal memory? |
| 11:23:20 | spork | ye |
| 11:23:25 | spork | a .rockbox |
| 11:23:39 | spork | the .rockbox dir |
| 11:23:50 | zugu | and isn't the bootloader installed on the internal NAND as well? if the NAND fails, how will the bootloader be able to point to the SD card? |
| 11:24:08 | spork | it is, but writing will fail before reading |
| 11:24:20 | spork | and after this you will never write to it again |
| 11:24:22 | zugu | I see |
| 11:24:49 | spork | no guarantees and all but this should reduce risk of catastrophic failure |
| 11:24:57 | zugu | hear, hear |
| 11:26:05 | spork | i have done this on my 6 supported devices |
| 11:56:50 | zugu | I just plugged in my microSD card and it's not showing up in Files |
| 11:57:26 | zugu | it's an 128 GB card formatted as FAT32, restarted the device and still nothing |
| 11:57:56 | speachy | Using the 3.15 release or a recent-ish daily build? |
| 11:58:05 | zugu | using the latest stable release |
| 11:58:28 | speachy | what's probably happening is that the _parition_ is FAT32 but the card is partioned with GPT |
| 11:59:08 | zugu | so I need to partition it with MBR?! |
| 11:59:09 | speachy | (instead of the "classic" MBR −− GPT+exFAT is how >32GB SD cards are shipped from their mfg |
| 11:59:15 | speachy | or you can update to a daily build |
| 11:59:20 | zugu | I see |
| 11:59:47 | speachy | I added GPT support sometime in the past year I think. or maybe last year? |
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| 12:00:33 | speachy | but there's been a metric f-ton of improvements in the past 5 years since 3.15 was released. |
| 12:01:16 | spork | go daily |
| 12:01:30 | spork | 'stable' does not have multiboot |
| 12:01:46 | MarcAndersen | Have you set a timeline for 4.0? Many of my friends do not like running dailies and I would like to get those features out to them |
| 12:03:51 | speachy | I'd hoped to have it out pretty much every month for the past 3-4 months but $life keeps throwing me major curveballs, and we keep finding things that need to be fixed. Plus the reported test coverage of anything that's not an ipod or sansa or x1000 devices is quite poor. |
| 12:04:34 | MarcAndersen | I see. Just take your time then. |
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| 12:06:02 | speachy | from a backend/infra/process perspective we're ready to go; just tag and kick off the builds. |
| 12:06:11 | spork | i wish i had many friends that could update |
| 12:06:51 | speachy | (well, changelogs need to be brought up to date for the past 1.5 months) |
| 12:07:30 | spork | take away _bilgus's commit rights to catch up |
| 12:07:45 | spork | speachy: can the wiki search be fixed ? |
| 12:07:46 | MarcAndersen | Yeah I saw you updated the release notes page and then I thought that it was released along with that. |
| 12:08:20 | spork | with google's bot being blocked, the rockbox site is hard to search |
| 12:08:40 | speachy | google's AI bot is blocked but their regular bot isn't. |
| 12:08:56 | spork | google returns no rockbox.org results for me |
| 12:09:29 | speachy | oh that's nice. sigh |
| 12:09:46 | spork | anyway, the wiki search opens a login page |
| 12:10:12 | * | speachy adds yet another item to the endless todo list. |
| 12:10:17 | spork | soz |
| 12:11:30 | speachy | the Google AI bot was generating ~25GB/day in traffic and using up about half the CPU resources in the process. |
| 12:12:14 | speachy | (not to single google out here; it seems the latest generation of crawling-for-AI all act pathologically. |
| 12:13:57 | ant | god bless ai |
| 12:16:15 | spork | nothing smart about ai crawlers |
| 12:17:07 | speachy | it's just that the folks implementing them ignore the lessons and behaviors that the search crawlers _from the same organization_ demonstrated. |
| 12:17:16 | speachy | FFS. |
| 12:17:35 | speachy | not to mention completley ignoring robots.txt |
| 12:17:55 | speachy | that's pretty much an insta-ban in my book. |
| 12:19:00 | speachy | when the malware probes behave better than the "legit" stuff you know someting is very wrong. |
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| 13:37:44 | _bilgus | cela its in gerrit now using ./rockboxui, along with a crosshair cursor and a help messgae (F1 key) |
| 13:41:50 | _bilgus | I'd like to hear about some results on something other than linux before I push |
| 13:45:20 | _bilgus | spork probably half of those started as a bug spelunking mission :) |
| 13:52:09 | sark | it is impressive |
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| 13:54:05 | chris_s | _bilgus: SDL_SYSTEM_CURSOR_HAND seems better suited |
| 13:56:23 | _bilgus | agreed |
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| 14:04:34 | chris_s | The half-second delay feels a bit annoying to me.... is it necessary to be so conservative about that? |
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| 14:06:58 | _bilgus | I mean not really its doubtful anything the sim is running on will not be able to handle it |
| 14:07:22 | _bilgus | I just didn't like how jumpy it was otherwise |
| 14:10:35 | chris_s | For the cursor change, too? I feel like that should not have a (perceptible) delay. HZ/4 at most maybe... |
| 14:11:34 | _bilgus | that was actually prior |
| 14:13:42 | _bilgus | I can't say I notice much of a difference between either with the cursor involved |
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| 14:16:37 | chris_s | the help text shows "[] scroll forward |
| 14:16:38 | chris_s | [Space] scroll backward" for the iPod video, probably even though it has BUTTON_SCROLL_FWD, because it's defined but not in the buttonmap |
| 14:17:19 | _bilgus | I was wondering about that |
| 14:17:47 | _bilgus | I think with the cursor change we probably don't need the title change |
| 14:19:23 | _bilgus | I guess we can block anything that returns "" from SDL_GETKeyName |
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| 14:34:21 | _bilgus | done. |
| 14:37:50 | _bilgus | I still find the fast flash back to UI_TITLE a bit annoying but having it at the back of the window title makes it bearable I still might remove the title change part |
| 14:40:54 | chris_s | yeah, title constantly changing can become a bit distracting :) . .. checking for keyname[0] doesn't seem to help .,.. SDL_GetKeyName(BUTTON_SCROLL_FWD) or SDL_GetKeyName(BUTTON_SCROLL_BACK) returns some string |
| 14:43:46 | chris_s | I'm not sure HELPTXT(BUTTON_SCROLL_FWD /BACK is needed at all? Isn't that covered by the buttonmap already |
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| 14:44:57 | chris_s | in the case of the iPod video: |
| 14:44:58 | chris_s | [Keypad 8] Scroll Back |
| 14:44:59 | chris_s | [Keypad 2] Scroll Fwd |
| 14:46:28 | _bilgus | ah good |
| 14:46:49 | _bilgus | I was just going with what was in the button_events fn |
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| 15:06:31 | _bilgus | ok I think I'm pretty happy with all that |
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| 15:10:54 | _bilgus | now someone is goinh to want it in the sdl app |
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| 16:50:08 | _bilgus | I was going to push the help menu one too but making it a child of the main app stops playback and making it non-modal makes the sim get a force quit message |
| 16:50:33 | _bilgus | guessing I need to process someting in my event loop |
| 16:51:04 | _bilgus | no because when its non-modal I don't get access :/ |
| 16:53:08 | _bilgus | oh nm it stops it in both |
| 16:55:10 | _bilgus | well thats too bad but I'm not dealing with owner drawn text for this |
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