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#rockbox log for 2025-01-05

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10:38:05rb-bluebotBuild Server message: New build round started. Revision f42343b715, 345 builds, 9 clients.
10:38:05rb-bluebot[BugFix] Ipod 6G Classic Shutdown Hang by William Wilgus
10:49:22_bilgus_ok so Ipods 6G and classic what is a 5.5g? the video?
10:50:02_bilgus_^ I think this bug is present on these devices too jedging by the forum post so maybe this needs expanded to whatever a 5.5G is
10:50:20speachyyeah
10:50:25_bilgus_https://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,55036.msg254526.html#msg254526
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10:54:32_bilgus_well the vide has a similar command bcm_init on lcd_awake() I wonder if all lcd sleep devices should turn on lcd on shutdown
10:54:50_bilgus_I was sorta worried it might fix these and break others
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11:02:47rb-bluebot[Bugfix] call lcd_awake() unconditioanlly on shutdown for devices with HAVE_LCD_SLEEP by William Wilgus
11:06:08_bilgus_In theory lcd_awake() would get called anyway if there was something to display so should be fine
11:10:04_bilgus_I know this bug has been reported several times over the last few years with similar circumstances, (and irate users) hopefully that solves all of it across them
11:12:13speachyhmm, could result in the display flashing awake on shutdown. which I suppose it probably does already anyway
11:12:48_bilgus_yeah but no backlight
11:13:16_bilgus_well if you set it that way..
11:13:29_bilgus_otherwise its just business as usual
11:13:30user890104I've pushed an updated lcd driver for ipod6g recently, it changes the lcd sleep/awake behaviour
11:14:15_bilgus_I really don't think this is new though and its happenig on the video too
11:14:51_bilgus_I can't find the post RN but Ive been seeing this bug report for probably 3 years now
11:15:21_bilgus_it starts with my battery runs down with device shutdown
11:15:50_bilgus_and ends with hold switch on shutdown hangs device
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11:17:09_bilgus_user890104, when you get a chance you want to look at https://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,55159.0.html
11:17:29_bilgus_he has the steps to repro it pretty quickly
11:18:27_bilgus_If I had the device in hand I'd investigate a bit more but I think it has to do with the clocks being off
11:19:23user890104it could be related to https://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/c/rockbox/+/6214
11:19:27_bilgus_its definately something to do with lcd_awake though as when I just turned on the backlight without lcd_awake it still crashed
11:20:56speachyhuh, lcd_awake() is defined in the target specific lcd-target.h
11:21:35speachyno it's in firmware/export/backlight.h
11:21:44speachywrapped with HAVE_LCD_SLEEP
11:21:59speachyso these build failres are for targets that define HAVE_LCD_SLEEP but don't export a lcd_awake() function.
11:22:11speachytk, tsk
11:22:27_bilgus_it has some weird declares that make them nops I think
11:22:48speachyI don't think so, just a simple funciton prototype
11:23:58_bilgus_odd to have them in the c file but I guess they get added later and it can find them globally?
11:23:59speachypresumably the solution here is to define a stub for each of these targets
11:24:13_bilgus_weak ref be easier
11:24:41speachyI'm not fond of those in general, but I think it's a bad idea in this case.
11:24:57speachybecause this is supposed to be part of the target-specific lcd driver
11:25:19speachyI'd rather we get a failure to build than let folks think their driver is complete when it's really not.
11:25:32_bilgus_I don't see anything in 6214 that makes me go hmm but I guess there could be something thats no longer getting set up proper?
11:26:08_bilgus_Ah good point, are you alreead working on this or shall I?
11:27:35speachyif you don't mind, please take care of it? I just happen to be at the keyboard right now but I have to deal with some plumbing.
11:27:56speachy(and can't get to this until later today)
11:28:05_bilgus_just making sure before I have to abandon something because you beat me to it :P
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11:59:10_bilgus_so I found 13 devices that have lcd_sleep and as far as I can see no lcd_awake but only 10 builds failed so its probably those 3 will fail as its a redefinition
11:59:45babaguurg sorry i got disconnected before i could readn eventual reply to: "would there be a way on an Eros/Surfans to have sound coming by  the headphone and the lineout jack? considering using those players as rudimentary DJ turntables, but would be hard without this feature (or maybe splitting the lineout to 2 mono...?)"
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12:06:13_bilgus_babagu, if the hardware supports it then yes but likely we do the switching in software so in theory you could disable that and make both active but you'll have to wait for someone who knows the hardware to say for sure
12:06:58babaguah i see... how to investigate that further?
12:07:04babagumaybe i will ask on the forum...
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12:11:22_bilgus_probably your best bet of not having to wait all day or longer
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12:16:26rb-bluebot[Fix Red] define lcd_awake for targets with lcd_sleep by William Wilgus
12:16:51_bilgus_I got it down to 11/10 I'll just see what falls out
12:17:57speachythe hardware can't independently drive the two outputs
12:18:03speachyon the erosq
12:18:12_bilgus_babagu ^
12:18:23_bilgus_what about the x3?
12:18:26speachysame
12:18:46_bilgus_damn thats what I suspected but hadn't gotten to pullin it out
12:19:33speachysingle pcm output on the SoC hooked up to a single i2s stream that's fed into a single codec that feeds into a stereo switch.
12:19:47speachys/single/single stereo/g
12:20:32speachyin theory we could treat it as two independent mono streams but that would takesome heavy internal surgery.
12:20:43_bilgus_so IOW buy two
12:21:15speachyyep, and an external eq/fader
12:22:02_bilgus_you could mix two tracks though I wonder if the device would be fast enough to do two decodings to the stereo stream
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12:23:17_bilgus_you'd have to do it in a plugin and mix the raw pcm there to bypass our frontend that wants a single track fed by the playlist
12:23:50speachynevermind our UI really isn't set up for something like this
12:25:25_bilgus_Itd be clunky-er at best i'd rather have the two devices
12:26:41speachyhave a hard time seeing how a generic cheapo laptop with a pair of generic USB DACs wouldn't be vastly better in every way
12:27:22speachyHah, run two copies of rockbox with each pinned to a different device. :D
12:31:24chris_s_bilgus_: fwiw, I tried reproducing https://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,55036.msg254526.html#msg254526 on an iPod video when it was posted, but wasn't able to / still can't, even before your latest fix, so possibly a different issue,  since iPodVT mentioned, he was also only seeing the shutdown crash on the iPod6G.
12:31:43_bilgus_I think the idea is no bulky laptop and less power hungry
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12:34:07speachygiven that you already have some sort of sound system/PA going on, the "bulk" of the laptop is... negligable.
12:34:21speachy(likely mains-powered too)
12:34:54_bilgus_sometimes provided by the venue though.. or hacked with a fm transmitter
12:35:52_bilgus_chris_s I don't see any harm in this calling lcd_awake (besides the targets missing it I guess) but everything else is going to be calling it if a message comes up so we just turn it on early
12:36:43chris_syeah, seems to work well
12:37:04_bilgus_there might be a device that ffforces the backlight on out of lcccd_awake but I figure we'll hear about it
12:37:43_bilgus_my keyboard is doing double keys even ctrl v it is not that cold here.
12:40:03babaguwow i see thanks
12:42:12babaguyeah that was indeed to move places that already have a PA/soundsystem, and carry only the minimal. and two rockbox devices is what i had in mind, but if each could also provide (even mono!) output to a "phones" line, on which i could independantly listen to 1 or 2, regardless of what is coming though for the mix, that would be close to "perfect"
12:42:13babagusetup for DJing!
12:42:44babagu(minus how accessible the pitch shift is... the impossbility to use the wheel for fine-grained seeking, and a few things like this, but still...)
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12:46:32_bilgus_well the two devices I was thinking of won't be able to probably not likely for any of the others,,
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13:08:31_bilgus_devices that do stuff in lcd_awake .. mrobe500 samsung yh820 sansaconnect and the ipods (6G video nano2g)
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14:39:28rb-bluebotPlaylist Viewer: slight simplification by Christian Soffke
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14:46:55_bilgus_hmm just noticed that my device has display corruption on startup with this current theme Cleanscreen-SpinalTap and so far it does it back to at least jul 2024 I guess i'll bisect if I ever find a build where it works
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14:56:24_bilgus_well I guess we've made progress at the end of 2022 it would have crashed
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15:25:26_bilgus_haha we must have gotten the omit plugins some time in 2020 ok so its been happening since at least the end of 2019 the theme is from 2014 it happens in 3.15 now to do the harder thing of tracking down the bug in the code
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16:02:48speachy_bilgus_: you mean the theme's been technically broken since before 3.15?
16:03:19speachyor are you talking about something else now? kinda hard to follow
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16:30:41afearfultravelerhey :)
16:31:16afearfultravelerToday I think I corrupted all of my iPod by transferring too much using the default mode (rockbox) to transfer.
16:32:22afearfultravelerNow, I can't make any changes to the hard drive. I connect it (in disk mode) to my Linux computer, mount it and try to delete my music, uninstall rockbox, etc... and when unmounting, rebooting, it just reverts to the same state
16:32:46afearfultravelerIt's soo weird, because when using rm -rf / Nautilus to delete file it's not giving me any errors!!
16:32:52afearfultravelerDoes someone has an idea :) ?
16:33:11afearfultravelerImportant information:
16:33:21afearfultraveler- I'm using an Ipod Video 5'th Gen
16:33:32afearfultraveler- I'm using a 128Gib iFlash adapter
16:34:05afearfultraveler- I was able to transfer FLACs file onto it, and it suddenly stopped working. I did not know about disk mode at the time
16:34:55afearfultraveler- When I click to play a file (in the file browser of Rockbox), instead of the name there's some alphanumerical (probably some binary data travelling where it shouldn't be!!)
16:35:48afearfultraveler- I'm using the daily build
16:49:53user890104afearfultraveler: can you try running fsck.fat on the partition?
16:54:30afearfultraveleruser890104, ok so; I tried something destructive because I have a back-up of everything and just decided to overwrite everything with dd :( so I can't answer sorry
16:54:35afearfultravelersudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=4M status=progress
16:55:48user890104ok then, but if you eject and reconnect it, does it show the old contents?
16:55:57_bilgus_it was broken in 3.15 it doesn't crash but that display glitch is pointing to .. something..
16:57:07afearfultraveleruser890104, I'll tell you when it's done, it's taking pretty long. Longer than I thought it would
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16:57:21rb-bluebot[FS #10686] Peakmeter on ipod 5g using too much CPU by William Wilgus
16:57:32afearfultraveler5133828096 bytes (5.1 GB, 4.8 GiB) copied, 629 s, 8.2 MB/s ==> need to be patient, it's going to be a long night
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17:12:58_bilgus_hmm the radio skin has something as does the sbs skin but the wps part appears to be fine
17:14:48_bilgus_oh ok I take that back its in the sbs skin of cleanscreen-spinaltap but the radio skin makes it show different garbled data
17:14:56_bilgus_guessing bufferovfl
17:16:06_bilgus_I'll track it down this eve
17:19:13_bilgus_it looks like different pieces of the skin so maybe something with the preload is bad (this skin does have massive artwork)
17:19:52_bilgus_depending on when I load it versus the other parts changes what is garbled when the sbs is loaded
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18:00:14rb-bluebothttps://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10686 Peakmeter on ipod 5g using too much CPU (replacing FS #10527) (bugs, closed)
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20:28:51_bilgus_this is weird the miniml reproducible sbs doesn't even load a image its '%V(0,0,-,-,-)%VB%Vf(FFFFFF)%Vb(000000)
20:28:51_bilgus_# set UI viewport
20:28:52_bilgus_%Vi(Z,0,14,96,-,-)%Vf(FFFFFF)%Vb(000000)
20:28:52DBUGEnqueued KICK _bilgus_
20:28:52_bilgus_%VI(Z)'
20:29:44_bilgus_those three lines corrupt the display on load
20:30:56chris_scould be wrong, but doesn't the VI have to come before the Vi ?
20:34:08chris_sor maybe not
20:34:34_bilgus_no says i then I
20:35:02_bilgus_i wonder if its a one off in the - code
20:35:15_bilgus_default '-'
20:38:59chris_sis that supposed to work though? Looking at the SBS it's filling the whole viewport with an image and then tries to draw the UI viewport on top of it ?
20:39:54chris_soh I missed the %VB
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20:47:45_bilgus_its not a one off error
20:48:13_bilgus_might be a more than one off error I suppose maybe its not drawing the bg color
20:48:40chris_si haven't looked at the code, but in the docs it says you need to add %V(0,0,-,-,-) when switching to the foreground layer: https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS.html#Viewport_Draw_Layer
20:49:19_bilgus_so maybe its misplaced?
20:49:53chris_sI think both is needed, fullscreen backdrop viewport and then a fullscreen foreground layer
20:55:09chris_son the other hand that causes flashing of the screen. idk, my impression is that there's still lots of undefined behavior when it comes to using the backdrop layer in SBS - I've tried to avoid using that in my own themes
20:56:23chris_sDidn't really dare look at the implementation for that
20:58:11speachythar definitely be dragons
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21:05:17_bilgus_yeah so they are missing the second one to switch back
21:08:56_bilgus_lol thats it
21:09:23_bilgus_so is there a way to fix it without altering the theme
21:12:03_bilgus_we know it can't be anything other than %xd or %V(0,0,-,-,-)
21:12:29_bilgus_so if its something else slip in %V(0,0,-,-,-)
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21:50:19_bilgus_ok so I can detect if you try to call something other than xd Vf OR Vb and fail the theme load
21:51:23_bilgus_I think I can do similar in the viewport convert function but just add a vp if its not a full screen one
21:58:44_bilgus_otherwise I guess it will fail checkwps and we will know who else forgot..
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22:05:16_bilgus_yeah the issue is that I don't have a way to add an element in the middle
22:05:34_bilgus_I can detect the error though and fail the load
22:06:51_bilgus_I guess thats the right thing to do, I can probably skip the other tags part thats less likely to cause issues
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23:07:39chris_s_bilgus_: I don't think you can be quite as conservative as g6315 - that would break  FreshOS, Adwaitapod, Themify..,
23:11:40_bilgus_the issue is I can't really insert a new element without going up the parser stack so rather than display corruption what recourse do we have except to break them and then fix them?
23:13:00chris_sisn't this disallowing *any* further VB viewports though even after they've inserted a foreground viewport, which should actaully be allowed?
23:13:26_bilgus_no
23:14:46_bilgus_curr_vp->output_to_backdrop_buffer is the determination after that your curr->vp is the fg
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23:17:27_bilgus_I'll see if I can write something to the buffer to at least black it out because other than the display corruption on load when it gets going it seems ok
23:18:01_bilgus_aliased pointers something something..
23:18:37_bilgus_but the asan stuff isn't catching iot so might be fine otherwise
23:22:22_bilgus_use_extra_framebuffer maybe I can black it out ahead of time
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23:23:33_bilgus_oh it doesn't look like it does anything :/
23:32:50chris_sre 6315, once another VB viewport appears it becomes the curr_vp though, doesn't it? So if after V(0,0,-,-,-) on the foreground layer you have another background viewport at some point, you are then forced to follow it up with another SKIN_TOKEN_VIEWPORT_LOAD ?
23:38:07chris_sThe docs seem to imply that it's fine to draw further viewports on the background even after %V(0,0,-,-,-) (" Any viewports you want drawn on the backdrop need the %VB tag" in step 3) unless I'm reading that incorrectly
23:42:50_bilgus_oh see I was reading it as doing that after the seconv %V
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23:57:28_bilgus_OK so how about this? the issue is that they are loading a uninitialized background buffer what if I mark empty buffers and set them to 0 before I hand them back?
23:58:02_bilgus_ultimately the display corruption is superficial

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