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#rockbox log for 2025-02-07

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01:10:54_bilgus_my next question is how do you intend to show these other characters? what if the current font doesn't have them?
01:11:57_bilgus_if my a-z list is a-z and 15 blocks [] of non display characters I'd call that a bug as a user
01:13:09_bilgus_nah I think you should add that to the tagnav file like the A-z stuff was prior
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06:32:09OlsroFRbenchmarked my iPod Mini 2nd gen in real conditions. I can get 20h05 of battery on Rockbox with 16MB of songs buffer (db cached "quick" with 30 000 songs), a real 256GB CF card, and playing Apple AAC TVBR -q99 (around 220kbps) big files. This is very good.
06:32:48OlsroFRPreviously, with a real CF card, I could never get past 15 hours no matter what. So the new power management code is also really able to gain some more hours in this context too.
06:32:58OlsroFRNow Rockbox competes very well against Stock OS in all situations
06:33:34OlsroFRhttps://pastebin.com/fjCU8R7i
06:36:33OlsroFR_bilgus_ But there's a numerical section with your code that is auto-generated, which is why a "Special" section would also makes sense in terms of user experience. Also, it's what is doing for example the iOS 6 music player in iOS: when you scroll through letters in the side bar, there's a section for special characters at the end of the list. I
06:36:33OlsroFRwill have time today to tinker around this, I will do tests to auto generate this "Special" menu
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08:41:10OlsroFR_bilgus_ https://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/c/rockbox/+/6371 Also fixed the "Numerical" entry. It was bug and was showing some non numerical characters
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09:31:10speachynon-ascii is a complete cluster-f in many areas.
09:33:01speachy(finally back home, time to catch up on the _very very_ large backlog of crap..)
09:34:59speachywe can't speak the letters, we can't even _sort_ the letters.
09:37:03speachythat utf8proc patch I have cooking will give us case folding as well, but the best we can do is sort by numerical value.
09:37:23speachys/numerical value/code point/
09:39:34speachybluebrother: any chance you can kick bluebot so it can communicate with the buildserver again?
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10:03:38qfSeems like Skip Length is at conflict with cuesheet support :-/
10:03:58Xogiumif I know the capacity my new ipod battery is advertised as, should I set it in rockbox settings, or can it determine the capacity by itself in some way ?
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10:05:09speachythe "capacity" is only used for "remaining runtime" estimation. The battery percentage is based on the battery discharge curve
10:05:49speachywhich is independent of the capacity as long as the batteries share the same chemistry.
10:06:42Xogiumahh, right. I remember now
10:06:52Xogiumfwiw took the battery from ifixit
10:10:04Xogiumbecause I've seen a lot of batteries from dubious sellers that claim to be 3000 mAh or more, but they never share the *actual* capacity which is often much lower
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10:44:05OlsroFRsomeone reported on the iPod Discord that the iPod 3rd gens don't support hardware clicks on Rockbox. Is it a known issue ?
10:46:11speachyI've seen inconsistent reports but never had any way to independently confirm anything.
10:46:21speachy(the only working ipod I own is a mini2g and nano2g)
10:54:26OlsroFRI see. Will not investigate further on this, I do not want/have this device too. I've said to them that they should come here if they need help or to report bugs
10:55:45OlsroFRRockbox uses also different power management code with these first iPods, I am even wondering if they support the iFlash adapters without constant crash. Chances that the power management is also incomplete there. Who knows... using rockbox with these first ipods seems to be very rare nowadays
10:56:40OlsroFRIn France these iPods are very rare and expensive to find also
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11:00:12_bilgus_OlsroFR, so the bug was that it was showing extra chars?
11:00:41OlsroFR_bilgus_ Yes, not only numerical ones. I could reproduce it each time with my big library of music.
11:00:58OlsroFRMy code avoid ASCII/UTF quirks, by working with fixed lists of characters
11:01:23OlsroFRSince like you've also took the script from the old .config file, I suspect this bug to be here since a lot of time...
11:01:41_bilgus_OK I read that as it wasn't showing them and I would not consider that a bug
11:02:28OlsroFRyeah, that is the inverse: showing characters that are not supposed to be here
11:02:34_bilgus_got it
11:03:10OlsroFRnow with my new code, it guarantees that all the music will be shown somewhere. Numerical for numericals. A-Z (can insensitive) for alphabetical. Then there is a new "Special character" entry for all the rest :)
11:03:26_bilgus_cool
11:06:01OlsroFR+speachy The other day I modified this https://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/c/rockbox/+/6368 and answered your comment. It's stable on my iPod. I feel like I removed any kind of corruption risk while keeping the most advantages of this patch.
11:06:45_bilgus_I've been running callgrind on the sim looking for hot spots what I wonder is.. Does and How accurately a halving of the 'Est Cost' equate to a doubling of performance?
11:12:58_bilgus_my back of the envelope calculations say sometimes? Though I guess because of the difference between x86 and arm that makes sense
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12:59:16speachyOlsoFR: The older ipods use an older version of the PP SoC too, but that shouldn't matter with respect to externally switchable power supplies
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17:15:47OlsroFRWould be cool to be able to show the morse code cheat sheet in a much larger font on the recent iPods. The default font size works really well for low DPI iPods (monochrome ones for example), but is really difficult to show with the iPod Videos/Classics
17:16:14OlsroFRBut it is hard coded and using a default "sysfont", so it seems not easy to do better without creating regressions
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17:36:27speachycould be extended to use a larger font on larger screen sizes
17:37:32OlsroFRmaybe with a config variable ? The morse input screen contains hard coded code (the bar size is hard coded). It will need modifications if a larger font is used (to put larger bars so they don't look tiny around big letters from using a bigger font)
17:37:47OlsroFRcompilation variable, I meant
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17:52:28speachyall of that would have to be made more dynamic
17:52:55speachyit's "just work"
17:53:21speachymost plugins are able to deal with differently-sized screens and fonts
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18:26:07user890104speachy: looks like the ipod4g bootloader in master is broken, I compiled it and tried to install it on OlsroFR's ipod last week, but it just stayed on the apple logo screen forever
18:26:28user890104then I used https://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/bootloader-ipod4g.ipod and it worked fine
18:26:50user890104we didn't have enough time to debug it
18:28:24user890104so one or more changes in the last 15 years must have broken it
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19:23:32chris_suser890104: it works after bumping the toolchain to gcc 9.5.0 ( g#6318)
19:23:35rb-bluebotGerrit review #6318 at https://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/c/rockbox/+/6318 : Toolchains: Update to GCC 9.5.0 by Solomon Peachy
19:24:06user890104chris_s: any idea why it's broken with the old gcc?
19:25:35chris_snot really
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19:32:15chris_shuh, changing Os to O2 (for gcc 4.9.4) seems to make it work
19:47:23chris_sseems to be broken (at least) since the toolchain bump to 4.9.4 though
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