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| 02:14:51 | sonne | speachy: so never mind ipod is broken again.. i plugged it to my computer while it was sleeping/off, it looked like it went to dfu (had the apple "do not disconnect" screen), i rebooted it and we're back to "No partition found". now there is a 16gb partition coming from god knows where plus an 8MB one, rest is free space |
| 02:15:33 | sonne | something is repartitioning the flash every time it's in a bad mood |
| 02:16:18 | sonne | ah obviously the partitions are all junk |
| 02:16:53 | sonne | was it a mistake to plug it before turning it on? |
| 02:21:03 | sonne | sector is still 512b. repartitioning / reformatting / reinstalling works. |
| 02:31:49 | Xogium | sonne: which ipod is that ? |
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| 02:33:03 | Xogium | just asking out of curiosity mind you. Because I know that in my case, no matter if I plug the ipod in question before or after, it makes no difference and the mass storage device shows up. In fact plugging it in boots up the ipod. Ipod video, that is |
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| 02:39:30 | sonne | Xogium: 6g |
| 02:39:47 | sonne | that's what i would expect as well, in fact i'm super surprised |
| 02:39:54 | Xogium | that is interesting... Doesn't it boot up the minute you plug it in ? |
| 02:40:11 | sonne | and i'm also rather worried, because at some point i /will/ plug it to charge and forget to turn it on before −− if that was the problem |
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| 02:40:35 | sonne | Xogium: it did, but it went straight to the apple screen that says "do not disconnect" |
| 02:40:57 | sonne | then i disconnected it (i know right?) and the partitioning was all in the crapper |
| 02:41:13 | Xogium | I mean I figured out mine was booting up mind you, only because of the slight vibration of the hard drive and the sound it makes when brought close to my ear, so there's that |
| 02:41:25 | Xogium | hmm |
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| 02:41:54 | Xogium | are you attempting to restore it ? Or, actually, have you restored it with itunes ? |
| 02:42:12 | sonne | so there are two things baffling me - one is that plugging it sends it to that "recovery mode", the other is that every time that mode is booted it partitions my disk randomly |
| 02:42:18 | Xogium | you need to have the sotck firmware on it before you can setup rockbox |
| 02:42:25 | sonne | Xogium: no no, it was working yesterday, with rockbox |
| 02:42:31 | sonne | i even listened to music |
| 02:42:34 | Xogium | oooh |
| 02:42:48 | sonne | this morning i plugged it because i wanted to load more themes on it, and it offed itself |
| 02:42:57 | Xogium | whoa |
| 02:43:05 | Xogium | I've never seen this before |
| 02:43:06 | sonne | i know right? |
| 02:43:21 | Xogium | is this a modded ipod so to speak, flash instead of mechanical drive ? |
| 02:43:25 | sonne | yes |
| 02:43:29 | Xogium | ooooh |
| 02:43:30 | sonne | it has a 1TB flash |
| 02:43:36 | Xogium | dying flash is my first idea |
| 02:43:40 | sonne | it's brand new |
| 02:43:49 | Xogium | genuine ? |
| 02:44:02 | sonne | genuine what? |
| 02:44:07 | Xogium | some fakes can be... Very convincing |
| 02:44:10 | sonne | the ipod is, the flash is a sandisk |
| 02:44:17 | sonne | surely is convincing to me :D |
| 02:44:55 | Xogium | so it is some iflash adapter, also genuine, the solo I'm guessing, with the 1 tb card ? |
| 02:45:07 | sonne | my best explanation is that some part of original firmware goes "wtf is this 1TB thing, everyone knows the maximum number of bytes is 128G, the universe is meaningless" and attempts to fix reality |
| 02:45:12 | sonne | Xogium: correct |
| 02:45:56 | sonne | bought from the iflash store |
| 02:46:01 | Xogium | that... Or your card is not really 1 tb for real, and things explode because it randomly writes to places where it can't be saved, and scrambles itself |
| 02:46:17 | sonne | hmmm |
| 02:46:30 | sonne | one of THOSE fakes eh |
| 02:46:38 | Xogium | yeah that's what I'm suspecting |
| 02:46:55 | Xogium | mind you it's just a random thought |
| 02:46:58 | sonne | no no i get it |
| 02:47:22 | sonne | amazon says it's sold+shipped by amazon, and they claim it is a sandisk |
| 02:47:45 | sonne | not the world's best of guarantees but at least it's not some random chinese shop |
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| 02:48:15 | Xogium | I'd attempt to grab the card out of there and scan it with this software, of course, if you have a linux box |
| 02:48:18 | Xogium | https://github.com/AltraMayor/f3 |
| 02:49:01 | Xogium | amazon's still risky because of the way they chuck stuff into the storage bins. You can end up with either a genuine or a fake, even if it's officially sold fron sandisk |
| 02:49:15 | Xogium | *from |
| 02:49:36 | sonne | Xogium: i am running linux, i built f3 - what should i do with it? |
| 02:49:42 | Xogium | lets see |
| 02:49:43 | sonne | once i manage to reopen that ipod that is |
| 02:50:03 | sonne | which will probably take me another 40 minutes and about a dozen scratches and deformations on the shell |
| 02:50:42 | Xogium | that'll be annoying definitely, but I'd recommend the destructive f3 probe test to check the actual capacity of the disk |
| 02:50:51 | Xogium | or well, sd, that is |
| 02:50:54 | sonne | before that, just for science - can i turn the ipod off? |
| 02:51:01 | sonne | i want to replug it and see what happens |
| 02:51:22 | Xogium | yeah, I don't think it'd hurt anything |
| 02:51:30 | sonne | how do i do it? |
| 02:51:38 | sonne | rebooting works, but it worked yesterday too |
| 02:51:43 | sonne | i want to make it power on via usb |
| 02:52:02 | Xogium | unless I'm very much mistaken, that should already be the case... |
| 02:52:33 | sonne | hm? |
| 02:53:05 | Xogium | the power when you get usb in, it should boot up just fine |
| 02:53:23 | sonne | but it's already booted |
| 02:53:36 | sonne | i need to power it off so i can simulate what happened before |
| 02:53:41 | Xogium | there's no way to reboot |
| 02:54:10 | sonne | alright i have to take my kid to school :D maybe it will suspend / power off in that time |
| 02:54:18 | sonne | i'll ping you in a few minutes if you're still around |
| 02:54:29 | Xogium | you can only do a hard reset which isn't very cool unless the hardware freezes or something, or you do a shutdown then boot it up manually either by plugging in the usb cable or by pressing the button to boot it up |
| 02:54:53 | sonne | i can do a manual shutdown? how? |
| 02:55:16 | Xogium | not sure on your model, but for my 5g/video you hold down on the play button, long press |
| 02:55:29 | sonne | it worked |
| 02:55:57 | sonne | i plugged it and it's still functional |
| 02:56:06 | Xogium | pressing the select button will boot it up. That or plugging in power, both should work |
| 02:56:06 | sonne | so it wasn't cold vs warm usb plug |
| 02:56:12 | Xogium | ahh |
| 02:56:33 | Xogium | well, one thing we do know for sure |
| 02:56:48 | sonne | (brb) |
| 02:56:57 | Xogium | yup sure, I'm hanging around all day anyway :p |
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| 03:07:29 | sonne | back :D |
| 03:08:05 | sonne | Xogium: so you were saying - best thing to do now would be to run f3 |
| 03:08:44 | sonne | i don't have an sd reader in my laptop but i can use an usb adapter - would that be significantly different from using the ipod itself as the usb-sd interface? |
| 03:09:01 | Xogium | well, considering that the data does not get scrambled at all on power up/off, I'd imagine it has the potential of getting scrambled when actually writing on it |
| 03:09:38 | sonne | sound reasoning |
| 03:10:09 | sonne | oh well, i'll have to open this thing anyway if i'm replacing the sd, might as well do it now |
| 03:10:09 | Xogium | you could try with the ipod's usb mass storage, but since f3 probe would override the whole OS, I'm not sure it would like it |
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| 03:12:17 | Xogium | not to mention that since your ipod is very slow in itself it would bottleneck the test... If you have usb 3 and the card reader is also usb 3, then testing the whole of the card is going to be a lot faster without the ipod in the way |
| 03:12:48 | sonne | sold. attempting to reopen the thing.. |
| 03:13:49 | Xogium | the best we can hope for and mind you I'm definitely hoping for it, is that probe test will tell you something along the lines of, good news, this is the real deal |
| 03:14:10 | sonne | is that really the best? |
| 03:14:21 | sonne | at this point i'm hoping for the sd to be a dud so i can just buy a good one |
| 03:14:23 | Xogium | yep that would mean your card is a genuine one, not a fake |
| 03:14:41 | sonne | because if the card is good then the question stands of what the fsck is causing this erratic behaviour |
| 03:14:50 | Xogium | indeed it does |
| 03:15:14 | Xogium | but while you try this I'm going to try and come up with a few other explanation :p |
| 03:15:54 | Xogium | that said, maybe because I've had way too many experience with micro sd, fakes and legit, I tend to dislike those things, and suspect them first when things go insane |
| 03:16:09 | sonne | it's a good stance |
| 03:16:17 | Xogium | *cough* embedded system prototypes relying on micro sd going bonkers |
| 03:18:06 | Xogium | aging cards are the worst, honestly. I've had so many weird failures... One system would only accept booting up with a cold boot. A warm reboot no longer worked, for some reason. Until one day, even the cold boot stopped working. Turns out the card was dying so badly that the hardware couldn't read the gpt partition table sometimes, other times it would load kernel and such only to crash when trying to |
| 03:18:08 | Xogium | execute pid 1 |
| 03:20:20 | sonne | i should have never closed this thing |
| 03:20:46 | sonne | are there any aftermarket shells that can be reopened without cursing whole pantheons? |
| 03:22:08 | Xogium | I have no idea |
| 03:22:36 | Xogium | but hey think of it this way ;p at least it's less bad than modern devices −− oh wait you can't easily open these up, never mind |
| 03:22:39 | Xogium | :D |
| 03:24:51 | sonne | technology peaked in the '00s, from the '10s onwards it's been declining |
| 03:25:27 | spork | if it peaked in the 00's, it has been declining since then ? |
| 03:25:37 | spork | or did it stay stable for a decade ? |
| 03:25:57 | sonne | your guess is as good as mine |
| 03:26:26 | spork | planned obsolescence is a curse |
| 03:28:12 | Xogium | but yep so here's my current theory as to why the card might be a fake: so when you wrote it up yesterday, you actually got lucky, and the microcontroller inside of it decided to target actually existing blocks/sectors of the flash. But since those are wildly random and we have no way of figuring out what the wear leveling algo chooses to pick, the next time you attempted this, you might not have been so |
| 03:28:14 | Xogium | lucky, and part of the written data fubared the partition table, or got written actually into nothingness |
| 03:29:52 | sonne | Xogium: your theory makes sense but something doesn't feel right −− if the part table got fubared by random writes, what are the chances that it just so happens to have a valid partition scheme with a FAT32 partition that is power-of-two-gigabytes sized? |
| 03:29:56 | Xogium | that would also explain why every attempt you tried somehow delivered unpredictable results |
| 03:30:43 | Xogium | hmm. I thought the partition table had randomly sized partiton every time you attempted it ? |
| 03:31:05 | sonne | sort of. yesterday i got a 128GB partition, this morning a 16GB one |
| 03:31:14 | sonne | but in both cases they were labeled as fat32 |
| 03:31:20 | sonne | and inside there was just junk |
| 03:31:57 | Xogium | might depend on the sector size and how the mcu works, I'd reckon |
| 03:31:57 | sonne | actually an 8mb part and then a 16gb one, both fat32, in reverse order on the disk as they were on the mbr |
| 03:32:06 | Xogium | but hard to really say |
| 03:32:58 | Xogium | hard to say since we can't possibly open the sd card up and see what's going on in there |
| 03:33:05 | Xogium | but, it would be rather fun |
| 03:33:50 | sonne | i have opened the little fscker! |
| 03:34:12 | sonne | also managed to shoot the battery ribbon cable holder somewhere in space while disconnecting it, but i'll figure it out later |
| 03:34:21 | Xogium | one tip I'd honestly give anyone is to stick away from places like amazon, and buy straight from sandisk for example |
| 03:35:31 | Xogium | the way amazon stores stuff up in the bins means that even if you bought a real card, or thought you did, the person fulfilling your order may have picked one of the fakes that were also stored with the genuine cards from sandisk |
| 03:35:38 | Xogium | which is really bad, but |
| 03:36:16 | sonne | so i plugged the sd, and the data matches what i last did on the ipod. so far so good |
| 03:36:37 | Xogium | one third of all the sd cards from sandisk are fakes, fwiw |
| 03:36:39 | sonne | Xogium: is it just ./f3write /dev/sdb ? |
| 03:37:00 | Xogium | which is super impressive when you think about it. It's such a well known brand that lots o f fakes are made from it |
| 03:37:04 | sonne | Xogium: if this is bad i'll return it and buy from a physical store |
| 03:37:11 | sonne | heh :D suffering from success? |
| 03:37:20 | Xogium | haha yep |
| 03:37:28 | sonne | any args i should give to f3write? |
| 03:38:01 | Xogium | so lets see. Unmount the sd if it has been mounted at all, and try something like ./f3probe /dev/... |
| 03:38:13 | Xogium | tripple check whatever to make sure it is *really* the correct device |
| 03:38:21 | sonne | no such thing as ./f3probe |
| 03:38:26 | Xogium | it will wipe it absolutely clean and fill it with random stuff |
| 03:38:28 | sonne | i have f3read and f3write |
| 03:38:43 | Xogium | oh you might need to make extra, or was it make extras ? |
| 03:39:28 | Xogium | but yep so once you've done this, it will nuke away the whole disk so you will need to restore it again, if it's a genuine card |
| 03:40:05 | Xogium | and considering the large size it may take quite a while |
| 03:40:43 | sonne | all the more reason to get started! |
| 03:40:55 | sonne | soon as i can figure out how the dependencies are called in fedora.. |
| 03:41:46 | sonne | ok, probing |
| 03:42:13 | Xogium | the f3 read and write are there to fill a specific partition of the disk with random data then reading it back and seeing if it matches. But they target only partitions, not disks themselves |
| 03:42:25 | sonne | ah |
| 03:42:37 | sonne | wonder why |
| 03:42:46 | Xogium | and considering the partitions are a bit rocky to say the least, I figured best to check the disk |
| 03:42:57 | sonne | there shouldn't be any significant difference between disk and part when random data is concerned |
| 03:43:10 | sonne | i launched probe on the disk, should it have been part? |
| 03:43:20 | Xogium | well it depends, your partition might very well be okay, while another is not |
| 03:43:28 | Xogium | nah that targets the whole disk |
| 03:43:31 | sonne | ok |
| 03:43:40 | sonne | blargh |
| 03:44:03 | sonne | Xogium: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/5b3db6d4/ |
| 03:44:36 | sonne | 0.00 bytes of usable size, that can't be right |
| 03:44:55 | sonne | https://i.imgflip.com/23p05p.jpg |
| 03:46:39 | Xogium | well |
| 03:46:48 | Xogium | it's no wonder it goes crazy |
| 03:47:01 | Xogium | what if you do it again ? |
| 03:47:11 | Xogium | do you get that same result every time, or a different one ? |
| 03:47:35 | sonne | relaunching |
| 03:48:06 | sonne | this time it was super fast for some reason. from 1m47s to 20s |
| 03:48:17 | sonne | same exact output though |
| 03:48:20 | Xogium | but still 0 bytes ? |
| 03:48:24 | Xogium | hrm |
| 03:48:28 | Xogium | very interesting |
| 03:48:42 | Xogium | but I guess it's pretty much certain you've got a fake |
| 03:48:53 | sonne | let me try another sd just for fun |
| 03:49:11 | Xogium | the OS itself is confused because it doesn't probe like f3 does, it assumes whatever the controller tells it is true |
| 03:56:05 | sonne | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/37372c1a/ |
| 03:56:07 | sonne | well i'll be |
| 03:56:26 | sonne | the adapter is fine, this 128G sd is shipshape |
| 03:56:44 | sonne | so the 1tb sd is a dud and that's the explanation |
| 03:56:50 | Xogium | aye aye |
| 03:56:58 | sonne | there goes my dream of having a .flac collection on the ipod i guess |
| 03:57:11 | sonne | i have all my .flac encoded in opus, it should fit in 128G.. *sigh* |
| 03:57:28 | Xogium | how much did you actually pay for this thing ? Probably full price, too, considering you were buying straight from sandisk, or so amazon says |
| 03:57:40 | sonne | that is, if i can find my rainbow cable lock that i shot in space while opening the ipod |
| 03:57:48 | sonne | otherwise it's all moot |
| 03:57:51 | sonne | Xogium: 90E |
| 03:57:56 | Xogium | holy crap |
| 03:58:09 | sonne | oh yeah i'm returning this thing |
| 03:58:23 | sonne | that's the one good thing about amazon, they'll take anything back |
| 03:58:57 | Xogium | very curious though... Is the 128 gb a sandisk, too ? |
| 03:59:05 | sonne | nope, samsung |
| 03:59:13 | sonne | i think i got it with some old phone years and years ago |
| 03:59:32 | Xogium | ah, because then I'd have asked you, if you had a sandisk and you knew it was no fake, could you actually spot a difference |
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| 04:00:07 | Xogium | one of my friend had a very convincing sandisk fake where only the color of the logo −− I think is red ? Anyway, that one didn't match the exact shade of red sandisk used |
| 04:00:11 | sonne | even if i did i don't have 1tb sds so it wouldn't be a fair comparison |
| 04:00:20 | sonne | aesthetics may change between models and all that |
| 04:00:32 | Xogium | yeah there's that |
| 04:00:36 | Xogium | but still |
| 04:00:54 | Xogium | I'd seriously consider telling amazon that what you received is a fake and ask for a refund |
| 04:01:23 | sonne | 100% what i'll do |
| 04:02:34 | sonne | but first i need to figure out that little connector thing... |
| 04:02:49 | sonne | you know the battery ribbon cable? you have this "plug" with a little plastic thing you have to lift |
| 04:03:15 | Xogium | yeah |
| 04:03:18 | sonne | i was pulling it too hard, it got shot somewhere in my room and i can't find it anymore |
| 04:03:24 | sonne | do you think i could print a replacement? |
| 04:03:35 | Xogium | hmm. Possibly ? |
| 04:03:56 | sonne | i'd need another one to take the measurements though |
| 04:04:04 | Xogium | yeah, hrm |
| 04:04:14 | Xogium | maybe ifixit sells something ? Random idea |
| 04:04:32 | sonne | i'll check around |
| 04:04:39 | sonne | for the moment, thanks for everything :) |
| 04:04:45 | Xogium | no problem ! |
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| 04:07:02 | sonne | found the little fucker :D |
| 04:08:29 | Xogium | ha ha ! |
| 04:08:55 | sonne | so - theoretically i don't need usb at all do i? i can just format the sd, unzip rockbox and load the music before even installing the sd on the ipod |
| 04:09:32 | user890104 | sonne: there is a special mode to install the rockbox bootloader while wiping apple's bootloader - this will prevent having their software accidentally repartition the drive |
| 04:09:34 | Xogium | hmm no you need to restore the ipod via itunes, then you can install rockbox |
| 04:09:42 | sonne | user890104: is that so? |
| 04:09:53 | user890104 | yes, let me see what's the option |
| 04:10:10 | Xogium | huh. How curious. I've never ever had the stock OS repartitioning/wiping the drive |
| 04:10:35 | user890104 | https://git.rockbox.org/cgit/rockbox.git/tree/utils/mks5lboot/README#n56 |
| 04:10:36 | sonne | Xogium: that's fair, i meant at the stage i'm in |
| 04:10:59 | sonne | user890104: that's cool. any downsides you can think of? |
| 04:11:20 | Xogium | user890104: either way, poor them, they got a fake from sandisk. Thanks once again goes to amazon and their bad way of storing things |
| 04:11:55 | user890104 | you can always get it into DFU and either revert it to the regular installation, or uninstall it (you'll need iTunes or another tool to uninstall the bootloader) |
| 04:12:05 | sonne | user890104: also is it knowledge you already had, that some part of the stock fw randomly repartitions stuff? |
| 04:12:38 | user890104 | No, I'm just guessing based on your experience |
| 04:12:57 | sonne | ah gotcha |
| 04:13:31 | user890104 | the stock firmware cannot address past LBA28, so that's 28 bits of sector size = 134217728 = 128GB |
| 04:14:04 | sonne | yep that's why i figured it was the stock fw doing the repartition, as the first time it happened i had a 128G part |
| 04:14:08 | user890104 | so it could have some failsafe to "fix" the partition table |
| 04:14:26 | sonne | but then this morning i got a 8M+16G combo so who the heck knows |
| 04:14:45 | user890104 | I have two ipod6gs, but they are using the original storage, so I haven't tested yet |
| 04:15:37 | user890104 | one of them is disassembled, so it's a good candidate for flash modding tests |
| 04:16:12 | Xogium | that being said f3 did show that this card was pretty much a fake, and since we wiped the whole disk |
| 04:16:36 | sonne | yep, i don't suppose i'll get any more random repartitions once i get a proper sd in |
| 04:16:56 | sonne | i'll visit a store and buy it there, then f3probe it before i do anything else |
| 04:18:16 | Xogium | hopefully |
| 04:18:35 | Xogium | getting it from a store is a good plan |
| 04:19:04 | Xogium | if you want to get it from internet the best I can honestly say is get whatever from the manufacturer itself if at all possible, not via a third party like amazon |
| 04:21:36 | sonne | i go for amazon because of speed/laziness and returns. ordering from the mothership usually takes a lot longer so might as well drive to the store |
| 04:21:46 | Xogium | yeah |
| 04:21:56 | Xogium | I can understand that |
| 04:22:05 | sonne | need to see what they charge for 1tb though, 90E was more or less my budget |
| 04:22:15 | Xogium | but the issue is there's really no way to tell if the next time you try you'll get a fake, or the real thing |
| 04:22:35 | sonne | yeah but i can do a return to the store as well |
| 04:22:40 | sonne | blessed EU |
| 04:22:50 | Xogium | sure, I meant if you had tried amazon |
| 04:22:55 | sonne | ah yep |
| 04:23:07 | sonne | no, lesson learned, i'll never buy an sd from amzn again |
| 04:23:12 | Xogium | amazon is a bit like playing russian roulette |
| 04:23:54 | Xogium | I generally don't buy any kind of storage like this from amazon, even usb flashdrive |
| 04:24:13 | sonne | wise |
| 04:25:06 | Xogium | then there's also outright fakes that they sell without even having the decency of checking if it is a fake. You know, the sort of adverts for a 3 tb ssd disk that is barely costing 30 euros ? |
| 04:26:10 | sonne | yeah, those are the ones where i'm tempted to blame the buyer |
| 04:26:27 | sonne | i mean −− you can't believe that's real can you |
| 04:27:00 | Xogium | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhLlvNlI20 if you have some time to watch and are bored :p |
| 04:27:00 | sonne | but eh |
| 04:27:17 | sonne | i knew what video that was before clicking.. :D |
| 04:27:18 | Xogium | well the buyers don't know any better and those scamers know it |
| 04:31:05 | Xogium | that video is rather amusing |
| 04:31:35 | Xogium | even when you can't actually see because you were born with broken eyes −− seriously, body, you could have done better on that front |
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| 04:37:04 | sonne | yep i enjoyed that video as well |
| 04:37:14 | sonne | LTT does put out some real gems here and there |
| 04:40:04 | Xogium | yep |
| 04:40:38 | Xogium | I do like the videos where they examine fakes, of whatever really. Sometimes audioo gear, sometimes drives and so on, real interesting |
| 04:40:45 | Xogium | *audio gear |
| 04:41:04 | sonne | the "power anything via usb-c" one was super inspiring :D |
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| 04:41:31 | sonne | oh, that reminds me - do you know of any way to charge the ipod that isn't attaching it to a computer? it seems impervious to all of my attempts to attach it to a wall charger |
| 04:43:54 | Xogium | oh huh |
| 04:44:29 | Xogium | no, that should also work... Hmm. Or maybe you do need to put rockbox in charge only mode in the system settings for this to work ? I've not tried |
| 04:44:41 | Xogium | I always charge it at the computer :D |
| 04:44:42 | sonne | haven't tried with rockbox yet tbh |
| 04:44:54 | sonne | didn't think it would be an OS thing |
| 04:45:00 | Xogium | it shouldn't be |
| 04:45:12 | Xogium | afaik the charging is completely offloaded to hardware |
| 04:45:15 | Xogium | but |
| 04:45:39 | Xogium | maybe it is getting confused and trying to create the usb mass storage ? I'm not sure on that one |
| 04:45:56 | sonne | weren't wall usb chargers a thing when ipod came out? that is possible |
| 04:46:04 | Xogium | sure they were |
| 04:46:09 | Xogium | I've still got mine |
| 04:46:32 | sonne | maybe the charger i have tries to deliver much more power than ipod expects, and it can't speak usb-PD so it goes "NOPE"? |
| 04:46:57 | Xogium | that's actually a good possibility |
| 04:47:15 | sonne | not that big of a deal - now that i know that powering via usb isn't killing my partitions - but still interesting |
| 04:47:45 | Xogium | if your charger expects anything plugged into it to talk usb power delivery and the ipod does not, it may be giving way too little current to be of use |
| 04:47:53 | Xogium | because it expect negotation |
| 04:47:59 | sonne | that's also possible |
| 04:48:22 | Xogium | if you've got a dummy charger to try with, I'd recommend that |
| 04:49:33 | sonne | once i close it again i'll try |
| 04:49:55 | sonne | but i won't do that until i have my new sd and i have ultimate proof that it works :P |
| 04:50:50 | Xogium | indeed |
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| 06:54:23 | sonne | my new sd is 100% usable \o/ |
| 06:54:38 | sonne | party time! |
| 06:54:42 | Xogium | woohoo ! |
| 06:54:51 | Xogium | no random stuff going on ? |
| 06:54:52 | sonne | only 512G but hey |
| 06:54:58 | sonne | oh i don't know, i only launched f3probe |
| 06:55:04 | Xogium | ah, okay |
| 06:55:04 | sonne | now i'm going to format and install rockbox |
| 06:56:46 | Xogium | but having a good card certainly puts you on the right track :D |
| 06:57:11 | Xogium | track... Hah. I didn't even realize the unintentional pun I just made |
| 06:57:33 | sonne | :3 |
| 06:58:17 | sonne | i'm using rbutil on the sdcard itself, should work no? |
| 06:58:34 | sonne | as long as i select the right ipod model.. i'm not installing the bootloader anyway |
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| 07:01:34 | Xogium | hmm. I have honestly not a clue |
| 07:02:01 | Xogium | I was told that for the ipod video at least I have to restore the device via itunes and then I can install rockbox |
| 07:03:01 | Xogium | which implies that restoring will of course install the original firmware |
| 07:03:21 | sonne | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 07:03:24 | sonne | we're about to find out |
| 07:03:49 | Xogium | yup |
| 07:03:59 | sonne | in only a few hours, i'm installing all themes |
| 07:04:12 | Xogium | hehe |
| 07:13:55 | JackFrost | Urgh, RockBox still doesn't do opus in webm containers? :/ |
| 07:22:31 | Xogium | you know, I have not tried |
| 07:40:42 | JackFrost | Just upgraded successfully from .14 and it's not showing the files. Jumped to a dev version, no joy. |
| 07:57:03 | _bilgus_ | sonne, amazon prettty much == FAKE |
| 07:57:18 | _bilgus_ | sold and shipped by is BS |
| 07:57:54 | _bilgus_ | they took that guys good product sold them for pennies and are sending out some scammers stock that is fake |
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| 07:58:23 | _bilgus_ | (likely) |
| 07:59:38 | Xogium | yep |
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| 08:00:15 | _bilgus_ | JackFrost, it sounds like this something maybe you care about enough to do some work towards it Finally supporting it? |
| 08:00:43 | _bilgus_ | Otherwise it'll probably Never |
| 08:00:55 | sonne | _bilgus_: found out the hard way |
| 08:01:25 | _bilgus_ | sonne, we've ben having A lot thee last few months |
| 08:01:51 | _bilgus_ | I'd have sworn it was us till they did f3 |
| 08:02:15 | JackFrost | Hmm. Seems like webm and opus would make sense to support, but oh well. |
| 08:02:20 | sonne | i knew there were scammers like the LTT ones selling 32Petabyte flashes for 10 euro, but i thought a reasonably priced flash sold by amzn themselves would have been ok |
| 08:02:23 | _bilgus_ | so now there a forum sticks 'Does your flash drive have Alzheimer's?" |
| 08:02:52 | _bilgus_ | JackFrost, sure it makes sense to support but whos doing the work? |
| 08:02:57 | sonne | now i know better, i won't buy anything on amazon that i wouldn't buy from aliexpress |
| 08:05:52 | _bilgus_ | sonne, if this is a fake can you give me a pastebin of the output for my forum post? |
| 08:06:20 | sonne | i sent it before |
| 08:06:35 | sonne | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/5b3db6d4/ |
| 08:06:39 | _bilgus_ | nice |
| 08:07:16 | _bilgus_ | hmm is damaged is a new one |
| 08:07:25 | sonne | that one was brand new |
| 08:07:31 | _bilgus_ | oh |
| 08:07:44 | sonne | "1TB" flash |
| 08:07:50 | sonne | quote unquote |
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| 08:08:24 | _bilgus_ | https://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,55193.0.html |
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| 08:08:58 | _bilgus_ | the first is windows the second linux but if its new yeah its gotta be fake |
| 08:09:27 | sonne | 100% |
| 08:10:13 | Xogium | is the 512 a sandisk, btw ? |
| 08:10:31 | _bilgus_ | probably they did that because it hides the FAKE FLASH message |
| 08:10:49 | _bilgus_ | scammy little shits |
| 08:10:58 | Xogium | that or it's just the controller going nut and being confused |
| 08:11:11 | _bilgus_ | but its NEW |
| 08:11:18 | sonne | honestly i can't believe it's that bad on amazon. those flashes are full of great reviews, sometimes tens of thousands, and yet fakespot shows "F" on most of them - except the sandisk that had a "D". that's one of the reasons i went for it, i thought fakespot's bar got screwed somehow so i went for the least worst |
| 08:11:23 | _bilgus_ | how many new controllers go 'Nuts" |
| 08:11:47 | _bilgus_ | Dude they are gaming that stuff crazy |
| 08:11:48 | sonne | but given my experience, i figure reality is much more grim −− there are tens of thousands of AI slop reviews |
| 08:11:52 | Xogium | so here in sonne's case ther brand new 1 tb was fake, the older 128 gb was no fake and showed up good in f3, and the new 512 gb they bought earlier today straight from a physical store is also no fake |
| 08:12:02 | sonne | Xogium: new one is samsung |
| 08:12:07 | _bilgus_ | have 50 phones and one person touching them all day |
| 08:12:22 | Xogium | _bilgus_: I mean, controller going nut, because its firmware's been messed with by the scammers |
| 08:13:06 | _bilgus_ | yeah maybe just screwed it up but I figure its purposeful |
| 08:13:15 | Xogium | can also be |
| 08:13:40 | Xogium | in that case running f3fix would have been bad :D a disk with 0 bytes of available storage |
| 08:13:43 | _bilgus_ | I have yet to see one from a store fail but I figure its just a numbers game |
| 08:13:57 | _bilgus_ | well be fake have had some fail later |
| 08:14:20 | Xogium | yeah it's unlikely. More unlikely than over the internet for sure |
| 08:14:37 | Xogium | I either get straight from a store or from the manufacturer's website |
| 08:16:23 | sonne | rockbox boots from the new sd |
| 08:16:25 | sonne | victory |
| 08:17:04 | Xogium | yay |
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| 08:56:24 | _bilgus_ | sonne, did F3 pass or fix it then? |
| 08:56:42 | _bilgus_ | sonne, or did you just not fill it so full? |
| 08:57:23 | sonne | _bilgus_: i did a f3probe on the new one as soon as i unpacked it, showed all good so i didn't take it further |
| 08:57:34 | sonne | i installed rockbox on it, plugged in the ipod, it boots |
| 08:57:38 | sonne | so far no monkey business detected |
| 08:57:50 | sonne | now i'm loading a few gigabytes of music on it |
| 08:58:04 | sonne | should be about 54gb |
| 08:59:18 | sonne | i'll see how it behaves, though from a tech-store bought samsung i'm not expecting surprises |
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| 09:05:14 | _bilgus_ | ah ok |
| 09:11:36 | speachy | user890104: got a favor to ask −− when you can, can you do a dump of the MBR of the HDD ipod6gs you have? |
| 09:12:14 | speachy | sonne: I know sandisk has a lookup tool to help identify fakes. you might try that for closure |
| 09:12:32 | speachy | user890104: we have dumps for the PP-based units but not the 6g. |
| 09:12:58 | speachy | ideally one per shipped storage size. |
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| 09:21:40 | user890104 | speachy: Both my iPods are 120 GB 6.5G |
| 09:22:09 | user890104 | so we need people with 80 and 160 gb, so the dumps are complete |
| 09:22:25 | speachy | can you dump the first sector please? I'll add it to the pile. |
| 09:22:46 | user890104 | yes |
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| 10:25:57 | user890104 | speachy: of course, MBR can only be restored by Rockbox or Rockbox bootloader's USB mode, as Apple's firmware and disk mode hides the other partition |
| 10:26:38 | speachy | ugh, that complicates things. |
| 10:27:29 | speachy | hmm, I thought the firmware was in flash for the 6g+ |
| 10:27:34 | speachy | or is that just a bootloader? |
| 10:28:11 | user890104 | it's just the bootloader, the firmware is at the beginning, but the partition is the second one |
| 10:28:38 | user890104 | http://pastie.org/p/55fyKRo9DvcflnZBHhNUA6/raw |
| 10:28:48 | user890104 | that's from rockbox/rockbox bootloader |
| 10:29:16 | user890104 | http://pastie.org/p/5rLqutLP4DTn6ifU9uzO7V/raw |
| 10:29:30 | user890104 | that's the fake MBR from apple's firmware and apple's disk mode |
| 10:31:15 | user890104 | ipodnano2g does the same, but I think the firmware partition is the first one, both in MBR and in the sectors |
| 10:32:04 | user890104 | rockbox bootloader actually modifies it, because it's easier to restore it back. emCORE used to flash itself to the NOR flash, moving and replacing the bootloader there |
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| 10:33:02 | user890104 | on ipod6g it could be possible to craft a firmware image that's signed by the device itself (AES-128) and install it on the HDD, but I don't think anyone has tried it |
| 10:33:17 | user890104 | so this is why the bootloader is in the NOR flash on these |
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| 10:53:53 | user890104 | speachy: I think one of the iPods is reformatted using ipodscsi.exe, and I'm not sure which has the stock partition table |
| 10:54:08 | user890104 | http://pastie.org/p/4Art2Eb9ENoJNY9I90mgio/raw |
| 10:54:37 | speachy | the intent is to allow out-of-ipod restoration of the partition table, in lieu of itunes |
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| 11:05:34 | user890104 | I see, here are the dumps: https://files.freemyipod.org/misc/ipod6g-MBR.tar.gz |
| 11:06:46 | user890104 | you'll still need iTunes to install the original firmware on the second partition, but rockbox will happily boot without it |
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| 11:29:13 | speachy | ah, so the system firmware partition is at the _end_ of the disk |
| 11:29:42 | speachy | oh nevermind. wtf is up with not ordering things.. |
| 11:41:52 | user890104 | :) |
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| 12:19:57 | sonne | so the good news is that my ipod works now.. OTOH i completely deformed the metal shell in order to open it twice and now it looks like crap. is anyone aware of alternative cases, possibly with less diabolic locking mechanisms? |
| 12:20:48 | sonne | i know you can get some replacements off aliexpress but they are supposed to be compatible, which given how sadistic the design is, it sounds like more of a bug than a feature |
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| 12:43:05 | speachy | was going to suggest ebay. you can buy pretty much any part of these ipods. |
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| 13:07:55 | user890104 | or rip off the clips, and 3D-print a sleeve/case |
| 13:08:51 | user890104 | https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1396389 |
| 13:10:05 | sonne | that's my cup of tea |
| 13:10:08 | sonne | thanks user890104 :D |
| 13:12:25 | user890104 | https://i.imgur.com/Fuc47uo.jpeg |
| 13:12:50 | user890104 | that's my "development" ipod |
| 13:13:33 | user890104 | easy to open, easy to close |
| 13:36:15 | sonne | user890104: the cap looks like a support mayhem |
| 13:37:21 | sonne | did you manage to print it decently? |
| 13:37:35 | user890104 | I printed it upside down, but quickly broke the retaining piece |
| 13:38:25 | sonne | slicer / printer / filament ? |
| 13:39:51 | user890104 | ah, that was a long time ago, Anet A8 with Fillamentum white, Repetier-Host with CuraEngine |
| 13:40:09 | sonne | ack |
| 13:40:17 | user890104 | 0.3 layer with 0.4 nozzle IIRC |
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| 14:44:57 | hactar|ant | i've wanted to print a back cover for it but i don't know how feasible that is |
| 14:51:51 | CH23 | probably not very ESD safe |
| 14:52:05 | CH23 | apart from that? with PETG totally doable |
| 14:52:15 | speachy | unless the device itself is grounded it's not likely to really matter. |
| 14:57:08 | user890104 | plus it will allow bluetooth mods, as the original metal plate blocks any radio waves really well |
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| 15:18:12 | sonne | CH23: ESD safe? |
| 15:18:45 | CH23 | plastic box around electronics, moving in a pocket |
| 15:20:46 | sonne | ah i see what you mean |
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