--- Log for 17.07.102 Server: brunner.openprojects.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 11 hours and 57 minutes ago 01.30.01 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 01.32.17 # Hi, Zagor 01.32.43 # How's the harddrive? 01.32.46 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 01.33.35 # i've just spent a good chunk of my evening installing debian on a new 120-giger 01.34.34 # i've been trying to find a stack overflow that keeps me from playing anything on my ajbr20 01.34.43 # the old one is toast. sometimes it doesn't even tell the BIOS that it's alive 01.34.54 # really? what happens? 01.35.14 # it just prints "Stkov" and doesn't respond 01.35.27 # it looks like Linus' code that he put in last night 01.35.38 # ah. what changes have you made? 01.36.10 # all i can tell is it's getting to a thread that doesn't exist 01.36.42 # i changed thread.c to print out the thread number, since it didn't give me a name 01.36.56 # and it printed out 6, when there are only 5 01.38.04 # strange 01.47.12 # yours is working fine? 01.47.36 # yup 01.48.01 # any suggestions on what to look for? 01.48.30 # big variables, or recursive calls 01.48.36 # local variables, that is 01.51.15 # do you have an ajbr20? 01.51.45 # yes 01.52.06 # can you send me your ajz file? 01.52.20 # sure, hang on 01.57.10 # yours seems to be working 01.57.19 # spoke too soon 01.58.26 # it plays music fine, but now it says 01.58.26 # I09:CPUAdrEr 01.58.26 # at 09009438 01.58.41 # and then stopped playing after a minute 01.59.03 # hmm 01.59.09 # and the red light blinks on and off 02.02.39 # i'll be looking at that soon. right now i'm rebuilding my environment 02.03.08 # ok, i'm going to try to find a build that works for me 02.20.05 # Well, now it's working great. 02.20.16 # I got rid of all of my changes... 02.20.39 # which were only to display additional info and to enable proportional fonts 02.20.50 # Odd 02.22.39 # yes 02.23.39 # Do you have proportional fonts enabled? 02.23.54 # yes 02.24.54 # I guess I'll just call it a fluke and try to forget the past few hours. 02.50.24 Nick mecraw is now known as mecraw|away (~mecraw@63.172.39.2) 02.50.25 Quit Zagor (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.51.37 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 03.32.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.10.45 Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") 04.14.09 Quit elinenbe2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.25.24 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) 04.33.35 Quit adi|home (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.36.30 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.32.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.26.26 Join aakil [0] (~anon007@adsl-63-195-51-251.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 07.16.43 Join adiamas [0] (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-152.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 07.17.45 Nick adiamas is now known as adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-152.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 07.18.27 Part aakil 07.24.47 Join anon [0] (~anon@adsl-63-195-51-251.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 07.32.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.44.52 Quit adi|home (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.45.54 Join adi|home [0] (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-118.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 08.34.53 # morning 09.32.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.32.04 Quit PsycoXul (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.39.32 Join PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-40-178.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 10.52.48 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 10.55.47 Join wavey [0] (~wavey@195.157.162.167) 10.56.02 # guys, i'm so impressed! 10.56.12 # temendous work 10.56.25 # hey, wavey. long time no see! 10.56.47 # i've been without net access for ages at work :/ 10.57.00 # ugh, that's painful 10.57.07 # and i just tried rockbox 1.1 on my recorder 10.57.13 # fan-fucking-tastic 10.57.44 # oh, just the 1.1? you should try the daily builds, they have progressed a lot since 1.1. 10.57.51 # superb :) 11.05.29 Quit anon ("Client Exiting") 11.19.44 Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") 11.32.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.47.52 Join notch [0] (hidden-use@arthur.techprt.co.uk) 11.48.10 Quit notch (Client Quit) 11.57.17 Quit wavey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.59.24 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 11.59.42 # åäöåöäöåöäöåöäöåöwtf? still no local chars :( 12.40.25 # ah, works again 12.40.34 # * Zagor has a spankin' new Debian box now 12.50.43 Join notch [0] (hidden-use@arthur.techprt.co.uk) 12.51.28 # just installed the latest daily build on my recorder6 12.51.56 # works well but the skip function isnt working properly 12.52.04 # we have no skip :) 12.52.08 # only next/prev track 12.52.17 # thought that might be the case... 12.52.17 # thats what skip is 12.52.26 # and that one sometimes hops a track too many 12.52.38 # PsycoXul: oh, I though skip meant search. never mind. 12.52.47 # Zagor: you're thinking of seek 12.52.48 # heh 12.52.54 # right 12.53.41 # so did you commit the fix for undisplayed .blah? 12.54.12 # yup, it's fixed 12.54.25 # notch: what it the problem you're seeing? 12.54.26 # did that get in before today's daily? 12.54.30 # PsycoXul: yes 12.56.53 # ok and that would report version as CVS-020717? 12.57.04 # yeah, I hope so :) 12.57.15 # nice faster bootup time btw 12.57.34 # yeah, for some reason the harddisk always spun down when using the old method 12.58.09 # but my .dirs still don't show up 12.58.10 # :/ 12.58.14 # no? 12.58.22 # nope 12.58.23 # strange. ok, i need to look at that more then 13.03.28 # oh yeah and is the backlight supposed to work? 13.03.41 # yup. doesn't it? 13.03.45 # on a studio20? 13.03.53 # ah, dunno about that 13.05.53 # btw i get clipping with the default sound settings.. in fact i have to turn the trebble way past the bass not to get clipping 13.06.40 # ok. i think maybe they are more tested on recorder than studio 13.06.58 # well a few dB past the bass, or more depending on the song 13.07.26 # Zagor: When holding >> down theres' no search, and the unit takes ages to recover - HDD stays on for a long time 13.07.27 # yeah whats up with that? i thought players were the primary target :p 13.07.45 # notch: yeah there's no search/seek 13.07.54 # notch: just skip 13.08.38 # Cool, just replying to Zagors's question a while ago... 13.09.09 # heh 13.10.17 # notch: yes, holding it down gives a repeat for "next" so it will skip a great number of songs forward. not to be recommended :-) 13.10.28 # hehe 13.11.01 # the "next" handling is not very graceful either, so yes it's probably quite painful :) 13.11.06 # yep 13.16.36 Nick notch is now known as notch|lunch (hidden-use@arthur.techprt.co.uk) 13.17.06 Quit notch|lunch () 13.32.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.43.21 # oh, crap. now I'm in that cursor pointer mode again 13.48.33 # oof, now I need some heavy duty linux kernel guys 13.49.20 # problems? 13.49.36 # i'll help if you remember how to get out of the mouse-mode in xfree86 :) 13.49.52 # oh, shift-numlock :) 13.49.57 # ..or something ;) 13.50.22 # heh, yeah that was it. damn, do I need to help you now? ;) 13.50.51 # well not, unless you know how on earth is the 2.4.18 kernel limiting ARP replies to one per second 13.51.10 # I've read the kernel source already - so if you are past that, then I want help :) 13.51.44 # whoa, nope sorry. try #kernelnewbies, lots of good people in there (despite the name) 13.52.06 # oooh thanks! 13.58.35 # the mersenne code segfaults on me... 13.59.22 # ouchie - yeah, wanted to mention that I hadn't had time to take a peek at it 13.59.35 # I hope unsigned ints are 32-bit on that machine? 13.59.45 # yup 13.59.52 # hmm, well have to see about that 14.00.02 # it even crashes in the simulator. i don't see what's wrong. 14.00.11 # hm 14.05.02 # hmmh, works fine when I make an external program to check it 14.05.06 # and works fine with valgrind 14.05.16 # so I'd have to see the actual code - but a bit busy right now 14.05.18 # good idea, i'll try it separately 14.05.50 # valgrind is wonderful for memory errors 14.24.10 Join jedix [0] (~liam@199.212.21.22) 14.24.50 # yep, it works just fine standalone for me too 14.25.41 # * Zagor is puzzled 14.34.13 # zagor.. any chance of getting documentation of some kind as to what the info is displayd on the debug screen? 14.34.30 # and i go inactive for a week or so and you get a whole bunch of shit going dont ya ;) 14.34.34 # heh, it's self explanatory! ;) 14.34.36 # usb mode... 14.34.41 # heheh to you maybe.. 14.34.46 # but like battery.. 14.34.52 # is that current usage. 14.34.56 # or life expectancy 14.35.44 # it's the current voltage level. it seems to decrease fairly linearly. 14.35.57 # 0% is the shutoff level where things start not working 14.36.27 # it's the same value that is used to draw the battery indicator line in wps 14.36.46 # i haven't looked to much at the wps... 14.36.49 # gotta play with that. 14.37.10 # was getting usb working to tough? 14.37.51 # not really, we just had to make sure all the threads are aware of it so they don't start reading the disk 14.38.01 # nod 14.38.16 # okay.. this battery indicator line.. 14.38.25 # is that expect life of battery? 14.38.33 # no, it's just the voltage level 14.38.37 # or just the pull of juice _from_ the battery 14.38.38 # k... 14.38.58 # have we given much thought about how to figure out battery life? 14.39.03 # even if we can't recharge.. 14.39.11 # knowing when its going down would be useful. 14.39.11 # yes, a lot... it's not easy. 14.40.01 # i was afraid you were going to say that... 14.40.06 # basically, all devices make up battery life "from the hip". there is no scientific way to calculate it to any higer degree of certainty 14.40.27 # damn.. cause until we get the power plug recognized... rockbox isn't usable for me... damn shoddy battery contacts 14.40.38 # got ya... 14.40.50 # i charge it at night, the run it almost the whole day 14.41.10 # but charging is coming soon. it's written already, we just want to make sure we don't fry anything when we enable it... 14.41.36 # so we would have to do something along the lines running the battery dry... charging it full.. then starting the counter... 14.41.52 # then use the voltage drawn to "subtract" life time... 14.42.19 # and when we are plugged in.. add 'life time' for how ever long we are plugged in * voltage pulled from being plugged in? 14.42.54 # something like that. but then we don't know how much the charger actually charges, so it would never work anyway 14.43.17 # why don't we know how much the charge charges? 14.43.23 # we don't have a way of figuring that out? 14.43.23 # this voltage level seems to be a fairly good indication anyway 14.43.37 # no, we just know if it's connected. not voltage or current 14.43.41 # ie: less voltage, the shorter the life? 14.43.46 # yes 14.44.04 # well.. maybe we can use that... 14.44.07 # do a polling... 14.44.17 # balance for spikes and troughs... 14.44.36 # there are other problems too. no two brands of batteries work the same. 14.44.56 # charge current, peak voltage, dropoff curves etc. all different. 14.44.58 # so the voltage is then _not_ an idicator? 14.45.15 # it's an indicator. it's not to be trusted with your life :) 14.45.34 # i mean.. i would assuem anyways that is not a constant draw, menaing.. as the disk spins up, you pull more voltage.. no? 14.46.34 # more current, yes 14.46.49 # stupid physics :) 14.46.50 # which gives a voltage drop. you can see that on the battery line 14.46.57 # *nods* 14.47.10 # i wonder htf they do it on the archos 14.47.43 # to top it off, the charger units work very differently on player-old, player and recorder... 14.47.57 # figures... 14.48.01 # ehhehe on that note... 14.48.08 # im getting a few hours shut eye... 14.48.16 # be back soon.. thanks for the info... 14.48.26 # ill brain storm.. see if i can annoy you more later 14.48.52 # hehe, do so. night! 14.52.04 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) 14.52.11 # morning all 14.52.29 # hi 14.56.35 # Zagor: you should make the directory sort an option. 14.56.42 # really? 14.56.55 # without sort, it's just chaos 14.56.55 # I quite liked having the directories in their alphabetic order 14.57.06 # oh, you mean which type of sort 14.57.26 # leave the case insensitive there, but make the directories at the top an option. 14.58.44 # i was thinking about having playlists at the top too... yup, time for a new option 15.00.21 # that would be great 15.00.48 # option: sort folders / sort playlists and folders / sort nothing 15.17.05 # apple keynote is on... 15.24.44 Join yro [0] (~yves@ns1.alcove-solutions.com) 15.32.59 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 15.51.03 # found it. the mersenne random returns negative values. that breaks everything... 15.57.40 # found what? 15.57.56 # the reason why the new random code didn't work 16.19.09 # but there's more trouble. stack smashing... 16.45.09 Join Brzi [0] (dsf@212.91.106.63) 16.51.06 # gotta go. see you 16.51.07 Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") 17.13.44 Nick mecraw|away is now known as mecraw (~mecraw@63.172.39.2) 17.18.03 Quit yro ("ircII EPIC4-1.1.5 -- Are we there yet?") 17.33.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.37.02 Quit Brzi (Connection timed out) 18.04.24 Join Linus [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 18.04.46 # yo! 18.05.04 # Hi 18.05.09 # any news? 18.05.30 # Besides the new 20GB iPod? 18.05.37 # :-) 18.05.38 # :) 18.06.01 # mecraw: I saw on the mailing list that my stack overflow code paid off instantly 18.06.27 # i actually had a problem with it yesterday... 18.06.36 # but i think i just had a faulty build 18.06.48 # problem? 18.07.02 # It would just say "Stkov" and stop working... no thread name or nothing 18.07.25 # badness 18.07.27 # i modified it to print out the thread number and it said thread_num was 6 18.07.42 # even though 5 is the max right now 18.07.50 # really strange 18.08.13 # very, but then just cleaned out all changed, make clean, then make, and all works great now 18.08.19 # oh. ok 18.10.07 # i missed the discussion on the fat32 probs 18.10.15 # what was the actual problem? 18.10.33 # did Xp create some strange backup directoriies or something? 18.10.47 # the munged directories were hidden system folders for windows 18.11.38 # ah 18.11.42 # why didn't a thread name print out next to Stkov for the guy with the memset email? 18.11.53 # good question 18.13.19 # maybe i forgot to set the name for the main thread? 18.13.42 # no, it's set 18.13.54 # names are set for threads 0-5 18.14.06 # somehow it gets past 5 18.14.21 # that's what had me scratching my head yesterday 18.14.26 # in your case, yes. But was that his problem? 18.15.13 # i don't know, probably though, since there was no name 18.17.58 # the 20GB iPod is $500 US and will take 5-7 weeks to ship... Rockbox will be kicking its ass by the time it arrives 18.19.49 # hehe 18.19.50 # i 18.20.01 # i'll have a look at the stack overflow problem 18.20.15 # i just have to reboot into Linux and resync my CVS 18.20.20 # Do you think the charging code will be ready by next week? I have an 18 hour road trip coming up. 18.20.21 # maybe later tonight 18.20.40 # ok. I'll try to do that 18.20.47 # no pressure :) 18.21.04 # but you can always recharge it when it is shut off... 18.21.11 # true 18.21.12 # LINUS!!! Hello! 18.21.27 # gotta go, see ya 18.21.36 Nick mecraw is now known as mecraw|meeting (~mecraw@63.172.39.2) 18.22.58 # Hi elinenbe! 18.24.19 # I'm on a laptop modem link from a small island outside the swedish coast. 18.27.38 # and now i have to hang up 18.27.40 # cu later 18.27.55 Part Linus 19.33.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.45.20 Join Linus [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 19.51.00 # Linus is back! 19.51.13 # You should enjoy the island 19.51.24 # i am 19.52.25 # i just can't keep my hands off the rockbox 19.52.30 # that is great 19.53.12 # any progress? 19.53.52 # my current build has major file system problems... 20.00.17 # make clean solved the problem 20.01.32 # gotta go. bye 20.01.46 Part Linus 20.07.14 Quit elinenbe ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 20.07.25 # Good evening. 20.09.30 Join Lovechild [0] (~david@pc193015.stofanet.dk) 20.09.32 Join Chomsky [0] (~fdfvf@0x3ef37e47.boanxx10.adsl.tele.dk) 20.16.40 Join Evil_Mind [0] (~fuck@212.199.38.245) 20.16.44 DBUG Enqueued KICK Evil_Mind 20.16.44 # 4,1 I m Using 8C9o8P9y 8S9c8R9i8P9~|~ 15M14a15D14e 15B14y 15f14o15w14l15e14r8-14s15t14a15r 0,1u can get the script in 11http://8users.surfree.net.il/4talred 20.17.07 # any1 here? 20.17.17 # yup.. 20.17.48 # oh....can u tell me why the backligt is never on when i use rockbox? 20.18.36 # Well my Recorder 10 hasn't arrived yet, I'm just hanging out hoping to catch some good juice 20.18.53 # ... 20.19.03 # how much it costs you? 20.19.38 # the Recorder 10 ........ 20.19.52 # 2500 DKK ~ 340 US½$ 20.20.07 # 340$??????/ 20.20.13 # hell yes 20.20.17 # its alot of money.. 20.20.23 # yup... 20.20.27 # I needed a new toy 20.20.46 # Then I heard about Rockbox earlier today and I was sold 20.20.47 # i bought my studio 10 for 220$ 20.21.56 # well, hardware is expensive here in Denmark 20.22.43 # so ....fly to China....i bet it cost there atmost half the price.. 20.23.12 # the plane ticket kinda would level that out right? 20.24.13 # yes...but u can buy allllloooooootttt of thing in low prices and it will be worth it!.....(-: 20.24.29 # so, I hear of alot of problems with the PSU for the Jukebox - Xp any of these ? 20.24.42 # PSU=? 20.24.54 # Power supæply Unit 20.25.14 # what do you mean? 20.25.20 # i got Xp... 20.25.30 # experience 20.25.40 # hu? 20.26.10 # How hard is installation of RockBox anyways ? 20.26.19 # its not hard at all... 20.26.40 # cool... I'm looking forward to hooking it up to my Linux Boxen... 20.26.47 # u just plug in the USB cable and download the drivers for Xp from archos site 20.27.05 # oh...you have linux.. 20.27.10 # damn... it requires Windows... shit... 20.27.15 # no! 20.27.22 # 8) Linux 8) 20.27.23 # you can use it with linux... 20.27.42 # I know, but I was hoping that the firmware update would be Linux native 20.28.23 # i'm hopping for you....(-: 20.29.21 # This probably means I have to find an idio^wfriend who has Windows on his machine to update my player 20.29.38 # why? 20.30.36 # well I can't update the firmware from Linux can I.... I bet nobody was smart enough to write a program for that while they were at it :9 20.31.33 # did u joined the mailing list? 20.32.04 # i think the most "ACTION" take place there....(-: 20.34.07 # http://bjorn.haxx.se/isd200/ 20.34.32 # I'm already on the mailing list.. sign up an hour ago 20.45.51 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) 21.03.34 # updating the firmware is as easy as dumping a file in the root dir i thought, i dont see why the OS you do it on matters 21.04.42 # cool 21.05.20 # you just need to get the firmware uncompressed 21.05.47 # or get it from someone else, like me 21.06.17 # linux has zip and rar 21.06.34 # yup, I did it entirely on linux 21.06.50 # just that some package was a self-extracting one (not the firmware-update) 21.07.42 # right, but i believe you can extract self-extracting packages with the regular utilities, i may be wrong though 21.07.44 # Iø'll figure it out... but first... encoding all my albums into MP3 VBR 21.08.29 # any special reason why VBR? 21.08.37 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 21.08.37 # * geoffeg still use CBR, ive yet to like the quality that comes out of VBR for the file size 21.08.53 # I think it's better quailty 21.09.07 # while still conserving space 21.09.08 # well, on lower bitrates, VBR is nice 21.09.22 # but if you do 128kbit or 192kbit, CBR is actually often nicer 21.09.30 # is 160/192 considered low? 21.09.33 # --r3mix rocks :) 21.09.41 # --r3mix is what? 21.09.44 # to get the same quality, you'll have to get a pretty bit VBR file 21.09.54 # man lame :) 21.10.37 # I have heard a good VBR song - but the average bitrate on that was over 160kbit - and the size wasn't really that much smaller 21.11.07 # right, which is why i dont use it, CBR seems to work quite nice. I'd like to use ogg BUT :) 21.11.37 # OGG would be cool, but it seems to be hard to get the Archos box to support it 21.12.02 # yeap, 1k is a little too small to get an audio codec into 21.12.10 # well, a complex one 21.12.41 # I bet we could figure out a workaround, but it would probably be nasty 21.13.44 # wow, the --r3mix option says to see r3mix.net and r3mix.net doesnt seem to say much about what --r3mix means 21.15.47 # r3mix???? 21.16.15 # apparently --r3mix means to use a website for encoding? 21.17.17 # --r3mix is the same as --nspsytune --vbr-mtrh -V1 -mj -h -b96 --lowpass 19.5 --athtype 3 --ns-sfb21 2 -Z --scale 0.98 -X0 21.17.45 # eek! 21.17.53 # the site (www.r3mix.net) has more info on what it does 21.19.25 # can someone tell me why the backligt is never on when i use rockbox? 21.32.24 # ????????????????? 21.32.37 # * geoffeg tries the --r3mix option and compares to 160 CBR 21.32.39 # they apparently don't like you Evil_Mind :) 21.32.46 # Evil_Mind: maybe it isnt implemented 21.33.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.33.57 # Oh Swan Lee is exellent... 21.35.48 # i think so ....Lovechild... 22.23.36 Part Lovechild ("Client Exiting") 22.24.19 # Evil_Mind: which jukebox do you have? 22.24.26 Nick mecraw|meeting is now known as mecraw (~mecraw@63.172.39.2) 22.41.54 Quit Chomsky (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.45.51 Join matp [0] (~matp@pc-80-193-212-97-hw.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.52.32 Quit jedix (Remote closed the connection) 22.55.39 # studio 10 22.55.49 # i have to go now... 22.56.15 # bye....my email is shoval@hotmail.com 22.56.27 Quit Evil_Mind () 23.22.20 # matp: working on anything? 23.31.20 # CBR is wasteful.. it uses up the entire bitrate for parts that don't need it, making parts that need a higher bitrate suffer 23.31.50 # VBR is almost always better quality in less or similar space 23.33.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.33.59 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)