--- Log for 22.07.102 Server: lerouge.openprojects.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 2 days and 9 hours ago 00.01.33 Quit NiarkY (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.49.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.41.36 Join WetFlax [0] (~wettoad@flax.mbi-berlin.de) 01.43.37 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) 02.13.51 Join wodokm [0] (wodokm@sunhalle69.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) 02.14.50 # hi anyone there, i'd need the MSVCR70.DLL for the simulator to run, anyone has it for me, would be glad... 02.16.14 # someone there? 02.18.24 # bye 02.18.28 Part wodokm 02.21.30 Quit WetFlax ("I like core dumps") 02.31.17 Join g003y [0] (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) 02.31.43 # has anyone used that playlist reset patch that Lee Marlow sent around? 02.49.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.14.09 Part g003y 04.49.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.03.55 Join aakil [0] (~anon007@adsl-63-195-51-251.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 06.49.17 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 07.44.52 Join USAG33k [0] (~usageek@24.247.13.250.gha.mi.chartermi.net) 07.45.00 Join adiamas [0] (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-7.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 07.45.16 # why, hello, is anyone around? 07.45.20 Nick adiamas is now known as adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-7.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 07.56.21 # what!? 07.58.38 Join NiarkY [0] (~NiarkY@213.41.98.83) 08.04.37 Quit aakil (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.08.22 Quit USAG33k ("Client Exiting") 08.45.33 Quit edx|sleep () 08.46.18 Join mecraw|moving [0] (~mecraw@ip68-4-92-30.oc.oc.cox.net) 08.49.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.22.09 # hmmm.. i have 3 directories with similar names, and the first 2 show the contents of the 2nd one, while the 3rd shows its proper contents.. 10.23.32 # there's 'Vespertine', 'Vespertine (bad rip)', and 'Vespertine [ogg2mp3]' 10.23.33 # heh 10.49.24 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 10.54.04 Join Linus [0] (~linus@193.15.23.131) 11.02.15 # bjork rokk 11.02.24 # ? 11.02.28 # Linus: 11.02.32 # hmmm.. i have 3 directories with similar names, and the first 2 show the contents of the 2nd one, while the 3rd shows its proper contents.. 11.02.35 # there's 'Vespertine', 'Vespertine (bad rip)', and 'Vespertine [ogg2mp3]' 11.03.01 # uhuh 11.04.32 # are the contents of the 2 first dirs very different in reality? 11.05.27 # well they have noticably different sound quality, a different order, and different bonus tracks at the end 11.06.10 # ok, is this consistent? 11.06.19 # i mean does it happen every time? 11.06.28 # as far as i can tell 11.06.43 # i tried it once and then i rebooted it and tried it again and it was the same 11.08.30 # does the problem go away if you rename one of then, like appending a character to the second dir name? 11.08.47 # and does it return if you change it back? 11.09.33 # um i dunno heh 11.10.15 # I have loudness & bass boost working on my recorder now... 11.10.23 # going to mail the patch to the list in a few minutes. 11.11.03 # supah! 11.20.07 # there. 11.20.28 # Btw, is the list very large, it seems a little slow? 11.20.56 # Please try the patch out and consider including it in the main code 11.23.34 # large list? slow? 11.23.53 # The mailing list... takes a while for messages to get through. 11.24.37 Join yro [0] (~yves@ns1.alcove-solutions.com) 11.25.06 # Hes: not for me 11.26.14 # For some reason I suspect you're within the first subscribers 8-) 11.26.44 # so you're likely to get it first unless the mail transport software used there sorts messages in the queue somehow 11.26.44 # hehe. yeah. Probably number 2. 11.27.05 # I'm probably very near the end of the list. 11.27.10 # ah 11.27.58 # Takes around half an hour for me to get my own messages back. 11.28.20 # It's not that bad, just made me wonder how many subscribers there are 8-) 11.29.04 # i think it's about 150, but i'm not sure 11.30.50 # Hes: you should be aware of that we don´t have floating point support 11.31.19 # at least we don´t want to 11.31.32 # Ah. 11.32.40 # do you want to change it, or should i do it? 11.32.52 # That will probably have an effect on my changes in mpeg.c 11.33.25 # Hm, if you happen to know what to change and how? I don't have a good idea straight out. 11.34.09 # for example 1.5 * tmp would be rewritten as (3 * tmp) / 2 11.34.44 # i can do that 11.34.59 # ah, i see. 11.35.47 # but beware of overflowas 11.38.43 # right. 11.39.29 # Is the patch otherwise ok? 11.40.20 # +static void bass_boost(void) 11.40.20 # +{ 11.40.20 # + set_sound("Bass boost", &global_settings.bass_boost, SOUND_SUPERBASS); 11.40.22 # +} 11.40.33 # That could read "Bass Boost" like the menu item 11.40.38 # for consistency 11.44.09 # i like the patch 11.44.32 # although i would prefer it to be two separate patches 11.44.43 # one for case sensitive sorting 11.44.46 # Yes, I expected someone to mention that 8-) 11.44.51 # and one for mas fixes 11.44.57 # I posted the case sensitive sorting patch earlier 11.45.01 # aha 11.45.31 # now merged my changes against the current CVS and didn't bother to edit the diff to two parts, which of course would have been the correct thing to do. 11.47.31 # i am a little unsure about the case sensitivity option 11.47.38 # Lunch time. Some jerk is eating pizza with loads of garlic in the office. 11.48.23 # i was under the impression that most people want case insensitive sorting... 11.48.48 # Yes, that's probably what _most_ people want. 8-) 11.49.21 # just curious 11.49.39 # It defaults to case insensitive sorting (although the bit will be 1 in the RTC config block by default, if it has been used with older versions of rockbox with the RTC config saving) 11.50.05 # Um, no, it will be 0 in any case. 11.50.49 # Nice to see the A/D converter quasi-peak detector readouts jumping in the codec registers, 0x0c and 0x0d 11.50.55 # just curious again, why do you want case sensitive sorting? 11.51.47 # It allows me to do primitive and easy configuration to get some directories/files first or last in the list just by changing the case of the first directory 11.52.33 # aha 11.52.42 # I have a bunch of "more important" directories (ie. Soul-Funk, Rock, Jazz, and so on) and then "less important" (ie "misc, crap") 11.53.01 # which are shown after the more important ones even though they are after the important ones alphabetically. 11.53.22 # Which I find very comfortable with the small display & buttons 11.54.23 # I have used this in the mp3 hierarchy i have on my unix systems 11.54.41 # it's nice to just rsync it to the player and have the same sorting order. 11.54.58 # Now, the lunch. Back in a moment. 12.06.47 Nick Linus is now known as Linus|lunch (~linus@193.15.23.131) 12.30.29 Join lithermon [0] (gxhb@ACB7035B.ipt.aol.com) 12.31.28 # hello is there someone here who can answer me a question ? 12.35.49 # well anyway i got a jb recorder 20 firmware 1.28 and when i put ajbrec.ajz on it it ignores the new file and loads its own firmware up 12.39.48 # you have to boot up with the power supply NOT connected 12.40.38 # yes i did 12.40.46 # booted with nothing connected 12.49.28 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 12.50.01 Quit lithermon () 12.52.17 Join wodokm [0] (wodokm@131.159.4.220) 12.52.34 # hi there, can someone send me the msvcr70.dll ? 13.17.16 # someone there? ;-) 13.17.31 Nick Linus|lunch is now known as Linus (~linus@193.15.23.131) 13.17.55 # i'm afraid that i don't have msvcr70.dll 13.18.17 # but some people have managed to rename an older dll and had it to work 13.18.43 # i think... 13.18.56 # i got it now from some BootXP program, thanks anyway... 13.19.27 # but let me tell you one thing: YOU GUYS RUUULE! thank you very much for doing a new firmware 13.19.46 # you're welcome 13.20.24 # there are still a few features missing... 13.20.37 # like recording, for instance 13.20.38 # for me the 2 worst things were: 1000 songs/playlist and the playlist loading time... and the random that also always started with the first song in the playlist, so i had to do an empty mp3 first ;) 13.20.56 # :-) 13.20.59 # well, i only have the Player Studio, so... 13.21.24 # the player rockbox needs a better UI 13.21.28 # one question: why is the display only 2 lines? 13.21.38 # ask Archos 13.22.03 # the LCD has only two lines 13.22.23 # hmmm thought there were more lines with the archos.mod .. hmmm the rest is fixed LCD-stuff? 13.22.30 # if you mean why the icons are unused, i am working on a patch that uses them 13.22.46 # the battery meter and the volume level 13.22.54 # and also the Play/Pause icons 13.23.35 # yeah right, that were hardware icons, i thought that were just charsets, so ofcourse you can't use them... 13.23.40 # unfortunately, most of the core developers have Recorders 13.24.26 # damn, i'd like to help, but i'm away in my vacation the next month and then i'll have to learn for my end-tests of my CS-diploma... 13.24.38 # we would really like your opinions on the UI, though 13.24.48 # and the recorder does have that big display (as seen on the example-screenshots (of the simulator))? 13.25.09 # it's a graphical 112x64 display 13.25.46 # with no icons 13.26.20 # well, it just looked strange as the icons were not used, but hardware-limits aer hardware-limits, and when the icons are used, it looks better... hmm well, i was getting used to the archos UI, so.. but that doesn't mean that that's better... 13.27.25 # the Player/Studio versions are a bit limited, partly because of the LCD, but also because it has so few keys 13.28.08 # what keys do the recorders have more? 13.28.08 # for example, we vould like to use the "up" and "down" buttons for up and down in the directory browser 13.28.22 # but they are marked "Play" and "Stop" 13.28.34 # so we must use them for that 13.28.51 # and the Stop key also turns the unit off, so we can't use key repeat on it 13.29.06 # the recorder has four more keys 13.29.27 # three general function keys and a dedicated play/pause button 13.30.01 # http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/devcon/show.cgi?img4083.jpg 13.30.02 # yeah, that was kinds stupid by them not to use the up/down buttons for up/down.. damn, those guys are stupid anyway, no real support, no REAL improvements in the firmware (like 10.000 songs and load time etc.) and as we see it IS posisble... 13.30.30 # they probably have a budget, something we don't 13.30.44 # They're not completely stupid, the device _is_ cool and a nice piece of hardware after all. 13.30.53 # aah, i see.. so the at least improved the display.. wooow ;-)) 13.31.36 # Hes: yes, the hardware is neat. but it has many flaws. 13.32.05 # yes of course, but it seems to me they throw it out, and then don't really care about it, it's enough to SAY that there's a possibility of formware updates so ppl buy it and then they dont really care about... well, so it's great you guys do ! 13.32.16 # Yes. It's hard to get it completely right the first time (or the second or third, anyway) 13.32.33 # Hes: the flaws are intentionel 13.32.58 # Hmm, like? 13.33.21 # i also guess rockbox does NOT hang randomly!! and when the battery is low, archos doesn't save the "random" value, so if you load the same playlist after turning off and on, you'l lget the same order of songs you've just heard... 13.33.33 # they have thought too much about production costs and too little about performance and ease of programming 13.34.01 # I guess they do have a reason for thinking about production costs 8-) 13.34.23 # well, get an iPod, it's eally nice to use, but expensive.. well it's such a thing, yes... 13.34.35 # Hes: example: they have saved a few pence on not putting an inverted DEMAND pin interface to the CPU from the MAS 13.34.42 # forcing us to poll it every 2ms 13.35.00 # Uh. 13.35.10 # well, but if you want a good reputation (so ppl also buiy your next products etc.), you'll also have to think about support and quality! 13.35.18 # wodokm: actually, rockbox _has_ problems with random crashes... :-) 13.35.33 # Mine crashed this morning after playing the last song in a directory... 13.35.41 # couldn't reproduce though. 13.35.54 # Hes: they have changed the ATA address decoder three times, back and forth 13.36.25 # Hes: yeah, the crashed are mysterious 13.36.35 # Linus: my plalist is 1700 songs, no problem when it crashes at the end ;) 13.36.53 # thay have also lowered the CPU frequency for the recorder, for no apparent reason 13.37.07 # saving battery? 13.37.11 # i doubt it 13.37.24 # it takes longer to read from the hard drive 13.37.29 # what's the cpu frequency anyway? 13.37.47 # 12MHz on the Player. 11.0562 on the recorder 13.37.48 # humm seems stupid, right... 13.37.54 # What else than saving battery, they should have a reason to do that? 13.38.02 # i have a nasty theory... 13.38.12 # But that's not a very drastic change... 13.38.20 # Cheaper chrystal? 8-) 13.38.36 # hehe, that would be the archos way 13.38.54 # no, i discovered something when i fiddles woth the serial port the other day 13.38.59 # fiddled 13.39.03 # but when it takes more time to read from the hdd, it takes more battery, doesn't it? 13.39.09 # probably 13.39.47 # I remember a certain frequency chrystal being used for just about everything in hobby projects, since it was available for really cheap since it was used in televisions 13.40.17 # Hes: yes, that frequency is used to clock the MP3 codec 13.40.50 # but there is a separate crystal for the CPU 13.40.55 # is there anything besides coding i could help? 13.41.22 # wodokm: testing, of course 13.41.25 # documentation 13.41.31 # pats on the back 13.42.01 # pats on the back? (what's that?) 13.42.46 # ah i checked the dict. ;-)) 13.43.01 # i'm german so... 13.43.10 # What did you find with the serial port? 13.43.12 # ah, so 13.43.44 # i found that the baud rate calculations give 0% deviation up to 230400bps 13.44.19 # my guess is that they wanted to be able to use high serial speeds 13.44.32 # maybe for debugging 13.44.42 # a wild guess, i know 13.46.05 # just for interest, someone of you guys been in the (Amiga) Demo scene maybe? =) 13.46.14 # Btw... where did you get the schematics? 8-) 13.47.33 # Back to business... do you think the sorting order patch will go in? 13.47.44 # wodokm: yes, breafly. We are most famous on the C64 scene though 13.48.07 # Assembly '02 is approaching. 13.48.22 # Hes: the schematics are made from scratch, by using a multimeter and a lot of patience 13.48.32 # WHOA. 13.49.11 # Hes: i guess Björn has to decide about the sorting patch. i don't have a problem with it myself... 13.49.17 # I am deeply impressed. 13.49.41 # yeah, a guy names Andrew Jamiesson wanted to try out his new multimeter... 13.49.59 # yeah, c64 rocks (more than amiga of course)... 13.50.09 # been at ASM'94 and ASM'95 13.50.10 # it contains quite a few errors, but i am redrawing them 13.50.14 Nick wodokm is now known as DexterAYS (wodokm@131.159.4.220) 13.50.27 Nick Linus is now known as BoogalooHZ (~linus@193.15.23.131) 13.50.46 # and The Party 94 upto 98 13.50.55 Nick Hes is now known as HesNetCrew (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) 13.50.58 # Horizon i guess? 13.50.59 # i was at the Party 94 13.51.10 # wioth my first and only Amiga demo 13.51.14 # damn i didn't meet you ;-) 13.51.20 # Horizon, yes 13.51.22 # did you compete? 13.51.27 # Been doing the network uplink for the last couple years. 13.51.36 # 4th place in the compo 13.51.50 # Virtual Intelligence 13.52.21 # a very cool way of putting bitmaps on 3D vector objects 13.52.32 # well, better than our "Dove" (with the beverly hills90210 endpart.....) 13.52.40 # gotta take a look at that demo ;-) 13.53.02 # we did a VERY cool vector demo for the C64 after that 13.53.06 # The Last Traktor III 13.53.34 # and won another compo with it 13.53.43 # actually, the last demo we ever made 13.55.05 # yeah, we guys from abyss are now developing GBA games... go and get Maya The Bee - The Big Adventure, ingame coding: Dexter (me ;-), all other stuff: Bartman, Musics: Pink, GFX: Judas/Endzeit, Levels: Wintermute ;-) check out www.shinen.com and.. 13.55.15 # ,,go buy it... (or if you want leech it heheheh) 13.55.59 # cool. we never made any games 13.56.03 Nick HesNetCrew is now known as Hes (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) 13.56.09 Nick BoogalooHZ is now known as Linus (~linus@193.15.23.131) 13.57.12 # well, gameboy coding is quite cool, you can to some hardware stuff etc. that's what we all liked on a500/c64 yeeeah, not pc directx games ;( 13.57.50 # that's also why i like rockbox 13.58.44 # yeah me too, i like hardware projects, i'm just not very good at electronics (though i'Dm very interesed), but never learned all that stuff... 13.59.02 # me neither 14.00.00 # what i like to do is to build my own Pinball, i got a used one that doesn't work, build my own playfield, do my very own processor board, code the complete game with all the flippers etc. connected via relais, AND: for sound i wanna connect a SID 14.00.55 # just don't know what kinda display to use, and how to connect.. it's gotta be a big one of course, not an 20x4 display... 14.00.57 # DexterAYS: my and Exilons last project was to do Pinball Fantasies for the C64 14.01.16 # but we never finished it 14.01.22 # cool!! .. did you start? 14.01.23 # iwould have ROCKED, though 14.01.51 # i really liked the pinball series, i BOUGHT Pinball Illusions then for amiga, cause they really deserved it! 14.01.57 # we had the ball bouncing, the board scrolling (bitmap scroll of course) 14.02.22 # the flipper collision detection was hard 14.02.46 # and the bouncing calculations were VERY time consuming 14.03.05 # and that on an c64 - you c64 coders just rock ;-) i did a rot/zoomer once, but it was not vey fast hahaha... 14.03.11 # the original used 64 sample points around the ball and 32-bit arithmetics 14.03.11 # sure, on 1MHz ;( 14.04.02 # yeah i thout that with the sample points, and every sample point collided gave an impulse in the exact otherwise direction, right? and then all impulses from the 64points werde vector added, kinda? 14.04.20 # not really 14.04.33 # do you have something you can show me form that pinball ? 14.04.49 # we calculate an average angle from the points 14.04.52 # ;( bad guess form me 14.05.23 # the problem is that we have to do the calculations very often 14.05.32 # because of the ball speed 14.06.08 # otherwise the ball would appear to have passed into the border 14.06.13 # so you don't move the ball the lets say 3 pix at once, but call the routine for one pixel 3 times... that kinda stuff? 14.06.24 # sort of 14.06.38 # well not sort of, exactly like that 14.06.52 # yeah, the same thing as i used in Maya The Bee (jump'n'run), did it the same way... 14.06.55 # and no, i don't have anything to show you 14.07.06 # that was 8 years ago 14.07.26 # take a look if you want: http://www.shinen.com/games/game.php3?maya 14.08.15 # looks great! 14.08.21 # i love 2D platform games 14.08.25 # and i hate 3d 14.08.39 # wow - i'm impressed... really! i just like c64... hmmm. connecting an SID to some processor via memory mapping isn't that hard to layout? 14.09.13 # pretty simple 14.09.20 # depending on the CPu of course 14.09.25 # yeah me too, maya makes real fun, not only for 10year old kids...moe fun to me than 3d games, i don't wanna code 3d games also, so gba is quite cool... 14.10.03 # i do have to check the frequency, that's probably the main problem? 14.10.21 # (sorry my R doesn't work always...) 14.11.22 # frequency is one problem 14.11.28 # the bus interface is another 14.11.29 # the problem is the cpu haveinmg 8 MHz and the SID needs 1Mhz ? 14.11.34 # ah okay... 14.11.46 # but i guess the SID isn't that strange 14.12.03 # that would be too cool, a real pinball with sid sound ;-)) 14.12.10 # i think you can connect it to just about any CPU 14.12.12 # what country are you from? 14.12.18 # that accepts 5V I/O 14.14.42 # can you giveme your email-addy, so i can tell you ideas about the UI and what else i found out when testing the rockbox... 14.15.53 # and what you REALL could implement, no joke: SID-support, just thought about it... or do all data have to go through the MAS?.. that would be toooo cool... so i have to MP3 them, but that's also okay... 14.19.00 # DexterAYS: all data has to go through the MAS 14.19.29 # it is possible to reprogram the MAS (it is a DSP) but we have no documentation 14.19.57 # the CPU is very slow, so the SID emulation will probably suck 14.20.13 # DexterAYS: you should join the mailing list 14.20.42 # i am swedish, by the way 14.20.45 Join liam_ [0] (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) 14.20.59 # hi liam_! 14.21.03 Nick liam_ is now known as jedix` (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) 14.21.07 # hey 14.21.11 # yo! 14.21.12 # whats up? 14.21.19 # how the project going? 14.21.31 # forward, i hope :-) 14.21.54 # hehe 14.22.11 # i have been working on the MP3 loading for a week now 14.22.47 # my MP3 loading fixes combined with Björns ATA deep sleep is a pain 14.23.22 # we had to raise the low water mark considerably 14.23.42 # bit i believe that it works quite Ok now 14.24.47 # linus: okay, i'll do. but SID emulation worked on 7 MHz a500.. hmm okay, you'd have to mix the channel, a500 didn't have to.. but wouldn't work anyway as you had to go through the mas... ;( 14.25.34 # yeah, going through the MAS has some drawbacks 14.25.57 # damn, 2002 and the thing can't play SIDs ;-))))) 14.26.01 # low sampling frequency 14.26.26 # Whoa, my recorder 20 just started acting up 14.26.33 # ? 14.26.37 # it's running out of battery (looking at the indicator in the bottom) 14.26.42 # i told it to play a directory 14.26.54 # and the file names just flicker by...? 14.26.59 # it tried to play all songs one by one, but didn't play any (probably couldn't spin up the disk) 14.27.11 # and tried the next one...and the next... 14.27.18 # Maybe a warning about dead battery & shutdown might be in order 14.27.22 # Yes, that's right. 14.27.39 # Hes: yes, a shutdown would be good in that case 14.28.04 # but the units behave differently in low battery situations 14.28.11 # Right. 14.28.14 # and you do want to play until the bitter end 14.28.23 # well, archos doesn't a too good low-battery-auto shutdown, too... so well, ppl are used to recognize when the batt seems to be low ;-) 14.28.46 # i don't want a low-battery-shutdown 14.29.17 # the unit shuts off when the level goes below ~4.5V 14.29.56 # but the hard drives require 4.75 according to the specs 14.30.38 # i think it's okay with no autoshut off... how does archos get the value for the battery display? that never ight when just tuned on... 14.31.21 # i guess they calculate an average over time 14.32.05 # they have an input A->D converter from the battery somehow!? 14.32.09 # when we implement file system writes, we will write-protect the drive if the voltage goes below 4.75V 14.32.36 # DexterAYS: yes, the CPU has 8 A/D inputs 14.33.45 # they are used for different things, like battery meter, USB detection and the reading of the keys 14.34.04 # where does archos save the values like random seed etc. ? if the batt is low, the seed wonD't saved anymore, so the same order comes when playing the same playlist after power off and on... 14.36.26 # the playes saves its settings in sector 62 on the hard drive 14.36.29 # my mp3-files are named like [artist]-songname.mp3 . displaying artist in the first line and songname in the second line, or alternating artist/songname on the one single line.. that would be cool ;-) (for me, maybe some of those formats can be... 14.36.54 # ...implemented and selected via menu? (or things lie " - " or what ppl use...) 14.37.10 # we have thought of that 14.37.48 # but every discussion ends when we discover how many ways the file naming can be done 14.38.03 Join ripnetuk [0] (~george@ripnet.fsnet.co.uk) 14.38.12 Quit ripnetuk (Client Quit) 14.38.26 # some people use a directory hierarchy instead 14.38.29 # you guys are cool (do i repeat myself? ;-) ... yes, sure. but some presets would be cool? 14.38.46 # indeed. care to do it? 14.40.13 # hmm sure i can... it's a part that can be developed quite individually... so, i get the filename and return something.. and well, i get probably a setting from the settings menu (Auto, "[]-", " - ", etc.) 14.40.15 # puh, ETOOMANYPROJECTS, it would be so nice to invest time in rockbox 14.40.37 # Hadaka: i know the feeling 14.41.00 # DexterAYS: something like that 14.41.57 # that'd be very cool, if someone doesnt' want to use it, it can be switched off, and if some one has such a naming, he can use it, why not.... 14.43.14 # yeah, as long as it isn't polluting the code... 14.43.44 # and we can the user select if he wants 2 lines for artist/songname, or if he wants 1 line alternating with time display, or 1 line scrolling with time display... ? 14.44.00 # sort of 14.44.14 # should be possibly to code so it isn't polluting the code, hopefully... 14.44.18 # and we could extend it to the dir browser as well 14.44.48 # so that it can list the song name before the artist, so you don't have to wait for the scroll to start 14.45.30 # or in 2 lines!? so there's just no place for file 5 of 10 andsoone... 14.46.37 # i'll go think about all that stuff, now i can really fix what bugged me (besides the stuff you guys fixed already... i'm so happy bout that m3u loading...) 14.47.01 Join lohap [0] (lohap@usr1468-bra.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.47.06 # do you have a cross development environment up? 14.47.20 # so you can build the rockbox 14.47.26 # hi lohap! 14.47.34 # hi 14.47.40 # so you know why archos loaded the playlists that way? they seem to have seeked to every mp3, the farer away from the playlist-file on the hdd, the more seeking was needed... loading got slower and slower the more files it read. 14.47.56 # no (not yet). 14.48.12 # i have no idea what they are doing. i guess they try to verify the existence of them all 14.48.16 # "do" not "so" 14.48.35 # stupid, at the cost of loading time..arrrrgg 14.48.53 # i just instqalled rockbox on my recorder 20 and i must amit i am impressed 14.49.01 # lohap: thanks 14.49.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.49.35 # well done to say that unlike argos u are developing it on no budget 14.50.11 # lohap: i think our lack of budget is one of the reasons we have gone this far 14.50.28 # lohap, yeah one could think it was the other way ;) 14.50.48 # lol 14.50.55 # we don't do thinks half-hearted just because we have a deadline 14.51.07 # we want to do it right 14.51.22 # well, they had the deadline: the first release, but HEY: that's some years behind!!! 14.51.35 # yea i must admit the interface aint as pritty as argos but the features are alot better 14.52.00 # they are a small company, and they have several products to support/develop 14.52.00 # and it runs alot quicker so itll do me 14.52.12 # lohap: it aint's finshed yet... 14.52.20 # lohap: yeah, then interface needs brudhing up 14.52.24 # brushing 14.52.28 # yea i know its just in beta 14.52.37 # it will be in beta forever 14.52.40 # linus: yes, but that's no excuse!? 14.53.17 # hehe this is a crazy idea plus im a newbie so it may not be possible but why not go for a icon driven interface 14.53.30 # but don't forget: archos is alpha in my opinion =) 14.53.37 # heheh lol 14.54.12 # lohap: is would be possible for the recorder, but not the Player... 14.54.31 # yea the recorder has a larger lcd 14.54.39 # i want an WinXP GUI........ hell NOOOOO! ;-) 14.54.44 # you can connect a keyboard or a mouse instead of the remote control 14.54.56 # re 14.55.17 # webmind is alive! 14.55.22 # uhm 14.55.24 # yes 14.55.25 # lol ircing through my jukebox lol 14.55.25 # am now 14.55.30 # lohap, ??? 14.56.04 # joke lol i must admint i typed it abit late 14.57.13 # linus: can i develop on win2000 or should i install linux for all the cvs stuff and gnu compiler...? 14.57.24 # DexterAYS: you can use win2k 14.57.32 # but linux is to prefer 14.57.53 # use cygwin on win2k 14.57.58 # cool ;-).. hmm can the display be driven pixel by pixel? (so we could do a SNAKE like nokia heheheheh) 14.58.11 # but first i'll do the names stuff... 14.58.27 # DexterAYS: the Playes is character only, the recorder is pixel based 14.58.38 # we have Tetris and Sokoban for the recorder 14.58.52 # still waiting for someone to do the Snake 14.59.25 # okay, no snake, but that doesn't really MATTER... okay, i'll try to set up the stuff so i can compile and use cvs functions... 14.59.37 # what language does the recorder run on 14.59.51 # hey i did an "snake" on amiga, was my first "game", i put it as secret part in one of our music-disks ;-) 15.00.23 # linus: do you guys plan to do multilanguage? (i don't think someone needs that..) 15.00.53 # linus: how does the base/treble work? is it done by the MAS? 15.01.37 # moring all 15.01.41 # morn 15.01.54 # DexterAYS: multilanguage will be supported 15.01.56 # some day 15.02.08 # an icon driven interface would be great. I keep thinking Nokia phone here (or iriver mp3CD players) 15.02.09 # bass/treble is done by the MAS 15.02.31 # personally i don't like icon driven interfaces 15.02.32 # that would take up a bit of room, but it would kick some major ass. 15.02.35 # yea sort of a nokia interface would be great 15.02.52 # Linus: you still use lynx to browes the web though :) 15.02.59 # because it is so hard to draw icons that everyone understands 15.03.36 # well by trade im a graphics designer for websites so i could help with that 15.04.16 # and what icons would we need? The major part of the interface is based on file names anyway 15.04.22 # we also got pixel artists of course.. well, small icons like that on player: playlsit, song, etc. are okay, but not too much iconing... 15.04.45 # i want a movie to be played in the background.. er.. no. 15.04.54 # well the f1 could open up a icon driven menu 15.04.56 # lohap: the rockbox project is 99% C and 1% assembly 15.05.23 # icons representing what? 15.05.40 # lohap: i don't have f1 *sniff* on my player ;) 15.06.10 # well playlist editor, games, sound, things like that more to make it pritty and vv userfriendly 15.06.22 # sound settings/games/clock/play mode/etc. 15.06.26 # yea 15.06.36 # linus: got some screenshot of what fix-icons on the player are in the lcd? (fo me designing the selector, song.display, etc.) ? 15.07.28 # why not wack a vote on the page so that the people who use the program can shape the way its going 15.08.26 # well, better invest the work on the code? and let some designated ppl care about that? 15.08.57 # yea i suppose solid code now pritty pictures next 15.10.03 # yes, and i'll try to care about the filename splitting/display, that's something that i missed on archos, haveing lots a files name [Huey Lewis and the News]-blabla, waiting on each title to scroll to the songname took too much time... 15.10.23 Join PiotR [0] (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) 15.10.26 # too bad i'm on my vacation from 2nd august.. 15.11.07 # i'll try to think over it anyway and let you guys know... 15.11.56 # hi PiotR! 15.12.35 # o btw how come rockbox dosnt support shuffle in playlists 15.12.46 # it does! 15.13.05 # select in the menu worked fine for me... 15.13.24 # shuffle is set to yes 15.13.30 # and when i press 15.13.38 # strange... lemme check 15.14.04 # 6 its goes in order 15.14.31 # linus: can the power-on sequence be changed? i guess no, it's in the ROM-firmware?! 15.14.45 # DexterAYS: what do you mean 15.15.06 # btw im using archos20020722.ajz 15.15.29 # you gotta press for 2 seconds... 15.15.59 # that is hardware controlled 15.16.03 # are that fixed it 15.16.04 # damn ;) 15.16.31 # now it doesn't play anything when loaded the playlist... what happened now? 15.16.52 # DexterAYS: battery status? 15.17.23 # btw there is a bug if u hold 6 down for 2 second and do it again before the song has loaded it gets stuck in a load 15.17.25 # linus: i can load single mp3s, they play.. 15.17.29 # loop- 15.18.04 # lohap: on the recorder? 15.18.08 # and now its started playing again lol u got to love beta's lol 15.18.09 # yea 15.19.04 # lohap: you hold the DOWN key ? 15.19.38 # i held it down for 2 second and then press it again it went around ten track then started to play then went round about another ten tracks 15.19.50 # now its playing again 15.20.07 # lohap: you must mean the RIGHT key 15.20.44 # yea 6the right one 15.21.29 # that is because the key repeats, but the Ui thread dosn't get the messages from the key interrupt 15.21.44 # because the disk loading takes all CPU time 15.22.10 # when the disk loading is done, it serves all pending key events 15.22.39 # with my limit knowledge i understand 15.22.41 # the disk loading is a pain in the %&¤! 15.23.07 # another example of lousy hardware design 15.23.50 # or rather, the interface between the CPU and the MAS leaves room for enhancement... 15.25.23 # does your playlist loader ignore the "#..." entries in WinAMP playlists? 15.27.00 # linus: how can i skip to the next mp3 when in playlist play mode?? 15.27.42 # linus: and do you plan the volume setting like archos? ON and +/- ? 15.27.44 Nick dwihno|gone0r is now known as dwihno (dwihno@193.180.246.67) 15.29.48 # Hello hello! :-) 15.32.14 # linus: how do you get random seeds if you don't save something to disk? 15.33.12 # hmm 15.33.40 # disk loading takes all CPU time? was this about archos or rockbox? 15.34.44 # Hadaka: archos and rockbox 15.34.52 # hi dwihno 15.35.22 # hm 15.35.28 # DexterAYS: no, we don't ignore # what i can see 15.35.41 # so - is there any way to make the interface responsive during disk loadings? 15.35.46 # Hadaka: we do yield() once in a while 15.36.14 # ok so there's no hardware problem with it, only software? 15.36.15 # yes, we can make the interface responsive, at the cost of slower load 15.36.33 # good 15.36.49 # and we have gone through fire and water to reduce the load times 15.37.31 # yeah so I've gathered - which is a good thing 15.37.40 # DexterAYS: whay would we have to save to disk to get a random seed? 15.38.08 # DexterAYS: just press LEFt and RIGHT to go back/forward in the play list while playing 15.38.22 # linus: hmm well, the current random seed.... hmm how do you get the random values then? 15.38.44 # there is a bug in the current CVS: when I scroll down a few screen lenghts of folders, and then I press right to enter a folder, a new cursor appears on the top line, and then nothing happens (it is hard to reproduce though) 15.38.46 # currently, we reseed every time you start the playlist 15.38.47 # linus: I almost implemented the AVC this morning 15.38.55 # this is on AJBR6 15.39.00 # Hes: COOL! 15.39.02 # while i was doing the loudness 15.39.13 # But didn't after all. Seems very straightforward to do though. 15.40.25 # DexterAYS: the plan is to save the seed and the playlist position 15.40.26 # linus: when i load the playlist several times, there's only 2 songs he selects to start from... 15.40.54 # that's bad 15.41.07 # how long is the list 15.41.08 # kinda ;-) 15.41.24 # 1638 files.. but there's some # lines from winamp in it, should i try without? 15.41.36 # yes 15.43.01 # it's always the first or the second song! 15.43.21 # hmm 15.43.24 # those lines from winamp are: 15.43.24 # #EXTM3U 15.43.25 # #EXTINF:67,01 [Van Halen]-1984 15.43.25 # good random code ;-) 15.43.38 # maybe he gets confused... 15.43.42 # Didn't someone add # comment style preventing code earlier? 15.44.00 # it sure isn't handled in the playlist code 15.44.32 # oh, it is. i see it now 15.45.12 # anyway i'll test without... one mom 15.46.13 # how long has volume been implemented on the WPS screen? 15.47.16 # now again it doesnt play anything at all... sory moment... 15.47.26 # didnt change to archos input in my amp. ;( 15.47.40 # elinenbe: for ages 15.49.10 # linus: alsways the 1st or 2nd song ;( 15.49.17 # "ages" being very relative 8-) 15.49.29 Quit lohap () 15.49.35 # don't tell me i have to use the archos firm again ;( 15.49.58 # DexterAYS: but the rest of the list plays ok, right? 15.51.48 # linus: what u mean? i can't skip songs, after the playlist is loaded it gets back to the fileselector menu 15.52.12 # DexterAYS: what? 15.52.28 # what firmware are you using? 15.53.00 # rockbox-1.1-player.mod 15.53.05 # ah... 15.53.10 # quick question to anyone. i may have asked this before. does the archos recharge the batteries in usb mode? 15.53.24 # you should try the latest daily build instead 15.53.35 # okay, ill get it mom 15.53.56 # matp|work|away: yes 15.54.45 Nick matp|work|away is now known as matp|work (~mpritch@gateway.riversoft.com) 15.54.48 # thanks 15.55.54 # Linus: how is the work with the battery loading part progressing? 16.03.47 # linus: do you have real Shuffle, or just random (shuffle would mean when playing the complete playlist once, every song plays exactly once)? 16.04.08 # all: when will options saving come? 16.04.44 # options are saved on the recorder already, they will be saved on the players when disk writing is enabled 16.05.34 # hey cool, last song (-) REALLY plays the last song.... fine! 16.05.54 # hes: what's the difference in saving to disk on recorder/player? 16.07.08 # the recorder doesn't need to save to disk 16.07.28 # the recorder has a few bytes of RAM on the RTC chip that can be used for settings 16.07.35 # the player has no RTC 16.08.19 # ah okay, now i see.. i think we all should throw our players away and buy recorders, would mamke it much easier for you to develop rockbox ,-) 16.11.05 # can i patch my startup-options (volume, random) somewhere in the .mod file (as long as no option saving is there) ?.. o maybe i can compile a version, must try to install cygwin anyway... 16.16.05 Nick DexterAYS is now known as DexterAYSlunchin (wodokm@131.159.4.220) 16.21.16 # DexterAYSlunchin: it is a shuffle 16.22.07 # dwihno: the charging stuff is idle at the moment 16.22.16 # * Linus goes for coffee 16.28.13 # has any of you had any pitch problems on your Player? 16.28.56 # linus: whad you mean? playing ata to high frequency? 16.29.09 # There, wrote the AVC code, will try it out tomorrow morning... 16.29.13 # linus: great with the shuffle, even winamp has only random... 16.29.37 # yeah. some people have complained about songs being played at a slightly too high pitch/frequency 16.30.11 # shuffle is the only way to go if you want to step back in random mode 16.30.21 # linus: how should that happen? the mas outputs at the fixed fequency... hmmmm 16.30.51 # linus: right, or you have to remind the former songs... 16.31.10 Nick DexterAYSlunchin is now known as DexterAYSeatinIc (wodokm@131.159.4.220) 16.31.16 Nick DexterAYSeatinIc is now known as DexterEatinIce (wodokm@131.159.4.220) 16.35.16 Nick DexterEatinIce is now known as DexterAYS (wodokm@131.159.4.220) 16.49.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.51.29 # hey dudes: now i installed cygwin, what's next? the cross-compilers? where do i get them fo cygwin? 16.54.17 Nick dwihno is now known as dwihno|gone (dwihno@193.180.246.67) 16.58.00 Quit elinenbe ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 16.59.08 # DexterAYS: you build them 17.02.32 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) 17.05.23 Join edx [0] (OKE60@fapc.kph.uni-mainz.de) 17.08.35 Quit yro ("ircII EPIC4-1.1.5 -- Are we there yet?") 17.16.55 Join aakil [0] (~anon007@adsl-63-195-51-251.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 17.18.32 # DexterAYS: building the compiler? 17.38.55 # linus: hmm... how can i build the compiler, without the compiler? 17.39.23 # doesn't cygwin include the compiler? 17.40.02 # you need to compile gcc for sh-elf with gcc for i386 17.41.02 # DexterAYS: cygwin whould include a native gcc compiler 17.41.06 # should 17.41.20 # you use that one to build the cross compiler 17.41.57 # http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/cross-gcc.html 17.57.08 Quit aakil (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.00.36 # $ gcc 18.00.39 # bash: gcc: command not found 18.01.09 # so no gcc included... 18.02.03 # wierd. did you install some kind of lightweight version of vygwin? 18.03.05 # perhaps the default installation doesn't install the compiler 18.10.30 # hmm i'll check that.. but, okay, when i have the gcc, i can compile the cross-compile, and then i also need cvs, right!?!! 18.11.07 # yes indeed. maybe there is a cygwin port of cvs? 18.11.20 # otherwise you have to use wincvs 18.12.50 # Hes: I'm about to commit your patch 18.13.26 # okay, i'll check that out.. thx so far, i'm off! 18.13.39 # bye DexterAYS! 18.14.42 # 2.95 or 3.1 gcc version? 18.17.00 # 3.1 18.17.32 # okay bye now ;-) 18.17.33 Part DexterAYS 18.35.48 Join mecraw [0] (~blah@ip68-4-92-30.oc.oc.cox.net) 18.37.11 # yo mecraw! 18.37.20 # Hi! 18.37.48 # wazzup? 18.38.00 # Just getting ready to move. 18.39.21 # Are you back from vacation now? 18.41.20 # yes 18.41.51 # I hope it was restful. 18.42.45 # I put the latest build on my ajbr last night, the new mpeg.c stuff seems to work on it now! 18.44.06 # you mean the loading problems? 18.44.48 # It used to stop after 70 seconds on my ~200kbit vbr files 18.45.09 # but it worked great last night for an hour straight 18.46.02 Part mecraw|moving 18.46.20 # that's great! 18.47.44 # have anyone noticed any battery lifetime changes since mine and Zagors changes? 18.48.06 # (what a silly sentence) 18.48.12 # mine seems to be better now, i can't quantify it though 18.48.45 # i should have some numbers next week after my 18 hour road trip :) 18.49.00 # mine still gets warm when i keep it in the blue...whatsitcalled...pouch? 18.49.08 # bag? 18.49.13 # pouch 18.49.19 # or bag :) 18.49.21 # pouchbag 18.49.26 Nick dwihno|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@193.180.246.67) 18.49.37 # baoch? 18.49.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.49.45 # pag? 19.00.41 Nick dwihno is now known as dwihno|gone (dwihno@193.180.246.67) 19.00.43 # well, time to go home 19.00.56 # cu all later this evening! 19.01.15 # bye 19.01.35 Part Linus 19.11.57 Join lohap [0] (lohap@usr585-bra.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.12.18 # hi al 19.12.19 # l 19.12.45 Quit lohap (Client Quit) 19.34.36 Join ironi__ [0] (~ironi@80.88.116.93) 19.34.40 # hey ppl 19.35.21 # i forgot to bring my charger for my jb6000 on vacation, sonow i got myself a new one 19.35.33 # it can do 1.5-12, and ives 1 A 19.35.35 # gives 19.36.00 # i guess i need to set it to 9V but i have no clue what polarity it is supposed to have 19.36.07 # anyone alive to tell me? 19.36.44 # Hadaka: u alive? 19.37.05 # edx ? 19.39.58 # damn. 19.52.31 Quit mecraw (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.04.02 Join g003y [0] (~g003y@dynamic-195-63.hotwired.com) 20.04.16 Part g003y 20.18.09 Join mecraw [0] (~blah@ip68-4-92-30.oc.oc.cox.net) 20.28.42 Join matp [0] (~matp@pc-80-193-212-102-hw.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.29.06 # just had a bad crash with rockbox 20.41.51 Join Rom1 [0] (~Ice@ACB50E2E.ipt.aol.com) 20.41.57 # hello all 20.44.39 Quit Rom1 (Client Quit) 20.45.12 Join lithermon [0] (gxhb@modem-349.munger.dialup.pol.co.uk) 20.46.16 # IO9 Cpu Addr error. 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I was driving, so I couldn't write down all the info. 20.49.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.00.47 Quit mecraw (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.02.57 # http://www.edig.com/news/releases/pr072202.html 21.53.10 Join USAG33k [0] (~usageek@24.247.13.250.gha.mi.chartermi.net) 21.53.12 Quit lithermon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.16.41 Join Emmett [0] (~emmett@pcp01334662pcs.columb01.pa.comcast.net) 22.16.45 # * Emmett waves 22.16.46 Join ^Fire [0] (~fire@212.163.224.104) 22.16.51 Part ^Fire 22.17.34 Part Emmett 22.18.10 Join int64 [0] (~int@cw07.MZ1.srv.t-online.de) 22.18.49 Join ftn[fu-all] [0] (~ftn@cw03.M1.srv.t-online.de) 22.21.35 Join TrEEcH [0] (treech@h24n5c1o1020.bredband.skanova.com) 22.21.45 Part ftn[fu-all] 22.22.25 Part int64 22.35.22 Join lithermon [0] (gxhb@modem-1041.cubone.dialup.pol.co.uk) 22.40.30 # hello? 22.49.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.50.15 # HELLO SIR CAPTAIN SIR! 22.50.22 # SALUT! 22.50.23 Quit jedix` ("gone home") 22.54.54 # haha 22.54.57 # so like, yeah 22.56.02 # ummm, i phjear the l337ness of rockbox 22.58.34 Quit lithermon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.01.58 Quit NiarkY (Remote closed the connection) 23.07.25 Quit wettoad (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.37.02 Join WetFlax [0] (~wettoad@194.95.10.99) 23.43.42 Join Linus [0] (~linus@193.15.23.131) 23.43.54 # yo! 23.48.30 # yo!yo! 23.49.18 # wazzup? 23.54.13 # ? 23.54.18 # werd to your respective mothers 23.56.08 # does any of you still have problems with high-bitrate files? 23.57.09 # at this point, i am having trouble with it recognizing my files 23.57.23 # like, perhaps it's that, but it won't read out files with uppercase first letters 23.57.24 # ? 23.57.39 # i haven't done too much research yet, working and such 23.57.46 # just noticed it yesterday with the latest build 23.58.31 # i would like to become part of the project, my C skillz are lacking though 23.58.39 # so for now i am just going to be listening in 23.58.53 # go buy the book by kerrigan and richie 23.59.20 # what is it titled?