--- Log for 23.07.102 Server: lerouge.openprojects.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 3 days and 9 hours ago 00.01.10 # "The C Programming Language" 00.01.16 # simple enough 00.01.32 # i haven't memorized the list of developers yet, are you part of the team 00.01.33 # ? 00.02.18 # I am one of the founders 00.03.08 # nice 00.03.27 # yeah. feels good. :-) 00.03.35 # i am really amazed at how much time you guys are pouring into this, kudos 00.04.30 # yeah, it's a lifestyle 00.04.43 # i guess 00.04.51 # so where are you from? 00.05.11 # Sweden 00.05.18 # wow 00.05.25 # u.s. 00.06.00 # any word on who is developing the code for the random play? 00.06.23 # so far i think 5 people have contributed to that code 00.06.38 # any specific question? 00.06.51 # is it supposed to work at this point? 00.07.09 # yes. on playlists 00.07.33 # ah, outside of that it isn't supposed to function? 00.07.44 # it isn't released, you have to use the daily builds 00.07.55 # that's what i have been using 00.08.02 # Linus: just a quick FYI 00.08.13 Join wettoad [0] (~wettoad@uludag.mbi-berlin.de) 00.08.37 # one day someone will implement the random function for directory playing as well 00.08.48 # excellent 00.08.50 # maybe you? 00.09.00 # i will do it, for i am the l337 codex0ring master 00.09.11 # just lack experience in the C syntax 00.09.11 # :-) 00.10.19 # I had a weird error earlier today :) 00.10.29 # ? 00.11.28 # matp: open your heart! 00.11.50 # IO9 Cpu Addr error. I think it then rebooted. I was driving, so I couldn't write down all the info. 00.12.01 # just like that? 00.13.18 # It was merrily playing a playlist for 30 mins or so, then that happened. 00.13.35 # do you recognise the error? 00.14.06 # i have seen it myself 00.14.14 # but i have never been able to reproduce it 00.14.56 # i think the bitswapping goes picking daisies 00.15.06 # and overwrites the code 00.15.06 Quit WetFlax ("I like core dumps") 00.15.38 # very weird. i've never seen it before 00.17.14 # no, it's a new one 00.17.19 # on a brighter note, random play is now an excellent job, and I've not seen the mpeg buffer thingy again 00.18.18 # also, battery life seems much better. sorry, no quantitive evidence ... 00.18.19 # great. have you noticed anything about battery time? 00.18.34 # ah great! 00.19.05 # tommorow i will get a chance to test it more thoroughly. i've been in usb mode a lot recently 00.19.24 # brb 00.28.56 Quit wettoad ("Client Exiting") 00.30.41 Join wodokm [0] (wodokm@sunhalle69.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) 00.31.11 # hi all, trying to get sh-elf-gcc to work, someone can help me? 00.31.31 # what is the problem? 00.33.05 # hmm i installed cvs, gcc and gdb via the cygwin installer, i guess binutils are also installed... or do i have to re-compile it with the options from the website (cross-gcc.html) ? 00.34.44 # ok. so now you have a native compiler. good 00.35.16 # now you need to download the soyrce code for gcc and binutils 00.35.37 # yes, and i got all the sources via cvs, worked fine also... 00.36.02 # binutils-2.11 and gcc-3.0.4 is recommended 00.37.15 # have you downloaded gcc-3.0.4.tar.gz? 00.37.29 # and binutils-2.11-tar.gz? 00.38.29 # trying to install via cygwin, i installed the executables only, now trying to install the sources... 00.39.16 # what versions? 00.40.22 # binutils20020706-2-src.tar.bz2 00.40.40 # i don't know what that is. 00.41.14 # to save you from trouble you should download the official archives from a GNU mirror 00.41.29 # hmm okay, makes sense ;) 00.44.29 # ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/binutils/binutils-2.11.2.tar.gz that okay? 00.45.02 # perfect 00.47.44 # okay, i deinstalled the working .exe files, so i can freshly compile using the instructions from the website.. okay, i'll have to have gcc running for that, i'll einstall that hehehe 00.48.12 # hehe, now i think you are getting it... :-) 00.48.44 # the thing is that you will have two compilers when you are done 00.48.49 # rite, takes some time, but i'm kinda new to that unix kinda workin ;-) my amiga didn#t need that ehehehe 00.48.52 # gcc and sh-elf-gcc 00.49.24 # i just committed the first crude battery status display for the Player 00.49.29 # yea okay, just thought there'd be some confusion when the "old" gcc was also therre, but i need it of course... 00.49.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.49.51 # he wow - the first lcd-icon being used ;) 00.50.25 # actually, it uses the volume meter and the play/pause icons as well 00.50.33 # cool as hell! 00.50.36 # :-) 00.51.02 # yezz - the lcd gets more and moer filled, coool... 00.51.39 # hi 00.52.31 # with reference to auto volume on the player, i'd like something sorta like what xmms and winamp have, with per-track savable auto-loaded sound settings 00.53.14 # PsycoXul: you are nuts! :-) 00.53.22 # heh 00.53.40 Quit PiotR ("User abort with 5 Ctrl-C's") 00.53.43 # you mean in the playlist, as comments? 00.53.48 # it'd be easy to store in either a master list, trackname.somesuch, or in playlists as comments 00.54.27 # well, for example all songs from toto are not very loud in volume.. when i hear something kinda silent, i a) know it's toto and b) have to turn up the volume ;-) maybe artist detection would be enough to do the volume pe-setting ?! 00.54.40 Quit matp (Remote closed the connection) 00.55.03 # oh yeah 00.55.34 # there could be per-dir settings too stuffed in a file, or something 00.56.00 # yeah, why not? 00.56.39 # this project is sooo cool, it'll be the ultimate player... and when it eally rocks, i'll get a recorder for a big display ;-) 00.57.01 # hehe 00.57.06 # does the recorder ercognize song-beginning/end like digital recording from CD to MD does? 00.58.10 # eeh? 00.59.30 # well, can you record digital or analog? 00.59.49 # we can't record at all at the moment 01.00.15 # i mean the hardware, what inputs does it support? 01.00.42 # Line-in, microphone, and SPD/IF 01.02.10 # ah cool, so SP/DIF will probably detect the song-start-signals.. okay... 01.02.11 Join mecraw [0] (~blah@ip68-4-92-30.oc.oc.cox.net) 01.02.28 # yo mecraw! 01.02.42 # to the installation... i have no "configure" installed somehow... cmd not found... make btw is found... ? 01.02.52 # howdy 01.03.06 # ok, so you will have to install automake and friends 01.03.24 # Linus: looks like you've been busy today 01.03.30 # as always 01.03.51 # ah got it, i think... 01.04.08 # gotta find the path where the binutils ae.. okay, searchin... 01.05.24 # simply had to add the ".2" into the dir name ;( 01.05.53 # i kinda get used to the cygwin.. i think it's quite cool! 01.06.14 # yeah. it's a poor mans UNIX 01.06.37 # or rather, a Windows-loser UNIX :-) 01.06.56 # well, just don't want to install linux as dual boot, or in a vmware.. for hte thing i'm doing it's okay and easier i guess... 01.07.09 # let's hope so 01.07.24 # yea we'll see... 01.07.25 # have you started configure? 01.07.38 # yes it's working 01.07.50 # nice 01.08.18 # yes i alkmost can't believe it =) 01.08.40 # so when's the new version available with the icons? *gg 01.10.20 # Linus: I'm hurt... you took the menu functionality out of WPS :( 01.11.02 Nick wodokm is now known as DexterAYS_waitin (wodokm@sunhalle69.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) 01.13.02 # mecraw: i did? 01.13.11 # looks like it 01.13.15 # oops 01.14.13 # i keep very close tabs on the line(s) of code i submit :) 01.14.27 # i removed more than that... :-( 01.15.02 # what else? 01.17.06 # three other patches 01.18.45 # i have commmitted a correct version 01.19.05 # cool 01.19.12 # DexterAYS_waitin: the status code is already in the CVS 01.19.50 # you can enjoy it as soon as you have your compiler ready 01.20.11 # fine... how's the loudness thing done btw, it's not there in archos, right? 01.20.21 # did anyone see this? : http://www.edig.com/news/releases/pr072202.html 01.20.40 # DexterAYS_waitin: the recorder has loudness in the stock firmware as well 01.21.07 # the Player/Studio has no loudness/megabass functionality 01.21.43 # Linus: I do not have the player, does the rockbox firmware add loudness/megabass to the player model? 01.21.59 # ahh, but not the player? 01.22.11 # ah okay. 01.22.23 # elinenbe: no. it's an MP3 codec feature 01.22.29 # Linus: I think megabass is copyright Sony, so we might want to consider another name. SuperBass / UltraBass / GhettoBass / 01.22.41 # Micronas calls it Superbass 01.22.57 # well, so is the MAS DSP changed for that in the recorder? 01.23.24 # yeah, the MP3 codec is very much different in the recorder 01.23.41 # we call it Bass Boost, BTW 01.23.45 # oaky okay i'll get one, enough said. ;-)) 01.23.56 # i have a player and a recorder 01.24.08 # actually, i have a very early Player model 01.24.19 # almost ancient 01.24.29 # so you got double stereo, 4.0 sound + 2 of 4 megabass hahaha 01.24.39 # :-) 01.24.40 # with what firmware built in_ 01.24.45 # ? 01.25.28 # my player has 3.18 01.25.59 # wow - ancient - that's it. you got the word man... 01.26.23 # oh yeah. the LCD is old, but it has åäö 01.26.35 # something your model hasnt 01.26.54 # and it has a hardware controlled backlight timer :-( 01.27.01 # why doesn't the songname display turn (temporarily for that one file) to filename automatically when there's no id3-tag ? 01.27.05 # and a very sensitive OFF button 01.27.24 # huu - now i'm scared =) 01.28.01 # there you have the perfect patch to start with 01.28.23 # speaking of backlight, whens that gonna work on players? 01.28.29 # and what about artist scrolling in the wps 01.28.30 # my player had 3.18 too, and my recorder has 1.17ia 01.28.41 # PsycoXul: doesn't it work on your Player? 01.28.52 # I think all lines should scroll in the WPS 01.29.03 # elinenbe: yeah 01.29.04 # and when's everything gonna work? 01.29.05 # and time display stuff on players/more WPS configurability 01.29.27 # Linus: not unless you recently implimented/fixed/whatever it 01.29.28 # PsycoXul: start working! 01.29.31 # maybe with a header at the beginning of each line file: artist: album: song: time: etc.... 01.29.31 # hehe 01.29.54 # PsycoXul: the backlight is supposed to work 01.30.09 # i implemented that a long time ago 01.30.18 # i'm trying to find the old x.themes.org stuff and all this freshmeat bull sucks... 01.30.21 # is it always on or always off? 01.30.31 # Linus: well i've never seen the backlight on with rockbox on my studio20 01.30.51 # PsycoXul: can you build from CVS? 01.31.08 # sure, lemme reboot the other box 01.32.05 # woo. i better go to bed soon. it's 1:30 am 01.32.31 # i have no backlight also, got the build from yesterday (some hours ago) 01.32.33 # DexterAYS_waitin: how is it going? 01.32.59 # anyone want to take my advance linear algebra exam for me tomorrow? 01.33.03 # still making the gcc.. finished with the binutils.. hope it works ... 01.33.09 # ok 01.33.43 # elienenbe: ummm, hmmmmmm, well, ........... no. 01.33.46 # sorry =) 01.33.51 # PsycoXul: a long time ago, the backlight was always on, right? 01.34.16 # its never been on with rockbox for me 01.34.24 # never ever? 01.34.36 # ok 01.34.45 # open backlight.c 01.34.49 # not when i hacked a call to turn it on in before you guys added it to be... not when you guys did add it... 01.35.27 # ok 01.36.42 # elinenbe: anyway, good luck in yourr exam tomorrow... 01.36.48 # change the PADR |= 0x40 on line 56 to PADR &= ~0x40 01.37.06 # ok 01.37.38 # and do the opposite with the other one on line 65 01.37.46 # DexterAYS: thanks... 01.38.00 # ok... 01.40.11 # /bin/sh mklibgcc > tmp-libgcc.mk 01.40.24 # ^^^^that ones taking a minute now...... ;( 01.40.26 # stange 01.40.37 # strange 01.40.45 # ah it goes on.. 01.41.08 # thought it could hang - it's not rockbox, so.... 01.41.29 # woo icons 01.41.36 # but still no backlight 01.42.13 # i might very well be a silly person. hang on... 01.42.25 # heh 01.43.33 # i'm trying to find my old notes... 01.44.35 # i'd code snake if someone wanted to donate me a recorder? ;-)) 01.45.14 # hmm 01.45.33 # somebody fixed the sound quality 01.45.43 # ? 01.46.32 # i used to get clipping without the trebble turned up several dB past the bass 01.46.47 # pretty much everything sounded like crap untill i set the treble to 14 or 15 01.46.55 # but it sounds good by default now with this build 01.47.34 # woo i can even turn the bass up past the treble without clipping 01.47.39 # i got clipping when volume was 100%, but i don't know if it just was too loud for my amplifier as input signal? 01.47.52 # DexterAYS_waitin: probably 01.47.57 # don't know what it was like with the orig .mod .. gotta test that one... 01.48.01 # the clipping i was getting was at any volume level, even really quiet 01.48.12 # ah okay, i'll check anyway... 01.48.17 # but it sounds good now 01.48.33 Nick DexterAYS_waitin is now known as DexWithSlowPC (wodokm@sunhalle69.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) 01.48.44 # PsycoXul: when was the last time you tested a daily build? 01.48.51 # i didn't even notice any cvs commit messages recently that mentioned anything about this stuff.. 01.49.22 # archos20020718.mod 01.49.29 # wierd 01.49.45 Quit TrEEcH ("ircN 7.27 + 7.0 for mIRC (2002/01/10 00.00)") 01.50.08 # i thought we fixed that a long time ago 01.50.33 # PsycoXul: have you experienced pitch shifts as well? 01.50.36 # then the other day i compiled from cvs and it was the same for sound as that build.. and this new build just fixed it 01.50.51 # Linus: not that i've noticed, no 01.52.25 # what a nightmare 01.52.26 Nick DexWithSlowPC is now known as DexWithFullHD (wodokm@sunhalle69.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) 01.52.29 # heh 01.52.40 Nick DexWithFullHD is now known as Dex (wodokm@sunhalle69.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) 01.52.57 # i announced the backlight timer a long time ago, and nobody has complained until now 01.53.04 # :-( 01.53.17 Nick Dex is now known as DexterAYS (wodokm@sunhalle69.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) 01.53.39 # heh 01.53.58 # PsycoXul: you mentioned that you wrote an own hack for the backlight 01.54.15 # now the last "make install" and it hopefully works (hmmm who knows..) 01.54.18 # the vol meter only goes 'Vol' and 2 bars with the volume all the way up.. there's 2 or 3 still unlit heh 01.54.35 # badness 01.55.41 # Linus: yeah it was a long time ago... back when it was just the browser pretty much, i added a call to turn the backlight on and it didn't work.. i mentioned it at that time 01.56.28 # $ sh-elf-gcc 01.56.28 # ok 01.56.29 # sh-elf-gcc: No input files 01.56.35 # sounds good.. 01.56.35 # great! 01.56.51 # then pretty recently i mentioned that the backlight wasn't coming on, and somebody said it only was working on recorders 01.57.00 # now a simple make in the firmware dir should do? 01.57.21 # DexterAYS: no 01.57.36 # so? 01.57.58 # read firmware/README 01.59.54 # so i need apps, too? 02.00.06 # yes. and tools 02.00.59 # hmm the CVS page on the hp doesn't tell so.. anyway i'll simply do ;) 02.01.29 # the READMe tells you to 02.02.03 # yes, right! that's why i do it now =9 02.02.13 # :-) 02.03.01 # for build i take the build dir from gcc/binutils? or where do i make it? 02.03.29 # PsycoXul: revert your changes in backlight.c 02.03.39 # and use 0x4000 instead of 0x40 02.04.07 # DexterAYS: do like this: 02.04.40 # 1) create a dir called "rockbox" somewhere, preferrably in your home directory 02.04.48 # so 56 should be PADR |= 0x4000; and 65 be PADR &= ~0x4000;? 02.04.59 # PsycoXul: yes 02.05.24 # 1) done. 02.06.00 # 2) check out firmware, tools and apps in that directory 02.06.07 # hmm 02.06.10 # 2) done. 02.06.24 # you should now have rockbox/firmware, rockbox/tools and rockbox/apps 02.06.39 # i'm getting ata: -1 again when i leave usb mode in rockbox btw 02.06.40 # linus: yes, i have, correct. 02.07.19 # PsycoXul: blame Björn for that. his deep sleep patch has caused that 02.07.35 # heh 02.07.36 # DexterAYS: type "make" in the tools dir 02.08.01 # ok still no backlight 02.08.04 # gcc -O -s -ansi scramble.c -o scramble 02.08.04 # gcc -O -s -ansi descramble.c -o descramble 02.08.05 # gcc -O -s -ansi sh2d.c -o sh2d 02.08.09 # that's it. 02.08.42 # good, now create a dir called, for example, rockbox/player 02.08.58 # and i swear that just added a little clipping :p heh i dunno though 02.09.08 # done. 02.09.52 # PsycoXul: that is interesting 02.10.13 # DexterAYS: in that directory, type ../tools/configure 02.11.15 # done. now "nake" in the rockbox/player dir does the rest, right? 02.11.22 # make 02.11.30 # nake, funny ;-) 02.11.36 # yes. you did choose "new player", right? 02.11.52 # new LCD, rite 02.12.01 # type "make" and pray 02.12.25 Nick DexterAYS is now known as DexWaitinAgain (wodokm@sunhalle69.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) 02.12.28 # =) 02.12.57 # linus: btw: how did you find out how the .mod was encrypted? 02.13.18 # Björn did most of that work 02.13.50 # we assumed that the vector table was first in memory 02.14.24 # yeah, but that took some tinme to fuigue out the algo, i guess... 02.14.27 # status.c: In function `status_draw': 02.14.27 # status.c:44: warning: implicit declaration of function `lcd_icon' 02.14.27 # status.c:44: `ICON_BATTERY' undeclared (first use in this function) 02.14.27 DBUG Enqueued KICK DexWaitinAgain 02.14.27 # status.c:44: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once 02.14.27 # status.c:44: for each function it appears in.) 02.14.28 *** Alert Mode level 1 02.14.28 # status.c:46: `ICON_BATTERY_1' undeclared (first use in this function) 02.14.28 # and that has a pretty consistent look 02.14.30 # status.c:50: `ICON_BATTERY_2' undeclared (first use in this function) 02.14.32 *** Alert Mode level 2 02.14.32 # status.c:54: `ICON_BATTERY_3' undeclared (first use in this function) 02.14.34 *** Alert Mode level 3 02.14.34 # status.c:59: `ICON_VOLUME' undeclared (first use in this function) 02.14.36 *** Alert Mode level 4 02.14.36 # status.c:61: `ICON_VOLUME_1' undeclared (first use in this function) 02.14.38 *** Alert Mode level 5 02.14.38 # status.c:65: `ICON_VOLUME_2' undeclared (first use in this function) 02.14.40 *** Alert Mode level 6 02.14.40 # status.c:69: `ICON_VOLUME_3' undeclared (first use in this function) 02.14.42 *** Alert Mode level 7 02.14.42 # status.c:73: `ICON_VOLUME_4' undeclared (first use in this function) 02.14.44 *** Alert Mode level 8 02.14.44 # status.c:77: `ICON_VOLUME_5' undeclared (first use in this function) 02.14.46 *** Alert Mode level 9 02.14.46 # status.c:84: `ICON_PLAY' undeclared (first use in this function) 02.14.48 *** Alert Mode level 10 02.14.48 # status.c:85: `ICON_PAUSE' undeclared (first use in this function) 02.14.50 # make[1]: *** [/home/Administrator/rockbox/player/status.o] Error 1 02.14.50 # heh 02.14.52 # make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Administrator/rockbox/apps' 02.14.54 # make: *** [apps] Error 2 02.15.19 # do "cvs update -dP" in the firmware dir 02.15.29 # ah, i gotta update .. yes. mom 02.16.08 Nick DexWaitinAgain is now known as DexPraying (wodokm@sunhalle69.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) 02.16.08 DBUG Enqueued KICK DexPraying 02.16.08 *** Alert Mode level 11 02.16.42 Nick DexPraying is now known as LinusRules (wodokm@sunhalle69.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) 02.16.42 DBUG Enqueued KICK LinusRules 02.16.42 *** Alert Mode level 12 02.16.51 # c00lness! 02.17.03 Nick LinusRules is now known as DexterAYS (wodokm@sunhalle69.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) 02.17.03 DBUG Enqueued KICK DexterAYS 02.17.03 *** Alert Mode level 13 02.17.21 # cool, now tell me where the pre-settings are (random=off, etc.) ... 02.17.22 # actually, shifting data bits is a pretty common algorithm when it comes to scrambling firmware 02.17.54 # linus: ah, okay, if one knows that... could be anything? xor, rotates, ... 02.17.58 # DexterAYS: check apps/settings.c and .h 02.20.30 # man, i have to go to sleep 02.20.51 # PsycoXul: how is the backlight test going? 02.20.56 # got it, coool... yeah ite, me too.. read u tomorrow... i'll overthink the filename displaying i told u today.. 02.21.07 # i still haven't seen it come on 02.21.37 # even with the 0x4000 fix? 02.21.39 # someone give PsycoXul a light-bulb ;) 02.21.49 # yeah 02.21.57 # ok, add the following line to backlight_init: 02.22.30 # PAIOR |= 0x4000; 02.23.41 # before/after/inbetween what 02.24.06 # before backlight_on() 02.24.17 # ok 02.24.20 # nite Linus and PsycoXul, till tomorrow... 02.24.25 # nite 02.24.26 # night 02.24.30 Part DexterAYS 02.25.40 # hey! 02.25.59 # now i guess i need to do your first fix 02.26.04 # cause it came on after 5 seconds... :p 02.27.04 *** Alert Mode OFF 02.27.47 # there we go 02.28.13 # so it works now? 02.28.15 # yep 02.28.24 # do you have CVS commit access? 02.28.28 # no 02.28.42 # ok. then i'll commit it 02.29.11 # It's Grant, isn't it? 02.29.17 # right 02.30.53 # and it's &= on line 56? 02.31.42 # on 56 we did 02.31.43 # - PADR |= 0x40; 02.31.43 # + PADR &= ~0x4000; 02.31.45 # on 65 02.31.50 # - PADR &= ~0x40; 02.31.50 # + PADR |= 0x4000; 02.31.57 # thx 02.32.59 # committed. please test it 02.34.30 # you could try a different approach, just as a test 02.35.08 # on 56: PAIOR |= 0x4000 02.35.26 # on 65: PAIOR &= ~0x4000 02.35.49 # gah the umount hung 02.36.06 # on 118: PADR &= ~0x4000 02.37.49 # if that works we should do that instead 02.37.51 # well i already know whats in the cvs works since its identical to what i already tried... lemme reboot [ugh] and test that one 02.42.06 # hmm 02.42.09 # that doesn't seem to work 02.43.10 # ok. 02.43.39 # i suspected that there would be a pullup resistor on that pin 02.44.25 # that would have saved us a tiny little bit of battery power 02.44.34 # never mind 02.44.40 # i must hit the sack 02.45.05 # nite 02.45.38 Part Linus 02.45.41 # night, thanks 02.45.41 # doh 02.45.43 # heh 02.49.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.56.48 Quit dwihno|gone (lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02.56.48 NSplit lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 02.58.00 NHeal lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 02.58.00 NJoin dwihno|gone [0] (dwihno@193.180.246.67) 03.04.58 Quit dwihno|gone (lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03.04.58 NSplit lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 03.05.20 NHeal lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 03.05.20 NJoin dwihno|gone [0] (dwihno@193.180.246.67) 03.37.29 Quit mecraw (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.04.38 Join g003y [0] (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) 04.04.53 # psyco - you alive? 04.10.02 # no, but I am! 04.10.10 # heya :D 04.10.37 # I was hoping psyco was alive cuz I experienced a similar error as he did one day 04.10.44 # quite a nasty one too. 04.49.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.57.40 # whats that 04.57.40 Quit g003y (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.22.42 Join dsdfsadf [0] (~blah@ip68-4-92-30.oc.oc.cox.net) 05.22.49 Part dsdfsadf 05.23.09 Join mecraw [0] (~blah@ip68-4-92-30.oc.oc.cox.net) 05.23.21 Part mecraw 05.42.38 Quit Hadaka (lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05.42.38 NSplit lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 05.44.55 NHeal lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 05.44.55 NJoin Hadaka [0] (naked@graywolf.onnanifujiyuu.org) 05.56.40 Join elinenbe2 [0] (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) 05.56.40 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.58.22 Quit USAG33k ("Client Exiting") 06.49.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.08.02 Join mecraw|moving [0] (~mecraw@ip68-4-92-30.oc.oc.cox.net) 08.08.23 Nick mecraw|moving is now known as mecraw (~mecraw@ip68-4-92-30.oc.oc.cox.net) 08.08.32 Part mecraw 08.13.25 Join g003y [0] (~foo@198.144.198.187) 08.24.43 Quit g003y ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 08.25.52 Quit elinenbe2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.49.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.58.18 Join WetFlax [0] (~wettoad@194.95.10.99) 09.02.47 Join aakil [0] (~anon007@adsl-63-195-51-251.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 09.09.36 Join mbr_ [0] (~tiw4mabr@rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de) 09.19.43 Part mbr_ 09.22.10 Join mbr_ [0] (~tiw4mabr@rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de) 09.28.19 Quit WetFlax ("I like core dumps") 09.37.46 Quit aakil (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.06.45 Join Linus [0] (~linus@193.15.23.131) 10.06.53 # todeloo! 10.07.54 # hello 10.08.25 Quit Hadaka (lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10.08.25 NSplit lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 10.08.37 NHeal lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 10.08.37 NJoin Hadaka [0] (naked@graywolf.onnanifujiyuu.org) 10.08.54 Quit Hadaka (lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10.08.59 # backlight still working? :-) 10.09.02 NJoin Hadaka [0] (naked@graywolf.onnanifujiyuu.org) 10.09.05 # hehe 10.09.20 # afaik 10.09.20 # heh 10.14.02 # morning. 10.14.11 # morning 10.14.24 # what a backlog since yesterday. 8-) 10.14.54 # :-) 10.17.42 # i wish g003y could join 10.21.04 # In fact the recorder has the micronas Bass Boost (adding harmonics of bass sounds) and also a 'Super Bass' mode in the Loudness 10.21.23 # ah 10.23.56 # we don't enable the latter yet 10.33.15 Join wettoad [0] (~wettoad@194.95.13.192) 10.34.13 # hi wettoad 10.36.02 # hows it going 10.36.17 # thanks for the awesome well, soon to be awesome product 10.37.07 # :-) 10.39.26 # Heh, i forgot the newlines on the DEBUGF's, i haven't made the serial port mod 8-) 10.42.59 # where are those? 10.45.35 # The ones you fixed last night. 10.45.43 # Just browsing through the CVS changes. 10.45.47 # ah 10.46.38 Ctcp Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 2 minutes and 36 seconds at the last flood 10.46.38 # * Linus gets some coffee 10.49.08 # * Hes hooks up the USB to try out the Automatic Volume Correction code 10.49.16 # wow! 10.50.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.51.56 # And it works !!! 10.52.54 # coooooooooooool! 10.52.57 # Still have to reset it on track change. 10.53.09 # Where in the code path should I insert that? 10.53.16 # one call to sound_set() 10.53.29 # which should happen exactly after a new track has started playing 10.53.45 # ouch 10.54.03 # how exact must it be? 10.55.03 # Most important is that it happens after the new track has started 10.55.29 # would be good (but not compulsory) to reset the AVC internal variables after a new track has started 10.55.53 # I doubt I'll be using AVC, even with 8s decay time i find the pumping effect annoying. 10.56.11 Quit edx () 10.56.29 # Hes: not really a surprise, is it? 10.56.57 # Definetely not. 10.57.09 # But I'm sure some people will enjoy it. 10.57.18 # yeah 10.57.36 # about the track change, it is a little trycky 10.57.38 # tricky 10.57.40 # Many people do listen to NRJ-like hit music only, deeply compressed radio stations 10.57.47 # I thought it would be. 8-) 10.58.15 # you see, only the dma interrupt knows about the track changes 10.58.45 # When is the WPS display changed? 10.58.47 # and it is aware of them slightly before the track actually changes 10.59.11 # Food 10.59.47 # i guiess i have to attack the track change problem once and for all 11.01.17 Join edx [0] (OKE60@fapc.kph.uni-mainz.de) 11.01.22 # hi edx! 11.01.33 # hi 11.03.33 # Hes just tested his Auto Volume Correction code! 11.14.51 Join yro [0] (~yves@212.155.209.139) 11.14.58 # yo yro! 11.15.24 Quit edx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.16.00 Join edx [0] (OKE60@fapc.kph.uni-mainz.de) 11.17.23 # Yo Linus 11.17.29 # Linus: what exactly does Auto Volume Correction? 11.19.09 # it adjusts the volume dynamically 11.20.11 # Kind of a normalizer ? 11.20.27 # sort of 11.20.29 Join fridolin [0] (~chatzilla@wlan010.tzl.mu-luebeck.de) 11.20.37 # hej fridolin! 11.20.43 # hi ! 11.21.16 # i've been watching you (the mailing-list) for a while now... 11.21.37 # writing my diploma let me spend only little time on private things. 11.21.38 # oh no! we aree being watched! 11.21.47 # :-) 11.22.08 # rockbox rocks ... 11.22.42 # i was surprised how fast development started to bring out first running versions ! 11.22.54 # * edx too ;) 11.23.17 # let's just say that we enjoy it so much that we can't stop! 11.23.24 # now i wonder if it could be possible to implement an ogg vorbis decoder on the mp3 decoding dsp in the archos. 11.23.34 # yes and no 11.23.51 # yes, the mp3 chip is programmable 11.23.59 # is it the same chip in all models or dos the recorder use another one than the player ? 11.24.11 # but not documented, i know... 11.24.16 # not that 11.24.49 # well i programmed a TI dsp for my diploma thesis. 11.24.52 # the amount of RAM for DSP code is very small 11.25.03 # thats what i expected... 11.25.22 # and i don't know anything about ogg vorbis (yet) 11.25.47 # and as far as i know, the Ogg is floating point based, isn't it? 11.25.57 # not very suitable for a DSP 11.26.09 # maybe - i really don't know anything about it yet. 11.26.19 # but i'll have a look. 11.26.44 # the one i programmes for the last month was a floating point dsp... (very comfortable :-)) 11.27.07 # is there anyone who already had a (closer) look at the dsp ? 11.28.33 # no 11.29.11 # i have heard rumours that it is motorola based 11.30.49 # i just had a short stop at xiph.org/ogg/vorbis 11.31.30 # there seems to be quite a lot of math in ogg vorbis but i don't know if floats are really necessary. 11.32.15 # http://www.vorbis.com/faq.psp#fpsupport 11.32.23 # i'll try to find out more about the format and the dsp and then come back here later. 11.33.24 Join dc-ru [0] (fiftyfour@cs24243154-109.houston.rr.com) 11.33.35 # ok... there is an integer version, but it is not royality free. 11.33.51 # so we'll have to build one on or own ;-) 11.35.04 # i'll go get some documentation. 11.38.41 # i tjought there was a kind of timetable on the web-site telling when you are usually on this channel but i can't find it now. 11.38.54 # when are you here usually ? 11.39.19 Quit fridolin ("ChatZilla 0.8.8 [Mozilla rv:1.1b/20020722]") 11.39.59 Join fridolin [0] (~chatzilla@141.83.143.74) 11.40.52 # i am usually here daytime CET 11.41.34 # oops i los my mozilla :-o 11.41.59 # ok. i'll come back in a few days... 11.42.10 # fridolin: if you create a fixed-point, free Ogg decoder, your will be somewhat of a hero 11.42.20 # :-) 11.42.44 # maybe someone will help... 11.42.45 # there are IRC logs at the rockbox home page 11.42.55 # i saw them. 11.43.08 # and i`ll grep for dsp and ogg on them... 11.43.17 # maybe we could gather some statistics from them... 11.43.30 # to see when people usually are on 11.43.41 # ok. bye for now. i'll be back... 11.43.53 # i will continue wathing you ;-) 11.44.18 # bye! 11.59.15 Join MeRWiN [0] (~merwin@12-230-192-86.client.attbi.com) 11.59.23 # hi MeRWiN! 11.59.33 # Hi! 11.59.35 # :P 12.01.09 # so, nobody awake here? 12.02.25 # Kind of, but at work unfortunately.... 12.02.40 # same here 12.04.43 # hmm... only 3 am where i am 12.05.06 # I was damn surprised to come to the rockbox page today and see the progress on the project. It's flying :) 12.06.15 # and still it's summer, and vacation time! 12.06.26 # for some, that is... :-( 12.06.56 # It's working great on my jb... It's a damn good job, this project... 12.07.02 # heh. It's a grand project. Too bad Archos (and most other hardware developers) don't put enough time into updating their software. 12.08.07 # well, one has to understand them... 12.08.20 # time is money 12.08.58 # they don't have the resources to pay people to keep updating the software 12.09.11 # they're spending all of their time pumping out new hardware 12.09.47 # Anyone has looked the new archos (w/ avi rec/play) ? 12.10.06 # not me 12.10.34 # So this new software (i'm lookin' at the daily build) doesn't save it's settings? (ie: displaying filename instead of id3) 12.12.00 # you mean that the wps setting isn't saved? 12.12.51 # oooh, hold on... i think i just updated the software 12.12.55 # i'll doublecheck :) 12.13.14 # I especially like the m3u support... that one is a must 12.14.27 # Linus: yeah, the WPS isn't being saved 12.14.42 # badness 12.14.43 # it goes right back to the id3 12.14.59 # It isn't ? 12.15.02 # Strange. 12.15.09 # Is this on the recorder? 12.15.12 # hang on. you are using a recorder, right? 12.15.14 # the player 12.15.31 # Settings are not saved on the player at all (over a reboot) 12.15.35 # the player version doesn't save settings at all 12.15.41 # ahh 12.15.45 # yet 12.15.46 # (not to nag) having the feature of the remaining time of a song would be cool 12.15.59 # MeRWiN: are you a coder? 12.16.14 # The disk writing would be really good to have tested 12.16.21 # maybe i'll try it out some night. 12.16.22 # Linus: I am better at revising code and adding onto it then creating from scratch 12.16.38 # help /name 12.16.44 # oops... 12.17.04 # I haven't had the patience to learn OOP either... i just know standard C,VB,PHP :) 12.17.07 # MeRWiN: the WPS screen on the player isn't very good today 12.17.26 Quit dc-ru (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.17.28 # MeRWiN: not having learned OOP is a blessing, IMHO 12.17.41 # Linus: hah... so can this code be compiled on Win32? 12.17.58 # yes, we have win32 simulator 12.18.20 # or you mean the firmware? 12.18.28 # Linus: but does compiling the firmware work under win32? 12.18.35 # yes it does 12.18.44 # install cygwin and build a cross compiler 12.19.35 Part fridolin 12.19.36 # I may play with setting that up on my computer... it'd be a good project for all of the long flights that i take :) 12.20.27 # why do I see autoexec.bat and answer.txt on the screen with the sim? those aren't in the archos folder that i created :) 12.20.43 # http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/cross-gcc.html 12.20.46 # you do? 12.21.16 # yup 12.21.58 # I put the sim in a folder, made an archos folder, put the archos.mod in that folder and booted up the sim. 12.22.50 # you don't need the archos.mod file 12.23.30 # can you use the mod file with the sim? 12.23.40 # no, the sim is standalone 12.23.53 # in either case it's going to the c:\ folder to start up 12.27.47 # i have never used the win32 simulator 12.28.07 # edx: how is it supposed to work? 12.31.20 # Mailed the AVC patch now. 12.32.01 # way to go. how did you solve the sound_set() call? 12.32.13 Nick yro is now known as yro|lunch (~yves@212.155.209.139) 12.32.16 # I didn't. 12.32.21 # It works quite well as it is. 12.33.24 # Maybe when going to a loud track to a quiet track with 8s decay time set it would be nice to do the reset. 12.35.55 # It turns the volume down quickly anyway, decay time tells how long it takes before volume is slided up again 12.36.14 # When is the WPS display changed? 12.36.28 # So am I right by saying that the firmware size for the Player can be anywhere up to 200k? 12.36.34 # it is changed when the ID3 info changes 12.36.46 # MeRWiN: at the moment yes 12.37.31 # and ID3 info changes when a new id3 tag is found? 12.37.36 # or? 12.37.54 # re 12.38.00 # I09:CPUAdrEr at 0900A4CA 12.38.08 # it just died at track change. 12.38.24 # Hes: the ID3 info changes when the DMA interrupt recognizes a track change 12.38.25 # red led flashing at ~1hz 12.39.05 # And at that point.. has the previous track stopped playing for sure? 12.39.08 # Hes: i wish i knew what causes those crashes 12.39.25 # Hes: no, it hasn't stopped playing for sure 12.39.33 # hm. 12.39.55 # i'll have to fix that once and for all 12.40.23 # why didn't you use set_sound()? 12.41.00 # I have a set of options (off, 2s, 4s, 8s) instead of an integer to set 12.41.03 Join Electrocut [0] (Electrocut@rennes-1-a7-62-147-96-3.dial.proxad.net) 12.41.23 # aha. 12.41.41 # lo :) 12.41.45 # The AVC control register only has those settings, plus a 20ms setting 12.41.46 # is remoclone at present working ? 12.41.56 # i don't know 12.41.59 # i guess so 12.42.14 # :/ 12.43.13 # The crashes always seem to happen at track change for me 12.43.34 # can you repeat it? 12.43.48 # Nope. 12.43.56 # of course... :-( 12.43.57 # I'll try to look for a pattern. 12.44.08 # i 'd try it this afternoon ... but if it doesn't work' i dont know if i 'll buy my pic16F84 12.44.08 # nobody had tried it here ? 12.44.40 # i don't think anybody but Tjerk has tried it 12.45.08 Join WetFlax [0] (~wettoad@194.95.10.99) 12.45.19 # ok i 'll try to talk with it ... thanks 12.45.47 # -scuse me i don't speak US very well ...- 12.46.01 # :-) 12.46.45 # Last night I played with the idea of keeping simple stats of the battery voltage 12.46.46 # see u later :) 12.46.54 Quit Electrocut ("+") 12.47.04 # Hes: you mean to keep track of battery life? 12.47.07 # maybe a thread (or a piece of code in an existing thread) putting the voltage in a table every minute or so. 12.47.29 # And then a debug menu item to draw a graph of the voltage 8-) 12.47.43 # cool thing for sure 12.47.44 # It should be easy to detect from the stats when the battery is fully charged 12.48.01 # and stop charging 12.48.59 # yeah. as soon as the voltage stops increasing, the battery is full 12.49.13 # And maybe keep a sliding average (unix-load-average-like) of the voltage when the disk I/O stops working to determine and predict the 'empty' condition 12.49.23 # the sliding average could be saved in the config block 12.50.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.50.10 # and maybe a sliding average of the 'full' voltage level too to predict the time of charging/discharging time left 12.51.03 # Would you think a new thread should be used, or could this be on another thread? It would basically sleep for most of the time (a minute or something) and then do just a little work. 12.51.26 # i think a new thread is in place 12.51.50 Quit WetFlax ("I like core dumps") 12.52.10 # How accurate is sleep() and how often does a thread get CPU time on average? I guess there is a lot of variation there? 12.52.25 # Hes: it varies a lot 12.52.37 # and is there a way to measure time on the players, except for sleep()? 12.52.57 # not really 12.52.57 # It doesn't matter much in this case, though. 12.53.11 # but you can keep track of time with the current_tick counter 12.53.57 # Seems like the archos firmware does not stop charging, ever. 12.54.04 # it does 12.54.10 # on the recorder 12.54.13 # Oh. 12.54.22 # Does it show? 12.54.32 # the players don't have a software controlled charger 12.54.38 # what does WPS stand for? 12.54.47 # Words per second 12.54.52 # While Playing Screen (rather silly, actually) 12.55.12 # Hes: it says "Battery charged" 12.55.24 # Oh. 12.55.28 # Does the player ever stop charging though? 12.55.31 # Didn't notice that yet. 8-) 12.55.32 # no 12.55.49 # Dunno if I ever charged it fully then. 12.55.51 # Linus: that may be why archos freely sends out batteries to customers :) 12.56.04 # Hes: you batteries may never reach the Full voltage level 12.56.26 # MeRWiN: that is possible 12.56.33 # They do? 8-) 12.56.36 # hm 12.56.50 # the charging rate is too slow to accurately detect the full status 12.57.33 # hes: I called customer support and asked them why the player was saying "HD Error" and they said "oh, the batteries are probably bad now. We'll send you some new ones) 12.57.42 # Hes: every unit is delivered with two sets of batteries 12.58.02 # I think my recorder only had one set. 12.58.12 # really? 12.58.24 # My player only came with one when i bought it 12.58.41 # lots of people have received two sets 12.58.49 # Yes. And i'm sure i got the whole package, it hadn't been opened before. A recorder 20. 12.59.13 # strange. i got two sets with my Player, and two with my rec20 12.59.15 # I received two 12.59.20 # Linus: They are shipping all of them with 2 now (that's what I was told at least) 12.59.35 # Strange. 12.59.49 # and it isn't a new thing either 12.59.58 # is changing the batteries difficult? I have never tried :) 13.00.28 # trivial 13.00.35 # on the recorder atleast 13.01.07 # the difficult part is to know when to shut off the charger 13.02.02 # if you continue charging when the batteries are fill, they will wear out faster 13.02.25 # I wonder how the archos firmware handles that on the recorder 13.02.53 # i am very sure that they stop when they reach a certain voltage level 13.03.01 # I guess the battery thread would go to the firmware. battery.c or so. 13.03.15 # power.c meybe? 13.03.26 # yeah. 13.03.57 # the charging rate is too slow to depend on negative-delta or zero-delta detection 13.04.01 # straight out of the archos faq: 13.04.01 # 14. Can I overcharge the NiMH batteries? 13.04.01 # No, because that may affect its performance. 13.04.27 # what a silly answer 13.04.36 # I'll do the graph and a manual charger to start with. 13.04.37 # it's ambiguous 13.05.43 # Linus: corporate lingo... be as ambiguous as possible, while still being able to satisfy the customer 13.06.04 # the question is silly too 13.07.34 # Hes: remember, only the recorder can control the charger 13.07.43 # time for lunch 13.07.52 Nick Linus is now known as Linus|lunch (~linus@193.15.23.131) 13.08.45 # ok... 13.09.30 # There's already a power.c & power.h in drivers/ 13.10.01 Nick yro|lunch is now known as yro (~yves@212.155.209.139) 13.10.42 Join wodokm [0] (wodokm@sunhalle69.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) 13.10.57 # mornin' dudes.. 13.11.10 # So is the line-in jack on the player basically connected to nothing? 13.18.23 Join Evil_Mind [0] (~StealthWa@212.199.34.82) 13.20.06 # hi.... 13.20.46 # ej 13.23.10 # the last changes in the rockbox are really good.... 13.23.34 # the light...battery status..... 13.25.09 # but ther's still a problem...the sound is not clean....i hear many poping and ticking while playeing... 13.25.28 # are you aware to this bug? 13.27.07 # Evil_Mind: I think they're all away right now :) Do you have this problem with every song played? 13.27.08 # hmm 13.27.16 # u sure the mp3 is not corrupt ? 13.28.14 # Evil_Mind: works fine on my mp3s... this happens often with bad ripped mp3s... 13.28.50 # Evil_Mind: I second wodokm's opinion. I haven't had any problems either. It's probably the MP3's themselves. You could try playing them on your computer and see if it does the same thing 13.29.48 # welp, time for me to hit the sack... ttyl 13.29.55 Quit MeRWiN () 13.30.14 # need help on cygwin: where can i set the path to the sh-elf-gcc compiler forever so i don't have to set it everytime i start cygwin (some bash.c or whatever..)? 13.31.05 # .profile/.bashrc in your 'home' directory (whereever bash starts up) 13.31.24 # put the export PATH=$PATH:/blah stuff in that file 13.31.37 # hes: hi, good mornin' ;) 13.31.44 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) 13.33.12 # no ....when i play them on the computer they sound fine 13.33.22 # i have studio 10 13.34.22 # hes: thanks. it was .profile 13.35.00 # Evil_Mind: send me one, i'd like to test (wodokm@in.tum.de) 13.35.24 # send what? 13.35.28 # file? 13.35.35 # the mp3, yes 13.36.45 # i think mybe its the bass... 13.36.53 # whats the optimal bass level? 13.40.33 # it even happens with the Pre Inserted Mp3 that came with the JB 13.41.37 # and when i use the default frimware it plays it right.... 13.44.59 Join dc-ru [0] (~fiftyfour@cs24243154-109.houston.rr.com) 13.48.20 Nick Linus|lunch is now known as Linus (~linus@193.15.23.131) 13.48.39 # Evil_Mind: have you tried to increase the treble way up? 13.50.39 # no 13.50.56 # please try that and tell me if there is a change 13.52.47 # hi linus, compilibg / cvs etc. works fine... 13.52.59 # yes! 13.53.16 # there is a change... 13.54.24 # i think its ok now... 13.54.35 # i don't like this 13.54.45 # what? 13.54.59 # your audio problems 13.55.08 # Evil_Mind: what version are you using? 13.55.09 # why...? 13.55.25 # Evil_Mind: not all people have the problems 13.55.27 # version of rockbox? 13.55.32 # yes 13.55.32 # yes 13.56.11 # the daily build... 13.56.32 # todays build 13.56.53 # 07/23? 13.56.57 # yes 13.57.10 # strange... 13.57.34 # i had the same problem but it cleared up just in the last day or so 13.57.53 # at 12 Db treble i think its ok....less then that it sound ticking.... 13.58.26 # yeah 13.59.13 # you had the same problem? 14.00.39 # linus: volume bar only updates in file-selector, not when i change the volume in the menu... 14.01.27 # wodokm: i know, i haven't fixed that yet 14.02.30 # linus: when stopping from play, then playing again it goes into pause mode, and revers (when paused, then stop then play again it goes into play mode..) 14.03.23 # the max lines for the volume is 2.... 14.03.34 # Evil_Mind: not anymore 14.04.37 # do u update the daily build every time that u add something? 14.04.57 # Evil_Mind: no, it is automatically built every morning 14.05.19 # so why "not anymore"? 14.05.47 # in my Jb there is only 2 lines of volume..... 14.05.51 # because i have fixed it. 14.05.55 # today 14.06.12 # but it won't be in the daily build until tomorrow 14.06.20 # oh..ok... 14.06.30 # got it 14.07.12 # how would we want the PLAY/STOP keys to work? 14.07.33 # PLAY toggles between play and pause 14.07.46 # yes... 14.07.51 # what do we want to happen when we press STOP in WPS? 14.07.59 # WPS=? 14.08.00 # 1) stop and quit the WPS 14.08.09 # Evil_Mind: While Playing Screen 14.08.16 # thnx 14.08.17 # 2) stop and stay in wps 14.08.44 # linus: i think changing from WPS to FILES with ON is quite a good idea!! 14.08.56 # i would go for alternative 1 14.09.16 # i'm with wodokm 14.09.38 # but ON already goes to FILES 14.09.49 # i am talking about STOP 14.09.57 Quit elinenbe ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 14.10.48 # today it does like alternative 2 14.11.13 # but it doesn't correctly handle the PLAY key then 14.11.36 # right.. 14.11.37 # do you follow me? 14.11.38 # linus: i know what you're talking bout, i wanted to say that the NORMAL key to switching WPS<->FILES is and should be ON, and what happens with STOP should be not too much important... but well, hmm let's thin kabout it... 14.11.51 # i think option 1 is better... 14.12.05 # linus: right, i told you some lines before... (that STOP doesnt handle right.) 14.12.07 # me too. why stay in WPS when you have stopped the music? 14.12.21 # wodokm: that is why i brought up the question 14.12.40 # linus: yes, option 1, something like a REAL stop should happen, so it's like PAUSE _AND_ ON key.. 14.12.54 # i go for that 14.13.47 # linus: for me it seems you bring moe volume out of the jb than archos, but it seems clipped sometime when volume=100%... archos-vol100% seems to be rockbox-vol70-80% ? 14.13.55 # question...: what's the "rockbox info" in the menu for? 14.14.43 # Maybe the info menu item should be disabled on the player while it's empty. 14.15.03 # On the recorder it just shows how many times the device has been booted in rockbox without booting to the archos firmware in between. 14.15.23 # why u need this? 14.15.26 # In the future it'll show things like amount of disk space free 14.15.39 # and a lot more 14.15.45 # estimated battery life left 14.15.48 Join Electrocut [0] (Electrocut@rennes-1-a7-62-147-97-143.dial.proxad.net) 14.15.52 # and things like that. 14.16.03 # re 14.16.19 # The boot counter was just an experiment i thought fun to do. 14.16.35 # I'm going to do uptime storage some time too. 14.16.43 # hes: then so the complete playtime also... 14.17.10 # Useless but geeky and interesting. 14.17.27 # wodokm: we have taken all the measures we can think of to prevent clipping, according to the data sheets... 14.17.39 # that is why i don't like that people still have problems 14.18.08 # linus: but in fact you really get moe power out of the jb? (seems to me you are!) 14.18.18 # like me?....(; 14.18.21 # Linus: not on recorder though, we don't limit volume + max(bass + treble) + loudnesss 14.18.34 # hes: got the player 14.18.52 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) 14.18.53 # Hes: nut yet 14.19.34 # linus: should i sample some volumes (same song), from archos.mod and rockbox.mod to compare it and check clipping? 14.19.40 # Even more puzzing is that only some people have clipping problems 14.20.10 # puzzling 14.20.34 # linus: maybe that's why archos can't go so loud? (or is it really ear-prevention with 100db?) 14.20.48 # hum rockbox.mod saturate in bass 14.21.37 # saturate? 14.22.00 # "saturer" in french ... 14.22.11 # saturation 14.22.30 # the sond goes bad when it 's to high ... 14.22.54 # saturate... fill the space, drive to the max 14.23.20 # linus: should i test? i'm used to that, weD've developed a sound system for game boy, i tested enough sammpling and looking at the wave stuff ;-) 14.23.37 # wodokm: do so 14.24.48 # okay, i'm kinda interesed in that point now.. 14.25.45 Quit elinenbe ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 14.28.22 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) 14.28.56 # is it possible that only Studio users have sound clipping problems? 14.29.23 # has nobody tried remoclone except Tjerk ? i've e few questions about it 14.29.33 # nobody 14.29.47 # questions about the PIC code? 14.29.53 # :( 14.30.10 # yes ... i don't kwnow if it work 14.30.38 # and if i can use a 16F84 instead of 16LF84 ... for first 14.31.09 # the remote protocol is nothing but a simple serial port 14.31.09 Quit yro ("ircII EPIC4-1.1.5 -- Are we there yet?") 14.31.18 # 9600 bps 14.31.22 # 8n1 14.31.27 Quit elinenbe (Client Quit) 14.31.51 # only that it uses 3V logic instead if -10/+10V 14.31.56 # thanks Linus ... i'll try with my pc to begin with 14.32.06 # watch out! 14.32.13 # you need a voltage converter 14.32.38 # i know ... or i will burn my archos :) 14.32.51 # good 14.32.58 # :) 14.33.07 # read the research notes on the home page 14.33.44 # http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/notes.html 14.33.44 # i 've read them :) 14.33.44 # ok 14.34.04 # I keep wondering about the fuse's PIC positions ... 14.34.05 # and remember, Rockbox doesn't listen to the remote 14.34.18 # they are not mentionned anywhere 14.34.39 # ok 14.35.26 # i've a newbi question about qbasic : 14.35.56 # how do u do a "10ms wait" for example ? 14.36.14 # in qbasic? i don't think you do 14.36.36 # yes in qbasic 14.36.40 # if you are talking about the qbasic i know about 14.37.02 # sorry ... 14.37.55 # i'm going to try ... 14.39.13 Quit Electrocut ("bye") 14.39.34 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) 14.43.36 Join yro [0] (~yves@ns1.alcove-solutions.com) 14.48.40 Quit Evil_Mind ("Bah bye ya'll......") 14.50.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.58.10 Join jedix [0] (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) 14.58.39 # hi jedix! 15.03.06 # hey 15.03.16 # hows it going? 15.06.25 # well, ok, i guess 15.06.37 # jedix: what archos model do you have? 15.07.46 # i don't 15.07.54 # I was just working with the simulator 15.07.59 # :/ 15.08.09 # don't have the money right now.. 15.11.54 # aha 15.24.11 Join Fridolin [0] (~Fridolin@wlan010.tzl.mu-luebeck.de) 15.27.28 Quit Fridolin (Client Quit) 15.29.27 # linus: wanna get the 2 waves i recorded? could be interesting for u 15.29.41 # are they large? 15.29.54 # wodokm: do you have clipping problems? 15.30.13 # 30MB & 20 MB, but i can MP3 them hehehe 15.30.21 # gosh! 15.30.49 # i can make u a screenshot, too with both compared but if you wanna hear the clipping... 15.31.03 # are you able to put them on an FTP server or something? 15.31.12 # well the clipping is only with the 100%, so it's the only thing you'd need as wave? 15.31.24 # http, sure.. so, mp3? 15.31.32 # no, raw 15.31.51 # hmm i guess mono would be enough? 15.31.58 # yeah 15.33.37 # are you using earphones when listening to the Player? 15.33.37 # i'm upping 15.33.48 # no, my amplifier 15.34.06 # from the Ear output? 15.34.31 # it's not like clipping when watching the samples, it's like there'd be a sawtooth modulated over it, strange, but you'll see... 15.34.35 # yes 15.34.59 # always use(d) the ear out, the line out sounds so thin... 15.35.41 # the clipping should be present on the Line out as well. is it? 15.36.39 # anyway cool you get the output much louder, even the (undistorted) 90% volume is louder than archos 100% ... 15.36.54 # ...rockbox 80% is a little louder rthan archos 100%.. wow! 15.37.09 # i'll check the line out also... 15.37.43 # yeah. that is very vital information 15.38.26 Join Moofle [0] (~lucas@195.101.176.125) 15.38.34 # hi Moofle! 15.38.58 # hi 15.42.32 Quit dc-ru (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.43.51 # Ahh, a progressing, auto-scaling graph display of a table. 15.44.18 # c0000l... 15.44.22 # (of an increasing integer, increased by the thread... now just put the voltage in there and i'm done) 15.45.52 # btw... rockbox still doesn't go to usb mode while in the menus 15.46.02 # need to be in the directory list 15.46.03 # linus: also the line-out is louder on rockbox... quality seems the same to me 15.46.33 # Hes: right. the menu code has no USB_CONNECTED message handling 15.46.48 # the same...that is clipping? 15.47.03 # linus: and when you're working on that, turn the USB lcd-icon on ;) 15.47.17 # wodokm: really? 15.47.25 # linus: no the same as archos... i don't hear clipping on line-out 15.47.35 # but only louder... 15.47.56 # ok. so the clipping is not generated by the decoder. that is very interesting 15.48.07 # wodokm: can you build now? 15.49.44 # linus: yeea, i'm king, i can build hehe 15.50.08 # maybe just because it's too loud? and the ear-out can't go this loud? 15.50.37 # This is really cool. Made it update the voltage history every two seconds (for debugging) 15.50.55 # seeing the voltage vary by the backlight & spinning disk looks cool 15.51.16 # hes: yeah and now use the volume meter (on player) for a level-meter ;-))) 15.51.16 # nicely autoranges between 5.05 and 5.12 volts 15.51.44 # now dropped sharply to 5.01 when the disk spinned up 15.52.08 # hes: such a dsipaly is cool, really seeing what's going on... 15.52.30 # the debug display for recorder is even cooler :P 15.52.32 # unless you have an oscilloscope... :-) 15.52.48 # Whaou, nice crash of my rockbox... 15.53.10 # A couple days ago i tried adding peak level to the WPS, just like the voltage display 15.53.21 # i had an old osci once, and connected it to my line-out of my amiga, left to x, right to y, that rocked !! 15.53.33 # it worked but if I made it update the display too often to get a good-looking jumping effect, playback stalled 15.54.10 # linus: damn the wodok.de server suxx on uploading big files... 15.54.15 # While listening music (of course), I have a "I09CPUAdrE at 0900718A" CVS from today... 15.54.39 # yro: can you remember if it happened at the end of a song? 15.55.14 Join Electrocut [0] (Electrocut@rennes-1-a7-62-147-97-128.dial.proxad.net) 15.56.03 # Hum, no sure, but I don't think so... 15.56.53 # Really not sure, actually, I can't tell... 15.57.53 # I'm with the power cable plugged. I don't know if it's related though 15.59.36 Quit mbr_ (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 16.02.15 # yro: recorder or player? 16.04.56 # JB Studio 20, I was in playlist shuffle on 16.05.26 # I can try to play this song again, but not in playlist mode (1500+ songs in it...) 16.06.00 Join Trocut [0] (Electrocut@rennes-1-a7-62-147-98-223.dial.proxad.net) 16.09.06 # these no timeout ? i'm disconnected from "electrocut" since 5 minutes 16.09.09 # i have an idea about the source of the problem... 16.09.41 # Linus: which is? 16.09.55 # the ID3 info is updated in an interrupt 16.10.26 # if the interrupt alters the info at the wrong time, bad things could happen 16.11.32 # ;-) ok 16.15.45 Quit Trocut () 16.18.58 # adsl suxx ;) upsteam's so slow.. 16.22.37 # Linus: was the AVC patch ok? 16.22.49 # i think so 16.22.55 # i havent come to that yet 16.25.36 # linus: the upload stocks all the time.. i'll tell you when i've got it on complete.. maybe not today.. 16.27.28 # wodokm: no problem 16.29.20 Quit Electrocut (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.31.52 # linus: did u guys disasm the volume setting routine of archos? 16.33.41 # no 16.37.44 # ... now i upload to my university account, maybe that works bette... 16.37.47 # better 16.43.05 Join mbr_ [0] (~tiw4mabr@rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de) 16.50.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.13.06 # linus: both archos files aer already complete, get them here: http://home.in.tum.de/~wodokm/rockbox/ 17.13.15 # the rockbox's still uploading... 17.13.31 # ok 17.13.33 # (i'm playing pinball illusions while uploading now ,-) 17.13.39 # hehe 17.22.07 Join dc-ru [0] (fiftyfour@cs24243154-109.houston.rr.com) 17.24.00 # i have committed a change in mpeg.c that *could* fix the CPUAdr: problem 17.24.21 # "could" as in "might" 17.29.11 # you can d/l the rockbox-60-70-... wav ow... 17.32.53 Quit yro ("ircII EPIC4-1.1.5 -- Are we there yet?") 17.36.20 # okay, there're all up now... enjoy (hahaha;-) 17.36.28 # i'm off for today, see ya dudes. 17.36.43 Part wodokm 17.36.44 Join aakil [0] (~anon007@adsl-63-195-51-251.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 17.36.58 Join mecraw12 [0] (~blah@68.4.92.30) 17.38.36 # yo mecraw12 17.39.56 Nick mecraw12 is now known as mecraw (~blah@68.4.92.30) 17.40.02 # good morning! 17.40.14 # good evening 17.40.35 # or rather, good afternoon 17.40.43 # anything interesting going on? 17.42.02 # i am researching the clipping problems some people have 17.49.16 # damn. i have to reboot my machine. 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Thats a bug 23.20.27 # I'm sure there is a better way 23.20.36 # can it be handled in button.c instead? 23.20.37 # anyway, it works, and will continue working until we have a "better" solution 23.20.43 # mecraw12: yeah 23.20.51 # I was looking at button.c 23.20.54 # i actually received a patch that solved it in button.c 23.20.58 # but I usually don't muck in there 23.21.20 # but that patch wasn't all that nice either 23.21.33 # what was wrong with the button.c patch? 23.21.37 # and i kind of forgot about it when i went on vacation 23.21.51 # it hijacked the ON key 23.21.54 # I just needed something now hence my primitive attempt at hold 23.22.14 # g003y: that's the way to go 23.22.32 # it works 23.22.43 # it will be better once we start using key combos as well 23.23.04 # what a coincidence 23.23.13 # i was just thinking about that 23.23.19 # heh 23.23.33 # i wanted to do combos for the volume control on the Player 23.24.01 # do you guys have any good ideas on which keys to use 23.24.17 # we could go with Archos selections 23.24.43 # that would probably be the best 23.24.56 # but then we must have another way of leaving the WPS 23.25.48 # or we have to distinguish between key-up and key-down 23.26.18 # wait.... 23.26.20 # we can 23.26.33 # the wps polls the keys 23.27.05 # it can wait until ON is released before leaving the wps 23.27.59 # testing... 23.28.13 # (god i love gdb) 23.29.07 # hehehe. this will work 23.33.11 # cool 23.37.42 # alright time to doing some latest build testing 23.39.16 Join afrm-hck [0] (afrm-hck@65.167.48.219) 23.39.20 Part afrm-hck 23.40.11 Quit jedix (Connection timed out) 23.42.42 # c 23.44.08 # linus: I meant to mention it before. When I got that CPU error that you may have fixed. It appeared to be on a track change when playing straight from a directory (not a playlist). 23.44.48 # yeah, actually it doesn't matter 23.45.16 # ok... we will see how it fares then :) 23.45.18 # if my theory is correct, it has to do with odd file lengths and bad luck 23.45.24 # heh 23.45.29 # bad luck :) 23.51.01 # damn. it is harder than i expected 23.51.09 # (the button combos) 23.53.21 # well you're a smart guy :D 23.55.26 # hehe 23.55.39 # we need to rethink the button concept a little 23.56.10 # i could have solved it if wps didn't poll the keys 23.56.40 # so maybe we have to go back and rework that bit 23.56.47 # if we can 23.56.53 # sure we can 23.57.11 # we need to keep track of UP and DOWN events 23.57.26 # ahh... good ol' events instead of polling 23.57.39 # ?? 23.57.42 # sort of 23.58.35 # tree.c also polls for the button press 23.58.51 # does it? 23.59.08 # i thought it did button_get(true) 23.59.18 # oh sorry... you're right