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00.00.29 #       <Linus> louder and more bass with stock firmware?
00.00.39 #       <mistaRx> yeah
00.00.51 #       <mistaRx> with no distortion
00.01.22 #       <Linus> ok, and you mean louder as in loud, not louder in percent?
00.01.54 #       <mistaRx> in loud, not louder in percent
00.02.04 #       <Linus> most people say that the stock firmware has a lower max volume that rockbox
00.03.08 #       <mistaRx> that may be true but I still think u get distortion at lower levels on the rockbox
00.04.44 #       <Linus> ok, try downloading again (new test)
00.05.18 #       <mistaRx> with sound improvements?!
00.05.24 #       <mistaRx> or what?!
00.05.30 #       <Linus> of course
00.05.42 #       <mistaRx> najs!
00.05.48 #       <Linus> and do you still get a different pitch ?
00.06.18 #       <mistaRx> not 100% sure, maybe an "inbillning"
00.06.34 #       <Linus> ok
00.10.12 #       <mistaRx> but it sure feel like it's 20%(or something) slower..
00.15.57 #       <Linus> so is there any difference in distortion?
00.16.33 #       <mistaRx> between stock & rockbox?!
00.16.46 #       <Linus> between my old test and the new test
00.17.24 #       <mistaRx> <-------stupid guy, it's the same address..
00.26.39 #       <mistaRx> well, not as good as the stock firmware(not hearing any difference, sorry) 
00.27.10 #       <Linus> ok, it was just a test
00.27.54 #       <mistaRx> try yourself on your 3.18 hardware mod unit..
00.29.23 #       <Linus> yes, i get distortion when i crank the volume
00.31.16 #       <Linus> but no pitch shift
00.33.25 #       <mistaRx> u sure, have u compared the MAS shit(may be useless but just tried to remind u.. if it would help)
00.34.17 #       <Linus> i compare between my recorder and my player
00.35.09 #       <mistaRx> ok, and what was the resultin a non-programmer translated language
00.35.46 #       <Linus> eeeh...they have the same pitch when i play music on them...
00.36.29 #       <mistaRx> try with the stock firmware on one!
00.42.35 #       <mistaRx> and post the result here.. =)
00.42.49 #       <Linus> well, i have to go to bed now. Thanks for you helk so far
00.42.54 #       <Linus> help
00.43.09 #       <mistaRx> ok, natti natti
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02.02.26 #       <ulrik> ls -la
02.02.38 #       <ulrik> !help
02.05.13 #       <ulrik> !list
02.05.25 #       <ulrik> @find warez
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02.53.41 #       <lithermon> o tgv
02.54.02 #       <lithermon> hello
02.54.29 #       <lithermon> i found a bug anyway
03.00.16 #       <lithermon> ok so its a stupid bug but when you try to load a nemptpy playlist you get flashing red light
03.00.30 #       <lithermon> I09:CPUAdrEr
03.00.42 #       <lithermon> at 694D69CD
03.01.09 #       <lithermon> who would want to load an empty playlist i dont know
03.03.07 #       <lithermon> well i hope you found that useful
03.03.58 #       <lithermon> you guys have put in a wcked effort to get this box of rock working :)
03.04.15 #       <lithermon> thanks v much
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03.24.17 #       <geoffeg> anyone here used the jukebox in OS X?
03.25.38 #       <lithermon> whas the hell os x ?
03.26.06 #       <geoffeg> Mac OS 10
03.26.19 #       <lithermon> ive never used a mac in my life sorry
03.26.24 #       <geoffeg> NP
03.26.32 #       <lithermon> heh heh :)
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03.27.40 #       <lithermon> i found a bug in the daily build, im well proud
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12.27.59 #       <Linus> yippie!!!!
12.28.40 #       <Linus> finally i have reproduced the distortion on my own player as well!!!!
12.37.59 #       <PsycoXul_> cool, how?
12.38.21 #       <PsycoXul_> heh my parents just got new hardware, so i get a handmedown 1ghz athlon (o:
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12.39.38 #       <Linus> There was a bug in mas_run(), so the decoder was never restarted on some units
12.39.46 #       <PsycoXul_> hmm
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12.41.44 #       <Linus> when mas_run() works, my unit also gets distortion
12.42.50 #       <PsycoXul> hmm heh
12.43.09 #       <PsycoXul> interesting
12.44.02 #       <PsycoXul> i'm probably gonna have to take this box here down tonight... :/
12.44.04 #       <PsycoXul>   3:42am  up 267 days, 19:40,  3 users,  load average: 0.13, 0.11, 0.09
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12.47.58 #       <Linus> PsycoXul: are you able to reproduce your problem right now?
12.49.17 #       <PsycoXul> the distortion i get, you mean? and with old rockbox, today's build, latest cvs, ...
12.49.35 #       <PsycoXul> old rockbox being whatever day or few old version i got on there atm
12.49.36 #       <PsycoXul> heh
12.50.47 #       <PsycoXul> today's build is the same as current cvs isn't it?
12.50.53 #       <Linus> yes
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12.52.54 #       <PsycoXul> well with what i'm already running on there all i have to do is play a song with much bass and the default sound settings to get distortion
12.53.18 #       <Linus> but is it worse than the stock firmware?
12.53.31 #       <Linus> we play louder in general
12.53.45 #       <PsycoXul> i've never gotten distortion with the stock firmware, besides overdriving my headphones turning the volume all the way up
12.53.55 #       <PsycoXul> which is a different kind of distortion than what i'm getting with rockbox
12.54.17 #       <PsycoXul> this distortion happens even with the volume are barely audible levels
12.54.24 #       <Linus> is the distortion sound something like loud "clicking"?
12.54.28 #       <PsycoXul> yes
12.54.33 #       <Linus> ok, i got it
12.54.52 #       <Linus> are you able to test an experimental firmware for me?
12.55.34 #       <PsycoXul> lemme see if i can mount my jb with the box i just setup.. it should
12.58.11 #       <PsycoXul> yeah i can
13.00.01 #       <Linus> hang on, i'll just test on my own box first
13.00.27 #       <Linus> 1ghz athlon...nice
13.00.54 #       <PsycoXul> yeah, it'll be a nice change from the p166 OC'd to 200 i'm forced to use 90% of the time now heh
13.02.22 #       <PsycoXul> my mom got herself an athlon XP 1900, 128mb geforce3 with tv-out, and 512mb DDR ram, plus a new MB which doesn't work and we need to take back tomorrow for a replacement
13.02.36 #       <Linus> hehe
13.02.54 #       <Linus> i have an athlon xp 1800, it rocks
13.03.41 #       <Linus> damn, our web hotel is down...
13.05.51 #       <Linus> http://linus.haxx.se/archos.mod
13.06.31 #       <Linus> ...and check the pitch too
13.07.15 #       <PsycoXul> ok
13.07.52 #       <Linus> the sad thing is that Micronas are like everybody else
13.08.09 #       <Linus> and really suck at documenting things
13.08.19 #       <PsycoXul> heh
13.08.27 #       <Linus> i am equally bad at documenting...
13.08.35 #       <PsycoXul> whoops
13.08.49 #       <PsycoXul> its a newer player
13.08.57 #       <Linus> sorry, lemme try again
13.08.58 #       <PsycoXul> but thats ok, i know the first song in the first dir usualy causes distortion bad
13.10.28 #       <PsycoXul> yeah still get it
13.10.38 #       <Linus> badness
13.11.04 #       <PsycoXul> i think it sounds more clicky less loud though...
13.11.04 #       <PsycoXul> heh
13.11.47 #       <PsycoXul> i dunno that could be subjective
13.33.49 #       <Linus> PsycoXul: Try again - http://linus.haxx.se/archos.mod
13.34.02 #       <Linus> and pay attention to the startup messages
13.34.16 #       <PsycoXul> woo, there's startup messages?
13.34.30 #       <Linus> debug messages
13.34.46 #       <PsycoXul> ah
13.34.47 #       <PsycoXul> heh
13.35.48 #       <PsycoXul> ok well it was still double-height, mas: 0601
13.36.08 #       <PsycoXul> listening now
13.36.16 #       <PsycoXul> so far there isn't
13.36.19 #       <PsycoXul> which there was before
13.36.25 #       <PsycoXul> but it hasn't gotten really into it yet
13.37.08 #       <PsycoXul> nope, no distortion
13.37.13 #       <Linus> wow
13.37.21 #       <PsycoXul> woo
13.37.24 #       <Linus> notice any pitch difference?
13.37.27 #       <PsycoXul> even if i turn the bass all the way up
13.38.52 #       <PsycoXul> not that i can tell..
13.39.15 #       <Linus> yeah, i know it's hard to tell
13.39.34 #       <Linus> but it should be correct now
13.39.50 #       <PsycoXul> it sounds good to me heh
13.41.04 #       <Linus> BTW, did you know that there are both 12MHz and 11.0592MHz Recorders out there? :-)
13.41.24 #       <Linus> that sucks a lot
13.41.48 #       <PsycoXul> hah
13.53.23 #       <Linus> fixed and committed
13.53.27 #       <Linus> thanks a lot for your help
13.53.41 #       <PsycoXul> thank you for fixing it!
13.53.41 #       <PsycoXul> :p
13.54.07 #       <Linus> let's just hope that we actually did fix it...
13.54.29 #       <PsycoXul> well yeah.. it fixed it for me though so heh
13.54.32 #       <Linus> on my unit, it seemed to come and go...
13.54.45 #       <Linus> i only had the distortion once
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15.42.15 #       <yro> Hi all
15.52.17 #       <Linus> hi
15.53.33 #       <yro> Hi Linus
15.54.14 #       <Linus> wazzup?
15.54.27 #       <yro> I've just written a quick and dirty write-on-disk settings ;-)
15.54.52 #       <yro> I'm gonna make a patch...
15.55.26 #       <Linus> nice
15.56.30 #       <yro> There is some work to make it nicer... (the rtc block is written directly on block 61...)
15.56.56 #       <Linus> so?
15.57.54 #       <yro> No suspend on write yet...
16.17.31 #       <yro> sent to the list. It's too hot to work here... See you all
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16.18.00 #       <Linus> cu
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19.16.42 #       <mistaRx> Hi
19.20.10 #       <Linus> yo
19.24.06 #       <mistaRx> what up whit the distortion fix it i
19.24.18 #       <mistaRx> is it the same that I got yesterday?!
19.33.22 #       <Linus> no
19.33.27 #       <Linus> it is new and shiny
19.33.44 #       <Linus> and maybe even working
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19.37.17 #       <mistaRx> WOW, it will maybe work!!
19.43.21 #       <Linus> just try it
19.44.04 #       <Linus> and i have committed an experimental persistent settings patch for player, sent to me by Yves
19.44.21 #       <Linus> but it isn't activated in the daily build
19.45.17 #       <Lear> linus: is it safe to try (don't want to re-format my player :)? And if so, where is the best place to add such a define?
19.45.38 #       <mistaRx> is the distortion fix on the newest archos20020728.mod on the website?!
19.45.58 #       <Linus> if i was sure that it was entirely safe, i wouldn't disable it :-)
19.46.32 #       <Lear> so you haven't tested it yourself at least then?
19.46.44 #       <Linus> but add the #define first in settings.c
19.47.00 #       <Linus> Lear: of course i have tested it, works like a charm
19.47.19 #       <Linus> but i haven't tested it when low on batteries
19.47.20 #       <Lear> linus: good, then maybe I'll give it a shot as well.
19.47.38 #       <Linus> it saves too often as it is now
19.47.49 #       <Linus> but it is a start
19.48.06 #       <Lear> btw, the display loop in wps.c, is it only executed 2/sec? The sleep made me think it would be more, and the update is a bit "jerky" when I try some new display code I'm working on...
19.48.10 #       <mistaRx> Linus:is the distortion fix on the newest build on the website?!
19.48.21 #       <Linus> mistaRx: no, the distorion fix won't be in until tomorrow's daily build
19.48.42 #       <mistaRx> well, you told me to test it..
19.49.10 #       <Linus> i can build one for you now, with saved settings as well
19.49.41 #       <mistaRx> no not the settings thing pleez
19.49.53 #       <mistaRx> I haven't got a backup of my mp3s
19.50.25 #       <mistaRx> I'll wait until someone's player breaks down and it'll be fixed!
19.50.32 #       <Linus> ok
19.50.54 #       <Linus> you have been yelling so much about the settings, so i reckoned you would want it
19.51.05 #       <mistaRx> but I'm interested in the distortion fix though!
19.51.11 #       <mistaRx> hrmmpf
19.51.33 #       <Linus> http://linus.haxx.se/archos.mod
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19.52.20 #       <mistaRx> loading...
19.54.28 #       <Linus> actually, i have taken precautions when it comes to low batteries
19.54.42 #       <Linus> the settings won't be saved if the battery level is low
19.56.57 #       <mistaRx> I guess the distortion is fixed a little bit, but try playing dr dre - forgot about dre, with it
19.57.17 #       <mistaRx> the distortion is still there
19.57.34 #       <Linus> mistaRx: i'm beginning to think that you didn't have the distortion other people have been having
19.58.01 #       <mistaRx> well the distortion isn't there with the stock firmware..
19.58.16 #       <Linus> that distortion has little to do with the volume
19.58.35 #       <mistaRx> yes it does
19.58.56 #       <Linus> not the distortion i have been trying to fix
19.59.02 #       <mistaRx> I'm sorry gotta eat, brb..
19.59.08 #       <Linus> sure
19.59.19 #       <mistaRx> c ya
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20.08.59 #       <Lear> linus: are you familiar with the "tick" threads? Are they really executed 100 times/second?
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20.20.40 #       <Linus> Lear: yes
20.20.53 #       <Linus> but it isn't a thread, it's an interrupt handler
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20.21.12 #       <Evil_Mind> hi!
20.21.23 #       <Linus> yo
20.21.57 #       <Evil_Mind> whats up...
20.22.21 #       <Linus> not much
20.24.03 #       <Evil_Mind> can u write in the site where the "recent cvs  activity"  to what version it applys to...(player or recorder)?
20.24.47 #       <Evil_Mind> just mention "R" or "p"
20.24.49 #       <Evil_Mind> ?
20.25.15 #       <Linus> mostly both, but i do try to do that
20.25.53 #       <Evil_Mind> ok....
20.25.56 #       <Linus> anything special you wonder about?
20.26.26 #       <Evil_Mind> the new save feture is for P or R?
20.27.21 #       <Linus> only for player, since the recorder already saves to RTC
20.27.43 #       <Evil_Mind> oh...that's great!
20.28.42 #       <Linus> Lear: what do you want to know about the tick?
20.28.44 #       <Evil_Mind> ther's not suposed to be battery level in the info ?
20.28.56 #       <Linus> Evil_Mind: oh yes
20.29.06 #       <Evil_Mind> in today's build?
20.29.10 #       <Linus> tomorrows
20.29.34 #       <Linus> do you have player?
20.29.48 #       <Evil_Mind> i have the studio....
20.30.02 #       <Linus> same thing
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20.30.31 #       <Linus> do you want to try the setting saving?
20.30.39 #       <mistaRx> okejra
20.30.53 #       <Evil_Mind> and the distortion and pitch problems on Player versions is also in tommorow's?
20.31.01 #       <Linus> sure
20.31.09 #       <Lear> linus: in wps.c, there's a sleep(HZ/10), which should, AFAICS, mean that the main loop is executed 10 times/sec. I see more like 2...
20.31.16 #       <Linus> but i can give you a preview now if you wish
20.31.56 #       <mistaRx> did u fix the pitch problem too?!
20.32.05 #       <Linus> mistaRx: yes
20.32.12 #       <mistaRx> najs!
20.32.52 #       <Linus> Lear: but you can also see that this sleep is executed 5 times before updating the screen again
20.33.51 #       <Lear> linus: ah, missed that for() loop... :)
20.33.56 #       <Linus> screen update....poll keys 5 times with sleep()....screen update...
20.35.00 #       <Lear> linus: also means that time display is a bit "jerky"; i.e., the seconds ticks by in an uneven way...
20.38.23 #       <Linus> yes, dou you want to fix that? Please do.
20.38.55 #       <mistaRx> linus: have u just turned the pitch up with 20% or what?!
20.39.51 #       <Linus> yes, sort of
20.40.13 #       <Linus> i have adjusted the PLL offset to the crystal frequency
20.40.22 #       <Linus> it wasn't correct earlier
20.40.46 #       <mistaRx> so there REALLY was a bug!
20.41.10 #       <Linus> yup
20.43.44 #       <mistaRx> linus:will u get to work with the distortion bug I've got..?!
20.43.51 #       <mistaRx> =)
20.44.34 #       <Evil_Mind> can u add pitch adujst feture?
20.45.16 #       <Linus> Evil_Mind: i'm not sure
20.46.09 #       <Linus> mistaRx: is it possible for you to find out what rockbox volume the max archos volume level corresponds to?
20.46.50 #       <mistaRx> no, haven't got the equipment, I'm sitting in the country house right now..
20.47.00 #       <Linus> oh, yes, i forgot
20.47.46 #       <mistaRx> np..
20.47.54 #       <Linus> i think archos deliberately sets the max volume level a little lower than the DAC allows
20.49.32 #       <mistaRx> ok, but don't u think the sound is a littl' bit better on the stock firmware..?!
20.49.50 #       <Linus> ok guys, i hava bus to catch. gotta meet my wife at the train station...
20.49.58 #       <Lear> linus: OK, I'll include the fix in the new display mode I'm working on.
20.50.09 #       <mistaRx> ok c ya linus
20.50.17 #       <Linus> Lear: be sure to sync with the CVS
20.50.24 #       <Linus> cu guys!
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21.58.21 #       <DexterAYS> hi all, someone tested the distortion/pitch fix?
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23.38.16 #       <mistaRx> hallo any programmer here?!