--- Log for 31.07.102 Server: lerouge.openprojects.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 11 days and 9 hours ago 00.09.35 Join Hadaka_ [0] (naked@194.215.9.50) 00.09.35 Quit Hadaka (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.53.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.15.10 Join MeRWiN [0] (~merwin@12-230-192-86.client.attbi.com) 01.20.44 Quit WetFlax ("I like core dumps") 01.27.45 # * MeRWiN crosses fingers as he makes a 3rd attempt at compiling the cross-compiler 01.40.36 Quit matp ("Client Exiting") 01.43.19 # let's try for a 4th 02.04.06 Join WetFlax [0] (~wettoad@194.95.10.99) 02.04.06 Quit MeRWiN (Remote closed the connection) 02.52.25 Join datazone [0] ([5xnesSpZg@207.136.36.203) 02.53.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.04.00 Join MeRWiN [0] (~merwin@12-230-192-86.client.attbi.com) 04.05.37 # anyone alive? 04.16.45 # i am here but totally useless if its about rockbox 04.24.51 Join MeRWiN- [0] (~merwin@63.98.122.204) 04.25.01 # has anyone tried to use rechargable alkaline yet? 04.29.00 Join nunya [0] (~me@ny-utica2a-140.aburny.adelphia.net) 04.34.55 Quit MeRWiN (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.35.06 Nick MeRWiN- is now known as MeRWiN (~merwin@63.98.122.204) 04.35.35 # ok - i just heard about rockbox... what's the most recent, most feature packed reliable version? please be gentle... i cry easy! 04.42.10 # hello?? 04.42.39 # BRB! 04.52.40 # hey 04.52.41 # you there? 04.53.02 # nunya 04.53.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.16.34 Join MeRWiN- [0] (~merwin@63.98.122.204) 05.16.34 Quit MeRWiN (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.16.38 Nick MeRWiN- is now known as MeRWiN (~merwin@63.98.122.204) 05.16.42 # nunya: you there still? 05.25.35 # sorry - back now! 05.27.16 # heya 05.27.22 # do you have a player or recorder? 05.28.40 # player.... upgraded to 20gm ibm travelstar drive... going to put a toshiba 40gb in it in the next week or so 05.29.59 # go to the daily builds section of the website and download today's Daily Build and download 05.30.07 # archos20020730.mod 05.30.13 # from the Player section 05.30.22 # or the Player-old section if you have an old player 05.30.37 # copy it to the archos root folder and rename to archos.mod 05.31.59 # i'm ok with the player section - have 4.53 firmware. so zacly what is the big advantage to this? i understand cleaner, better sound... what else? 05.33.17 # More options. There are still some things that aren't working correctly though. Like the saving of settings (although there is a test version in place that seems to work for me.. i can send you that one if you want). Random mode onlly works when playing playlists, and some random bugs that may show up here and there 05.33.21 # I use it 100% on my player 05.34.11 # cool... sure if ya wanna send the test version... are you a developer too? 05.34.51 # trying to become one :) 05.35.01 # hold on a minute or two and i'll send it to you 05.35.40 # cool... i'd like to make some more time to look into it a bit... i've been programming for some time - but an electrical engineer i ain't!! :) 05.36.18 # heh. Remember, to switch back and forth from the real firmware and the rockbox firmware, just rename archos.mod to something like archos.mod.bak and it'll go back to the regular firmware 05.37.20 # yup... i have firmware 4.53 with the modified archos version 5.03a 05.40.20 # i personally like the rockbox software much better 05.40.28 # and the development is flying 05.40.35 # i see that 05.41.58 # u sending that new test version? 05.42.06 # yeah.. give me another 2 minutes :) 05.42.15 # ok.. np... where u located? 05.42.35 # usually in washington state, but right now in virginia 05.42.56 # i'll be in VA in a couple weeks... live in upstate NY. 05.43.23 # i'm not much of a fan of virginia 05.45.07 # LOL! 05.47.13 # i sent you the file dcc 05.47.39 # this one is slightly modified from the original, but not much (this one displays the current as well as remaining song time on the player) 05.49.10 # connection failed... i'm guessing my router is being a pain in the ass. figures! can ya email it? 05.50.55 # http://merwin.bespin.org/archos 05.52.36 # morning. 05.52.48 # morning hes 05.52.55 # hes: is there a mute function yet? 05.53.06 # got it!!! u da man!! 05.53.27 # nunya: heh... kewl 05.53.38 # Hes: 'cause I just cooked one up if there isn't 05.53.54 # ok... im off to zzzz-land for a few hours. merwin - THANK U VERY MUCH... catch ya 2morrow! 05.54.07 # nunya: no prob 05.54.26 Quit nunya () 05.59.17 # hes: you around? 06.02.31 # No mute that I know of 06.02.48 # I'm here, at work, looking at irc every now and then 06.03.53 # hes: i made a couple changes (only to the player code) ... one is that i stepped up the WPS volume change to step 2 instead of 1. The other is that i made Menu+Play do a Mute function (player only). want me to send you a unified diff of it by chance? 06.04.43 # Hmm, not really as I don't have either a player or CVS access 8-) 06.04.52 # hes: I also made both the current time and total song time able to be displayed by the player :) 06.05.10 # I'm just a humble servant to the core developers, writing pieces of code and hoping for them to apply the patches to the main tree 8-) 06.05.39 # But that's cool, guess we have one new developer then. 06.05.47 Join MeRWiN- [0] (~merwin@63.98.122.204) 06.05.55 # grr... i hate my connection here 06.06.18 # Which is the last line you got from me 06.06.38 # hes: humble servant 06.06.48 # But that's cool, guess we have one new developer then. 06.07.17 # i'm a player-only developer though 06.07.21 Quit MeRWiN (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.07.25 Nick MeRWiN- is now known as MeRWin (~merwin@63.98.122.204) 06.07.28 Nick MeRWin is now known as MeRWiN (~merwin@63.98.122.204) 06.28.47 # woo... also added a Time Display feature to the menu :) Can now display Elapsed or Remaining 06.41.19 # hey, also got it to save to the config :P 06.41.56 # Nice. 06.42.27 # that SAVE_TO_DISK is a very straightforward feature. In fact, the whole project is very straightforward. I'm not the greatest at reading other people's code, but this is easy 06.50.45 # The code is really very clean, I found it very easy to dig in too. 06.51.05 # Plain and simple C. Even with the multitasking and the queues, it's simple. 06.53.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.01.14 # Hes: i like that 07.19.24 Join Linus [0] (~linus@193.15.23.131) 07.19.24 Quit MeRWiN (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.29.56 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) 07.30.05 # Linus: already at work? 07.31.58 # yup 07.32.31 # what are you working on with rockbox today? 07.33.21 Join MeRWiN [0] (~merwin@63.98.122.204) 07.33.41 # i thought i would be working on the distortion, but it seems like i would have to do some work on the mpeg buffering too... 07.33.58 # those seem to be the biggest complaints currently 07.34.17 # I think documentation should be done soon. for version 1.2 -- maybe I will write up a pdf. 07.34.42 # why pdf? 07.35.20 # becasue then everyone can read it and it will look the same on all 'puters 07.35.27 # I guess I could go with html 07.35.32 # or maybe latex 07.35.40 # but no one can read latex. 07.35.50 # I could do postscript too... 07.36.04 # what do you think? 07.37.12 # i think a text file is good 07.37.44 # I think having screenshots would be great though. 07.37.50 # it would be a nice touch 07.38.02 # I could do a word document :) 07.38.05 # haha 07.38.06 # :-) 07.38.55 # But if we need screenshots and stuff we probably could use HTML and PDF 07.39.32 # well, I think pdf would be the best for this 07.39.37 # I'd prefer HTML 07.39.47 # i want to read it on a terminal 07.40.09 # well, if there are pictures then you won't see them on a terminal anyway. 07.40.23 # That's not too bad. 07.40.25 # and you can just use the google pdf2html converter to read it then :) 07.42.29 # so, I will do it in both pdf and html 07.42.45 # but, there can not be a release until the current bugs are worked out. 07.42.52 # right Linus? 07.44.56 # I will try my hardest to make it as confusing as the Archos manual 07.45.02 # elinenbe: that will be difficult 07.45.23 # hehe 07.45.57 # i think that the 1.2 release might have to wait until the current bugs are sorted out 07.46.22 # Linus: I agree. 07.48.06 # Do you guys have any experience of those bugs 07.48.49 # Linus: I was getting the directory non-refresh bug 07.49.13 # that is where you go to entre a directory, but insted you stay in the same directory and another cursor appears on the top line 07.49.28 # and the hard drive doesn't spin up? 07.49.47 # I am not sure about that. 07.51.34 # goodnight everyone. See you in the morning. Good luck on the project :-) 07.51.43 Nick elinenbe is now known as elinenbe|sleeps (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) 07.51.50 # sleep tight 08.10.19 Quit datazone (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.10.23 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 08.10.26 # yo! 08.10.31 # morning 08.11.53 # Bagder: hey 08.20.41 Join elinenbe [0] (~elinenbe@amidar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu) 08.22.36 # elinenbe: go to sleep! 08.25.33 # gee, 130 mails on the subversion list since I logged off yesterday... 08.35.00 # The good side is that means that you're popular 08.35.55 # true 08.35.58 # no, he has joined a popular mailing list, just to feel popular :-) 08.36.25 # * Bagder slaps Linus 08.36.30 # hah 08.36.36 # i nailed the mpeg buffering bug 08.36.40 # ouch! 08.37.00 # the one I spoke of yday? 08.37.07 # what was that? 08.37.49 # I've got problems a few times when I've played mp3s that appear as "0:00" long 08.38.09 # no, that is probably an id3 bug 08.38.23 # well, but after such a song I've got sound errors 08.38.24 # do the same file always appear as 0:00 long? 08.38.39 # either fractions of another song, or too much silence, before the next real song starts 08.39.41 # I get those problems on my "screwed up files", that play a different song than what they really are 08.39.58 # so it really isn't very easy to tell 08.40.06 # Bagder: can you find a song that shows this error? 08.40.06 # if the problem is my disk or rockbox 08.40.29 # for example, a too long id3 tag might be a problem 08.40.50 # I'll try to repeat it on purpose later 08.40.53 # combined with VBR 08.43.42 # I think I may have found a solution to the "No random without a playlist" thing... Why can't you turn each directory into a playlist? Shouldn't take up too much processing power. 08.43.55 # When you enter the directory, create a playlist out of the files 08.44.09 # we will do that 08.44.11 # Yes, that is a good idea 08.44.13 # as soon as we can write to disk 08.44.15 # MeRWiN: do that 08.44.23 # Bagder: why save to disk? 08.44.24 # don't even need to write to disk to do that... 08.44.29 # a playlist variable 08.44.36 # Linus: because our playlist code uses diskbased playlists 08.44.51 # yes, but that can be changed 08.44.57 # and directoried can be pretty big 08.45.15 Join datazone [0] ([dCsvgjNaT@207.136.36.203) 08.45.21 # yes, but if the dir is small enough we can do it 08.45.28 # and today we have a 200 file limit 08.45.31 # anyway, that's the reason why it isn't made so right now 08.45.32 # on directories 08.45.57 # there's a 200 file limit? i did not know that 08.46.06 # MeRWiN: do you want to look into memory-based playlists? 08.46.25 # MeRWiN: the 200 file limit is for the dir browser 08.46.28 # ahh 08.46.36 # I'll research that one 08.46.40 # Great 08.53.49 # what is the add_indices_to_playlist? 08.53.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.54.01 # Good morning... did any of you look at the charger patch yet? 08.54.08 # morn hes 08.54.22 # * Bagder hasn't had time to yet 08.55.16 # Hes: no, i haven't had the time either 08.55.52 # MeRWiN: add_indices_to_playlist saves the file positions in the playlist for each file in it 09.09.06 # There's no feature to skip to a certain MP3 file in a folder, is there? :( Only mpeg_next and mpeg_prev, right? 09.09.11 # it is the playlist file positions that are the keys to the individual files in the playlist 09.09.22 # MeRWiN: true 09.09.33 # Linus: ouch, this is going to be harder than i thought 09.09.40 # how would you want such a feature to work? 09.10.02 # MeRWiN: why so hard? 09.10.47 # Linus: I'll have to create a new playlist function from scratch this way :) I didn't think the current one was 100% disk based. I thought it loaded the info into some sort of array base 09.11.23 # It would be nice to have some sort of mpeg play function that played a certain directory entry in a given folder 09.11.46 # yes, you would have to create new functions for memory based playlists, but that shouldnt be that hard 09.12.08 # or you could add a middle layer that abstracts the file handling 09.12.18 # that is true 09.12.52 # The function that plays a certain file in a certain directory is called the "file browser" 09.13.37 # ok, if i use that file browser function, all i have to do is create an array with all of the filenames, and randomly choose one of the files in the array 09.14.01 # what is it that you want to accomplish? 09.14.19 # random play without a playlist 09.14.26 # in several directories? 09.14.36 # well, in a single directory for now 09.14.49 # where is the file browser function located? 09.14.58 # so just read the current dir into an array 09.15.24 # about the file browser thing, i was (unsuccessfully) sarcastic :-) 09.15.29 # isn't it already read into an array? 09.15.34 # morning 09.15.53 # Bagder: yes, we could probably use the array already in the dir browser 09.17.19 # i would probably have made a playlist_open() and playlist_seek() API, that made it transparent to the playlist functions if it was a file or memory based playlist 09.18.10 # the whole file position thing works just as well with byte indices in a memory buffer 09.20.27 # I would have gone the way Linus put it 09.20.49 # all future playlist features would then apply to it nicely 09.21.53 # I would really, really like to click 'play' on a directory in the browser and have it (recursively) create a temporary playlist of the files under that directory 09.22.15 # and then play it (shuffled, if playlist shuffle is enabled) 09.23.28 # hes: agreed 09.40.34 # but that recursive playlist could get quite big 09.40.41 # so it should be stored on disk 09.41.12 # yes, but if it fits in memory it would be fine 09.41.23 # well 09.41.30 # then it won't survive a reboot 09.41.36 # which the stored-on-disk will 09.41.37 # and? 09.41.59 # i'm not saying that a disk-based list is useless 09.42.00 # people always complain that they won't resume from where they shut it off 09.42.11 # me neither 09.42.21 # I'm just saying that people will mention it sooner or later 09.42.22 # we can recreate the list at boot-time 09.42.38 # true 09.42.45 # or rather when the user decides to continue playing 09.42.46 # but that would take even more (new) logic 09.42.52 # of course 09.43.30 # i want as little disk write activity as possible 09.45.12 # Bugs, pl. n.: 09.45.12 # Small living things that small living boys throw on small living girls. 09.53.35 # And if you have the (small) temporary playlist in memory in the same format as an on-disk playlist, you can write it to the disk at will once we have disk writing 09.55.27 # Hes: exactly 09.55.29 # the temporary playlist code can be written now to run in memory (with small lists) 09.55.41 # yes 09.55.42 # and later extended to write to disk 09.55.47 # yes again 09.55.55 # MeRWiN is on the case 09.56.42 # Linus: Trying at least :) I'm trying to learn how the code flows (hence, this simpler playlist job), and then work on the bigger one 10.24.57 # Linus, still there? 10.25.59 # Interessted in RockBox beeing mentioned in the "Brave Gnu World" 10.26.02 # ? 10.26.08 # of course! 10.26.14 # I am here 10.26.35 # I have written to the editor and pointed him to the project. 10.27.00 # He is very interested in it, but he has a question catalog. 10.27.31 # I don't think I am able answer all the questions 10.27.52 # Can I send it to someone who can? 10.28.02 # It is not very long .. 10.29.38 # I'm sure linus is a suitable person for that 10.29.48 # if he has time for it 10.29.53 # :) 10.30.24 # I bet I could fill in a few gaps if need be 10.31.05 # mail it to linus at haxx.se 10.31.24 # OK, I'll do that. 10.32.00 # Would be a nice promotion for the project :) 10.32.05 # * Bagder nods 10.32.15 # good initiative 10.32.16 # Bagder: I just sent linus a neat little playlist problem :) If I hit next within like 3 seconds of the song starting, it'll halt and when you hit play it plays some random part of a song. And if you hit the next key like 5 times in a row it says "end of list" *grin* 10.32.23 # Linus: happens with all of my playlists so far 10.32.40 # oh 10.32.44 # nasty 10.33.38 # I also tried rechargable alkaline batteries with the player for the first time 10.33.49 # woooo 10.33.52 # it kind of freaks out a bit... and it's throwing too much voltage so during disk reads the screen flickers 10.34.46 # the percentage of battery that is left varies from like 30% to 100% 10.35.08 # basically, not a good idea to use them 10.35.41 # actually, only NiMh is supported 10.36.04 # yeah... I just wanted to see what would happen :) 10.36.06 # and don't connect the charger unless you have a protective suit 10.36.23 # I didn't use the charger with it 10.38.37 # I'm coming up empty on thinking up ways to display Keylock ON and Mute ON without it disappearing immediatly from the song scrolling... 10.43.47 Quit Hes (lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10.43.47 NSplit lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 10.43.47 Quit Bagder (lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10.43.59 # We need lcd_scroll_pause() and lcd_scroll_continue() 10.43.59 # for example 10.43.59 # or just an lcd_scroll_pause(numberofmilliseconds) 10.44.04 # still there linus? 10.44.08 NHeal lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 10.44.08 NJoin Bagder [0] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 10.44.08 NJoin Hes [0] (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) 10.44.17 # you don't know for how long to pause 10.44.34 # Hes: I tested the charger patch yesterday .. worked for me. 10.44.53 # if it's something like displaying the Keylock ON then you would want it for like 1 second 10.44.59 # But only tested while NOT playing songs 10.46.37 # is there a way to dump the message waiting list? ie: if you hit keylock 5 times in a row, to only process it once 10.48.35 # Hes: Do you need picture of the voltage graph? 10.48.51 # yes, in the keylock case you know how long it should pause, but i would prefer a more general approach 10.49.35 # ahh 10.49.39 # MeRWiN: why and when do you want to remove all the keylock events? 10.49.52 # anyone know how to attach a file in pine? 10.50.17 # control-t on the "Attchmnt:" line 10.50.30 # or just fill in the full path 10.51.13 # Linus: since the keylock pauses for about a second, if you hit keylock 5 times you have to wait 5 seconds to do anything else... something like flush any other keylock messages after it finishes displaying the KEYLOCK ON 10.52.29 # mbr_: would be nice to see it perhaps if you have it around 10.52.38 # what voltage did it top at? 10.53.30 # Hes: It is on http://www.stz-softwaretechnik.de/~mb/charge.jpg (sorry a bit hi res:) 10.53.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.53.59 # Sorry I don't know the voltage. I used it for a while and then plugged the charger. 10.54.39 # So it actually went to 5.50V... should be good 10.54.46 # near full charge 10.55.05 # maybe could charge a little more. Did you play while charging? 10.55.31 # No, i didn't play .. 10.55.34 # MeRWiN: eating the key events is not the right solution 10.55.53 # Linus: what would the right solution be? 10.56.03 # But I can try it now . 10.56.19 # mbr_: No need, just interested. 10.56.23 # we should rather keep track of how long the text has been on the screen 10.56.35 # by using current_tick 10.57.18 # Hes: OK, I do it anyway ;) 10.57.38 # remove_text_time = current_tick + HZ 10.58.14 # I charged mine last night and powered it up now, it's at 100%, 5.25V 10.59.06 # MeRWiN: if(TIME_BEFORE( current_tick, remove_text_time )) display_keylock_text(); 10.59.29 # Hes: 5.25V is low 11.00.34 # Hes: With the stock firmware I always get "Battery charging ..." but never "Battery charged". Is this normal? Stings to the descrambled stock firm shows, that the "Battery charged" message is there. 11.00.34 # Linus: ahh... 11.00.58 # I don't always see 'battery charged' either. 11.01.16 # i often see it 11.01.29 # 5.25V seems good for 4 idle 1.2V cells 11.01.38 # OK. Just was confused .. 11.01.51 # Hes: maybe 11.01.53 # it was at over 5.4V just after charging but the voltage goes down after a while even with no use 11.02.03 # yeah, that's tru 11.14.34 # time for me to go to sleep... it's starting to get light out 11.15.26 Nick MeRWiN is now known as MeRWiN|Sleep (~merwin@63.98.122.204) 11.15.34 # MeRWiN|Sleep: good night and sleep tight 11.15.37 # night 11.15.47 # night merwin 11.16.01 # work on gettin' that code of mine in *grin* heh. j/k 11.16.49 # i will 11.17.49 Quit edx|busy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.20.53 # by the way, if any of you have nokia phones, check out http://ringtone.bespin.org ... personal plug for my rtttl website :) 11.23.45 # Linus: mores skipping and stopping today 11.24.04 # Here's the behaviour: 11.25.34 # 1215 long playlist with shuffle. all songs vbr 64k - 256k. halfway into 1st track. "end of playlist. press on" was observed. 11.26.20 # reloaded the playlist. happened again a couple of mins into the 1st track. I noticed that the time elapsed was 7230 / 3 mins 11.26.42 # reloaded the playlist. got to train station. 1 hour of music played with no problems 11.27.30 # walking to work, the current song starts skipping. a few seconds later, the same song skips again. 11.28.05 # then a few seconds later the current track is aborted, and a different track is loaded. 11.28.44 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@1Cust55.tnt8.stk3.da.uu.net) 11.28.51 # maybe a minute of this track, and it stops. i leave it, and when i get to work, the root directory is displayed 11.28.58 # Zagor! 11.29.00 # hey guys 11.29.15 # what kind of weird network are you on? 11.29.24 # spray dialup... 11.29.36 # CONNECT 14400 11.29.41 # hehe 11.29.44 # * Zagor is in agony 11.29.51 # matp|work: the disk drivers have no error detection whatsoever 11.31.03 Part Linus 11.31.13 Join Linus [0] (~linus@193.15.23.131) 11.31.56 # Zagor: we worked a bit on the upcoming release-notes yday: http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/rockbox-1.2-notes.txt 11.33.03 # so this would cause the next track to be loaded? what about the weird time display? 11.33.24 # the time display could be a disk error 11.33.46 # i don't know 11.33.51 # BTW, this is new behaviour. This is happening all the time now, and it's never happened before. Do you think my disk might be corrupted? 11.34.07 # maybe, meybe not 11.34.31 # i haven't seen it 11.34.40 # and i walk a lot too 11.36.25 # i will see if it happens with the archos firmware. 11.36.35 # Bagder: nice. I'll be going away tomorrow again, back monday night. 11.36.49 # ok 11.37.16 # my playlist has grown past 1200 songs now. that is the only change i have made to the device, other than rockbox upgrades 11.37.24 Part Linus 11.37.50 Join Linus [0] (~linus@193.15.23.131) 11.38.09 # my tunnel isn't very reliable today 11.39.44 # someone else has reported MP3 play Jumping bug on sourceforge 11.42.24 # yeah i saw that 11.44.05 Part Linus 11.44.22 Join Linus [0] (~linus@193.15.23.131) 11.46.34 # i wish i could reproduce that "next-song" bug 11.48.13 # and i wish i knew if it is entirely spontaneous or if it is an effect of shaking the unit 11.49.12 # Maybe could add a little ATA error detection and maybe an error counter, show it in the debug or info 11.49.25 # Linus: what is the next-song bug? 11.50.44 Part Linus 11.50.45 Join Linus [0] (~linus@193.15.23.131) 11.58.26 # my tunnel plays tricks on me 11.58.51 # can you people see what i write? 11.59.24 # * Bagder can 11.59.46 # I got this " I am a silly person" 11.59.49 # :-P 12.00.03 # :-) 12.00.05 # * Bagder giggles 12.00.28 # I might have the encryption mode on... 12.00.36 # let's see... 12.00.57 # Bagder is lame 12.01.03 # ah, now it works 12.01.07 Quit wettoad (Remote closed the connection) 12.06.40 Part Linus 12.07.17 Join Linus [0] (~linus@193.15.23.131) 12.07.58 Quit WetFlax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.16.32 Part Linus 12.16.50 Join Linus [0] (~linus@193.15.23.131) 12.22.18 # Time to replace the power supply of my workstation... 12.23.09 Quit Hes ("leaving") 12.37.58 Part Linus 12.38.03 Join Linus [0] (~linus@193.15.23.131) 12.53.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.54.55 # i'm off. see you later guys. 12.54.57 Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") 12.59.28 Join WetFlax [0] (~wettoad@194.95.10.99) 13.01.29 Join wettoad [0] (~wettoad@uludag.mbi-berlin.de) 13.03.19 Join Hes [0] (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) 13.55.56 # http://people.jyu.fi/~aesinis/Funny_Videos_-_LSD_Being_Tested_on_British_Troops.mpg 14.23.40 Join jedix [0] (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) 14.33.23 # I was thinking about initiating a Rockbox T-shirt competition 14.33.46 # (?) 14.33.47 # and then donate X shirts to the X most active developers 14.33.49 Nick dwihno|away is now known as dwihno (dwihno@193.180.246.67) 14.33.59 # That would be cool 14.34.05 # No shirts for me, but still cool ;) 14.34.19 Join PiotR [0] (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) 14.34.19 # as a sponsor trick from Haxx ;-) 14.34.56 # Neato 14.35.07 # Rockbox shirts ;D 14.36.06 # I just need Linus to agree first 14.36.25 # Linus: here? 14.53.34 Nick Hadaka_ is now known as Hadaka (naked@194.215.9.50) 14.53.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.55.32 # Hadaka rhymes with pepparkaka 14.55.39 # and pepparkaka is good 14.55.44 # (= gingerbread) 14.56.15 Quit elinenbe ("Leaving") 14.56.47 # FYI - i've improved the charger already 14.56.56 # you have? 14.56.57 # in what way? 14.57.12 # It cuts off a little too early... 14.57.23 # oh, I do know pepparkaka :) 14.57.35 # - made it report what it has done to a string variable and show the string in debug 14.57.54 # - made it take 3 samples in a minute with 10 seconds of sleep between each 14.58.06 # (to get a better average, smoother stats) 14.58.15 # - tuned the cutoff parameters a little 14.58.19 # correct me if I'm wrong, but if you read the value every 10 seconds, you get 6 reads a minute :) 14.58.21 # I'll see how the new parameters work now. 14.58.59 # I take a sample, sleep 10s, take a sample, 10s, sample, 10s, calculate things, sleep the rest of the minute and go back to step 1. 14.59.27 # ah, okay 15.12.14 # Bagder: T-shirts are cool! 15.13.24 Quit wettoad (Remote closed the connection) 15.17.55 # I thought we could have a competition for the best shirt design, and the winner gets two t-shirts and we use the design on the shirts we donate 15.19.11 Quit jedix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.23.46 Join jedix [0] (~liam@199.212.21.22) 15.33.26 Quit WetFlax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.36.05 Join wettoad [0] (~wettoad@uludag.mbi-berlin.de) 15.44.01 # time to go home 15.44.11 # see ya Linus 15.44.13 # bye all 15.44.20 Part Linus 16.10.15 # this is in the 1.2 release notes: - Not using LCD icons (Player version) 16.10.25 # I think this is wrong. 16.11.25 # oops, yes 16.11.34 # because above it says we do use them ;-) 16.12.24 # also, I think if a files is not found in a playlist, it is just ignored. 16.12.35 # * elinenbe|sleeps tyes in his sleep 16.12.39 # * elinenbe|sleeps types in his sleep 16.12.45 Nick elinenbe|sleeps is now known as elinenbe (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) 16.12.48 # ok, I remove that line too 16.18.29 # we still plan to work on bugs a bit more before release though 16.43.13 Quit elinenbe ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 16.43.21 Part Bagder 16.54.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.06.51 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@1Cust145.tnt4.stk3.da.uu.net) 17.14.22 Quit wettoad (Remote closed the connection) 17.17.04 Join wettoad [0] (~wettoad@194.95.13.192) 18.12.08 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) 18.19.43 Quit Zagor (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.54.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.13.18 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@1Cust150.tnt5.stk3.da.uu.net) 19.53.09 Join ripnetuk [0] (~george@ripnet.fsnet.co.uk) 19.59.24 Nick MeRWiN|Sleep is now known as MeRWiN (~merwin@63.98.122.204) 20.04.58 # is it just me, or does the current cvs on AJR20 have no sound output??? thanks 20.05.58 # ripnetuk: hmm... have you gone deaf? :-) 20.06.11 # pardon??? :) 20.06.33 # it just seems to stick on 0:00 so I think its a playing prob, not a volume prob 20.06.47 # works for me 20.06.59 # ripnetuk: probably an mp3 issue 20.07.07 # ripnetuk: tried it with other mp3's? 20.07.15 # tried 2, will try others hang 20.08.47 # 'tis the same for all ive tried (about 7 now), the time is stuck on 0:00 and the hdd light (i assume red light == hdd) flashes as if its filling the buffer 20.09.12 # ripnetuk: have you done any mods to the recorder? 20.09.17 # repeatable even after reboot? 20.09.33 # mer - no mods (too much of a wimp!) - zagor - will try 20.13.50 # Zagor: thanks for the e-mail reply (jheiner@yahoo.com). I was working last night with Linus on some mods and got a mute function as well as menu scrolling, and time elapsed/remaining selection 20.13.59 # Zagor: fun project to say the least 20.14.36 # nice work! linus told me about it over lunch today. 20.14.59 # where are you guys from? 20.15.09 # sweden 20.17.57 # Zagor: Ericsson is from sweden, correct? I partied with a bunch of people from there in Las Vegas last week (one who looked suprisingly like Mr Clean). 20.18.32 # hehe, yeah Ericsson is swedish. Although I personally prefer Nokia phones :-) 20.19.41 # Zagor: me too. I work for Voicestream/T-Mobile engineering, and basically try every phone that comes through... I'm a strict Nokia-Only person. Ericsson/Motorola phones arent very user friendly 20.22.46 # how do u activate the clear rtc ram function? 20.23.28 Quit MeRWiN (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.25.17 # ripnetuk: something in the debug menu. can't remember. search the mail archive. 20.26.14 # im also getting 'end of song list' just before it tries to play it if thats any help... anway, nice talking to u, gotta go cheers cu later 20.28.10 # ripnetuk: try recharching the batteries externally. sounds fishy. 20.54.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.57.07 Join MeRWiN [0] (~merwin@63.98.122.204) 21.07.48 Quit MeRWiN () 21.28.54 Join MeRWiN [0] (~merwin@63.98.122.204) 21.29.08 # GPRS is overrated 21.30.53 Quit MeRWiN (Client Quit) 21.35.38 # is that Zagor? ZAGOR? 21.36.36 # yeah, it's me. i'm here for a few hours, reading my mail before dashing away again. 21.37.08 # my adsl is not connected to my new apartment yet, so i'm on painful dialup... 21.40.08 Join MeRWiN [0] (~merwin@63.98.122.204) 21.40.41 # the processor on the jukebox wouldn't be fast enough to do a realtime conversion of ogg->mp3 to play ogg files, right? 21.41.26 # right 21.41.51 # darn... 21.41.51 # then there's really not any way to do it 21.43.46 # not unless we find a MAS DSP guru who wants to help. 21.44.01 # we did acutally find one that doesn't want to help :-) 21.44.13 # heh 21.44.13 # so close 21.44.13 # yet so far 21.45.23 # there's gotta be at least one DSP person that wants to join in 21.45.37 # heh 21.45.40 # I keep hoping... 21.46.37 # Has anyone e-mailed with archos regarding all of this? I'm sure they know about rockbox by now 21.46.47 # they can't stop it, they might as well help it along. heh 21.47.34 # some people have asked them if they want to open source their firmware and they have firmly refused 21.48.44 # hmm... wonder why 21.48.57 # one would think a company would want better firmware 21.49.13 # they are conservative old timers 21.49.21 # "we must protect our trade secrets" they say 21.49.32 # yeah, like there's a lot of magic secret code in the Archos... 21.49.36 # conservative old timers putting out bleeding edge products don't work well 21.50.26 # yeah, that's the boring part. they make pretty good hardware. too bad they don't want good software. 21.51.04 # maybe you could e-mail them requesting to view their code if you sign a non-disclosure agreement. They may just not want their own code being all hacked up everywhere. 21.51.49 # no, they want to "protect their secrets". i'm completely certain they would refuse my request (or rather ignore it) 21.52.20 # besides, we don't need their help anyway. there's very little we don't already know. 21.52.39 # well, some of the ways that they went about things would be interesting to know 21.53.00 # yeah, interesting but not worth signing an NDA for 21.53.30 # true, it has it's ups and downs 21.53.49 # I resubmit my previous statement that GPRS is horrid :) 21.54.51 # hehe. well GSM Data isn't a whole lot of fun either 21.56.28 # Over here in the states (Voicestream), we have about 30 IMSI ranges to deal with (in about 15 HLR's)... that makes things like GPRS a bastard to test (btw, that's what I'm doing at present, which is why i'm bitching about it) 21.57.04 # heh, sounds like a lot of fun :-) 21.58.02 # I have to find things like Rockbox to keep me sane. heh. My previous/ongoing project is a RTTTL website built on PHP. Up to 1100 unique hits per day. Hey, that reminds me... I should put up a rockbox banner on their 22.05.36 # do you guys count website hits? 22.08.26 # no. sometimes I run a log analyzer for fun, but nothing more 22.08.50 # ok... I just added your banner to my website... should generate some more hits. 22.08.57 # ok. nice 22.10.11 # did you catch those couple problems with the playlist from last night? If you press "Next" within about 3 seconds of starting a song in a playlist, the song will halt and when you try to press play again it plays a random part of some song. 22.10.25 # Also, if you hit next about 3 or 4 times in a playlist it'll say end of list 22.10.35 # no, that's not fixed yet. linus had some ideas about it, though 22.11.14 # I still haven't run into any general MP3 playing problems with my player. The pre-buffering delay is kind of bad though 22.14.53 # we need to make it dynamic. it buffers too much on low-bitrate songs just to not skip on high-rate ones 22.16.04 # Zagor: isn't that a relatively easy fix (at least for CBR songs) 22.16.45 # yeah, but I'm leaving it for linus. it gets messy when two people change the same code. and i'm going away tomorrow... :-) 22.16.50 # heh 22.16.51 # k 22.16.56 # vacation 22.16.57 # ? 22.17.09 # yeah, visiting my parents. back monday night 22.17.34 # nice... so what timezone are the daily builds on? GMT? 22.18.42 # yup 22.19.17 Join MeRWiN- [0] (~merwin@63.98.122.204) 22.19.22 # What function is the bfufering in anyways? 22.19.51 Quit MeRWiN (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.19.53 # it's handled by many functions in firmware/mpeg.c 22.20.46 # that would be the "Low water" right? 22.20.52 # yes 22.21.19 # I've got all low bitrate songs :) I think i'll create a little custom build for me. 22.21.23 # 128kbs 22.21.26 # to 190kbs 22.45.01 # hmmm... wierd, regrabbed from CVS and re-built, and it works now. The only thing i did different was a make clean 22.45.21 # and also charged the battary a bit but i dont think it was that as the original firm worked ok 22.45.50 # interesting 22.45.51 # the Makefile dependencies are not 100%, so make clean is good sometimes 22.46.19 # this thing rocks :) 22.46.41 # Zagor: does disk write work for both player and recorder? 22.47.00 # no idea, i'm on vacation :) 22.47.03 # heh 22.47.09 # ripnetuk: do you have a player or recorder? 22.47.12 # seriously, if it works for one it should work for both 22.47.14 # recorder20 22.47.29 # ripnetuk: you should go into settings.h and #define SAVE_TO_DISK 22.47.34 # ripnetuk: test out the save to disk function 22.47.41 # ripnetuk: works great on my player 22.47.58 # ok, will do, hang on 22.48.42 # im quite upset as to how much i am using vi to do my editting these days ;) 22.48.50 # ripnetuk: nano is the way to go 22.49.21 # emacs all the way 22.50.29 # i love editor quarrels 22.50.34 Nick MeRWiN- is now known as MeRWiN (~merwin@63.98.122.204) 22.50.54 # hehe sorry guys... didnt mean to start a religious war:) 22.50.58 # what else would we fight about? ;) 22.51.00 # hah 22.51.23 # ok, built it, what settings get saved??? are we talking bass and so on? 22.51.36 # all settings are saved 22.51.40 # also, i only have the default partitioning setup - its not gonna start wiping out sectors is it? 22.51.41 # volume, bass, treble, scroll speed, etc 22.51.44 # cool, 22.51.53 # ripnetuk: nothing will be screwed up 22.52.02 # ripnetuk: hopefully 22.52.03 # but they are saved on recorder anyway, in the RTC ram 22.52.07 # i love the speed the USB comes on line 22.52.29 # so why is the player's USB connection so slow for transfers... it sucks :P 22.52.31 # when does it save? 22.52.37 # ripnetuk: when you leave the settings menu 22.52.40 # in fact, the current code will not save to disk on recorder since it uses a #ifdef HAVE_RTC #else #endif 22.53.08 # Zagor: oh, so the save to disk is useless on the recorder for now then? 22.53.11 # i dont think it worked, unless its WELL quick 22.53.29 # MeRWiN: well, I'd say "pointless" rather than "useless" :-) 22.53.36 # Zagor: hah. 22.54.02 # it saved it somewhere, am I to take it it saved to RTC? 22.54.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.54.16 # ripnetuk: yes 22.55.03 # its worth using rockbox just for faster scrolling :) 22.55.19 # ripnetuk: you can set that scrolling to be MAD fast 22.55.33 # yeah, got it on 20 - perfect 22.55.41 # heh. I only use 6 22.57.41 # time for me to order some room service i think 23.01.05 # a while ago, someone said it doesnt charge when Rockbox is loaded and running, i assume this was either untrue / is fixed? (about to make the jump full time :) ) 23.01.25 # ripnetuk: it's being tested right now... the charging patch 23.01.31 # k 23.01.44 # ripnetuk: so far the testing of the patch is successful 23.02.50 # i'm not sure when it's going to be included though 23.03.13 # but does it charge OK when switched off then? 23.03.19 # ripnetuk: yes 23.03.24 # cool 23.08.11 # sorry for random pinging... have to see if i am still on the network 23.08.24 # how hard would it be to implement a button-beep? kinda like 'yeah i heard you and im working on it' 23.08.39 # ripnetuk: pretty gritty, actually. we only have one sound channel. 23.08.57 # (well, two, but only one "path") 23.09.11 # Zagor: could figure out what a beep would be like in an MP3 frame and shoot that through inbetween regular playing 23.09.12 # heh 23.09.19 # i guess it would involve putting the mp3 of a beep into the buffer exactly at the point where it was playing, and dealing with the fact that it may overrun the buffer? 23.09.36 # ripnetuk: trust me, the buffer right now is more than enough :) 23.09.47 # yeah, and the data feed is DMA powered, so it's not an easy job 23.10.44 # maybe reducing the volume to 0 for a fraction of a second would be enough to provide feedback? 23.10.54 # ripnetuk: hmm... that could be done actually 23.11.09 # ripnetuk: might get annoying if you're going through menus though while you're playing 23.11.48 # ripnetuk: and if you're not playing anything, you wouldn't have any feedback 23.11.51 # its just sometimes, a song is playing, you press next, and it has to spin up the disk before you know it has done anything... its just like my On digital box except that it always responds eventually 23.12.05 # maybe just for track fwd / back 23.12.09 # ahh 23.12.13 # i'll look into that 23.12.22 # well it stops playback as soon as you press next, doesn't it? 23.12.31 # Zagor: that's true 23.12.35 # zag - not always, im trying to find the pattern 23.12.47 # ripnetuk: you using playlists? 23.12.50 # no 23.13.26 # try skipping 2 tracks quite quickly after one another and u will see what i mean 23.13.50 # ah, if the disk is running the switch is so fast the playback doesn't stop much 23.14.10 # ripnetuk: i see what you mean 23.14.39 # if the disc has spun down, it seems to stop straight away... btw - sorry to sound like a winger - youve done a great job 23.14.54 # ripnetuk: feedback is a good thing 23.14.55 # :-) no problem 23.15.01 # cool :) 23.20.56 # tomorow is gonna be my first outing without the 'real' firmware running... will let u know how it goes 23.21.15 # k 23.21.23 # i went 8 hours on an airplane without the real firmware 23.21.36 # Zagor: what measurement is the id3->length in? 23.21.59 # milliseconds 23.22.04 # thought so 23.22.55 # trying to work a patch for that playlist problem :) (a temporary one) 23.22.58 # for me 23.22.59 # :) 23.23.04 # fakeam 23.23.13 # fakeam? 23.23.36 # sorry, ive got a proggy i wrote to login to a VM machine, and it doesnt check that it has focus before it sends the keystrokes... 23.23.46 # heh 23.27.21 # good evening. 23.27.26 # evening 23.27.31 # hi 23.37.09 Quit ripnetuk () 23.42.56 # i'm off. see you next week. 23.42.57 Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") 23.44.02 Quit jedix (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.56.32 Quit MeRWiN ()