--- Log for 09.08.102  Server: gibson.openprojects.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.01.55 #       <Bagder> perhaps we should consider using a larger font when simulating the player
00.02.06 #       <Bagder> but not now
00.02.10 #       <Zagor> good idea
00.06.27 #       <Zagor> updated: http://rockbox.haxx.se/download/
00.06.43 #       <Bagder> cool
00.07.05 #       <Bagder> but its August 9 today
00.07.20 #       <Bagder> (release notes)
00.07.23 #       <Zagor> nag nag :-)
00.10.45 #       <mecraw> it's only the 8th over here
00.10.51 #       <Bagder> hehe
00.12.45 #       <Bagder> so when I change the simplayer font to the biggest
00.12.57 #       <Bagder> should I increase the size used for the icons too?
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00.13.58 #       <Zagor> I don't know. Probably 8 pixels is enough, but if it looks odd we can resize that too.
00.16.54 #       <Bagder> actually, it looks fine with 8
00.17.11 #       <Bagder> I'll commit and you can have a look
00.17.51 #       <Bagder> you tagged the sources for the 1.2 release already, right?
00.17.51 #       <Zagor> ok
00.17.54 #       <Zagor> no
00.18.00 #       <Zagor> but the simulator is... ok :-)
00.18.05 #       <Zagor> or send me a patch
00.18.28 #       <Bagder> thing is I need to patch in apps too
00.18.34 #       <Zagor> ok, wait then. i'll tag
00.18.40 #       <Zagor> where will you patch?
00.19.05 #       <Bagder> menu.c
00.20.02 #       <Zagor> don't commit until tomorrow. murphy says we'll find a bug there...
00.20.54 #       <Bagder> oh well, I thought you already made the release archive
00.20.58 #       <Bagder> but I'll wait
00.21.06 #       <Zagor> no, i've just prepared the web page
00.21.15 #       <Zagor> and the boot screens are fake :-)
00.21.32 #       <Bagder> hehe
00.21.57 #       <Bagder> put the wps screen dump in the manual
00.22.08 #       <Zagor> right
00.22.16 #       <Bagder> the games screens could go there too to lighten things up
00.22.29 #       <Bagder> and the player boot screen
00.22.37 #       <Zagor> the dir browser pic too, it's better than the one that's there
00.22.45 #       <Bagder> right
00.34.07 #       <Bagder> I comitted some left out manual fixes I had
00.35.11 #       <Bagder> we need to add F3 on several pages
00.37.35 #       <Zagor> oh, plain luck we didn't modify the same pages :-)
00.37.57 #       <Bagder> well, I added two new
00.39.21 #       <Zagor> general and sound menu are old
00.39.27 #       <Zagor> screenshots, i mean
00.39.38 #       <Bagder> ye
00.39.39 #       <Bagder> s
00.40.27 #       <Zagor> checking in my changes
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00.42.33 #       <Bagder> you left out "charger" symbol from the wps status bar descr
00.42.41 #       <Zagor> ah
00.42.45 #       <Bagder> it is not shown though
00.43.53 #       <Bagder> I thought about putting various texts in #include files so they can easily be used on several pages
00.45.15 #       <Zagor> naah
00.55.09 #       <Zagor> is anyone online two can test a windows sim?
01.15.59 #       <elinenbe> I am here.  I can test.
01.16.05 #       <elinenbe> But, I cannot compile it.
01.17.20 #       <Zagor> http://rockbox.haxx.se/rec-win32/uisw32.exe
01.17.39 #       <Bagder> Zagor: you did anything to make it work?
01.18.06 #       <Bagder> or is that provided by someone else?
01.18.37 #       <Zagor> i just built it, no changes
01.18.42 #       <Zagor> right, that bugged...
01.18.48 #       <Bagder> exactly
01.19.10 #       <elinenbe> anything in particular you want me to test?
01.20.03 #       <Zagor> no, I just wanted to check that the build worked
01.20.07 #       <Zagor> but it doesn't
01.20.37 #       <Zagor> wine barfs on it completely...
01.20.39 #       <elinenbe> nopes.
01.20.46 #       <elinenbe> does not work at all here.
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05.37.00 #       <RedLeg> ANybodyalive in here?
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06.21.15 #       <MeRWiN> hey mr wood
06.22.43 #       <RedLeg> Life!
06.22.46 #       <rwood> hi MeRwiN
06.23.19 #       <rwood> i'm waiting for linus - i have an idea about the problems with ROLO
06.23.20 #       <RedLeg> You guys up to field a question?
06.24.45 #       <rwood> i'm a newbie, but fire away, someone may answer
06.25.29 #       <RedLeg> I'm building out of CVS, and now have what looks like a repeat or loop icon on my REC20
06.25.49 #       <RedLeg> I want to get out of this mode, but can't figure out how...
06.28.30 #       <rwood> i'm using a player - we can't afford icons - maybe you can get an answer when one of the heavy weights joins the channel
06.29.16 #       <RedLeg> Sorry to hear that, thanks for answering anyway.
06.29.45 #       <RedLeg> The players do no graphics at *all* ?
06.30.52 #       <rwood> it's only 6:30 in stockholm, one of the leads will probably be on soon
06.31.24 #       <rwood> RedLeg: yes, as far as i know, player is text only
06.31.33 #       <RedLeg> 'K, I'll hang in for a while...
06.32.10 #       <RedLeg> rwood: Hmmm, anybody though about ascii art?
06.32.14 #       <MeRWiN> RedLeg: one of the config options is for loop i believe... repeat is enabled by default
06.32.26 #       <MeRWiN> RedLeg: the player has a set character set
06.32.29 #       <MeRWiN> unfortunately
06.33.10 #       <RedLeg> MeRWiN: Config opts as in Menu, or compile time?
06.33.23 #       <MeRWiN> RedLeg: in the menu. But it may not exist yet :)
06.33.52 #       <RedLeg> MeRWiN: Ah, the joys of living on the bleeding edge...
06.34.03 #       <MeRWiN> RedLeg: hey, but it's a nice bleeding edge
06.34.22 #       <RedLeg> MeRWiN: No complaints though, RB passed the stock firmware in useability LONG ago IMHO
06.34.38 #       <MeRWiN> rwood: you might be waiting a bit for linus...
06.35.01 #       <MeRWiN> RedLeg: yeah, the only feature that I'm really missing is fast forward within a song... and having quicker track changes would be nice too
06.35.59 #       <rwood> the biggest issues that i have are track change time and back/previous
06.36.34 #       <rwood> i use it in the car and don't see the display once i select a dir/playlist and hit go
06.36.44 #       <RedLeg> MeRWiN: That doesn't bother me at all...  I usually play an album at a time, use a playlist or just let is shuffle
06.36.56 #       <MeRWiN> RedLeg: I usually just set it to shuffle too
06.37.24 #       <MeRWiN> rwood: what do you mean you don't see the display?
06.37.25 #       <RedLeg> Has anyone though about .cddb parsing to get around ID3 limitations?
06.37.53 #       <MeRWiN> RedLeg: I've personally found that cddb for mp3's doesn't work too well for me
06.38.26 #       <rwood> MeRWiN: i use the player with a cassette adapter, i hit start and put the player between the parking brake and console.
06.38.33 #       <MeRWiN> rwood: ahh
06.38.55 #       <rwood> i put a drop of hot glue on the next button so that i can find it easily
06.39.01 Nick    dwihno|zzz is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE)
06.39.18 #       <RedLeg> MeRWiN: I got hooked on jwz's GRONK, which depends on .cddb files.  I got used to faking them up if I didn't rim `em myself.
06.39.41 #       <RedLeg> MeRWiN: s/rim/rip/
06.39.58 #       <MeRWiN> Hmm... I wonder if we could process .cddb files quickly enough with our wonderful processor
06.41.01 #       <rwood> it would be interesting to run a profile program, but i'll bet that the processor is less then 20% utilized
06.41.04 #       <RedLeg> MeRWiN: I don't see why not.  It can't be any harder than parsing ID3s, and there's no length or charset limitation (that I know of)
06.41.22 #       <RedLeg> MeRWiN: Plus, handy perl reference code....
06.42.07 #       <RedLeg> MeRWiN: There *is* a PERL interpreter in the RB, right?   <GD&R>
06.42.14 #       <MeRWiN> RedLeg: haha.. 
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06.42.39 #       <rwood> MeRWiN: your next assignment
06.42.45 #       <RedLeg> MeRWiN: Still, from what I understand, it should be simple.
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06.45.00 #       <MeRWiN> rwood: next assignment :)  I'm going to get the EQ Presets done next (after 1.2 is out)
06.45.15 #       <MeRWiN> RedLeg: Hmm... CDDB would be an interesting feature to have
06.45.37 #       <dwihno> MeRWiN: individual configuration of the presets would be nice :)
06.45.38 #       <RedLeg> MeRWiN: Are you folks familiar with jwz's GRONK?
06.45.44 #       <MeRWiN> RedLeg: nope
06.45.56 #       <MeRWiN> dwihno: i've already got the patch, just need to implement it with SAVE_TO_DISK also
06.46.02 #       <RedLeg> Ah....  http://www.jwz.org/gronk
06.46.18 #       <dwihno> MeRWiN: ah, mkay
06.46.36 #       <MeRWiN> dwihno: actually, one of the cvs updates fucked with my patch so I'm rewriting it :)
06.47.01 #       <rwood> MeRwiN: SAVE_TO_DISK and all that follows in the next great leap for RB
06.47.01 #       <RedLeg> He's one of the old sk00l hax0rs, responsible for lucid emacs, early netscape and started the mozilla project
06.47.51 #       <MeRWiN> Too bad I don't use unix primarily
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06.48.32 #       <RedLeg> MeRWiN: Easy to cure....
06.48.43 #       <MeRWiN> not on my laptop :(  It's a work laptop
06.48.46 #       <RedLeg> 8-)
06.48.52 #       <MeRWiN> the closest I can get is cygwin
06.48.53 #       <RedLeg> So's mine....
06.49.13 #       <RedLeg> It's amazing what you can get away with if you NEVER call the help desk
06.49.20 #       <rwood> RedLeg: not so easy if the company software is all DOS/Windows based
06.49.49 #       <MeRWiN> RedLeg: Win2k SP3 got rid of my ability to use the Nortel VPN client :)  It kept saying that the drivers weren't installed properly, but I uninstalled SP3 and it worked fine again
06.50.14 #       <rwood> i am also using cygwin. i tried the KPIT package, but couldn't get the make files and scripts to work properly
06.50.51 #       <RedLeg> That doesn't sound right.... we use it, and I have had virtually no probs...
06.51.09 #       <MeRWiN> Cygwin is a godsend
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06.51.39 #       <RedLeg> As far as running dos/winblows apps, look at http://www.codeweavers.com
06.51.41 #       <MeRWiN> elinenbe!
06.51.54 #       <RedLeg> I use crossover plugin, and it R0X!
06.52.01 #       <MeRWiN> RedLeg: Can't run activex objects... our Prepaid billing system runs on IE
06.52.50 #       <RedLeg> New version of crossover office came out yesterday, worth a look....
06.53.01 #       <MeRWiN> free?
06.53.03 #       <RedLeg> IE  -->  Gag...
06.53.18 #       <RedLeg> Close, $55 US
06.53.26 #       <MeRWiN> $55 more than i have *grin*
06.53.29 #       <RedLeg> Cheaper than Win2K
06.53.36 #       <rwood> i've been supporting 
06.54.24 #       <rwood> (sorry) BGates since F80 (fortran for CPM in the early 80's
06.54.45 #       <rwood> i'd like to get out of the update cycle at some point
06.55.21 #       <RedLeg> You need crisis intervention, dude.....
06.55.36 #       <rwood> amen
06.55.37 #       <RedLeg> We CAN deprogram you
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07.06.29 #       <RedLeg> ?
07.10.14 #       <MeRWiN> wow, Wine is doing great... I didn't know it had progressed so far (last time i used it was when it only supported win3.1)
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07.18.30 #       <RedLeg> MeRWiN: yeah, it rox... crossover is worth the $$ just for the environment setup scripts.
07.19.13 #       <MeRWiN> RedLeg: crossover run the same amount of programs as wine?
07.19.54 #       <RedLeg> MeRWiN: Crossover --IS-- wine, with some commercial developers behind is, and a sane set of default scripts
07.20.11 #       <MeRWiN> RedLeg: Interesting... so how do they sell it? 
07.21.52 #       <RedLeg> MeRWiN: You buy a -package-, install scripts, support, etc.
07.22.01 #       <MeRWiN> ahh
07.22.01 #       <MeRWiN> k
07.24.46 #       <RedLeg> tis worth it, trust me...  test drive the crossover plugin, you won't believe how much you get for $25.95
07.25.05 #       <MeRWiN> :)
07.28.36 #       <rwood> MeRWiN: you said you are using win - what IRC package are you using?
07.29.05 #       <MeRWiN> rwood: mirc... Just because it's nice and small and I've been using it for about 8 years now
07.30.12 #       <MeRWiN> rwood: what do you use?
07.30.32 #       <rwood> MeRWiN: i downloaded it last night and am still trying to figure it out - the documentation talks about a zillion / options but doesn't describe the graphical interface
07.31.13 #       <MeRWiN> rwood: It's really easy to use... the options menu has everything. although there is some shortcuts that aren't described anywhere and you just find over time
07.33.17 #       <rwood> MeRWiM: one quick question - is there a short cut/whatever for putting in the nickame you are addressing - ie MeRWiN - the caps drive me crazy
07.33.54 #       <RedLeg> rwood: try "Me <tab>"
07.34.00 #       <MeRWiN> yeah... what RedLeg said
07.34.41 #       <rwood> RedLeg: thanks my shift fingers thank you
07.36.00 #       <MeRWiN> rwood: saves me from accidently typing Badger instead of Bagder :-)
07.36.47 #       <rwood> MeRWiN: looking back i've brutalized you several times
07.37.06 #       <RedLeg> rwood: natch.... I hate IRC actually,  the shortcuts are the only saving grace
07.40.55 #       <MeRWiN> brb
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07.43.49 #       <Linus> dwihno: umea.se?
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07.44.49 #       <rwood> RedLeg: Linus can probably answer your question
07.45.26 #       <Linus> ?
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07.45.39 #       <Linus> Baggy!
07.45.42 #       <Bagder> morning
07.45.43 #       <RedLeg> First, thanks for all the fine work....
07.45.54 #       <Linus> thx
07.46.09 #       <MeRWiN> morn
07.46.33 #       <dwihno> Linus: umea.se! Yay!
07.46.37 #       <RedLeg> Linus: I'm compiling out of CVS, and lately have what looks like a loop or repeat icon on the statusbar of my REC20
07.46.42 #       <dwihno> Linus: or did you actually mean something? :)
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07.47.00 #       <Linus> dwihno: i thought you were in Stockholm
07.47.08 #       <Linus> RedLeg: yes?
07.47.12 #       <Bagder> RedLeg: indeedo
07.47.14 #       <dwihno> Linus: I am.
07.47.23 #       <Linus> the repeat is always on at the moment
07.47.30 #       <RedLeg> I'm trying to figure out how to make it go back to normal play-to-end-of-list mode
07.47.35 #       <RedLeg> Ah....
07.47.41 #       <Linus> sorry about that
07.47.49 #       <RedLeg> No complaints. 
07.47.55 #       <Bagder> RedLeg: we postponed that effort to after 1.2
07.48.10 #       <RedLeg> BTSOO the stock firmware for some time now....
07.48.17 #       <Linus> Actually, i am working on the playlist looping as we speak
07.48.20 #       <dwihno> Bagder: I am doing my laundry now :-)
07.48.36 #       <Linus> it still bugs, even after Zagors latest fix
07.48.37 #       <Bagder> dwihno: sounds very fun, I wish I could be there with you B-)
07.48.51 #       <Linus> share moments, share life
07.49.00 #       <Bagder> Linus: so you fix things for 1.2 still?
07.49.03 #       <RedLeg> I'm staying up `til 0200 to chat w/ RB developers.... still not recovered from DEFCON!
07.49.14 #       <Linus> Bagder: i could leave the bug there if you wish
07.49.30 #       <Bagder> Linus: -i leave that for you to decide
07.49.35 #       <dwihno> Bagder: I understand your envy! I am using two washing machines today - amusement x 2!
07.49.39 #       <Linus> it isn't all that dangerous
07.49.51 #       <Linus> only for farbror frej fans
07.49.53 #       <dwihno> :D
07.50.02 #       <Bagder> heheh
07.50.11 #       <dwihno> farbror frej is the coolest!
07.50.50 #       <Linus> there are a zillion special cases to take care of in playlist_next() because we don't have the peek()
07.51.20 #       <Bagder> Linus: so perhaps we need to put the peek back?
07.51.24 #       <Bagder> and make it behave
07.51.26 #       <Linus> perhaps
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07.51.39 #       <Linus> but that would be post-1.2
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07.51.52 #       <Bagder> Linus: right
07.52.03 #       <Bagder> Zagor has prepared the download page already
07.52.04 #       <dwihno> Bollen på mejseln och tusseli-toss, så har vi gjort oss ett tomtebloss!
07.52.33 #       <Linus> Has he tagged the files yet?
07.52.33 #       <Bagder> so everything is set for release today
07.52.51 #       <Bagder> Linus: no, only "prepared" not done it for real yet
07.53.09 #       <Linus> i'll commit as soon as he have done that
07.53.18 #       <Bagder> I have a neat player-simulator fix coming in the second he tags ;-)
07.53.34 #       <Linus> we have a ton of patches too
07.54.25 #       <dwihno> I didn't know you actually could make a CD-ROM with a regular music disc and caviar ;)
07.54.54 #       <Linus> dwihno: Farbror Frej is not only a singer, he is a scientist
07.56.34 #       <Bagder> hehe, someone mailed "subscribe me" to majordomo
07.56.58 #       <Bagder> so the confirmation mail went to me@cool.haxx.se
07.57.04 #       <dwihno> Linus: hahahaha :)
07.57.04 #       <Linus> i still haven't been approved on the announce list
07.57.28 #       <Bagder> "Aug 08 07:13:07 cool.haxx.se majordomo[12481] {"Nielsen Linus (ext)" <Linus.Nie\
07.57.28 #       <Bagder> lsen@elema.siemens.se>} request subscribe rockbox-announce linus@haxx.se"
07.57.53 #       <Linus> yes, i have subscribed
07.57.58 #       <Linus> but i am "awaiting approval"
07.58.40 #       <Bagder> I wonder if that might require Björn's touch
07.58.46 #       <Linus> probably
07.58.59 #       <Linus> too many things do, unfortunately
07.59.09 #       <Bagder> right
08.00.42 #       <Bagder> the compile status table looks fiiiiine
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08.02.10 #       <dwihno> How soon will the release of 1.2 take place?
08.02.13 #       <dwihno> 2 hours
08.02.14 #       <dwihno> 3?
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08.02.45 #       <Bagder> when Zagor wakes up ;-)
08.03.14 #       <dwihno> In 8 hours then :-)
08.03.30 #       <Bagder> lazy person B)
08.03.40 #       <dwihno> I am concerned about the insane amount of coffee you people are consuming
08.04.34 #       <Bagder> don't worry, we can affort it... *g*
08.04.45 #       <dwihno> :-)
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08.07.23 #       <Bagder> mbr: here?
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08.08.58 #       <Linus> lazy germans... :-)
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08.09.28 #       <Linus> MeRWiN: connection problems?
08.09.43 #       <MeRWiN> Linus: trying to figure out an IRC script... 
08.09.47 #       <Linus> ah
08.09.49 #       <MeRWiN> the themes aren't working right
08.10.11 #       <RedLeg> Linus: Gotta sleep.... thanks again
08.10.21 #       <Linus> night RedLeg!
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08.11.09 #       <MeRWiN> well I give up almost
08.12.55 #       <MeRWiN> os(Windows 2000 Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.0 - 2195)) ram(Usage: 218/320MB (68.13%)) uptime(5hrs 24mins 45secs) screen(1024x768 16bit 60Hz) drives(c: (5.84G/11.24G), e: (0G/0.05G), f: (0G/0.06G))
08.13.04 #       <MeRWiN> ack
08.13.40 #       <rwood> all we wanted to know about MeRWiN
08.13.50 #       <MeRWiN> rwood: damn themes
08.13.51 #       <MeRWiN> :)
08.16.44 #       <rwood> I'm gone for a week - thought i might have a problem with icode section, but it looks like crt0 takes care of it
08.17.06 #       <Linus> rwood: please elaborate
08.18.31 #       <rwood> Linus: the testing that i did on ROLO was before the icode section was implemented - but it looks like crt0 copies icode from 0x09xxxxx to 0x0fxxxxx
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08.18.55 #       <Linus> yes?
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08.19.50 #       <rwood> Linus: i thought the problem that you had may have been associated with icode, now i don't
08.20.17 #       <Linus> no, i don't think so either
08.20.37 #       <Linus> i don't see how icode can have anything to do with it
08.20.38 #       <MeRWiN> brb again
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08.21.23 #       <dwihno> how did merwin do that? :)
08.21.57 #       <rwood> Linus: when i get back i am going to order a recorder - if you don't have time to look at the problem, i'll continue when i get the recorder
08.22.15 #       <Bagder> hehe, that's the spirit! ;-)
08.22.34 #       <Linus> rwood: great!
08.22.42 #       <Linus> the recorder rox!
08.23.09 #       <Linus> (i wish i could get rid of that disturbing background noise...)
08.23.21 #       <Linus> my unit is noisy
08.23.34 #       <rwood> speaking of spirit - don't try to code on 2 martinis - back after a week with the in-laws - over and out
08.23.45 #       <Linus> and i hear a loud POP when i start it up
08.23.54 #       <Bagder> pop?
08.23.59 #       <Bagder> I don't get any
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08.24.18 #       <Bagder> only synthpop, but that's intentional ;-)
08.24.20 #       <Linus> no, it's just my unit
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08.26.33 #       <Bagder> Linus: btw, I like the idea of having the mpeg thread spindown do like now if no recent keypress, and otherwise use the "current" timeout
08.27.11 #       <Linus> yeah, it's probably the most sensible thing to do
08.28.20 #       <Linus> it's just an ata.c fix
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08.28.35 #       <Linus> or maybe not...
08.28.40 #       <Linus> hmmm
08.28.51 #       <Bagder> isn't it the mpeg that should check for a recent key and if there was, not force spindown?
08.29.09 #       <Linus> i don't like mpeg to check for keys
08.29.15 #       <Bagder> true
08.29.22 #       <dwihno> Yay! I got a SMS! :-D
08.29.28 #       <dwihno> I just love that
08.29.34 #       <Linus> but it could ask the ata driver if the disk is spinning before it starts loading
08.29.44 #       <Bagder> ah, good idea
08.29.58 #       * Bagder gets his mail by SMS off work hours
08.30.00 #       <dwihno> Music tip: SMS to my heart, by Modern talking. From the albm
08.30.01 #       <Linus> i'll do that
08.30.03 #       <dwihno> amertica
08.30.05 #       <dwihno> america
08.31.02 #       <Linus> by the way, i'm starting to dislike the directory name "firmware"
08.31.10 #       <Bagder> yeah
08.31.12 #       <Linus> it should be "os" or something
08.31.15 #       <Bagder> it's off
08.31.24 #       <Bagder> "kernel" could work too
08.31.29 #       <Linus> yeah
08.31.31 #       <Bagder> or "core"
08.31.42 #       <Bagder> but that would confuse unix people ;-)
08.31.42 #       <Linus> anything but "firmware"
08.32.02 #       <Bagder> thing is we can't rename that easily now
08.32.11 #       <Linus> not in CVS :-(
08.32.21 #       <Bagder> we need svn!
08.32.31 #       <Linus> svn?
08.32.40 #       <Bagder> subversion
08.32.43 #       <Linus> ah
08.33.00 #       <Bagder> funnily enough Hadaka is also involved in the svn project
08.33.17 #       <Linus> it's a small Open Source worls
08.33.20 #       <Linus> world
08.33.33 #       <Bagder> yeah
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08.39.43 #       <adi|home> well.. we _could_ do the switch at the same time we go gold on 1.2
08.39.54 #       <adi|home> just take all the stuff and recursively commit it
08.40.27 #       <Bagder> sure, it is possible
08.40.31 #       <MeRWiN> OK, I think I have this whole theme thing down
08.40.55 #       <Bagder> but we lose the history
08.42.37 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
08.43.41 #       <adi|home> nods
08.43.43 #       <adi|home> i know
08.43.50 #       <adi|home> but once we're at 1.2, does it matter?
08.44.05 #       <Bagder> I'd rather live with a somewhat bad name
08.44.06 #       <adi|home> i mean, dont destroy the old 'firmware; branch
08.44.11 #       <adi|home> just don't reference it anymore
08.44.25 #       <adi|home> and once we are sufficently happy.. it goes bye ye
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08.49.50 #       * Bagder nickserv identify nintendo
08.49.58 #       <Bagder> bah
08.50.04 #       <StalkerScript80> hmm
08.50.06 #       * Bagder runs hiding
08.50.07 Nick    StalkerScript80 is now known as MeRWiN- (~Stalker@12.242.185.10)
08.50.51 Mode    "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
08.51.09 Mode    "#rockbox +o Linus " by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
08.51.53 DBUG    Enqueued KICK MeRWiN-
08.51.53 #       <MeRWiN-> 0,1Memory(RAM): Usage: 234/320MB (73.13%) 12[4|||||||14|||12]
08.51.58 #       <MeRWiN-> wow, this is annoying
08.52.55 #       <Linus> MeRWiN-: you scared us when joining as "StalkerScript80"
08.52.59 #       <MeRWiN-> hah
08.53.01 #       <MeRWiN-> sorry :)
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08.53.21 DBUG    Enqueued KICK MeRWiN
08.53.26 #       <MeRWiN> trying out different scripts
08.53.36 #       <Linus> what do those scripts do`+
08.54.09 #       <MeRWiN> Just basically make irc look nice and colorize it on my screen
08.54.13 #       <MeRWiN> autojoin, etc
08.54.18 #       <Linus> ok
08.54.19 #       <MeRWiN> kind of like BitchX for windows
08.54.52 Ctcp    Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 minute and 28 seconds at the last flood
08.54.52 #       * Bagder changes his inckserv password ;-)
08.55.03 #       <Linus> hehe
08.55.16 #       * Bagder can't write /msg 
08.55.35 #       <MeRWiN> brb
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08.55.44 #       <Linus> i don't have a registered nick
08.55.45 Nick    StalkerScript80 is now known as MeRWiN (~Stalker@12.242.185.10)
08.56.10 #       <Bagder> Linus: if you had, adiamas could set you up for ops
08.56.11 #       <Linus> MeRWiN: you might consider testing your script in a separate channel
08.56.33 #       <Linus> "Linus" is kind of busy
08.56.46 #       <Bagder> is it? you use it here all the time, right?
08.56.55 #       <MeRWiN> Linus: sorry :) I think i'm finished testing
08.56.59 #       <Linus> yes, but nickserv complains
08.57.07 #       <Bagder> aha
08.58.05 #       <Linus> I guess i could make up a nice nick, but i like "Linus"
08.58.31 #       <adi|home> lol
08.58.38 #       <adi|home> hmm what i miss?
08.58.49 #       <Bagder> my password ;-)
08.58.50 #       <Linus> is my english that bad? :-)
08.58.53 #       <adi|home> oh.. i saw that
08.58.57 #       <adi|home> very creatvie ;)
08.59.05 #       <Bagder> hehe
08.59.06 #       <adi|home> Linus you want onto the op list?
08.59.21 #       <Linus> yes, but can i, without a registered nick?
08.59.26 #       <adi|home> nope
08.59.30 #       <adi|home> need a registered nick
08.59.52 #       <Linus> that was what we were discussing
09.00.07 #       <adi|home> Bagder: i prefer "msg chanserv op #rockbox myBosS1s4D1ck
09.00.08 #       <adi|home> lol
09.00.55 #       <Linus> how do you check if a nick is occupied?
09.01.23 #       <adi|home> try and register it
09.01.34 #       * adi|home notices that his space key must be rusting
09.01.41 #       <adi|home> after i spilled soda on my keyboard
09.01.50 #       <adi|home> 10 years, never had a single spill on my keyboard
09.01.55 #       <adi|home> in one night i had 3
09.01.58 #       <adi|home> i was SO pissed
09.02.10 #       <Linus> i filled my keyboard with Coke once
09.02.21 #       <Linus> i took it apart and rinsed it
09.02.45 #       <Linus> worked perfectly
09.02.57 #       <Linus> except for the 's' key...
09.03.25 #       <Linus> a whole days work lost in Adobe Premere, because CTRL-S didn't work...
09.03.59 #       <MeRWiN> how can you register your nick?
09.05.38 #       <adi|home> ummm.. last i check.. i think
09.05.53 #       <adi|home>    "/msg nickserv help
09.05.55 #       <MeRWiN> Linus: ouch
09.06.08 #       <adi|home> "/msg nickserv register"
09.06.23 #       <adi|home> "/msg nickserv register <password>"
09.06.42 #       <MeRWiN> neato...
09.07.01 #       <Linus> aha! "The nickname [linusn] is not registered"
09.07.23 #       <MeRWiN> linus is taken though?
09.07.27 #       <Linus> yes
09.07.49 #       <MeRWiN> well that sucks... i guess linus would be taken.. after all, take #linuxhelp :) Someone would have registered it
09.08.01 #       <Linus> interestingly, the registered nick is "LinuS", but nickserv seems to be case insensitive
09.08.26 #       <MeRWiN> last seen 34 weeks ago
09.08.26 #       <Linus> "Last Seen: 34 weeks 4 days (12h 1m 54s) ago"
09.08.45 #       <Linus> i want to kill it
09.08.48 #       <MeRWiN> I wonder if you can
09.08.57 #       <Linus> i can't
09.09.09 #       <MeRWiN> There must be someone who can :P
09.09.14 #       <Linus> "RECOVER    Kill another user who has taken your nick"
09.09.19 #       <Linus> hmmm
09.09.28 #       <Linus> how do i take another person's nick?
09.09.44 #       <MeRWiN> Without having their password, not easy probably
09.10.18 #       <Linus> so RECOVER is more like trying with an old password?
09.10.41 #       <MeRWiN> Possibly
09.11.29 #       <MeRWiN> recover kills someone if they took your nickname... but you have to have the password
09.12.07 #       <Linus> yes, but how do i take another persons nickname?
09.12.48 #       <MeRWiN> same way you are logged in right now :)  If the registered linus logged in, he could take the nickname back by using the recover command
09.13.17 #       <Linus> ok, so if he decides to join this channel he can kick me out?
09.13.35 #       <MeRWiN> if he decides to log on to openprojects.net
09.13.43 #       <Linus> ok
09.14.50 #       <adi|home> Linus do you work from home and work?
09.15.15 #       <Linus> "linust                     created 1 week 5 days (13h 8m 32s) ago"
09.15.20 #       <dwihno> linus is a workaholic
09.15.21 #       <Linus> i wonder who that is?
09.15.25 #       <dwihno> he drinks coffee 24/7
09.15.31 #       <Linus> i am at work
09.15.35 #       <dwihno> Workaholic!
09.15.47 #       <Linus> long compile times is a rockboxer's dream
09.16.49 #       <dwihno> The workaholic he works every day, 24 hours, no time to play. He won't quit; he's addicted to work, I think he's going out like a jerk. Working, Working, what can you do? See the light from a different point of view! Ready in the morning for the bell to chime, I think he's glad it's working
09.16.49 #       <dwihno> Time!
09.17.05 #       <dwihno> 2 unlimited - workaholic
09.17.14 #       <dwihno> reminds me of when I was younger ,)
09.17.51 #       <adi|home> well. you could do like i do
09.17.55 #       <adi|home> Linus|work
09.17.57 #       <adi|home> and Linus|home
09.18.04 #       * adi|home life is easier that wya
09.18.19 #       * adi|home sends his work name pm's that way to remember shit
09.19.15 #       <dwihno> Or you can use a SSH connection to your box @ home or such :)
09.19.58 #       <adi|home> nah.. i don't want to access the machine
09.20.04 #       <adi|home> just leave a message for when i get there :)
09.20.38 #       <adi|home> http://rockbox.haxx.se/tshirt-contest/bagder-shirt.png
09.20.40 #       <adi|home> lol
09.20.42 #       <adi|home> i love it :)
09.21.11 #       <adi|home> how about 'where there is a will and shitty firmware, there's a way'
09.23.42 #       <Bagder> :-)
09.24.08 #       <Bagder> feel free to improve on my design!
09.26.48 #       <Linus> Bagder: the logo should be larger
09.27.36 #       <Linus> i think "linusn" will do fine, don't you think?
09.28.15 #       <Linus> (it should probably be "linusnf" for Linus Nielsen Feltzing)
09.29.03 #       <Bagder> Linus: well, the logo could be larger yes, but I'm not really a graphics guy, you know that
09.29.21 #       <Linus> Bagder: i know that for sure *shrug* :-)
09.29.37 #       <dwihno> Time to do the dishes
09.29.41 #       <Bagder> I just needed to boost the contest
09.29.45 #       <dwihno> I know you all envy me ;)
09.30.10 #       <dwihno> Bagder: can you help me out with the dishes since you were unable to help me out eith the laundry? :)
09.30.35 #       <Bagder> dwihno: sure, just send it over. I'm in Västberga right now!
09.31.05 #       <dwihno> Bagder: örps, Västberga? where's that?
09.31.17 #       <Bagder> near Midsommarkransen
09.31.29 #       <dwihno> and where's that? :)
09.31.35 #       <dwihno> My lokalsinne is not that good ya'know :)
09.31.36 #       <Linus> dwihno: where are you?
09.31.47 #       <Bagder> hehe, south of stockholm
09.31.59 #       <dwihno> I found my way home tuesday night with a nattbuss. I was rather pleased I actually got home at the first attempt! :)
09.32.02 #       <dwihno> Norsborg :)
09.32.19 #       <dwihno> I used to live in the southern parts previousley
09.33.03 #       <dwihno> I need to do the dishes. Damn, how boring.
09.33.15 #       <dwihno> Fortunately, I got my archos to play music making the time pass faster :)
09.33.15 #       <Linus> we have machines for that
09.33.55 #       <dwihno> "If you want something done, you better do it yourself" :)
09.35.54 #       <dwihno> A little poll: Do you people lock your workstations when leaving for a short/long while?
09.35.59 #       <Linus> yes
09.36.10 #       <Linus> always
09.36.22 #       <dwihno> How come?
09.36.33 #       <Linus> i'm paranoid
09.36.33 #       <Bagder> *YES*
09.36.43 #       <dwihno> ah
09.36.46 #       <dwihno> that explains it :-)
09.36.52 #       <Bagder> I lock it if I leave even for a few secs
09.36.53 #       <dwihno> How complex password do you have?
09.37.31 #       <Linus> dwihno: let me put it like this: i wish i had 20 fingers :-)
09.37.39 #       <dwihno> :)
09.38.18 #       <dwihno> Well, if you use emacs, you need 20 fingers in order to be able to use it :-)
09.38.39 #       <Bagder> you're halucinating now dwihno
09.38.51 #       <Bagder> emacs is intuitive
09.38.54 #       <dwihno> Must be the fumes from the dishes
09.38.54 #       <Bagder> emacs is nice
09.38.57 #       <Bagder> emacs rocks
09.39.05 #       <dwihno> I'm more a vi person ;)
09.39.21 #       <Linus> vi is common knowledge
09.39.46 #       <dwihno> I prefer it over emacs.
09.39.50 #       <Linus> you need vi to edit your .emacs on a new system
09.39.57 #       <Bagder> hehe
09.40.14 #       <dwihno> Mostly because of I NEVER seem to remember how to save/quit etc.
09.40.34 #       <Linus> oh, so :q is easier to remember?
09.40.36 #       <dwihno> yeah
09.40.41 #       <Bagder> bah
09.40.46 #       <Bagder> :!q 
09.40.48 #       <Bagder> :-)
09.40.51 #       <dwihno> instead of ctrl+k+w+q+s+meta+shift
09.40.54 #       <Linus> no, :q!
09.40.57 #       <Bagder> oops
09.41.12 #       <Bagder> dwihno: its the same amount of keys
09.41.15 #       <Bagder> control-x q
09.41.19 #       <Bagder> three
09.41.46 #       <Bagder> hm
09.41.50 #       <dwihno> Well, everybody should use the editor they seem fit :)
09.41.54 #       <Bagder> wrong ;-)
09.41.56 #       <Linus> ctrl-x ctrl-c?
09.41.59 #       <Bagder> right
09.42.01 #       <dwihno> even if that's edlin
09.42.07 #       <Bagder> they're in my fingers, not in my head ;-)
09.42.27 #       <dwihno> emacs-fingers!
09.42.47 #       <Bagder> all it takes is working with emacs 8 hours a day for 10 years ;-)
09.42.48 #       <Linus> Paganini was probably an emacs user
09.43.39 #       <dwihno> Time to do the dishes. I've been waiting long enough
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09.43.54 Nick    dwihno|do_the_fs is now known as dwihno|dishes (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE)
09.43.57 #       <dwihno|dishes> damn nick restraints
09.44.18 #       <Bagder> you should be lucky we have >9 letters ;-)
09.45.02 #       <Linus> Zagor! wake up!
09.47.41 #       <Bagder> zagor improved the sim yday
09.47.43 #       <matsl> Just supplied an audio-icon patch. Any reason why it wasn't used before?
09.47.52 #       <Bagder> now it sims wps and mpeg playing much better
09.48.36 #       <matsl> Jumjum. Must test.
09.49.00 #       <Bagder> matsl: I have a pretty nice playersim patch pending as well
09.49.01 #       <matsl> Bagder: Hows it going with the icons for the simulator?
09.49.38 #       <Bagder> I'm planning on having a word with mbr about them
09.49.52 #       <Bagder> he being the icons wizard
09.49.54 #       <Linus> mbr: the unvoluntary graphics guy
09.50.28 #       <matsl> I would be sattisfied if there was just some dirt displayed!
09.50.42 #       <mbr> morning, just the right time to join :)
09.50.59 #       <Bagder> matsl: so convert your image to rockbox bitmap format and we're in
09.51.15 #       <matsl> rockbox bitmap format?
09.51.26 #       <Linus> matsl: the audio icon wasn't used because it is silly
09.51.28 #       <Bagder> matsl: yes, as used for all internal bitmaps
09.51.43 #       <Bagder> mbr: morning!
09.52.12 #       <Bagder> matsl: for the player simulator, we use the recorder-lcd code
09.52.13 #       <matsl> bagder: how do I convert to it?
09.52.35 #       <Bagder> that's where mbr enters... :-)
09.52.50 #       <Bagder> mbr: you have any nice way to convert images to rockbox bitmaps?
09.53.30 #       <Bagder> I wanted to write a gimp plugin for it
09.53.34 #       <Bagder> but couldn't find any docs
09.53.47 #       <Bagder> how to add a save format
09.53.52 #       <Linus> why have an audio icon when it is so obvious that the music is playing?
09.54.51 #       <mbr> For now i used paper and pencil :) But probably the "bitmap" program will do it ... trying 
09.54.55 #       <matsl> linus: Why not use something on the LCD to indicate that we are in WPS?
09.55.14 #       <Linus> because it is very obvious that we are in WPS
09.55.25 #       <Bagder> matsl: bitmap format => http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-06/0269.shtml
09.56.33 #       <matsl> bagder: ok. I'll look into it but can't do anything until next week.
09.57.10 #       <Bagder> matsl: once we have the player icons as internal bitmaps, it'll be a piece of cake to add them to the sim
09.57.31 #       <matsl> linus: OK. YMMW. I think it works quite nice. Try the patch and you'll see ;-)
09.57.33 #       <Bagder> with my new fixes, it'll even look good and use a larger font
09.58.01 #       <matsl> bagder: ok
10.00.03 #       <Linus> what exactly is <audio> supposed to mean, anyway?
10.00.15 #       <Linus> that there is sound in the earphones?
10.00.46 #       <Linus> i think the icon is silly all over
10.01.01 #       <Linus> i'm talking about the LCD design
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10.01.33 #       <edx|notebook> hi
10.01.39 #       <Linus> yo
10.02.21 #       <edx|notebook> Linus: can I use 1.5 V non-rechargable batteries with my jb?
10.02.44 #       <matsl> linus: I see it more as an visual indicator that we are in wps. Yes. That can ...
10.02.52 #       <Linus> edx: i think so, but don't you ever connect the external power!
10.03.04 #       <edx|notebook> Linus: yea.. naturally ;)
10.03.12 #       <matsl> ... of course be seen through other means (looking at the info displayed) but the icon ...
10.03.20 #       <edx|notebook> Linus: I tried yesterday and Rockbox wasnt even booted :/
10.03.27 #       <matsl> ... tells you that very easy.
10.03.51 #       <Linus> matsl: yes, but what does the <audio> icon mean to the uninitiated user?
10.04.08 #       <Linus> intuitively, <audio> means "sound"
10.04.18 #       <Linus> and the sound can be on regardless of WPS
10.05.53 #       <matsl> linus: I agree. (I still like it!)
10.06.02 #       <Linus> if i push myself hard, i can think of <audio> being used as an indicator that the sound isn't muted
10.07.10 #       <Linus> nickserv won't let me register "linusn" because "LinuS" is already registered! (?)
10.09.36 Nick    Linus is now known as LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se)
10.13.35 Part    LinusN
10.13.59 #       * edx|notebook made his own approach of designing a t-shirt
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10.14.29 #       <LinusN> adi|home: you can op me as LinusN
10.14.32 #       <Bagder> edx: beam it over and we'll put it up
10.14.44 #       <edx|notebook> has just been beamt
10.14.49 #       <edx|notebook> (or is it beamed?)
10.14.54 #       <Bagder> goodie
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10.16.14 #       * Bagder wanders off to install a test version in the lab
10.20.51 #       <mbr>  /msg NickServ help LINK
10.21.08 #       <Hes> Hi
10.21.26 #       <LinusN> hi Hes! I have a lot of questions
10.21.27 #       <Bagder> hey hes
10.21.41 #       <Hes> Whoa
10.21.46 #       <Hes> I ended up with the EX70's
10.22.14 #       <LinusN> great!
10.22.19 #       <Hes> I think the Koss plugs sounded better, but they were a bit hard to place in the ear in a good angle
10.22.28 #       <Bagder> edx: your design is now added
10.22.58 #       <Hes> in which they sounded good... usually the other one was in a little bad angle and there was a noticeable balance difference especially in the bass section
10.23.13 #       <edx|notebook> Bagder: thanks
10.23.18 #       <Hes> The EX70's were very easy to plug in correctly, and were much better with the helmet on
10.24.29 #       <LinusN> edx|notebook: your t-shirt design might be a little detailed to look good on the shirt
10.24.45 #       <LinusN> Hes: the charging stops a little early
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10.25.07 #       <Zagor> morning, guys.
10.25.08 #       <Bagder> dr Zagor enters, now behave everyone
10.25.20 #       <edx|notebook> hi Zagor
10.25.21 #       <Hes> LinusN: I was suspecting that
10.25.23 #       <Zagor> ooh, an op! :-)
10.25.34 #       <edx|notebook> hmm how many of us have the EX70s now?
10.25.41 #       <Hes> didn't have time to experiment with the tunings more
10.25.46 #       <edx|notebook> maybe we should ask sony to be our sponsor :D
10.26.18 #       <Zagor> no more bugs found since last night?
10.26.19 #       <Bagder> nah, Haxx is a cooler sponsor ;-O
10.26.23 #       <dwihno|dishes> :-)
10.26.27 #       * dwihno|dishes IS DONE!
10.26.28 #       <Bagder> Zagor: Linus found one
10.26.32 Nick    dwihno|dishes is now known as dwihno|no_dishes (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE)
10.26.37 #       <dwihno|no_dishes> No dishes left
10.26.57 #       <Bagder> "farbror frej" struck again
10.27.07 #       <Zagor> ugh
10.28.25 #       <Hes> LinusN: lots of questions? keep 'em coming
10.28.51 #       <matsl> zagor: ?
10.28.51 #       <LinusN> actually, they are Uwe's questions
10.28.55 #       <LinusN> on the mailing list
10.29.18 #       <Hes> I'll browse through them
10.29.33 #       <Zagor> matsl: bugs suck, by definition :)
10.29.58 #       <matsl> zagor: What?
10.30.02 #       <notch|busy> A number of my friends have got EX70's, but Sony dont sell them in the uk!  Anyone know of an online shop I can get these from!
10.30.17 #       <dwihno|no_dishes> ex70 = kickass
10.31.03 #       <LinusN> affirmative!
10.31.18 #       <matsl> zagor: remember the dir sort yesterday? Would that be a new option for sort or default?
10.31.41 #       <Zagor> matsl: a new options, i think
10.32.42 #       <matsl> zagor: So I thought. I could look into it since you seems so reluctant to include my m3u-patch ;-)
10.33.18 #       <Bagder> matsl: well, the "crowds" haven't exactly raised that one to the skies either ;-)
10.34.46 #       <matsl> bagder: gosh! Is there a list of things that the crowds demand then so I could be of some assistance. (Getting-bored-sending-patches-to-dev-null)
10.35.25 #       <Bagder> there are feature requests, that's the closest thingg
10.36.04 #       <Bagder> you don't mail the patches to /dev/null you just mail them to a bunch of people where player developers are a minority
10.36.54 #       <matsl> bagder: could be same thing ...
10.37.29 #       <LinusN> matsl: you can't expect us to merge every patch that comes along
10.38.14 #       <LinusN> Zagor: have you tagged the 1.2 release yet?
10.38.14 #       <Zagor> matsl: a sort option is small enough to merge
10.38.26 #       <Zagor> no, i'll do it soon
10.39.41 #       <matsl> linus: Of course not.
10.40.04 #       <Zagor> i mean merge post-1.2. nothing more goes into 1.2
10.40.35 #       <LinusN> Zagor: that's why i want you to tag the damn thing, so i can start committing bug fixes
10.41.22 #       <Bagder> we should release it
10.41.24 #       <Bagder> now
10.41.35 #       <Zagor> hehe. still holding out for that fatal bug report
10.41.36 #       <edx|notebook> lol
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10.42.46 #       <Zagor> LinusN: what was the farbror frej bug?
10.43.20 #       <matsl> zagor: I wasn't thinking of squeezing anything into 1.2. I was thinking of what I could do for post 1.2.
10.43.24 #       <LinusN> your wrap patch isn't exactly water-proof
10.43.56 #       <LinusN> but it is not a real problem for now
10.44.03 #       <Zagor> what is the problem?
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10.44.37 #       <mbr> Zagor: Don't forget to remove the clock from status bar befor
10.44.42 #       <mbr> +releasing 1.2
10.45.37 #       <LinusN> Zagor: the problem is that the mpeg thread may load more files that there are in the directory
10.45.54 #       <LinusN> imagine a dir with only one farbror frej file
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10.47.21 #       <Zagor> right, doublewrap
10.47.21 #       <LinusN> that file will be loaded 5 times by the mpeg thread
10.47.29 #       <Zagor> s/if/while then
10.47.30 #       <LinusN> and compensating by  adding playlist.amount will not be enough to make the index positive
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10.49.38 #       <LinusN> Zagor: did you get my bug explanation? (server problems)
10.49.43 #       <Zagor> yes
10.49.51 #       <Zagor> s/if/while/ should solve it
10.50.04 #       <LinusN> i have another solution
10.50.22 #       <LinusN> there are many more problems when we set loop_playlist to false
10.50.31 #       <LinusN> i suggest we reimplement the peek()
10.50.34 #       <Zagor> but we don't, so ignore that for now
10.50.42 #       <LinusN> for now?
10.50.45 #       <Zagor> for 1.2
10.51.03 #       <LinusN> of course, but we can't hold 1.2 forever
10.51.28 #       <Bagder> I have a suggestion
10.51.35 #       <Bagder> tag and branch 1.2 now
10.51.36 #       <LinusN> tag it
10.51.45 #       <Bagder> fix 1.2 in a branch
10.51.49 #       <Bagder> allow commits on HEAD
10.52.05 #       <Bagder> the 1.2 fixes are dead end anyway
10.52.54 #       <Zagor> nah, there's just this one fix then i'm releasing
10.53.27 #       <Zagor> what do you guys thing about the clock. leave it and mark in release notes that we can't set it, or remove it from 1.2?
10.53.27 #       <Bagder> ok
10.53.41 #       <Bagder> leave it
10.53.52 #       <Bagder> I don't think it matters that much
10.53.59 #       <Zagor> me neither
10.54.16 #       <mbr> i'd perfer to include it, but i wanted to prevent tons of bug reports ...
10.54.34 #       <LinusN> we should mention it in capital letters in the release notes
10.54.39 #       <Bagder> we will just politely point to the release notes ;-)
10.55.08 #       <mbr> as soon as 1.2 is released, i can check in my time setting menu
10.55.28 #       <LinusN> we all have things to check in...
10.56.42 #       <Bagder> it'll be a commit race! ;-)
10.56.50 #       <Zagor> so, who builds the win32 sim?
10.57.10 #       <LinusN> Bagder: haven't you fixed the daily build?
10.57.21 #       <Bagder> mingw can't build it
10.57.31 #       <Bagder> it isn't fixable
10.57.33 #       <Bagder> afaik
10.57.35 #       <LinusN> oh
10.57.55 #       <edx|notebook> Zagor: i can build w32sim
10.58.01 #       <Bagder> it builds console applications only
10.58.01 #       <Zagor> good
10.58.23 #       <Bagder> but the mingw build can still be good for verifying the win32 code and build process, just not run it
10.58.33 #       <LinusN> true
10.58.37 #       <edx|notebook> http://codeforce.d2g.com/rockbox/autocvs has the bleeding edge cvs... hmm we could link there from the page actually (better thatn thos builds it links to right now0
10.58.59 #       <Zagor> edx: yes, sorry, forgot that. i'll link there
10.59.11 #       * Zagor announces 1.2 is tagged
10.59.35 #       <edx|notebook> yay
11.00.03 #       <LinusN> open the champagne bottles!
11.00.25 Mode    "#rockbox +o Zagor " by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
11.00.29 #       <LinusN> Zagor: WAIT!
11.00.32 #       <LinusN> (just kidding)
11.00.35 #       <Zagor> haha
11.00.39 #       * Bagder slaps LinusN
11.00.55 #       <edx|notebook> lol
11.01.05 #       * edx|notebook too
11.01.20 #       * LinusN is such a funny guy
11.01.37 #       <edx|notebook> LOL
11.01.41 #       <edx|notebook> nicely said :)
11.03.42 #       <edx|notebook> btw, has anyone done anything to tetris in the last two weeks or so?
11.04.00 #       <edx|notebook> i think the random number generator is pretty... well proto-type ;)
11.04.16 #       * edx|notebook should have fixed that before the release
11.04.17 #       <Bagder> LinusN changed the button function
11.04.24 #       <edx|notebook> k
11.04.30 #       <Bagder> which now makes it run faster if you press many keys ;-)
11.04.38 #       <dwihno|no_dishes> :D
11.04.40 #       <edx|notebook> :)
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11.05.01 #       <adi|home> Okay.. LinusN.. your set
11.05.05 #       * edx|notebook does not have his jb with him to test :/
11.05.12 #       <dwihno|noteboko> If my SMS inbox is full and somebody tries to send me a message, what happens then?
11.05.26 #       <edx|notebook> lol
11.05.26 #       <adi|home> linus.. do me a favor... see if you can op yourself now
11.05.41 #       <LinusN> i can't
11.05.42 #       <Bagder> dwin: you don't get it ;-) it'll keep trying to send it to you for some time
11.05.43 #       <Zagor> dwihno|noteboko: it stays on the server and retried for a few days, then is thrown away
11.05.45 #       <edx|notebook> dwihno: your handy gets crashed and everything including your card is deleted
11.05.54 #       <adi|home> what are you typing?
11.06.01 #       <dwihno|noteboko> edx|notebook: Oh no! :O
11.06.08 #       <dwihno|noteboko> Zagor: ah, okay... I was worried for a second... I want my SMS:es :-)
11.06.11 #       <adi|home> hmm.. try a hop first
11.06.12 Nick    dwihno|noteboko is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE)
11.06.17 #       <dwihno> gotta go with the garbage.
11.06.22 #       * dwihno is having a "cleaning-day"
11.06.30 #       <dwihno> which, generally speaking, SUCKS
11.06.33 Nick    LinusN is now known as Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se)
11.06.39 Nick    Linus is now known as LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se)
11.06.57 #       <adi|home> "/msg chanserv op #rockbox"
11.07.11 Mode    "#rockbox +o adi|home " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
11.07.27 #       <edx|notebook> how come you're all getting admins :P
11.07.36 Mode    "#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
11.07.41 #       <Bagder> wooo
11.07.42 #       <LinusN> wee!
11.07.51 #       <adi|home> hehe edx you have it too ;)
11.07.57 #       <adi|home> you've been on the access list a while
11.08.00 Mode    "#rockbox -o Zagor " by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
11.08.08 #       <Zagor> :)
11.08.15 #       <edx|notebook> i know
11.08.15 Mode    "#rockbox -o adi|home " by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-10.216-194-24-54.nyc.ny.metconnect.net)
11.08.17 #       <adi|home> :)
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11.08.22 #       <edx|notebook> just was wondering why you all use it ;P
11.08.36 #       <adi|home> hehe i was adding linus to the access list, so had to...
11.08.38 Mode    "#rockbox +o edx " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
11.08.55 Mode    "#rockbox -o edx " by edx (OKE60@fapc.kph.uni-mainz.de)
11.08.58 #       <edx> ther you go
11.08.59 #       <Zagor> download page updated. writing announce mail.
11.09.05 #       <edx|notebook> :DD
11.09.19 #       <Bagder> so we can commit now? B)
11.09.20 #       <dwihno> YAY!
11.09.26 #       <LinusN> Zagor: approve me on the announce list!
11.09.42 #       <dwihno> So when are we going to have the rockbox 1.2 release party? :-) Let's rent Sturehof ;D
11.09.49 #       <adi|home> whats the mailing address for the general list?
11.09.51 #       <Bagder> I suggest you announce to both the rockbox *and* the announce list
11.09.58 #       <Zagor> yes
11.11.05 #       <LinusN> Hes: i read that some manufacturers recommend "topping off" the charging with ~2 hours of trickle charging after negative delta detection
11.11.28 #       <Hes> Yeah
11.11.38 #       <Zagor> but we can't trickle, can we?
11.11.42 #       <LinusN> we can
11.12.02 #       <LinusN> by switching the charger on and off
11.12.25 #       <Zagor> is that a proper trickle, really?
11.12.33 #       <adi|home> should i list the 'channel' email address as rockbox@cool.haxx.se
11.12.33 #       <adi|home> ?
11.12.42 #       <Zagor> adi|home: yes
11.12.47 #       <adi|home> k
11.14.00 #       <Bagder> seriously, we can commit now, right?
11.14.13 #       <Zagor> Bagder: yes, fire away
11.14.22 #       <Bagder> thanks
11.14.35 #       <adi|home> so 1.2 is out now?
11.14.51 #       <LinusN> Zagor: some manufacturers say that switching on and off is the proper way
11.14.54 #       <Zagor> yeppers. writing release announcement mail right now
11.15.03 #       <Zagor> LinusN: ok. i'm no battery expert :-)
11.15.10 #       <LinusN> me neither
11.15.14 #       <LinusN> i just pretend
11.15.30 #       <LinusN> Bagder: you won!
11.15.39 #       <Bagder> yay
11.15.47 #       <Hes> trickle charging _is_ turning the charger on and off 8-)
11.16.00 #       <Hes> you can change the amount of energy flowing by adjusting the duty cycle
11.16.00 #       <LinusN> Bagder: you get a free t-shirt!
11.16.10 #       <Bagder> gee, I'm honored ;-)
11.16.27 #       <LinusN> Hes: still, some say that trickle charging can be a constant C/50
11.17.10 #       <Hadaka> I must say though - battery charging seems like an awfully empirical science
11.17.50 #       <LinusN> Hadaka: very true
11.17.52 #       <Hadaka> one would've thought that all these years of battery usage would have sprouted quite a lot of hard facts on how batteries should and should not be used
11.18.00 #       <Hadaka> but apparently no-one still has a definite clue
11.18.05 #       <dwihno> Science? Hmm... Farbror Frej is a kickass scientist. Maybe we could ask him?
11.18.13 #       <LinusN> :-)
11.18.44 #       <Hes> Even the battery manufacturers don't agree on the details.
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11.19.06 #       <Hes> The basics are pretty clear.
11.19.18 Quit    edx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
11.19.23 #       <Hes> Setting up a good charger isn't very easy.
11.19.52 #       <LinusN> and i guess all batteries aren't alike either
11.20.00 #       <Hes> Someone posted a patch on the mailing list... which moved config bits location in the config block... suboptimal
11.20.03 #       <Hadaka> hmmh
11.20.13 #       * adi|home pokes Zagor in the side
11.20.16 #       <adi|home> wtf is 1.2?
11.20.19 #       * adi|home pouts
11.20.21 #       <LinusN> so what the manufacturers are saying may apply to *their* batteries
11.20.27 #       * adi|home wants instant gratification
11.20.28 #       <Zagor> http://rockbox.haxx.se/download/
11.20.54 #       <adi|home> okay.. fine.. _ill_ uipdate the webpage ;)
11.21.10 #       <Zagor> ah, you mean the front page. fire away.
11.24.34 #       <LinusN> Zagor: the repeat mode also applies to dir play (release notes)
11.24.51 #       <Zagor> i know. it says so already.
11.25.10 #       <Zagor> "Directory playback (clicking PLAY on an mp3 file in the dir browser) also
11.25.10 #       <Zagor> uses playlist options such as shuffle and repeat.
11.25.10 #       <Zagor> "
11.25.30 #       <LinusN> no, it says "Playlist repeat is hard coded to "Repeat all"."
11.25.37 #       <LinusN> ah
11.30.06 #       <matp|work> anyone know how to get linux to automount my drive when I plug it in ?
11.30.22 #       <Bagder> hotplug is the keyword
11.30.34 #       * adi|home used to have it set.. but i don't remember what it was...
11.30.41 #       <Bagder> but I don't have it setup myself
11.30.48 #       <adi|home> autodetect maybe?
11.30.50 #       * adi|home thinks
11.31.14 #       <Bagder> hotplug is the name of the linux system that deals with those matters
11.31.22 #       * adi|home nods
11.31.30 #       <adi|home> but don't you need a setting set in fstab>
11.31.32 #       <adi|home> ?
11.31.43 #       <Bagder> yes
11.31.58 #       <adi|home> auot
11.31.59 #       <Bagder> the hotplug system detects the USB device connection and then it performs an action
11.31.59 #       <adi|home> auot
11.32.02 #       <adi|home> auto even
11.32.05 #       <matp|work> currently I plug it in, it loads the modules, then I have to mount it manually 
11.32.06 #       * adi|home nods
11.32.17 #       <adi|home> make sure your fstab has auto in the line for the archos
11.32.55 #       <matp|work> Bagder: ok. does it autounmount as well. i guess that would be dodgy ...?
11.33.33 #       <Bagder> I'm not really good at this, I'm only repeating some things I've read, I haven't fiddled with this myself
11.34.28 #       <Zagor> have we determined that the background noise was from the rtc?
11.34.39 #       <edx|notebook> Bagder, what compiler did you use for the win32sim again?
11.34.54 #       <LinusN> Zagor: not really
11.34.54 #       <Bagder> edx|notebook: on linux? mingw
11.34.56 #       <edx|notebook> it might just be a parameter that is missing in the command line to make it work
11.35.00 #       <matp|work> http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ it's for 2.4 kernels only :(
11.35.15 #       <Bagder> you don't run 2.4?
11.35.18 #       <adi|home> umm.. does the website update as soon as i commit, or will it take some time?
11.35.37 #       <Zagor> adi|home: it takes time. but i'll do it manually now
11.35.42 #       <adi|home> ty
11.36.01 #       <Zagor> tada
11.36.15 #       <matp|work> actually, yes, I forgot we upgraded the laptop images at work
11.36.24 #       <adi|home> hehe typo.. one sec
11.36.29 #       <Zagor> no wait
11.36.36 #       <Zagor> i'll fix it, and some other things
11.36.42 #       <adi|home> okay
11.36.50 #       <adi|home> didn't know what you wanted removed from the list
11.37.03 #       <Zagor> exactly :-) (what was the typo?)
11.37.25 #       <Zagor> oh, 1.2
11.37.47 #       <adi|home> is Felix around?
11.37.51 #       <edx|notebook> me?
11.37.53 #       <edx|notebook> yea
11.37.54 #       <adi|home> I dunno what his nick is...
11.37.58 #       <edx|notebook> edx :)O
11.38.02 #       <adi|home> lol
11.38.04 #       <adi|home> k..
11.38.10 #       <adi|home> small request on your shirt submission :)
11.38.16 #       <edx|notebook> sure
11.38.19 #       <adi|home> lol
11.38.22 #       <adi|home> the shot of the archos you have
11.38.31 #       <edx|notebook> yea..
11.38.34 #       <edx|notebook> you want to have it?
11.38.40 #       <adi|home> could you possibly remove the screen w/ the factory firmware on it :)
11.38.44 #       <edx|notebook> actually 
11.38.46 #       <Zagor> haha
11.38.46 #       <edx|notebook> oh
11.38.48 #       <edx|notebook> sure lol
11.38.52 #       <edx|notebook> thats cute
11.38.53 #       <LinusN> good one!
11.38.59 #       * adi|home bows deeply
11.39.00 #       <edx|notebook> i took the one from the devcon site :D
11.39.08 #       * edx|notebook shames ;)
11.39.08 #       <adi|home> thats what i figured :)
11.39.18 #       <edx|notebook> hmm
11.39.22 #       <adi|home> take a screen shot from the sim.. and cut and paste it
11.39.23 #       <adi|home> :)
11.39.32 #       <edx|notebook> ill take another picture later today and fix it lol
11.39.37 #       <adi|home> hehe ty 
11.39.42 #       * adi|home is a bit picky :)
11.39.57 #       <adi|home> and steal my developers list idea huh ;)
11.40.07 #       <adi|home> get all fancy with colors.. you you you.. theif!
11.40.10 #       <edx|notebook> hey
11.40.15 #       <adi|home> ;)
11.40.20 #       <edx|notebook> i have had the first tshirt EVER existed of rockbox
11.40.26 #       <edx|notebook> and it already got a list of names
11.40.41 #       <adi|home> lol
11.40.43 #       <adi|home> cheater ;)
11.40.54 #       <edx|notebook> http://codeforce.d2g.com/rockbox/tshirt.jpg
11.41.03 #       <edx|notebook> that was like a few months ago
11.41.21 #       <adi|home> i like the addition of the irc info
11.42.16 #       <LinusN> edx|notebook: that was a *long* time ago!
11.42.30 #       <edx|notebook> LinusN: yea
11.42.31 #       <LinusN> several MONTHS!
11.42.33 #       <adi|home> hehe 
11.42.42 #       <adi|home> that was like.. pre 1.0 right?
11.42.46 #       <edx|notebook> yea
11.42.55 #       <edx|notebook> there are only a few names on it
11.43.04 #       <adi|home> "back in the olden days"
11.43.13 #       <edx|notebook> hmm bagder, what makefile do you use for mingw?
11.43.25 #       <Bagder> the win32/Makefile
11.43.26 #       <adi|home> i have to say.. this has been the most successful OSS project ive been a part of yet
11.43.38 #       <dwihno> Yeah, I'd love to get mingw to compile the simulator on windows as well
11.43.39 #       * edx|notebook does not have that file
11.43.40 #       <LinusN> Bagder: we should have a link in the menu for the t-shirt contest
11.43.44 #       <edx|notebook> lol
11.43.51 #       * adi|home agrees
11.44.02 #       <Bagder> edx|notebook: if you're up-to-date you have it
11.44.04 #       <LinusN> at least separate from the news list
11.44.11 #       <Bagder> I agree
11.44.16 #       <adi|home> ill put it in
11.44.20 #       <adi|home> itll update later then
11.45.16 #       <edx|notebook> Bagder: i thought i was.. wait a sec
11.45.58 #       <adi|home> you think we should put the stuff in that list in some kind of order?
11.46.04 #       <Zagor> new poll in the archos group: "Which firmware do you mostly use? o Archos o Rockbox"
11.46.11 #       <Zagor> (not by me)
11.47.13 #       <adi|home> lol
11.47.16 #       <LinusN> cool
11.47.17 #       <adi|home> you have a link to it?
11.47.18 #       * Bagder votes
11.47.20 #       <matp|work> I didn't get the 1.2 announcement on the mailing list, I got George's congrats mail though.
11.47.23 #       <Bagder> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archosjukebox6000/surveys?id=954399
11.47.37 #       <adi|home> okay.. update made
11.47.41 #       <Zagor> matp|work: odd. it's in the archive
11.48.12 #       <matp|work> may be my mail server. it's xchange crap
11.48.21 #       <matp|work> probably holding onto it
11.48.36 #       <matp|work> anyway. well done guys! very good work.
11.48.53 #       <Zagor> adi|home: fyi head.t updates don't work well, due to missing dependecies
11.48.59 #       <Zagor> i'm fixing it manually
11.49.56 #       <adi|home> ahh.. okay.. sorry
11.50.07 #       <adi|home> um.. we have settings stored now correct?
11.50.11 #       <adi|home> that was part of 1.2
11.50.12 #       <adi|home> right?
11.50.42 #       <adi|home> Zagor, we need to fix the 'Roadmap'
11.50.49 #       <adi|home> get rid of 1.1 atleast
11.50.52 #       <adi|home> correct 1.2/3
11.51.03 #       <adi|home> and maybe start considering targets for 1.4
11.51.42 #       <Zagor> yup
11.52.02 #       <matp|work> just got it now
11.55.30 #       <Hes> add better/tuned charging logic for 1.3
11.56.01 #       <edx|notebook> bagder: you should be able to create win32 apps.. read this:
11.56.02 #       <edx|notebook> http://www.mingw.org/docs.shtml#compilingandbuilding
11.56.12 #       <edx|notebook> scroll down a little to the win32 app seciton
11.56.45 #       <Bagder> ok
11.56.52 #       <Bagder> so then it should work
11.57.03 #       <Bagder> ah
11.57.07 #       <Bagder> "-mwindows"
11.57.19 #       <edx|notebook> he
11.57.25 #       <edx|notebook> try.. it might work :)
11.57.30 #       <Bagder> let's try that
11.58.12 #       <Bagder> good digging
11.58.44 #       * edx|notebook presses his two thumbs off :)
11.59.22 #       <Bagder> http://daniel.haxx.se/uisw32.exe
11.59.35 #       * edx|notebook tests
11.59.52 #       <edx|notebook> i am not authorized to view that page lol
12.00.08 #       <Bagder> fixed
12.00.34 #       <edx|notebook> wont work, still ..
12.00.38 #       <edx|notebook> i mean
12.00.40 #       <edx|notebook> cant accesss it
12.01.01 #       <Bagder> I can
12.01.11 #       <edx|notebook> hmm
12.01.14 #       <edx|notebook> i cant
12.01.17 #       <Bagder> doesn't work though
12.01.32 #       <edx|notebook> how do you know? do you have windows?
12.01.36 #       <Bagder> yes
12.01.42 #       <edx|notebook> hmm damn
12.01.43 #       <Bagder> I'm at work
12.01.56 #       <edx|notebook> did you compile everything using -mwindows?
12.02.33 #       <Bagder> ummm
12.04.16 #       <edx|notebook> at least we know it has to work somehow..
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12.05.28 #       <edx> oh.. the other edx has gone :)
12.10.12 Nick    LinusN is now known as Linus|lunch (~linus@labb.contactor.se)
12.13.18 #       <edx> bagder: is the console still poping up?
12.14.37 #       * edx waves
12.15.46 #       <adi|home> ewwww.. somethings not right here
12.15.58 #       <edx> ?
12.16.35 #       <adi|home> i went to go into a sub dir
12.16.43 #       <adi|home> and the ui seemed to lock up
12.16.50 #       <adi|home> got a double indicator on the screen..
12.17.01 #       <adi|home> almost like it chocked and died mid redraw
12.17.24 #       <edx> the win32simulator?
12.17.30 #       <adi|home> nope.. recorder
12.17.36 #       <edx> ah
12.17.37 #       <edx> ok
12.17.39 #       <edx> hmm strange
12.17.50 #       <edx> i remember getting the smae problem yesterday!
12.18.05 #       <adi|home> oooooh. i like the one key status bar removal :)
12.18.39 #       <edx> did you take V1.2 or the cvs build?
12.18.44 #       <adi|home> hehehe volume up and down
12.18.45 #       * adi|home drools
12.18.46 #       <adi|home> yup
12.18.57 #       <adi|home> god i love this
12.19.20 #       <adi|home> heheh screen saver :)
12.19.22 #       <adi|home> and music...
12.19.26 #       <adi|home> god i love code :)
12.20.37 #       <adi|home> btw... tetris sideways.. _very_ good idea...
12.20.57 #       <edx> heh thanks
12.21.17 #       <Zagor> you should have config option: left or right handed
12.21.18 #       * Zagor hides
12.21.22 #       <adi|home> confusing at first.. but makes sense once you get it...
12.21.24 #       <adi|home> lol
12.21.27 #       * adi|home likes that idea
12.21.52 #       <adi|home> but then we need to have the function keys dected inside tetris to set that option
12.22.03 #       <adi|home> how much can we store settings wise/
12.22.12 #       <adi|home> i mean... before we run outta space?
12.22.17 #       <Zagor> 44 bytes in the rtc. a few gigs on the disk :)
12.22.22 #       <adi|home> heheh
12.22.28 #       <adi|home> how much do we have left on the rtc?
12.22.48 #       <Zagor> i don't know
12.22.48 #       <adi|home> and can i assume that making use of that space is up for grabs until the bickering starts?
12.23.04 #       * adi|home wants to store the 'timeout' settings
12.23.13 #       <adi|home> for song count or time count
12.23.59 #       <adi|home> Zagor.. have i mentioned just how much the projected has helped me remain in love with coding when dealing with all the shit from work?
12.26.11 #       <Zagor> no, i don't think you have. but I don't think you are alone in that feeling.
12.26.24 #       <Zagor> it's a "breathing hole"
12.26.42 #       * adi|home nods furiously
12.26.52 #       * adi|home hurts his neck and heads off to bed
12.26.55 #       <adi|home> okay.. things to play with
12.27.00 #       <adi|home> -blank screensaver
12.27.11 #       <adi|home> -screensaver timeout (to start) as an option
12.27.14 #       <adi|home> -address book ;)
12.27.20 #       <adi|home> -left handed tetris :)
12.27.25 #       <adi|home> -sleep
12.27.42 #       <adi|home> -update api docs
12.28.48 #       <adi|home> ohh.. found a bug...
12.28.57 #       <adi|home> i went into the debug section
12.29.12 #       <adi|home> all menus the one for os thread info won't let you out
12.29.36 #       <Zagor> try OFF
12.29.43 #       * adi|home nods
12.29.48 #       <adi|home> counter intuitive
12.29.57 #       <Zagor> yeah, but it says "keep out" :-)
12.30.08 #       <adi|home> hehe yup...
12.30.14 #       <adi|home> but we should still be standard :)
12.30.26 #       <adi|home> IOports nd os stacks should do <- to get out
12.30.28 #       <adi|home> like the rest
12.30.40 #       * adi|home will fix that later too
12.30.57 #       <Zagor> good
12.31.01 #       <adi|home> night
12.32.48 #       <edx> night
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12.36.03 #       <edx> short visit ;)
12.37.48 #       <Zagor> *phew* 20 or so feature requests ticked off
12.38.10 #       <edx> how many are ther at all?
12.38.18 #       <edx> (or how many are left)
12.39.05 #       <Zagor> 61 open / 85 total
12.39.08 #       <edx> k
12.41.47 #       <Zagor> who asked for EX70 in the uk?
12.42.11 #       <Zagor> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005ML3P/ref=ed_felist_1_4/
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12.43.29 #       <edx> avaibility is bad..
12.43.46 #       <edx> Bagder, are you there?
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12.44.13 #       <Zagor> edx: there do you see that?
12.44.26 #       <edx> read the text lol
12.44.42 #       <edx> AvailabilityThis item is usually dispatched within 4-6 weeks. Please note that items sometimes go out of stock with the manufacturers or our suppliers.
12.44.59 #       <Zagor> oh, there :-)
12.45.35 #       <Zagor> http://www.epinions.com/484991_Sony_MDR_EX70LP_Fontopia_Earbud_Headphones lists a couple of other web shops
12.46.15 #       <edx> hm.. I bought a power supply.. 0,8A - you can regulate the voltage it outputs - i have the feeling that it harms my batteries, vcould that be?
12.46.26 #       <edx> also, can I charge the batteries using a normal charger?
12.46.34 #       <Zagor> yes you can
12.46.43 #       <Zagor> why do you think it harms the batteries?
12.46.43 #       <edx> ok
12.46.47 #       <Hes> For TODO items for 1.3: config saving to disk, on recorders too
12.46.47 #       <edx> hmm
12.46.52 #       <edx> lifetime is like half an hour or something
12.46.59 #       <Hes> if rtc config load fails => read from disk
12.47.18 #       <Hes> and flush settings to disk every now and then when the disk is spinning for other stuff
12.47.22 #       <edx> i have to doublecheck this but the device didnt really work with the batteries :/
12.47.46 #       <edx> is the negative pole outside or inside the cable btw?
12.47.55 #       <Zagor> outside
12.48.03 #       <edx> k - at least one thing i did right ;)
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13.08.08 #       <Bagder> -mwindows doesn't make it work either
13.09.53 #       <LinusN> lamer
13.10.42 #       <Bagder> feel free to correct my mistakes, oh you pro ;-)
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13.14.10 #       * Bagder bows
13.14.35 #       * Zagor is browsing ales
13.14.44 #       <LinusN> is what?
13.15.03 #       <LinusN> ah, yummy
13.15.21 #       <LinusN> (can't join you, sorry)
13.15.26 #       <Zagor> http://www.systembolaget.se/pris/owa/xdisplay?p_varunr=1617&p_rest=0&p_back=/svenska/varor/prislist/xpogrupp6.htm
13.15.44 #       <Bagder> hah
13.15.53 #       <Zagor> just *have* to try it
13.16.00 #       <Bagder> I want that ;-)
13.28.08 #       <Bagder> "Will you be interested in a contract on one of my research projects to work on these issues? If you like to travel, this is an opportunity for coming to Pisa"
13.28.28 #       * Bagder detects another curl project opportunity coming up
13.31.22 #       <matsl> Time to leave. CU next week.
13.31.28 #       <Bagder> bye matsl
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13.38.48 #       <LinusN> hehe. feels kind of empty after the 1.2 release...
13.39.14 #       <Bagder> I await lots of commits ;-)
13.39.45 #       <LinusN> more like "phew, now i can rest a while..."
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13.40.06 #       <Zagor> Bagder: i want lcd_update_rect()
13.40.07 #       <Bagder> yeah, feels good having the 1.2 out
13.40.15 #       <Bagder> ok, I fix
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13.40.26 #       <Zagor> use widht/height, but round off to nearest row
13.40.27 #       <Bagder> will you time me? ;-)
13.40.45 #       * LinusN pulls out his stop watch
13.40.52 #       <Bagder> icode ?
13.41.00 #       <LinusN> nah
13.41.08 #       <Bagder> ok
13.41.11 #       <LinusN> ok, then
13.41.16 #       <LinusN> use icode
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13.41.54 #       <Bagder> width, height, x and y it must be then?
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13.42.05 #       <LinusN> if we run out of IRAM space we can always move the frame buffer to DRAM
13.43.36 #       <mbr> Is ist ok to call settings_save() from wps and tree?
13.44.13 #       <mbr> When F3 toggles global_settings.statusbar the state should be saved ..
13.44.17 #       <Hes> mbr: yes
13.44.17 #       <LinusN> not really
13.44.30 #       <Hes> Hm?
13.44.38 #       <LinusN> on the player it will spin up the disk, i don't like that
13.44.52 #       <Hes> We should do the delayed writing...
13.44.56 #       <LinusN> yes
13.45.14 #       <Bagder> we should mark it as changed to be saved at next spinup
13.45.15 #       <Hes> mark the buffer dirty after changes and simply write the block next time after we spin the disk up
13.45.26 #       <Bagder> hehe
13.45.33 #       <Hes> And also mark it dirty and writeable on the recorders
13.45.39 #       <Hes> write to RTC immediately and to disk later
13.46.11 #       <LinusN> Bagder: we should release 1.2 on sourceforge
13.46.31 #       <Bagder> yes
13.46.33 #       <LinusN> the problem is that the disk may never spin up
13.46.35 #       <Hes> and freshmeat too?
13.46.42 #       <Bagder> and freshmeat
13.47.04 #       <Hes> Need to spin it up after a timeout... say, a minute
13.47.16 #       <LinusN> yes
13.47.29 #       <mbr> so we use the settings_save() to mark the config block as dirty?
13.47.38 #       <LinusN> the user has to accept that the settings may not be saved at all times
13.47.51 #       <Hes> and on the recorder, settings_save should write to RTC immediately
13.48.00 #       <LinusN> mbr: no, we create a settings_dirty() function
13.48.33 #       <LinusN> or?
13.49.05 #       <mbr> or create a settings_write() and leave settings_save()
13.49.19 #       <LinusN> i guess a 'cron' thread is becoming increasingly useful
13.49.51 #       <Hes> LinusN: yeah... power stuff could run there too
13.50.04 #       <LinusN> and the status bar, and...
13.50.15 #       <ripnetuk> does it have to block while the disc is spinning up? cant you tel it to start spinning, and then write it when it has spun up?
13.50.38 #       <LinusN> ripnetuk: i guess we can wake it up without blocking, yes
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13.53.17 #       <Bagder> LinusN: do you have any lcd docs around?
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13.53.27 #       <LinusN> no, why?
13.53.44 #       <Bagder> trying to figure out the LCD_CNTL_HIGHCOL and LCD_CNTL_LOWCOL instructions
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13.54.27 #       <Bagder> to be able to update only part of an lcd "row"
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13.55.20 #       <Bagder> I guess an lcd_update_rec(y, height) is pretty good too
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13.56.01 #       <Bagder> hm, no the scroll thread would like to update only parts of a row in the dir browser
13.56.12 #       <LinusN> highcol sets the upper 4 bits of the column address, lowcol the lower 4 bits
13.56.43 #       <Bagder> cool
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14.04.26 #       <Bagder> is update_rect() better used with (x,y, width, hight) or ...
14.04.33 #       <Bagder> x1, y1, x2, y2 ?
14.05.13 #       <LinusN> i think width, height
14.05.59 #       <LinusN> and make sure that you shrink the rectangle if it is out of bounds
14.06.17 #       <Bagder> now why would anyone do that? B)
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14.13.54 #       <LinusN> "Thanks to all those that are devoting alot of time to make things
14.13.54 #       <LinusN> better for us Archos users!"
14.14.10 #       * LinusN blushes
14.14.35 #       <LinusN> (from the ajb6k yahoo group)
14.17.08 #       <LinusN> does anybody here have a recorder6 or 10?
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14.19.21 #       <dwihno> 1.2 1.2 1.2 1.2! Yay!
14.19.23 #       <dwihno> :-D
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14.20.01 #       <LinusN> testing... 1.2 ...testing... 1.2 
14.20.26 #       <dwihno> :-)
14.20.57 #       <Bagder> so, archos is on 1.28 ? we have like 26 releases left to reach them! ;-)
14.22.37 #       <Bagder> *done*
14.22.46 #       <LinusN> we have much more time on the player, 5.xx
14.23.00 #       <Bagder> hehe
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14.25.32 #       <elinenbe> I'm back!
14.25.40 #       <jedix`> how is the project going anyways?
14.25.42 #       * Bagder hoorays
14.25.52 #       <elinenbe> Does anyone here know where you can buy Volkswagen OEM stuff?
14.25.56 #       <Bagder> jedix`: it rocks more than ever ;-)
14.26.39 #       <elinenbe> is this the right channel for trading files -- I've got tones of MMF and FFM plus a little F/Animal stuff for trade :)
14.26.58 #       * Bagder looks at elinenbe
14.27.15 #       <dwihno> I got FF :-)
14.27.22 #       <dwihno> Farbror Frej
14.27.24 #       <dwihno> :-)
14.27.34 #       <elinenbe> hehe
14.28.19 #       <elinenbe> this is kind of sad: http://www.spectral-imagination.com/shane/homepage/Archos%20JBMM/JBMM%20Wish%20List.htm -- they just come out with the multimedia player and already people are not satisfied.  At least there seems to be less bugs then in the players and recorders.
14.33.58 #       <elinenbe> what is this Rockbox thing you speak of?
14.35.30 #       <RipnetUK> elinenbe - am i understanding u correctly? you want to know what rockbox is? or am i missing some joke?
14.37.41 #       <elinenbe> it is a joke.  I know what it is.  But, I am preparing the channel for questions like this?
14.39.48 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: no problems we just do like this:
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14.40.58 #       * LinusN feels the power
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14.41.47 #       <calpefrosch> hi there
14.41.48 #       <LinusN> i sense a smell of frog
14.41.53 #       <calpefrosch> hehe
14.41.53 #       <LinusN> yo
14.42.03 #       <Bagder> hi calpefrosch
14.42.29 #       <calpefrosch> after a long time of absence I'm back. And did something really stupid
14.42.44 #       <LinusN> joined this channel?
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14.42.53 #       <Bagder> ran the stock firmware?
14.43.03 #       <calpefrosch> I removed 3 files from CVS, I wanted to remove them from my local drive, but ...
14.43.12 #       <calpefrosch> ... removed them from CVS
14.43.19 #       <calpefrosch> I hope it is not a problem
14.43.25 #       <LinusN> what files?
14.43.29 #       <calpefrosch> wait
14.43.45 #       <Bagder> they're not removed for real, only at your place I guess
14.43.47 #       <calpefrosch> cvs server: scheduling `uisw32.vcproj' for removal 
14.43.47 #       <calpefrosch> cvs server: scheduling `uisw32.suo' for removal 
14.43.47 #       <calpefrosch> cvs server: scheduling `UI256.bmp' for removal
14.44.08 #       <Bagder> add them again
14.44.23 #       <Bagder> or just remove everything and re-checkout 
14.44.28 #       <LinusN> hehe, elinenbe must have been angry... :-)
14.44.38 #       <calpefrosch> tnx
14.45.11 #       <calpefrosch> congrats to the 1.2 firmware. It is really cool
14.46.28 #       <LinusN> calpefrosch: we missed you. where have you been?
14.46.58 #       <calpefrosch> hmmm, I couldn't help you so much.
14.47.23 #       <RipnetUK> is there any reason the WPS screen doesnt scroll the ID3 info?
14.47.28 #       <calpefrosch> and I had no time to learn C, because of much work here at work
14.47.41 #       <LinusN> RipnetUK: yes, only one line can scroll at a time
14.48.04 #       <Bagder> the scroll thread is a bit limited 
14.48.13 #       <calpefrosch> But now I wanted to look at the code ... and you see what happend :-)
14.48.21 #       <Bagder> haha
14.48.52 #       <LinusN> mbr: i don't like the date format. :-)
14.49.04 #       <RipnetUK> i see thanks
14.49.23 #       <mbr> LinusN: I've waited for that :)
14.49.31 #       <mbr> Better MM/DD/YY
14.49.35 #       <mbr> ?
14.49.47 #       <LinusN> or YYYY-MM-DD
14.50.06 #       * Bagder awaits ISO 8601 references ;-)
14.50.11 #       <LinusN> or even YYYY-MMM-DD
14.50.21 #       <mbr> MMM?
14.50.26 #       <Bagder> with letters
14.50.27 #       <LinusN> "jan", "feb"
14.50.34 #       <LinusN> no confusion
14.50.38 #       <mbr> Ah!
14.51.36 #       <LinusN> mbr: still, great job with the date/time setting!!!
14.51.54 #       <LinusN> we have a problem with the menus
14.51.59 #       <mbr> OK, I think YYYY-MMM-DD would be best.
14.52.10 #       <LinusN> there is no indication whatsoeever that there are more options below the screen
14.52.27 #       <Bagder> true
14.52.32 #       <LinusN> a scroll bar, maybe?
14.52.40 #       <Bagder> scroll bar would make it better
14.52.57 #       <Hes> scroll bar, yes... preferably somehow under the cursor to preserve space 8-)
14.54.08 #       <Bagder> I think we can waste a few pixels on the left side for a scrollbar
14.54.17 #       <LinusN> or the last line could be replaced by a down arrow
14.54.31 #       <Bagder> uh
14.54.39 #       <Bagder> but if there's only one line? ;-)
14.54.51 #       <Bagder> hm, no sorry
14.54.53 #       <LinusN> do we have scroll bars with proportionally sized knob?
14.55.02 #       <LinusN> we could use that
14.55.14 #       <Bagder> I agree
14.55.18 #       <Bagder> it would need to have that in fact
14.55.24 #       <LinusN> yes
14.55.41 #       <LinusN> i would like that in the file browser as well
14.56.05 #       <LinusN> (configurable, yex, yes...)
14.56.25 #       <Bagder> I think I'd prefer to have it togglable in the dir browser
14.56.28 #       <Bagder> like the status bar
14.57.04 #       <Bagder> it could go on f3 too, "nothing, bar, scroll, bar + scroll"
14.57.57 #       <LinusN> coolers
14.59.36 #       <LinusN> i've been thinking about the RTC accuracy
14.59.49 #       <LinusN> it may need calibration
15.00.19 #       <LinusN> maybe we can store the time in RTC RAM when we set it
15.00.30 #       <LinusN> and adjust when we set it the next time
15.00.37 #       <LinusN> adjust=calibrate
15.04.28 #       <mbr> Sounds good, i'll look into that this weekend
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15.07.12 #       * nsauzede says hi all
15.07.35 #       * calpefrosch says bye bye
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15.08.22 #       <LinusN> hi nsauzede
15.10.07 #       <Bagder> hey nsauzede
15.10.08 #       <nsauzede> linus: are there any bots in all the nicknames connected ?
15.10.19 #       <LinusN> logbot is a bot
15.10.20 Topic   "it is a 1.2 day today" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
15.10.38 #       <nsauzede> bagder: yeah !
15.10.47 #       <LinusN> other than that, i don't think so
15.11.04 #       <LinusN> logbot is a Dancer!
15.11.12 #       * Bagder yays
15.11.17 #       * LinusN points at Bagder
15.11.39 #       <nsauzede> bagder: about compiling rockbox-sim under cygwin :
15.12.18 #       <nsauzede> indeed, the cygwin gcc is some sort of mingw32 :)
15.12.40 #       <nsauzede> but I couldn't compile some runnable sim with it :(
15.12.52 #       <nsauzede> (segfault)
15.15.26 #       * Bagder leaves for coffee
15.19.56 #       <nsauzede> is cvs.rockbox down ?
15.20.24 #       <LinusN> no
15.21.57 #       <LinusN> if you mean the CVS on sourceforge, that is
15.21.57 #       <nsauzede> linus: I get :"cvs [login aborted]: connect to cvs.rockbox.sourceforge.net:2401 failed: Attempt to connect timed out without establishing a connection
15.23.02 #       <LinusN> it works from here
15.23.22 #       <nsauzede> oops.. my fault then ?
15.26.55 #       <LinusN> no firewall or anything like that?
15.28.30 #       <nsauzede> ahh, it worked, finally...
15.28.43 #       <nsauzede> well, I don't know...
15.28.57 #       <nsauzede> maybe my ISP was lagging a bit.
15.29.41 #       <nsauzede> have a nice day Linus (and everybody :) !!
15.29.51 #       * nsauzede says bye...
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15.33.49 #       <dwihno> If anyone gets mingw32 to compile the simu, please notify me :-)
15.33.57 #       <LinusN> mbr: the Code Police is after you!
15.34.01 #       <dwihno> :O
15.34.28 #       <mbr> UPS!
15.34.31 #       <dwihno> Code police - codename Zagor - "You got the right to indent. Every comment you won't make will be held against you!"
15.34.41 #       <LinusN> HAHA!
15.35.58 #       <mbr> What have i done?
15.36.29 #       <LinusN> you shouldn't put the body on the same line as the condition in an 'if' statement
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15.37.17 #       <mbr> bad old habit  .. sorry
15.37.33 #       <LinusN> hi elinenbe_!
15.37.37 #       <elinenbe_> hey there.
15.37.58 #       <elinenbe_> things look to be going good.
15.38.00 #       <mbr> Question about time/date setting display
15.38.04 #       <mbr> HH:MM:SS
15.38.06 #       <mbr> DOW YYYY MMM DD
15.38.24 #       <mbr> Is that ok? or do I need dashes?
15.38.26 #       <elinenbe_> LinusN: when do you think repeat will make it's way into the box?
15.38.37 #       <mbr> DOW YYYY-MMM-DD
15.38.40 #       <LinusN> mbr: looks good to me
15.38.42 #       <elinenbe_> mbr: make the date string configurable :)
15.38.52 #       <LinusN> elinenbe_: repeat is there, unconditionally!
15.39.01 #       <elinenbe_> LinusN: aahhh...
15.39.10 #       <LinusN> you can't turn it off atm
15.39.30 #       <elinenbe_> was the roadmap updated for 1.2
15.39.36 #       <LinusN> sort of
15.39.53 #       <LinusN> we have kind of ignored the roadmap
15.41.57 #       <elinenbe_> persistent settings in 1.3 means saving to disk -- right?
15.42.01 #       <LinusN> yes
15.42.31 #       <dwihno> LinusN: Since you're the hardware ninja, do you think adding recording stuff (after disk writes) should be a hard task?
15.42.49 #       <LinusN> elinenbe_: was it you who made the slider widgets?
15.42.51 #       <dwihno> (I don't really care about that, but I'm a bit curious ^_^)
15.43.04 #       <LinusN> dwihno: no, i don't think so
15.43.24 #       <LinusN> but i haven't thought that much about it lately
15.44.00 #       <matp|work> when i plug the power in, the battery icon drops considerably. when i take it out, it jumps back up again. is this correct?
15.44.15 #       <elinenbe_> once there is some sort of config or .ini file, that will e fun!
15.45.53 #       <LinusN> matp|work: no, that isn't supposed to be
15.46.36 #       <LinusN> i think that has to do with Hes's effort to compensate the battery voltage measurement when charging
15.46.44 #       <elinenbe_> what is the status on the rolo code that was submitted a few days ago, or has that been placed on the backburner?  It makes development for me much faster... load rockbox firmware, code, compile, plug in usb, compy over new firmware, load, code, ....
15.46.48 #       <elinenbe_> no rebooting!
15.47.33 #       <LinusN> elinenbe_: it currently doesn't work for the recorder
15.48.01 #       <LinusN> and we have been busy with the 1.2 release the last couple of days
15.48.03 #       <matp|work> LinusN: So it is charging, right? It seems to be charging very quickly. It's gone from 1/2 to 3/4 in about 5 mins!!
15.48.32 #       <LinusN> matp|work: that may also have to do with the condition of your batteries
15.48.35 #       <elinenbe_> LinusN: thanks for the update.
15.48.44 #       <LinusN> matp|work: player, right?
15.49.13 #       <matp|work> LinusN: Recorder
15.49.18 #       <LinusN> ok
15.49.41 #       <LinusN> watch the battery graph in the debug menu
15.49.50 #       <matp|work> what do you mean condition? They are worn out, or they are good?
15.50.25 #       <LinusN> one or the other... :-)
15.50.39 #       <matp|work> I've got a small spike, the a steep curve
15.50.56 #       <matp|work> then
15.51.42 #       <matp|work> hmm, now it's fully charged. 10 mins from 1/2 empty. That's good going!
15.52.00 #       <Hes> matp|work: the battery level (info menu % and the status bar) does not show anything meaningful while charging
15.52.33 #       <Hes> Did it actually stop charging automatically or why do you think it's fully charged?
15.52.36 #       <matp|work> Hes: Ahh, ok, how do I tell when it's fully charged?
15.52.54 #       <matp|work> Hes, because status bar shows full battery.
15.53.17 #       <matp|work> Hes, but I see it's still blinking, so I guess it's still charging
15.53.19 #       <LinusN> matp|work: does the power plug symbol blink?
15.54.14 #       <Hes> It stops blinking when it's charged
15.54.18 #       <matp|work> Hmm, slightly misleading, but the workaround it to look at the blink symbol rather than the battery icon
15.54.31 #       <Hes> and also in the debug menu, there's the battery viewer
15.54.38 #       <Hes> with three views (up/down toggle)
15.54.47 #       <Hes> which shows if it's charging or not...
15.54.58 #       <matp|work> gotcha
15.55.07 #       <Hes> also the voltage history graph... you will see it drop sharply when the charger is disconnected
15.55.19 #       <Hes> need to write an user guide for the charger 8-)
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15.55.28 #       <LinusN> hi dazol
15.55.36 #       <dazol> 'aloo
15.55.53 #       <matp|work> I like the "charge started at 52%". 
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15.56.57 #       <dazol> rockbox 1.2 is supposed to support relative paths in playlists, right?
15.57.03 #       <LinusN> yes
15.57.21 #       <dazol> hmmm....ok, just one sec before I comment on it
15.57.45 #       * LinusN is waiting anxiously
15.58.37 #       <dazol> ok, i have a player with archos firmware 5.0.7
15.59.01 #       <LinusN> mbr: i want key repeat in the time setting
15.59.10 #       <dazol> when I select a playlist with rockbox 1.2, it hangs at "Playing...10 files"
15.59.43 #       <dazol> the hdd light stays pretty much solid red.  ive waited almost 1/2 hour for it to start playing, but no go
15.59.44 #       <LinusN> tell me about the directory and the playlist
16.00.12 #       <dazol> dir: mp3->1_playlist->zombie.m3u
16.00.25 #       <dazol> it has songs from 3 seperate directories in it
16.00.47 #       <dazol> ex. song listed in the playlist: /home/daz/archos/mp3/suicidal_tendencies/send_me_your_money.mp3
16.00.59 #       <LinusN> ok so the playlist is /mp3/1_playlist/zombie.m3u
16.01.07 #       <dazol> right
16.01.33 #       <LinusN> and the entry in the playlist is /home/daz/archos/mp3........
16.01.51 #       <dazol> right
16.01.57 #       <LinusN> that can't work
16.02.02 #       <matp|work> we don't parse .. do we?
16.02.02 #       <dazol> doh
16.02.15 Nick    Zagor|ale is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
16.02.19 #       <LinusN> there is no /home/daz/archos directory on your player?
16.02.21 Nick    Zagor is now known as TheCodePolice (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
16.02.33 #       <TheCodePolice> nag nag nag
16.02.38 #       <dazol> nope, the player starts at mp3
16.02.46 #       <LinusN> there is your problem
16.03.06 #       <dazol> so do i have to make the playlists absolute, then?
16.03.28 #       <TheCodePolice> dazol: relative means "not starting with /"
16.03.41 #       <matp|work> it doesn't understand '..' constructs
16.03.48 #       <LinusN> the Rockbox can't possibly know that you want to strip the /home/daz/archos part of the path
16.03.55 #       <LinusN> matp|work: it does
16.03.59 Nick    TheCodePolice is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
16.04.02 #       <dazol> TheCodePolice: oh, hmmmm
16.04.35 #       <dazol> so if a song entry from say: /home/daz/archos/mp3/suicidal_tendencies/send_me_your_money.mp3
16.04.40 #       <matp|work> LinusN: good, it's been a while since I looked at the code ;)
16.04.46 #       <dazol> to /mp3/suicidal_tendencies/send_me_your_money.mp3 
16.04.50 #       <dazol> it should dwork?
16.04.53 #       <Zagor> yes
16.05.02 #       <dazol> ok, let me try that.
16.05.17 #       <LinusN> dazol: or you can put this in your playlist: ../../suicidal...
16.05.40 #       <LinusN> sorry, ../suicidal...
16.07.12 #       <LinusN> Zagor: do you have a good solution to the partition type problem?
16.07.28 #       <dazol> that worked (removing the /home/daz/archos part
16.07.34 #       <Bagder> can't we probe for a fat32 fs somehow?
16.07.36 #       <dazol> thank you much
16.07.37 #       <LinusN> dazol: great!
16.07.44 #       <LinusN> Bagder: sure
16.07.48 #       <Zagor> my fix worked for ah_ so we should probably try that and see if any other problems occur
16.08.07 #       <LinusN> Zagor: commit it
16.08.16 #       <LinusN> I want to help Remo
16.08.19 #       <Zagor> that's my fix. just trying fat_mount() on every partition until one returns ok
16.08.30 #       <Bagder> aha, nice ;-)
16.08.38 #       <dazol> are there any plans to implement that?  (parsing anything before /mp3 out of the playlist) ?
16.08.50 #       <Zagor> dazol: how would we know what to remove?
16.08.51 #       <LinusN> dazol: how would that work?
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16.09.10 #       <mbr> Zargor: shall I commit the reindented cld.c code?
16.09.15 #       <Bagder> we could do a better error message though
16.09.28 #       <Zagor> mbr: please do
16.09.32 #       <dazol> well, read the path and anything before /mp3 is stripped?  iim assuming thats how archos did it
16.09.48 #       <Zagor> dazol: my files are stored in /cd
16.09.59 #       <LinusN> dazol: i don't have a directory called mp3 on my box
16.10.03 #       <dazol> Zagor: on the archos?
16.10.05 #       <Bagder> I don't have 'mp3' in my path either
16.10.28 #       <Zagor> dazol: no, on my computer. on the archos they are in /Pop /Rock etc.
16.10.58 #       <Zagor> why don't you make real playlists instead?
16.11.02 #       <LinusN> rockbox doesn't care at all what your directories are called
16.11.08 #       <dazol> hmmm....
16.11.27 #       <LinusN> Zagor: define "real playlist" :-)
16.11.46 #       <Zagor> "correct" then
16.11.50 #       <dazol> Zagor: well, since I know its an "issue" for v 1.2 (imho) ill have to do that now :)
16.12.03 #       <LinusN> it's not a issue
16.12.06 #       <dazol> however, the archos firmware manages to do it :)
16.12.07 #       <LinusN> it's a fact of life
16.12.10 #       <Bagder> a suggestion! we add some good hints on the site on how to create playlists easily
16.12.19 #       <Zagor> Bagder: good idea
16.12.21 #       <Bagder> like on windows/linux
16.12.43 #       <dazol> i like the rockbox version better though.
16.12.53 #       <LinusN> dazol: funnily enough, you are the first who have mentioned this
16.13.06 #       <Bagder> all the talk about playlists on the mailing list shows that people do have a problem with them
16.13.16 #       <LinusN> i didn't know that archos hada predefined 'mp3' directory
16.13.16 #       <dazol> LinusN: wow.  that is interesting...
16.13.29 #       <dazol> it has always been there on mine
16.13.43 #       <LinusN> now i remember
16.13.45 #       <matp|work> Do I *have* to reload a playlist just to toggle shuffle ?
16.13.46 #       <Bagder> I think there was one on mine too 
16.13.52 #       <LinusN> i deleted that dir the first day
16.13.53 #       <Bagder> matp|work: no
16.14.03 #       <dazol> the thing is, I can create a playlist with xmms with paths like "/home/daz/mp3/dir/song"
16.14.10 #       <Bagder> LinusN: me too ;-)
16.14.11 #       <matp|work> Me too :) Mine had some dodgy french songs in it!
16.14.28 #       <Bagder> dazol: use find! ;-)
16.14.30 #       <dazol> stick that in my 1_playlist directory on the archos, and the archos firmware had no problem
16.14.51 #       <dazol> Badger: for what?
16.14.52 #       <matp|work> Bagder: It's in the release notes
16.14.58 #       <Bagder> find . -name "*mp3" > playlist.m3u
16.15.07 #       <Bagder> Zagor: fix release notes! ;-)
16.15.33 #       <dazol> :) now that I know how rockbox needs it playlists, I wont have a problem creating them :)
16.15.42 #       <LinusN> Bagder: and the FAQ too
16.15.53 #       <Bagder> is that in the faq?
16.16.01 #       <LinusN> no, it should be there
16.16.01 #       <dazol> s/\/home\/daz//g :)
16.16.18 #       <Bagder> dazol: right ;-)
16.16.26 #       <Bagder> sed is your friend
16.16.52 #       <mbr> have to leave, bye!
16.16.54 #       <dazol> it just wasnt mentioned anywhere so I didnt know where the problem was
16.17.00 #       <LinusN> bye mbr!
16.17.04 #       <matp|work> I think it's odd behaviour that when you turn shuffle OFF, it plays from the beginning of the playlist, not from the current directory
16.17.05 #       <Bagder> bye mbr
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16.17.37 #       <Bagder> current "directory" ?
16.17.49 #       <matp|work> I thought mecraw posted a patch so that it played from the current directory? Did no-one like it?
16.18.16 #       <Zagor> what's wrong in the release notes?
16.18.22 #       <LinusN> why current directory?
16.18.28 #       <Bagder> Zagor: you don't have to reload to toggle shuffle
16.18.47 #       <Zagor> ah
16.18.52 #       <matp|work> I'm listening to random. A song comes on by an artist  I like. I  want to listen to the rest of the album by that artist
16.19.01 #       <Bagder> aha
16.19.07 #       <Bagder> right
16.19.10 #       <Zagor> fixed
16.19.11 #       <Bagder> I remember now
16.19.22 #       <matp|work> I toggle shuffle, it plays the rest of the album. I toggle again, and it goes back to random
16.19.45 #       <Bagder> matp|work: I missed that patch when it was posted, applied another patch that fixed the sort/shuffle but didn't fix the play-the-same-song thing
16.20.25 #       <Bagder> so this is not fixed yet
16.20.34 #       <Bagder> but I agree with you, it should be made
16.20.37 #       <matp|work> Personally, I think it's pretty useful.
16.20.41 #       <Bagder> me too
16.21.14 #       <Zagor> yellow build
16.21.23 #       <LinusN> Bagder: the screen dumps in the online manual are quite old, or what?
16.21.42 #       <Bagder> LinusN: yes they are
16.21.49 #       <Zagor> some are 1.2. which ones are old?
16.22.05 #       <Bagder> but they're still functional
16.22.05 #       <LinusN> the main menu is missing the Debug choice
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16.22.19 #       <LinusN> i guess that is a simulator issue
16.22.19 #       <Zagor> yeah, since the simulator doesn't have that..
16.22.21 #       <Bagder> I think that isn't present in the simulator
16.22.39 #       <LinusN> the sound setting are old
16.22.45 #       <Zagor> same thing
16.22.48 #       <Bagder> LinusN: stop whining, update ;-)
16.23.07 #       <Zagor> it's not old, it's simulator
16.23.07 #       <Bagder> it is gonna be a hard job to keep those up-to-date
16.23.15 #       <LinusN> maybe a screen dump feature on the target?
16.23.23 #       <Zagor> good idea
16.23.30 #       <LinusN> Bagder: no, we only update them at releases
16.23.33 #       <Bagder> yeah... without file save? ;-)
16.23.42 #       <RipnetUK> Have any plans been made to enable scrolling on all lines? surely we just need an array[0..7] of scrollinfo, and to iterate through them each time we update. Each may need a boolean enabled flag. Or does someone else have another idea in mind?
16.23.47 #       <LinusN> Bagder: Zagor will fix that in no time
16.23.49 #       <LinusN> :-)
16.23.51 #       <Bagder> hahaha
16.24.05 #       <Zagor> :)
16.24.07 #       <Bagder> RipnetUK: we need something like that, yes
16.24.15 #       <Bagder> RipnetUK: I want smooth scrolling enabled too
16.24.29 #       <matp|work> Also, I want a shortcut toggle shuffle button
16.24.43 #       <matp|work> Multiscroll will rule.
16.24.48 #       <RipnetUK> yeah, f2 for shuffle on/off would rock
16.25.02 #       <LinusN> matp|work: post featuree requests on sourceforge
16.25.26 #       <LinusN> it's hard to remember everything
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16.26.47 #       <LinusN> we should probably enable the disk writes on Player soon
16.26.55 #       <Bagder> yes
16.27.11 #       <Bagder> would rock
16.27.18 #       <Bagder> :-)
16.27.44 #       <LinusN> otherwise we will never know how good it works
16.30.35 #       <LinusN> it's time to go home
16.30.39 #       <LinusN> bye all!
16.30.40 #       <matp|work> done
16.30.44 #       <matp|work> by linus
16.30.47 #       <LinusN> matp|work: saw it
16.30.48 #       <Bagder> bye LinusN
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16.34.06 #       <Bagder> I'm off too, friday is early day!
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16.35.34 #       <Bagder> hey Zagor, you did notice that I added that update_rect(), right?
16.35.58 #       <Bagder> I'm off
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16.41.06 #       <datazone-work> anyone got a chance to review the archos multimedia yet?
16.41.53 #       * jedix` looks at the title and tries to calculate 24 x 1.2..
16.42.16 #       <jedix`> 28.8h in today?
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16.48.25 #       <Hadaka> can you buy the multimedia already?
16.50.47 #       <Hadaka> whoaa, you can in the US, not in europe
16.51.00 #       <Hadaka> oh, pre-order ship date august 12
16.51.12 #       <Hadaka> 400 dollars
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16.53.10 #       <datazone-work> i figured someone somewhere would have a review by now, but nope
16.53.27 #       <datazone-work> and i need it since my jukebox died yesterday, and its no longer under warrenty
16.56.42 #       <matp|work> how long did it last?
17.22.08 #       <Zagor> datazone-work: don't expect rockbox to run on the Multimedia anytime soon. It's a whole different architecture.
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17.35.02 #       <datazone-work> matp|work: about a year and a half
17.35.09 #       <datazone-work> Zagor: i didnt expect it to
17.39.44 #       <freshmaker|coffe> datazone-work: in germany we now have full 2 year warranty enforced by law
17.40.25 #       <freshmaker|coffe> except wearing parts, of course
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17.53.16 #       <datazone-work> cool tomshardware has a review up
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18.59.01 #       <g003y> long time no see all
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19.35.35 #       <RipnetUK> is something up with th mailing list? ive tried 3 times to post my multi-line scroll patch, and it doesnt seem to be coming back from the list?
19.37.28 #       <RipnetUK> ah ha seems to be ok now
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20.24.56 #       <MeRWiN> wow, that's a lot of commits and e-mails :)
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21.06.42 #       <MeRWiN> anyone here?
21.07.14 #       <webmind> yes
21.07.16 #       <webmind> well
21.07.18 #       <webmind> not much
21.07.23 #       <webmind> but someone :)
21.08.26 #       <MeRWiN> do you have cvs write access?
21.10.20 #       <webmind> nope
21.10.29 #       <MeRWiN> k
21.10.30 #       <MeRWiN> :)
21.33.34 #       <MeRWiN> It's a playschool My First CVS Update :P
21.34.06 #       <webmind> hm k
21.34.12 #       <webmind> never used cvs sofar :)
21.34.35 #       <MeRWiN> It's fun once you get used to it :)
21.34.53 #       <webmind> hm k
21.36.31 #       <Zagor|away> who is markus brown? you've introduced warnings in the sim build. please fix!
21.37.20 #       <MeRWiN> Zagor|away: i noticed that too
21.38.04 #       <MeRWiN> Zagor|away: at first I thought I did it :)
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