--- Log for 10.08.102 Server: gibson.openprojects.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 1 day and 5 hours ago 00.03.29 Nick PsycoXul_ is now known as PSycoXul (psyco@adsl-63-205-45-167.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 00.41.05 Join RipnetUK [0] (~george@ripnet.fsnet.co.uk) 00.42.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.18.07 Quit RipnetUK () 01.40.57 Quit mistaRx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.42.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.11.53 # hey 03.12.01 # does rockbox support recording yet 03.12.43 # nope 03.12.51 # we're hoping that for maybe 1.4 03.13.03 # right now we dont have disk writting working yet 03.13.07 # oh cool 03.13.12 # when that happens.. recording shouldn't be too far behind 03.13.22 # i just installed rockbox on my recorder :) 03.13.30 # sweet :) 03.13.32 # its really good from what i've seen 03.13.36 # how do you like it so far? 03.13.44 # you on the mailing list? 03.14.04 # i'm not on the list 03.14.13 # it seems really cool so far though 03.14.25 # nods 03.14.34 # you may want to join the list if you feel like helping out 03.14.35 # :) 03.14.50 # either that or just hang on for the line 03.15.29 # the ride rather :) 03.15.35 # :) 03.25.05 # hmm.. you guys are some sharp cookies.. i have a real bad hardware problem with my jukebox and its no longer under warrenty 03.31.01 # no takers? 03.31.04 # oh well 03.36.53 # hey 03.37.04 # i dont know much about the archos internals so i dont know if this would be feasible 03.37.14 # ah 03.37.18 # no prob 03.37.29 # but i saw on the site it wouldnt be possible to play oggs because you'd have to reprogram the dsp chip 03.37.41 # and the cpu isnt fast enough to do the decoding 03.37.50 # what about other formats 03.37.53 # like shn 03.37.59 # which is lossless 03.38.02 # same thing 03.38.05 # check out the FAQ 03.38.31 # question 17 to be exact 03.38.39 # datazone what is the issue your having? 03.38.49 # does all output have to go through the dsp? 03.39.01 # as far as i know yeah... 03.39.08 # ok 03.39.11 # just a thought :) 03.39.28 # well, today the device just locked up and started giving hard drive errors 03.39.33 # i have like a ton of .shn files you see 03.39.38 # so i figure, okay, run scandisk and fix it 03.40.00 # tried that, then the device would no longer power up in mp3 playing mode 03.40.06 # were you using Rockbox or the factory firmware? 03.40.11 # factory 03.40.23 # hmmm... are you still able to mount the device? 03.40.30 # and access it 03.40.52 # only under windows 2000... undex 98 or linux it auto powers off after usb activation 03.41.12 # hmmmm... 03.41.15 # i reformatted 03.41.39 # well.. what you could try is dling the rockbox new release, loading that and see if it runs 03.41.40 # i even pulled the unit apart and rebuilt the partition by directly connecting it to another computer 03.41.52 # if it does, thens its not a hardware issue 03.42.47 # adi|home: it doesnt even show anything on the display unless the power cable is in it, and then only the "battery charging" screen or the usb active screen 03.42.57 # ahhh... 03.43.03 # well you might have fully drained the batteries 03.43.12 # unless you know there is a charge there... 03.43.37 # there is, i always keep the unit charged, and its always plugged in when i am not using it 03.43.50 # hmmm.. not sure.. 03.43.54 Join jmw [0] (jmw@ool-18e451ed.dyn.optonline.net) 03.43.59 # hang out here if you can... 03.44.13 # only thing i can think of is if the internal firmware is corrupted in some manner 03.44.15 # when Zagor or Bagder come in see if they know... 03.44.20 # okay 03.44.22 # will do 03.44.29 # hey all, how do you get the simulator to run with a newly built firmware build 03.44.40 # in the mean time i will call best buy and see when they will have the multimedia in stock 03.47.48 # how in hell is "archos" pronunced? 03.48.29 # i swear to god i hate retail stores, he dont have it in stock nor knows when it will be instock 03.49.20 # pronouncing archos.. me and my work mates say "ARR-CHOSE" but we're probably wrong 03.51.46 Nick dwihno|PARTY is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 03.51.49 # The party is OVER :-) 03.51.59 # damn 03.52.18 # :-) 03.52.22 # At least, for me 03.52.36 # You don't have to stop! :) 03.53.01 # so how do you guys pronounce it 03.53.13 # archos that is 03.53.31 # i usualy say ar-kose 03.53.42 # why 03.53.46 # i dunno 03.53.50 # :p 03.54.07 # i say "arch-o-s" 03.54.19 # ar-cho-ess? 03.54.27 # no 03.54.29 # or ar-choes 03.54.36 # "arch" "o" "s" 03.54.42 # heh 03.55.02 # arc oz (with a 's' pronounciation on the z) 03.55.02 # arkos! 03.55.23 # heh 03.55.30 # o as in dog or o as in toblerone 03.55.31 # o as in holy 03.55.38 # for mine :p 03.55.43 # o as in team 03.55.45 # why didnt they call it something more simple 03.55.48 # heh 03.55.58 # its the company name 03.56.01 # jmw: why didn't who call what? :p 03.56.02 # "MP3 player thingy" :) 03.56.12 # yeah that woulda done. 03.56.20 # then it'd been the archos mp3 player thingy 03.56.41 # cool-hardware-crap-software might have done too. 03.56.41 # its name is just jukebox 6000 03.56.42 # rather than archos {jukebox,recorder,multimedia} 03.57.05 # yeah but i have the recorder. i can't call it recorder coz ppl think i'm talking about a girl's whistle 03.57.20 # so call it an mp3 recoder 03.57.25 # or a jukebox recorder 03.57.33 # oh well, i think i should go home now... i have had too bad of a day to stick around.. i wonder how worse it could get 03.57.39 # i don't have time to say that 03.57.54 # datazone-work: don't say so - it will cause the evil spirits to make the day worse! :( 03.57.57 # Yum 03.58.03 # i dare them 03.58.03 # I smell like a smeetvrees! 03.58.11 # heh 03.58.15 # so does anyone know how to use the simulator or am i wasting my time 03.58.28 # you run it 03.58.33 # after compiling it... 03.58.39 # yeah, is there more to it than that? 03.58.42 # press some keys 03.58.46 # thats about it 03.58.58 # yeah but i wanna run a different .mod file... how.. HOW.. HOOW 03.59.03 # it doesn't run .mod files 03.59.08 # it runs code compiled into it 03.59.09 # so what's the point man 03.59.12 # oh i see 03.59.13 Quit datazone-work ("Client Exiting") 03.59.19 # now there's an idea. 03.59.36 # it'd be nice if it ran .mod files but that'd be a lot of emulation 03.59.37 # yeah, why test everything in a test environment instead of trying it on the hardware :) 04.00.02 # my poor "jukebox recorder unit" gets hot if i leave it connected for hours at a time 04.00.03 # hmm wtf 04.00.06 Nick PSycoXul is now known as PsycoXul (psyco@adsl-63-205-45-167.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 04.00.07 # heh 04.00.20 # heh 04.00.34 # so how many ppl here are actually coders 04.00.40 # not very many? 04.00.44 # :p 04.01.00 # so what do you do if you're not a coder 04.01.05 # use 04.01.07 # discuss 04.01.11 # whine 04.01.14 # an abuser huh 04.01.50 # tell the people who actualy have a clue what they're doing about how they're doing it wrong... heh 04.01.55 # etc :p 04.02.25 # now that's a complicated sentence that i'm really too tired to comprehend 04.02.43 # heh 04.02.54 # in short: PsycoXul is the official support guy - just /msg him with your questions :) 04.03.05 # tell "the people who actualy have a clue what they're doing" about "how they're doing it wrong" 04.03.24 # that better? heh 04.03.35 # i'm reading it the 6th time 04.03.41 # nm :p 04.03.41 # hold on.. 04.04.20 # so you tell the experts about stuff they messed up 04.04.34 # yeah something like that 04.04.44 # i've been slacking on my job though 04.04.52 # sounds like QA 04.05.00 # QA sucks. 04.05.02 # somehow i guess i let the player's distortion slip into 1.2 still 04.05.21 # i must not have annoyed linus about it enough 04.05.25 # distortion isn't a biggie.. just turn down the loudness. archos users are used to it 04.05.39 # nah, its volume-independant 04.05.48 # really. haven't noticed that 04.05.50 # and it's never happened on the stock firmware 04.05.59 # volume and bass independent? 04.06.02 # the distortion i've gotten with rockbox on my player, anyways 04.06.09 # bass and trebble effect it 04.06.16 # bass increases it, trebble decreases it 04.06.30 # bass always used to distort.. but i found turning the loudness setting down sorts it out 04.06.44 # but maybe that's just me 04.06.46 # i get it through the line-out even 04.07.01 # and when the volume's set to barely audible 04.07.11 # its sporadic though 04.07.14 # interesting. 04.07.19 # if i reboot it enough times it'll eventualy go away 04.07.20 # well kinda interesting. 04.07.48 # i thought all that sound generation stuff was all hardware 04.07.51 # not rockbox 04.07.59 # but whaddo i know 04.08.13 # well there's a lot of settings on the hardware 04.08.28 # and different ways to mess with it all 04.08.31 # so you want it to stop distortion by knowing what the max should be set to for that song? 04.08.37 # yeah it's complex. 04.08.54 # well 04.08.59 # with the default sound settings 04.09.14 # then i'll either get it or i wont 04.09.21 # and when i get it it'll distort on any full-sounding song 04.09.25 # usualy with a good amount of bass 04.09.31 # story of my life.. 04.09.42 # but mostly when there's a big range of sound 04.09.54 # yeah.. i always noticed that even with the original firmware 04.10.08 # for example a bass drum hit won't always distort by itself but with a guitar going it'll distort when the bass drum hits 04.10.13 # i wish it was more dynamic... read ahead to see whether it needed to adjust the bass 04.10.40 # but then i reboot a few times and it'll come up without distortion 04.10.46 # and then it all plays clear 04.10.50 # well that sounds like a bug then 04.10.56 # it is 04.11.03 # like i said i've never gotten it with the stock firmware 04.11.08 # and i didn't used to get it with rockbox 04.11.21 # you don't have any idea what the status of the writing code is do you... i mean, whether anyone has tested anything yet 04.11.39 # well i don't think there's any code for file writing yet 04.11.44 # but write access to the disk works 04.11.50 # i was really impressed with the speed of 1.2 04.12.05 # well why doesn't anyone write the file writing code 04.12.16 # what else do they have to do damnit 04.12.43 # for players you can define something in the build and it'll add the code to save the settings to a sector on the HD 04.12.44 # cvs has experimental writing 04.12.46 # which works fine for me 04.12.57 # (if you define it) 04.12.59 # but even thats experimental, thus having to define it 04.13.20 # i got the latest cvs.. the experimental stuff isn't integrated into the UI right? 04.13.36 # oh if you define it 04.13.38 # well there's no UI element to the settings saving code 04.13.55 # well i got a recorder anyway, so it stores it in that ram with a funny name 04.14.07 # i desperately want a resume function. 04.14.26 # but you gotta define SAVE_TO_DISK 04.14.27 # yeah 04.14.33 # the recorder just uses the rtc ram 04.14.50 # so why is resume so far down in the feature list 04.14.59 # i mean, on the recorder it could just store the resume stuff in rtc 04.15.08 # how difficult could it be 04.15.20 # actualy 04.15.23 # if i'm starting to sound like i'm whining i apologize 04.15.29 # but it's not fair!!!!!! 04.15.36 # playlist resume shouldn't be too hard to impliment at this point 04.15.50 # yeah that almost exactly what i want 04.16.30 # there's no in-track seeking code at all yet that i know of though 04.16.33 # another thing i was thinking about was searching. i want something like winamp, and i think that needs a pre-generated index file.. and a simple UI and tree traversal around that. 04.16.43 # why isn't searching on the feature list 04.17.00 # well they're still trying to get the more basic features in there 04.17.05 # in-track seeking isn't a biggie.. just remembering the location in the playlist is good enough for now 04.17.07 # yeah i know. 04.17.30 # i'm just excited by all this... i only found rockbox a couple of days ago, before that i thought my archos had hit a deadend. 04.17.37 # hehe 04.17.53 # here was me thinking of buying a nomad.. eek 04.18.18 # personally, i knew rockbox was going to come around before it did 04.18.22 # hmm 04.18.29 # such a visionary 04.18.33 # i asked for an archos for xmas 04.18.33 # does the dsp support mpeg layer 2 04.18.55 Quit motiv01 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.18.57 # and a few weeks later i found info on the disassembly of the archos firmware 04.19.04 # and the scramble/descramble tools 04.19.17 # yeah that would have sparked the whole thing 04.19.25 # that was the start of rockbox 04.19.25 # heh 04.19.35 # can't believe they went to all the trouble of scrambling it, and then use something as simple as rolling and xoring 04.19.36 # but when i first decided i want one 04.19.59 # i just looked at it and thought "hey this thing can do way more than just play mp3's.. there's Going to be an open source software for it" and lucky us there came to be hehe 04.20.51 # yeah.. it's an interesting machine. the default firmware really isnt very good, it's a pity that GPL will stop archos from buying rockbox and distributing by default 04.21.04 # heh 04.21.31 # i also figured there'd be hardware mods 04.21.49 # yeah. do you know anyone who's put in a 40Gb ? 04.21.49 # which i've only seen a few of so far, and only a couple actualy useful 04.22.01 # funmp3players.com has an archos forum 04.22.19 # i've seen people in there saying about having 40 and 60G's in their units 04.22.38 # that place even sells pre-upgraded ones 04.22.38 # 60Gs. now that's something. where would you GET that much music 04.22.38 # heh 04.22.51 # i know people with >120G of mp3's 04.23.02 # bet those aren't ripped CDs 04.23.07 # heh 04.23.18 # yeah, they just like download every one they find 04.23.28 # you can end up with a lot of crap that way 04.23.38 # can? you Will 04.23.41 # heh 04.23.57 # but sometimes you gotta listen to crap to appreciate the ones you actually like 04.24.07 # the archos is good for that at least 04.24.11 # yeah 04.24.12 # but then again so is the radio 04.24.18 # one time i downloaded a britany spears song 04.24.23 # hehh 04.24.23 # and listened to it over and over in a fit of madness 04.24.34 # and then rm'd it 04.24.35 # heh 04.24.37 # were you looking at her poster at the same time 04.24.43 # you have to do that for effect 04.24.46 # heh 04.24.50 # nah 04.24.54 # it was interesting though 04.25.06 # it was all effects 04.25.34 # i really want inter-track resume so i can rip some DVDs and listen to em 04.25.43 # yeah 04.25.49 # got office space on there already, in chunks. kinda sucks though. 04.26.00 # i want in-track bookmarking 04.26.07 # that's an idea 04.26.28 # and also an arbitrary time skip 04.26.31 # wonder how many features they could put into rockbox before they run out of ram to load it into 04.26.38 # heh 04.26.46 # well the biggest firmware file that'll load is ~200K 04.26.52 # time skip for what 04.27.07 # ATS sounds like a good marketing acronym too 04.27.20 # well say you got a 3 hour mp3 and you want to go 1 hour and 20 minutes into it 04.27.33 # without having bookmarked that possition 04.27.48 # 200k... i wonder if it'll support paging to go beyond that. like, loading bits of the code from disk.. overwriting ram each time.. putting back the pages to disk when they're not used. that could get us over that limit 04.28.03 # yeah i was thinking about things like that 04.28.06 # ah i see.. so a 'go to' function type thing. 04.28.24 # with the ROLO patch functionality 04.28.31 # you can load seperate firmware's on-the-fly 04.28.38 # yeah. does it work? 04.28.43 # and that's good for games and mini apps and such 04.28.50 # i haven't tried it yet 04.28.59 # yeah. contact/address manager would be a nice addition 04.29.06 # it works on players but not on recorders from what i've heard last 04.29.18 # damnit 04.29.30 # we paid more too :P 04.29.41 # the guy who wrote it just doesn't have a recorder [yet] 04.29.52 # so he couldn't test it on it 04.29.57 # it'll work eventualy 04.30.04 # i guess that's the drawback of open source... no $$$$ ;) 04.30.05 # i'm hoping to see it go into cvs soon 04.31.01 # so are you on the mailing list? 04.31.19 # and i'm not sure exactly what causes the 200K limitation either.. it could be circumvented entirely in some ways possibly 04.31.45 # it may be just another arbitrary value set in the rom firmware heh 04.32.14 # but then it could be a hardware thing too, i dunno 04.32.16 # jmw: yeah 04.32.24 # could be. there's a ram buffer for storing bits of MP3s... i bet some of it is reserved for running code 04.32.34 # there's 2MB of ram 04.32.42 # afaik the firmware gets loaded into a section of it 04.32.47 # and other sections of it are used for stack 04.32.52 # or something like that 04.32.56 # and then the rest of it for data 04.32.58 # but the more you use for code, the less you have for caching mp3s.. so more disk access... more battery consumption 04.33.18 # better to have that ROLO thing.. paging 04.33.37 # well 04.33.47 # my last built archos.mod's only 56K 04.34.01 # and its a more or less fully functioning mp3 player at that size 04.34.01 # heh 04.34.15 # yeah that's true. 04.34.20 # so i doubt we'll run into the 200K limitation any time soon 04.34.37 # imagine what it'll be like when it is 200k... 04.34.43 # think i'd be satisfied by then 04.34.47 # with the mp3 player fitting in 50K... 04.34.52 # hey it does 04.34.52 # right 04.34.58 # it plays mp2s 04.35.01 # 150K of extra features is awefully bloated :p 04.35.06 # fragg: mpeg layer 2s? 04.35.10 # yep 04.35.16 # not really very surprising i suppose 04.35.21 Join motiv01_ [0] (~trillian@sdn-ar-001ncraleP259.dialsprint.net) 04.35.22 # but interesting to know 04.35.26 # yeah.. layer 1s are big 04.36.11 Nick dwihno is now known as dwihno|gone (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 04.36.23 # but yeah i want plugins 04.36.55 # i want it to be able to play MPEGs (DVD) as black and white low-resolution on the LCD and play the audio so i can watch DVDs on the archos. 04.37.01 # heh 04.37.12 # that'll be worth a laugh 04.37.17 # yeah well 12mhz can't really do much 04.37.26 # don't be a pessimist 04.37.27 # heh 04.37.34 # one frame every few seconds 04.37.50 # as i understand it, it's pretty loaded down just sending data to the decoder 04.37.55 # that's all you need if you're watching the power puff girls 04.38.14 # anyone overclocked it? 04.38.20 # to.. perhaps.. 1.7GHz ? 04.38.24 # hehe 04.38.40 # it could double up as a stove top ;) 04.38.45 # :p 04.39.38 # i'm still waiting for someone to finish up the text viewer code 04.40.35 # why 04.40.35 # i've already got a nice little selection of books on there 04.40.40 # oh.. 04.40.44 # you'd really need resume for that 04.40.48 # hehe 04.41.00 # and bookmarks :p 04.41.10 # um yeah. 04.41.16 # html viewer would be cool. 04.41.20 # heh 04.41.32 # or you could write something that converts web pages to text and then dump em on there 04.41.52 # then we'd need text to speech 04.42.02 # coz i can't read 04.42.11 # how about a wireless network adapter that hooks into the 9600 baud serial port 04.42.17 # and a tcp/ip stack 04.42.19 # :p 04.42.27 # yeah now you're talking ;) 04.42.55 # but usb man. serial ports are for old people with no hair 04.42.57 # some people have actualy done some things already regarding an mp3-based tts system i think 04.43.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.43.12 # that might be useful if it had a KEYBOARD 04.43.20 # usb keyboard! 04.43.24 # oh yeah 04.43.31 # now that's an idea ;) 04.43.51 # i think we'll easily hit that 200k limit soon ;) 04.43.54 # yeah it'd be nice if we could use the usb port, but it's wired straight to a usb-ide controller that's designed to work standalone, apparently 04.44.00 # doh 04.44.10 # there's your hardware mod right there. 04.44.31 # all we can do is detect if its plugged in, enable the controller, and get out of its way 04.44.36 # i'd stick a fork into my archos if i could plug a network into it one day 04.44.48 # yeah 04.45.04 # what you really want is a network mod and a port of some popular p2p program 04.45.18 # heh 04.45.41 # yeah have the first mp3 player that can download mp3's for itself 04.45.59 # and plugging one archos into another archos directly would be useful 04.46.02 # i wonder if it would be possible to raid several archoses using software raid 04.46.09 # hehe 04.46.19 # archos RAID.. interesting idea 04.46.21 # probably would actually 04.47.07 # honestly i'm sure there's some tricks and hacks that the developers haven't found/thought of yet 04.47.36 # yeah. i love these little expandable gadgets.. brings me back to the days of C64s 04.47.53 # punch cards... tin cans.. that kinda thing. 04.50.08 # heh 04.50.43 # i was too young to do much on the c64 04.50.51 # except learn to type when i was 3 :p 04.51.05 # other than drool on it? 04.51.20 # how many words a minute 04.51.40 # i can do 102.. but only with steroids 04.51.44 # heh 04.52.13 # i dunno 04.52.31 # if you can count them yourself then it's probably below 20 04.52.36 # i was just making the same symbols my parents made when they loaded programs, plus the ones printed on the disk, and made it load a game :p 04.52.58 # load a game.. woo ;) 04.53.47 # i used to live in the UK.. we had ZX80s.. little machine with 1K of RAM.. on a RAM-Pack, if you lightly touch the pack then it restarted the machine 04.54.09 # heh 04.54.13 # i spent most of my time killing flies, to stop them landing on it at an inconvenient time 04.54.24 # haha 05.01.32 # hey gimme some nicks of some of the coders so i remember next time 05.06.11 # bagder 05.06.13 # linus 05.06.15 # edx 05.06.16 # me 05.06.43 # me as in me or me as in you 05.07.13 # was it a constant literal or a reference ;) 05.10.25 # zagor too 05.10.33 # hmm... 05.10.36 # --enable-voodoo Use Voodoo Fried Chicken spell to compile Gtk-- (use this only when everything else fails) 05.10.39 # --enable-extra-crispy Roast the chicken extra-crispy (see voodoo option) 05.10.42 # --enable-vegetarian The chicken will be a Tofu chicken (see voodoo option) 05.10.58 # reference 05.11.03 # * adi|home <= him 05.11.11 # gottit 05.11.20 # psyco, are u ok 05.11.29 # heh 05.11.39 # those are ./configure options to gtkmm 05.16.49 # i guess i might as well go ahead and install alsa 05.16.58 # mmm salsa 05.17.05 # heh 05.18.07 # i just d/l gnush.. it's a bugger to set up if you ask me. 05.18.29 # yeah? i never tried it 05.19.02 # well i wanted to build rockbox, ya know. thought i'd follow the instructions 05.19.02 # last time i tried cygwin it was on win98 and it just couldn't run *NIX software very well 05.19.26 # so i just stick with the real thing :p 05.19.39 # the real thing is XP right. ;) 05.19.50 # heh 05.19.52 # nah i use linux 05.20.14 # ah... yeah i heard someone uses that... i guess it was you 05.20.24 # pfft 05.20.32 # i think several people in here do 05.20.40 # i'm pretty sure the main developers do 05.20.41 # * jmw backs up 05.20.42 # i do 05.20.50 # i am 05.20.57 # hey it's an open source project 05.20.59 # yeah they do. i was just trying to make my life easier and getting rockbox compiling in VC7 05.21.00 # what do you expect? 05.21.10 # not that i'm a developer but never mind 05.21.16 # people who actualy pay for their compilers? :p 05.21.31 # pay? get a grip 05.22.12 # there's free free and there's "plain copied from the CD from work" free 05.22.12 # heh 05.39.32 # damn 05.40.11 # what 05.40.29 # alsa and houdini have 2 bins of the same name :p 05.40.50 # shame 05.47.47 # oh well, time to do something else. laters 05.50.02 Quit jmw ("if only i knew what") 06.34.22 Join Synthe` [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 06.34.25 Quit Synthe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.43.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.09.41 Join Bonkers [0] (bonker@h00a024178ffc.ne.client2.attbi.com) 07.10.27 # anyone know about how hard it would be to hack the original recorder firmware to record the digital in stream rigth to the hard disk instaed of encoding to MP3 first? 07.10.46 # or should that be relatively easy by patching the rockbox firmware? 07.12.34 # basically you can't do that 07.13.09 # but if somebody were to program the mp3 encoder/decoder DSP for PCM, then you could record PCM subject to the bandwidth limitations 07.13.19 # hrm 07.13.30 # so the line in and digital in are wired right to the hardware encoder? 07.13.44 # i think so 07.14.01 # what bandwith limitations are you thinking of? hard drive speed? 07.14.13 # or the bus that the processor reads from the mp3 encoder? 07.15.10 # because the only other idea I had was just making a device to connect to the USB and writing the digital stream to the hard disk, that seems much tougher thogh 07.16.07 # heh 07.16.20 # yeah you'd need a usb master of some sort for that 07.16.40 # and i mean the bus 07.17.05 # on players i think it's like 1Mbit, i think its more on recorders but i don't remember for sure or how much 07.17.20 # hrm, well would you think they have more than one bus? 07.17.34 # because if not then it would be the same bus for the USB transfers which goes well over 1Mbit 07.18.12 # but 44.1Khz audio should only be 44.1kb/s, or am I not multiplying by something? 07.19.15 # 44.1khz audio is 44100 samples/sec*16 bits/sample*2 channels 07.20.07 # so that should be 172Kb/s 07.20.12 # if I did that correctly 07.20.25 # but I didn't 07.20.29 # that's 172KB/s 07.20.43 # yeah 07.21.01 # and 1Mbit is what 128KB? 07.25.22 # there's probably some docs on the website that says somewhere about these things, but i dunno 07.25.29 # but the biggest problem is programming the DSP 07.25.47 # none of us have the tools or knowledge to do it, afaik 07.26.18 # hrm, well I'm browsing the datasheet right now 07.26.43 # you have enough code written to enable the decoder, right? 07.27.01 # oh rockbox works right now as an mp3 player 07.27.38 # i've been using it on my player for a while now 07.27.59 # ok, so we can talk to the chip 07.28.17 # and I see a bit that says: audio data loop-through without encoding 07.28.20 # that looks slightly promising 07.28.56 # well there's a lot of little things the various hardware components support that just aren't hooked into anything 07.29.03 # so don't get too excited about anything you see in the data sheets heh 07.29.35 # heh 07.29.46 # well I could always wire it myself ;) 07.30.22 # hehe 07.31.24 # that bit is mixed in with stuff like which input to use 07.31.28 # so I assume that has to be accessable 07.35.30 # what's the current status of the record code? is it completly not written? 07.40.50 # yeah there's no file writing code yet 07.41.16 # and the rest of the aspects of recording i dunno if there's anything started yet besides whats there for playback 07.43.48 # hrm, maybe I could try my hand at hacking up some of this stuff 07.44.45 # what's known about the hard drive interface? 07.46.18 # i dunno heh 07.46.38 # time to go code spulunking 07.57.51 # thanx for your help 07.57.52 Quit Bonkers ("I'm out.") 08.37.15 Nick Synthe` is now known as Synthe (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 08.43.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.43.18 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 08.44.01 # hey zagor 08.44.05 # hi 08.55.33 # * Zagor has a hangover 08.58.03 # hehehe sorry 09.08.54 # Zagor, you see the email about lcd.[ch] and wps.c? 09.08.58 # im fixing them now 09.09.11 # good 09.09.49 # settings.h too, probably 09.13.03 # k 09.13.21 # any other files that you know of/have seen while im at it? 09.14.05 # and who is this jheiner? 09.14.31 # Justin Heiner. We need to update the nick list. 09.14.42 # Alex has a good point about his loadable fonts issue... 09.14.47 # we have had him on hold a while 09.15.25 # yes. I'll be merging his work today or tomorrow 09.15.30 # nods 09.18.25 # settings.c looks fine 09.18.44 # oops.. .h 09.18.45 # fixing 09.19.57 # * adi|home wonders if its possible to check for CRLF on commits.. and running tr if needed. 09.22.03 # probably 09.23.17 # the website getting updated, and the emails getting sent out, how does that get managed? 09.24.18 # CVSROOT/loginfo handles that 09.24.30 Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|breakfast (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 09.35.28 # when you get back.. can you tell me how i can get at the 'getbugs.pl'? 09.35.32 # i can't find it in cvs 09.42.58 # added 09.43.55 # ty 09.44.04 # one more ? 09.44.13 # is there any way for me to co all thats in CVSROOT? 09.44.25 # yup, just "cvs co CVSROOT" 09.44.28 # i keep trying the same way i pulled down all of firmware, but its no go.. 09.44.30 # k 09.44.42 Nick Zagor|breakfast is now known as Zagor|cleaning (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 09.45.02 # grrrrr.. i get no cvsroot specified! 09.45.47 # cvs -d:ext:adiamas@cvs.rockbox.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/rockbox co CVSROOT 09.46.13 # aha.. i see what i was doing wrong 09.46.19 # i figured /cvsroot 09.46.21 # ty 09.46.27 # * adi|home misses sccs 09.46.28 # :) 09.57.59 # I made a change to getbugs.pl 09.58.08 # dunno if you need to move it anywhere to have it update or not 10.07.54 Nick Zagor|cleaning is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 10.08.03 # what was the change? i don't see any difference 10.09.05 # in the cvs commits 10.09.11 # you didn't close a td properly 10.09.15 # you had 10.09.17 # ah 10.09.20 # i fixed: ? 10.09.29 # it was throwing off the cols. 10.09.54 # also.. any idea why my name in the commits isn't lineing up with everyone else? 10.09.59 # seems im off by a space 10.10.03 # * adi|home is just being picky 10.10.46 # off by a pixel, more like it on my screen 10.11.05 # Moz-1.0.0 here 10.12.42 # hmm odd.. 10.12.47 # seems a full char on mine.. 10.12.50 # netscape 4.x 10.12.54 Quit PsycoXul ("linux is turning into windows") 10.13.46 # http://phobos.ramapo.edu/~rhak/misc/text.png 10.15.25 Join PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-42-42.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 10.17.47 Join RipnetUK [0] (~george@ripnet.fsnet.co.uk) 10.19.16 # strange 10.20.30 # a rendering bug, I'd say 10.20.33 # * adi|home nods 10.20.42 # * adi|home shrugs 10.20.45 # notghing to major 10.21.12 # if i send you a new copy of debug.c could you compile it for me and send me a copy of the recorder firmware? 10.21.16 # * adi|home don't have a crosscompiler 10.21.36 # sure 10.22.32 # JESUS friggin christ! 10.22.38 # wtf is wrong with my recorder 10.22.45 # * adi|home tosses his recorder out the window 10.24.51 Join Lear [0] (~chatzilla@h106n1fls35o1002.telia.com) 10.25.15 # zagor you want email or dcc? 10.25.53 # try dcc first. i'm not sure it works through my router 10.25.58 # k 10.26.31 # offering 10.26.36 # woohoo 10.26.41 # okay.. that goes in the app/ 10.26.54 # basically its to fix the left key thing where it can be fixed 10.27.03 # and a small hack on another style issue 10.27.06 # hum, I wonder where on my disk that wound up... :-) 10.27.13 # lol 10.27.21 # ah, found it 10.27.28 # was gonna say 10.27.31 # should be under the irc client 10.27.54 # do we still ahve docs on the web for the solder point fix for the archos? 10.28.07 # it doesn't compile 10.28.15 # /home/bjst/src/rockbox/recorder/debug_menu.o(.text+0x2ac): undefined reference to `GET_BATTERY_VOLTAGE' 10.28.27 # debug_menu.c:165: warning: implicit declaration of function `GET_BATTERY_VOLTAGE' 10.28.43 # okay.. one more sec 10.29.27 # try that one 10.30.01 # ok, works 10.30.06 # okay cool... 10.30.17 # either i can commit it or you can.. 10.30.33 # its not a major logic change 10.31.11 # ok, removing the loop 10.31.20 # hmm? 10.31.33 # oh, no. sorry 10.33.32 # i'll commit it 10.34.09 # Anyone done any timings on using a "small" fliptable in mpeg.c (i.e., the byte-based one, rather than the word based big_fliptable)? I made a quick test and couldn't see any obvious difference... 10.34.46 # ty zagor 10.34.56 # Lear: linus has done tests. i presume he saw a difference since he chose the larger one. 10.34.59 # the only one that doens't 'exit; with left arrow is io/ports 10.35.04 # that code seemed to need it 10.35.09 # yup 10.35.24 # zagor: but was that before or after bitswap moved to internal RAM? :) 10.35.37 # Lear: good point. that was before. 10.40.47 Join matp [0] (~matp@pc-80-193-180-13-hw.blueyonder.co.uk) 10.43.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.43.43 # Zagor: And maybe the fliptable would fit in internal RAM too? 10.43.55 # the small one, yes 10.44.02 # there's only 4K of internal ram 10.44.43 # Yes, I did mean fliptable, not big_fliptable. :) 10.44.49 # I certainly wouldn't complain about saving 60K 10.45.09 # Erh, 128 KB... 10.45.23 # ah. 124 i meant :) 10.45.39 # *doh* i'm an idiot 10.45.55 # 128k-256b i mean 8-] 10.49.05 # Where would those other 128 k come from? 10.49.29 # 256 bytes, for the small table. 10.49.46 # never mind 10.50.43 # I have a very hard time understanding why Archos chose to put an USB1.1 chip in their new Multimedia 10.51.33 # so they can sell you a 2.0 chip in 6 months time :) 10.51.36 # Sounds strange, yes. I mean, the 20 G Recorder uses USB 2.0, doesn't it? 10.51.47 # nod 10.58.55 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 10.59.21 Join MeRWiN [0] (merwin@bespin.org) 10.59.28 # I've gotta find a better editor 10.59.29 # hey linus 10.59.34 # Those CR/LF problems are mine, huh? 10.59.36 # MeRWiN: emacs for life 10.59.49 # MeRWiN: you're justin? 10.59.59 # Zagor : i'm using windows, so I would prefer to find a windows client that writes unix 10.59.59 # * Zagor looks sheepish 11.00.03 # Zagor: yup 11.00.04 # i'm justin 11.00.12 # ntemacs rocks 11.00.15 # seriously 11.00.25 # i use emacs wherever i go 11.00.26 # I'm really a pico/nano fan 11.00.31 # Zagor : why sheepish?\ 11.00.55 # since I'm having a hard time connecting the IRC nicks to sourceforge usernames 11.01.02 # i need to write a reference 11.01.12 # zag: there is a reference... needs to be updated though 11.01.15 # or, rather, just update the irc nick reference 11.01.16 # it's on the webpage the irc link 11.01.18 # yup 11.01.21 # Zagor: have you approved me on the announce list yet? 11.01.39 # I still don't know most people's nicks/real names 11.01.44 # LinusN: huh? haven't seen an approve mail 11.01.51 # LinusN: i'll add you manually 11.01.52 # linus is the easy one :) 11.02.09 # Sorry about that CRLF. heh. 11.02.14 # Bagder saw my sibscribe mail in the log 11.02.30 # i also received a "waiting for approval" mail 11.02.47 # odd. *looking* 11.03.27 # i was subscribing with a different From: address, that might be why i wasn't automatically approved 11.03.43 # but you should have received a notice about that 11.03.47 # OK, bedtime for me... night all 11.03.52 # nigh MeRWiN 11.03.55 # night 11.04.26 Quit MeRWiN ("[BX] MeRWiN has no reason... just kidding :)") 11.08.39 # time to battle the Player distortion again... :-( 11.09.09 Quit PsycoXul ("wheeeeee") 11.11.47 Join PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-40-211.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 11.13.53 # Zagor: can i also administrate the mailing lists? 11.14.19 # that's done manually, so yes 11.14.29 # or, you mean the approvals? 11.14.31 # file access rights? 11.17.05 # Anyone done any timings on using a "small" fliptable in mpeg.c (i.e., the byte-based one, rather than the word based big_fliptable)? I made a quick test and couldn't see any obvious difference... 11.18.11 # Lear: how did you measure? 11.19.11 # or was it Zagor, i can't see (mirc screwed up the display) 11.19.17 # it was lear 11.19.48 # he said it didn't make much difference, and that maybe the move to iram means we can go back to the 256-byte table with no loss of speed 11.19.50 # Linus: Didn't really. Just compile with big and small table and looked if I could see any difference (in load time) when starting a new track... 11.19.51 Quit PsycoXul ("rmmod -f please?") 11.21.51 # Lear: it's not all that visible on load times, but it has an impact on the watermark margin 11.22.12 # the LED shows only the ATA read, not the bitswap 11.23.04 # * Zagor takes a deep breath and dives into Alex' font patch 11.25.08 Join PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-41-163.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 11.26.28 # Lear: The word-bitswap was crucial when the bitswap code was in DRAM 11.29.44 # it might be interesting to do another test, with both the bitswap code and the 256-table in iram? 11.31.22 Join WetFlax [0] (~wettoad@flax.mbi-berlin.de) 11.31.51 # LinusN: He, it was a VERY quick test I made... :) 11.32.19 # LinusN: Listened a bit more now. Frequent (and fairly long) dropouts. 11.35.03 # Zagor: still, the 256 byte swap will take approx. twice the time 11.35.39 # ok 11.36.03 # sweet 11.36.14 # i busted mine last night by putting the wrong version on it 11.36.22 # and the og archos mod wouldn't work either 11.36.31 # and today i got the good one and all is well 11.36.36 # awesome guys 11.36.58 # i'm just thinking, if we save 128K maybe with changed watermark we'll still have longer "down time" 11.37.19 # WetFlax: nice 11.38.26 # gott go now 11.38.29 # bye 11.38.29 # bye 11.38.36 Part LinusN 11.48.22 Quit Lear (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11.48.22 NSplit gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 11.48.22 Quit RipnetUK (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11.48.22 Quit webmind (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11.48.22 Quit matp|work (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11.48.22 Quit ironi__ (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11.48.22 Quit adi|home (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11.48.37 NHeal gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 11.48.37 NJoin Lear [0] (~chatzilla@h106n1fls35o1002.telia.com) 11.48.37 NJoin RipnetUK [0] (~george@ripnet.fsnet.co.uk) 11.48.37 NJoin ironi__ [0] (~ironi@80.88.116.93) 11.48.37 NJoin adi|home [0] (~adiamas@as5300-10.216-194-24-54.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 11.48.37 NJoin matp|work [0] (~mpritch@gateway.riversoft.com) 11.48.37 NJoin webmind [0] (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) 12.01.14 Quit WetFlax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.17.53 Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|away (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 12.35.44 Join WetFlax [0] (~wettoad@194.95.10.99) 12.39.30 # anyone know anything about the menu code? 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:p 14.20.47 # player users will really appreciate being able to tailor their WPS... 14.20.57 # I'm doing it for me and my recorder :) 14.21.15 # How many lines does the player have? 14.21.18 # 2 14.21.31 # And the info is scrolled? 14.21.45 # yeah 14.22.26 # all one 1 line, or 2 ? well, it would be fairly easy to define which tags get scrolled, and which don't 14.23.04 # it's 2 11char lines 14.23.12 # and yeah it would be cool if sections could scroll 14.23.52 # like to have on one line a time-elapsed display that stays one place and to have the track name or something scrolling next to it on the same line 14.23.58 # heh 14.24.13 # but i dunno if there's any code for that kinda scrolling 14.24.17 # yet 14.24.26 # I just meant which tags were added to the line which gets scrolled 14.24.53 # But yours sounds like a nice feature 14.31.16 Quit Lear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.32.34 Nick Lear_ is now known as Lear (~chatzilla@h106n1fls35o1002.telia.com) 14.32.46 Quit WetFlax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.38.02 Quit Lear (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14.38.02 NSplit gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 14.38.02 Quit webmind (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14.38.02 Quit matp|work (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14.38.02 Quit ironi__ (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14.38.02 Quit RipnetUK (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14.38.02 Quit adi|home (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14.38.02 Quit matp (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14.38.02 Quit dwihno (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14.38.02 Quit PsycoXul (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14.38.02 Quit motiv01_ (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14.38.02 Quit TummGBG (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14.38.03 Quit mbr|gone (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14.38.03 Quit datazone (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14.38.03 Quit Synthe (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14.38.03 Quit fragglet (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14.38.34 NHeal gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 14.38.34 NJoin TummGBG [0] (coyote@mysko.net) 14.38.34 NJoin mbr|gone [0] (~tiw4mabr@rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de) 14.38.34 NJoin datazone [0] ([0x72LyCYj@207.136.36.203) 14.38.34 NJoin motiv01_ [0] (~trillian@sdn-ar-001ncraleP259.dialsprint.net) 14.38.34 NJoin PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-41-163.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 14.38.34 Join Synthe [0] (Synthe@216.190.43.251) 14.38.34 NJoin matp [0] (~matp@pc-80-193-180-13-hw.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.38.34 NJoin dwihno [0] (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 14.41.27 NJoin RipnetUK [0] (~george@ripnet.fsnet.co.uk) 14.41.27 NJoin ironi__ [0] (~ironi@80.88.116.93) 14.41.27 NJoin adi|home [0] (~adiamas@as5300-10.216-194-24-54.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 14.41.27 NJoin matp|work [0] (~mpritch@gateway.riversoft.com) 14.41.27 NJoin webmind [0] (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) 14.41.27 NJoin Lear [0] (~chatzilla@h106n1fls35o1002.telia.com) 14.43.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.44.52 Quit RipnetUK () 15.16.11 NJoin fragglet [0] (~fraggle@pc1-guil4-0-cust151.gfd.cable.ntl.com) 15.46.48 Quit fragglet (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15.46.48 NSplit gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 15.54.22 NHeal gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 15.54.22 NJoin fragglet [0] (~fraggle@pc1-guil4-0-cust151.gfd.cable.ntl.com) 16.00.57 Quit matp (Remote closed the connection) 16.12.02 Quit fragglet (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 16.12.02 NSplit gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 16.12.23 Join fragglet [0] (~fraggle@62.253.119.151) 16.35.08 Join freshmaker|coffe [0] (~chatzilla@pD9588956.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.43.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.49.47 NHeal (timeout) gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 16.53.24 # Hej, is jheiner here? 16.54.07 Nick freshmaker|coffe is now known as freshmaker (~chatzilla@pD9588956.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.10.36 Quit Synthe ("Connection Lost - Excess Blood") 17.15.03 Join Synthe [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 17.15.19 Join mistaRx [0] (mistaX@t6o75p73.telia.com) 17.38.00 Join lohap [0] (lohap@usr1364-bra.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.38.24 # hi all i was just wondering if i wanted to create icons for the rockbox what format do u want them in 17.48.01 # Zagor|away: Please notify me when you return. 17.53.19 # ill take that as u have to draw them with c or no one knows 17.53.55 # They are stored as binary data 17.53.59 # (no shit) ;) 17.54.02 # LSB first 17.55.31 # Anyone got the scroll muting feature (jheiner's patch) to work as advertised? 17.56.19 # is there anyway that i can like draw them and then get a program to create a binary data file 17.58.40 Quit mistaRx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.00.25 # lohap: hmm... I create all my graphics in a C program which outputs includable code :-) 18.02.08 # well im a graphics designer so i can create the images but i know no c code give we a jpg or gif or bmp and im sorted lol 18.02.29 # :-) 18.03.01 # btw whats the name of that app 18.03.09 # Erhm 18.03.15 # I just make my graphics in a C program 18.03.16 # Like this 18.03.23 # "###### ##", 18.03.27 # "#### ####" 18.03.45 # then I run it and it generates includable .h data with the data in the corresponding format 18.03.57 # So it's not really an application 18.04.08 # Just a hack to make stuff faster :) 18.04.37 # but I would not be surprised if someone already has written such a utility to convert bmp's or such. 18.07.48 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 18.08.51 # LinusN! :D 18.08.52 # *wave* 18.10.14 # Do you know anything about far Zagor has progressed with adding the font loading code? 18.11.04 # I'd like to extend the font charset in the default font and I was thinking if it is bound to be moved to an external font file 18.14.46 # i don't know how far he has come 18.15.04 # what do you want to add in the detault font? 18.15.21 # Extended chars 18.15.25 # such as umlauts etc. 18.15.38 # thus removing a lot of ?'s 18.15.56 # we would like those in the default font regardless of the font loader 18.17.29 # mkay 18.17.31 # how much is missing? 18.17.37 Join RipnetUK [0] (~george@ripnet.fsnet.co.uk) 18.17.39 # the default font has only 128 glyphs, hasn't it? 18.17.44 # Or does it only cover a-z, A-Z, 0-9? 18.17.54 # dwihno: i thought you knew, since you wanted to add new ones :-)( 18.17.58 # Heh 18.18.06 # I know naaaaathing :) 18.18.31 # i don't even know where they cone from 18.18.33 # come 18.19.16 # outer space! :O 18.19.43 # So THAT's what SETI is all about! 18.20.30 # it's the 6x8 font which is used for the dirs, right? 18.21.03 # i think sy, yes 18.21.05 # so 18.21.23 # (gawd, what has happened with my fingers lately?) 18.22.16 # you have been drinking too much coffee, causing incontrollable spasms becuase of the addiction 18.25.46 # just so i can search what is the exact name of the image format 18.26.39 Quit RipnetUK () 18.26.50 # dwihno: What's you current dosis? mine's currently 6-8 caffee latte per day. 18.27.37 # freshmaker: About 2 per week perhaps. I drink a (large) cup of tea every day 18.27.38 # Seems like the propfont is almost full iso5589-15 aka latin-9 18.27.54 # freshmaker: thank you very much - I've spent a lot of time making it neato 18.28.05 # I think it's full 18.28.24 # It still needs some tweaking, but at least, it works(tm) 18.28.32 # and 0x7b - 0x9f ? 18.28.39 Quit lohap () 18.28.44 # iso8859-1 18.29.33 # cute EURO glyph :-) 18.30.11 # I haven't seen it for a while, is it gay? :) 18.30.25 # it's ok for it's size 18.31.37 # gotta go, bye! 18.31.50 Part LinusN 18.36.07 Quit freshmaker ("ChatZilla 0.8.9 [Mozilla rv:1.1b/20020809]") 18.39.50 Join mistaRx [0] (mistaX@t2o75p43.telia.com) 18.43.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.53.38 Quit mistaRx () 18.53.43 Nick Zagor|away is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 18.58.43 # dwihno: back 19.02.19 # lohap: don't worry too much about the format. submit a png if that's easier for you. we can convert it into the right format. 19.02.58 # and about the fonts: The default font is destined for the trash bin. We'll use proportional fonts all'round. 19.03.37 # or, rather, all fonts will be in the same format. of course you'll be able to import a fixed-width font if that turns you on :-) 19.03.52 Join mistaRx [0] (mistaX@t2o75p43.telia.com) 19.03.58 # anybody here?! 19.04.03 # yep 19.04.30 # First of: I love rockbox!!! 19.04.58 # but, the contrast is much "fussier" than the stock firmware on my player6k 19.05.21 Join jmw [0] (jmw@24.228.81.237) 19.05.30 # ok. we have no contrast setting yet, unfortunately. please add a feature request for it so we don't forget 19.05.57 # ok 19.06.11 # hi all. anyone here built rockbox using VC7... when i run the sim it only displays 2 lines in the LCD display 19.06.17 # is there supposed to be a custom charging screen when you plug in the AC adapter on a recorder? 19.06.26 # mine just looks like the stock firmware charging screen 19.06.27 # jwm: you're running the player sim, then 19.07.03 # hold on let me check.. i swear i compiled both 19.07.39 # it comes up with the recorder UI.. just 2 lines in the lcd. is there a #def not working? 19.07.57 # odd. you get the status bar? 19.08.08 # no.. just blank below the 2nd line 19.08.37 # do you get the bitmap boot logo? 19.08.37 # i'm using VS.Net tho.. maybe it was only tried with vc6.. coz that's what the makefile is named as 19.08.48 # lemme check.. it's pretty fast 19.09.43 # no.. just the text.. but the sim LOOKS like the recorder (has recorder 20 at the top) 19.10.05 # where's the lcd type defined? i haven't changed anything at all, just using sh configure 19.10.10 # ah, that's just because it's the only bitmap we have :-) 19.10.29 # I don't much about VC. In X11 and target, we change the Makefile 19.10.30 # oh.. heh. so it might not be the recorder 19.10.44 # doesn't sh configure do all that for you? 19.10.47 # yes 19.10.50 # hmm 19.11.08 # but i don't think the vc build uses that info 19.11.17 # where's the target defined 19.11.45 # everything's in the Makefile 19.12.01 # do you use the makefile in the tools folder? 19.12.04 # or in the uisim one 19.12.24 # neither. we create a makefile by calling ../tools/configure in an empty folder 19.13.10 # oo i see 19.13.46 # hmm the makefile it generates doesn't work with nmake though. pretty silly considering i selected win32 19.13.58 # it doesn't like : VERSION=$(shell date +%y%m%d-%H%M) 19.14.56 # but i just replace that with VERSION=1 and it still don't work :( 19.15.02 # Why isn't the soundquality in rockbox as good as the stock firmware?! 19.15.41 # isn't it? i get better quality. 19.15.44 # what model do you have? 19.15.49 # I can have higher volume and more bass with less distortion on my player6k 19.16.02 # no distortion I mean! 19.16.05 # ok, yes there's an issue with the players. Linus is working on it. 19.16.30 # GREAT!! 19.20.56 # how about remote support?! 19.23.19 # woohoo! it works! just had to add TARGET to the nmake cmd line! 19.23.43 # jmw: nice 19.23.57 # mistaRx: coming soon. we have a patch written for it. 19.24.56 # ok have u tried it, is it reliable!(unlike with the stock firmware) 19.26.42 Join tension [0] (jmw@24.228.81.237) 19.26.42 Quit jmw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.27.09 # gotta go, bye 19.27.24 Quit mistaRx () 19.27.26 # is anyone working on resume functions for the recorder? (stored in rtc) 19.27.42 Nick tension is now known as jmw (jmw@24.228.81.237) 19.28.09 # we can't store resume info in rtc, there's not room for it 19.28.20 # really? hmmm 19.28.30 # not even a series of folder offsets numerically? 19.28.41 # like 1/4/5 19.28.52 # that could work. but it's not a very nice solution, imho 19.29.05 # well it won't work if you plug in the usb and move files around between resumes 19.29.14 # but it's better than not having any resume at all imho 19.29.42 # we'll enable disk writing soon, so that problem will go away 19.29.53 # how is the testing going 19.30.41 # i'm working on the font code atm 19.31.05 # isn't disk writing more important? 19.31.53 # i don't know. they're about equally important, i'd say 19.32.49 # i was thinking of implementing file searching... but i think it would require the index to be built on the desktop first.. i want something like winamp searching 19.33.06 # yes, definitely build the index on the pc 19.33.15 # is anyone else doing anything like that? 19.33.22 # not that I know 19.33.39 # hmmm.. 19.33.45 # write the indexer in a system-independent language, like perl or pure C 19.33.55 # no gui 19.34.02 # yeah i agree. 19.34.50 # could have the index builder on the archos.. but it would take a while to run. 19.35.03 # and would require file writing 19.35.07 # yeah, too much time (and battery) to be useful 19.35.32 # also, the harddisk typically doesn't change much except when you have it connected via usb, so it makes more sense to run it on the pc 19.36.04 # yeah it does.. unless you forget to.. the prob is you won't have any idea whether the index is up to date 19.36.23 # it'll become a matter of not trusting it, and when it can't find what you want, you'll end up looking for it manually 19.36.30 # but i guess it's better than having no search at all 19.36.34 # exactly 19.36.36 Join freshmaker [0] (~chatzilla@pd9588956.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.36.43 # do we have any date/time stamp for when the last connect was? 19.37.28 # no 19.37.36 # could be useful, though 19.37.48 # but it all happens independent of the firmware right 19.37.57 # so we wouldn't be able to do it? 19.38.11 # sure we can. we know when the usb is connected 19.38.26 # unless it's connected at boot, in which case rockbox never starts 19.38.30 # cool. something to add to the info settings page when file writing is done 19.38.40 # yes 19.39.16 # hmmm.. for me i normally do it at boot. oh well. 19.39.51 # Hm.. Just saw that there are NiMH batteries with 2600 mAh (don't know if they're AA though). Anyone tried such batteries? 19.39.54 # i used to do it too, but now I always let rockbox boot first. saves me having to reboot when unplugging. 19.40.01 # Lear: where? 19.40.06 # zago, that's true. 19.40.20 # http://www.clasohlson.se/ 19.41.54 # the 2000+ ones aren't AA size 19.41.59 # zagor.. is the next version gonna have write enabled? and any rough idea of when it'll be out 19.42.24 # hard to say. but I think it will. 19.42.51 # Ah, so the HR thing referred to the size. Sounded a bit too good to be true. :) 19.42.59 # za.. but no idea of an ETA 19.43.24 # no. we aren't that formal. when we've added "enough" new stuff and ironed out most bugs, we release. 19.44.07 # i gotta say so far i'm very impressed with what's in there 19.44.09 # 1.2 took too long 19.44.13 # thanks 19.44.29 # just when i thought my archos had hit a dead end 19.44.54 # Btw, deferred saving of prefs (for the player at least) would be nice, since as it is now, volume changes in the WPS aren't saved unless you go to the menu. 19.45.34 # Lear: ah, right. that could be considered a bug, even 19.45.34 # Another thing: The simulators at the web page seem to require VC runtime V7. I only have V6... 19.46.48 # most of the core team runs linux, so the win32 sim isn't as actively maintained 19.46.59 # edx is the win32 sim guy 19.47.27 # i'll send it. 19.47.53 # lear.. no dcc? 19.48.46 # jmw: nope, using chatzilla. And I can build a simulator myself, so I'll manage. :) Thanks anyway. 19.48.52 # ok 19.49.08 # Just thought I should mention the "problem". 19.49.30 # yeah it's a bit screwed.. the makefiles it generates are vc6 too. 19.51.08 # eh, is it possible not to shut off digital out inbetween songs? 19.51.11 # i just got the sim working.. now trying to use gnush to compile it to my recorder 19.53.29 # it's not easy getting it working on win32 19.53.57 # freshmaker: sounds possible, but I don't know 19.56.43 # zagor: i'm getting undefined reference to memcmp. where's that defined 19.56.59 # are you using gcc 3.1? 19.57.20 # hehe, sounds familiar :) 19.58.05 # dunno.. gnush v0203.. lemme check 19.58.23 # yup, that's gcc3.1 19.58.25 # yeah.. says it's based on gcc 3.1 19.58.30 # so what's the deal 19.58.50 # we don't use memcmp, we use strncmp. but gcc3.1 converts all strncmp into memcmp without telling anyone 19.58.58 # so, basically, right now we can't compile with 3.1 19.59.03 # 3.0.x works 19.59.07 # hmmm 19.59.12 # great ;) 19.59.21 # quite annoying, i'd say 19.59.31 # isn't there a switch for back compat? 19.59.54 # not that I've found 20.00.09 # or maybe i should just downgrade gnush.. any idea which ver of gnush has gcc 3.0.x? 20.00.19 # the previous 20.00.30 # hope it's still avail to d/l 20.00.34 # thanks for that 20.09.35 # adi|home: new FAQ: "how come when i use rockbox my jukebox's red "error" light turns on a lot but none with regular firmware?" 20.09.42 # hiya all, I have a question that is somewhat on-topic. Anyone know of any DOS USB drivers that would allow me to see the Recorder when booting with a DOS floppy? I figure that since there is a linux driver, it may be possible 20.09.44 # been asked twice already 20.09.59 # Synthe: never heard of usb in dos 20.10.12 # doing search on google, there are other removable HD's that have DOS drivers 20.10.19 # but they're device specific 20.10.25 # maybe chipset specific 20.11.10 # searching for "msdos usb driver" turns out nada. i don't think it exists. 20.11.41 # I didn't think so either :( I was hoping I could use this as a HD to save a ghost image of my Win.Net server system to 20.11.58 # so why don't you use our win.net server then? 20.12.31 # found something: http://www.computing.net/dos/wwwboard/forum/11090.html 20.12.45 # I need another local partition or HD to back it up to, and the ghost program only works in DOS mode 20.13.03 # there must be plenty of windows ghost programs? 20.14.02 # not when you're doing a low-level image of an entire partition 20.14.13 # strange 20.14.17 # especially under the tight security of win.net 20.14.46 # well a ghost program would of course run as administrator. 20.14.58 # but windows is and always will be a mystery... 20.16.31 # have you tried DUSE? http://www.pocketec.net/downloads.taf?f=pockey1DosDrivers&_UserReference=7F00000146B44DDFC430C77A90F23D555811 20.17.46 # it might be that the drive it's written for uses a standard chip, so it will then work for the Recorder 20 too. 20.17.54 # it will definitely not work with any other model 20.21.31 # i need a version of sh for windows.. any ideas 20.21.54 # gnush 20.22.00 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/sh-win/ 20.22.25 # gnush right.. i mean, it was there a second ago and after installing 202 it's GONE! 20.22.37 # magic :-) 20.22.43 # unless my memory is failing and it was called something else other than sh.exe 20.23.45 Quit Synthe ("Connection Lost - Excess Blood") 20.26.08 # jmw: just throw in memcmp from newlib (that's where some/most files from firmware/common comes from anyway). 20.26.24 # jmw: And you need to fiddle the linker script a little as well. 20.26.26 # bit late now i downgraded to 202 ;) 20.26.46 # jmw: I build rockbox with GCC 3.1.4. Works fine. 20.26.49 # it's silly needing memcmp when we don't use it. this is a compiler bug if there ever was one. 20.27.09 # pretty serious bug too... dunno how they can assume it would be there when it's used in embedded systems 20.27.22 # Maybe, but I don't argue when it is easy to work around. :) 20.30.06 # I do. I'm the Code Police (dadaaa!) 20.30.32 # i'm not going crazy.. i completely uninstalled it and re-installed 202 of gnush.. and sh still isn't there!! 20.31.22 # i need a version from somewhere else. any ideas anybody 20.35.40 Join Synthe [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 20.37.46 # just installed 203 again and stole it from there. stupid 202. 20.38.34 # Odd... In the UI simulator, I can enter the settings menu in the dir browser, but not in the WPS. Using player keys... 20.39.48 # hmm, strange 20.40.11 # lear.. are you building on NT? 20.40.34 # (thats not related to your quesiton, i'm just asking) 20.41.42 # Win2k to be picky, but yes. 20.43.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.50.09 # how did you build it then... 20.50.20 # did you have to hack all the makefiles so they don't use mkdir for instance? 21.01.01 # how does scramble work. if i run scramble x y -- it doesn't create y. y? 21.01.51 # it should 21.02.08 # hmmm 21.02.18 # i'm not having a good day today ;) 21.04.45 # doh! it might help if i use the right compiler.. gnush isn't gonna produce win32 code is it! 21.07.57 # jmw: using VC++ 6, and a newly created project 21.11.20 # When buying a replacement charger, how picky is the current output. I've read "at least 300 mA", but what is OK as a max? 21.11.55 # oh, around 8000 :-) 21.12.20 # seriously, I wouldn't worry about using too strong a charger, at least not on the rec20 21.12.33 # sorry, i mean all recorders 21.12.34 # well, we're talking studio 20 here though... 21.13.02 # ok. well they can't turn off the charger, so you might want to take that into account 21.13.24 # would something like 1000-1500 mA still be OK? 21.14.07 # i think so, as long as you don't charge for too long 21.14.17 # adi|home: your mail account is over quota 21.15.06 # nimh's can take pretty high amps, but of course that also means they will take damage if you keep burning'em after they're full 21.15.45 # if you're planning over-night unattended charging, you might want to stick with a 300-500 mA unit 21.15.52 Quit jmw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.16.25 Join jmw [0] (jmw@24.228.81.237) 21.16.32 # OK, thanks, now I know what to look for. 21.19.41 Join tension [0] (jmw@ool-18e451ed.dyn.optonline.net) 21.20.38 Quit jmw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.20.46 Nick tension is now known as jmw (jmw@ool-18e451ed.dyn.optonline.net) 21.21.20 # alright i'll try again... 21.21.40 # stupid connection. 21.23.36 # i build everything, but when i run it the recorder just hangs at startup... anybody seen that before? 21.24.43 # on target? 21.24.49 # yeah 21.24.54 # the recorder 21.24.57 # nasty 21.25.05 # ok. but WHY! ;) 21.25.16 # sounds like your build setup is wrong somehow 21.25.43 # those windows machines are tricky :-) 21.32.47 # Windows is cute :-) 21.32.52 # At least, since Windows 2000 21.33.02 # So it only took Microsoft 5 years making windows usable :) 21.36.03 Quit jmw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.38.29 # dwihno: you listen to caramell. who do you think takes anything you say seriously? :-) 21.40.33 Join jmw [0] (jmw@ool-18e451ed.dyn.optonline.net) 21.41.11 # Zagor: You really think I give a flying rat's ass about what other people think? :-) 21.42.10 # stupid connection. 21.42.31 # sorry to repeat.. but anyone any idea about archos hanging at boot after building using gnush 21.44.06 # jmw: can you tell if the ROM firmware can even load the file? 21.44.22 # jwm: how big is it? 21.44.45 # it's 96k 21.44.56 # 96,490 21.45.02 # how do i know if it's even loading it 21.45.13 # it doesn't display the boot screen... just hangs on the initial progress bar 21.45.49 # Don't have a recorder, so I don't know if that progress bar is a part of the ROM firmware or the Rockbox firmware... :) 21.45.59 # it's part of the ROM firmware, i'm sure of that 21.46.19 # i thought it was scramble messing up.. so i descrambled rox, re-scrambled it, put it back on and it worked fine 21.46.28 # so it's something to do with my build. :( 21.46.40 # lear.. do you use gnush 202? 21.47.16 # jmw: no, 3.1.1 which I compiled myself 21.47.26 # oh yeah, you said 21.47.52 # there's nothing different about the recorder right, as far as building goes.. it's just functional right? 21.48.07 # well there are some more files, but that's all 21.48.14 # yeah, that's what i thought. 21.48.23 # are there any smaller test apps i could try on it? 21.48.26 # Zagor: music is just an expression of art. So what if I listen to Caramell. So you listen to Deep Purple? Am I supposed to take you more seriousley compared to if you listened to Peaches? :-) 21.48.31 # what about that lcdv2.. that should work right 21.49.22 # hey 21.49.30 # has anyone thought of adding a hold function to rockbox 21.49.53 # fragglet: it's there already. MENU+STOP or F1+DOWN 21.49.58 # zagor.. how come lcdv2 runs padit, and rockbox doesn't.. doesn't it need to pad it? 21.50.19 # no, our link script handles that 21.50.27 # oh cool 21.50.35 # hmm ok. 21.51.24 # so if i build lcdv2, stick it on the archos it should work right... lemme try it 21.51.36 # f1 and down are you sure 21.51.41 # doesnt seem to work 21.52.34 # it only works in wps 21.52.37 # oh wait nm 21.52.38 # not in the browser 21.52.51 # yeah 21.53.09 # zagor.. lcdv2 just hangs too. grrrr.. can't compile anything for it. wah!! 21.53.42 # heh 21.53.45 # jmw: annoying. not much I can do, i'm afraid 21.53.46 # pressing off still turns it off though 21.53.59 Quit jmw (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 21.53.59 NSplit gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 21.53.59 Quit Lear (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 21.53.59 Quit webmind (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 21.53.59 Quit matp|work (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 21.53.59 Quit ironi__ (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 21.53.59 Quit adi|home (gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 21.54.04 # is that a hardware thing 21.54.08 # fragglet: yes 21.54.20 NHeal gibson.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 21.54.20 NJoin jmw [0] (jmw@ool-18e451ed.dyn.optonline.net) 21.54.20 NJoin Lear [0] (~chatzilla@h106n1fls35o1002.telia.com) 21.54.20 NJoin ironi__ [0] (~ironi@80.88.116.93) 21.54.20 NJoin adi|home [0] (~adiamas@as5300-10.216-194-24-54.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 21.54.20 NJoin matp|work [0] (~mpritch@gateway.riversoft.com) 21.54.20 NJoin webmind [0] (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) 21.54.50 # fragglet: hardware does that, AFAIK. Good in case the firmware crashes. :) 21.56.01 # lear.. what changes did you make with gnush 203 to get it to compile 21.56.31 # jmw: just added memcmp, IIRC. 21.57.24 # where did you get sh from? coz kpit install for 203 doesn't seem to include it 21.57.46 # I ran it under cygwin. 21.57.53 # ah ok. 21.59.51 # and you tested the output on your jukebox right? 22.06.23 # studio, but yes, it worked fine. 22.06.37 # could anyone dcc send me a decompile of their mod file (using sh2d) so i can compare the output? 22.07.32 # archos.map is probably more useful 22.07.35 # i'll send you mine 22.07.44 # thanks zagor 22.09.56 # zagor.. you have a player right? think that map will work on my recorder 20? 22.10.05 # this was a recorder map 22.10.11 # i have both 22.10.18 # oh cool 22.10.49 # the map is a text file showing which code and data is put where in ram 22.10.55 # compare it with yours 22.11.05 # yeah i'm just doing a diff now 22.13.59 # what's the layout of the map file.. what do the first and second hex numbers rep 22.14.15 # coz the first number is always out by 10000 hex... 22.14.35 # aha! you're building the debug version 22.14.45 # it's relocated 10000 hex up 22.14.51 # ohhh.. 22.15.00 # cool thanks for noticing ;) 22.16.41 # format is
btw 22.17.47 # yeah the sizes were often diff too 22.17.56 # i'm rebuilding now 22.23.41 # shouldn't the configure script take out debug if it's targeted at the device? 22.24.26 # no, debug is for the device. it's for using gdb over a serial line 22.24.35 # debug and simulator are not the same 22.25.37 # hmmm.. ok 22.26.05 # how come you don't build the debug ver then 22.28.50 # ok now i'm not on debug.. the map file shows some differences in offset after a call to playlist_clear (about 4 bytes added in mine) 22.28.52 # since you don't have the gdb stub to run it 22.29.11 # dwihno: your font is 8 bytes high, right? 22.30.28 # Zagor: That is correct. 22.30.57 # zagor.. COOL! it worked now! 22.31.25 # thanks for all your help 22.33.22 # Zagor: 8x9, last byte containing w+h 22.33.33 # jmw: goodie 22.33.36 # dwihno: ok 22.39.04 # zagor.. do you know if there's any 'keyboard' like display UI (character input) been done for file renaming or writing 22.40.04 # not that i've heard, no 22.42.08 # ok. i guess i'll do that first, just to play around 22.42.33 # nice 22.43.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.45.58 # Since when is Linux shareware? 22.46.00 # "Linux, a shareware operating system, supports a number of advanced networking features"... 22.46.52 # haha clueless reporters 22.53.58 # does rockbox support inverse video when doing a puts? 22.54.51 # heh 22.54.57 Join mistaRx [0] (mistaX@t4o75p119.telia.com) 22.56.27 # jmw: no, you have to do a lcd_invertrect() afterwards. and only on recorder, of course 22.57.25 # zagor.. what are you doing on fonts exactly 22.59.03 # fixing alex' patch 22.59.09 Quit mistaRx (Client Quit) 23.05.48 # invertrect just displays a black square on the sim.. (or maybe i'm using it wrong) 23.06.32 # could be a bug too. bagder fixed it today, I think. when did you update from cvs? 23.07.29 # ok, this was from yesterday's release 23.07.51 # yeah, it just calls lcd_bitmap with false.. and that just draws black, doesn't invert 23.08.00 # i'll sync to the latest 23.11.42 Join mistaRx [0] (mistaX@t4o75p119.telia.com) 23.14.47 Quit mistaRx (Client Quit) 23.15.36 Join mistaRx [0] (mistaX@t4o75p119.telia.com) 23.22.12 # Zagor you around? 23.22.25 # yup 23.22.34 # whats the answer to the new FAQ question? 23.22.37 # about the error light 23.22.44 # zagor.. you were right, it was fixed today (implemented today?).. works now 23.23.06 # "Rockbox uses the red LED as harddisk activity light, not as an error light. Relax and enjoy the music." 23.23.12 # cool 23.23.26 # jmw: good 23.24.28 # updated 23.24.47 # thanks 23.24.55 # np 23.32.02 # what's the constant for the size of a character in non-prop mode 23.32.34 # lcd_getfontsize() 23.32.43 # cool thx 23.41.37 Join binocularmonk [0] (Bugger@vpooley.fsnet.co.uk) 23.42.43 # hey Zagor, just stumbled across your jukebox firmware today.... well done chaps... 23.43.23 # thanks 23.43.52 # I've given it a go and it runs smart, but how do I turn the thing off? 23.44.02 # sounds a silly question I know 23.44.11 # pull out the AC cable and hold down OFF or STOP 23.44.56 # (ok, it's a DC cable. but you get it :-) 23.46.36 # nice one.. 23.46.38 # submerging it in water has the same effect too 23.47.00 # :d 23.47.04 # :D 23.47.37 # any plans on supporting the remote? 23.47.46 # yes, we have a patch for it 23.48.01 # execllent.. 23.48.02 # it'll go into cvs soon 23.49.12 # have u tested the remote patch?! 23.49.18 # no 23.49.20 # I've been plagued with lockup problems with my JB6000, these have seemed to have disappeared with your firmware, any coincidence... 23.49.30 # ? 23.49.36 # me too!!! 23.49.42 # binocularmonk: sounds excellent! i have no clue why, though :-) 23.49.48 # :) 23.49.55 # other than the lockups being firmware bugs, of course 23.50.00 # we don't have bugs ;-) 23.50.38 # * adi|home points out we have features ;) 23.51.32 # :D... I took off your firmware and replaced 5.07a and it was back to ripping out the batteries a load of times to get the thing to boot.... put rockbox back in and it works.. 23.52.05 # interesting 23.52.12 # which model do you have? 23.52.24 # although I haven't tested it for long tho... 23.52.47 # it has v 5.03 firmware 23.53.03 # JB 6000 23.53.06 # ok 23.53.18 # well, i'm off to bed. see you later, guys! 23.53.26 # c ya... 23.53.27 Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") 23.53.32 # later.. 23.53.45 # I'm off too.... 23.54.00 # c ya.. 23.54.04 Quit binocularmonk () 23.54.56 # later all. 23.54.58 Quit jmw () 23.55.17 # weird... i think my jukebox no longer charges the battery when the adapter is plugged in 23.55.29 # thats why i thought it was broken 23.55.44 # good thing i had a seperate battery charger 23.55.49 # whish model 23.55.55 # 6000 23.56.06 Part motiv01_ 23.56.41 # have u tested if it isn't the AC adapter which is the problem?! 23.56.41 # on the plus side, it made me get up the nerve to open it up.. so i will probably upgrade the hard drive 23.57.06 # well, the adapter works, cause i can use the device as a portable hard drive only before 23.57.30 # if i keep my finger on the power button, it worked as a hard drive 23.57.44 # great! 23.57.48 # i know 23.58.20 # time to try our rockbox for the first time 23.58.23 # I've got the same model! 23.58.49 # you'll be without words!