--- Log for 18.08.102 Server: herbert.openprojects.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 5 days and 11 hours ago 00.02.59 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-34-1-53.mia.bellsouth.net) 00.03.02 # hi 00.03.31 # i just got a archos mp3 jukebox studio 20 and i am interested in yoru firmware 00.03.43 # is the UI easier/hardder to use? and what improvements does it have over stock firmware? 00.11.05 Quit Dar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.15.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.19.24 # try it out, you have nothing to loose 00.20.38 # the two things i like about it so far is that the max volume is around 20% louder, and the file browsing is nicer since you can see what the next object is 00.20.38 Quit Jet8810 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.23.30 Join Dar [0] (~dariopb@12-230-198-102.client.attbi.com) 00.24.14 # Hi, does anyone has info about Archos Multimedia jukebox? 00.25.03 # hi all does the mid-song resume functions ? 00.39.59 Join aakil [0] (~anon@adsl-63-195-51-251.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 00.53.01 Quit Dar () 01.11.26 Quit aakil (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.14.50 Join jmw [0] (jmw@ool-18e42715.dyn.optonline.net) 01.24.16 Join lithermon [0] (gxhb@modem-408.kook.dialup.pol.co.uk) 01.24.36 Quit bmidy () 01.33.59 Join BoD[] [0] (BoD@ca-sqy-3-223.abo.wanadoo.fr) 01.35.31 # helllllllllo ! 01.35.42 # hi 01.36.08 # west side 01.36.25 # west side? 01.36.41 # he said hello, so i was returning the greeting 01.37.01 # how exactly is west side a greeting 01.37.15 # if you dont know, you wont understand 01.37.36 # right. so if you tell me, then i'll know, then i'll be able to understand ;) 01.37.56 # just because you are told, dont mean you will understand 01.38.37 # well usually that isn't a problem for me 01.38.44 # maybe 01.38.58 # no.. definitely usually 01.39.11 # see last statement 01.39.19 # i'd like to understand, too 01.39.26 # dont we all 01.39.32 # but i am not harry krishna 01.39.37 # harry who? 01.40.07 # yeah but you know what they say 01.40.09 # circular argument detected, core dumping 01.40.43 # you dump too easily 01.40.52 # i'm like iostat 01.41.00 # do iostat -t,da 01.41.06 # and it will dump on freebsd 01.41.28 # right. then don't use it 01.42.21 # so is it true that everyone on this irc server uses linux or freebsd? 01.42.34 # if you believe it, then yes 01.42.50 # do you ever give straight answers? 01.42.55 # wait don't answer that 01.42.56 # sometimes 01.43.02 # but not mostly 01.43.03 # :_) 01.44.07 # sooooooooooo what's new with rockbox 01.44.07 # so tell me. what's the purpose of your existence in this channel 01.44.19 # to annoy 01.44.31 # except when i am idle 01.44.36 # resume and save settings in the player 01.44.51 # what does resume to exactly ? 01.44.56 # and searching too if i get it done tomorrow 01.44.58 # to=do 01.45.10 # searching ? 01.45.17 # if you're playing a playlist (like you do) and switch off, when you switch on it'll resume from where it left off 01.45.31 # searching for a file in a playlist or on the whole hard disk.. by keyword 01.46.46 # will it resume from the begining of the song, or from where you were listening in the song 01.47.04 # beginning right now... same as the JB firmware 01.47.11 # ok ! 01.47.15 # but i believe someone's making it do intrasong resume too 01.47.18 # and how do you type keywords ? :) 01.47.29 # cursor driven virtual keyboard 01.47.43 # i'm rather proud of it too ;) 01.47.56 # ok that can be cool ! 01.48.13 # i hope so 01.48.51 # oh you know what I miss from Archos' firmware... it's that you can play a playlist in random mode, then when you go in browse mode, it goes in the directory of the file curently playing 01.49.05 # yeah there's no playlist browsing yet 01.49.15 # but it's coming i'm sure. 01.49.24 # oh ok good :) 01.49.30 # why do you miss that btw.. when would you use it 01.50.13 # well I always use random mode on the whole disk (big playlist)... but sometimes when I listen to a song, I like to listen to the next one in the album 01.50.36 # so I go in browse mode, and i play the next one ... and the nextnext will be random again 01.50.41 # which is good :)) 01.50.57 # ah i see.. you temporarily get out of random mode 01.51.04 # exactly ! 01.51.45 # well i think someone's put in a shuffle toggle for the F2 key that lets you turn shuffle on and off... but i'm not sure if that'll work properly with playlists because they're pre-shuffled 01.51.54 # but maybe. i'll try it later 01.52.41 # browsing playlists will be a bit tricky because they're never fully loaded into memory... that's how we get the 10000 limit (it's 999 on the JB), and it leaves plenty of room for caching the MP3 so the battery lasts longer 01.53.30 # you mean it copies parts of the playlist file in memory ? 01.54.08 # it just opens the file, finds the next item in the playlist, reads just ONE line from it, and closes the file... it never caches the playlist like the original firmware does 01.54.16 # ahhhh ok !!! 01.54.31 # maybe that's why it's slower too ;) 01.54.41 # you think it is? changing tracks you mean? 01.54.46 Join lithermon_ [0] (gxhb@modem-1148.binger.dialup.pol.co.uk) 01.54.47 # yes changing tracks 01.55.12 # yeah that's why... but it'll improve 01.55.45 # ok i hope :) btw another feature that I miss is that while in shuffle mode if I press next then previous, I should go to the same song 01.55.55 # and it does not do that 01.56.14 # really.. even when playing playlists? 01.56.42 # wait i'll check this one right now 01.56.50 # i think it does it for directories... not sure it would for playlists? 01.57.44 # ok you're right it works :) sorry 01.57.56 # cool. 01.58.07 # maybe it was true for an old version .. or maybe I was dreaming :) 01.58.17 # maybe. 01.58.26 # it's come a long way in a short period.. 01.59.41 # :) 01.59.54 # personally i prefer just shuffling the M3U on the PC before I put it on... i can shuffle it a few times and it gets to be acceptably random 02.00.31 # hmmm well this way is good only with the resume feature 02.01.00 # yeah.. i'm looking forward to having resume back 02.01.28 # anyway there are 2 major features that make me use rockbox now => big playlists and the compressor mode 02.01.31 # i like to play the archos like a radio sometimes.. just play everything randomly for a few days 02.01.52 # compressor=auto volume? 02.02.02 # yes :) 02.02.11 # my dream come true 02.02.29 # yeah i definitely like that.. especially when playing in the car, i don't want to have to stop driving and look down to turn the volume up and down all the time 02.02.40 # it's a very neat feature 02.02.52 # don't think any of the other MP3 players out there have that?? 02.03.13 # exactly ! I did not think it would be done now 02.03.35 # there's some very clever people writing rockbox :) 02.03.43 # ahha ha :)) well I know that 02.05.37 # btw do you know if there is a similar project for the multimedia thing from archos ? 02.06.07 # that's a good question... but no i don't 02.06.14 # are you planning on getting one? 02.06.31 # i looked at it and wasn't really bought on the idea 02.08.03 # wellll i believe it's only 10Gb right ? 02.08.14 # is it? i thought it was 20 02.08.24 # i mean it's gotta store video too.. it has to be 20?? 02.08.40 # well I'm not sure 02.08.59 # well if I buy anything it has to be > 20 02.09.15 # i wouldn't mind having somewhere to back up my digital camera pics onto when i'm on vacation... but other than that.. not sure what the point is 02.09.38 # you can always replace the HDD... some people are running archos JB with 60Gb drives now, they replaced it 02.10.56 # yeah I know .. that's why if you have nothing the multimedia can be a good choice ... but if you already have the recorder or player maybe it's not necessary 02.11.12 # true. 02.11.40 # i wonder what they'll offer as the next JB upgrade.. hope they don't change the hardware too much or rockbox may be in trouble ;) 02.12.14 # do you know if they are aware of the existance of rockbox ? 02.12.33 # i'm sure they are.. it'll be interesting to see what they do about it, if anything 02.13.28 # I think they are stupid 02.13.48 # yeah they are... the firmware is so buggy i'd hate to see their code 02.14.01 # and very slow too 02.14.14 # not to mention how bad their support is 02.14.32 # they made the firmware files encrypted for we can't reverse engineer it 02.15.03 # "encrypted"... it's hardly difficult to decrypt.. 02.15.08 Quit lithermon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.15.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.15.28 # but makes you wonder why they bothered 02.15.40 # yes !! why 02.15.53 # they should be glad there is an open source firmware 02.16.03 # they should encourage such developpment 02.16.11 # i doubt they're glad... otherwise why would they try to hide the original firmware.. 02.16.16 # i dont think they know the world outside their office exist 02.16.23 # except for sales of units 02.16.27 # encrypting isn't encouraging it is it ;) 02.16.41 # yes that's strange 02.17.03 # well you gotta remember one favor they gave us... making the firmware replacable 02.17.12 # hardware wise it's a pretty neat unit 02.17.19 # true, but i dont think they were doing it for "us" 02.17.22 # if i was a company that produce hardware, I'd publish every specs for the people to develop stuff for it ... that can only make it sell more 02.17.53 # not always.. it takes it out of your control too 02.18.13 # BoD[]: then i can build a unit like yours without having spent any R&D 02.18.35 # not to mention improve on your mistakes, and sell if for cheaper 02.18.40 # just think back to the IBM PC and how they lost control of that 02.18.52 # and how MS profited from them opening it up 02.19.08 # it's the same thing again.. just a little simpler ;) 02.19.29 # well I'm sure IBM profited too ? 02.19.39 # not from PCs.. not any more 02.19.54 # just mainframes.. and the mainframes that are closed and proprietary 02.20.33 # keeping stuff proprietary is the best way of making money for a company... but it's worse for the users and worse for competition 02.20.52 # hmmm 02.21.14 # i'm sure sometimes it can be good for the company too 02.21.24 # try to find an example 02.21.47 # well look at creative labs and their soundblasters 02.22.01 # look at sun and java, they don't want to standardize the whole thing because then they lose control, and then they can't make any money out of it 02.22.15 # soundblasters aren't open though? except soundfonts perhaps 02.22.19 # they made it open somehow cause there were some soundblaster clones ... but they're still number one 02.22.38 # yeah that's an interesting point 02.23.04 # the thing about CLabs is they are great innovators... constantly improving their products 02.23.10 # the fact that there were clones made it a kind of defacto standard 02.23.36 # i'm not sure if they're actually open though... 02.24.06 # you could say that windows is open, because the API is published.. and there are some windows clones around (mainwin) but that hasn't affected sales of windows has it 02.24.09 # well, a little open ? :)) 02.24.57 Join mistax [0] (mistaX@t6o975p109.telia.com) 02.25.31 # CLabs have a lot of proprietary chips in their sound cards that make them superior, and I think those are closed.... just like windows has a lot of apps that make windows a popular os, and those apps are closed... it's all down to packaging i guess 02.25.51 # oh i don't know :) 02.25.55 # well that's true 02.27.02 # for achos anyway, they sell hardware not software, they should make it easy for us to change the software part in it but ANYWAY we can still do it so screw them :) 02.27.20 # yeah. they should concentrate on the hardware for sure 02.27.42 # it's the only thing they got semi-right (although the HD interference during a record was a STUPID oversight) 02.28.31 # a ahah :) true 02.30.10 # if we could somehow make the hardware of the archos a written standard, then maybe if rockbox was good enough we'd have other companies manufacturing archos clones that can run rockbox... you never know ;) 02.32.00 # hmmm 02.32.05 # that sounds like a good idea 02.32.30 # i believe all the parts in the player are standard right ? no proprietary chip or something 02.32.51 Quit lithermon_ () 02.33.00 # i think so... there are some hardware freaks on the rockbox list who could confirm that 02.33.22 # i want creative labs to produce a clone.. i like their sound technology 02.33.52 # a small one then ;) 02.34.15 # yeah that's true. nomad is a tad bit FAT... 02.34.59 # :)) 02.40.33 Join aakil [0] (~anon@adsl-63-195-51-251.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 02.54.24 Nick BoD[] is now known as BoD[en] (BoD@ca-sqy-3-223.abo.wanadoo.fr) 03.05.58 # anywayyyyy i have to go now ! 03.06.03 # see you, all bye 03.06.07 # cya 03.06.28 Quit BoD[en] ("al lala") 03.12.24 Quit aakil (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.34.45 Join Miran [0] (~dani@62.49.27.43) 03.35.43 Quit mistax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.35.53 # oh well gotta go 03.35.58 Quit jmw ("bye") 03.36.55 # Hey, has anyone noticed their Jukebox having a greater bass with Rockbox, when compared to Archos firmware? 03.43.36 # * Miran waves 03.43.37 # Hello? 03.43.44 # * Miran Shrugs 03.57.23 Quit Synthe ("Connection Lost - Excess Blood") 04.13.44 Join Synthe [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 04.15.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.37.46 Part Miran 04.42.09 Join jmw [0] (jmw@ool-18e42715.dyn.optonline.net) 04.45.10 # who let the developers respond on that survey... i mean what's the point of that ;) 04.49.33 # i'm no developer! 04.49.36 # i just point and groan 04.49.48 # yeah but yer still biased! 04.50.04 # yes, because i've hated the archos firmware from day 1 04.50.09 # point and groan? that's sick 04.50.10 # and rockbox is kicking its ass 04.50.32 # so you're right, i'm biased :p 04.50.44 # btw i just noticed something. are zagor and badger related or is that just coincidence 04.50.55 # heh 04.51.14 # zagor bagder and linus all own a company together or something like that 04.51.33 # yeah but that don't explain why they have the same surname 04.51.37 # it says somewhere on one of the pages or something i think 04.51.38 # unless they're married 04.51.48 # oh yeah i think they're brothers? ... 04.51.55 # ah yeah could be 04.51.58 # that was the other option 04.52.11 # i or maybe just coincidence i dunno really 04.52.28 # heh 04.52.35 # yeah. not your fault. 04.52.44 # you seen zagor today? 04.53.06 # not yet 04.53.10 # oh wait it's late there init. 05.16.36 # i had a thought 05.16.59 # when we get file writing, we could shuffle playlists and save them on disk right 05.17.31 # if we do that then we wouldn't have to load any indices into memory for the playlists, and we would have unlimited playlist size 06.14.27 Quit jmw ("enough ingenuity for one day") 06.15.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.50.02 Quit Synthe ("Connection Lost - Excess Blood") 07.52.09 Join Synthe [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 08.10.53 Join telliott [0] (trilluser@208.251.255.120) 08.15.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.20.27 Part telliott 09.35.50 Quit Synthe ("Connection Lost - Excess Blood") 09.43.16 Join Synthe [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 09.58.15 Quit Lowfiler ("Spermaübertragung unterbrochen (broken pipe)") 10.15.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.13.33 Join Electrocut [0] (Electrocut@rennes-1-a7-62-147-96-170.dial.proxad.net) 11.31.21 Join bmidy [0] (bmidy@AMetz-101-1-2-115.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.31.26 # hi al 11.31.48 # does anyobe get success using the mid-song resume ? 11.50.36 Quit Electrocut () 12.15.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.44.31 Join Electrocut [0] (Electrocut@62.147.96.64) 12.44.31 Quit bmidy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.57.38 Quit Electrocut () 14.15.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.31.17 Join Electrocut [0] (Electrocut@rennes-1-a7-62-147-97-34.dial.proxad.net) 15.05.52 Join ironi [0] (~ironi@194.236.123.155) 15.05.53 Quit Electrocut (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.06.01 # t-shirt competititon 15.06.03 # =) 15.09.08 Join Joshua [0] (~Joshua@adsl-35-9-147.bct.bellsouth.net) 15.11.22 # so the only rule is that the rockbox logo has to be on the tshirt 15.11.25 # unchanged? 15.16.52 Join Miran [0] (~dani@collcott.demon.co.uk) 15.21.10 # hmm 15.21.21 Nick Joshua is now known as Jet8810 (~Joshua@adsl-35-9-147.bct.bellsouth.net) 15.21.42 # any schance rockbox might allow forwarding and rewinding of mp3s in the future versions? 15.21.45 # how about decreasing the font? 15.21.51 # those two things would make it MUCH better 15.22.23 # I think a dynamic loudness control would be useful.. 15.22.46 # so that it doesn't drown out the delicate frequenceys 15.23.03 # fast-forward and rewind are in the works I believe - they work but had some bugs I think 15.23.23 # and what do you mean with decreasing the font? 15.23.25 # that too 15.23.39 # making it smaller 15.23.44 # and I'm not entirely sure what is wanted with dynamic loudness control 15.23.45 # on a screen that small it is far too big 15.23.48 # do you have a player or recorder? 15.23.53 # a player 15.24.00 # well it's impossible on that I think 15.24.16 # if you turn volume above 86 percent or so sound quality decreases tremendously 15.24.24 # hadaka, impossible to decrease the size of the font? 15.24.26 # why? 15.24.43 # because the interface to the screen is with a built-in font - I don't think you can load your own fonts on the player 15.25.04 # on the recorder, rockbox already supports proportional fonts and 8 lines on the screen 15.26.12 # right 15.26.12 # hmm 15.26.25 # you should be able to alter the built in font though...no? 15.26.32 # don't think so 15.26.34 # anyone know how the rockbox recording features are going? 15.26.38 # just reducing it by 50% would be very good 15.26.41 # hmm... 15.26.50 # well them damnit, archos sucks ;) 15.27.02 # recording was working somewhat in one prototype, I think 15.27.15 # Jet8810: should've bought a recorder or studio 20 - better in so many respects 15.27.36 # do you think they can up the recording level to record over 160kbps? 15.27.58 # i got a studio 20! 15.27.58 # lol 15.28.10 # umm 15.28.17 # :) 15.28.17 # then I must be confused 15.28.24 # he hme too 15.28.27 # do you have a two line screen or a bit screen? 15.28.30 # archos jukebox studio 20, 20gbs 15.28.36 # two lines 15.28.40 # well wait 15.28.42 # let me check 15.28.51 # ahh, so the studio doesn't have a big screen either 15.28.52 # that sucks 15.29.21 # glory of the recorder :) 15.29.22 # lol 15.29.24 Quit Jet8810 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.29.46 # Miran: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/ 15.29.54 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-35-9-147.bct.bellsouth.net) 15.29.56 # got it, thanks 15.30.45 # anyway, the player models have so many things not up to par - the screen, no rtc, no charger control, no usb control, etc. 15.31.00 # the charger never stops charging on those models, so it always overcharges the batterie 15.31.17 # I always found mine stopped after I while... 15.31.21 # as if it was on a timer 15.31.31 # alright 15.31.33 # i got the studio 20 15.31.34 # so now 15.31.41 # you should be able to alter the built in font though...no? 15.31.42 # lol 15.32.07 # no I don't think it's possible 15.32.19 # rofl 15.32.20 # why not? 15.32.50 # lemme see this pdf, I'll tell you in a moment 15.32.56 # studio 20s come with the remote control right? cuz mine didnt come with one, and it isnt listed on the box 15.32.56 # lol 15.32.57 # odd 15.34.17 Quit ironi (" ") 15.34.20 # ok there's 8 user defined characters and 80 icons available - but I don't think it's possible to make up a double-line font with that - there would be too many choices 15.34.37 # too many? 15.34.37 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/SSD1801R0_4.pdf <- specifications for the LCD in players 15.34.51 # i would play with each one till i found a good size 15.34.52 Join RdT|Falc [0] (RdT_Falcon@pD9EAA1F0.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.34.55 # there aren't enough custom characters possible in the LCD 15.34.56 # like the size on the recorder is perfect 15.34.58 # sigh 15.35.24 # morning 15.35.51 # morning 15.35.53 # now 15.36.00 # do studio 20s come with remotes? 15.36.09 # the chip just hasn't got enough RAM it seems 15.37.28 # oh well 15.37.34 # with 3,000 mp3s scrolling can be a pain 15.37.38 # even when they are in albums and such 15.37.40 # well i got to go 15.37.43 Quit Jet8810 ("Client Exiting") 15.37.43 # cya 15.38.11 # when are the daily builds typically released? 15.38.30 # recently i found a 60 GB upgrade for the JB and the JBR, didnt know, that there are 60 GB 2.5" HD out with 9.5mm height 15.39.02 # Miran: check the last-modified date on one of the daily builds :) 15.39.09 # your kidding, where? 15.39.19 # ok, so random then :D 15.40.58 # apparently 4 AM 15.41.01 # Last-Modified: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 04:00:04 GMT 15.41.03 # Last-Modified: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 04:00:06 GMT 15.41.10 # Last-Modified: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 04:00:05 GMT 15.41.17 # hummm, thats impressive, they work at night :) 15.41.24 # it's created by a script 15.41.30 # it's just that - a daily build 15.41.33 # nothing fancy 15.42.19 # see the changelog to see when they work :) 15.42.36 # haha 5am 15.42.39 # not much better :) 15.42.41 # "These are automated daily builds of the CVS code. They are not official releases, they are in fact almost guaranteed to not work properly! 15.42.45 # " 15.43.02 # :) 15.43.14 # anyway, I gotta go for now, bbl 15.43.16 # at least better than the official archos 15.43.33 # cya 15.44.30 Quit Miran (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.44.56 Quit RdT|Falc ("When you look into the deep, the deep stares back at you. . .") 15.45.36 Join Miran [0] (~dani@collcott.demon.co.uk) 15.49.03 Join jmw [0] (jmw@ool-18e42715.dyn.optonline.net) 15.49.44 Join mistax [0] (mistaX@212.181.185.27) 15.51.05 Part mistax 15.58.47 Join mistax [0] (mistaX@212.181.185.27) 16.03.05 # * mistax has just found the /me feature 16.04.07 Nick Tumm is now known as Tebe (coyote@mysko.net) 16.04.21 # * Miran waves to Mistax 16.04.51 # * mistax dizzes miran =) 16.05.32 # * Miran prod 16.05.39 # * Miran *prod* 16.05.47 # * mistax changed hs mind and waves to Miran 16.06.12 # very wise :) 16.06.34 # * mistax wonders what prod means 16.06.50 # you wouldn't want to know 16.06.55 # hehe, to prod, to poke 16.07.11 # * mistax gets it 16.07.43 # if we find a bug with the daily build 16.07.48 # who do we complain to :) 16.08.36 # email the list or fill out a bug report 16.08.46 # * mistax thinks you complain to porhaps Zagor,Bagder,LinusN etc. 16.09.22 # humm, the site says not to fill out bug reports 16.09.35 # I guess I'll have to see if someone from the project comes here 16.10.10 # what's the bug that you found btw 16.10.20 # * mistax mistax says: you shouldn't report bug report on daily builds, u talk about them in the irc channel 16.10.55 # its with the resume function, when you resume a song halfway through the timer resets 16.11.06 # yeah that's a known issue 16.11.15 # good good :) 16.11.16 # zagor is going to fix it.. it's on the list 16.12.04 # Is this list seperate from the main one? 16.12.27 # i didn't mean literally on a list... 16.12.41 # but when it was submitted, zagor listed the known issues and that was one of them 16.12.56 # ah I see :) 16.12.58 # Thanks 16.13.01 # do you like the resume function? 16.13.31 # its great, though only on long tracks, such as 20min + 16.13.40 # yeah.. 16.13.52 # I like the way it asks you first 16.13.53 # or audio books 16.14.02 # damned minidisks just jump stright in 16.14.07 # true 16.14.35 # interestingly, for once, I have had to turn DOWN the bass :) 16.14.42 # Rockbox is too overpowering :) 16.15.12 # yeah i like the way it doesn't distort so easily as the old firmware 16.15.19 # you can get some serious bass out of rockbox 16.15.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.15.43 # humm, there is one problem I heard, on exteme bass, it tends to wobble a bit 16.15.45 # w00t?! 16.15.49 # what players u got? 16.16.00 # JBR6 16.16.01 # wobble? 16.16.11 # physically WOBBLE? 16.16.12 # yeah, it doesn't seem to keep the note too well 16.16.14 # heh 16.16.15 # no 16.16.19 # the note 16.16.19 # oh i see 16.16.24 # my player6k distorts a bit more on the rockbox then on archos fm 16.16.29 # fm=fw 16.16.30 # really? 16.16.34 # well the recorder don't 16.16.36 # :p 16.16.39 # fw=firmware 16.16.39 # thats an issue I believe 16.16.40 # =) 16.16.49 # they fixed it once :) then broke it again 16.16.56 # yeah but i thoguht it was fixed it 16.17.02 # hmmm 16.17.36 # ah, another problem with resume :) 16.17.43 # it resumed halfway through another song :) 16.17.57 # yeah that was noted too... it does it sometimes 16.18.06 # were you playing a directory or a playlist? 16.18.10 # dir 16.18.21 # yeah...it only happens with dirs 16.18.27 # typical :) 16.18.45 # pitty when you quit the resumed song, that it doesn't go to the dir which the song was in 16.18.58 # yeah.. also noticed already ;) 16.19.18 # love of god :) why do I bother, hehe 16.19.54 # ah hah, a bug... the boxes screen saver isn't very inspiring :) 16.20.11 # yeah i wondered what the purpose was ;) other than to save the screen i suppose 16.20.25 # heh, thing is, to save it from what??? 16.20.31 # i kept waiting for something interesting to happen... but instead it started hypnotizing me 16.20.50 # I thought it might have several boxes 16.20.58 # and weird configurations 16.21.03 # to save it from..um.. well screen burn i guess, not that i've ever known that type of lcd to burn in 16.21.49 # hehe, I think its somehting to play with 16.21.54 # or something to brake 16.21.57 # *break 16.22.43 # it would be really cool if they could get the recorder to record better then 160kbps... 16.22.57 # that's prolly a hardware restriction 16.23.00 # dunno. 16.23.02 # if only to take the piss outa copyright companys 16.23.24 # the biggest prob with recording is the interference from the HDD 16.23.49 # thats true with the microphone, its a great mic, but its ruined by the HDD 16.24.17 # yeah. 16.24.29 # i took it to a concert... recorded it from my pocket. it didn't come out too great ;) 16.24.48 # my expectations were low though, luckily 16.24.54 # Ooo, I get noise coming up the headphone cord, even when its not playing... 16.25.01 # that known? 16.25.13 # what kinda noise? distortion? 16.25.19 # oh even when it's not playing? 16.25.26 # its a very faint, hissing? something like that, 16.25.29 # one sec, let me check 16.25.38 # hmmm no, noise is supposed to be reduced even further w/rockbox that the original fm 16.25.40 # fw 16.25.50 # sure it's not your headphones 16.26.03 # actually, its only when the HD is active 16.26.23 # maybe its vibrations, rather then anyhting else 16.26.28 # hmmm maybe. 16.26.34 # well that doesn't happen very often right 16.26.50 # i wish we could up the ram in the thing so it can cache more 16.27.07 # reduce hard disk spin 16.27.32 # especially with the price of ram these days... 16.27.45 # yeah, I've been looking aruond for HDD with big buffers :D 16.28.10 # yeah.. 16.28.13 # I want a 60GB 9.5mm with a like a 50meg buffer and is shock proof :) 16.28.14 # found anything? 16.28.19 # not really 16.28.21 # hehe 16.28.23 # doesn't seem to go above 2 16.28.29 # i wonder why.. 16.28.37 # no need to go higher 16.28.42 # ram is so cheap... why couldn't they give it a 64mb buffer 16.29.03 # I don't think theyt can use normal ram 16.29.15 # i guess the problem with caching is you reduce the reliability in case of failure.. i mean data loss 16.29.23 # hehe, try to fit a 168 pin dim in it :) 16.30.10 # even laptop ram is pretty cheap these days 16.30.19 # that would fit in it :) 16.30.23 # but do HDD use laptop ram? 16.30.31 # if so, why not fit it yourself :D 16.30.40 # as long as the firmware supported it 16.30.42 # no they don't.. but still 16.30.51 # i wish they did 16.31.48 # humm, 16.31.52 # all well :) 16.31.57 # the solution 16.32.02 # make it run .ogg 16.32.08 # lower your bitrates :) 16.32.14 # heh 16.32.46 # anyone feel like breaking into the manufactorers and stealing the manual for coding the chip? 16.32.47 # :) 16.32.47 # personally i wish it ran wma, half the size of mp3s 16.32.52 # haha 16.33.02 # wma is no-where as good as ogg 16.33.05 # wma lacks bass 16.33.12 # hmmm 16.33.18 # i never had a problem with it! 16.33.22 # though its not as bad as Mp3Pro 16.33.44 # dont think there's much hope for any other media formats though... it's all decoded on a chip 16.34.05 # yeah thats what I thought, you could emulate it, but not on that 12-20mhz SH1.. 16.34.20 # yeah. 16.34.42 # well, I reconn you could do it, but I don't think its going to happen :( 16.35.01 # i doubt it 16.35.18 # we were talking yesterday about whether it would be easy to construct the archos hardware from scratch.. because nothing is proprietary 16.35.29 # probably could 16.35.31 # if so, maybe someone would do that... and add other decoders too 16.35.31 # another bug 16.35.37 # song stops for no reason :) 16.35.39 # well 16.35.44 # the song continues 16.35.49 # but there is no music 16.35.53 # yeah.. when did that happen? 16.35.55 # i saw that with 1.2 16.35.55 # just now 16.36.05 # can you stop it? 16.36.18 # its working again now 16.36.26 # it went weird at the end of a song 16.36.32 # as soon as it hit the next song 16.36.34 # works again 16.36.40 # though... 16.36.55 # the time was long then the total time :) 16.37.01 # it over ran 16.37.06 # hmm really 16.38.00 # regardless, its better then the Archos FW, unless I need to record something... 16.38.17 # yeah.. 16.38.30 # how many times has that 'stopping in the middle of the song' thing happened to you 16.38.40 # at the moment, just once 16.39.07 # if you replay the same song... does it stop again at the same place? 16.39.14 # nope 16.39.22 # how long was it playing before it did that? 16.39.32 # how many songs did it play 16.39.38 # about 3mins and 38 16.39.44 # of a 3min 40 song :) 16.39.52 # just one song? that's all you played? 16.40.03 # I'm going through an album 16.40.14 # so how many songs from that album played prior to that song 16.40.19 # just want to clarify ;) 16.40.19 # one 16.40.22 # ok 16.40.42 # heh 16.40.46 # strange.. i've only ever seen it 'hang' on a song after it was playing like 20 songs 16.40.51 # never from just one song 16.41.24 # strikes me as running out of buffer 16.41.26 # heh 16.41.36 # yeah it does 16.41.44 # but it should catch that... there's an irq for it 16.42.13 # explain it then :) 16.43.04 # dunno. 16.43.23 Join dfg [0] (~prv@24-168-60-11.nyc.rr.com) 16.43.23 # its done it again 16.43.27 # that c code is a bit hairy it doesn't surprise me there'd be bugs ;) 16.43.54 # track 4 16.44.05 # same track? 16.44.15 # no, track 4, instead of 2 16.44.15 # urff 16.44.19 # eek 16.44.38 # doesn't last very long 16.44.55 # it starts again by itself? 16.45.07 # sounds like buffer underrun 16.45.08 # yeah, it crashs into the next track 16.45.16 # maybe you need to defrag the hard disk 16.45.32 # I'm gonna format it and change the cluster size :) 16.45.39 # reduce HD spin up time 16.45.43 # thing is... 16.45.44 # hmmm 16.45.56 # I'm going to get this thing replaced because of the buttons, 16.46.01 # do you have the original HDD in it? 16.46.03 # yeah 16.46.08 # what's wrong with the buttons? 16.46.15 # anyone ever turned an archos unit in for repairs? 16.46.16 # the one to go right is dead 16.46.18 # you gotta recorder right 16.46.25 # yup 16.46.32 # hmmm 16.46.32 # my only 6k died and I got this 16.46.39 # died? 16.46.44 # HDD errors 16.46.48 # couldn't reformat? 16.46.50 # and major skipping 16.47.02 # I think I need to return this unit 16.47.08 # good thing is... 16.47.08 # hadaka.. what's up with it 16.47.16 # bad power connections 16.47.22 # hmmm 16.47.27 # they don't stock the 6bg recorder, so I'll get a better one :) 16.47.37 # yeah, my Recorders also got charging probs 16.47.40 # :( 16.47.44 # it IS? 16.47.50 # how long have you had it? 16.47.55 # why don't i have these problems ;) 16.48.06 # I don't have charging problems 16.48.10 # erm, nearly a year 16.48.21 # good thing I have a 3 year warrenty :) 16.48.23 # what kinda charging problems 16.48.24 Quit mistax () 16.48.26 # hopefully keep getting upgrades 16.48.35 # it doesn't charge sometimes or stops halfway through 16.48.41 # I have a physical connection problem with the battery power if I bend the unit a bit, I can get contact - and then not - and it's not about the battery springs 16.49.24 # miran.. you should use the deep charging option in rockbox.. so it only charges from empty 16.49.51 # ah, but it doesn't charge sometimes, when the plug is inserted 16.50.00 # does it say its charging? 16.50.04 # I think some of the internals might have overheated or fried or something 16.50.05 # no 16.50.14 # that sounds like a connection problem 16.50.21 # most likely 16.50.39 # so even if you switch it off it doesn't charge? 16.50.42 # anyway, its a great excuse to go down to the shop and get a free upgrade :) 16.50.46 # sometimes it does 16.50.49 # i suppose 16.50.50 # sometimes it doesn't 16.51.25 # what will you upgrade to? 16.51.47 # well, either Recorder 10 or 20, depends what they have in stock :) 16.51.57 # but i thought you have a recorder already 16.51.58 # time for some recon I think 16.52.02 # yeah, 6GB 16.52.06 # oh i see 16.52.08 # the older one.. 16.52.21 # i got a rec 20 16.52.22 # it was a replacement for my 6k 16.54.16 Quit dfg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.57.50 Join PiotR [0] (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) 16.58.26 # its done it again 16.58.41 # track 8 16.58.42 # man you're having a bad rockbox day huh 16.58.44 # near the end again 16.58.48 # just a bit :( 16.58.58 # this is on the daily build? 16.59.00 # maybe you should go back 16.59.25 # but I want the extra features :) 16.59.42 # at the price of not being able to listen to music? ;) 17.00.17 # well... I'm not too pandantic if I want to be, I live with a non-charging, non-button working box after all :) 17.00.34 # heh 17.01.08 # if there is a god, they will upgrade me to a jukebox recorder 20 :) 17.01.17 # and give me a USB 2.0 pci card :) 17.01.32 # where'd you get it 17.01.49 # Dixons 17.01.50 # if you know it 17.01.56 Join dfg [0] (~prv@24-168-60-11.nyc.rr.com) 17.02.18 # ah in jolly old england? 17.02.25 # of course :) 17.02.39 # i'm in NY.. but i'm british.. haven't heard the name dixons for years ;) 17.02.50 # hehe, its a nice feeling isn't it :) 17.02.56 # well. 17.02.57 # bring back the homeland 17.03.34 # heh.. 17.03.52 # dixons always kinda sucked though, too small 17.04.06 # it's often the only choice in small towns in the uk though right 17.04.08 # where do you live? 17.04.14 # Leighton Buzzard 17.04.17 # heh 17.04.22 # about 40 miles north of london 17.04.25 # near Milton Keynes 17.04.26 # ah okay 17.04.29 # yeah 17.04.47 # If your hearing this Dixons of Milton Keynes.... 17.04.51 # I want a new jukebox :) 17.05.07 # and I have a 3 year warrenty and a large pair of lungs :) 17.05.15 # hehe 17.05.26 # they open on sunday? 17.05.49 # not sure, 17.06.03 # but I'm not going to do, feeling far too lazy 17.09.02 Nick Miran is now known as Miran-brb-Shower (~dani@collcott.demon.co.uk) 17.14.48 Join Joshua [0] (~Joshua@adsl-35-9-147.bct.bellsouth.net) 17.15.11 Nick Joshua is now known as Jet8810 (~Joshua@adsl-35-9-147.bct.bellsouth.net) 17.15.18 # how come rockbox doesnt save your settings? 17.15.27 # after you turn it off and back on, all esttings lost! 17.15.32 # the latest build does 17.15.37 # wait for 1.3, it'll have it 17.16.22 # alright 17.16.30 # how much longer till 1.3 is out for download/public beta? 17.16.40 # few days i believe 17.17.14 # great 17.17.19 # what other new features are in 1.3? 17.17.32 # resume 17.18.12 # how about fast forward/rewind? 17.20.10 # yeah that too 17.20.27 # awesome 17.20.58 # i take it your one of the developers? 17.21.37 # i'm writing some stuff for it, not one of the main developers though 17.22.15 # best way to keep up to date is to subscribe to the mailing list 17.23.21 # yea just joined 17.23.23 # thanks 17.24.29 # hmm 17.24.37 # thi sis strange 17.24.50 # hey, what's the serial number on these units? 17.24.51 # what is 17.24.51 # if i put shuffle on, and find a song and hit play it picks a random one...is that the normal operation? 17.24.57 # or where 17.25.07 # because I would think you could pick a song you want 17.25.09 # jet.. yeah right now that's the way it works. a lot of people have complained about it 17.25.14 # then if you hit next it would shuffle 17.25.19 # heh ok, ill add to the complaint :) 17.25.22 # 1.3? or not yet? 17.25.30 # i don't think anyone addressed that yet 17.25.45 # cant be that hard to fix 17.25.56 # rockbox is a lot better then archos 17.25.58 # err 17.26.05 # rockbox is a lot better then archos os but still needs lots of work 17.26.13 # yes of course 17.26.15 # as soon as I got my archos i "installed" it :) 17.26.48 # who should I email with this suggestion? 17.26.55 Nick Miran-brb-Shower is now known as Miran (~dani@collcott.demon.co.uk) 17.28.41 # the mailing list 17.30.46 # Its amazing how fast this project is moving, when compared to say, the emulation scene :) 17.31.45 # theres a lot of incentive... even developers need music ;) 17.32.01 # heh yea 17.32.01 # haha 17.32.09 # especially since archos os SUCKS 17.32.20 # its no soo bad 17.32.24 # no = not 17.33.16 # you would say that after it kept hanging on your songs Miran :) 17.33.32 # well... :) 17.33.46 # the whole unit is what I expect from the french :) 17.33.57 # especially the buttons.. 17.35.13 # humm, was I the only one, who when squishing the bumper and finding the unit turn off, thought it was a feature :) 17.35.43 # hmm doesn't do it for mine 17.36.09 # I thought it was part of the emergency head parking system 17.36.13 # :) 17.36.19 # heh.. 17.36.33 # my laptop does that if you tap the back of it 17.36.41 # die? 17.36.52 # parks the heads switches off automatically 17.36.56 # ah 17.36.58 # just as well, i keep dropping it 17.36.58 # ;) 17.37.00 # useful :) 17.37.19 # so, what part are you coding exactly then jmw? 17.37.36 # searching, keyboard entry 17.37.55 # Oo searching, what do you mean by keyboard entry 17.38.08 # well you gotta type in what you're searching for ;) 17.38.50 # true true, so your replace the *amazing* archos version, with something more... easy 17.39.06 # well i think it's better 17.39.18 # that'll really be for others to decide ;) 17.40.07 # how near is your project to completion? 17.40.08 # at the moment you can search either the entire hard disk (which doesn't help the batteries) or within the loaded playlist (which is much faster and easier on the hard disk) 17.40.57 # i'll submit the recorder version today hopefully, the player version next week... it's up to zagor when it goes in... 17.41.32 Quit Jet8810 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.41.38 # ah okie doke, feel like coding a full picture graphic equaliser when your done? heheheh 17.42.04 # that would be nice wouldn't it 17.42.11 # but then you lose the granularity that you get righ tnow 17.42.15 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-35-9-147.bct.bellsouth.net) 17.43.18 # but you could have both options.. or just display to a certain granularity, but move finer than that or something 17.43.52 # humm, you know the firmware has a limit of 200k 17.44.04 # we're nowhere near that yet ;) 17.44.07 # do you think it would be possible to have more code, say in a different file on the HDD or something? 17.44.14 # that would be nice :) 17.44.25 # yeah we've talked about paging and DLls and such.. there's a lot of issues though 17.45.07 # oh dear... humm, could you use the harddisk as say Virtual memory? 17.45.16 # yeah that's what i meant by paging 17.45.24 # oh, soz, can't read :) 17.45.57 # because if you could get it to play different file types, then the jukebox shouldn't die so quickly :) 17.46.03 Quit Jet8810 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.46.34 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-35-9-147.bct.bellsouth.net) 17.47.14 # yeah.. it's a little more complicated though 17.47.57 # I was under the impression it used a hardware decoder for the mp3's, so, no real chance of changing it 17.48.03 # it can only play mp3, so we'd have to convert it into mp3.. that means having an XXX decoder and an MP3 encoder... i haven't investigated but i don't think we have enough control to do that 17.48.43 # humm, the recorder might be able to 17.48.48 # no real chance.. unless someone can write a super compact and fast encoder/decoder 17.48.51 # with its built in hardware decoder 17.48.58 # encoder even 17.48.59 # encoder 17.49.00 # yeah 17.49.03 # heh 17.49.16 # but i think it's all done in hardware.. i don't think we can get a stream of raw audio and send it to the encoder 17.49.28 # but i'm not that familiar with the recording part yet 17.49.56 # all well, things for the future :) 17.50.07 # dude i hate lilo :) 17.50.08 # hm 17.50.38 Quit Jet8810 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.50.57 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@67.35.9.147) 17.51.17 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EAAAC4.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.51.32 # Just thought of a new feature, a little warning box that tells you when your deafening yourself and your not realising, that and a coffee maker 17.51.42 # heh 17.52.22 # hey, do you think we could add a gameboy feature? 17.52.25 # :) 17.52.35 # well it has tetris and sokoban ;) 17.52.41 # i wanna port doom 17.52.43 # hahah 17.52.46 # hell yeah 17.52.53 # what is sokaban btw? 17.53.04 # you move boxes around to free exits n stuff 17.53.09 # not very thrilling ;) 17.53.10 # sokoban is a puzzle game 17.53.11 # heheh 17.53.11 # can ya get the tetris on studio? 17.53.24 # Ooo, we need ping on it :) 17.53.28 # erm 17.53.29 # Pong even.. 17.53.31 # no.. it doesn't have the right kind of display 17.53.34 Quit edx (Remote closed the connection) 17.53.48 # lol jmw 17.53.54 # studio sucks if you ask me 17.54.08 # heh why? 17.54.15 # the display... 17.54.19 # display is too small! 17.54.23 # i thought the 6000 had the sucky display 17.54.35 # and no pixels! 17.54.35 # wait 17.54.44 # recorder has a bigger screen? 17.54.47 # how much is the 20 gig one? 17.55.04 # the recorder has a full pixel based display which is very nice 17.55.07 # $280 if you're lucky 17.55.12 # i dont get it 17.55.18 # $0 if you under warrenty 17.55.25 # i had bestbuy warrantee 17.55.29 # paid $230 for my old one 17.55.35 # so i upgraded for $70 to the 20 gig archos 17.55.35 # there's so many things better in the recorder 17.55.37 # i saw this one 17.55.42 # i didnt know if there would be another one 17.55.46 # saw this, looked the same 17.55.49 # figured good 17.55.50 # heh 17.56.09 # ugh 17.56.10 # lol 17.56.11 # i got the wrong one 17.56.12 DBUG Enqueued KICK Jet8810 17.56.12 # shit 17.56.32 # they were the same price too according to their site 17.56.34 # wait though 17.56.40 # says recorder isnt available for in store pickup 17.56.44 # so maybe they dont have it in stores? 17.56.49 # they do 17.56.56 # but they keep it elsewhere 17.56.57 # heh - bet 'cha thought "I don't need recording, so I can get a studio."? 17.56.58 # I found 17.57.06 # no 17.57.08 # i just saw 20 gb archos 17.57.12 # didnt think there was any difference 17.57.16 # ah 17.57.20 # didnt even see the other model 17.57.36 # big difference 17.57.38 # sigh 17.57.39 # same price too 17.57.54 # oh well 17.57.57 # not a big deal 17.57.57 # personally I think the recorder looks cooler :) 17.58.03 # nah i like the looks of this one :) 17.58.09 # heh 17.58.16 # the only thing I really lose is lines on the display right? 17.58.46 # compared to the 6k the recorder has better sound quality, same with the S20? 17.58.52 # and recording of course... plus it has RTC ram (not that you'd care) 17.59.54 # heh 18.00.02 # well sound quality on this is awesome 18.00.20 # another bug :) 18.00.37 # lol 18.00.42 # resume function returns to the first song in the dir instead of play the right bit of the right track :) 18.00.50 # rtc ram...? faster? 18.01.12 # not really.. just makes it easier to store the settings for developers 18.01.55 # lol 18.02.00 # alright not a huge deal 18.03.46 # the charging difference is nice as well 18.04.06 # and I'm not sure - does the studio 20 have digital line out/in? 18.04.17 # oh and recorder 20 has USB2.0, studio 20 doesn't 18.04.21 # yea 18.04.23 # it does 18.04.30 # holy shit 18.04.36 # studio 20 is usgb 2.0? 18.04.45 # recorder 20 is USB2.0 18.04.45 # I HAVE A USB 2.0 PCI CARD I JUST BOUGHT 18.04.46 # ROFLMAO 18.04.55 # ouchie :) 18.04.59 # cuz i was planning on getting the usb 2.0 version 18.05.00 # lol 18.05.04 # anybody want the card? 18.05.07 # ill sell it 18.05.14 # brand new sealed in box :) 18.05.27 # get a recorder 20 instead ;) 18.05.33 # well put it this way 18.05.43 # and go back to nbestbuy and screw twith them again? 18.05.43 # no 18.05.43 # I don't have a computer right now to stick that card into 18.06.43 # lol 18.08.38 # puuh, I wonder what I should do with this unit 18.15.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.16.02 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 18.16.54 # If you had full charged a jukebox and it only gives out around 3-4 hours of play, are the batts or unit faulty? 18.17.00 # full = fully 18.17.22 # how did you charge them? 18.17.35 # using Jukebox charger 18.17.42 # standard way 18.17.48 # for how long? 18.17.53 # over night 18.18.08 # sounds like batteries or bad contact somewhere 18.18.24 # humm, okie doke :) 18.18.42 # Oh btw, great job with the firmware 18.18.46 # if that is really you 18.18.50 # yup, that's me 18.18.58 # thanks :) 18.19.16 # the resume has some interesting... features :) 18.19.38 Quit Jet8810 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.19.39 # more than the bugs I listed? 18.19.44 # but I really love the way it asks you wherether you want to resume or not 18.19.48 # ahh, where is the list :) 18.19.55 # the mailing list 18.19.58 # ah I see 18.20.06 # then I will keep quite until I review it :) 18.20.10 # :) 18.20.13 # quiet even 18.21.01 # zagor.. when do you think 1.3 will be out 18.22.34 # the listed issues were: 18.22.36 # perhaps next weeks 18.22.36 # - In some special occations it resumes to the wrong track. Unclear why. 18.22.36 # - On mid-track resume, time starts at 0:00 instead of mid-track. 18.22.36 # - Ffwd/rew does not advance the resume position 18.22.42 # week 18.22.54 # k 18.23.24 # when ffwd/rew and resume works "good enough", 1.3 is released 18.23.36 # (and after we've verified that for a few days :) 18.23.37 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EAAAC4.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.23.43 Quit edx (Client Quit) 18.25.40 Join Joshua [0] (~Joshua@67.35.9.147) 18.25.48 # do the jukebox studio 20 models overcharge? 18.25.53 # or do they stop charging when the battery is full?' 18.25.55 Nick Joshua is now known as Jet8810 (~Joshua@67.35.9.147) 18.26.12 # studios overcharge, as far as we know 18.26.27 # shit 18.26.27 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EAAAC4.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.26.33 # do the 6k's overcharge? 18.26.33 Quit edx (Client Quit) 18.26.38 Join Schmoo2k [0] (~schmoo@fl-edel-u2-c4b-58.pbc.adelphia.net) 18.26.38 # so im toasting my unit? 18.26.51 # so what, I got to unplug it after the right amount of time? 18.26.52 # Miran: yes. only recorder can shut off charging by itself 18.26.57 # WHAT? 18.27.06 # my old 6k used to stop recharging.... 18.27.12 # what happens if i leave it plugged it and it overcharges? 18.27.13 # I thought it was on a timer or something 18.27.16 # yes, you should unplug it when it's ready 18.27.28 # it's not *that* bad, but also not optimal 18.27.49 # well i have left it in peretty much straight fot the past 20 hours 18.27.50 # lol 18.27.54 # Miran: it says "Charging ready" because the batteries are full but it doesn't stop... 18.28.01 # w/e i got the bestbuy warrantee 18.28.10 # ah right, that explains the problenm 18.28.10 # what does it say on studios when its done? 18.28.26 # cuz mine comes up says battery charge...then says battery charging... 18.28.49 # Studios and 6k are the same firmware. I think they say "Battery charged". 18.29.11 Quit Schmoo2k (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.29.27 # i got rockbox firmware :) 18.30.01 # alright well it says battery charging, so ill leave it plugged in 18.30.12 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EAAAC4.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.30.19 Quit edx (Client Quit) 18.30.23 # how bad would the effects be though if I left it plugged in over the time constantly? 18.30.52 # I don't know. Batteries are a black art... 18.30.57 # heh true 18.31.00 Join Electrocut [0] (Electrocut@rennes-1-a7-62-147-96-44.dial.proxad.net) 18.31.11 # cuz i mean i dont want to have to say alright, 6 hours from now unplug it, not a minute off! 18.31.12 # lol 18.31.49 # did you get two sets of batteries with your unit? 18.31.51 # ugh im so pissed, got studio instead of recorder and they were same price... 18.31.52 # no 18.32.10 # not to mentino i got the usb 2.0 pci lol 18.32.12 # zagor.. what's the max size i could allocate on the stack on this thing 18.32.44 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EAAAC4.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.32.48 # jmw: not much, we run very small stacks. use the heap (i.e. a global static) if you want something big. 18.32.50 Quit edx (Client Quit) 18.33.19 # oh and i have another question... you removed heap calls in most places to free 128k right 18.33.31 # all places. we don't even include malloc any more. 18.33.32 # was the 128k just because the heap was inefficient.. or because there was a big overhead 18.33.44 # no the 128k *was* the heap... :-) 18.33.48 # right so as soon as i use the heap, i'm introducing a big overhead? 18.33.59 # no, sorry. i'm mixing the terms. 18.34.16 # you can't use malloc, since we've removed it. 18.34.33 # you even took out the files from cvs? 18.34.38 # if the batteries could overcharge you would think archos would put something in the manual 18.34.47 # myabe they didn't know 18.34.49 # use a global static, it can be any size you want. it will be allocated by the linker compile-time and simply "steal" from the mp3 buffer (which gets everything that's left) 18.34.50 # *mayeb 18.34.52 # *maybe 18.35.03 # haha 18.35.06 # come on, they made it! 18.35.09 # jmw: no the files are still there, we just dont link with them 18.35.37 # zagor.. ok this is for holding search results, and another for the buffer when searching playlists. i don't want them around ALL the time, so not static 18.35.50 # and the stack is too small? 18.36.06 # the stack in most threads is 1k. main thread is 4k I think 18.36.20 # hmmm.. 18.36.25 # lemme calculate it 18.36.25 # how big do you want? 18.36.37 # how big is the MAX_PATH these days 18.36.40 # 260 18.37.10 # well i wanted to display 20 results... guess i can't.. 18.37.26 # it would be a waste to have it static 18.37.41 # maybe 18.38.31 # well some people will never search 18.38.43 # yes 18.38.45 # others with an unstructured hard disk will search often 18.38.55 # use a global for now, we can optimise later 18.39.00 # that's why dynamic memory is useful 18.39.05 # (getting back to that argument :) 18.39.27 # but you're right, we can optimize it later. 18.39.27 # but dynamic memory requires a statically allocated heap, which is even more waste when nobody is using it 18.39.44 # yeah but if everything pulls out of the heap, then it's not such a big deal is it? 18.39.55 # the only thing we'd have to worry about is fragmentation 18.40.16 # and having enough ram. we've been through this already, malloc does not help. 18.40.19 # if the mp3 cache could resize 18.41.22 Join schmoo [0] (~gordon@68.64.90.58) 18.41.56 # i know i know... big playlists meaning smaller cache, runningn a search compromising playlist size... 18.42.25 # jmw: allowing nested playlists might be away around... 18.42.31 # although i really think the advantages outweigh the drawbacks 18.42.45 # shmoo... i'm not moaning about playlist restrictions again ;) 18.43.00 # 10k playlist is plenty for 20Gb 18.43.22 # i just wanna temporarily allocate some ram, but can't coz malloc has been withdrawn 18.44.46 # so you're saying we shouldn't be allow searching while playing a playlist, or? 18.45.33 # no.. but it could shrink the mp3 cache by 10k while it's displaying the results? 18.45.48 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EAAAC4.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.45.55 Quit edx (Client Quit) 18.46.34 # also.. we should impose that stack limit in the simulator... isnt there a linker option for that 18.48.32 # a problem is that SH-7034 and i386 stacks frames are not the same size, so the stack limit can't be set the same 18.48.59 # right, but like i said.. can't you set the stack limit in the linker? 18.50.10 # you put something like /STACK:xxxx in MS's compiler 18.50.13 # linker even 18.51.07 # or maybe i misunderstood what you said 18.52.17 # maybe we can, but that would not catch the bugs. the two architectures use different amount of stacks, by design. 18.52.52 # they have different numbers of registers, different addressing modes etc. 18.53.04 # true enough 18.53.17 # it might catch some of the biggies, like allocating 10k buffers 18.53.33 # true. we could have 2x size in simulators 18.56.07 # how much space do we take up storing the playlist indices... i was wondering if we could just shuffle the playlist on disk in the future and remove that overhead 18.56.23 Quit PiotR ("No tengo remedio, solo nombre y apodo") 18.58.11 # implement swapping and you won't have memory problems 18.59.22 # any ideas how I could make sure that the battery contact is as good as it can be on my archos? 19.10.43 # zagor: another idea.. maybe a workaround to the dynamic allocation problem would be to have a mini-heap IN the mpeg cache, that's temporary and allocated stack-like. it might have to wait to stop playing the section that's required for allocation, but if used carefully that might not be a problem 19.13.00 Quit Electrocut (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.13.31 Quit Miran ("Its not that you do not see, it is mearly that your eyes do not perceive") 19.19.48 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EAAAC4.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.20.10 Quit edx (Client Quit) 19.34.37 Join aakil [0] (~anon@63.195.51.251) 19.51.49 Join PiotR [0] (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) 19.51.57 Join Miran [0] (~dani@collcott.demon.co.uk) 20.01.53 Join Miran-2 [0] (~dani@collcott.demon.co.uk) 20.02.10 # anyone feel like kicking a ghost? 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22.49.45 Quit nsauzede () 22.51.27 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@AMontsouris-108-1-16-167.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.51.41 # hello ! 23.12.25 Join jmw [0] (jmw@ool-18e42715.dyn.optonline.net) 23.24.21 Join bmidy [0] (bmidy@217.128.146.115) 23.24.24 # hi all 23.24.52 # could someone say me if the mid-song resume works on the recorder ? 23.25.26 # it does with the latest build 23.25.56 # I've the both player and recorder and the mid-song resume only works for the player ! and it displays always 00:00 when i do a resume !! it does not update the time correctly 23.26.18 # the time thing is a known issue 23.26.24 # but it should still play 23.26.26 # ok 23.26.29 # it doesn't resume on the recorder? 23.26.47 # i'd be surprised, the guy who wrote it has a recorder 23.26.49 # but ehere is the last build that works i already try all the build available fron the site 23.27.20 # did you build it yourself? 23.27.49 # jmw: and you on which do you test it ? player or recorder 23.28.15 # no i will try to build it myself now 23.39.06 Join aakil [0] (~anon@adsl-63-195-51-251.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 23.40.47 # wtf 23.40.49 # shit 23.40.52 # HD ERROR 23.40.59 # i got to open op my unit to fix this now? 23.42.24 Quit pyvasene ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.2.1") 23.42.24 # i think u could fix it through the usb port under linux , isn t it ? 23.42.44 # heh i dont have linux :) 23.42.51 # ok 23.43.08 # why cant nybody write this driver usb fix for windows? 23.43.27 # how hard can it be? 23.43.41 # no idea 23.43.51 # shit dude 23.43.56 # so ill have to install linux then 23.44.04 # cuz i dont trust myself opening this up, and linux seems easier 23.44.06 # sigh... 23.44.46 # Jet8810: do u try the mid-song resume ? 23.45.57 Join rwood [0] (~rdwrockbo@ca-santaanahub-cuda3-c9b-117.anhmca.adelphia.net) 23.46.16 # huh? 23.46.20 # i didnt do anything to make this happen 23.46.22 # turned it off 23.46.26 # left it charging 23.46.33 # when i came back 2 hours later says HD ERRO 23.46.35 # ERROR 23.46.39 # oh seems strange 23.47.45 # yea 23.47.52 # but i di ve read in the faq that sometimes appears with the archos firmware too ! so it must appears like this 23.48.11 # in archos firmware too? 23.48.12 # shit dude 23.48.30 # yes see it in the faq at the rockbox site 23.48.38 # i spent the past day sending over my 11 gigs of pmp3s via a usb 1.1 connection 23.48.39 # wait 23.48.43 # i have a bestbuy warrantee... 23.48.54 # ill just take it back to them and get a new one 23.49.01 # hjell, maybe i can pull off switching it for a recorder! 23.49.03 # hell 23.49.49 Quit rwood (Client Quit) 23.49.51 Join Miran [0] (~dani@62.49.27.43) 23.50.25 # jet.. if you get hd error, just run chkdsk on it from windows 23.51.25 # if, even after doing a through scan disk, you still get HDD Errors, your jukebox is terminal :( 23.51.36 # connect it to the pc using the usb then run chkdsk even 23.51.48 # miran.. pessimistic git! :) 23.52.56 # its true! 23.53.02 # I did a million on mine 23.53.10 # had to put it down :) 23.53.55 # though mine keeps cutting the ends of songs off 23.54.00 # well, thats my fault 23.54.05 # why is that your fault 23.54.15 # I'm using Daily Rockbox builds.. 23.54.31 # they shouldnt be THAT unstable 23.54.48 # this one is :) it has the music stopping problen 23.54.55 # but the player continues 23.54.56 # hmmm.. 23.55.20 # jmw, NO 23.55.23 # bestbuy shall deal with this 23.55.24 # lol 23.55.27 # hehehehe 23.55.28 # i may be able to pull off getting a recorder 23.55.32 # heeh 23.55.34 # you may not 23.55.39 # your still debating this? 23.55.40 # :) 23.56.03 # so this HD error.. was deliberate? you whacked it or something? 23.56.38 Quit bmidy () 23.57.45 Quit Jet8810 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))