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00.17.53 #       <TotMach3r> holla
00.18.02 #       <TotMach3r> i want sort by date :)
00.18.06 #       <TotMach3r> how long will it take ?
00.18.12 #       <TotMach3r> nerv
00.18.26 #       <Zagor> haha. well it depends how fast you send the patch. :-)
00.18.33 #       <TotMach3r> hehe
00.18.37 #       <TotMach3r> i NEED it
00.18.38 #       <TotMach3r> :)
00.18.44 #       <TotMach3r> imidientrly
00.18.55 #       <Zagor> then you'd better start coding now
00.19.13 #       <TotMach3r> hehe
00.19.22 #       <TotMach3r> how much people are active there ?
00.19.28 #       <TotMach3r> is it C code ?
00.20.11 #       <Zagor> yes, it is C
00.20.33 #       <Zagor> sorting is done in apps/tree.c
00.21.54 #       <dwihno|gone> Zagor: http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/dw-shirt2-white.png
00.22.26 #       <Zagor> hehe
00.22.46 #       <dwihno|gone> bw
00.22.48 #       <dwihno|gone> bz
00.23.23 #       <Zagor> bagder handles tshirt submissions. send the image to him.
00.23.42 #       <Zagor> no, send it to the tshirt address. sorry.
00.24.24 #       <dwihno|gone> I did that
00.24.27 #       <dwihno|gone> Yay! :D
00.24.28 #       <Zagor> ok
00.24.52 #       <dwihno|gone> Does it remind you of any special person?
00.25.19 #       <Zagor> umm, not really?
00.25.28 #       <dwihno|gone> hm
00.25.29 #       <dwihno|gone> mkay
00.25.42 #       <dwihno|gone> Just wait until my next design is done ;)
00.26.20 #       <TotMach3r> there is a call like
00.26.44 #       <TotMach3r> qsort(dircache,filesindir,sizeof(struct entry),compare);
00.26.56 #       <TotMach3r> there is the sorting done, isnt it ?
00.27.01 #       <Zagor> TotMach3r: yes
00.27.18 Nick    TotMach3r is now known as TotMacher (tot@p508D96AC.dip.t-dialin.net)
00.27.29 #       <TotMacher> where is qsort defined ?
00.27.36 #       <Zagor> in C
00.27.45 #       <Zagor> it uses the compare function found in the same file
00.28.17 #       <TotMacher> ahh
00.28.43 #       <TotMacher> and where is defined which keys qsort uses ?
00.28.52 #       <Zagor> in the compare function
00.29.57 #       <TotMacher> whats the last parameter ?
00.30.11 #       <Zagor> to what?
00.30.18 #       <TotMacher> AHH
00.30.20 #       <TotMacher> ok
00.30.31 #       <TotMacher> the last parameter is the sort function, i see
00.30.37 #       <Zagor> yes
00.31.23 #       <TotMacher> it isnt that complicated
00.31.24 #       <TotMacher> i see
00.32.23 #       <TotMacher> but it will consume more memonry
00.32.25 #       <TotMacher> i see
00.32.36 #       <TotMacher> there is no entry for last modified date in entry record
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00.34.28 #       <TotMacher> hehe
00.34.34 #       <adi|dads> zagor you around?
00.34.35 #       <TotMacher> i think i need cvs acces :)
00.34.44 #       <adi|dads> TotMacher why?
00.34.59 #       <TotMacher> ahh
00.35.02 #       <TotMacher> i mean
00.35.11 #       <TotMacher> a cvs checkout
00.35.16 #       <TotMacher> it want to code :)
00.35.18 #       <TotMacher> :))
00.35.28 #       <adi|dads> hehehe
00.35.36 #       <adi|dads> directions for co are on the web ;)
00.35.43 #       <adi|dads> and _everyone_ is free to code :)
00.35.43 #       <Zagor> adi|dads: yup, i'm here
00.35.58 #       <adi|dads> oky.. zag, do you know the current state of Rolo?
00.36.01 #       <TotMacher> where can i get a c compiler ?
00.36.08 #       <adi|dads> as far as i remember it ddn't work on the records no?
00.36.11 #       <Zagor> TotMacher: for windows?
00.36.14 #       <adi|dads> TotMacher what platform
00.36.14 #       <TotMacher> yes
00.36.17 #       <TotMacher> win32
00.36.34 #       <Zagor> adi|dads: rwood has bought a recorder to work on it :-)
00.39.06 #       <Zagor> TotMacher: you will need to change firmware/common/dir.c to add date info to the structs
00.41.06 #       <adi|dads> okay.. so currently, its in developement on the recorder
00.41.12 #       <adi|dads> and works on the player right?
00.41.18 #       <Zagor> yes
00.41.21 #       <adi|dads> okay :)
00.41.28 #       <Zagor> that's the last I heard, anyway. haven't tested myself yet.
00.42.20 #       <adi|dads> on the player,is Rolo part of the base code?
00.42.28 #       <adi|dads> or is it a patch that needs to be applied?
00.42.28 #       <Zagor> no
00.43.16 #       <Zagor> his patch wasn't optimal, since it used dynamic relocation. we'll be using static relocation, just like the IRAM code
00.43.30 #       <adi|dads> nods
00.43.36 #       <TotMacher> örgs
00.44.04 #       <TotMacher> i think i will wait for the patch :)
00.44.10 #       <Zagor> hehe
00.45.12 #       <TotMacher> just programming in java :)
00.45.33 #       <TotMacher> lets program a VM for jukebox
00.45.37 #       <TotMacher> then ill code :)
00.51.00 #       <adi|dads> zagor.. can you commit this Faq for me?
00.51.06 #       <adi|dads> im on a win machine and cant
00.51.10 #       <Zagor> sure
00.52.26 #       <adi|dads> you have to change case i assume on the name...
00.52.27 #       <adi|dads> ty
00.52.42 #       <Zagor> np
00.53.41 #       <adi|dads> okay.. gotta go make dinner :)
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00.55.55 #       <TotMacher> tetris is too hard :)
00.56.03 #       <Zagor> naah
00.56.19 #       <TotMacher> hehe
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06.36.21 #       <dwihno|gone> Whoa. Misa not like sleeping too little
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06.47.33 #       <MeRWiN> hey Adi
06.48.07 #       <MeRWiN> Addy-moss
06.48.17 #       <adi|dads> howdy
06.48.21 #       <adi|dads> close ;)
06.48.30 #       <MeRWiN> mass?
06.48.32 #       <adi|dads> Ah-dee-A-mos
06.48.41 #       <MeRWiN> what does it mean?
06.48.44 #       * adi|dads shrugs
06.48.53 #       <adi|dads> its a bastardization of a song title
06.48.56 #       <MeRWiN> ah
06.48.59 #       <MeRWiN> what title?
06.49.00 #       <adi|dads> Zagor knows the artist.. i forget :)
06.49.11 #       <adi|dads> Adidimas i belive
06.49.14 #       <adi|dads> i don't have the cd here
06.49.17 #       <MeRWiN> heh
06.49.21 #       <MeRWiN> how's the car going?
06.49.25 #       <adi|dads> dunno
06.49.27 #       <adi|dads> the wife has mine
06.49.39 #       <adi|dads> her insurance adjuster 'was not going to be in today'
06.49.43 #       <MeRWiN> damn
06.49.52 #       <MeRWiN> i hate insurance adjusters
06.50.00 #       <adi|dads> so i talked to the body shop, they won't do an estimate until they have an adjuster there to go through it with them.
06.50.05 #       <adi|dads> nods
06.50.19 #       <adi|dads> but its a new car, so hopefully we only have the deductable
06.50.25 #       <adi|dads> cause i don't think the car is totaled
06.50.37 #       <MeRWiN> it'll take a lot to total a new car
06.50.41 #       <adi|dads> nods
06.50.47 #       <adi|dads> but there is frame damage
06.50.53 #       <adi|dads> the front end is repairable
06.51.06 #       <adi|dads> but the passenger door was hard to open, so the frame needs to be pulled.
06.51.07 #       <MeRWiN> frame damage is easily up to $4000 in itself :)
06.51.33 #       <adi|dads> it was either the frame or the quarter panel pushing into it
06.51.36 #       <adi|dads> im not sure which
06.51.50 #       <MeRWiN> either way, it'll probably only be the deductable
06.52.00 #       <adi|dads> but now that i think about it... i could open the back passenger door
06.52.06 #       <adi|dads> so i lean towards 1/4 panel
06.52.28 #       <adi|dads> either way, im trapped at my fathers
06.52.36 #       <MeRWiN> heh
06.52.39 #       * MeRWiN is sorry
06.52.42 #       <adi|dads> and dealing with a gf that is trying to be as kind as she can
06.53.00 #       <adi|dads> id almost rather have her go off on me ;)
06.53.16 #       <adi|dads> so you all settled in Wayne now?
06.53.31 #       <MeRWiN> I'm south of wayne I think...
06.53.42 #       <MeRWiN> totowa, nj
06.53.52 #       <adi|dads> nods
06.53.58 #       <adi|dads> i know where that is :)
06.54.03 #       <MeRWiN> i hate the garden state parkway... frickin' $0.35 every 2 miles :)
06.54.22 #       <adi|dads> lol
06.54.25 #       <adi|dads> you get used to it ;)
06.54.57 #       <MeRWiN> hopefully i won't have to get used to it. heh
06.56.31 #       <adi|dads> hehehe
07.09.17 #       <MeRWiN> adi: how close are you to finishing the icons?
07.10.36 #       <adi|dads> right now.. 2-3 wks :)
07.10.42 #       <adi|dads> so if you want them... hammer away mate
07.10.51 #       <adi|dads> im trapped here for a week min
07.10.53 #       <adi|dads> 2 wks possible
07.11.26 #       <MeRWiN> I have no clue on the progress as of yet
07.11.31 #       <adi|dads> heheh k
07.11.59 #       <MeRWiN> I've put myself in the player UI niche... nobody was working on making it better, so I took on that
07.13.10 #       <adi|dads> heheh sweet
07.15.57 #       <MeRWiN> I think the icons are a very needed feature as well
07.23.21 #       <MeRWiN> time for bed, have to get up at 8am.
07.23.45 #       <MeRWiN> give my regards to the rest of the guys :)
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07.44.09 #       <Bagder> morning
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08.03.40 #       <Bagder> the config options issue sure was a can of worms
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08.20.12 #       <Hes> Heh. Morning.
08.20.21 #       <Bagder> morning hes
08.20.40 #       <Bagder> Hes: do you have the www module checked out?
08.21.10 #       <Bagder> there's a battery faq embryo in there now, hence my q
08.21.29 #       <Hes> I've had it checked out, yes... i'll update it
08.21.38 #       <Bagder> cool, thanks
08.21.46 #       <Bagder> docs/BATTERY
08.22.19 #       <Bagder> it lacks a lot of answers still
08.23.57 #       <Hes> I'll add some.
08.32.08 #       <Hes> Can I use html/links in docs/BATTERY?
08.32.15 #       <Hes> will it be included somewhere in plaintext?
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08.32.35 #       <Bagder> we convert the plain-text into html by a script
08.32.42 #       <Bagder> like the FAQ is made into faq.html
08.32.50 #       <Bagder> so URLs are fine
08.33.05 #       <Hes> but no <a href> stuff?
08.33.10 #       <Bagder> no
08.33.18 #       <Bagder> just plain http://blabla
08.33.40 #       <Bagder> I thought using the FAQ's format was a good idea as then we could use it as plain text too
08.37.35 #       <Hes> Yeah, it is good.
08.38.21 #       <Hes> Will replacing batteries void the warranty? I'd find it most strange if it did, but the stickers inside the battery slot tells me to only use archos batteries.
08.38.48 #       <Bagder> oh, I didn't know that
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08.40.16 #       <bobTHC> g morning all !
08.40.17 #       <Bagder> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archosjukebox6000/message/12011
08.40.39 #       <Bagder> the guy left his Archos on the roof of his car ;-)
08.41.07 #       <Bagder> "about 15 miles at about 70mph"
08.41.18 #       <bobTHC> :)
08.41.27 #       <Hes> Hahahah
08.41.44 #       <bobTHC> It's a archos crash dummy!
08.41.50 #       <Bagder> Take a coke can, fill it about 1/4
08.41.51 #       <Bagder> with sand. Shake it. This is what your harddrive will sound like
08.41.51 #       <Bagder> after the fall. 
08.42.16 #       <Bagder> "p.s. anyone got an archos to sell?"
08.42.18 #       * Bagder chuckles
08.42.38 #       <bobTHC> it's really microdust hd technology !
08.44.42 #       <bobTHC> sorry pixiedust tek !
08.44.51 #       <bobTHC> thanx ibm
08.55.07 #       <Bagder> more shirt designs coming up shortly
08.56.06 #       <bobTHC> good!
08.56.31 #       <bobTHC> what u think about my design?
08.57.26 #       <Bagder> I like it
08.57.38 #       <Bagder> the names on the team might get a bit too small though
08.58.19 #       <bobTHC> yes but my original design is at real tshirt size and it's very clear ..
08.58.46 #       <Bagder> ok, cool
08.59.05 #       <bobTHC> i paste it on the medium t-shirt shape just to view it like the others
08.59.22 #       <Hes> Hey, does anyone of you see NiMH batteries being on sale at www.archos.com ?
08.59.33 #       <Hes> If they tell you to only use archos batteries, you should be able to buy them there.
08.59.40 #       <bobTHC> new? 
09.00.11 #       <bobTHC> somebody have buy the stereo mic from archos ?
09.01.16 #       <Bagder> http://rockbox.haxx.se/tshirt-contest/designs.html
09.02.29 #       <bobTHC> new contest incomers .... it' s a popular contest, pretty cool!
09.04.32 #       <bobTHC> hes: where on the archos site ? UK or US ?
09.05.07 #       <Hes> bobTHC: whatever.
09.05.18 #       <Hes> Do they sell them at all?
09.06.04 #       <bobTHC> no
09.06.32 #       <bobTHC> greenbattery.com
09.06.42 #       <bobTHC> sell good products...
09.07.43 #       <Hes> The point is, doesn't Archos tell you to use Archos-supplied batteries?
09.08.09 #       <Hes> Would using non-Archos batteries, theoretically, void your warranty?
09.08.18 #       <Hes> I would not suppose it would, but...
09.08.33 #       <bobTHC> my recorder come with 2 battery set...
09.08.40 #       <bobTHC> don't u?
09.08.41 #       <Hes> My recorder only came with 1 set.
09.08.52 #       <Hes> And the 2 sets will wear out after some time.
09.09.04 #       <Hes> I already bought and happily use a second set of 1800 mAh cells
09.09.18 #       <Hes> but now I'm trying to answer the question in the battery FAQ
09.09.23 #       <Hes> Q5: Is it hard to change the batteries? Does it void my warranty?
09.10.05 #       <bobTHC> ok...send a mail at archos to know it... 
09.10.34 #       <Hes> Do they actually respond?
09.10.51 #       <bobTHC> with some delay but they respond...
09.12.01 #       <bobTHC> have u test the new 2000 mAh/NiMH Battery ?
09.13.23 #       <Hes> Nope.
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09.13.55 #       <bobTHC> http://www.rueducommerce.fr/numerique/showdetl.cfm?product_id=347954&pl=347954|350159|345768|349691|348703
09.14.02 #       <bobTHC> sorry it's in french...
09.14.25 #       <bobTHC> 25€ for a battery set !
09.14.47 #       <Hes> I bought my 1800 mAh for around 10 euros.
09.15.10 #       <bobTHC> u win some autonomy ?
09.15.15 #       <Hes> ?
09.16.15 #       <bobTHC> u win time between charge ?
09.16.30 #       <Hes> I guess some, but I didn't measure it
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09.16.41 #       <Bagder> hey ho rwood
09.16.57 #       <rwood> the ROLO saga continues
09.17.09 #       <Bagder> any progress?
09.17.42 #       <rwood> i can reload rockbox versions, but hang with 6 dots on the status bar for 1.27d
09.18.21 #       <rwood> i think it has something to do with the disk interface, but it will take some more work
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09.18.34 #       <Bagder> hey Z
09.18.43 #       <Zagor> hi
09.19.43 #       <bobTHC> hi
09.19.49 #       <rwood> i found an error in the user-ram clear routine in debug-menu - uses an offset of 0x18 rather than 0x14
09.20.14 #       <rwood> wraps around and clears first 4 locations
09.21.00 #       <Hes> Ouch !
09.21.12 #       <Hes> clear the clock 8-)
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09.21.37 #       <rwood> only happens if you select the clear option
09.21.46 #       <Hes> Not too bad, but will be fixed
09.23.22 #       <rwood> Zagor: with all the action on the mailing list, have you considered setting up a forum - it seems like it would be easier to follow threads
09.24.44 #       <Zagor> rwood: the archive does threading if your mail reader doesn't. I don't like web-based discussions, mailing lists are much better.
09.24.52 #       <Hes> Mailing lists rock.
09.25.04 #       <rwood> ok - it's your show
09.27.41 #       <Bagder> I wonder if he really did find the rockbox link on the archos site
09.28.02 #       <Zagor> i doubt it. he probably found the linux driver link and went from there
09.28.11 #       <Bagder> sounds more likely, yes
09.28.21 #       <Bagder> but he has a recorder
09.28.29 #       <Bagder> so the linux driver isn't for him
09.28.52 #       <Bagder> oh well, we'll see if he responds and let us know
09.29.13 #       <bobTHC> I wonder some Engineer from Archos Help us for the DSP programing...
09.29.42 #       * bobTHC dream too much!
09.30.08 #       <bobTHC> or perhaps the indian Spammer Team 
09.30.08 #       <Zagor> bobTHC: Micronas has said nobody is allowed to write 3rd party DSP code, so Archos likely doesn't have the info either
09.30.31 #       <bobTHC> And how M3po do it?
09.30.36 #       <Bagder> yeah, our indian friend hasn't responded yet B)
09.33.16 #       <bobTHC> Micronas sell Special purpose DSp code for is Hardware ?
09.33.26 #       <Bagder> most likely, yes
09.34.18 #       <bobTHC> and they sell it to M3po...
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09.36.51 #       <bobTHC> Micronas have a list of his DSP code ?
09.37.31 #       <Bagder> no
09.37.38 #       <Bagder> not that I've found anyway
09.38.22 #       <bobTHC> Micronas is very secret !
09.38.28 #       <Bagder> amen
09.39.00 #       <bobTHC> a lot of secret for some middle age DSP already out of date !
09.39.51 #       <Hes> Whoops, the 1800 mAh cells i bought were 10 euros for 2, not for 4.
09.40.39 #       <bobTHC> thanx for the precision..
09.41.09 #       <bobTHC> a least 3 company release more powerfull and more reliable DSP for compressed audio playback! and micronas play like CIA ! fucking micronas!
09.42.06 #       <Bagder> I honestly don't care *that* much
09.42.32 #       <bobTHC> sorry i'm irritate
09.42.59 #       <bobTHC> I expain u my point of view...
09.43.05 #       <matsl> Bagder?
09.44.15 #       <Bagder> matsl: ???
09.45.02 #       <matsl> Bagder: Just saw that Robert Hak has been working on the icons for the player. Do you know anything about that?
09.45.08 #       <Bagder> yes
09.45.27 #       <matsl> Bagder: Please tell me since I'm working on that too.
09.45.32 #       <Bagder> he's been working on getting the recorder-style icons to the player ;-)
09.45.39 #       <Bagder> hehehe
09.45.54 #       <matsl> Bagder: ??
09.46.01 #       <Bagder> what else is there to say?
09.46.09 #       <Bagder> lcd_define_pattern() and all that
09.46.26 #       <Bagder> I don't know how far he has reached
09.46.41 #       <Bagder> the icons in the dir browser, that is
09.46.47 #       <Bagder> for playlist, dir and file
09.47.15 #       <matsl> OK. I misunderstood. Thought it was the icons for the simulator
09.47.22 #       <Bagder> nope, real-life icons
09.47.28 #       <Bagder> target
09.47.43 #       <matsl> ok. back to the simulator then!
09.47.56 #       <Bagder> :-)
09.48.10 #       <Bagder> I patched your tool yday
09.48.14 #       <bobTHC> the archos use the same dsp as the M3po who his the cheapest Mp3player with "pitch" but the archos is very carriable and have all except that. And to have what the archos have plus "pitch" that cost near 1200€  for a box without HD with Smartmedia !!!! 
09.48.20 #       <matsl> Bagder: I know!
09.48.59 #       <Bagder> bobTHC: so buy one and reverse-engineer the DSP code ;-)
09.49.08 #       * Bagder hides
09.50.21 #       <bobTHC> it's not a bad idea, but i'm sure someone have already "dig" the M3po... so i stop to annouing u with that...
09.51.12 #       <Hes> I committed the BATTERY file now.
09.51.18 #       <Hes> With the following log:
09.51.18 #       <Hes> Initial answers based on what I think is probably right - need to be
09.51.18 #       <Hes> checked and re-checked by others! I don't know what we can recommend
09.51.18 #       <Hes> and what we can not recommend even if we did it ourself.
09.51.51 #       <Hes> ... it's an starting point, please comment, discuss and edit at will.
09.51.58 #       <Bagder> thanks hes
09.52.20 #       <Bagder> Zagor: we made the battery faq in the same format as the ordinary faq as you might've spotted
09.52.27 #       <Zagor> oh good
09.52.39 #       <Bagder> and btw
09.52.49 #       <Bagder> we should put the FAQ in the distribution archives
09.53.00 #       <Hes> Off to work now. At last.
09.53.01 #       <Zagor> yeah, I know
09.53.42 #       <Bagder> Zagor: this could easily be made now by putting both FAQs in the source-tree and just generate the HTML nicely from them as source files
09.54.21 #       <Bagder> hm, we have no docs directory in any source tree ;-)
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10.01.45 #       <Bagder> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/battery.html
10.02.02 #       <Bagder> that's how it looks converted to html
10.04.40 #       <matsl> Bagder: Q about resolution for the simulator?
10.04.51 #       <Bagder> yes?
10.05.42 #       <matsl> Got the impresssion from earlier discussions that I was limited to say 112x7 points for the icons.
10.05.57 #       <Bagder> that was the case back then, yes
10.06.11 #       <Bagder> then I switched to a bigger font
10.06.11 #       <matsl> What's tha case now then?
10.06.36 #       <Bagder> uh...
10.07.00 #       <Bagder> 138x8
10.07.18 #       <Bagder> or 138x7 if to get a line between the icons and the text
10.07.26 #       <Bagder> s/if//
10.07.50 #       <matsl> ok. so lcd_bitmap can now be used in this 138x7 frame
10.08.27 #       <Bagder> lcd_bitmap can be used to bitmap within the whole screen which is 138x54 for the player sim
10.08.42 #       <matsl> right.
10.08.59 #       <Bagder> at least that's the intention
10.09.17 #       <matsl> I'm happy with that at the moment. Just wondering. Why don't we have a higher resolution so that the icons can look good.
10.09.21 #       <Bagder> and since the text appears, we can know it works at least partially
10.09.41 #       <Bagder> because we haven't made it so
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10.10.17 #       <matsl> ok.
10.10.22 #       <Bagder> I wanted it to look a little like the player's screen
10.10.33 #       <Bagder> that's why I didn't want the icons to be very big
10.10.51 #       <matsl> The icons will look like crap but, hey, its a simulator.
10.11.36 #       <Bagder> you're free to change
10.12.27 #       <matsl> As i said. I'm happy with it. I know what to do now and if I just stop talking to you I might even be able to check somthing in today. ;-)
10.12.46 #       * Bagder hides in silence ;-)
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10.20.30 #       <notch> bill kantz said via the list that he got to rockbox via the ARCHOS website?
10.20.39 #       <Bagder> yes
10.20.57 #       <Bagder> I'm curious too
10.21.16 #       <PsycoXul> the only such link i found was the 'Linux Driver' link to bjorn's isd200 driver page...
10.21.24 #       <notch> Had a look but cant find any refs to rockbox....
10.21.49 #       <Bagder> I think he found the isd200 driver and the rockbox from there
10.22.30 #       <notch> ahh, oh well though ARCHOS was admitting how crap thier firmware is :-)
10.22.36 #       <Hes> I followed that link once as well
10.24.09 #       <Hes> Hey, what do you think about the Q10 in http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/battery.html ?
10.25.01 #       <Hes> That's what my little experience in electronics and amateur radio and school of technology tells me, but I really don't have experience on using other chargers with the unit.
10.25.17 #       <Hes> Someone was said to be using a pretty high voltage charger?
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10.25.30 #       <Bagder> me neither, I'm really not very good at these things
10.26.05 #       <Bagder> I think Hadaka is using some higher voltage charger
10.26.56 #       <Bagder> coffee!
10.27.31 #       <Hadaka> yo
10.27.49 #       <Hadaka> I'm using a 12V charger, yes
10.27.51 #       <Hadaka> supplied by Archos
10.28.12 #       <notch> You will find the output V drops as the I increases...
10.28.47 #       <notch> What's the I rating?
10.29.41 #       <Hadaka> mmh, I think it was 1.5A or something, don't have it handy here
10.29.55 #       <Hes> Humm... with the recorder?
10.29.58 #       <Hadaka> yes
10.30.15 #       <Hes> Which charger is this (on the archos web shop)?
10.30.24 #       <Hadaka> the travel charger
10.30.32 #       <notch> Can't be 1.5A... it would be huge!
10.30.44 #       <Hadaka> now let's see
10.31.05 #       <Hadaka> it was more A than the original charger - and it wasn't shown as mA
10.31.17 #       <Hadaka> it was over 1.0A - or it might've been just 1.0A
10.31.24 #       <notch> shizer!
10.31.24 #       <Hes> Can you check that please?
10.31.32 #       <Hes> Does it heat up a lot?
10.32.05 #       <Hadaka> http://www.archos.com/uk/products/product_acadapters.html
10.32.13 #       <Hadaka> I can check it (again) when I get home
10.32.21 #       <Hadaka> it's the Universal Adapter from there
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10.33.08 #       <notch> Doesnt have a current rating on the website:-(
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10.33.19 #       <Hadaka> yeah, that sucks
10.33.25 #       <Low[a]> morning all
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10.33.34 #       <notch> mornin
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10.33.37 #       <Hadaka> anyway >=1.0A, 12V - that much I remember for sure
10.33.37 #       <Bagder> morning Low
10.33.45 #       <Hes> I guess that's the highest spec for a charger that we can recommend, whatever it is
10.34.03 #       <notch> be nice to measure the output V unser load....
10.34.06 #       <notch> under
10.34.13 #       <Hadaka> and it heats, but not that much
10.34.55 #       <Hadaka> as in, the archos has been warm, sometimes even borderline hot, but not really
10.37.15 #       <Hes> Have you used it with the rockbox charger without blowing it up? 8-)
10.38.33 #       <Hadaka> I debugged the charging for Linus at one point - and charged for testing a bit - but I haven't really really used rockbox ever - except for testing
10.38.59 #       <Hadaka> I usually let it sit all day, charging, at my work - while it's playing - and never charge it when I'm home
10.39.07 #       <Hadaka> except maybe during the weekends
10.39.24 #       <Hadaka> but now the charger is at home because my archos is kind of broken
10.39.39 #       <Lowfiler> can somebody here tell me an efnet server plz
10.40.22 #       <Bagder> Lowfiler: irc.stealth.net
10.40.38 #       <Hadaka> I thought irc.stealth.net was IRCNet?
10.40.47 #       <Bagder> oops
10.40.48 #       <Bagder> right
10.41.08 #       <Bagder> irc.efnet.net then ;-)
10.41.08 #       <Lowfiler> thx
10.41.16 #       <Lowfiler> irc.efnet.net doesnt work :)
10.41.23 #       <Bagder> irc.ais.net
10.41.27 #       <Bagder> irc.phoenix.net
10.41.37 #       <Hadaka> efnet.cs.hut.fi, irc.ludd.luth.se
10.42.06 #       <Hadaka> hmm, dunno which server would let .net in
10.42.50 #       <Lowfiler> they all doesnt work
10.43.01 #       <PsycoXul> irc.secsup.uu.net
10.43.08 #       <PsycoXul> irc.Qeast.net
10.43.20 #       <Bagder> Lowfiler: they all work, they just don't let you in
10.43.34 #       <PsycoXul> irc.easynews.com
10.43.41 #       <Lowfiler> thx irc.queast.net works
10.43.46 #       <Lowfiler> bagder: i know :)
10.43.57 #       <Bagder> your domain is probably banned from quite a lot of servers
10.44.08 #       <Lowfiler> ya thats the problem
10.44.38 #       <Bagder> want my advice? fire up 'muh' on a host that runs on a different host and "bounce" on that to IRC
10.44.45 #       <Bagder> on a different domain
10.46.33 #       <Lowfiler> i have a server on which my domain works
10.46.38 #       <Lowfiler> thats ok
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11.00.06 #       <elinenbe> blah....
11.00.14 #       <elinenbe> can't sleep here.  too hot!
11.16.36 #       <notch> where are you elinenbe?
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11.26.42 #       <elinenbe> New York
11.30.09 #       <Lowfiler> oh what time is it on your side of the world :P
11.37.54 #       <Hadaka> 12:37 CTCP TIME reply from elinenbe: Tue Aug 20 05:37:49 2002
11.37.56 #       <Hadaka> 12:37 CTCP TIME reply from Lowfiler: Tue Aug 20 11:39:11 2002
11.38.03 #       <Hadaka> ...the answer is closer than you think :)
11.38.59 #       <Lowfiler> hehe
11.39.50 #       <Lowfiler> nice :)
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13.10.05 #       * Bagder sneaks back in
13.11.23 #       <Bagder> maybe...
13.11.36 #       <Bagder> when I press 'next' to load the next song, we should stop the scroll
13.11.42 #       <Bagder> in the wps
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13.14.41 #       <Bagder> hey ho adi at dad's
13.15.13 #       <matsl> Bagder: How do I clear just the pixels set in an icon. Is there any function for that in the API?
13.15.18 #       * adi|dads nods
13.15.36 #       <adi|dads> yeah. you can use the clean rectangle one
13.15.43 #       <adi|dads> and set it for the location of the icon
13.16.00 #       <adi|dads> either that or replace the icon by a space
13.16.02 #       * adi|dads shrugs
13.16.04 #       <matsl> i don't want to clearthe whole rectangle. Only the pixels set
13.16.17 #       <Bagder> why?
13.16.18 #       * adi|dads will bite
13.16.19 #       <adi|dads> why?
13.16.44 #       <Bagder> matsl: you're doing code for the simulator, there's no need to optimize ;-)
13.16.50 #       <Bagder> besides
13.16.52 #       * adi|dads smirks
13.17.00 #       <Bagder> the x11 code only clears and sets the dots it has to anyway
13.17.09 #       * adi|dads slaps Bagder around a bit with a large trout
13.17.19 #       * adi|dads slaps matsl around a bit with a large trout
13.17.19 #       * Bagder hides from big bad adi
13.17.22 #       <matsl> battery-symbol. Consists of battery-frame plus three rectangles inside the battery frame.
13.17.34 #       <adi|dads> okay..
13.17.56 #       <matsl> Please enlighten me if I'm heading in the wrong direction.
13.18.06 #       <adi|dads> sure
13.18.09 #       * adi|dads points the other way
13.18.14 #       <adi|dads> thats the right direction
13.18.16 #       <adi|dads> off you go
13.18.18 #       * adi|dads smirks
13.18.26 #       * adi|dads appologizes
13.18.31 #       <adi|dads> i get evil when i can't code :(
13.18.53 #       <matsl> Don't applogize. tell me there is a function for me in the API ;-)
13.18.59 #       <Bagder> matsl: you can clear rectangles, lines or pixels. you pick
13.19.04 #       <adi|dads> yeah... clear rectangle
13.19.42 #       <matsl> OK. Seems I want lcd_bitmap_clear or something then.
13.19.42 #       <adi|dads> or you could give Bagder head, and he will invent something else
13.19.47 #       <adi|dads> but i vote again'st that...
13.20.43 #       <Bagder> matsl: why not simple use the API that exists?
13.20.46 #       <Bagder> simply
13.21.03 #       <Bagder> but sure, make a "lcd_bitmap_clear" if that makes you feel better ;-)
13.22.00 #       <adi|dads> anyone have a version of nmap on their machine?
13.22.39 #       <matsl> Bagder: If I want to clear all bits set in a bitmap I and I use the suggested method of clearing by pixel I would actually invent lcd_bitmap_clear wouldn't I 
13.23.21 #       <Bagder> matsl: I still think you shuld clear_rect() and then bitmap() or draw the stuff that should be there
13.23.26 #       <Bagder> imho
13.23.59 #       <Bagder> adi|dads: no nmap here
13.24.53 #       <matsl> Bagder: Problem is. battery symbol is four icons. three of them inside the forth. The forth whipes out the other three.
13.25.18 #       <LinusN> matsl: draw them in a different order then
13.25.36 #       * adi|dads nm .. got it
13.25.42 #       <matsl> Bagder: I can't control the order. I just implement lcd_icon for the simulator.
13.25.44 #       * adi|dads is SO thankful he is still logged in from work
13.25.54 #       <Bagder> draw the outline first, then the inside
13.26.29 #       <LinusN> matsl: you should create a sim_icon_redraw()
13.26.41 #       <LinusN> that redraws the whole icon shebang
13.26.44 #       * adi|dads calls it a night and tries to sleep again.. bbl...
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13.26.59 #       <matsl> LinusN: why?
13.26.59 #       <LinusN> and lcd_icon should just set some flags
13.27.09 #       <LinusN> because you can't control the order
13.27.18 #       <matsl> LinusN: Aha... !!!!
13.28.12 #       * Bagder still doesn't understands, but gives up
13.28.49 #       <Bagder> and I can't write correct english either
13.28.55 #       <LinusN> :-)
13.31.20 #       <matsl> Bagder: Who said I understood my own problem? ;-)
13.31.54 #       <LinusN> but now you do...
13.34.58 #       <matsl> At least I know how to hack it.
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14.03.23 #       <Bagder> http://rockbox.haxx.se/mp3/edx/ <= edx's test mp3 files
14.04.23 #       <Snorlax> what are u testing?
14.04.43 #       <Bagder> I'm not testing, but when I get those I'll test them all ;-)
14.04.52 #       <Bagder> mainly the id3 and time stuff
14.05.04 #       <Snorlax> k
14.05.09 #       <Bagder> that rockbox will display the correct bitrate, freq and time
14.05.19 #       <Snorlax> k
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14.24.13 #       <Bagder> hm
14.24.17 #       <Bagder> my rockbox froze
14.24.26 #       <Bagder> I pressed OFF
14.24.34 #       <Bagder> and now I could resume again
14.24.46 #       <Bagder> ... only to get it resumed to where I was like an hour ago or so
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14.48.28 #       <Snorlax> anybody here?
14.48.51 #       <Bagder> yeps
14.49.01 #       <Snorlax> ok, maybe this is abit of topic but what headphones u got?
14.49.47 #       <Bagder> I've got some pretty basic sony ones
14.50.08 #       <Snorlax> u got a player/recorder
14.50.09 #       <Bagder> not those that everyone raves so much about
14.50.11 #       <Bagder> recorder
14.50.27 #       <Snorlax> ok, and u get bassa and volume?
14.50.39 #       <Bagder> yes
14.50.53 #       <Snorlax> on a bus/subway?
14.51.02 #       <Bagder> yes, sure
14.51.34 #       <Snorlax> I got a player!
14.51.36 #       <Snorlax> arrgh!
14.51.46 #       <Bagder> the player has worse sound
14.53.51 #       <Snorlax> yupp
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14.54.32 #       <MeRWiN|Sleep> found another error in resume :P
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14.54.42 #       * Bagder points to Zagor|out ;-)
14.54.55 #       <MeRWiN> yup :)
14.55.13 #       <MeRWiN> When you resume, the time of the song starts at 0:00 even if you're in the middle of the song
14.55.16 #       <LinusN> Bagder: dir play resume with random fails
14.55.34 #       <Bagder> LinusN: do you know why?
14.55.54 #       <LinusN> i think your "play the selected file" fix broke it
14.56.08 #       <Bagder> probably, but I can't see why it would do that
14.57.22 #       <Bagder> and it struck me that if we don't have repeat-all, we need a way for a resumed play-all-dir to know when it reaches the end of the dir-play
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15.11.29 #       * Bagder got release-party cake
15.11.32 #       <MeRWiN> I like these long plane rides... I get to find all the bugs I created (usually very tiny ones that nobody will ever run across)
15.11.53 #       <MeRWiN> release-party cake?
15.11.58 #       <Bagder> hehe
15.12.06 #       <Bagder> yeah, celebration here at my work
15.12.13 #       <MeRWiN> nice nice
15.12.48 #       <MeRWiN> we should have release-party cake for 1.3 ... although I think the cake would be fairly stale after being transported from sweeden to the states
15.13.07 #       <Bagder> hehe
15.13.20 #       <Bagder> http://www.alliedtelesyn.com/allied/common/easyprint.asp?tablename=PressReleases&fieldname=Text&memoID=278&productid=0
15.13.36 #       <Bagder> that's the end "user" of what we make
15.14.03 #       <Bagder> kind of techie sales talk
15.16.01 #       <MeRWiN> bothell... that's just down the street from where i live :)
15.16.51 #       <Bagder> :-)
15.17.19 #       <MeRWiN> I didn't know that Allied Telesyn was from there
15.17.43 #       <Bagder> Allied is some kind of partner of net Insight that I do consulting for
15.17.54 #       <MeRWiN> ahh
15.18.11 #       * MeRWiN hates 56k dialup.
15.18.15 #       * MeRWiN misses his cable-modem
15.19.54 #       <MeRWiN> haha. I got an e-mail regarding my Nokia Ringtone website that just said "You suck". Now that is one unhappy customer that I just can't please
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15.24.10 #       <bobTHC|work> have u seen the new macrosafe from macrovision for broadcasting films...
15.24.20 #       <MeRWiN> what is it?
15.24.58 #       <bobTHC|work> the new macrovision secure film on demand standart 
15.25.36 #       <Bagder> LinusN: you checked out the battery faq?
15.26.31 #       <bobTHC|work> with AES and triple DES  encryption!
15.27.00 #       <bobTHC|work> secure until someone dig it!
15.27.28 #       <Bagder> well, the client needs to decode it to view it, so then someone can decode it to save it soon
15.27.41 #       <MeRWiN> Bagder: agreed
15.27.55 #       <bobTHC|work> http://www.macrovision.com/solutions/video/drm/overview.php3
15.27.59 #       <MeRWiN> Any technology is easy to crack, if given the right person
15.28.34 #       <bobTHC|work> when someone build something someone can can destoy it!
15.28.53 #       <Bagder> bobTHC|work: but the stuff we do here for video broadcast is more at the hardware level, like the protocols on the fibre
15.29.19 #       <LinusN> Bagder: where is the faq?
15.29.22 #       <bobTHC|work> ok...
15.29.32 #       <MeRWiN> Why are companies so intent on spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to create "bigger locks" that just take a couple more days to break through. Don't they understand that there's no lock that a determined computer geek can't get through?
15.29.37 #       <Bagder> LinusN: http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/battery.html
15.29.44 #       <Bagder> LinusN: but edit the docs/BATTERY
15.30.14 #       <Bagder> LinusN: most of the A's come from Hes so far
15.30.16 #       <bobTHC|work> merwin : sony music is in this case with audiocd protection
15.30.39 #       <Hes> With the following log:
15.30.46 #       <Hes> Initial answers based on what I think is probably right - need to be
15.30.53 #       <Hes> checked and re-checked by others! I don't know what we can recommend
15.30.59 #       <bobTHC|work> to remove it just use a postit or a marker
15.31.00 #       <Hes> and what we can not recommend even if we did it ourself.
15.31.05 #       <Hes> ... it's an starting point, please comment, discuss and edit at will.
15.33.13 #       <MeRWiN> bobTHC|work: heh
15.33.35 #       <Hes> I was wondering... 1.5V alkaline batteries would work in an emergency, but cause the device to heat up more (at the regulators doing more work)
15.33.50 #       <Hes> But with Hadaka and others using it with a 12V travel charger...
15.34.08 #       <MeRWiN> Hes: I tried them.. 1.5v alkaline does work. It does heat up alot though
15.34.33 #       <LinusN> We need to be clearer about which model the answers apply to
15.34.55 #       <matsl> Bagder: I'm stuck with second icon line. help needed.
15.34.55 #       <bobTHC|work> just use non full 1.5 alkaline ..
15.35.08 #       <Bagder> matsl: shooot
15.35.42 #       <Hes> LinusN: true, my answers are pretty much recorder-specific
15.35.42 #       <matsl> well, the icons simply don't show on the display. Nothing wrong with them. They display fine on the first line.
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15.36.32 #       <matsl> Bagder: Could there be something the chops of the last bit of the pixmap?
15.36.53 #       <matsl> Bagder: I have tried setting LCD_HEIGHT but it doesn't change a thing.
15.36.53 #       <Bagder> anything
15.36.56 #       <Bagder> 's possible
15.37.41 #       <Bagder> so nothing in the whole lower section becomes visible?
15.38.26 #       <matsl> Bagder: no. After the text I'm not able to display the icons. Y-position LCD_HEIGHT - 7 was my first assumption, Tried a bunch of others as well.
15.38.48 #       <Bagder> well LCD_HEIGHT is already bigger than the player sim display so that shouldn't matter
15.39.44 #       <matsl> Aha. maybe I should start counting pixels. Maybe I'm just writing behiond the text
15.40.15 #       <Bagder> you should start at... 40 I guess
15.40.22 #       <Bagder> Y-wise
15.40.34 #       <matsl> Bagder: I have tried it but its worth another go.
15.40.49 #       <Bagder> make sure you lcd_update() too properly
15.41.33 #       <matsl> Bagder: I have to stop soon. got battery, play, record, and volume working in simulator.
15.41.56 #       <Bagder> cool
15.42.09 #       <matsl> Bagder: When I get the second line working i'll checkin. maybe tomorrow!?
15.42.18 #       <Bagder> sounds fine
15.43.02 #       <matsl> Bagder: besides I don't do any lcd_update myself. Should I?
15.43.12 #       <Bagder> yes
15.43.28 #       <Bagder> the player code doesn't need lcd_update()
15.43.35 #       <Bagder> but the player sim does
15.44.05 #       <matsl> ok. so maybe I have just been darn lucky with the other icons then?
15.44.24 #       <Bagder> yes, possibly, because the text functions do lcd_update()
15.44.40 #       <matsl> ok
15.45.04 #       <matsl> Bagder: thanks for the info. cu
15.45.08 #       <Bagder> bye
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15.45.49 #       <Bagder> ...we should provide a memcmp() soon
15.46.07 #       <Bagder> for all those poor people who get a newer gcc
15.47.24 #       <Hadaka> hm
15.47.36 #       <Hadaka> I didn't understand that?
15.47.52 #       <Hadaka> are you sure you want the "optimized" version there?
15.48.15 #       <Bagder> the optimized? 
15.48.23 #       <Bagder> you mean optimized strcmp() ?
15.48.50 #       <Hadaka> no I mean the optimized whatever that used memcmp internally - that the newer gcc does
15.49.20 #       <Bagder> yes, it is some strcmp() stuff that it converts, possible something else too of course
15.49.27 #       <Bagder> you think it is bad?
15.50.07 #       <Hadaka> well unless you provide all the functions those things require and understand that the optimization is happening, I'm favoring not using the inlines at all
15.51.39 #       <Bagder> well, my thinking was more that if it optmizes into using other functions and we can easily provide those other functions, that might be a good thing
15.52.16 #       <Bagder> but we can also of course append the option that disables that optimization, whatever flag that is
15.52.25 #       <Hadaka> it's -fno-inline
15.52.50 #       <Bagder> it is?
15.53.20 #       <Hadaka> whops
15.53.28 #       <Hadaka> it's -fno-builtin :)
15.53.45 #       <Bagder> ah, that makes more sense ;-)
15.54.01 #       <Bagder> right, we should probably slap that one on instead
15.54.15 #       <Bagder> then we should work better with newer gccs
15.54.18 #       <Hadaka> but the thing is, those builtin inlines change the behaviour of things - like forexample when memcpy becomes an inline assembly loop
15.54.26 #       <Hadaka> and I'm not sure if that's wanted in all cases
15.55.03 #       <Hadaka> you can say -fno-builtin-strcmp ofcourse to solve the one problem you have
15.55.16 #       <Hadaka> but that would be quite the worst solution
15.56.03 #       <Hadaka> oh btw
15.56.14 #       <Hadaka> you could use -ffreestanding as a compilation option
15.56.36 #       <Bagder> aha
15.56.36 #       <Hadaka> "A freestanding environment is one in which the standard library may not exist, and program startup may not necessarily be at "main".  The most obvious example is an OS kernel."
15.56.42 #       <Bagder> sounds perfect
15.56.48 #       <Hadaka> exactly
15.56.54 #       * Bagder adds
15.56.58 #       <Hadaka> um
15.57.05 #       <Hadaka> check if it works with older gcc's first ;)
15.57.19 #       <Hadaka> that was from gcc-3.1 manual page
15.57.21 #       <Bagder> hehe
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15.58.15 #       <Bagder> egcs-2.91.66 has it at least
15.58.45 #       <Hadaka> oh goodie
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16.01.43 #       <Zagor> oh man. people want shortcut keys for really obscure functions...
16.01.46 #       <Hadaka> oh and, if you want something optimized - like memcpy
16.02.26 #       <Hadaka> you can do #define memcpy(d, s, n)   __builtin_memcpy ((d), (s), (n))
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16.06.00 #       <Zagor> bah, I don't like merwins wps.c commit. it resets the scroll every time you adjust volume. I don't understand why he did that.
16.07.57 #       <Bagder> doesn't sound like something you want it to do
16.08.42 #       <Bagder> Zagor: btw, you should also dive into the battery faq and shovel in your edits
16.09.08 #       <Zagor> yup
16.09.44 #       <Bagder> I've forced LinusN on it and Hes contributed massively this morning
16.12.33 #       <LinusN> Hehe. I have benchmarked Magnus Holmgren's assembly language 8-bit bitswap function
16.12.43 #       <Bagder> any cool?
16.12.57 #       <LinusN> guess what? it is _faster_ than the 16-bit version!!!
16.13.03 #       <Bagder> r0ck
16.13.11 #       <Zagor> yay
16.13.21 #       <LinusN> at leat it seems like it is
16.13.21 #       <Bagder> now, how fast is an assembly 16-bit version? B)
16.13.35 #       <LinusN> the resolution is in ticks...
16.15.02 #       <LinusN> the 16-bit version does 32Kb in 4 ticks
16.15.19 #       <elinenbe> hello.  Interesting thing.  On the recorder6k, when I put it in button lock mode, I can still turn the status bar on and off hitting F3
16.15.24 #       <LinusN> the 8-bit version does 32Kb in 4 ticks too, but sometimes in 3...
16.15.52 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: yes, that's because the wps code is a mess. major cleanup coming up...
16.16.26 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: nice.  I hate messy code :-)
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16.17.49 #       <LinusN> Zagor: i will commit Magnus' assembly code as-is, in bitswap.S
16.17.56 #       <Zagor> ok
16.18.20 #       * LinusN is drooling over the extra 128Kb we will gain...
16.20.07 #       <Bagder> hehe
16.23.16 #       * elinenbe is drooling over 128kb of Doom once my raytracing engine is completed... :-)
16.24.05 #       <bobTHC|work> :)
16.24.08 #       <Bagder> hehe
16.24.17 #       <Bagder> well they ported doom to the cannon digital cameras...
16.24.44 #       <LinusN> Well, gotta go!
16.25.05 #       <Bagder> see ya LinusN
16.25.10 #       <LinusN> Magnus Holmgren is surely the Hero Of The Day!
16.25.19 #       <bobTHC|work> for sure!
16.25.28 #       * Bagder hails Magnus
16.26.04 #       <LinusN> still, we need to keep our ears open for bugs...
16.26.07 #       <elinenbe> bye LinusN
16.26.12 #       <LinusN> bye!
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16.35.58 #       <Bagder> Zagor: you tried that update_rect() fix yet?
16.42.53 #       <Bagder> blah, I hate snmp
16.42.57 #       <Zagor> yes, I've been running it for a day
16.43.07 #       <Bagder> coolio
16.43.56 #       <Bagder> I wasn't 100% sure I wrote it correctly ;-)
16.44.02 #       <Zagor> :-)
16.44.22 #       <Zagor> well it appears to work, anyway. or else it's some other lcd_update that does the job... :-)
16.44.44 #       <Bagder> hm, right the normal one will update that rect too
16.44.51 #       <Zagor> yes
16.47.43 #       <Bagder> btw, can we get an interrupt from a timer or something?
16.48.00 #       <Bagder> I'm thinking about sleep
16.48.28 #       <Zagor> we do get a tick interrupt. check kernel.c
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16.53.58 #       <Zagor> Bagder: that unshuffle fix you did must be altered to cope with resume
16.54.06 #       <Bagder> I know
16.54.19 #       <Bagder> we need to differentiate between resume and the play-dir
16.54.42 #       <Bagder> linus said I broke the resume for all-dir play
16.54.53 #       <Bagder> not that I understand why
16.54.59 #       <Zagor> yeah, in shuffle mode anyway
16.55.26 #       <Bagder> you figured out why?
16.55.46 #       <Zagor> i think so. just a minute...
16.57.04 #       <Bagder> the sleep mode runs on 40mA compared to 60mA normal mode
16.57.18 #       <Zagor> sh-1 sleep mode?
16.57.21 #       <Bagder> yes
16.57.25 #       <Zagor> ok
16.57.36 #       <Bagder> it takes 3 cycles to get into the mode
16.57.44 #       <Zagor> and out?
16.57.54 #       <Bagder> it wasn't quite as clear
16.58.04 #       <Zagor> what about dram refresh and iram contents?
16.59.16 #       <Bagder> the iram is no problem at least
16.59.23 #       <Bagder> RAM is said to be "Held"
16.59.47 #       <Zagor> ok
16.59.59 #       <Bagder> I suspect that we can go down to SLEEP for very short intervals to reduce power consumption
17.00.16 #       <Bagder> it basicly just halts the CPU core
17.00.31 #       <Zagor> we should reorganize the scheduler to use process queues
17.00.41 #       <Zagor> then we could spend lots of time in sleep mode
17.01.20 #       <Bagder> well for starters and experiments, we can have one thread go down to sleep mode and then release it again
17.01.24 #       <Bagder> for like 10-20 ms
17.01.36 #       <Zagor> yeah
17.01.44 #       <Bagder> it would only slow down the thread-shifting
17.02.03 #       <Bagder> as long as we scan the keys fast enough and the lcd gets updated, no one should notice
17.02.13 #       <Zagor> right
17.04.43 #       <Bagder> pity we can't use the standby mode ;-)
17.04.50 #       <Bagder> 0.0.1 uA
17.04.52 #       <Bagder> 0.01
17.05.01 #       <Bagder> that's deep coma
17.05.04 #       <Zagor> hehe
17.05.09 #       <Zagor> but no ram is held?
17.05.28 #       <Bagder> ram is held
17.05.34 #       <Zagor> but?
17.05.35 #       <Bagder> but lots of other things go
17.05.52 #       <Zagor> such as?
17.05.54 #       <Bagder> clock halted
17.06.08 #       <Bagder> "supporting functions" halted
17.06.17 #       <Bagder> not sure that that means
17.06.35 #       <Bagder> only nmi irq can wake it up
17.06.46 #       <Zagor> ouch. ok, sounds pretty harsh.
17.06.49 #       <Bagder> except for power-on and manual reset
17.07.35 #       <Bagder> 0.01 uA is amazingly little current
17.07.46 #       <Zagor> yeah
17.09.02 #       <Zagor> dir-play resume works for unshuffled
17.13.32 #       <Bagder> I'm off for tonight, see ya
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19.08.44 #       <xam> use jolt or drpepper ;)
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20.11.03 #       <Jet8810> anybody here currently on msn messenger?
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20.43.31 #       <elinenbe> hi there
20.47.13 #       <elinenbe> bye there.
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22.06.49 #       <nsauzede> hi all
22.09.16 #       <Zagor> hi
22.14.41 #       <nsauzede> congrats again for the good work :)
22.15.37 #       <Zagor> :-) thanks
22.15.52 #       <nsauzede> BTW, just a question..
22.16.10 #       <Zagor> sure
22.16.31 #       <nsauzede> I recently received all emails of the list twice, did that happen to someone else ?
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22.17.02 #       <Zagor> not me
22.17.38 #       <nsauzede> it may be a problem with my pop server, so...
22.18.32 #       <nsauzede> else, I wondered if one can/must/must'nt use archos logo/name on the tshirts designs ??
22.18.57 #       <Zagor> good question. we should probably avoid using their official logo anyway
22.19.31 #       <nsauzede> yes, and the question is valid for the jukebox name, no ? (tm)
22.19.46 #       <nsauzede> (and the photos ?)
22.20.20 #       <Zagor> i'm pretty sure "jukebox" is not protected by archos. it's a very generic name.
22.20.35 #       <Zagor> but, yeah. it's an interesting question.
22.21.49 #       <nsauzede> indeed, I wanted to send an email to you to ask many points like this for the submissions (can/must/must'nt use that or this)
22.23.37 #       <nsauzede> BTW, did you receive the email I just sent to the list ? It's about Players USB icon
22.23.48 #       <Zagor> yes I did
22.24.02 #       <Zagor> thanks, I missed just that the other day
22.24.21 #       <nsauzede> cool;) what do you think of the double-height issue ?
22.24.33 #       <Zagor> which version did you test on?
22.25.00 #       <nsauzede> well, original firmware is 5.07d, if I remember well...
22.25.00 #       <Zagor> and did you have resume to "on" (not "ask")?
22.25.06 #       <nsauzede> resume : on
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22.25.11 #       <dwihn0r> Good afternoon
22.25.12 #       <Zagor> i found it :-)
22.25.15 #       <dwihn0r> Or something like that :)
22.25.18 #       <Zagor> hi dwihn0r
22.25.21 #       <nsauzede> hi !
22.25.39 #       <dwihn0r> Hi, Mr. Zagor. You got the rights to indent. Every tab can and will be used against you!
22.25.45 #       <nsauzede> zagor : I was resuming a playlist at bootup
22.26.05 #       <Zagor> nsauzede: yes, I found the bug. checking in now.
22.26.17 #       <nsauzede> so fast ? unbelievable :)
22.26.30 #       <dwihn0r> I read about the optimized bitswap. How much of a performance increase does it boast?
22.26.55 #       <nsauzede> zagor : beware Luke, you are coding faster than your shadow... 8-)
22.27.06 #       <Zagor> dwihn0r: not significantly faster. the big thing is we save 128 KB ram
22.27.32 #       <nsauzede> but Lionus said it was even faster than 16bit method..
22.27.38 #       <nsauzede> ??
22.27.48 #       <dwihn0r> Zagor: Ah. Saving RAM! :D Misa like that very much :)
22.28.11 #       <Zagor> yes, but I don't think it's that much faster. the big thing is that we can save the ram and don't sacrifice performance
22.28.21 #       <nsauzede> right.
22.28.22 #       <Zagor> not that the new algo is much faster
22.28.25 #       <dwihn0r> I bet my pants that the buffer size of rockbox outclasses the buffer of the stock firmware
22.28.51 #       <Zagor> it might. should be fairly simple to test.
22.29.02 #       <dwihn0r> Yeah... :)
22.29.12 #       <nsauzede> on recorders, can you play game while listening to music ?
22.29.15 #       <dwihn0r> edx's win32 makefiles aren't updated yet, I presume?
22.29.18 #       <Zagor> nsauzede: yes
22.29.27 #       <Zagor> dwihn0r: dunno
22.30.35 #       <nsauzede> zagor: I'm desparately trying to compile win32 simulator on cygwin/W2000 with builtin mingw32, but that fails... :(
22.30.57 #       <nsauzede> => must use MS VC :(
22.31.27 #       <Zagor> i'm sorry, I have never tried using windows. I'm a 100% linux guy.
22.32.33 #       <dwihn0r> linux is cute
22.32.48 #       <dwihn0r> Especially that penguin :)
22.33.51 #       <nsauzede> zagor: I'm an Androgyne, Linux+Win2000, but I've got to choose at bootup ;-)
22.34.57 #       <Zagor> mbr has gone berzerk
22.35.38 #       <nsauzede> the ROLO thing really rocks !! I hope it will soon be checked in (I'm fed up patching cvs against the old ROLO-1 patch :)
22.35.59 #       <Zagor> it doesn't work on recorders yet. it will go in when it does.
22.36.11 #       <nsauzede> that's right
22.36.25 #       <nsauzede> <sigh> I hope I had a recorder...
22.36.44 #       <nsauzede> good night, guys, have to go !
22.37.03 #       <dwihn0r> Me too. I'm all worn out.
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22.47.48 #       <Zagor> mbr: why are you adding strlen() to the width on propfont displays?
23.33.56 #       <mbr> Zagor: Are you there? Sorry was offline ...
23.35.36 #       <mbr> I added strlen, because lcd_getstringsize does not count the pixels between characters for propfonts
23.36.17 #       <mbr> OK lets talk about that tomorrow ..
23.36.57 #       <Zagor> you should fix the bug in lcd_getstringsize instead
23.37.40 #       <mbr> I'll do that. I just wanted to ask before I modify lcd.c
23.38.07 #       <mbr> I was not sure if this is a bug
23.38.50 #       <mbr> Additional i'd like compatible lcd_getstringsize in lodable and prop fonts
23.41.10 #       <Zagor> the font system will be redone after 1.3 so don't spend too much effort cleaning that code
23.42.04 #       <mbr> OK. I'll fix only the lcd_getstringsize for prop fonts
23.42.34 #       <mbr> But it has to wait. I'm tired :)
23.42.37 #       <Zagor> also I think you should consult us before adding things like status bar in menus. it's a design issue not to be decided by a single person
23.42.45 #       <Zagor> sure. see you tomorrow.
23.43.42 #       <mbr> Oh. I'm sorry. But Linus and Bagder said a while ago, that they want status bar im menus ...
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23.43.58 #       <Zagor> they did? ok, sorry then. my mistake.
23.44.24 #       <mbr> They said it before 1.2 was released.
23.44.46 #       <Zagor> Miran: I don't know. did we break the battery meter?
23.45.00 #       <Miran> under debug
23.45.13 #       <Miran> the text is cut off at the bottem of the scale
23.45.13 #       <Zagor> define "break". what goes wrong?
23.45.54 #       <Miran> in the debug menu, there is a battery viewer
23.46.01 #       <Miran> now the bottem half of the text is cut off
23.46.09 #       <mbr> I broke it with the status bar changes ..
23.46.18 #       <Miran> and the tops of the graph appear to be truncated
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23.46.24 #       * dwihno|gone would love his USB icon checked in
23.46.27 #       <dwihno|gone> Just thinking out loud :)
23.46.32 #       <Zagor> :)
23.46.45 #       <Zagor> dwihno|gone: not tonight. I'm going to sleep.
23.47.14 #       <dwihno|gone> Zagor: well, the img is at http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/usb_tuned.gif - do as you wish with it (I got a new job)
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