--- Log for 21.08.102 Server: herbert.openprojects.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 8 days and 12 hours ago 00.16.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.33.51 Quit Lowfiler (herbert.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 00.33.51 NSplit herbert.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 00.33.51 Quit PsycoXul (herbert.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 00.33.51 Quit Tumm- (herbert.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 00.33.51 Quit adi|work (herbert.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 00.33.51 Quit matp (herbert.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 00.33.51 Quit Hadaka (herbert.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 00.33.51 Quit PiotR (herbert.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 00.34.59 NHeal herbert.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 00.34.59 NJoin Lowfiler [0] (~lowfiler@pD95423E7.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.34.59 NJoin PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-42-9.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 00.34.59 NJoin PiotR [0] (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) 00.34.59 NJoin Hadaka [0] (naked@graywolf.onnanifujiyuu.org) 00.34.59 NJoin matp [0] (~mpritch@gateway.riversoft.com) 00.34.59 NJoin adi|work [0] (~adiamas@pool-151-204-138-24.ny325.east.verizon.net) 00.34.59 NJoin Tumm- [0] (coyote@mysko.net) 01.09.56 Join MeRWiN [0] (merwin@3Cust12.tnt18.tpa2.da.uu.net) 01.41.34 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-34-215-172.bct.bellsouth.net) 01.54.50 Quit Jet8810 ("Client Exiting") 02.01.47 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-34-215-172.bct.bellsouth.net) 02.09.46 Quit Jet8810 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.10.17 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-34-215-172.bct.bellsouth.net) 02.16.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.20.37 Quit Jet8810 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.21.40 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-34-215-172.bct.bellsouth.net) 02.22.38 Quit Jet8810 (Client Quit) 02.39.10 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@AMontsouris-108-1-17-230.abo.wanadoo.fr) 02.39.15 # hello ! 02.59.23 Quit BoD[] ("{[[[{[{{TCL enabled quit message}}]}]]]}") 03.29.57 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@user-0cceh8k.cable.mindspring.com) 03.46.10 Quit mbr (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 04.16.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.42.21 Join RedLeg [0] (~apotter@apotter.static.pa.net) 05.42.32 # Gretz! 05.43.47 # OK, the JR20 is VERY close to full.... what's the drive upgrade of choice? 06.01.26 # Any life here? 06.16.48 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 06.36.10 # RedLeg: afaik, the 40 gb disks are a good choice, since they're not THAT expensive. 07.02.41 # Hmmmm, any known good or bad brands/models? 07.14.20 Join rwood [0] (~rdwrockbo@ca-santaanahub-cuda3-c9b-117.anhmca.adelphia.net) 07.15.04 # anyone here who has had the case off of a recorder? 07.24.27 # rwood: are you working on rolo for the recorder?? some of us are anxiously awaiting it!!!! 07.25.43 # elinenbe: yes - i can load rockbox versions, but still hang loading archos versions. 07.26.42 # elinenbe: i am considering opening it up and insturmenting the RAM so i can see where the firmware is hanging 07.28.06 # rwood: sounds great 07.28.10 # before i open it i would like to know if the RAM is on the outside or will i have to take the sandwich apart 07.28.30 # rwood: oh... I don't know. I think there are some pictures on the rockbox site. 07.29.08 Quit RedLeg ("Client Exiting") 07.29.12 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/internals/recorder.html 07.29.43 # elinenbe: i have looked there, but can't tell which side is which - linus will probably know when he comes on 07.30.30 # taking the sandwich apart is a pain in the ass. yeah, Linus will probably know. 07.31.04 # i'll probablly put the serial port mod in for gdb at the same time 07.47.23 Join adi|dads [0] (adi_dads@pool-138-89-186-221.mad.east.verizon.net) 07.47.23 Quit rwood (Remote closed the connection) 07.47.30 # * adi|dads yawns 07.49.38 Join mbr [0] (~tiw4mabr@rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de) 07.50.02 # howdy mbr 07.50.10 # morning 08.12.19 # Good morning 08.16.04 # morning 08.16.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.23.33 # morning 08.23.38 # morning 08.23.41 # i miss anyone? 08.23.43 # * adi|dads smirks 08.26.21 Quit bobTHC|work (Remote closed the connection) 08.26.36 Join bobTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) 08.27.29 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 08.28.33 # I'll have a go at the play-dir with shuffe resume bug 08.28.57 # bagder.. im getting tired of fixing html pages 08.28.57 # adi|dads: good mail 08.29.05 # damn 'foot.t' bug 08.29.07 # you think so? 08.29.12 # i didnt want to sound the asshole 08.29.17 # but im sick and tired of those mails 08.29.27 # yes, I was about to react the same way on that "nobody seems to care" mail 08.29.29 # "wah.. i want my email answered _now_" 08.29.44 # i mean.. Jesus H. Christ 08.29.48 # its a volunteer project 08.29.50 # deal with it :) 08.30.08 # * adi|dads thinks being trapped is reallllly starting to affect his politeness online 08.37.49 # umm.. any reason the tshirt page went to 2 cols? 08.38.18 # yes, the amount of designs 08.38.26 # you think its bad? 08.39.15 # not bad 08.39.22 # just tough to figure out the front and back ones 08.39.34 # i think it would make more sense to have 1 col 08.39.40 # with the front/back ones on the same line 08.39.46 # so its 1 entry per line 08.39.48 # ah, that's a good idea 08.39.52 # w/2 images if needed 08.39.55 # want me to fix? 08.39.56 # I'll try that later on 08.40.02 # ill get it... give me a min 08.40.10 # no, it isn't in cvs 08.40.16 # damn you 08.40.20 # put it in the cvs! ;) 08.40.21 # although I guess I could put it there of course 08.40.27 # ehhe 08.40.28 # sure, hang on 08.40.34 # * adi|dads wants everything in the cvs :) 08.40.40 # you're right 08.41.03 # * adi|dads punches adi|work in the nads 08.41.07 # * adi|dads feels it from here 08.42.32 # btw.. i was thinking 08.42.52 # are there any .t files that shouldn't have a '#include head.t' and #include foot.t in them? 08.43.27 # not if they're meant to be displayed as html I think 08.43.39 # cause ppl keep forgetting the foot.t 08.43.54 # so i was wondering if it makes more sense for the conversion script to insert it automatically 08.44.04 # rather then the .t having the head/foot.t includes 08.44.14 # that make sense? 08.45.12 # yes it makes sense 08.45.27 # i take it the conversion script is server side (not in cvs)? 08.45.36 # oh.. and your txt2plain.pl... was that finished? 08.45.50 # it is "finished" 08.45.53 # that is, it works 08.46.00 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) 08.46.02 # but? 08.46.09 # but it can always be improved of course 08.46.13 # nods 08.46.14 # morning matsl 08.46.26 # adi|dads: we use it for the battery faq now too 08.46.35 # ahh.. nm.. didn't realize it was being used 08.46.39 # the battery faq? 08.46.54 # adi|dads: update your CVS and you'll get a BATTERY next to your FAQ 08.47.00 # using your format 08.47.21 # nods 08.47.30 Join Blaster_Master [0] (~noone@firewall.scribona.com) 08.47.37 # btw, I'm advocating putting the FAQ and BATTERY somewhere in the source tree instead 08.47.38 # ahhh.. didnt see that earlier 08.47.44 # to make them come in the source distributions 08.47.49 # that makes sense 08.48.13 # we might want to consider a 'docs' directory off the main branch 08.48.20 # for the README's, FAQs etc 08.48.25 # right, that could be a good thing 08.48.43 # then you just have a README in each subdir pointing you to the main doc/ 08.48.52 # * adi|dads always liked that design on other projects 08.48.56 # I like that 08.49.10 # Bagder: morning 08.49.29 # that way, when/if we have any man pages for things in the future, we can stick them there... 08.49.32 # and what not 08.49.40 # yeps 08.49.50 # hmmm.. what i _could_ do.. 08.49.53 # is build that now... 08.49.57 # and if we want them on the web site, we use them as source files and convert them using some tools into html and things 08.49.58 # copy the stuff over 08.50.02 # and see if ppl like it... 08.50.15 # w/o rm'ing the originals 08.50.23 # nods 08.50.32 # well the www stuff should be able to see the docs files 08.50.38 # so refering to them shouldn't be a prob 08.51.48 # grrr.. we really need a naming convention for these tshirt images 08.51.55 # seems like we had one, but we stopped using it 08.52.07 # I'm a lazy person 08.52.09 # ;-) 08.52.19 # heheh ill try and clean up slowly as i go if you want ;) 08.52.36 # sure, but renaming files is annoying with cvs 08.52.41 # * adi|dads nods 08.52.55 # hell i have like another wk and a half to find stupid stuff to do 08.53.00 # painful to code remotely 08.54.05 # btw, any changes to the tshirt stuff won't take effect right now 08.54.11 # i know.. 08.54.12 # it takes time 08.54.23 # id need to run the makefile on the server, correct? 08.54.25 # yes, but it needs to be fixed on the server first to work 08.54.30 # * adi|dads nods 08.54.43 # since the directory on the server is put outside cvs 08.54.49 # so cvs update will not work properly 08.54.57 # * adi|dads thinks he may need to poke you all in the future about some kind of limited access for that ;) 08.55.01 # it needs to be removed first, then cvs update 08.55.05 # ahh.. so it needs to pull down from the CVS? 08.55.09 # yes 08.55.11 # okay.. 08.55.21 # so if i change a filename, i need to remove 08.55.24 # and Björn is the master of that so I let him do that 08.55.24 # then update? 08.55.32 # or just for _any_ update 08.55.37 # it needs to be done that way? 08.56.18 # no, you just use cvs as you use to 08.56.27 # nods 08.56.28 # okay 08.56.39 # I'm just saying that Zaggie needs to patch the server for the tshirt pages to start working off cvs 08.56.45 # got ya... 08.56.45 # np 08.57.03 # well.. what i can do, is set up a demo on my web server.. see what you think of the layout 08.57.05 # hows that sound? 08.57.20 # sure 08.57.34 # that's usually how I do it when I modify things too 08.57.48 # some nice symlinks into the cvs ;-) 08.58.15 # hehe i hadn't thought of that... hmmm... i need to get all those links then... 08.58.24 # bah.. ill just scp all the files over.. much easier ;) 09.00.04 # Bagder: report on simulator icons 09.00.13 # how's the progess? 09.00.20 # * adi|dads cheers matsl on 09.00.31 # tell us its done you stud ;) 09.01.01 # Bagder: I can display on the second line 09.01.22 # Bagder: ... but I think maybe the simulator doesn't call lcd_icon like the player does. 09.01.38 Quit Blaster_Master () 09.01.44 # what makes you think that? 09.01.54 # isn't lcd_icon() used from app code? 09.03.00 # Bagder: yes, but I have only seen the param icon display and not allways. 09.03.45 # grep lcd_icon *.c | wc -l 09.03.45 # 42 09.03.47 # Bagder: There are a bunch of #ifdefs that control when lcd_icon is used. Maybe they are not correct allways for the simulator. 09.03.56 # hm 09.04.25 # any examples where you think it should be called where it isn't? 09.04.32 # Bagder: Just a thought. I have the code so I will have a look at it. 09.05.11 # * Bagder can't really test the resume play-dir bug in the simulator 09.05.28 # Bagder you think it makes sense to remove the header in the FAQ? 09.05.30 # we need to improve the simulated mpeg thread 09.05.36 # seeing as we have it listed off the website now... 09.05.48 # or maybe we could work in some kind of comment line for the .pl script 09.06.02 # or is # treated as comment when the script runs? 09.06.28 # Bagder: We need to improve the simulator when it comes to the keys as well. 09.06.40 # adi|dads: well, the srcipt is adjusted to treat everything before the first Q as a "header" 09.07.02 # adi|dads: and that is printed within
09.07.23 # right.. but it still doesn't display properly on the web page 09.07.31 # no? 09.07.34 # and what we have in one faq, we should have in both... 09.07.37 # looks fine on mine 09.07.59 # btw, http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/battery.html is the battery one 09.08.09 # right.. 09.08.14 # but look at the standard FAQ 09.08.17 # __________ __ ___. 09.08.17 # Open \______ \ ____ ____ | | _\_ |__ _______ ___ 09.08.17 # Source | _// _ \_/ ___\| |/ /| __ \ / _ \ \/ / 09.08.17 DBUG Enqueued KICK adi|dads 09.08.17 # Jukebox | | ( <_> ) \___| < | \_\ ( <_> > < < 09.08.17 # Firmware |____|_ /\____/ \___ >__|_ \|___ /\____/__/\_ \ 09.08.18 *** Alert Mode level 1 09.08.18 # \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ 09.08.21 # grr.. sry 09.08.23 # misfire 09.08.27 # basic low level c Q. can you initialize an array of structs: static struct my_struct my_structs[] = { ... }? 09.08.41 # the spacing looks all off.. 09.08.43 # nods 09.08.48 # i think so matsl 09.09.21 # I need pointer to working code. I'm getting some parse error when I try it. 09.09.40 # do me a favor.. 09.09.44 # the parts its bitching about... 09.09.49 # cut and past to #spam 09.09.54 # matsl: you need {} around each struct in the array 09.10.06 # Bagder: I know. 09.10.59 # Bagder: I'll have another go at it now that you have verified that it should work. 09.11.23 # you can only init it to static values too 09.11.34 # unless we talk C99 09.11.45 # That's ok for me. 09.12.15 # Have u seen the creative Open source Project, take a look @ http://opensource.creative.com/ 09.12.49 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 09.12.49 # * Bagder has seen it 09.13.00 # Archos will do the same !!! 09.13.53 # perhaps 09.16.14 # for the moment they don't contact us(and they knows) so they can help us a little like creative do... 09.16.51 # personally.. id prefer they had nothing to do with us 09.16.59 # * adi|dads fears retributions 09.17.05 # why ? 09.17.18 # there are some behind-the-curtains actions going on 09.17.22 # * adi|dads fears them having issues with what we do... 09.17.27 # whats that bagder? 09.17.33 # * adi|dads didn't understand 09.17.56 # badger : like what? 09.18.07 # I'm just saying that there is some lobbying going on by people 09.18.17 # in which direction? 09.18.17 # here ? 09.18.19 *** Alert Mode OFF 09.18.22 # and there is no question about that Archos knows very well what we're doing 09.18.54 # for sure 09.18.56 # I don't want to tell you any specifics yet, and it is all Björn's show really 09.19.30 # Interesting. 09.20.19 # U think already some archos ppl already contribute hidden ? 09.20.26 # no 09.20.34 # I don't think so 09.20.48 # just make some lobbying... 09.20.51 # do you think Bjorn is just trying to cover his ass from lawsuits? 09.21.02 # ie: kiss ass, play nice, we keep our project? 09.21.13 # no, I don't 09.21.24 # I think he wants things to get real before he says anything 09.21.30 # * adi|dads nods 09.21.31 # not just talks and intensions 09.21.57 # any idea on when/if he intends to spill the beans on whats going on? 09.22.10 # * adi|dads points out that maybe this section of the log needs to be edited out ;) 09.22.42 # paranoia is the rule, isn't it adi ? 09.22.44 # well, if things don't turn out good then maybe it'll never become anything to mention 09.23.16 # * adi|dads nods 09.23.21 # and if it turn out good, you'll get to know 09.23.30 # just cause you're paranoid, does not me they _aren't_ out to ge tyou... 09.23.32 # * adi|dads nods 09.23.39 # s/me/mean 09.23.58 # paranoia is healthy 09.24.00 # now, back to debuggin 09.24.01 # mania is not ;) 09.31.07 # Bagder: problem spotted, lcd_clear_display whipes my icons out. Confused!? 09.31.11 # btw.. with the # of entries with front and back on the shirts.. you guys may want to edit the rules.. 09.31.24 # matsl: it clears the screen, it wipes everything out 09.31.43 # i know. 09.31.52 # adi|dads: I know, I just haven't decided quite how yet 09.31.58 # * adi|dads nods 09.34.35 # matsl: I guess clear_display() on the player target doesn't clear the icons so then the simulator version shouldn't either 09.35.13 # Bagder: Jupp. 09.36.50 # Bagder: two possible solutions. 1: don't clear the pixel 2: make lcd_update redraw the icons. 09.37.16 # Bagder: Comment? 09.37.38 # I'd go for alternative 1 09.37.55 # * matsl feels nice memset debugging comming up 09.38.04 # ok 09.39.02 # it's really not tricky, all you need to do is clear from ypos 8 height 32 09.39.50 # I know. I'm just such a bummer when it come to counting bits. Maybe I have learned my lesson now. 09.39.57 # hehe 09.40.11 # you'll become a better bitcounter! ;-) 09.40.15 # Bagder: Thanks for the support. 09.40.36 # have a little problem with usb in wps on recorders 09.41.18 # mbr: tell us 09.41.23 # when plugging the cable, status bar ist still redrawn. and when unplugging recorder does not return to root 09.41.37 # Sorry, typespeed is too slow :) 09.42.30 # I don't understand that ... 09.43.47 Join rwood [0] (~rdwrockbo@ca-santaanahub-cuda3-c9b-117.anhmca.adelphia.net) 09.43.57 # Additional all buttons work (i.e. Volume) 09.45.42 # anyone know off hand if lee pilgrim's tshirt design is for the front or back of the shirt? 09.46.07 # adi|dads: no side was specified 09.46.11 # k... 09.46.21 # ill assume front until told otherwise :) 09.46.30 # hey rwood, how's the rolo hacking going? 09.47.20 # mbr: I agree that it sounds weird 09.49.23 # Bagder: i'm about to break the warranty seal to insturment the RAM so i can use a logic analyzer to find out where 1.27d is looping 09.49.45 # neato 09.50.47 # has anyone here had a recorder out of the case? 09.51.05 # * Bagder hasn't 09.51.11 # haha - he says that he's going to break the warranty seal - and the response is "neato" :) 09.51.37 # hehe, well I'm looking forward to the results from that brave move ;-) 09.51.37 # anything for the cause 09.52.18 # Bagder wanna check out http://phobos.ramapo.edu/~rhak/tshirts/designs.html 09.52.24 # i was thinking something along that line 09.52.28 # to whats at the top 09.53.21 # yeps, that's fine 09.53.54 # k 10.04.49 # Hadaka: Hi, did you check out the travel charger's specs? 10.12.39 Join notch|out [0] (hidden-use@arthur.techprt.co.uk) 10.14.34 # I think I fixed the resume-play-all-dir-with-shuffle bug 10.14.57 # hard to say, as it can't be run in the simulator properly 10.16.04 # Some more infos about wps usb bug. It was introduced between 7 days ago and 6 days ago. 10.16.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.17.50 Join pyvasene [0] (~pyvasene@ns1.alcove-solutions.com) 10.22.08 # * notch|out is becomming a cvs update junkie... 10.22.45 Mode "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 10.23.04 Topic "do you cvs update often enough?" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 10.24.15 # 3 -5 times a day :-) 10.24.25 # :-) 10.25.33 # but i'm always dissapointed when make says there is nothing to do :-| 10.26.28 # .. then you can mail the mailing list and say "work harder to lazy bastards" ;-) 10.26.38 # s/to/you 10.26.43 # ohh the tee shirts have been loaded... must have a wee look... 10.26.50 # hehe 10.27.52 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 10.28.05 # hey ho Z 10.28.07 # hi 10.28.16 # morn zagor 10.28.29 # * Zagor yawns 10.28.43 # Zagor: it would be cool if you renamed the tshirt dir and cvs updated the web 10.28.50 # Zagor: I put that whole dir on cvs 10.28.54 # ah 10.29.24 # ... so that adi can play around with it :-) 10.30.43 # fixed 10.30.51 # mbr: thanks for the heads-up mail :-) 10.32.55 # :) 10.34.18 # http://phobos.ramapo.edu/~rhak/tshirts/designs.html 10.34.24 # hows that bagder? 10.35.29 # adi : i'm not in deal but it's the good one 10.35.34 # ;) 10.35.41 # adi|dads: two things, the initial text says the names are below the designs when they're above now, and I think it should mention which image is back/front 10.35.47 # * adi|dads nods 10.35.54 # i know about the nameing issue.. 10.35.57 # was the layout.. 10.36.01 # let me fix.. make correct 10.36.06 # * adi|dads thanks bobTHC 10.38.42 # A last question about teh wps usb bug. shall I send a mail to ml about it? 10.39.07 # please do 10.39.15 # curretly I have not the time to search and fix it 10.40.23 # I like #12 - it has my name listed :-) twice :-)) 10.41.10 # hehe, elinenbe is listed twice too on that one 10.44.09 Quit rwood () 10.45.13 # I like the #5 because it's mine ;) 10.45.51 # Linus come on irc this day? 10.46.36 # he usually comes every day 10.47.58 # it's about my obsession, I found some infos on time strechting ;) 10.49.31 # http://phobos.ramapo.edu/~rhak/tshirts/designs.html 10.49.37 # see if thats better... 10.49.46 # but without any idea for "how to code for the DSP core " it's just infos... 10.52.03 # oof 10.52.11 # forgot to check the travel charger specs :( 10.52.12 # what oof? 10.52.17 # hehe oh 10.52.22 # damn, have to do it later tonight then 10.52.33 # Thanks... 10.52.52 # would be good for the battery faq 10.52.56 # hehe i like the new quote 10.53.00 # "Unjtil now all seems to have been done ! Nothing is too hard to program for the 10.53.00 # RockBox Staff ! 10.53.01 # " 10.53.16 # Midy just became my buddy :) 10.55.31 # anyone seen Devos battery life question? 10.58.28 # lol... we're getting requests to firmware for other archos projects.. i love it 11.02.18 # okay.. tshirt page updated... 11.27.42 Join Blaster_Master [0] (~noone@firewall.scribona.com) 11.31.02 # Plotting the Waveform On The screen of the recorder can be useful ? 11.32.01 # it isn't possible 11.32.44 # is it posible to make a "moving equilalizer (pardon my lousy spelling)", the chars is there for it (saw them in the research notes) .. LCD char 0x80 to 0x86 ?? 11.33.07 # what is a "moving equilalizer" ? 11.33.19 # VU bars, on the player 11.33.28 # I don't think it is possible 11.33.36 # at least not the same way as done on recorders 11.33.37 # with ascii art 11.33.38 # YES ! like on my stereo, a moving line sertain freq. areas 11.34.03 # the MAS on recorders have readable registers for that sort of thing that the player version doesn't offer 11.34.18 # Bagder i made the battery faq and the general faq look the same 11.34.19 # no headers 11.34.20 # take a look @ and tell me if that can help us http://www.dspdimension.com/html/funstuff.html 11.34.26 # adi|dads: ok 11.34.54 # bobTHC: how would that help us? 11.35.06 # we don't have the sound data, only mp3 data 11.35.10 # i think it's a problem of float buffer 11.35.20 # no, there's a lack of data 11.35.23 # we'd have to decode the mp3 in software, which is simply not possible 11.36.27 # cvs -z3 -d:ext:adiamas@cvs.rockbox.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/rockbox add docs 11.36.29 # the mas doesn't feed nothing apart of sound ? 11.36.33 # that should add a docs dir no? 11.36.54 # adi|dads: no you need to create a 'docs' module 11.37.00 # bobTHC: we feed it mp3, it creates sound 11.37.37 # ok and no feedback datas ? 11.37.47 # only on the recorder mas 11.37.58 # and only left/right 11.38.02 # yes 11.38.08 # the two famous register for vumeter 11.38.50 # Zagor: you game on adding a 'docs' module for things like the FAQ? 11.39.04 # ok, everyone. what bugs do we have left for 1.3? 11.39.11 # Bagder: sure 11.39.18 # Zagor: mbr's wps/usb bug 11.39.26 # * adi|dads beats Bagder over the head 11.39.27 # Zagor: possibly the resume-all-dir-with-shuffle 11.39.30 # don't you think i asked first ;) 11.39.36 # * Bagder hides 11.39.42 # Bagder: didn't you fix that? 11.39.45 # adi|dads: use 'cvs import' 11.39.51 # or shall I? 11.39.59 # nah.. ill get it.. 11.40.03 # * adi|dads needs to learn cvs ;) 11.40.13 # adi|dads: import an empty dir, then use 'add' to add the specify files 11.40.19 # * adi|dads nods 11.40.23 # that seems odd.. 11.40.26 # and diff from the docs 11.40.31 # docs say just to 'add' 11.40.33 # no 11.40.42 # it says add in case you have a module checked out 11.40.49 # and in the root, you have no module 11.41.02 # the modules are 'firmware' 'app' 'tools' etc 11.41.04 # got ya 11.41.28 # so you need to create a new "module" named docs 11.41.45 # * matsl preparing for player simulator icons checkin 11.42.06 # matsl: cool! 11.42.10 # Zagor: perhaps we should do the terrible... feature freeze? ;-) 11.42.12 # Bagder: I have a small makefile problem 11.42.33 # 'man make' ;-) 11.42.36 # * Bagder grins 11.42.42 # nah, what is the prob? 11.42.50 # so "cvs import -b root -m "inital creation" docs"? 11.43.01 # Bagder: I feel like we already have it, but fixing the simulator is not really a "feature" IMHO 11.43.17 # I'm holding off a lot of fixes to get 1.3 out first 11.43.36 # a more-or-less complete wps.c rewrite, for instance :-) 11.43.47 # adi|dads: 'cvs import -m "initial creation" docs adi first' 11.43.50 # I have a subdirr to common where I have put the icons. I build headerfiles for each icon and use them in my simulator code. 11.43.56 # okay... close :) 11.44.21 # Bagder: Should I squeeze in this build in the overall build or checkin the icon headerfiles? 11.44.27 # adi|dads: then it imports all files in your "current dir" 11.45.02 # matsl: icon header files? aren't they C files? 11.45.41 # grrr.. i try that Bagder and it just complains and dumps the usage list 11.45.52 # cvs import -m "initial creation" docs adi 11.45.57 # s/adi/adiamas 11.46.08 # adi|dads: one more argument is needed 11.46.13 # "releasetag" 11.46.21 # cvs import -m "initial creation" docs adi blaha 11.46.32 # what is a releasetag? 11.46.39 # i mean, whats its purpose? 11.46.52 # Bagder: sort of. Since I do (example) "include icons/battery.h" I named them .h 11.47.04 # adi|dads: it tags the imported file with that specified tag 11.47.14 # adi|dads: just a named label on the imported version 11.47.18 # okay 11.47.50 # matsl: you should not put C code in .h files 11.48.17 # Bagder: include "icons/bitmap.c" looks ugly 11.48.30 # don't include it. compile it. 11.48.37 # no data in .h files. ever. 11.49.08 # matsl: just put all icons in the C file, that's how we have the recorder ones 11.49.20 # * matsl thinking he was close to checkin .. 11.49.39 # hehehe, that was before the Code Police struck down ;-) 11.49.53 # CVSROOT should be /home/rhak/src/rockbox/ correct? 11.49.57 # or rockbox/CVSROOT? 11.50.03 # in the env 11.50.25 # * Zagor runs apt-get install openoffice.org 11.50.33 # adi|dads: it should be the full user@cvs...:/cvsroot/rockbox 11.50.37 # Bagder: I have it (semi) automatic. Edit the bmp file and just make 11.50.47 # ahh.. k 11.50.59 # matsl: so, make separate .c files and compile them 11.51.11 # or concatenate them 11.51.45 # Bagder: I get the message. 11.51.47 # that was my prob :) wrong CVSROOT 11.51.52 Quit Blaster_Master () 11.51.56 Join Blaster_Master [0] (~noone@firewall.scribona.com) 11.52.04 # hmm.. taht _can't_ be right 11.52.11 # its trying to load all the other dirs into ti 11.52.17 # * matsl need lunch before fiddling with makefiles ... 11.52.29 # adi|dads: I told you to do it in an empty dir... 11.52.45 # oh.. hehe i thought i just needed the target to be an empty dir... 11.52.51 # hehe 11.52.52 # i stoped before it commited ;) 11.53.04 # it imports all files and dirs recursively in your current dir 11.53.12 # got ya... 11.53.31 # and no, it isn't the most user-friendly tool ;-) 11.53.43 # im noticing ;) 11.53.43 # * Blaster_Master must feeeeed 11.54.05 # okay.. i get "No conflicts created by this import" and it shows in the tree.. 11.54.15 # do i need to create a CVS dir inside the empty dir now? 11.54.36 Quit PiotR (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.55.02 # no, you should be able to do the import directly from your empty dir by using the -d option or having CVSROOT set 11.55.15 # no.. i mean.. the import worked... 11.55.19 # ah 11.55.23 # the docs dir is in the tree now 11.55.32 # then you go to your normal rockbox root and checkout it 11.55.34 # just not sure if i need another step before i add files 11.55.38 # okay 11.55.49 # possibly just update if you checkedout . before 11.56.16 # cvs checkout: in directory docs: 11.56.16 # cvs checkout: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory 11.56.16 # cvs server: Updating docs 11.56.17 # ? 11.57.26 Join PiotR [0] (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) 12.00.45 # Bagder: the lunch made me think properly. I'll just manually cut-n-paste the darn icons into the .c-files. (and keep the icons folder for future improvements.) 12.03.03 # I have two icons not accounted for yet. ICON_1 and ICON_REPEAT. How do they look? Need I boot with arhos firmware? 12.06.30 # * matsl thinks everybody has gone to lunch. (Why don't they work from the kitchen as me ;-) 12.07.21 # * adi|dads smirks 12.07.29 # im working on going to bed here.. 12.07.38 # its 0600 est 12.07.45 # wuss ;) 12.07.58 # thats what... hmm.. 13:00 Zulu? 12.08.03 # * adi|dads nods happily 12.08.05 # damn right ;) 12.08.17 # now that im at my father.. all nighters a shuned on ;) 12.08.24 # hehe 12.08.29 # Zagor, i created a 'docs' directory in the root, 12.08.34 # but i don't know what to do from there.. 12.08.44 # mind taking a look at the cvs and see what i need to fix/screwe dup? 12.09.44 # sure 12.10.02 # well, what's the problem? 12.10.55 # well.. i don't see a CVS dir below it... 12.10.57 Quit mbr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.11.04 # i did the import.. not sure what to do after it. 12.11.13 # ah. remove it and check it out again 12.11.21 # * adi|dads is still new to CVS ;) 12.11.24 # okay.. 12.11.49 # hehe cool :) 12.12.14 # what i figured made sense is to have a README in each main branch.. pointing to the docs directory and its README 12.12.16 # what do you think? 12.12.28 # sounds good 12.16.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.25.58 # the FILES files... should those list the files in the actual dir? or is *.[ch] acceptable 12.26.06 # seeing as we are doing *.[ch] 12.26.15 # seems kinda pointless if we don't list the actual files 12.26.42 # it's used for the release script, to select which files should be included in the tarball 12.27.16 # got ya... 12.32.23 Quit Blaster_Master () 12.32.27 Join Blaster_Master [0] (~noone@firewall.scribona.com) 12.34.58 # Zagor if i update the Makefile under www/docs/ to reference the root /docs will it take on your side 12.35.05 # or do you need to change somethng manually? 12.37.22 # how do you mean reference? 12.37.34 # think: ../../docs/FAQ 12.38.32 Join mbr [0] (~mb@stlx01.stz-softwaretechnik.de) 12.38.38 # ah. well I need to check out the docs module first 12.38.51 # nods 12.38.53 # take a look :) 12.39.18 # ive basically just copied files over... and added correct info to the other readme's wehre needed 12.39.51 # btw.. how would 'docs/' be added to the package for release? 12.39.56 # anything special need to be done? 12.40.48 # yes, you should add a FILES file to the docs dir 12.40.58 # okay.. thats done already 12.41.05 # ok, that should be enough 12.41.36 # any prob with me correcting the Makefile in www/docs then? 12.41.40 # btw, you can't reference like you intended 12.41.48 # hmmm.. how come? 12.42.32 # because I have the www checked out as html root, so there's already a docs dir in there. i'll have to do a fix 12.42.44 # is that a problem for you? 12.42.51 # hang on.. 12.42.54 # * adi|dads doesnt want to be more a headache then possible 12.46.55 # adi|dads: refer to ../docs_ instead. that way they don't collide 12.47.54 # is docs_ going to be mapped to ROOT/docs on your side? 12.47.59 # and be parsed out? 12.48.08 # * adi|dads thinks he's missing something 12.48.27 # yes 12.48.39 # because my root is www/, not ROOT 12.48.45 # ahh.. okay... 12.48.54 # so i do ../../docs_ and you are okay? 12.49.04 # no, use ../docs_ 12.49.07 # only one level down 12.49.09 # up 12.49.10 # okay 12.49.11 # whatever :-) 12.50.06 # okay.. done :) 12.50.52 # adi|dads: A36, wrong spelling of together ;-) 12.50.58 # hehe k 12.51.16 # and it's BATTERY-FAQ, not BATTERY 12.51.40 # it is? 12.51.45 # i renamed it 12.51.52 # aha 12.51.53 # better explaination of the file 12.51.55 # you can't. this is CVS :-) 12.52.02 # assuming we build other faqs along the line 12.52.03 # hehe 12.52.05 # sure i can ;) 12.52.09 # its a new file in a new dir 12.52.11 # yes, it is a better name 12.52.41 # well I still only have BATTERY-FAQ in docs_ 12.52.57 # i know.. im fixing the makefile :) 12.53.15 # do we have any pages pointed at battery.html (other then faq.html?) 12.53.16 # * matsl relaxes with coffe after icons for player is checked in 12.53.22 # adi|dads: no 12.53.30 # it hasn't been made "official" 12.53.45 # matsl: nice to see the commits! 12.54.00 # Bagder: Some minor glitches though! 12.54.14 # in that case, mind if i rename battery.t to battery-faq.t? 12.54.28 # adi|dads: certainly not, please go ahead 12.54.32 # k 12.55.47 # Bagder: Two unknown icons. ICON_REPEAT and ICON_1. How do they look. Can I find them in archos firmware? 12.56.05 # I don't know, I don't have a player 12.57.05 # Bagder: Another glitch. Scroll down to the bottom in a menu and you get an arrow to the left on last icon line. 12.57.17 # hehe 12.57.18 Quit Blaster_Master () 12.57.21 # boooo :-) 13.00.42 # okay.. i think that does it... 13.00.57 # Zagor, wanna try a reload of the faq stuff? 13.01.58 # ok 13.02.56 # does it make sense to leave a copy of the file COPYING in firmware/ ? 13.03.02 # yes 13.03.06 # just in case ppl don't dl'd docs/ 13.03.08 # okay... 13.03.25 # i removed API CONFIG CONTRIBUTING and CREDITS 13.03.29 # those are all in /docs now 13.03.38 # unless you want them back 13.03.58 # nah. COPYING is special, since it's the license. it should be prominently displayed. 13.04.12 # * adi|dads nods 13.04.14 # thats what i figured 13.04.39 # ok, web updated 13.05.47 # the battery link in the faq is wrong now ;-) 13.06.38 # im fixing it now ;) 13.06.43 # contributing was wrong as well ;) 13.07.13 # I'll make a minor fix for txt2plain.pl too 13.07.19 # k.. 13.07.20 # ty 13.07.41 # hopefully all this makes life a bit easier as we continue to grow (*and hopefuly document more ;) ) 13.07.50 # okay.. FAQ corrected ;) 13.09.21 # * Bagder thinks the docs_ stuff is a bit annoying but can live with it 13.09.38 # hmmm odd... 13.09.53 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/firmware/CONTRIBUTING 13.09.54 # works 13.09.55 # but 13.10.02 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/CONTRIBUTING 13.10.04 # doesn't... 13.11.21 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/cvs.html 13.11.32 # can someone look at that link and tell me if the menu to the left is broken? 13.11.39 # mn 13.11.41 # im stupid 13.11.53 # nm even 13.12.49 # mbr rocks! 13.12.59 # as I said, the web page root is not ROOT so it's not an exact copy of the cvs structure 13.13.56 # nods 13.17.14 # how often do we poll the keyboard? 13.17.28 # 20Hz 13.17.33 # ok 13.18.12 # and that awakes on an irq, right? 13.18.41 # yes 13.18.45 # the tick 13.18.48 # * Bagder still thinks of the SLEEP 13.18.50 # The FAQ links to http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail.cgi 13.18.52 # which is incorrect 13.19.46 # Bagder: will you look at why the win32sim compile doesn't find the files? 13.20.02 # uh 13.20.06 # sure 13.20.34 # good catch.. fixing 13.20.45 # why do I sense that matsl left out the win32 makefile? ;-) 13.21.03 # Bagder: because he did 13.21.05 # matsl: looks good! 13.21.13 # naughty boy! ;-) 13.21.15 # ahh. :-) 13.21.33 # matsl: 17 red 13.21.42 # FAQ fixed 13.21.43 # now go stand in the corner! ;-) 13.22.00 # zagor.. can you do another make, i want to see if the Contributing.t i added goes through... 13.22.07 # adi|dads: ok 13.22.09 # I had to edit those pixmaps with paint. I thought windows got enough focus through that exercise. 13.22.22 # adi|dads: done 13.22.36 # matsl: we don't care for windows, we just care for a green build ;-) 13.22.56 # heheh 13.24.28 # zag.. did anything on that build fail? 13.24.44 # nm, 13.24.46 # nope 13.24.52 # Bagder: You fix, or shall I? 13.25.00 # I fix 13.25.30 # just seems that the faq.html wasn't updated 13.25.41 # i can get to contributing.html manually.. 13.25.45 # Bagder: Sorry for the misshap. I was too excited that I finally could check in. Forgot all about w32. 13.25.50 # correct, it wasn't 13.25.54 # ahh.. okay 13.25.57 # no worries 13.26.03 # nm then.. no worries ;) 13.26.27 # Bagder: All little red somtimes inidicates that things are happening ;-) 13.26.43 # hehe 13.26.48 Quit bobTHC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.26.50 # okay.. so we have a basic docs dir now... 13.27.03 # its a bit fuzzy to get stuff to ref it from the web, but it works.. :) 13.27.21 # * matsl still in the corner ... 13.27.34 # matsl whats your real name? 13.27.36 # can i please, please go back now to my machine? 13.27.40 # need to add you to the irc id list 13.27.52 # matsl: uh, how do I get the .h files ? 13.28.16 # Bagder: What? 13.28.23 # In file included from lcd-win32.h:24, 13.28.23 # from uisw32.h:24, 13.28.23 # from button.c:21: 13.28.23 DBUG Enqueued KICK Bagder 13.28.23 # ../../firmware/drivers/lcd.h:50: sim_icons.h: No such file or directory 13.28.35 # adi|dads: /whois matsl :) 13.28.44 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 13.28.44 # * matsl Mats Lidell 13.28.44 # aaah 13.28.45 # sorry 13.28.48 # * Bagder is blind 13.28.55 # Bagder: -I../common 13.29.10 # right 13.29.23 # heheh 13.29.31 # Bagder: No problem, you can borrow my white stick 13.29.48 # * matsl don't need stick in the corner 13.30.01 # matsl: this is an open channel.. don't be perverse ;) 13.30.02 # =) 13.30.10 # what you two do in your own time is your own buisness ;) 13.30.31 # * adi|dads wonders who else needs to be added to the irc nick list 13.30.53 # mbr 13.31.16 # rwood, hes, matp, Hadake 13.31.16 # with the exception of zag, linus and bag.. should i alphabetize that list? 13.31.28 # sounds like a good idea 13.31.33 # k 13.31.40 # been a long time since Wavey was around 13.31.41 # adi|dads: are the lcd icons working? 13.32.46 # have to do that latter... fathers up.. need to run :) 13.32.48 # later all 13.32.48 Quit adi|dads () 13.33.27 # MeRWiN: do you mean in the simulator? 13.33.47 # Bagder: I seem to have woken up some warnings as well in status.c. 13.33.49 # Zagor: The custom icons... those new bitmaps that were added into cvs 13.34.01 # yes, they work 13.34.07 # matsl: yes 13.34.18 # MeRWiN: they're only for the player sim, not the target 13.34.32 # they're not the ones adi's been working on 13.34.36 # Bagder: darn. 13.34.44 # matsl: just add a default case and they will go away 13.35.39 # Zagor: I just wonder why they show upp. I just included an include file. Sounds sceary. 13.36.04 # no you also enabled status display in player simulator 13.36.05 # blah, how do I make convert make a 8bit tmp from a monocrome gif? 13.36.11 # 8bit bmp 13.36.22 # you removed an "&& !defined(SIMULATOR)" 13.36.29 # Zagor: Hmm... I guess your right! 13.36.37 # or shall I bug matsl to make bmp2rb work with 1bit bmps? ;-) 13.37.09 # :-) 13.37.11 # tempting... 13.37.14 # Bagder: 8 bit bmp from a monochrome gif? paintshop :) 13.37.16 # :-P 13.37.58 # one would think that convert -depth 8 would do it 13.38.03 # but it doesn't 13.38.47 # * MeRWiN is on his way to work. ttyl. 13.38.48 # bmp2br needs to have monochrome bitmaps with 256 palette. 13.38.49 Quit MeRWiN () 13.38.49 # http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/usb_tuned.gif <= dwino's USB icon 13.39.22 # it's cool 13.39.39 # it is 13.39.51 # My best solution so far is to use paint (juck) 13.41.28 # surely gimp can to it too 13.42.33 # Probably but how? All my attempts so far has failed. 13.42.53 # ah, I'll patch bmp2rb soonish 13.43.07 # hmm 13.43.17 # what do you want to do exactly? 13.43.31 # convert a gif to a 8bit bmp 13.43.38 # the gif uses only two colors 13.43.55 # so most tools make a 1-bit bmp 13.44.05 # heh 13.44.18 # lemme see such a gif 13.44.20 # ... which is smarter I must agree ;-) 13.44.27 # is http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/usb_tuned.gif one? 13.44.30 # yes 13.44.32 # we must fix the resume-in-shuffled dir bug. 13.44.41 # Zagor: you tried it now? 13.44.59 # I made a correction this morning that at least is in the neighbourhood 13.45.08 # tried it 13.45.23 # ok, then the index is probably wrong 13.45.52 # ah it is 13.46.00 # play_list() needs to return the new index 13.46.10 # after shuffle 13.46.23 # hm 13.46.34 # or... 13.46.43 # does that really help? 13.46.55 # no 13.47.06 # in one case it gets the index in the list before shuffle 13.47.16 # and in the other case it gets the index after shuffle 13.47.23 # that's the problemo 13.47.33 # huh 13.47.35 # gimp saves it as 13.47.36 # usb_tuned.bmp: PC bitmap data, Windows 3.x format, 100 x 32 x 1 13.47.43 # even when i tell it to make a 256 color palette... 13.49.13 # yeah... the only way i can get it to save it 8bit is by adding another color to the image 13.49.22 # Zagor: or you with me? 13.49.34 # PsycoXul: never mind, I'll improve our tool instead 13.49.39 # umm, no. looking at other stuff. 13.50.47 # Zagor: Are the STATUS_FASTFORWARD et al states only applicable for the recorder? 13.50.54 # yes 13.50.58 # aha 13.51.13 # but they're still used in player code, so just add a default: to the switch 13.51.35 # just addedas we write!? 13.51.51 # ? 13.52.05 # |addedas|added as| 13.52.26 # status.c:123 13.52.34 # |write|talk| 13.52.44 # Its checked in!!! 13.52.49 # oh, ok 13.52.57 # goodie 14.03.43 # * matsl relaxes as the green lights are there again 14.04.16 # it "almost" works with 1bit bmp now ;-) 14.05.23 # Bagder: Will it be backwards compatible with 256 color palettes as well? 14.05.28 # sure 14.05.56 # thanks. I didn't look forward to reformatting them again. 14.06.02 # hehe 14.06.12 # it'll be useful to support both 14.06.50 # Zagor: Do you know anything about the ICON_REPEAT and ICON_1. Such as how they look? 14.07.32 # no 14.08.33 # Bagder: why did you say it wasn't alright to simply return playlist.index? 14.08.34 # I'm a bit feed up with the simulator icons at the moment. Are there any other interesting things around for 1.3? 14.09.02 # matsl: only bug fixes. I want to get it out asap 14.09.20 # Something I can help you with? 14.10.06 # try to find bugs, mainly 14.10.30 # You'r saying ..... testing? 14.10.45 # wooooorks 14.10.52 # matsl: hehe. yes 14.11.53 # Zagor: ok. I'll see what i can do. 14.13.00 # found a playback bug 14.13.31 # when searching to the end of a song, so the next song is loaded, skipping to the next makes the first 3-4 seconds repeat once 14.14.11 # very repeatable 14.14.16 # where is linus? 14.14.34 # * Bagder searches for Linus in the channel.. HELLOOOOOO? 14.14.43 # logbot seen linus 14.14.52 # buh, i'm not trusted :-) 14.14.53 # linusn 14.15.01 # hehe 14.15.04 >>> "seen" used by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented] 14.15.08 # logbot seen linusn 14.15.14 # no go :) 14.15.27 # -logbot- linusn (~linus@labb.contactor.se) left the channel 21 hours and 48 minutes ago 14.15.27 # Question about fate of prop fonts. Will they disappear and be part of loadable fonts? 14.15.37 # mbr: yes 14.15.46 # ok 14.16.21 # we'll only keep a small "emergency font" for error messages before the font is loaded 14.16.46 # morning all... bug found on recorder 6k: when you fast forward let's say 30 seconds. The status bar moves ahead, and then jumps back to where you started the fast forward from, and then jumps to where you fastforwarded to. 14.16.51 # morning elinenbe 14.16.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.17.09 # elinenbe: I just saw that too. fixing... 14.18.02 # Badger: 14.18.05 # Badger: "store the correct index in the resume info when we fire up a single song in a 14.18.05 # directory 14.18.13 # great fix!!! I love it! 14.18.14 # I know it doesn't work 14.18.23 # it worked? 14.18.32 # doesn't work for me... 14.18.38 # oh... I have yet to try it. I am just reading the CVS. 14.18.44 # aah 14.18.50 # hehe 14.18.53 # but it is a feature I was hoping would be implemented. 14.18.56 # I have a hard time deciding on how to make the fix the best way 14.19.21 # Bagder: why did you say it wasn't alright to simply return playlist.index? 14.20.01 # Zagor: I was wrong, the problem is that play_list() is sometimes called with a start index that is before the shuffle and sometimes with an index for after the shuffle 14.20.45 # in resume, it is after-shuffle index but when playing a dir it is before-shuffle 14.21.41 # right 14.22.34 # so, shall I splap on yet another parameter to the function? or do you have a better suggestion? 14.22.52 # hmm, the resume works fine in the simulator but not in target... 14.23.09 # wait a bit so I can sort this out in my head... 14.23.14 # sure 14.25.47 # a most excellent site: http://www.imaging-resource.com/ACCS/BATTS/BATTS.HTM 14.27.07 # now it's very simple to convert that usb image into C code 14.29.26 Quit pyvasene (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.29.28 Join pyvasene_ [0] (~pyvasene@ns1.alcove-solutions.com) 14.29.36 Nick pyvasene_ is now known as pyvasene (~pyvasene@ns1.alcove-solutions.com) 14.36.20 # Zagor: You wanted bugs? 14.36.33 # no he wanted them fixed ;-) 14.37.03 # We must find them before we can fix them or? 14.37.13 # if you want ;-) 14.37.17 # I've got two bugs in wps player. 14.37.46 # hey, someone could try edx's test mp3s too 14.37.55 # rockbox.haxx.se/mp3/edx/ 14.38.05 # they're HUGE 14.38.23 # Current play time can at times be garbage. 14.39.02 # Volume change display in wps gets a short blink of the second line before it displays steady. 14.39.07 # I'll add the imaging-resource link to the battery FAQ 14.39.29 # been reading that site before when shopping for digital cameras (ended up with Canon S30), it rocks 14.39.43 # Hes: you did notice that it changed place, the faq, right? 14.40.01 # * Bagder has the older S20 14.41.18 # Yes 14.41.45 # already added Q13 in the new location 14.41.55 # oh 14.41.56 # ;-) 14.42.04 # * Bagder is a bit behind 14.43.00 Join nsauzede [0] (gizz@lyon-2-a7-62-147-21-54.dial.proxad.net) 14.43.53 # * nsauzede greets everybody 14.44.06 # * Bagder bows for nsauzede 14.44.36 # bagder: hi; I wonder if m3u support is not broken in recent cvs.. 14.44.51 # it is? 14.44.59 # like how? 14.45.05 # well, can you try now on a player ? 14.45.13 # no I can't 14.45.16 # that's why I ask 14.45.19 # ok, 14.45.25 # I just tried now : 14.45.34 # have a directory of mp3, 14.45.39 # nsauzede: I'm listening to it now. 14.46.12 # bagder : I made : "find The\ Cure/ -name *.mp3 > cure.m3u" 14.46.48 # bagder: then, I simply press play on the m3u, and it displays some strange things 14.47.13 # and that same playlist worked before? 14.48.08 # well, I rolo the 1.2 release, 14.48.20 # try the same m3u, and it works ! 14.48.40 # ok 14.49.15 # Bagder: will you look at it? 14.49.26 # well, ok.. 14.49.42 # else, I found the following behaviour : 14.50.17 # when listening to music, either play or pause, 14.50.51 # if you plug USB, then playing is stopped, but icons (play|pause,audio) remain displayed.. 14.50.53 # Zagor: I'm not very into how all that playlist stuff has been made so I think you're better fitted for this 14.51.03 # ok 14.51.34 # problem is that some icons are refreshed directly in tree.c, other are in status.c 14.51.36 # btw, was there never any 1.2 cvs tag? 14.51.50 # there was 14.52.21 # v1_2 14.52.32 # thanks 14.52.38 # icons : but is it possible to modify icons in the USB thread ?? 14.53.19 # nsauzede: player icons yes, recorder no 14.53.40 # why? 14.55.11 # zagor : humm, do you think it's appropriate to sweep mpeg icons in USB thread, when USB_CONNECTED sig is received ? 14.55.23 # mpeg icons? 14.55.39 # well, mpeg.c related (play/pause, audio 14.55.58 # no I don't 14.56.09 # there will be multiple locations taking care of icons 14.56.26 # yes 14.56.46 # that is not a problem 14.57.28 # ok.. 14.58.17 # zagor : one suggestion about resume delayed-write.. 14.58.26 # ok? 14.58.48 # zagor : you told us to press pause before power of right ? 14.58.53 # yes 14.59.34 # but what about catching the stop press before it effectively powers off, then, write the cache ? 14.59.50 # too fast ? 14.59.54 # we can't. the shutoff is done in hardware, not software 15.00.06 # yes, but it takes about a second ? 15.00.19 # so we could flush the sector 61 in the meanwhile ? 15.00.32 # no. spinning up the disk takes several seconds. 15.00.37 # oops 15.00.59 # and no way to cancel the stop press right.. 15.01.06 # right 15.01.36 # on recorder, I catch the OFF press and save to RTC. but on player we don't have time to spin up the disk 15.02.05 # zagor: ok; is the current cvs playlist-WPS really different from the 1.2 one ? 15.02.23 # yes 15.02.53 # 1.2 had wps.c version 1.51. we are now at version 1.85... 15.03.07 # because as I told before, playing M3U with current cvs is broken, and displays numbers instead of ID3 tags... 15.03.17 # (for me at least :) 15.03.36 # have you updated recently? 15.03.39 # m3u is not broken, it works for many people. maybe some special aspect of it bugs. 15.03.58 # bagder: I update more than once a day this time :) 15.04.11 # zagor : that's what I meant :) 15.04.12 # the wps got new settings the other day so if you've lived on the edge, you may want to check the wps config 15.04.46 # the player wps config that is 15.04.51 # Bagder: does resume work for you? 15.05.00 # I can test 15.05.02 # can't 15.05.14 # don't have it there? 15.05.31 # well, I didn't update today so my version is like ~36 hours old 15.05.35 # oh 15.05.38 # waaaay old 15.05.41 # ;-) 15.06.03 # and it works on this version 15.06.04 # * Zagor squints at Bagder. Old timer... 15.07.11 # off-topic: zagor&bagder, are you from the same family ? ;) 15.07.18 Join edx [0] (OKE60@pD9EABC9C.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.07.22 # yes. we are brothers. 15.07.28 # hi 15.07.28 # ook. 15.07.35 # hi edx! 15.07.41 # FAQ - Frequently Asked Battery Questions ... should that be FABQ then? 8-) 15.07.48 # :) 15.09.16 # zagor : if I d/l the last daily build, should M3u working for me ? 15.09.39 # they "should" always work 15.09.40 # i don't know. I haven't found your problem yet. 15.09.42 # help my English: is it "stay as you were" or rather "stay like you were" or even "stay like you have been" - I have no idea here 15.10.35 # all three sound strange :-) 15.10.45 # really 15.10.49 # how would you say? 15.11.20 # what are you trying to say? 15.11.51 # Hes: Question about charger_inserted(). It reports inserted even when I plug the charger to archos and NOT to power line. 15.12.06 # thats just for some crappy English homework translation... like a person is supposed to stay like she has been before.. 15.12.35 # well you can't stay like you were before 15.12.41 # you stay as you are 15.12.42 # mbr: is that on the player? 15.12.46 # or become what you were before 15.12.49 # No, recorder 15.12.50 # Bagder: true... 15.13.09 # Interesting. 15.13.12 # Hes: it also reports External 0 in debug menu 15.13.17 # Zagor: did you notice the two bugs I reported? (There was a lot of noice at the moment.) 15.13.20 # bool charger_inserted(void) 15.13.20 # { 15.13.20 # #ifdef ARCHOS_RECORDER 15.13.20 # return adc_read(ADC_EXT_POWER) > 0x100; 15.13.20 # #else 15.13.22 # return (PADR & 1) == 0; 15.13.24 # #endif 15.13.27 # } 15.13.44 # It should be measuring the EXT_POWER there. 15.14.17 # And if it reports external 0 in the debug menu, charger_inserted should definetely return 0. 15.14.30 # matsl: I think I missed them 15.14.52 # Hes: When no power line i get 0.00-0.02V for external power, when plugged to powerline it is at 5.37-5.38V 15.15.21 # zagor : m3u broken : was my fault, it works with daily build 15.15.34 # nsauzede: oh good. thanks. 15.15.36 # Zagor: When changeing volume in wps one line id3 the second line blinks once before the volume display is stable. 15.15.46 Join bobTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.15.47 # Zagor: Minor thing maybe. 15.15.48 # Maybe 0x100 is too low. It used to be 0x200 but that sometimes returned false just after charging was enabled on empty batteries and the ext voltage went down. 15.16.04 # I'll try to adjust that a little. 15.16.18 # Hes: no wait. my fault! 15.16.24 # Zagor: The time-played can contain garbage. 15.16.43 # Had some electrons left in the charger, sorry 15.16.52 # matsl: when does that happen? 15.17.02 # mbr: Heheh. 15.17.29 Quit Lowfiler (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.17.41 # Just had rockbox charge the stock 1500 mAh batteries to 5.8v. 15.17.48 Join Lowfiler [0] (H@p5085F31A.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.17.49 # Zagor: I'll come back soon with way to get the later problem. 15.17.59 # ok 15.18.24 Join Snorlax [0] (lamamba_@h135n1fls34o883.telia.com) 15.18.41 # bagder: I've seen a bug in the menu scroll display (player) I'll take a look at it 15.19.13 # Hes: what does the Archos firmware charge them to? 15.20.22 # Zagor: pause, next song, play -> garbage 15.21.52 # anybody tried to set volume on a player, while playing a song ? 15.22.02 # elinenbe: I haven't measured the voltages on them during the charging 15.22.12 # that 5.8v is with charger connected 15.22.25 # and they trickle charge so it's not comparable anyway, 15.23.05 # I'm working on tuning the parameters of the charger so that it'd stop charging later but not too late 8-) 15.23.08 # nsauzede: yes 15.23.31 # matsl: for me, it clears 2nd line and disp vol on 1st, 15.23.55 # nsauzede: same for me, second line blinks shortly. Not nice. 15.24.07 # matsl: but then, 1st line fights between volume and ID3 tag :( 15.24.35 # matsl: maybe it would be good to disp vol on 2nd.. 15.25.12 # nsauzede: scroll on first is stopped before so there shouldn't be any problem. 15.26.00 # nsauzede: If first line is used for volume second line could continue to display the play time? 15.26.42 # matsl: well, for me, vol on 1st is a problem, 15.27.17 # matsl: even if scroll is stopped, I can see clearly the voliume level, but for on microsecond only :/ 15.27.54 # nsauzede: Hold down the key you'll see it longer. Try it. 15.28.15 # matsl: I just tried : 15.28.31 # matsl: It blinks ! really... 15.28.41 # Zagor: I'm getting a lot of distortion that I haven't heard before. Known problem? 15.29.11 # matsl: we've had it before, but nobody has reported it since linus' last fix. 15.29.33 # matsl: if you hold down the key, isn't the vol blinking nastily ? 15.30.07 # matsl, u got a player/recorder? 15.30.08 # Bagder: txt2plain suggestion: All lines starting with whitespace gets enclosed in 
. The rest go as normal 
.
15.30.25 #        Snorlax: a player
15.30.40 #        Zagor: execpt the A-line then I guess
15.30.46 #        right
15.31.02 #        uh, no the A-line too. why shouldn't it?
15.31.13 #        nsauzede: no 
15.31.24 #        Zagor: it doesn't start with space, should that be 
 then?
15.31.27 #        yes
15.31.35 #        nsauzede: not that nastily ;-)
15.31.49 #        it'll look very odd to have the first line of the answer as 
 and the rest as 
15.31.56 #        That'd look very odd.
15.32.06 #        Bagder: ok, I explained it poorly
15.32.34 #        I meant all lines that are indented more than the normal indent gets 
 and the rest go as 

15.33.00 #        that way lists and tables are 
 and all body text are 

15.33.01 #        Zagor: and what would the main difference be compared to now?
15.33.10 #        aha
15.33.14 #        now I get you
15.33.19 #        good idea
15.33.32 #        anyone : would that make sense to be able to set volume with combo, when not playing ?? (in browse mode)
15.33.56 #        I was disapointed not being able to do it, but maybe I'm a fool..
15.33.57 #        Zagor: so "normal" indent is 4 or 5 initial spaces, right?
15.34.11 #        nsauzede: why would you? we'll want those keys for other things then, I think
15.34.30 #        you mean, MENU+plus, for instance ?
15.34.39 #        Bagder: yes. optimally, it's "the same indent as the Q text starts at"
15.34.44 #        (as while playing)
15.34.50 #        nsauzede: yes
15.34.52 #        right, I'll have a go and see what I can do
15.35.23 #        zagor: you're probably right ;)
15.35.25 #        Bagder: a new 
 for each paragraph would be nice too, if you can fix that
15.35.33 #        battery A10 for example
15.35.36 #        Zagor: sure
15.36.37 #        bye, all
15.36.40 #        bye
15.36.49 Quit    nsauzede ()
15.36.49 #        cu
15.47.05 Quit    notch|out ()
15.48.44 #        it's perhaps good to make a link to this thread for rockbox install pbhttp://www.funmp3players.com/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=5380&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=Fix+Your+Firmware+Installation+Troubles&forum_title=General+%2D+Jukebox+Player%2FRecorder&M=False&S=True
15.50.03 #        because some people are scared to swap for rockbox..they 'll don't!
15.52.49 #        anybody here done the sound mod on their player?
15.53.06 #        I'm gonna do it in tha weekend
15.57.02 #        no more time for play today ;-( cu
15.57.23 #        bye matsl
15.57.29 Quit    matsl ("Client Exiting")
15.59.07 #        "Yea-I know they want no compensation, but if a Paypal beertab account were set up for'em, I'd happily chip in. :)"
15.59.32 #        some happy voices from the FunMP3Players forum
15.59.45 #        :-)
15.59.52 #        paypal sucks in Sweden though
16.00.00 #        yeah
16.03.12 #        http://storebror.haxx.se/rockbox/docs/faq.html
16.03.22 #        it actually gets a bit more messy
16.03.56 #        yes. we should group it better. just put a 
 before the A line
16.04.34 #        or blockquote the answers, or something
16.05.57 #        well, if we cut the A(num) off it could work
16.06.03 #        look now
16.06.53 #        looks good, I think. can you make just the "Q31:" bold?
16.07.16 #        seems it's mixed : and .
16.07.30 #        yes, that made my script fail at first ;-)
16.08.00 #        A10 is badly formatted too
16.08.03 #        which shows 
16.08.28 #        A17 too
16.08.36 #        the note, yes
16.12.04 #        hm, shall I cut off the letter Q as well?
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16.12.55 #        try it
16.14.07 #        reload
16.14.39 #        looks good
16.14.58 #        I think so too
16.15.05 #        I commit
16.15.33 #        we could play a bit with the css classes too
16.16.00 #        ah. right
16.16.04 #        forgot those
16.16.54 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
16.18.30 Quit    Blaster_Master ()
16.20.19 #        maybe we should even strip the blockquote and handle that in css
16.20.35 #        oh of course
16.21.06 #        I cut them off
16.21.49 #        done
16.22.35 #        Are there links to the battery faq from anywhere else than the end of the FAQ?
16.22.43 #        nope
16.23.42 #        Maybe could add one if it's actually been proof-read already
16.24.12 #        "Here's why the ROCKbox firmware is so much better, I almost want to cry..."
16.24.24 #        :)
16.24.37 #        hehe
16.26.11 #        "7) Did I mention the resume? "
16.26.18 #        that is a killer feature
16.28.35 #        it sure is
16.35.11 #        ok, css updated
16.38.38 #        nice
16.38.49 #        what happened to the index?
16.39.09 #        it looked too crappy ;-)
16.39.20 #        hehe
16.39.51 #        you think we should have it?
16.40.13 #        I don't know. some questions are very long. let's keep it like this for a while and see how it works out
16.40.55 #        yeah
16.41.07 #        I fix the resume stuff now
16.41.16 #        how?
16.41.18 #        I add another parameter to play_list()
16.45.35 Quit    Snorlax ()
16.49.47 #        so, the resume_index must always be the index in a shuffled list, when shuffle is enabled
16.53.15 #        ok. i'll see when you check in :)
16.53.26 #        yes
16.53.38 #        it really isn't complicated
16.53.53 #        it was just a little bit of mixups
16.54.03 #        ok, good
16.54.07 #        hello.  I am going to interrupt this family talk...
16.54.14 #       * Bagder jumps
16.54.18 #        what do you guys think about this idea!
16.54.23 #        http://www.mambox.com/P350.htm
16.54.27 #        check out that page.
16.54.51 #        see how the folders show their indentation like a tree?
16.55.15 #        I figure that would not take up too much room on the screen of the recorder or player (I think it could work on both)
16.55.43 #        we'd have to remember all dirs "up" in the tree
16.56.09 #        I really hope their font isn't that ugly in the real product :-)
16.56.12 #        not really...  just each dir you came from.
16.56.27 #        right
16.56.30 #        those pictures make the device look awful.
16.56.32 #        "Playlist:
16.56.32 #        Up to 999 User Programmable Playlists"
16.56.40 #        haha
16.56.41 #        odd limit
16.57.05 #        so if you are 4 directories down, then you see 4 direcotries at the top of the list.
16.57.26 #        that is a common limit on cell phones and such.  like my cell allows 999 entries in the phone book
16.57.46 #        elinenbe: not a bad idea. we'll need some kind of "header" system for the dir browser but that shouldn't be too hard
16.58.00 #        I think it would make browsing more "intuitive"
16.58.04 #        I don't really see how it would be useful on player though
16.58.47 #        Zagor: does resume work for you in the sim?
17.00.03 #        yes, oddly enough
17.00.36 #        hm, which is the play button?
17.00.44 #        5
17.01.13 #        ah, I didn't have numlock on and then 5 didn't work ;-)
17.01.28 #        :)
17.01.35 #        6 did however give something that wasn't play
17.01.56 #        ok, so random play-dir resume works in my sim
17.02.11 #        commit coming
17.02.38 #        I need to go home and test this out in target as well
17.03.40 #        i'll test right away
17.06.06 #        did the cvs just die?
17.06.20 #        no
17.06.24 #        just got very slow
17.08.04 #        committed
17.08.13 #        updating
17.09.24 #        2000 mAh battery: http://www.budgetbatteries.co.uk/cgi-bin/store/welcome.pl?productid=20334;c=44;l=23
17.10.14 #        ice cream time
17.11.27 #        Bagder: resume seems to work fine. good job.
17.11.33 #        neato
17.17.16 #        when one resumes, does the tree cursor point to the correct file?
17.17.43 #        Zagor: do they ship those batteries to other countries?
17.17.57 #        elinenbe: good q
17.17.57 #        i don't know
17.18.09 #        I guess it doesn't
17.18.20 #        elinenbe: no, tree still goes to root always. 1.4 issue
17.18.29 #        and btw.. what is a normal price for 1800mAh accus?
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17.19.14 #        Zagor: it'll be a chase-the-actual index to get it right, as the resume only knows the shuffled one :-)
17.20.52 #        Hmmm... is anonymous cvs down?  I'm getting a connection refused error
17.21.58 #        it looks like the cvs has problems atm, yes
17.22.30 #        I'm going home, see ya in a while
17.22.33 Part    Bagder
17.26.03 #        Have to leave. cu
17.26.13 #        bye
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17.48.00 #        bye all !
17.48.04 #        bye
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17.54.58 #        the faq url is wrong in the #rockbox info
17.55.00 #        :-)
17.55.43 #        slacker adi :)
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18.21.09 #        hi there.  I am back.
18.21.16 #        :-)  I know I was missed
18.21.21 #        hehe
18.26.12 #        it feels a bit awkward to add an icon to the firmware 
18.26.23 #        should we make it a parameter to the usb stuff?
18.26.37 #        the usb icon
18.27.57 #        i'm not sure. after all, we have fonts. so an usb icon isn't very far fetched.
18.28.06 #        true
18.28.10 #        i mean, it's part of the hardcoded device
18.28.13 #        usb, that is
18.28.17 #        yes
18.29.27 #        I'll have a go at it right now
18.29.30 #        Do you think more icons could be added... like for settings, etc.
18.29.39 #        so it is like the wonderful nokia phones
18.30.33 #        it would be nice to have a settings menu icon, a sound menu icon, etc...
18.30.37 #        Where was Linus today?
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18.30.44 #        i don't know
18.30.49 #        hi
18.30.51 #        hi
18.31.46 #        want to read an intense scientific study?  http://www.msnbc.com/news/796225.asp?pne=msn&cp1=1
18.31.52 #        who would have ever thought that?!?!
18.32.11 #        hah
18.32.40 #        "what is known in the trade as the 'beer-goggle effect' "
18.33.34 #        I liked that line too.
18.35.36 #       * Bagder fixed bmp2rb again
18.41.57 #        umm... I was wandering if it would be interesting to enable multiple lenguages in rockbox menu... but i don't know if it's better to wait until the menu structure is more or less stable or to upgrade it when any change in the menu is made...
18.42.11 #        what do you think about it?
18.42.54 #        it's definitely interesting. I've been thinking about simply defining string macros in header files, one per language
18.43.01 #        i know a lot of spanish people that would like to have rockbox translated in spanish... we are to lazy to translate from spanish
18.44.38 #        then again, a simpler way would be to use a spreadsheet (openoffice) for all the languages and then create header files from that
18.45.00 #        I'd prefer a system without a spreadsheet
18.45.33 #        like perhaps one master "textfile" for english texts that generates templates for other languages
18.45.43 #        with a good (text) file format, a spreadsheet has very few drawbacks
18.45.45 #        and of course deals with updates
18.46.28 #        ummm
18.46.45 #        why not just a file that is [text] [id] for all english phrases
18.47.06 #        then for each language that is used as input and generate a similar for the other languages with the english phrases as comments
18.47.13 #        because it's very nice seeing all the languages when you translate
18.47.31 #        very few people know more than one or max two other languages
18.48.02 #        it's just that a text-format generated from a spread sheet is not very comfortable
18.48.08 #        unless you have the spread sheet
18.48.13 #        because?
18.48.40 #        because it makes pain when we have 16 languages and we get 5 patches for them
18.48.46 #        each will ruin the others
18.49.06 #        since they'll be changes on the same lines
18.49.11 #        only with binary formats
18.49.20 #        no, with text too since they change the same lines
18.49.46 #        do you know openoffice's spreadsheet format?
18.50.10 #        i'm with badger, but i'm not an expert in spreadsheets
18.50.14 #        but I don't *want* to install open office to be able to translate 
18.50.31 #        well, you're not the target audience :-)
18.50.35 #        I think all the languages should be in the firmware.
18.50.47 #        The target audience will probably use excel :)
18.50.56 #        Zagor: well I doubt anyone will want to install 100MB just to translate rockbox ;-)
18.51.19 #        so for a spread sheet format to work, it would need to work with excel too yes
18.51.27 #        you should not choose the lanuguage at compiletime -- it should be an option.  The ipod has about 30 languages built right in.
18.51.29 #        so then it would need a comma or semicolon separated text
18.51.48 #        ... which I dislike...
18.51.55 #        runtime languages use a lot of space, for no reason
18.52.06 #        well, maybe not that much :-)
18.52.13 #        very few people change language in runtime
18.52.49 #        I say we start with compile-time language and maybe if people yap about it we'll see about runtime switching
18.52.58 #        I agree
18.54.07 #        ummm
18.55.06 #        the problem is that the target audience will not compile it, it's more problable that they download it from rockbox website
18.55.13 #        yes
18.55.17 #        and we'll provide all languages
18.55.21 #        ok
18.55.34 #        it'll be easy
18.55.52 #        automated builds rock :-)
18.55.58 #        yes..
18.56.54 #        anyway.. who is going to start doing this?
18.57.00 #        because i could help
18.57.12 #        but i have a lot to do unitl october..
18.57.16 #        until
18.57.29 #        well, we won't do it for 1.3 ;-)
18.57.37 #        :)
18.57.44 #        ok...
18.58.52 #        what about a language.txt on the drive, that has all the languages on it?  Then if you go to the language option in the menu, it will parse that file?
18.59.15 #        it doesn't change anything
18.59.24 #        we still need a language system to generate output from
18.59.43 #        then we can decide later if we want runtime or buildtime or whatever
19.00.03 #        I could imagine a system where we at build-time enabled a few languages out of the available ones
19.01.53 #        now, should the USB logo be centered both ways?
19.02.49 #        yes.
19.03.18 #        why not?
19.03.36 #        well, I was thinking if perhaps the status bar would be there too or something
19.03.45 #        someone commit the newest patch to the CVS.  That is a great patch, but it should be within 4 seconds I think.
19.03.57 #        there is a nice patch on the mailing list.
19.04.59 #        badger: the status bar? i think i've lost something
19.05.17 #        have you seen the status bar?
19.05.53 #        no
19.06.46 #        when did you put it on the firmware?
19.07.54 #        ¿??
19.07.56 #        do you have a recorder?
19.07.59 #        yes
19.08.11 #        well, its been around for quite a while, press f3
19.08.27 #        ahhh
19.08.39 #        sorry
19.08.47 #        i'm tired
19.08.51 #        that status bar
19.08.57 #        sorry
19.09.06 #        you say the top one no?
19.09.42 #        ok
19.10.18 #        i was thinking about another thing
19.12.22 #        HELLO HELLO! :D
19.12.25 Nick    dwihno|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE)
19.12.25 DBUG    Enqueued KICK dwihno
19.12.31 #        Guess what, I'm not gone anymore ;)
19.12.35 #        dwihno: usb logo coming in veeery soon
19.13.00 #        Bagder: YAY! :D
19.13.03 #        *burp*
19.13.20 #        When I got home, I was met by two of my best friends :)
19.13.41 #        Surprises are best served with a chilled coke
19.13.49 #        or a chilled beer :)
19.13.59 #        If it's a Heineken, or Åbro :)
19.14.03 #        Or Steinlager
19.14.08 #        or Norrlands guld
19.14.27 #        Misa like bear
19.14.42 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
19.14.42 #       * Bagder prefers his beers very dark
19.14.48 #       * Zagor hates HTML-only mail
19.14.48 #        Bagder: irish beer?
19.14.58 #        mmmm irish
19.15.17 #        Zagor: me hates html-mails too
19.15.32 #        Bagder: Guinness?
19.15.45 #        guinness is good for you ;-)
19.15.58 #        Guinness is for the brain, what rockbox is for the archos :)
19.16.27 #        i suppose none of you have ever tasted Alhambra especial Beer....
19.16.37 #        that spanish beer is the best one
19.16.40 #        :)
19.17.12 #        not that Guiness in bottles... what is that crap?  -- only cans for Guiness
19.17.33 #        taps
19.19.37 #        wiretap? :)
19.20.04 #        Bagder: you should try Nils Oscar Imperial Stout. Makes Guinness look like Budweiser :)
19.20.07 #        nice-looking usb stuff
19.20.47 #        pause is a bitch
19.22.06 #        Zagor + Bagder = the dynamic recompiling beer duo! :D
19.22.21 #        now read the commit mails ;-)
19.22.32 #        Misa not get commit mails
19.22.45 #        cave man ;-)
19.22.58 #        Please Bagder! Please read out loud, just like when we were kids and listened to the old lady telling stories from the old ages :)
19.24.55 #        no aloud reading :¨¨( *sobs*
19.25.04 #        Modified Files:
19.25.04 #                usb.c 
19.25.04 #        Log Message:
19.25.04 DBUG    Enqueued KICK Bagder
19.25.04 #        Magnus Öman's rocking USB logo is now being put to use.
19.25.11 #        Yay ;D
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19.25.16 #        ROCK!
19.25.18 #        ROCK ROCK ROCK!
19.25.36 #        Bagder: tell me some cool story
19.25.55 #        any chance someone could give me a screen shot of the usb logo just posted about?
19.26.23 #        rock and roll with the logo!
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19.28.06 #        I need your help to give priority to a couple of projects.. 1) write a piece of software to make my (sucky) job easier 2) make a new entry for the t-shirt contest 3) do some (shitty) stuff for my old employer
19.28.06 #        dwihno: I can offer you a binary
19.28.13 #        Bagder: ah, surething
19.28.24 #        http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/
19.28.45 #        Bagder i like how you updated the FAQ parsing script :)
19.28.47 #        much nicer :)
19.29.07 #        you'll notice some editing quirks for you to fix ;-)
19.29.23 #        heheh yeah ;)
19.29.37 #        A10 and A17
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19.31.40 #        a10 i think i fixed.. not sure
19.32.07 #        Bagder: hey, it looks rather cute :)
19.32.10 #        adi|dads: everything that isn't indented at the same with as the Q-line will be put within 
19.32.49 #        well, Zagor edited the CSS too which made it much nicer
19.33.03 #        ah, you meant the USB logo
19.33.07 #        right, it looks neat
19.33.09 #        haha
19.33.10 #        :)
19.33.19 #        css is better too
19.33.26 #        css is your friend
19.33.32 #        can i get a screen shot of the usb logo by anychance lads?
19.33.34 #        we should probably still write "USB Mode" at the bottom of the screen or something
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19.33.46 #        dwihno: didn't you have an url with a gif of it?
19.33.49 #        Zagor: agreed
19.33.53 #        Zagor: ya, w8 a sec
19.33.55 #        zagor/bagder: Hi! I have a Q about cursor in menu..
19.33.58 #        http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/
19.33.58 #        there
19.34.04 #        it's the tuned gif
19.34.06 #        FAQ updated :)
19.37.32 #        zagor/bagder: I can't put cursor to the top..
19.39.53 #        nsauzede: how do you mean? 
19.41.30 #        zagor: I'm doing a patch,
19.41.44 #        zagor: to wrap settintgs menu,
19.41.50 #        ah
19.42.15 #        zagor: it works with prev, but fails with next (can't put cursor to top)
19.42.21 #        ??
19.43.03 #        ../../firmware/usb.h:25: warning: `struct event_queue' declared inside parameter list
19.43.23 #        yuck
19.43.40 #        error error
19.43.47 #        where's that defined?
19.44.05 #        kernel.h
19.44.08 #        yaeh
19.44.10 #        yeah
19.44.14 #        yuoah
19.44.18 #        yizh
19.45.36 #        zagor: I tried : 
19.45.38 #                            /* move to top */
19.45.39 #                            put_cursor(m, 0);
19.45.44 #        So when's the DevCon? :)
19.45.47 #        and where?
19.45.52 #        Misa want DevCon! :D
19.45.55 #        and it crashes the rockbox
19.46.20 #        I have an idea.  If you are playing a song, and then go into USB mode, when you return everything has stopped.  The music should resume :)
19.46.41 #        well, the song might've been removed
19.46.57 #        how about some freaky scratch noise? :)
19.47.11 #        that is true.  It should check to make sure the song is there first :-)
19.47.26 #        Zagor: uh, another little resume note btw, if someone adds a song to a playlist and then resumes... it plays a different song...
19.47.56 #        does that latest patch put it in paus mode after a seek?
19.48.19 #        Bagder: yes. I don't think there's much we should do about that
19.48.27 #        thes little bugs should be documented.
19.48.34 #        yes
19.48.43 #        no, we *could* check the playlist for modification or something...
19.48.58 #        the checksum of the dir/playlist playing should be saved and then checked before loaded.
19.49.02 #        but I think I rather leave it as a "feature"
19.49.20 #        Bagder: yeah, but the only thing we can do is say "playlist modified, abort?"
19.49.30 #        right
19.49.34 #        zagor: well, I'm gonna have a look at my problem; bye! :)
19.49.41 #        what about if files are added ot the directory?
19.49.53 #        right, it'll be the same problem
19.50.20 #        spaghetti and meatballs - yay!
19.52.12 #        any chance someone could give me a screen shot of the usb logo just posted about?
19.52.19 #        Bagder: the usb screen exits on BUTTON_REL :-)
19.52.38 #        you mean the sim one?
19.52.59 #        i guess.. which ever was the one just stated as being 'used now' in cvs :)
19.52.59 #        yes
19.53.15 #        Zagor: sure, it exists on anything the button_get() returns on
19.53.16 #        bug found on recorder 6k: when you fast forward let's say 30 seconds.  The status bar moves ahead, and then jumps back to where you started the fast forward from, and then jumps to where you fastforwarded to.  (happens on rewind too)
19.53.19 #        exits
19.53.36 #        Bagder: yes, but that means you never see it because it exits immediately
19.53.43 #        adi|dads: right, cvs update and check it out on your box :=
19.53.50 #        i can't...
19.53.52 #        Zagor: I saw it perfectly well
19.53.57 #        im hitting my  box remotely...
19.54.00 #        no gui :(
19.54.23 #        http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/usb_tuned.gif
19.54.33 #        ty :)
19.54.36 #        sweet :)
19.54.57 #        Zagor: so fix and be quiet ;-)
19.56.36 #        Bagder: have you updated uisimulator/x11/button-x11.c lately? :-)
19.57.05 #        Zagor: so fix and be quiet ;-)
19.57.10 #        :-)
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19.58.30 #        Zagor.. and reason that manual-1.2 is not in the cvs?
19.58.36 #        cause we have files w/o foot.t again.
19.58.55 #        s/and/any/
19.59.02 #        no reason, just laziness
19.59.06 #        adi|dads: that's because manual is, and we wanted the 1.2 manual to remain at 1.2 state
19.59.23 #        ah, right. we actually had a reason :-)
19.59.30 #        not that anyone modifies the manual anyway
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19.59.53 #       * adi|dads does
19.59.54 #        damnit
20.00.14 #        im _constantly_ correcting this foot.t include issue :)
20.00.27 #        my netscape don't display properly w/o it :)
20.00.49 #       * adi|dads continues poking the bear with a stick
20.04.59 #        be back in a bit...
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20.08.24 #        Zagor: i've been thinking about spreadsheets for lenguages, and, it's not easiest to make a txt file?
20.10.06 #        zaknafein: yes, let's start with that anyway
20.11.00 #        i'll start with it this night if you want
20.11.14 #        sure
20.11.17 #        ummm
20.11.38 #        I'll post my suggestion
20.12.05 #        changing lenguage at compile-time or having the final user the option to change lenguage mode?
20.12.16 #        yes
20.12.20 #        ;-)
20.12.24 #        :)
20.12.26 #        we don't decide that now anyway
20.12.30 #        zaknafein: start with the texts
20.12.36 #        loadable language files in xml format?
20.12.47 #        "Good idea dwihno"
20.12.48 #        Thanks
20.12.49 #        that and a html browser?
20.12.53 #        ;-)
20.12.58 #        Why not! :D
20.15.12 #        Good idea Bagder> ;-)
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20.17.03 #        i'll do it zagor, but as i said before, i'm a bit colapsed with work, so maybe it will go slowly
20.17.38 #        no problem
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20.22.41 #        i cvs update far too often
20.23.24 #        you can't update too often
20.24.12 #        what does U and P mean in cvs update?
20.24.44 #        update patch
20.24.50 #        I think
20.26.09 #        U "The  file was brought up to date with respect to the repository."
20.27.40 #        U seems to occur when the file didn't previously exist
20.27.57 #        ah, right
20.28.02 #        yes. U is "nuw" file :-)
20.28.04 #        "This is done for any file  that exists in the repository but not in your source,"
20.28.28 #        and P means patching your local file
20.28.41 #        and M if you've modified it
20.29.06 #        ahh
20.29.08 #        okey
20.29.36 #        I think that patch for going back to the beginning of the song should be extended to 3 seconds, instead of 2
20.30.42 #        Also, I was thinking... do we really need the 2 line ID3 display anymore? the 1 line id3 that I created shows all of that info plus more. It seems like the 2 line display (artist on 1 line, title on the other) is kind of useless now
20.31.26 #        this is regarding the player btw
20.32.36 #        the wps is a never-ending debate :-)
20.32.45 #        indeed
20.33.02 #        to upgrade from cvs i used the command "cvs upgrade -dP" but it says that: "cvs update: No CVSROOT specified!  Please use the `-d' option", what is wrong??
20.33.29 #        quelsaruk: you're in the wrong directory doing that
20.33.40 #        quelsaruk: did you read http://rockbox.haxx.se/cvs.html ?
20.34.36 #        zagor, i did
20.35.06 #        maybe badger is correct.. i think i did it in the wrong directory
20.35.10 #        :)
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20.39.59 #        Zagor: well, the 1 line id3 is a new thing from me, displays all needed info. Although I assume there might be some people that just want to see artist & title only :-)
20.41.39 #        MeRWiN-: I agree with you, I'm just not sure how we can resolve this and make most people happy
20.42.17 #        comment it out and see if anyone notices? *grin*
20.42.49 #        haha
20.43.59 #        blueh. the scroll code is a real can'o worms...
20.44.20 #        we need to fix the font mess ASAP
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20.45.39 #        I need food
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20.52.48 #        i'm leaving
20.52.55 #        bye quelsaruk
20.52.56 #        see yuo another day!
20.53.09 #        i'll work on that today :)
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20.55.56 #        I hate firewalls
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21.26.03 #        any silly bugs I should dig into ?
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21.35.58 #        Bagder: there's a bit of a fly problem going around over here
21.36.51 #        sorry, I only do mosquitos ;-)
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21.47.37 #       * adi|dads is NOT touching MeRWiN's fly
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21.48.02 #        adi|dads: you changed the URL you get to see when you join here?
21.48.13 #        me.. why?>
21.48.21 #        want me too?
21.48.29 #        it could point to the html version
21.48.33 #        nods
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21.52.36 #        brb
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21.52.53 #        okay.. fixed
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21.53.49 #       * adi|dads bitch slaps Bagder
21.53.52 #        thanks
21.54.00 #        np :)
21.54.09 #        all i have to say is.. who's your daddy?
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22.00.19 Topic   ""Give us your t-shirt designs or I shall smite thee most harshly! http://rockbox.haxx.se/tshirt-contest/"" by adi|dads (adi_dads@pool-138-89-186-221.mad.east.verizon.net)
22.00.30 Quit    edx ("good night guys")
22.00.37 #       * adi|dads slaps adi|dads around a bit with a large trout
22.00.44 #       * adi|dads slaps adi|dads around a bit with a large trout
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22.11.06 #        ahhh.
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22.14.29 #        The new USB logo is way cool.
22.14.42 #       * Bagder agrees
22.14.47 #        I just committed a little charger tuning.
22.15.14 #        Slowly making it charge a little more, test for some time to see it doesn't burn, commit, tune a little more, test some more 8-)
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22.17.25 #        yeah, we need it to charge a little more
22.19.03 #        Have to be very careful while tuning it
22.20.52 #        "I have been championing rockbox to all my friends, most of whom have no clue what I'm talking about or even who I am."
22.24.25 #        Hey, I just watched monsters inc. quite cute movie.
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22.28.10 #        "Buffer 1.77mb???? Is that normal? I thought we had 2mb. Presumably, the rockbox uses some? "
22.28.19 #        silly ppl 
22.28.41 #        haha
22.29.43 #        hey guys
22.29.56 #        12.0V, 1.2A output
22.29.59 #        :-)
22.30.00 #        Hehe
22.30.08 #        there it is
22.30.11 #        100-240V, 50-60Hz, 0.4A input.
22.30.15 #        that's a monster
22.30.28 #        Sunfone - Model no: ACSD-28
22.30.30 #        I run a measly 700mA on my 12V adapter
22.30.43 #        And this is smaller than the normal archos charger I'd say
22.31.15 #        hm, this is 1cm longer - but also 1cm thinner
22.31.18 #        same width
22.31.28 #        it's switched, right?
22.33.59 #        switched?
22.34.58 #        it has no switch on it - you just stick in the suitable plug for the socet
22.35.26 #        yeah, I mean the internals. switched is a design type for AC/DC converters
22.35.39 #        they don't have transformer iron cores
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22.48.39 #        That's a lot.
22.49.42 #        switched supplies do have transformers and transformers have cores... they just do their thing at a higher frequency than 50 Hz which gives them better efficiency, thus they need much smaller and lighter transformers.
22.54.31 #        Thanks Hadaka, I added that info to BATTERY-FAQ !
22.57.04 #        Hes: my rec20 just stopped charging from my 12V adapter. anything you want me to check?
22.57.35 #        it's charged a few hours, I'd say the batteries are full. so nothing abnormal.
22.58.05 #        the graph shows peak 5.68 and a sharp dip to 5.40V
23.01.34 #        5.68 sounds good.
23.02.01 #        Hey, what's the ext voltage measured by the power debugger?
23.02.11 #        8.16V
23.02.32 #        During charging or not?
23.02.42 #        not
23.03.30 #        I was thinking of not enabling the charger if the ext voltage was scaringly high.
23.03.40 #        8.16V sounds low for a 12V supply
23.03.58 #        I agree. I'll switch it to 9V and see what it says
23.05.11 #        with the adapter set at 9V, external is reported as 6.74V
23.05.25 #        Wondering if the EXT voltage is actually measured right at the power input
23.05.27 #        unfortunately, I don't have a volt meter so I can't check it
23.05.29 #        or if the scaling is wrong
23.05.41 #        i have a multimeter, haven't checked mine
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23.46.45 #        Uhm... what is the byte order on the SH-1... an unsigned int would be?
23.46.45 Quit    lithermon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
23.47.02 #        Hes: big endian
23.47.21 #        About time for me to know that.
23.47.26 #        0xcafef00d becomes CA FE F0 0D
23.56.13 #        htonl() is my friend.
23.58.31 #        Is there an API for doing a statf() or something, to get the length of an open file?
23.58.43 #        lseek does that
23.58.45 #        length = lseek(fd, 0, SEEK_END); works
23.58.49 #        yes
23.58.52 #        but isn't probably the fastest way