--- Log for 25.08.102 Server: herbert.openprojects.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 12 days and 11 hours ago 00.08.17 Join MeRWiN [0] (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 00.09.27 Join huevo5050 [0] (~huevo5050@158.Red-80-33-33.pooles.rima-tde.net) 00.11.14 # yo eggman 00.18.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.19.18 Quit huevo5050 ("http://ppproject.com/product/iamc") 00.55.30 Join StevenKarp [0] (steven@d150-108-249.home.cgocable.net) 00.56.07 # what does the 2s,4s,6s in the AutoVolume settings mean ? 00.58.05 Join MeRWiN- [0] (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 01.08.05 # good night guys 01.08.10 Quit edx ("good night") 01.13.38 Quit MeRWiN (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.17.04 Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@sdf.lonestar.org) 01.19.39 # heya hardeep 01.19.57 Nick MeRWiN- is now known as MeRWiN (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 02.18.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.20.12 Quit hardeep ("Leaving") 03.52.57 Join nsauzede [0] (gizz@lyon-1-a7-62-147-19-17.dial.proxad.net) 03.54.00 Quit nsauzede (Client Quit) 03.58.58 # any1 alive ? 04.18.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.23.51 Quit ah__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.30.42 # sup Steven 04.31.27 # hey 04.31.41 # do u know what does the 2s,4s,6s in the AutoVolume settings mean ? 04.32.11 # I think they mean time until the Jukebox self destructs 04.32.31 # Hmm... I don't use it, but I think it means the length of time that it will scan to find a normalized volume 04.32.45 # ie: 6s would scan 6 seconds of the song to determine a normalized volume 04.32.54 # i c, thnx 04.32.58 # no prob 04.33.05 # Kibbles and bits and bits and bits 05.29.55 Quit StevenKarp () 06.18.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.32.12 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.40.30 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@user-0cceh8k.cable.mindspring.com) 06.50.49 Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@sdf.lonestar.org) 07.22.03 # Awfully quiet on here today. :) 07.31.33 Quit MeRWiN (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.37.00 Join MeRWiN [0] (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 08.18.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.25.06 Quit hardeep ("Leaving") 09.49.43 Join rwood [0] (~rdwrockbo@ca-santaanahub-cuda3-c9b-117.anhmca.adelphia.net) 09.50.33 # has anyone here worked with the RTC? 09.51.44 # not me! 09.52.51 # MeRWiN: are you still in NJ? 10.05.14 # the custom wps is displaying a blank line for me 10.06.59 # rwood: nope 10.07.13 # Got the hell out of dodge 10.07.14 # :) 10.07.24 # MeRWiN: well then, welcome home 10.07.29 # PsycoXul: are you using it right? 10.07.46 # no, i'm using the 1-line id3 cause the custom displays a blank line :p 10.08.06 # with the latest cvs? 10.08.10 # yeah 10.08.27 # you have #define CUSTOM_WPS also? 10.08.32 # yes 10.08.47 # i have the menu option and it uses it but just shows a blank line 10.10.13 # I'm using the CVS from 8/24 and it worked :P I'll look at it in the morning. I know Zagor did some stuff to it, and I *think* that I updated my CVS with it, but i'll double check 10.10.24 # I'll be around about noon or one pacific 10.10.31 # heh 10.10.48 # yeah one thing you accidently commited the #define uncommented 10.11.59 # yeah... when i fixed the CRLF 10.12.06 # I forgot to recomment it 10.12.22 # i felt bad :) 10.12.27 # hehe 10.13.06 # i've got 3 steel tubes stuck in a piece of plaster in a little metal dish 10.13.17 # hmm... interesting 10.13.17 # :) 10.13.20 # g'nite... I'll be around tomorrow to troubleshoot the problems 10.13.25 # night :p 10.13.36 Quit MeRWiN () 10.14.44 Quit rwood () 10.18.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.11.30 Join nsauzede [0] (gizz@lyon-1-a7-62-147-19-207.dial.proxad.net) 11.12.25 Quit nsauzede (Client Quit) 11.40.42 Join h0bby [0] (Hobby@h24-83-178-201.vf.shawcable.net) 11.56.06 Quit Tumm- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.18.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.33.58 Part h0bby 12.55.59 Join Lear [0] (~chatzilla@h106n1fls35o1002.telia.com) 13.00.09 Quit Lear (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.02.10 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EA89D7.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.02.28 Quit edx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.06.22 # oh my god.. i can't believe somebody's done something with that old beginning of a game i wrote for the player heh 13.06.36 # i guess i should do something more with it :p 13.11.27 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EA89D7.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.11.34 Quit edx (Client Quit) 13.12.30 Join Lear [0] (~chatzilla@h106n1fls35o1002.telia.com) 13.19.13 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EA89D7.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.18.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.26.54 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 14.47.13 # hi Zagor 14.51.01 # hi 15.06.12 Join freshmaker [0] (~chatzilla@pD9E12CC7.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.07.02 # Zagor: Hej! 15.07.19 # Zagor: Is soft scrolling a wanted feature? 15.07.28 # yes 15.07.37 # i have a aptch 15.07.43 # nice 15.08.19 # it's just a proof of concept, so it only works w/ propfonts 15.08.30 # ok 15.09.33 # the changes are subtle, and some glitches need to be fixed 15.11.18 # stop making excuses and post the patch ;) 15.14.30 # it should hit the list any minute now 15.15.48 # *grr* german isp's laggy mail relay ... 15.16.27 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 15.16.27 # * freshmaker looks through list of alternative isps 15.38.43 # Zagor: do you like it? 15.39.30 # haven't looked much at it yet - busy with other things 15.57.05 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.8.9 [Mozilla rv:1.1/20020824]") 16.18.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.28.36 # what exactly is "soft scrolling"? 16.30.44 # it is bit wise scrolling in contrast to char wise 16.30.55 # s/bit/pixel/ 16.32.25 # char wise scrolling with propotional fonts looks a bit uggly because the steps are not equal 16.33.12 Nick dwihno|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 16.33.19 # I agree 16.33.42 # How does the pixel scrolling look? 16.33.43 # Fudgy? 16.34.31 # it looks quite nice, unless you set it to a high speed 16.35.06 # and a high speed is? 16.36.43 # hard to say. i didn't touch the timing with my patch. it still looks ok at "20" 16.37.13 # of course "20" is much slower now 16.38.20 # If the pixel scrolling makes the CVS, the speed and pixel-width should be configurable (imho) 16.38.36 # Some ppl have no problem with 4-pixel blocks being scrolled 16.38.39 # (for instance) 16.38.57 # configurable pixel steps is not that easy 16.39.31 # i would have to loop a few thing that currently are simple if-statements 16.39.47 # Warcraft III on 'hard' isn't easy either - it's just a whole lot more fun :D 16.40.31 # Time to check the laundry 16.41.00 # for me, coding is more fun. maybe i'm just too old ;-) 16.50.54 # Zagor: Who wrote the original scrolling code? 16.59.29 Quit freshmaker ("time to smash some shuttle cocks...") 17.00.45 Join ziong [0] (~donk@mainframe.fragnet.org) 17.01.53 Join edx|notebook [0] (~edx@pD9EAA8A8.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.09.56 # set AUTO_AWAY off 17.10.00 # ups 17.16.44 Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|off (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 17.17.25 Quit edx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.17.32 Nick edx|notebook is now known as edx (~edx@pD9EAA8A8.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.20.52 # is anyone here? 17.34.28 Join Silly [0] (~luk@212.199.219.140) 17.37.04 Nick Silly is now known as Silly_Fly (~luk@212.199.219.140) 17.38.06 # can someone help me out on something? 17.38.44 # I'm trying to run make on the tools dir, but I get an error message... 17.40.23 # make (e=2): The system cannot find the file specified. 17.40.23 # make: *** [scramble] Error 2 17.40.46 # anyone????? 18.07.44 Join jmw [0] (~jw@ool-18e42b6b.dyn.optonline.net) 18.09.06 Quit jmw (Client Quit) 18.09.18 Nick edx is now known as edx|away (~edx@pD9EAA8A8.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.15.14 Join Lear [0] (~chatzilla@h106n1fls35o1002.telia.com) 18.18.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.27.00 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) 19.10.51 Join g003y [0] (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) 19.21.22 # Good evening 19.21.28 # good morning :D 19.45.06 Nick edx|away is now known as edx (~edx@pD9EAA8A8.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.48.00 Quit edx ("good night") 19.48.25 Part g003y 20.01.04 Quit ziong ("lala") 20.02.39 Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@sdf.lonestar.org) 20.03.03 # morning all 20.03.22 Join freshmaker [0] (~chatzilla@pD9E12CC7.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.03.45 # Hi, anyone tried the soft scrolling patch? 20.18.48 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@B23b2.pppool.de) 20.18.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.19.16 # anybody up there? 20.19.23 # Wie immer :) 20.19.33 # up where? 20.19.46 # it's a riddle, hardeep 20.20.05 # near a tree by the river, there's a hole in the ground ... ;-) 20.20.19 # and the answer is " 20.20.22 # "friend" ? 20.20.32 # Nah 20.20.39 # the answer is "it has you, Neo" :-) 20.20.58 # laf 20.21.08 # Oh, fine! Maybe somone can help me finetune my first "Hello World" like program! I've done a new game and now I'd like to know what special #ifdefs and so on I need to avoid conflicts with players and so. 20.21.24 # the HAS_BITMAP-something 20.21.48 # also necessary in the *.c file? 20.22.03 # HAVE_LCD_BITMAP 20.22.38 # use a file in apps/recorder for reference 20.23.24 # The sokoban.c just has some #ifdef for the simulator. But since I still haven't managed to get that thing compiled I don't know whether I need that at all. 20.24.26 # can someone help me out on something? 20.24.47 # I guess you would want to include it just to be safe. The files in apps/recorder are only compiled if you selected ARCHOS_RECORDER 20.25.01 # Silly_Fly: ask away 20.25.05 # I'm trying to run make on the tools dir, but I get an error message... 20.25.13 # make (e=2): The system cannot find the file specified. 20.25.16 # make: *** [scramble] Error 2 20.25.52 # You probably need some alias CC=gcc of set CC=gcc 20.25.54 # Silly_Fly: do you got a compiled scramble? 20.26.10 # no. 20.26.16 # win32 or linux ? 20.26.26 # win32 20.26.30 # Silly_Fly: you probably ran "configure" in the tools directory? 20.26.58 # Silly_Fly: do you have an ansi-c compiler for the wintendo platform? 20.27.05 # hardeep: If you tell me how that can be done under Win32 please let me know, too 20.27.29 # langhaarrocker: if what can be done? 20.27.50 # I have gnush and borland turbo c 20.28.05 # Silly_Fly: well, just compile the scramble.c with borland then... 20.28.12 # dwihno: Nonono, not Wintendo! I just did the 3rd game: RockBoxTendo 20.28.13 # hardeep: Running configure under Win32 20.28.23 # langhaarrocker: hahah :) 20.28.48 # Silly_Fly: you can also download scramble.exe from http://rockbox.haxx.se/tools.html 20.29.02 # Silly_Fly: copy it to tools and you should be good 20.29.22 # langhaarrocker: I use cygwin and it works fine re: configure 20.30.02 # hardeep: astonishing. I didn't get it work and now uninstalled cygwin (for a while at least) 20.30.29 # langhaarrocker: what error were you getting? it works great for me 20.31.17 # hardeep: don't know anymore. Gave it up and played somewhere else meanwhile. 20.33.52 # let me guess: cygwin contains a genius tool for crlf -> lf? 20.34.32 # langhaarrocker: cygwin comes with dos2unix 20.35.35 # BTW: when you install cygwin use the following compiler created by justin heiner: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-08/0158.shtml 20.35.58 # hmpf. Ok, Ill take another hour to reinstall that §$%!# 20.37.05 # But not tonight 20.38.05 # I prefer the gnush-setup, but cygwin is cute too. 20.38.41 # Got the gnush thing running -> I prefer it too - well - momentarily... 20.44.51 Part langhaarrocker 20.48.00 Join datazone-work [0] (~datazone@chaos.iadfw.net) 20.54.25 Join lithermon [0] (gxhb@modem-1222.chansey.dialup.pol.co.uk) 21.06.36 # how do I compile that freaking thing????? 21.06.49 # everytime I'm running make i get errors!! 21.08.52 # zsh: command not found: mkdir 21.08.52 # zsh: command not found: mkdir 21.08.52 DBUG Enqueued KICK Silly_Fly 21.08.52 # zsh: command not found: mkdir 21.08.52 *** Alert Mode level 1 21.08.52 # zsh: command not found: mkdir 21.08.52 *** Alert Mode level 2 21.08.52 # make: *** [.deps/usb.d] Error 1 21.18.53 *** Alert Mode OFF 21.22.51 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.8.9 [Mozilla rv:1.1/20020824]") 21.30.09 Quit Silly_Fly ("Connection reset by peer (כשאני ימצא את הפיר הזה אני יכסח לו את האמאמא)") 21.31.35 Join Phil [0] (~Philipp@B4851.pppool.de) 21.32.54 # I've sent a game patch / file to the mailing list. And now I'm scared somone might flame me. 21.40.05 # what is an argh ? 21.40.42 # That' s the sound somone makes eating strange black quadratic poisoned things. 21.41.06 # ah i see 21.41.59 # Yes, you're right. Argh is not to be mixed up with 'ah', which is what you wrote. 21.42.33 # hehheh :) 21.43.52 # i am dl ing a new kernel so i can plug in my rockbox so i can dl some more stuff so i can compile rockbox 21.43.53 # its gonna take ages 21.44.51 # when i am done i will try out wormlet 21.45.10 # I don't even dare to ask my dictionary what "to dl" might mean. 21.45.54 # i dont think its in there but its definatly a verb 21.47.37 # Is Hes awake? I reckon he did some experiments with reading volume info from the MAS. I wonder wether there is any chance to know where in the buffer the MAS is while playing and providing the volume info. 21.49.31 # i dont think anyone here is awake. not even me 21.49.53 # Hm. Is dl a unix command? Or some kind of good drug? 21.50.10 # dl is download 21.50.30 # maybe i shouldve wrote d/l 21.50.51 # Argh! I see. 21.50.51 # Erm - I meant "Ah, I see!" - of course. 21.51.50 # I'm awake. 21.52.17 Join Snorlax [0] (lamamba_@h135n1fls34o883.telia.com) 21.52.45 # The volume reading available from the MAS of the recorders is from the audio DSP code (after the mpeg stream has been decoded). Real-time, while-playing (or recording) stuff. 21.53.04 # hallo, anybody here who did the sound mod? 21.54.07 # Hi! Cool! 21.54.08 # Do you think it's possible to use the volume reading to make a oszillosgramme that can be used for navigation in a mp3 file? 21.54.45 # The problem I fear is the loss of synch. 22.02.25 Join MeRWiN [0] (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 22.03.55 # `heya 22.04.28 # yahey! 22.04.44 # Merwin: have u done the sound mod? 22.04.50 # the sound mod? 22.04.54 # which one 22.05.59 # the capacitor and/or resistor mod? 22.06.08 # nope :) 22.06.27 # Phil: I don't think so. It would require decompressing the whole file and keeping the volume history in memory 22.08.41 # hes: I think we need to save the resume settings when someone plugs in the USB cable... it doesn't seem to be getting saved 22.10.23 # Hes: I don't think in such large terms. My intension is an editor fine tuning the position while splitting mp3 files. For that purpose a window with a couple of seconds would be fully sufficiant. I just thougth it might be possible to completely bypass the necessetiy of decoding mp3 by using the voulume info the mas can provide anyway. 22.13.13 # Oh by the way: Does anybody know whether the SH1 / gnush makes any distinction between short and int? 22.15.18 # Phil: For that purpose it would be fine. 22.15.49 # The MAS provides the information for recorded audio level (while audio is input) and for the decoded output 22.16.20 # but yes, that requires letting the MAS decode the audio (in real time) and sampling it's VU meter during that 22.16.52 # And do we afterwards still now which samples belong to which mp3 frame? 22.17.16 Quit Snorlax ("gittar ny!") 22.18.17 # I don't know. 22.18.50 # There has been some work in knowing when the MAS is going over the buffer position where a new track starts. 22.18.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.21.02 # Interesting. 22.21.02 # Sorry, just got a visitor. 22.21.02 # CU 22.21.10 Quit Phil ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 22.29.13 Part lithermon 22.35.01 Join Silly_Fly [0] (~luk@212.199.219.140) 22.35.19 # anybody here? 22.35.26 # yeah, for a minute... sup? 22.35.38 # i'm fine.. 22.35.47 # just having a little problem.... 22.36.08 # I finally got that make to work, and I got 'librockbox.a' 22.36.19 # now I need to scramble it, right? 22.36.23 # yup 22.36.35 # what compiler are you using? 22.36.38 # but when i'm running scramble, I get 'out of memory!' 22.37.03 # gnush 0203 22.37.19 # (and borland turbo C to compile scramble.c) 22.38.05 # You know, I'm probably not the one to ask about this :-) I use Cygwin to do all of my stuff. 22.38.06 # librockbox.a is only one of the libraries. you need archos.elf which is what you scramble 22.38.53 # hmm... 22.39.06 # the call to scramble is done in the makefile, you shouldn't have to do it manually 22.39.07 # don't have such file........ 22.39.49 # guess I screwed something..... 22.40.05 # if you have librockbox.a then you built the files in "firmware" 22.40.13 # yep. 22.40.13 # Was everything in "apps" also built? 22.40.24 # I think so.... 22.40.44 # Which makefile did you use? 22.40.47 # i have apps.lds..... 22.41.11 # I used the one in 'firmware', but deleted the last line, as it kept generating error message...... 22.41.24 # Don't touch anything in firmware/ or apps/ 22.41.29 # create a 'build' directory 22.41.33 # run ../tools/configure there 22.41.40 # Are you using cygwin? 22.41.57 # I'm using Gnush, on win2000 22.41.58 # you get a Makefile in build, then run make there and it compiles everything 22.42.20 # I think it is MingW...... 22.42.21 # For gnush, use apps/win32.mak 22.43.08 # no .mak files............. 22.43.45 # cvs update? the file is definitely there with latest cvs 22.44.58 # ... 22.45.16 # i've downloaded the source for v1.2 22.45.21 # guess I should update..... 22.47.47 # Update is not a bad idea. However, if you would prefer to build 1.2 just get apps/win32.mak and firmware/win32.mak from cvs 22.49.11 Quit MeRWiN () 22.52.45 # Silly_Fly: You should also read http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-08/0748.shtml 22.54.55 # ok, 10x. 22.55.11 # I'll come by later to tell you if it all went smooth.... 22.55.13 # bye 22.55.15 Quit Silly_Fly ("Connection reset by peer (כשאני ימצא את הפיר הזה אני יכסח לו את האמאמא)") 23.10.06 Join Silly_Fly [0] (~luk@212.199.219.140) 23.12.32 # hi. 23.12.40 # me again... ;) 23.13.06 # I updated apps firmware and tools from cvs 23.13.48 Join ziong [0] (~donk@mainframe.fragnet.org) 23.13.55 # I ran make -f win32.mak on firmware and apps, but still no archos.elf...... 23.14.12 # I do have archos.map though........ 23.15.04 # Hmmmm, how about archos.mod? 23.15.16 # Did you see any errors? 23.15.46 # undefined reference to memcp 23.16.07 # memcmp 23.16.54 # Aha, you are using gcc 3.1 which "optimizes" strcmp to memcmp 23.17.14 # You need to add -fno-builtin to your compile flags... 23.17.35 # see http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-08/0790.shtml 23.21.27 # still having the same problem..... 23.21.52 # "make all" 23.21.59 # you meant add -fno-builtin to the line that starts with CFLAGS = in win32.mak, right? 23.22.07 # Yes, in both win32.mak's 23.23.46 # ok. 23.24.05 # all went smooth, except I still get 'out of memory' when it tries to scramble...... 23.24.26 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 23.24.26 # * ziong is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog Off] 23.25.25 Quit Zagor|off ("Client Exiting") 23.26.05 Join MeRWiN [0] (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 23.26.09 Join lithermon [0] (j@modem-564.chansey.dialup.pol.co.uk) 23.26.18 # Hmmmm, try the scramble.exe from http://rockbox.haxx.se/tools.html 23.26.34 # maybe something wrong with your version compiled with turbo c 23.26.45 # * MeRWiN hates keycards that only work 7am - 6pm Monday thru Friday! 23.27.33 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@B26c7.pppool.de) 23.28.44 # ok. 23.28.47 # all fine..... 23.30.31 # now for the ultimate test.... 23.30.37 # copying it to my JB.... 23.33.25 # Oh, while reading that: Has anybody a clue why USB detection doesn't work while playing games? 23.36.54 Quit lithermon ("[BX] Occifer, take me drunk, I'm home") 23.40.38 # i have the same problem as Silly_Fly have before, but i have Linux... i get the 'out of memory' message while scrambling 23.41.08 # have you downloaded the compiled scramble from the site? 23.41.12 # it worked for me..... 23.41.21 # .. 23.41.36 # my JBR won't load the firmware I just compiled... 23.41.51 # i tried both , the dynamic and the static version 23.41.54 # it stays with 1.24... 23.42.56 # But you got a ajbrec.ajz? 23.43.26 # yes. 23.44.49 # I think it didn't scramble it after all.... 23.45.12 # i ran make again, and now it's 96KB (was 133KB, like the elf, before) 23.45.21 # I'll try again... 23.45.27 # Did you use the win32.mak to build it? 23.45.34 # yep 23.45.47 # strange. That worked for me. 23.46.10 # works flawlessly for me 23.46.23 # ok. 23.46.28 # now it's allright.... 23.46.44 # dunno what went wrong before, but the file wasn't scrambled.... 23.47.54 # Have you been able to build the uisimulator as well? Just becauste that's where I failed. 23.48.17 Join lithermon [0] (j@modem-782.cloyster.dialup.pol.co.uk) 23.50.14 # hello can anyone help me what kernel options do i need to get my jbr20 working do i need scsi at all ? 23.50.51 # i got 2.4.19 kernel 23.51.19 # never tried to.... 23.51.31 # it's incredible what a jukebox makes you learn. But I'm a windoof user who has to learn other things. 23.51.34 # I don't have a win32 compiler 23.52.10 # ?? Do you mean a c compiler for win32? 23.52.31 # something like gcc? 23.52.43 # mingw is kickass 23.53.04 # Maybe but how do I make it compile the uisimulator? 23.53.25 # ermh, never did that 23.53.33 # Check the mail list archives 23.53.49 # ok 23.56.59 # erm, how do I get rid of CR/LF errors..?? 23.57.40 # goodnight 23.57.42 Quit ziong ("ziong has no reason") 23.58.45 # that's where mingw fails: no dos2unix included