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00.00.10 #       <TotMacher> is it better to charge with rockbox ?
00.00.46 #       <Zagor> TotMacher: no, we still charge less than the stock firmware to avoid battery damage
00.00.57 #       <TotMacher> ahh ok
00.01.02 #       <dwihno> Zagor: thanks
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00.02.32 #       <TotMacher> i want to pose with my hd, so i need the free disk space display :)
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00.02.57 #       <Zagor> TotMacher: yeah, we'll get that soon
00.03.03 #       <TotMacher> hehe :)
00.03.06 #       <TotMacher> very goofd
00.03.29 #       <pimlottc> wumpscut fan?
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00.25.17 #       <dwihno> *tweak WPS*
00.25.35 #       <Zagor> bed time, see you later
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00.25.45 #       <dwihno> Farewell, noble code police!
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07.30.18 #       <black6host> hi all, took a look at rockbox today and I'm impressed.  A bit concerned with the hard drive password issue.  Is this a frequent thing?
07.31.16 #       <LinusN> i haven't seen it since christmas
07.32.02 #       <black6host> i'm having issues on my linux box and I'm not in a position to compile in the patch...:(
07.32.17 #       <LinusN> aha
07.32.22 #       <LinusN> don't worry
07.32.29 #       <LinusN> it is very rare
07.32.41 #       <black6host> cool.
07.32.50 #       <LinusN> and also, it doesn not seem to be a rockbox issue either
07.33.06 #       <LinusN> orthodox archos users have had it too
07.33.17 #       <black6host> i saw that though I did see mention that it affects the developers more than standard firmware...
07.34.19 #       <LinusN> yup, it probably had to do with low battery level combined with uninitialized I/O ports or something
07.34.33 #       <black6host> just got the recorder 15 and it's pretty slick.  only thing though is that occasionally  it locks up while playing and the hard drive starts making a bad bad sound
07.34.42 #       <LinusN> ouch!
07.34.46 #       <black6host> yep!
07.34.51 #       <LinusN> better return it
07.35.08 #       <black6host> just got done loading up a ton of cd's too, now I've got to take it back and exchange it
07.35.11 #       <LinusN> recorder 15?
07.35.16 #       <black6host> yes
07.35.16 #       <LinusN> is that new?
07.35.27 #       <LinusN> i only knew about 6, 10 and 20
07.35.46 #       <black6host> must be, it's not mentioned on their site, even the manual doesn't refer to it
07.36.04 #       <LinusN> does it say 15 on the unit?
07.36.25 #       <LinusN> i mean printed on the plastic?
07.36.26 #       <black6host> yep, jukebox recorder 15
07.36.29 #       <LinusN> wow
07.36.44 #       <black6host> i think it's still got the usb 1.1 interface
07.36.53 #       <black6host> cause I don't have usb 2.0
07.36.54 #       <LinusN> how lame
07.36.55 #       <black6host> and it works
07.37.10 #       <black6host> but the price was right!
07.37.11 #       <LinusN> but usb2.0 is backwards compatible
07.37.26 #       <black6host> ahh, maybe it does then, but no specs for it in the manual
07.37.32 #       <black6host> let me check the box
07.37.45 #       <LinusN> it is mentioned on the box
07.38.19 #       <LinusN> it's strange that they don't boast more about the USB2.0
07.39.15 #       <black6host> transfer rate is 1MB/sec, so nope...
07.40.45 #       <black6host> i just wish it didn't make that knocking sound.  I hate to have to take it back.  They don't have the 20 where I got it, unfortunately
07.41.24 #       <LinusN> i would return it if i were you
07.41.36 #       <LinusN> or buy a new hard disk
07.41.59 #       <black6host> well, since it's only 3 days old... bit early to repair :)
07.42.24 #       <black6host> hope they got another on the shelf
07.42.33 #       <Hes> Morning.
07.42.58 #       <LinusN> about the USB, you should be able to see if it is an ISD200 or ISD300 in your device by checking which driver is used in Linux
07.43.53 #       <black6host> i haven't got that far yet, accessing it from a win box at the moment, my suse box is having, uhh, difficulty :)
07.44.48 #       <black6host> hopefully get that fixed tonight, new jukebox tomorrow, rockbox on it and life will be good
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07.45.34 #       <LinusN> black6host: good luck
07.45.44 #       <LinusN> Hes: morning
07.46.07 #       <black6host> thx!  off to fix my other stuff!
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07.46.58 #       <Bill_k> Hello all can anybody point me where I can find info in setting up the dev envioment under windows?
07.47.37 #       <LinusN> there are different options
07.48.43 #       <Bill_k> I heard somone had success using Visual studio? But I can also use a dos box
07.49.09 #       <LinusN> do you want to build a simulator or a target firmware?
07.49.47 #       <Bill_k> firmware is my goal for a recorder 20
07.50.09 #       <LinusN> ok, then you need a cross compiler, and Visual Studio will not help you
07.50.22 #       <LinusN> you can start reading at http://rockbox.haxx.se/tools.html
07.51.24 #       <Hes> Hi, any ata.c news?
07.51.29 #       <Bill_k> I downloades the wingnushv020 and installed
07.51.43 #       <LinusN> Hes: no, i don't have any new theories
07.51.56 #       <Hes> Ok... i'll go with some debugging stuff then
07.51.57 #       <LinusN> since my latest fix didn't solve anything
07.52.16 #       <LinusN> Bill_k: ok, and then?
07.53.13 #       <Hes> Does ata.c code run in interrupts?
07.53.38 #       <Hes> should inserting lcd_print code there be safe?
07.53.58 #       <LinusN> Hes: ata is polled
07.54.23 #       <LinusN> Hes: do you still have skipping?
07.54.36 #       <Hes> Yes.
07.54.41 #       <LinusN> and only with SLEEP, not with STANDBY?
07.54.41 #       <Hes> Proportional font support? (N)
07.55.01 #       <Hes> configure still asks for that although proportional is the default...
07.55.13 #       <LinusN> is it default? that is a bug?
07.55.21 #       <LinusN> it shouldn't be default
07.55.23 #       <Bill_k> reading some more. I found a page I missed
07.55.33 #       <Hes> I thought it was made the default.
07.55.44 #       <LinusN> no, we backed on that one
07.55.49 #       <Hes> Ah, ok.
07.56.07 #       <Hes> It doesn't skip on STANDBY but it doesn't spin down either - even with STANDBY_IMMEDIATE being issued.
07.56.21 #       <LinusN> Hes: is that so?
07.56.29 #       <LinusN> weirdo
07.56.39 #       <Hes> Yes. I wonder if the drive's STANDBY time should be to something else than 'disabled' for the _IMMEDIATE to work.
07.57.41 #       <LinusN> lemme check
08.00.12 #       <LinusN> the spec says that sending the command will suffice
08.00.19 #       <LinusN> no parameters
08.00.21 #       <Hes> Ok...
08.00.36 #       <Hes> I'll go to the office... seeya later
08.00.39 #       <LinusN> cu
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08.13.20 #       <Bagder> morning
08.13.25 #       <LinusN> morning Bagder
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08.15.35 #       <LinusN> sleep tight, seb-sleep
08.15.57 #       <Bagder> i forgot my charger at work last week so I haven't been able to update for days
08.16.05 #       <Bagder> painful ;-)
08.16.12 #       <LinusN> ooooh
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08.19.38 #       <Bagder> hey rwood
08.19.51 #       <rwood> hi Bagder
08.20.05 #       <Bagder> any news?
08.21.17 #       <rwood> is the call to lcd_update supposed to be inclosed in an ifdef on HAVE_LCD_BITMAP?
08.21.40 #       <LinusN> not necessary
08.21.51 #       <LinusN> it is defined on players too
08.21.59 #       <LinusN> although it does nothing
08.22.37 #       <rwood> Bagder: i solved the problem - the schematics are wrong - IRQ1 is the RTC, i believe IRQ0 is the disk
08.22.49 #       <Bagder> cool
08.23.51 #       <rwood> i'm finishing it off with the dynamic relocation - i know zagor wants to do something different, i'm not enough of a C and unix type to setup the .isection sutff
08.24.34 #       <LinusN> rwood: actually, the resulting code is the same with the .section stuff, just different
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08.24.57 #       <LinusN> the code still has to be explicitly copied
08.25.04 #       <LinusN> in crt0.S
08.26.04 #       <rwood> LinusN: is it going to internal RAM at start time?
08.26.12 #       <LinusN> "it"?
08.26.36 #       <rwood> LinusN: the move routine - the loader is probably on as is
08.26.55 #       <LinusN> i wouldn't put the loader in internal ram
08.27.58 #       <rwood> i agree, the move routine is quite small and could be recoded in C in internal ram - the fun part was the dynamic relocation
08.28.14 #       <rwood> sort of hate to see it go
08.29.23 #       <rwood> have you had any problems with the ADC i2c on the player? - the spec says it is limited to 100k if the serial input is not operating
08.29.51 #       <rwood> i assume the serial clock is only operational when the decoder is playing
08.30.15 #       <LinusN> i haven't seen any ADC I2C problems
08.31.18 #       <rwood> it may be something to look at if there are differences from player to player
08.32.09 #       <LinusN> good idea
08.32.52 #       <LinusN> we have had problems with the dac, but they had to do with not setting all registers i the dac
08.33.49 #       <rwood> in chasing what i thought was a RTC problem, i looked at all the I2C specs, rockbox is running somewhat faster than most of the specs
08.34.22 #       <LinusN> oh
08.35.02 #       <LinusN> rwood: do you have the timing info?
08.35.06 #       <rwood> i don't remember which one, but one specs a 1.25 us high and low clock times
08.35.11 #       <LinusN> i mean, how far off are we?
08.35.45 #       <rwood> i thing our high time is quite short relative to some of the specs
08.36.09 #       <rwood> i'll take some timing and compare to all the specs tommorrow
08.36.17 #       <LinusN> great!
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08.36.36 #       <LinusN> btw, send us the rolo patch as soon as you are done
08.36.42 #       <rwood> if you are interested, i would take on the task of making the i2c driver compliant with the specs
08.36.44 #       <Bagder> howto-vote mail coming up soonish
08.37.18 #       <LinusN> rwood: that would be great!
08.38.01 #       <rwood> LinusN: good - as soon as i post ROLO, i'll start on that
08.38.26 #       <rwood> do you want me to recode the move routine in C and declare it an .isection?
08.38.47 #       <rwood> or leave it to one of the gurus
08.39.28 #       <Hes> less 
08.39.30 #       <LinusN> rwood: leave it
08.39.44 #       <LinusN> Hes: less?
08.39.57 #       <Hes> whoops, channel lottery, fvwm stopped changing focus, had to restart it 8-)
08.40.18 #       <rwood> by the way the only problem was that the IRQ0 had to be set to edge triggered
08.40.26 #       <LinusN> rwood: i would like the i2c timings to be really optimal
08.40.41 #       <Hes> Ah, you found a problem with the STANDBY
08.40.54 #       <LinusN> maybe even different timings to different devices
08.41.15 #       <rwood> LinusN: by optimal do you mean as short/fast as possible?
08.41.20 #       <LinusN> yup
08.41.28 #       <Hes> rwood: so the loader works on recorders now? 8-)
08.41.42 #       <LinusN> as fast as possible to the codecs
08.42.00 #       <rwood> Hes:YES - reloads 1.27d on the recorder
08.42.05 #       <Hes> HOORRAY
08.43.12 #       <rwood> LinusN: i'll setup some defines so that the timing can be changed easily
08.43.27 #       <LinusN> rwood: good
09.01.25 #       <Bagder> http://rockbox.haxx.se/tshirt-contest/designs.html
09.01.34 #       <Bagder> 34 ones
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09.05.46 #       <Bill_k> is the make file that comes with the standard build platford specific. Does it have to be 
09.05.52 #       <Bill_k> modified for win32
09.06.03 #       <Bagder> target build?
09.06.08 #       <Bill_k> 1.2
09.06.34 #       <Bagder> windows compilers are stupid, so yes
09.06.45 #       <Bagder> but really, we should be able to make them into the same one
09.07.00 #       <Bagder> but so far no windows users seem to be willing to do the work required
09.07.08 #       <rwood> i have a build-player and build-recorder directory - is there a way to force a full re-compile in each directory?
09.07.20 #       <Bill_k> I assume the make files that came for with the source are for linix
09.07.30 #       <Bill_k> linux
09.07.40 #       <rwood> without deleting all the .os
09.07.43 #       <Bagder> rwood: 'make clean' 'make' is the way to force a complete rebuild
09.08.02 #       <Bagder> Bill_k: we include windows makefiles too
09.08.03 #       <rwood> Bagder: thanks
09.08.13 #       <Bill_k> where?
09.08.23 #       <Bagder> win32.mak
09.08.35 #       <Bagder> and you shouldn't do anything with 1.2
09.08.40 #       <Bagder> it is waaaay old
09.08.59 #       <Bagder> Bill_k: what compiler are you using?
09.10.28 #       <Bill_k> Thanks Badger. I am using wingnushv 020
09.11.02 #       <Bagder> right, then I *think* those makefiles should work
09.11.31 #       <Bill_k> I just want to get a clean compile and then I'll get the latest source
09.11.36 #       <Bill_k> Thanks again
09.11.48 #       <Bill_k> I'll be back
09.13.24 #       <Bill_k> Badger where do I find win32.mak? Does not seem to be with the in the source RAR
09.13.44 #       <Bagder> grrr
09.13.46 #       <Bagder> you're right
09.13.52 #       <Bagder> it's not the tarballs
09.13.57 #       <Bagder> crap
09.14.23 #       <Bagder> get them from the CVS
09.14.42 #       <Bagder> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/rockbox/firmware/
09.14.43 #       <Bagder> etc
09.15.15 #       <Bill_k> Off to get file
09.19.36 #       <mbr|we> s=doc
09.19.53 #       <mbr|we> Sory and morning :)
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09.25.20 #       <LinusN> who is gofurygo?
09.25.58 #       <Bagder>  /whois gofurygo ;-)
09.26.13 #       <Bagder> no idea
09.27.18 #       <LinusN> he files a new gub report for every comment
09.27.21 #       <LinusN> bug
09.27.28 #       <Bagder> yeah, I notice
09.27.40 #       <LinusN> and his bug first report was a list of already reported issues
09.40.37 #       <Bagder> http://storebror.haxx.se/rockbox/tshirt-contest/vote.html
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09.40.42 #       <Bagder> does that make sense?
09.41.34 #       <LinusN> looks good
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09.47.57 #       <Zagor> morning
09.47.59 #       <Bagder> moo
09.48.23 #       <Bagder> Zagor: how-to-vote mail coming up in 15 mins
09.48.38 #       <Bagder> just waiting for the web to update first ;-)
09.48.58 #       <Zagor> ah
09.49.18 #       <Bagder> 33 designs are competing
09.50.13 #       <Zagor> "Insturmental Blues" ;-)
09.50.23 #       <Bagder> hehehe
09.53.28 #       <Bagder> "Congratulations from Germany, you are great!"
09.53.29 #       <Bagder> ;-)
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09.53.49 #       <Bagder> those forums gets all filled up with rockbox talk ;-)
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09.55.09 #       <LinusN> Zagor: i mailed him about the Inturmental Blues"
09.55.09 #       <Zagor> Bagder: which?
09.55.27 #       <Bagder> Zagor: I'm reading the funmp3players.com right now
09.56.31 #       <rwood> ROLO looks good with current CVS for recorder - need to regression test on player - anyone want to make an icon for program loads?
09.58.38 #       <Zagor> rwood: nice!
09.58.58 #       <rwood> Zagor: thanks
10.00.07 #       <Bagder> I just can't wait to rolo my first firmware ;-)
10.02.01 #       <Zagor> it seems anyone can assign bugs to people. very annoying.
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10.02.30 #       <Bagder> it is pretty useful when used correctly
10.02.44 #       <Bagder> but of course, most reporters have no clue
10.02.53 #       <Blaster_Master> question : i just went from 02/09/01 to 02/09/02 and the option to configure the WPS screen (before there was a nice scrobbar, now it is gone ?)
10.03.57 #       <Zagor> "this feeling of trust in your development I never had with any other commercial software"
10.05.05 #       <Bagder> encouraging words indeed
10.05.41 #       <Blaster_Master> on the player version
10.06.39 #       <Zagor> Blaster_Master: yes. now we have fully customizable wps instead.
10.07.00 #       <Zagor> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html
10.07.05 #       <Bagder> I have this growing feeling that we should appoint "managers" for different areas of the software
10.07.32 #       <Bagder> the amount of patches and improvements posted are a bit overwhelming to keep track of
10.09.09 #       <Zagor> at the same time, I don't want to move too fast either.
10.09.47 #       <Bagder> no, it wouldn't be to move faster
10.10.05 #       <Bagder> it would just be easier to read through stuff and concentrate more on your area
10.10.18 #       <Bagder> right now, we all try to cover all
10.11.35 #       <Zagor> yes, but there are very few patches I'm ready to just accept as-is. Maybe I'm just a control freak... :-)
10.12.19 #       <Bagder> no, you're right, but I'm more talking about who would apply the patches, and then possibly commit them
10.12.51 #       <Bagder> now, we all just randomly apply patches and possibly commit them
10.13.14 #       <Bagder> we might do the same patches or we might ignore the same patches
10.13.21 #       <LinusN> we might even come to the point where we should define in general terms what Rockbox should contain and what not
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10.13.32 #       <LinusN> hi alan!
10.13.40 #       <alkorr> Hi linus !
10.13.42 #       <Bagder> LinusN: yes, that too
10.14.47 #       <Bagder> another approach could be to use the patches tracker on sourceforge for patches
10.14.57 #       <Bagder> it would be easier to assign it to a person etc
10.14.57 #       <alkorr> Hi Bagder, Zagor and everybody else
10.15.02 #       <Bagder> hey Alan
10.15.17 #       <Zagor> Bagder: i was just thinking about that too
10.15.22 #       <Zagor> alkorr: hi
10.15.41 #       <Bagder> I think that would be an improvement compared to the current situation at least
10.15.55 #       <Bagder> then we'd quickly see when the amount of patches grow etc
10.17.20 #       <Bagder> personally it would help me sort out where to put my efforts
10.21.25 #       <Bagder> LinusN: what's your opinion on going over to use the patch tracker for patches?
10.22.43 #       <LinusN> I have never used it
10.22.57 #       <Bagder> it's basicly like the feature-requests
10.23.30 #       <Bagder> it'll be easier to get an overview, to assign them to people, to close already fixed ones etc
10.23.36 #       <LinusN> i like it
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10.26.26 #       <Bagder> Zagor: so what do you say about encouraging people to post all their patches that way instead?
10.27.16 #       <Zagor> the only downside i can think of is that there might be less discussion about the patches
10.28.02 #       <Bagder> yes, but I think we could have the initial posting get posted to the list
10.28.20 #       <Bagder> not all changes, just the initial one
10.29.42 #       <Zagor> yes
10.31.18 #       <mecraw|work> would sourceforge let you mark the patches as accepted/rejected/pending?
10.31.31 #       <Bagder> yes
10.31.31 #       <Zagor> yes
10.32.31 #       <mecraw|work> i think that would be good from the patcher's point of view, that way we would have a place to go to see the status of a patch
10.32.37 #       <Bagder> and we have a VOTE! ;-)
10.32.53 #       <Bagder> mecraw: I agree
10.33.06 #       <mecraw|work> and would keep people from sending mails to the list asking "Where's my patch?"
10.34.07 #       <mecraw|work> although it wouldn't keep me from crying when mine aren't excepted :)
10.35.00 #       <Bagder> hehe, but it would make it more clear when they are denied or just forgotten ;-)
10.35.40 #       <mecraw|work> s/excepted/accepted
10.36.12 #       <mecraw|work> speaking of patches... :)
10.36.31 #       <mecraw|work> i think multiline scroll isn't very useful
10.36.52 #       <mecraw|work> i got it working, but just found it confusing to look at
10.37.15 #       <Zagor> it could still be nice to have the option in wps.config
10.37.21 #       <Zagor> i haven't looked at the patch yet, though
10.38.34 #       <mecraw|work> i just made them all scroll in synch
10.38.49 #       <mecraw|work> maybe it would be better to have them cycle, one after the other
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10.53.39 #       <mecraw> Bagder: how about using sourceforge's survey functionality for the t-shirt vote?
10.56.29 #       <Bagder> hm, didn't think of that
10.57.30 #       <mecraw> might as well go all the way
10.58.07 #       <Bagder> I picked the email-way to reduce the possibilty of abuse
10.58.20 #       <matsl> mecraw|work: I have experimented with different scroll speed. One fast line and one slow. It wasn't that bad.
10.59.37 #       <mecraw> matsl: cool, i just wanted to see how hard it would be to do
11.00.00 #       <LinusN> personally, i don't liek having the names on the shirt
11.00.09 #       <LinusN> that list grows every day
11.00.13 #       <Bagder> me neither
11.00.17 #       <mecraw> especially since mine is missing  :)
11.00.26 #       <Bagder> but let's see what the people say
11.00.51 #       <matsl> mecraw: Scrolling both lines on the player at the same speed hurts my eyes.
11.01.02 #       <LinusN> and when a guy is awarded a shirt for a contribution, his name won't be on it, just a bunch of other people
11.01.19 #       <mecraw> matsl: same thing happened with me on the recorder
11.01.40 #       <mecraw> LinusN: not if you win
11.02.10 #       <matsl> mecraw: So we should introduce for the wps %sN where N is the scroll speed.
11.02.42 #       <mecraw> matsl: what about scroll one line through, stop it, then scroll the next line?
11.03.33 #       <matsl> mecraw: Maybe. An alternative to scroll is to display one word at the time.
11.03.43 #       <LinusN> mecraw: i will win anyway, since i pay the t-shirts
11.04.14 #       <matsl> mecraw: There are a lots of possibilities. ;-)
11.04.42 #       * Bagder added a few more people to the CREDITS
11.05.32 #       <LinusN> maybe add "...and myself" to the name list on the shirt
11.05.51 #       * mecraw weeps with joy after seeing the credits
11.06.22 #       <Bagder> I think it is important to include all contributors there
11.06.37 #       <mecraw> Are the designs going to be taken as is?  Or are you going to do some tweaks once the winner is chosen?
11.06.57 #       <Bagder> I think we'll need to tweak them, a little depending on which that wins of course
11.07.00 #       <mecraw> i.e. fix the spelling of "insturmental blues"
11.07.05 #       <Bagder> right ;-)
11.07.35 Mode    "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
11.07.43 Topic   "http://rockbox.haxx.se/tshirt-contest/vote.html" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
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11.09.33 #       <merwin> heya
11.09.36 #       <LinusN> yo
11.09.44 #       <merwin> So does the new custom wps scroll correctly on the recorder?
11.09.50 #       <mecraw> yes
11.09.53 #       <merwin> cool
11.09.57 #       <merwin> who did the update?
11.10.08 #       <Zagor> i did
11.10.16 #       <merwin> Zagor: i mean who wrote it?
11.10.26 #       <Zagor> lear (Magnus Holmström)
11.10.36 #       <merwin> Magnus... cool name :-)
11.11.28 #       <Bagder> 6 votes already
11.11.49 #       <Bagder> very diverse so far
11.11.53 #       <merwin> So, I was thinking, and it would probably be easily possible to update the scrolling text... Couldn't you just add an lcd_upate_scrolltext() function that just changes the text string?
11.12.12 #       * merwin needs to vote, but would feel bad about voting for himself
11.12.32 #       <Bagder> merwin: if you think yours is best, vote for yourself
11.12.51 #       <merwin> Bagder: heh, sounds good
11.13.14 #       <Bagder> I did ;-)
11.13.21 #       <Bagder> (vote for my own design)
11.14.08 #       <merwin> heh. There's some damn good ones.
11.14.16 #       <merwin> so what do you think about an update_scrolltext() function?
11.14.25 #       <merwin> the 2 line scrolling was nice also
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11.22.54 #       <quelsaruk> hi
11.23.00 #       <LinusN> yo
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11.29.42 #       <Bagder> a friend in Angola needs my money
11.29.53 #       <Bagder> I better send away all of it
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11.47.20 #       <rwood> Rolo2 is on its way to the mail list and i'm on my way to bed - 2:45 AM here
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11.47.46 #       <merwin|packing> Bagder: why did the WPS Settings get taken out? Is there ONLY the custom wps now?
11.48.10 #       <Bagder> I haven't taken anything out
11.48.29 #       <Zagor> merwin|packing: yes, only custom wps if you don't like the default
11.48.39 #       <merwin|packing> Bagder: oh, zagor did it
11.48.53 #       <Zagor> it's silly having several pieces of code doing the same thing
11.49.35 #       <merwin|packing> Zagor: True. Shouldn't there be more than one setting still? Just in case you want to change it for a bit and don't have a computer handy?
11.50.26 #       <Zagor> the chance that the bit you want to change is one of our predefined is so slim it's pointless
11.51.23 #       <merwin|packing> Zagor: I meant 2 custom ones, could even be defined in the same file
11.51.29 #       <merwin|packing> with a header line
11.51.33 #       <merwin|packing> <CUSTOM1>
11.51.34 #       <merwin|packing> <CUSTOM2>
11.51.46 Nick    merwin|packing is now known as merwin (~merwin@12.242.185.10)
11.52.09 #       <Zagor> ah, ok. yeah we could add the option to load several different wps configs. in fact, we should rename them to be called *.wps and let the tree browser load them...
11.52.26 #       <Bagder> neat idea
11.52.41 #       <Zagor> then we have no limit
11.53.00 #       <merwin> Zagor: that is a great idea
11.53.16 #       <Zagor> default.wps is loaded at boot
11.54.00 #       <merwin> Part of our goal, if I understand correctly, is "Ultimate Configuration, Without The Confusion (tm)"
11.54.01 #       <Zagor> or we can even save a short filename in the resume block
11.54.20 #       <Zagor> merwin: yes. but also Without The Messy Code
11.54.30 #       <merwin> Zagor: ahh, forgot that part!
11.54.47 #       <merwin> Zagor: I *try*, with my unfortunately limited knowledge of C
11.54.54 #       <Zagor> :-)
11.54.56 #       <merwin> and math, i suck at math
11.55.41 #       <mecraw> is wps.config reloaded after USB disconnect?
11.56.13 #       <merwin> mecraw: i dunno... it used to be loaded whenever you went into the wps function
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11.56.24 #       <merwin> mecraw: which I understand is only done once?
11.56.41 #       <Zagor> mecraw: currently no
11.57.00 #       <merwin> Zagor: another good function to add
11.57.01 #       <notch> did anyone get an email with a diff attached re: F2 button shuffle ?
11.57.02 #       <merwin> :)
11.57.06 #       <Zagor> it currently only loads at boot. the new tree loader feature will fix this.
11.57.24 #       <Zagor> notch: yes. but i'm having other plans for F2 so i'm not applying it
11.57.43 #       <mecraw> Zagor: new tree loader?
11.57.45 #       <notch> no worrires - just didnt turn up in my inbox...
11.57.59 #       <notch> for some reason!
11.58.08 #       <Zagor> mecraw: yes, loading *.wps files from the dir browser
11.58.42 #       <merwin> Zagor: are we only going to allow the .wps files to be located in the .rockbox folder? Because if we don't, the string saved onto disk for the next bootup will have to be MAX_PATH
11.59.21 #       <Zagor> merwin: we can load from anywhere, but only those stored in .rockbox will automatically resume. (and lets limit filename length to about 10 chars too)
12.00.01 #       * mecraw tries to go to sleep again
12.00.03 #       <merwin> Zagor: good idea. How much space do we have in the RTS (is that the correct term, i'm tired), and on the disk
12.00.04 #       <mecraw> night
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12.00.19 #       <Bagder> night mecraw
12.00.46 #       <Bagder> RTC is 44 bytes
12.00.49 #       <Bagder> the mem
12.00.58 #       <Zagor> merwin: rtc is rather crowded. this will go on disk only
12.01.40 #       <merwin> Zagor: why even bother using the RTC? :P
12.01.58 #       <Bagder> because it is faster to save there
12.02.09 #       <Zagor> merwin: to make sure settings are always up-to-date. otherwise you'd have to wait for disk spinup, like the players.
12.02.10 #       <Bagder> no need to spin up disk etc
12.02.46 #       <merwin> Zagor: so the important settings, like resume, get saved to the RTC, and the non-essential ones (that don't change very often) get saved to disk
12.03.13 #       <Zagor> no. all settings are saved on disk. some of them are also saved to rtc.
12.03.45 #       <Zagor> but rtc is written more frequently than disk, so on boot rtc values take precedence
12.03.47 #       <merwin> Zagor: ahh. k. How much room do we have on the disk? And should we consider an editable file at some point?
12.04.01 #       <Zagor> merwin: we currently use a single sector (512 bytes)
12.04.14 #       <Zagor> a writable file has pros and cons.
12.04.23 #       <merwin> Zagor: fat corruption is a bad con
12.04.28 #       <merwin> Zagor: archos firmware had that
12.04.42 #       <Zagor> yes. and a single sector is *very* quick to write. a file can be troublesome on full disks.
12.05.10 #       <Zagor> we will likely keep the sector solution for a while, at least
12.05.16 #       <merwin> Only if you have a disk with under like 1mb left :)
12.05.33 #       <Bagder> foood
12.05.45 #       <Zagor> merwin: even with 1G free on a 40G disk, it can take quite some time to locate free space
12.06.05 #       * merwin went canoeing (in a canoe of course) today... fun stuff
12.06.17 #       <merwin> Zagor: really? i never would have though that
12.07.17 #       <Zagor> merwin: the archos has this problem when recording. it sometimes takes a lot of time to start recording, because it searches for free disk space first
12.07.32 #       <merwin> ahh
12.11.58 #       <merwin> ok, bedtime
12.12.00 #       <merwin> ttyl
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12.29.59 #       <Blaster_Master> i wrote a little text about howto use the WPS command "%?". Who wants it ?? anyone interested...
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12.35.59 #       <PsycoXul> %s%?it<%it|%fn>/%?ia<%ia|%?d3<%d3|%?d2<%d2|%d1>>>
12.36.00 #       <PsycoXul> %pt%pb%pp/%pe
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12.50.24 #       <zodiac> hiya, can anyone pls help me? :)
12.56.00 #       <LinusN> i can try
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12.57.44 #       <zodiac> i just tried to copy the archos.mod file to my jukebox, i restart and the file is gone, is that right? :)
12.57.57 #       <LinusN> no
12.58.00 #       <zodiac> i might do something wrong, im not sure
12.58.04 #       <LinusN> windows or linux?
12.58.10 #       <zodiac> windows
12.58.20 #       <LinusN> player/recorder?
12.58.23 #       <LinusN> player
12.58.24 #       <LinusN> ok
12.58.35 #       <zodiac> jukebox studio 20
12.58.35 #       <zodiac> player
12.58.37 #       <LinusN> did you eject properly?
12.58.45 #       <zodiac> hmm i dunno :)
12.58.55 #       <LinusN> right-click on the device, and select "eject"
12.59.03 #       <zodiac> after copying?
12.59.08 #       <LinusN> of course
12.59.12 #       <Blaster_Master> oooh so the %? command is nested .. WOW :O
12.59.15 #       <zodiac> sorry im a noob :)
12.59.56 #       <zodiac> what about the locked hd issue does it happen often?
12.59.56 #       <LinusN> in the file explorer, right-click on the device, for example f:
13.00.00 #       <LinusN> no
13.00.06 #       <zodiac> im kinda scared :)
13.00.24 #       <LinusN> the file isn't written to the device until you eject
13.00.36 #       <LinusN> the lock issue is not rockbox specific
13.00.49 #       <LinusN> it can happen with the original firmware as well
13.00.56 #       <zodiac> ok, cool
13.01.20 #       <zodiac> brb
13.02.28 #       <zodiac> no eject button in explorer the one in the task bar?
13.02.45 #       <zodiac> i only have "safely remove hardware"
13.02.52 #       <LinusN> that's the one
13.03.21 #       <zodiac> hmm, the devide "Generic volume" cannot be stopped right now. try stopping the device again later
13.03.40 #       <LinusN> i am no windows guru
13.03.54 #       <LinusN> what windows version?
13.03.57 #       <zodiac> xp
13.04.06 #       <LinusN> oh, then i'm lost
13.04.09 #       <zodiac> lol
13.04.13 #       <quelsaruk> umm
13.04.15 #       <zodiac> thx a ton anyway!!
13.04.27 #       <quelsaruk> zodiac: do you have a usb icon at the tray?
13.04.27 #       <zodiac> i thought its worth a try :)
13.04.32 #       <zodiac> yea
13.04.33 #       <LinusN> before you safely remove the hardware, make sure that you don't have any explorer windows open
13.04.44 #       <zodiac> aah lemme try that
13.05.03 #       <quelsaruk> right click on it, and you may have something like disconnect usb HD
13.05.15 #       <zodiac> worked
13.05.23 #       <zodiac> ok im gonna copy now.. i guess :)
13.05.47 #       <zodiac> brb
13.05.55 #       <quelsaruk> i had win2k before... and that tends to happen a lot of times
13.05.56 #       <quelsaruk> :)
13.06.29 #       <quelsaruk> zodiac: if you don't disconnect correctly your jukebox, you may have problems with the partiton table 
13.06.48 #       <quelsaruk> so be always sure you've done it correctly
13.06.50 #       <quelsaruk> :)
13.08.54 #       <zodiac> hmm
13.08.58 #       <zodiac> and then?
13.09.11 #       <zodiac> need a coffee first :))
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13.11.34 #       <Norrin> Hello all.
13.11.45 #       <LinusN> hi
13.11.45 #       <quelsaruk> hi Norrin
13.11.55 #       <Norrin> First, let me tell you the Rockbox mod files are killer.
13.12.01 #       <Norrin> Excellent work.
13.12.18 #       <Norrin> Question concerning latest build 20020902.
13.12.26 #       <Norrin> Where did the WPS option go?
13.13.24 #       <Bagder> it took a hike ;-)
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13.14.31 #       <Bagder> seriously, the wps options are replaced with a fully customized wps
13.15.08 #       <Norrin> I have the Studio 20 which I have installed an IBM 40GB drive into.
13.15.45 #       <Norrin> Where are the wps options located now?  Not that I really need to use them but was curious about the feature.
13.16.04 #       <zodiac> i turned it on and i only see the start screen :jukebox ver:5.08 nothing else
13.16.34 #       <zodiac> fook, hd error
13.17.03 #       <Bagder> Norrin: "/.rockbox/wps.config"
13.17.32 #       <Bagder> you define that file according to how you want it to look
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13.18.19 #       <Norrin> This folder is created on the Jukebox?
13.18.44 #       <Bagder> yes, create the folder and then edit the file wps.config in it
13.18.48 #       <Bagder> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html
13.19.28 #       <LinusN> Bagder: is there a link to that somewhere on the page?
13.19.49 #       <Bagder> that link is in the faq, but I don't know if its anywhere else
13.20.01 #       <Bagder> it should be added to the manual for wps
13.20.04 #       <Norrin> Thanks, excellent.
13.20.48 #       <zodiac> ok, it seems its gone now :)
13.21.32 #       <Norrin> Another question, the wps.config goes in the directory "rockbox" correct?
13.21.44 #       <Bagder> ".rockbox"
13.21.51 #       <Bagder> with a dot first
13.21.54 #       <zodiac> i have a HD error, any clues?
13.21.58 #       <Norrin> Can't create .rockbox under Windows XP
13.22.07 #       <Bagder> Norrin: you need to do it in a dos prompt
13.22.19 #       <Norrin> Thanks again.
13.22.29 #       <Bagder> we'll need to document that too
13.23.18 #       <Norrin> What purpose does the . serve?
13.23.40 #       <Bagder> it makes the directory hidden if 'show hidden files' is Off
13.23.45 #       <zodiac> norrin, hide the file in unix
13.23.53 #       <Bagder> it's also a common linux/unix way of hiding files
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13.26.36 #       <zodiac> my device wont boot anymore, it only boots if its plugged into USB
13.26.51 #       <zodiac> HD ERROR :(
13.27.16 #       <Bagder> you ran a scandisk on it or similar?
13.27.39 #       <zodiac> after i copied the archos.mod it didnt boot anymore
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13.27.56 #       <zodiac> i deleted the archos.mod same error
13.28.08 #       <Bagder> you ran a scandisk on it or similar?
13.28.15 #       <zodiac> i can see the device in window tho
13.28.24 #       <zodiac> no scandisk
13.28.36 #       <Bagder> I think you should
13.28.47 #       <LinusN> zodiac: this is exactly why you must "safely remove" the archos
13.29.00 #       <zodiac> lunusN i did!
13.29.49 #       <Norrin> Bagder:  Thanks for the info.  Gotta go play with the settings.
13.30.40 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: i'm not sure, but, can windows handle .rockbox directory?
13.30.41 #       <LinusN> zodiac: did you safely remove the first time? when the archos.mod file was lost?
13.30.54 #       <zodiac> um, not really
13.30.55 #       <Bagder> quelsaruk: yes it can
13.31.07 #       <Bagder> quelsaruk: but you can't create it with the windows explorer crap
13.31.11 #       <zodiac> but it was gone then anyway after the next reboot
13.31.37 #       <zodiac> unable to complete the disk check
13.31.39 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: i use linux, but i thought windows couln't do that, just curiosity
13.31.41 #       <quelsaruk> :)
13.31.55 #       <Bagder> we've tried on several different versions, so we're pretty sure
13.32.22 #       <PsycoXul> yeah it takes it to be an extention and complains about having no filename, when i tried it
13.32.28 #       <PsycoXul> on win98
13.32.40 #       <Bagder> yes
13.32.45 #       <LinusN> silly windows
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13.32.54 #       <LinusN> use the command prompt
13.33.24 #       <PsycoXul> i just made the dir in linux earlier today... heh
13.33.59 #       <Hes2> Once someone digs into FAT writing, rockbox could create the directory if it doesn't exist
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13.34.03 #       <Norrin> quelsaruk:  Windows can handle it, just created it from the Command prompt in Windows XP.
13.34.17 #       <Bagder> Hes: that's a fair idea, indeed
13.34.26 #       <PsycoXul> Hes: yeah thats what i figured too
13.35.32 #       <quelsaruk> thx Norrin :)
13.36.03 #       <Norrin> I'm looking over the setting for the custom WPS now.  Trying to figure out what I want it to display.
13.37.19 #       <zodiac> ok i cant complete the scandisk
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13.38.51 #       <idefx> Hi. I try to compile CVS version of rockbox, but i've got a problem, it answer me: "/home/idefx/Documents/cvs/tools/main_menu.o: In function `seek_next':
13.39.05 #       <idefx> "home/idefx/Documents/cvs/tools/main_menu.o(.text+0x1b8): undefined reference to `strtok"
13.39.21 #       <Bagder> seek next sounds like a seek patch applied
13.39.39 #       <PsycoXul> so is the line-in's DAC input turned on in rockbox or is there any code for that or what? i'm getting stuff to make myself the patch cable i need to use it for a passthrough finaly...
13.39.39 #       <idefx> in fact, i don't really understand how the makefile works in this project.
13.40.01 #       <Bagder> you run linux?
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13.40.15 #       <idefx> seek is the patch i maid, it worked with simulation, but not in true compilation.
13.40.22 #       <PsycoXul> idefx: you should read the build instructions
13.40.22 #       <idefx> yeah, i run linux
13.40.30 #       <PsycoXul> idefx: it looks to me like you can configure from within the tools directory
13.40.33 #       <Bagder> idefx: yes, you use strtok() which is badness
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13.40.43 #       <PsycoXul> err
13.40.47 #       <PsycoXul> like you Ran not can
13.40.53 #       <zodiac> should i try to format the hd?
13.41.16 #       <PsycoXul> damn c's right next to the r
13.41.44 #       <Bagder> we should make the configure script check if it gets run within that dir
13.41.48 #       <idefx> PsycoXul:OK, i'm gonna try the good way.
13.41.50 #       <Bagder> and abort if done so
13.43.37 #       <Zagor> how nice of people to add whining comments to closed bugs :-)
13.43.48 #       <Norrin> zodiac:  can you access the jukebox via USB?
13.43.58 #       <zodiac> yea
13.44.06 #       <zodiac> but i cant do a scandisk
13.44.16 #       <PsycoXul> so whats the word on the line-in DAC input
13.44.18 #       <zodiac> it says scandisk could not be completed
13.44.30 #       <Norrin> Do you have any filenames longer then 32 characters?  This will cause a false HD error
13.44.35 #       <PsycoXul> or should i just go rtfc :p
13.44.57 #       <Norrin> does the archos.mod file exist in the root directory of the jukebox?
13.45.45 #       <zodiac> i deleted it after i noticed the hd error
13.45.59 #       <zodiac> but it didnt help :) still hd error
13.46.50 #       <Norrin> try putting it back, wait about a minute, then try "Safely removing" the device.
13.47.16 #       <zodiac> what if i format the hd now?
13.48.25 #       <Norrin> Just read the Archos FAQ, it says you should format it with FAT32 to fix the error.
13.49.06 #       <Norrin> http://www.archos.com/us/support/tech_jb6000_faq.html#u1
13.49.08 #       <zodiac> k im gonna try that then, since i cant access it anymore
13.50.46 #       <Norrin> Good luck.
13.50.54 #       <idefx> well, as it worked with simulated version... Is there a strcasetr(char *s1,char *s2) equivalent ??
13.51.05 #       <Bagder> no
13.51.34 #       <zodiac> dang, now i cant even access it with usb
13.51.39 #       <Bagder> now check my configure diff ;-)
13.52.06 #       <Bagder> "I know better than you"-patch
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13.52.32 #       <Zagor> Bagder: we should probably look for the FILES files too, so it's not ran in the apps/firmware/uisimulator dirs
13.52.52 #       <Zagor> that's a common mistake
13.52.56 #       <Bagder> it is?
13.53.00 #       <Zagor> yes
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13.53.26 #       <Zagor> or, uh, no
13.53.43 #       <Zagor> the Makefiles should check that they are not ran directly. *that's* a common mistake
13.53.49 #       <Bagder> ah, right
13.54.15 #       <Bagder> originally I thought it was handy to allow that, in case you want to do something special
13.54.30 #       <Bagder> but I guess people don't get my original intension ;-)
13.54.37 #       <Zagor> i don't think so, it causes more confusion than good
13.54.53 #       <Bagder> but the gnush-people must do it that way... :-/
13.55.00 #       <Zagor> really?
13.55.05 #       <Zagor> why?
13.55.16 #       <Bagder> because windows-people don't fix their problems
13.55.25 #       <Bagder> they suffer
13.55.56 #       <Bagder> thw gnush makefiles are very similar to the real ones
13.56.15 #       <idefx> well, as it worked with simulated version... Is there a strcasetr(char *s1,char *s2) equivalent ??
13.56.25 #       <Bagder> no
13.56.37 #       <Bagder> is there a simulated one?
13.57.08 #       <idefx> Badger: Well, i succeeded in compile this stuff while i compiled it as normal.
13.57.20 #       <idefx> so, yes, there is a simulated one.
13.57.28 #       <Bagder> odd
13.57.34 #       <idefx> So, i should my own strcasestr...
13.57.47 #       <Bagder> where is that from? there's no standard function named like that
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13.58.49 #       <idefx> Badger: not standard, but commonly implemented. It's like strstr, but case-insensitive.
13.59.10 #       <Bagder> I realized that, but since you could link using that, it somehow is somewhere
13.59.20 #       * Bagder runs on a meeting
13.59.44 #       <idefx> yep, but i didn't compile the good way (running ./configure ; make from tools dir)
14.00.07 #       <Norrin> zodiac, any luck?
14.00.42 #       <idefx> anyone can explain me what is the way to add a file, i mean, to get it well compiled ? i can't understand the makefiles
14.03.03 #       <LinusN> idefx: just create the file, "make clean" and "make"
14.03.19 #       <LinusN> the file must be added in either "firmware" or in "apps"
14.04.52 #       <Norrin> Anyone know how to permanently remove the Jukebox drive from System Restore without disabling System Restore?
14.05.12 #       <zodiac> norrin not really :) i still cant access it in both ways
14.05.24 #       * Zagor assumes "System Restore" is some MSWin mumbo jumbo
14.05.33 #       <datazone> heehee
14.05.45 #       <Norrin> I have to turn off system restore for my Jukebox everytime I connect it to the USB.
14.06.03 #       <Norrin> Zagor is right, System Restore is Windows XP mumbo jumbo
14.06.18 #       <Norrin> More like Voodoo I think but what are ya gonna do?
14.06.22 #       <Zagor> anyone feel like drawing an icon for *.wps files?
14.06.33 #       * Zagor looks around for dwihno
14.07.57 #       <idefx> LinusN: looks easy. Thanks
14.08.21 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: what kind of icon?
14.08.34 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: 6x8, for the dir browser
14.08.52 #       * LinusN just found a very nasty ATA bug
14.08.59 #       <Zagor> we also need a "firmware" icon soon
14.09.04 #       <Zagor> LinusN: ah, what?
14.09.32 #       <LinusN> a mutex_unlock in perform_soft_reset()
14.09.44 #       <Zagor> boo!
14.10.04 #       * LinusN is to blame
14.10.10 #       <idefx> should i use strtok_r or strtok ??
14.11.33 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: any predefined idea, or just what my imagination wants to work?
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14.12.22 #       <LinusN> i also found another not so nice "feature"
14.12.24 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: just anything. i don't have any idea for symbols
14.13.03 #       <quelsaruk> i'll try so, but can't promise anything. If i like it, i'll send to you :)
14.13.26 #       <langhaarrocker> I ran tools/configure (with cygwin) and got 
14.13.26 #       <langhaarrocker> 27: Syntax error: "then" unexpected (expecting "}")
14.13.48 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: that's all I ask
14.13.53 #       <Zagor> LinusN: what was that?
14.13.53 #       <quelsaruk> :)
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14.14.06 #       <LinusN> if the ata spindown timer timed out during an opendir(), the opendir fails
14.14.17 #       <Zagor> how come?
14.14.23 #       <LinusN> don't know yet
14.14.27 #       <Zagor> ok
14.15.49 #       <Bagder> langhaarrocker: ok, me check it
14.15.51 #       <Bagder> out
14.16.37 #       <langhaarrocker> Bagder: fine :)
14.17.34 #       <Norrin> Zodiac:  Can you tell me exactly how your hooking up your Jukebox?  Not being able to see what your doing, need to know each step your taking.
14.17.40 #       <langhaarrocker> Is that right that there now is no way for any dynamic memory usage? No way to build a dynamically growing list?
14.17.56 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: correct
14.18.05 #       <langhaarrocker> <sniff>
14.18.39 #       <Zagor> I need to write a long FAQ about that...
14.19.21 #       <datazone> linus....
14.20.31 >>>     "seen" used by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented]
14.20.42 #       <LinusN> yes
14.20.50 >>>     "whoami" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
14.20.57 >>>     "sview" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
14.20.58 #       <datazone> you know what daddy needs  :)
14.21.10 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: not for me - I can imagine enough reasons for disabling dyn mem.
14.21.29 #       <LinusN> datazone: did i miss something?
14.21.37 #       <datazone> splashsound
14.21.40 #       <LinusN> hahaha
14.23.27 #       <quelsaruk> must go!
14.23.32 #       <quelsaruk> see you later
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14.34.12 #       <Bagder> ugha
14.34.14 #       <Bagder> darned cvs
14.34.47 #       <Zagor> Bagder: ?
14.35.02 #       <Zagor> ooh, conflict
14.35.13 #       <Zagor> why'dya check in that? ;)
14.35.15 #       <Bagder> I got those darned conflict indicators in there
14.35.22 #       <langhaarrocker> Has the dynamic memory topic been discussed in the mailing list? I didn't find anything useful at 1st attempt.
14.35.35 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: it has, in the 200 dir limit discussion
14.35.43 #       <zodiac> rofl, it works now
14.36.06 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: Thanx, I'll check.
14.36.07 #       <idefx> whye does the compiler says me:" undefined reference to `strtok'
14.36.21 #       <Bagder> idefx: I told you
14.36.25 #       <Bagder> there is no such function
14.36.35 #       <Bagder> it is called strtok_r() in the target
14.36.43 #       <Bagder> and is used a little differently
14.36.47 #       <idefx> Badger: OK
14.37.08 #       <idefx> Badger: sorry, but, you just told me that strtok is bad. ;)
14.37.23 #       <Bagder> uh, sorry
14.37.31 #       <Bagder> I'm not verbose enough at times
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14.42.12 #       <idefx> you're welcome :)
14.42.29 #       <Bagder> 11 votes so far
14.43.36 #       <idefx> Badger: how does strtok_r works please ??
14.44.05 #       <Bagder> char *
14.44.05 #       <Bagder> strtok_r(char *ptr, const char *sep, char **end)
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14.47.41 #       <LinusN> Hes: are you there?
14.52.09 #       <idefx> Badger: thanks
14.52.56 #       <LinusN> Hes: you should try the latest ata.c to see if the skipping is gone
14.53.06 #       <Hes> Ok
14.53.07 #       <Hes> I will
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14.54.54 #       <Zagor> yikes. have you seen the walmart $199 PC? hard to beat that price...
14.55.25 #       <Bagder> whoa
14.55.59 #       <Zagor> 128 MB ram, 10 gig disk, 52x CDROM, Integrated 100mbit ethernet, Linux pre-installed
14.56.20 #       <Zagor> computer, keyboard, mouse & speakers. no screen.
14.56.23 #       <Bagder> 800MHz celeron
14.56.37 #       <Zagor> VIA C3 even
14.56.41 #       <Bagder> ah, no "comparable to 800MHz celeron"
14.57.20 #       <Bagder> amazing anyway
14.57.30 #       <Zagor> yup
14.58.19 #       <Zagor> "Games include Tron, Battleship, Poker, Minesweeper, Potato Guy" :-)
14.58.29 #       <Zagor> can't live without Potato Guy
14.58.41 #       <Bagder> they don't have wormlet! ;-)
14.58.46 #       <Zagor> hehe
14.59.08 #       <Zagor> we should write a breakout/pong soon. we need more action in the games! :)
14.59.34 #       <Bagder> I agree
14.59.38 #       <Bagder> I want a breakout
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15.02.23 #       <idefx> Yes, another undefined reference for you guys: i have installed the rolo patch, and if i try to compile for simulation, i get an undefined reference (whiche i don't get in native compiling) to rolo_load_app
15.03.13 #       <Bagder> rolo shouldn't be built like that when simulated
15.03.29 #       <Bagder> we can't simulate rolo
15.04.06 #       <Bagder> so... don't use the patch or fix the code :-)
15.04.13 #       <Zagor> i'll fix rolo now
15.04.21 #       <Bagder> neato
15.05.55 #       <idefx> OK, thks
15.09.22 #       <LinusN> hehe, using short ata timeouts is really fun
15.09.32 #       <Zagor> LinusN: do you get it working ok?
15.09.50 #       <LinusN> it seems to work a lot better, at least
15.10.02 #       <Zagor> goodie
15.10.04 #       <LinusN> but i never had skips
15.10.20 #       <idefx> well, how do I use rolo ??
15.10.31 #       <Zagor> idefx: it's not there yet
15.10.35 #       <LinusN> but i tried with a short ata timeout before the fix and had a lot of opendir errors
15.10.48 #       <LinusN> but not after the fix
15.10.53 #       <Zagor> LinusN: sounds good
15.10.58 #       <idefx> but i get a patch this afternoon, it doesn't work ?
15.11.20 #       <LinusN> the problem is that the mpeg thread spins down the disk immediately, even if another thread uses ATA
15.11.20 #       <Zagor> idefx: yes it does. just apply it and klick "play" on a firmware file
15.12.09 #       <Zagor> LinusN: right. i couldn't come up with a good solution for that.
15.12.33 #       <LinusN> maybe some kind of "grace period" after an ata access
15.12.42 #       <LinusN> i don't know
15.13.15 #       <Zagor> i was thinking that too, but it didn't feel right
15.13.49 #       <LinusN> or some kind of an "ata session" concept
15.13.59 #       <LinusN> to tell when you'r done
15.14.20 #       <LinusN> start session. read....read...read...end session
15.14.26 #       <Zagor> ugh, can't say that makes my heart sing either... :-)
15.14.33 #       <idefx> well, i may not be very good, i can't find where/when i can press play on a firmware.. 
15.14.35 #       <LinusN> hehe, mine neither
15.14.55 #       <LinusN> idefx: turn off the m3u/mp3 filter
15.15.38 #       <idefx> LinusN: Whow ! this stuff is impressive !
15.17.07 #       <LinusN> the rolo?
15.17.31 #       <idefx> yep.
15.17.47 #       <LinusN> yeah, it's cool
15.18.00 #       <LinusN> i hope zagor can merge that patch soon
15.18.01 #       <idefx> this is what i waited for a few mounth to definitly install rockbox in my archos. 
15.18.13 #       <LinusN> chicken :-)
15.18.57 #       <idefx> nice to wait till everything works well!
15.19.02 #       <LinusN> idefx: out of curiosity, what is lacking in rockbox that makes you want to load the original? recording?
15.19.37 #       <idefx> recording.
15.19.55 #       <LinusN> idefx: if everyone waited until everything worked well, we would never have found any bugs
15.20.22 #       <Bagder> we can't complain on the bravery of people
15.20.29 #       <LinusN> not at all
15.20.49 #       <LinusN> especially dwihno, still our hero
15.20.55 #       <Bagder> hhe
15.21.01 #       <LinusN> it was him, wasn't it?
15.21.08 #       <Bagder> yes it was
15.21.16 #       <Bagder> first ever recorder rockbox
15.21.45 #       <LinusN> nobody had tested it before, and he tried it on his second day as an Archos owner
15.22.11 #       <Bagder> grep -c archos200 /var/log/httpd/rockbox-access_log 
15.22.11 #       <Bagder> 3259
15.22.33 #       <Bagder> daily builds
15.22.38 #       <LinusN> woo
15.22.40 #       <Zagor> ah
15.22.43 #       <Zagor> coolers
15.23.01 #       <Bagder> those daily builds have turned out really useful
15.23.08 #       <idefx> mainly
15.23.08 #       <idefx> perhaps a lack of stability last time i tried (rockbox 1)
15.23.08 #       <idefx> LinusN: that's why i'm coding the function of my dream: a seeking function
15.23.08 DBUG    Enqueued KICK idefx
15.23.08 #       <idefx> LinusN: i wasn't waiting, i could'nt find time to code. And i shouldn't code now too, for i have a flat to find ;)
15.25.15 #       <idefx> LinusN: And his archos is still alive ?
15.25.22 #       <LinusN> oh yeah
15.25.35 #       <idefx> So it is a hero, but not a martyr. 
15.25.41 #       <Bagder> hahaha
15.25.41 #       <LinusN> :-)
15.25.42 #       <Bagder> right
15.25.54 #       <Bagder> there's a very subtle difference :-)
15.26.31 #       <idefx> it's good for us that there is no rockbox martyr (yet), this way, people can believe that we are not a sect
15.26.52 #       <LinusN> zodiac seems close to becoming the first rockbox martyr... :-)
15.27.21 #       <LinusN> or rather WinXP martyr...
15.27.37 #       <idefx> then he won't be the first one i'm affraid...
15.28.35 #       <Bagder> no
15.28.46 #       <Bagder> windows people often lose their fat due to bad disconnects
15.29.18 #       <LinusN> gotta go now! bye!
15.29.23 #       <Bagder> bye LinusN
15.29.27 Part    LinusN
15.29.29 #       <idefx> well, windows and weight-watchers shound merge..
15.29.43 #       <Bagder> B-]
15.30.50 #       <Bagder> Zagor: red build red build
15.31.14 #       <Zagor> oops
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15.33.19 #       <zodiac> later all :)
15.33.27 #       <Bagder> bye zodiac
15.33.45 #       <zodiac> no martyr here, it runs fine again btw :)
15.34.15 #       <idefx> Yep !
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15.35.00 #       <idefx> i have a segfault using strtok_r. anyone can tell me what is the end ptr and how to use it ?
15.35.31 #       <Bagder> idefx: check firmware/common/dir.c for an example
15.35.39 #       <idefx> Bagder : thks !
15.37.15 #       <idefx> Bagder wonderful, i have understand my mistake !
15.37.24 #       <Bagder> goddie
15.46.20 #       <idefx> Hehe, my patch works now !!!
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15.50.11 #       <bobTHC> hi everybody!
15.50.15 #       <Bagder> hey bobTHC
15.50.23 #       <idefx> heu... It's quiete slow in the true device... but, it may works ;')
15.50.28 #       <idefx> I have to go, bye
15.50.34 #       <Bagder> bye idefx
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16.15.47 #       <bobTHC> why the new features request on sourceforge aren't mailed like it's used to be ?
16.16.06 #       <Bagder> they're mailed to the rockbox-sf mailing list
16.16.19 #       <Bagder> you need to subscribe to it to get them
16.16.38 #       <bobTHC> escuse me....
16.16.43 #       <bobTHC> sorry 
16.17.00 #       <Bagder> no problemo
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16.28.06 #       <bobTHC> a lot of ppl already vote fot the tshirt contest?
16.28.09 #       <Bagder> oh, office meeting tonight
16.28.23 #       <Bagder> 11 votes
16.28.31 #       <bobTHC> 12 with mine ;)
16.28.37 #       <Bagder> :-)
16.29.31 #       <bobTHC> I view a lot of "just in time" design submission....
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16.29.50 #       <quelsaruk> hi
16.29.53 #       <alkorr> i prefer not to vote. Voting for me is too hard especially some can be mixed for better design
16.30.24 #       <bobTHC> I'm ok with u alkorr mixed can be a good deal..
16.31.37 #       <Bagder> well I still want to know which one(s) people prefer ;-)
16.34.47 #       <quelsaruk> hey.. someone has created a german version...
16.34.49 #       <quelsaruk> arggg
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16.45.20 DBUG    Enqueued KICK dwihno
16.45.53 #       <Bagder> hey dwihno
16.45.54 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder:if i can remember, we spoke about multi-language support here, at the channel, so maybe if you have the log you could post it at the mail-list.
16.46.15 #       <Bagder> I posted my suggestion back then as well
16.46.16 #       <dwihno> Hi Bagder!
16.46.24 #       <Bagder> and I replied now with a pointer to that posting
16.46.40 #       <quelsaruk> ok
16.46.40 #       <quelsaruk> :)
16.47.08 #       <Bagder> I understand people want other languages supported
16.47.21 #       <quelsaruk> i have nearly finished multi-language support at compile-time
16.47.49 #       <Bagder> I gotta go now, see ya
16.47.50 #       <quelsaruk> i had some problems with the cross compiler
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16.47.54 #       <quelsaruk> bye
16.50.00 #       <dwihno> Btw, leaving the configuration menu with the left button also restarts the current track
16.50.15 #       <Zagor> dwihno: fix coming up
16.50.33 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Ah, *joy* :D
16.50.42 #       <Zagor> committed
16.50.57 #       <dwihno> Darn! That's what I'd call a quick fix!
16.51.15 #       <quelsaruk> hehehe
16.51.18 #       <dwihno> "If you want to order YOUR quick fix, just call 1-800-FIXFIX - it's on sale for only 9.99!"
16.51.20 #       <quelsaruk> that happens to me also
16.51.39 #       <dwihno> *sync with cvs*
16.53.44 #       <dwihno> Is it possible to get newlines in the custom WPS? :)
16.53.57 #       <dwihno> %?d2<%d2|(root)>
16.53.57 #       <dwihno> %d1
16.53.57 #       <dwihno> %s%fn
16.53.57 #       <dwihno> %pr (%pt) [%pp:%pe]
16.54.00 #       <dwihno> this is how mine looks
16.54.11 #       <Zagor> dwihno: no
16.54.17 #       <dwihno> *sniff* :~)
16.54.18 #       <Zagor> the wps is handled line-by-line
16.54.32 #       <Zagor> most newline cases can be handled by conditional tags
16.54.59 #       <dwihno> I stayed up until 2am trying to solve it last night
16.55.05 #       <dwihno> then I gave up
16.55.11 #       <Zagor> hehe
16.55.40 #       <dwihno> Maybe you can help me out with a trick or two :)
16.55.50 #       <dwihno> My dir structure is a bit like this:
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16.56.07 #       <dwihno> /Dance/Artist - album/01. track.mp3
16.56.25 #       <dwihno> I also want it to parse /Dance/Artist - track.mp3 and still not making everything ugly
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16.57.45 #       <dwihno> but it still works
16.57.50 #       <dwihno> so I'm not complaining
16.57.51 #       <dwihno> ;)
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16.59.51 #       <dwihno> Zagor: the time display should also be removed allowing the custom WPS to hide it :)
17.00.42 #       <marvincbr> where can i find info on the daily builbs
17.00.47 #       <marvincbr> builds
17.00.57 #       <dwihno> Pressing left still to exit the menu still restarts the current track
17.01.05 Ctcp    Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 hour and 22 minutes at the last flood
17.01.05 #       * dwihno - the official pain in the ass
17.01.10 #       <dwihno> (official sidekick of the codepolice) ;)
17.01.30 #       <Zagor> buh, of course it does. /me silly
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17.02.03 #       <dwihno> Hey, I got a job interview tomorrow :D
17.02.09 #       <dwihno> *hooray for me* (or something like that)
17.03.29 #       <dwihno> Trolla the time display away too ;)
17.07.18 #       <Zagor> gotta go. see you later
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17.07.24 #       <dwihno> cul8r
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17.25.45 #       <bobTHC> dexter : un francais d'outre mer!
17.29.00 #       <quelsaruk> dwihno: are you triyng to make an icon for *.wps ?
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17.46.49 #       <dwihno> quelsaruk: what icon?
17.47.59 #       * dwihno looks like a question mark
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17.52.04 #       <quelsaruk> dwihno: before, when you were away, zagor asked if anyone could make an icon for *.wps files
17.52.12 #       <quelsaruk> and he looked to you
17.52.13 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.52.33 #       <quelsaruk> i said that i could try, but i don't get any idea for the icon
17.53.15 #       <dwihno> heh
17.53.24 #       * dwihno - font & gfx slave ;)
17.53.47 #       <dwihno> what resolutions are the icons?
17.53.49 #       <dwihno> 8x8?
17.53.54 #       <quelsaruk> 6x8
17.54.01 #       <quelsaruk> too small
17.54.02 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.54.05 #       <dwihno> naaah :)
17.54.10 #       <dwihno> nothing is too small
17.54.14 #       <dwihno> 1x1 might be ;)
17.54.17 #       <quelsaruk> jajajja
17.54.19 #       <quelsaruk> maybe
17.54.22 #       <quelsaruk> i have an idea
17.55.10 #       <quelsaruk> i don't know the english word, maybe you can imagine what i want to say with "clave de Sol"??
17.55.21 #       <dwihno> erhm
17.55.28 #       <quelsaruk> it's the symbol of rockbox
17.55.29 #       <dwihno> baguette con keso, por favor?
17.55.33 #       <dwihno> siempre ibama
17.55.37 #       <dwihno> a G-clave?
17.55.45 #       <quelsaruk> i suppose
17.55.52 #       <dwihno> That's only good for music files :)
17.56.11 #       <quelsaruk> but how can you represent the wps in a 6x8?
17.56.24 #       <quelsaruk> it must be related with display and music...
17.56.26 #       <quelsaruk> i suppose
17.56.46 #       <dwihno> display + custimizability
17.56.48 #       <quelsaruk> (i'm good making 100x70cm posters, but not tiny things)
17.57.09 #       <dwihno> I'm good making silly stuff
17.57.33 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.57.51 #       <pimlottc> icons are 5x7 for player
17.57.52 #       <dwihno> Hence my T-shirt productions ;)
17.58.15 #       <quelsaruk> which one is yours?
17.58.42 #       <dwihno> those with the "Magnus Öman" stamp :)
17.58.46 #       <quelsaruk> ok
17.58.50 #       <quelsaruk> i'l look at them
18.03.07 #       <bobTHC> nice evil...
18.03.47 #       <dwihno> the devil'ish thingy?
18.06.53 #       <bobTHC> yep
18.07.36 #       <bobTHC> what u think bout 5 ?
18.09.15 #       <dwihno> pretty neat :)
18.10.54 #       <bobTHC> just neat? ;)
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18.10.57 #       <dwihno> damn it's hard to make a icon that small
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18.16.14 #       <quelsaruk> i told you dwihno!!
18.17.27 #       <bobTHC> u want to make a G-clave on 5x7 ?
18.17.33 #       <quelsaruk> no
18.17.34 #       <quelsaruk> :)
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18.18.07 #       <Norrin> Customized WPS rocks.  Awesome addition!
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18.22.36 #       <Norrin> Quick question, where can I find information about the FF/Rewind Accel?  What does the 2x mean?
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18.26.31 #       <quelsaruk> dwihno: where are you from?
18.26.55 #       <Dexter> who speak french please ?!!!
18.27.09 #       <quelsaruk> Dexter: not me :(
18.28.28 #       <bobTHC> me
18.28.39 #       <bobTHC> moi dexter
18.29.44 #       <quelsaruk> multi-language support seems to work :)
18.29.56 #       <quelsaruk> i hope i can finish it today!
18.34.15 #       <bobTHC> somebody already try to compil on Cygwin  with winXP?
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18.34.54 #       <alkorr> yep me
18.35.11 #       <bobTHC> and that's work?
18.35.14 #       <alkorr> yep
18.36.11 #       <bobTHC> alkor go private with dexter he want some help in french ... ;)
18.36.54 #       <alkorr> no problemo
18.38.07 #       <dwihno> quelsaruk: sweden
18.39.14 #       <quelsaruk> ok dwihno, it was to know which languages to *try* to include to the firmware for tomorrow :) 
18.39.32 #       <quelsaruk> but as i said.. just try ;)
18.40.41 #       <bobTHC> quelsaruk : it's a translation utility for the code or just a sweden patch ? sorry if i miss a line...
18.41.21 #       <bobTHC> french!
18.41.51 #       <bobTHC> quelsaruk : french 
18.42.26 #       <quelsaruk> it's a compile-time language selector
18.42.32 #       <quelsaruk> it's just a test
18.42.37 #       <bobTHC> ok nice
18.42.57 #       <quelsaruk> if zagor likes, i suppose you can even download your language firmware from the website
18.43.26 #       <quelsaruk> CVS is a great advance :)
18.43.30 #       <bobTHC> I'm volonteer for french version
18.44.11 #       <quelsaruk> adding a language will only need to change some macros, so don't worry :)
18.44.35 #       <quelsaruk> i suppose everyone will have the chance to help, but just if the *big boss* likes the idea
18.44.37 #       <quelsaruk> :)
18.44.43 #       <bobTHC> just for the word translation i understand
18.46.15 #       <bobTHC> yep we already talk about translation and it's ok but after its a question of "how to" and he's perahps not agree with ure method
18.46.16 #       <Dexter> good idea !!
18.46.27 #       <alkorr> just a question, if you have a girl friend who only speaks french and you only spanish, how can I lend my jukebox ?
18.46.36 #       <quelsaruk> jaja
18.46.38 #       <quelsaruk> using rolo
18.46.42 #       <quelsaruk> or calling me
18.46.46 #       <quelsaruk> XDD
18.47.15 #       <quelsaruk> i spoke this zagor, bagder and someone else, and this was the best solution.. but just in teory
18.47.16 #       <bobTHC> 1-800-MULTILANG !
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18.47.33 #       <alkorr> bob :)
18.48.25 #       <quelsaruk> well, i must go!
18.48.30 #       <bobTHC> bye
18.48.44 #       <alkorr> tschüss !
18.48.50 #       <quelsaruk> see you tomorrow
18.49.03 #       <bobTHC> C U!
18.49.09 #       <quelsaruk> and let see what the great men say :)
18.49.21 #       <bobTHC> always
18.49.29 #       <quelsaruk> always?
18.49.47 #       <alkorr> beware, big brothers are watching you with IRC logs !!!! ;)
18.49.51 #       <bobTHC> never break the rule... to see what the great men say
18.50.00 #       <quelsaruk> jajaja
18.50.00 #       <quelsaruk> ok
18.50.02 #       <quelsaruk> see you 
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18.50.34 #       <bobTHC> It' really a international dev team...
18.50.53 #       <alkorr> multi-racial
18.51.25 #       <alkorr> i'm ironic of coures
18.51.39 #       <bobTHC> multi os too ;)
18.52.01 #       <Norrin> Hello Rockbox experts, where can I find info on the FF/Rewind Accel function?  I can adjust the seconds but what is the 2x for?
18.52.17 #       <alkorr> not my skills
18.52.54 #       <bobTHC> 2x i don't use it but i suppose it's 2x the original speed
18.53.36 #       <bobTHC> for a 10sec ff press button durin 5 sec
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18.54.08 #       <Norrin> So the 2x/5s is actually a 10sec setting?
18.55.38 #       <bobTHC> i don't no but i think so (some ppl use very long audiobook mp3) and the previous setting are too short so perhaps he add the 2x.. 
18.55.54 #       <bobTHC> it'sonly supposition
18.56.35 #       <bobTHC> anybody more efficient ? ;)
18.56.56 #       <bobTHC>  C U later!
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19.30.21 #       <Jet8810> hey guys
19.30.34 #       <Jet8810> what do I need to do to get archos studio 20 to work in mandrake 8.2?
19.37.13 #       <alkorr> to recompile the kernel with USB and ISD200 on
19.38.02 #       <Jet8810> alright thanks
19.38.20 #       <alkorr> unless there is already  compiled modules for that
19.38.28 #       <Jet8810> yea im not sure
19.38.33 #       <Jet8810> i am a new linux guy :)
19.38.37 #       <Jet8810> first time ever using it so.
19.38.39 #       <Jet8810> .............
19.39.03 #       <alkorr> ah yes, not an easy task :/
19.41.00 #       <Jet8810> hehe
19.42.28 #       <alkorr> it is a long time since I didn't recompile linux, I know there is "make xmenu' or something like to launch the kernel setup windows under X 
19.42.58 #       <alkorr> just look at USB part and found what it must be check for ISD200 drivers
19.44.13 #       <alkorr> once setup is done, well type "make" then "make modules" then "make install install_modules" and it should be okay I think
19.44.38 #       <alkorr> you must be familiar with DOS-commands i think
19.44.57 #       <alkorr> i mean DIS-like commands
19.45.00 #       <datazone> Jet8810: am, it probably has that support in there already
19.45.02 #       <alkorr> DOS-like
19.45.04 #       <datazone> do a "lsmod"
19.45.19 #       <alkorr> yes good idea
19.45.29 #       <Jet8810> yea
19.45.32 #       <datazone> or a "dmesg" after you plug in and turned on your jukebox
19.45.34 #       <datazone> it will show it
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20.28.44 #       <Snorlax> u wanna know something kewl?!?!
20.28.49 #       <Bagder> sure!
20.29.17 #       <Snorlax> the bassist in the great punk band Green Day has got a jukebox recorder!
20.29.26 #       <Snorlax> probably rockbox!
20.30.15 #       <Snorlax> weheej!
20.30.28 #       <Bagder> heheh
20.30.30 #       <Snorlax> he's famous man!
20.31.32 #       <Bagder> does that make us semi-famous now? B-]
20.32.21 #       <Snorlax> you're practicly on MTV!
20.32.23 #       <Snorlax> =)
20.32.29 #       <Bagder> woooo
20.35.54 #       <Hes> Snorlax: wow. How do you know? 8-)
20.36.19 #       <Snorlax> I saw it on MTV, some tour spacial with Green Day!
20.36.31 #       <Hes> cool.
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20.51.49 #       <pimlottc> now you have to email him about rockbox
20.52.04 #       <pimlottc> then when he switches put a quote up on the page :)
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21.28.59 #       <WS64> Hello :)
21.30.35 #       <pimlottc> hey
21.30.55 #       <WS64> pimlottc, did you get my messages?
21.31.09 #       <pimlottc> yeah
21.31.13 #       <pimlottc> where's the file again
21.31.19 #       <WS64> http://www.ws64.com/archos/ArchosUnlock.exe
21.32.20 #       <pimlottc> dling
21.32.55 #       <WS64> That should put it into the IRC log files, so even if the actual version is not okay (but I guess it is) at THAT URL there will be a working version soon
21.33.13 #       <pimlottc> heh
21.33.51 #       <Snorlax> what does that archosunlock file do?
21.34.21 #       <WS64> Snorlax, a windows program to create a Linux boot disk to unlock the Archos
21.34.46 #       <WS64> Should help with http://rockbox.haxx.se/lock.html
21.34.50 #       <pimlottc> at least that's the idea, not sure if it works yet
21.35.05 #       <Snorlax> k =)
21.37.35 #       <Snorlax> what is ws64?!?
21.38.00 #       <WS64> Initials and birthyear. And I'm NOT William Shakespeare *g*
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21.38.16 #       <pimlottc> will smith?
21.38.23 #       <elinenbe> hello there.
21.38.31 #       <WS64> Was he born in 64 too?
21.38.36 #       <WS64> Hi elinenbe
21.38.57 #       <pimlottc> I wasn't aware Shakespeare was 
21.39.33 #       <WS64> pimlottc, he was... Just a different century *g*
21.40.14 #       <pimlottc> ha, nice
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22.12.24 #       <elinenbe> hi merwin
22.12.47 #       <merwin> hey elinenbe
22.12.49 #       <merwin> sup?
22.12.54 #       <elinenbe> nothing much.
22.13.08 #       <elinenbe> just paing around with the new WPS stuff.
22.13.14 #       <elinenbe> s/paying/paying
22.13.17 #       <elinenbe> s/paying/playing
22.13.19 #       <elinenbe> ug!
22.13.58 #       <merwin> I haven't had a chance yet to play with it
22.14.00 #       <merwin> looks really good though
22.14.01 #       <WS64> No paying options on rockbox *g*
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22.14.31 #       <merwin> that's definately taking my custom wps to the next level :-)
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22.20.29 #       * KmdrTaco offers mad props to the rockbox developers.
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22.21.39 #       <KmdrTaco> I just got my archos a few days ago, and was pleased to see a project well underway to replace its system.
22.23.19 #       <KmdrTaco> Does rockbox has the ability to shuffle the entire contents of the archos into a monster playlist?
22.24.58 #       <dwihno> no, but it's planned for 1.4
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22.25.14 #       <dwihno> well, if you have it as a single playlist, you can do it with 1.3
22.25.22 #       <dwihno> but no auto-building of playlists yet.
22.27.19 #       <KmdrTaco> ls -R > monster_playlist.m3u
22.27.19 #       <KmdrTaco> I guess that'll do for now ;)
22.28.00 #       <KmdrTaco> The only feature I desire is the ability to delete tracks from the unit.
22.28.01 #       <KmdrTaco> But thats 1.5 I s'pose ;)
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22.31.45 #       <CmdrTaco> Your feature request list on SF is scarier than mine ;)
22.32.31 #       <elinenbe> what is your's?
22.33.42 #       <CmdrTaco> http://sourceforge.net/projects/slashcode/
22.34.27 #       <elinenbe> ah... it is you
22.34.34 #       <elinenbe> that is what I figured.
22.34.41 #       <elinenbe> you went to MSU -- right?
22.34.45 #       <CmdrTaco> nope.
22.34.56 #       <CmdrTaco> Although I currently live 10 minutes from UofM.
22.35.10 #       <dwihno> UFO? :D
22.35.11 #       <elinenbe> ah... that is where I spent the past 10 years.
22.35.15 #       <dwihno> CmdrTaco: Hello computer!
22.35.20 #       <elinenbe> sorry s/10/7
22.35.29 #       <elinenbe> where are you at?
22.35.31 #       * CmdrTaco loves ann arbor.
22.35.35 #       <CmdrTaco> I'm in Dexter actually.
22.35.40 #       <elinenbe> I was a CE major in AA
22.35.42 #       <elinenbe> Dexter!
22.35.48 #       <elinenbe> play much frisbee golf?
22.36.01 #       <elinenbe> aren't you one of the founders of slashdot?
22.36.15 #       <CmdrTaco> I don't go outside, so frisbee golf is right out.
22.36.26 #       <CmdrTaco> I guess Slashdot is my fault, yeah.
22.36.32 #       <elinenbe> not even to A&W?
22.36.36 #       <elinenbe> ;)
22.36.52 #       <elinenbe> so, you made a killing on it a few years back -- right ;)
22.36.53 #       <CmdrTaco> There are at least 5 places to eat in Dexter besides A&W ;)
22.37.00 #       <elinenbe> Dexter Pub
22.37.04 #       <elinenbe> Dairy QAUeen
22.37.07 #       <CmdrTaco> My office is very close to the pub.
22.37.15 #       <CmdrTaco> We eat there about once a week :)
22.37.20 #       <elinenbe> Cousins Heritage Inn
22.37.28 #       <elinenbe> is that your main thing -- slashdot?
22.37.29 #       <CmdrTaco> Cousins is overpriced and not that great.
22.37.32 #       <elinenbe> etc.
22.37.40 #       <CmdrTaco> Yeah, I do Slashdot full time.
22.37.40 #       <elinenbe> the Bakery
22.37.48 #       <CmdrTaco> I've never bought anything at the bakery.
22.37.56 #       <elinenbe> sounds like you got lucky and are having fun.,
22.37.58 #       <elinenbe> that's cool
22.38.14 #       <CmdrTaco> There's also Wings 'n Things, The Alley, Mary T's, Cottage Inn, and Clocktower.
22.38.23 #       <elinenbe> put a story up on slashdot about rockbox.  I am just one of the very minor developers.
22.38.28 #       <CmdrTaco> "Killing" is relative.
22.38.42 #       <CmdrTaco> I'll probably post something about rockbox sooner or later.
22.38.50 #       <elinenbe> more press = better
22.38.57 #       <elinenbe> I am now in NYC
22.38.58 #       <CmdrTaco> I left my USB cable @ the office, so I won't have a chance to test it until tomorrow afternoon.
22.39.05 #       <elinenbe> working for exponent
22.39.12 #       <elinenbe> have you ever tried rockbox?
22.39.27 #       <CmdrTaco> I only discovered it like 60 minutes ago ;)
22.39.41 #       <elinenbe> ug... there WAS a story on your site about it about release 1.0
22.39.46 #       <elinenbe> it was very immature then.
22.39.51 #       <CmdrTaco> I didn't have an archos then :)
22.40.06 #       <laotan> did you just get one?
22.40.15 #       <CmdrTaco> I really want to be able to delete tracks, and shuffle all my MP3s.
22.40.18 #       <elinenbe> well, you will never use the archos firmware again.
22.40.20 #       <CmdrTaco> Thats all I want :)
22.40.29 #       <CmdrTaco> laotan: I got one last week.
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22.40.30 #       <elinenbe> well, give it time and you will get it.
22.40.37 #       <dwihno> Yay! Bagder is back!
22.40.40 #       <CmdrTaco> I wanted a car MP3 player, and it was bang/buck the best.
22.40.42 #       <Bagder> hey ho
22.40.43 #       * laotan just got one too.. was delighted to find rockbox
22.40.50 #       <elinenbe> Badger... CmdrTaco is badmouthing you ;)
22.41.01 #       * CmdrTaco has been called worse by better.
22.41.01 #       <Bagder> ?
22.41.17 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: couldn't you get the empeg player (riocar)
22.41.24 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: that is one nice piece of kit
22.41.32 #       <elinenbe> Badger: I am just kidding.
22.41.33 #       <CmdrTaco> I had a riocar but it didn't work in my car, so I gave it to Jamie.
22.41.37 #       <fragglet> that isnt really CmdrTaco surely
22.41.39 #       <CmdrTaco> Its really sweet.
22.42.00 #       <CmdrTaco> Hugo (from Rio, previously from empeg) gave me one of the original units.
22.42.04 Mode    "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
22.42.05 #       <CmdrTaco> Its really awesome.
22.42.09 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: oooohhh... Jamie. (that explains nothing)
22.42.15 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: Hugo is a nice guy too.
22.42.21 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: quite helpful.
22.42.28 Nick    _seb_ is now known as seb-away (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net)
22.42.34 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: the version II units are much better though.
22.42.34 #       <CmdrTaco> elinenbe: jamie works for me.  Posts on Slashdot.  Writes much of the moderation code.
22.42.51 #       <CmdrTaco> I bet.  The empeg was rough, but it was 1.5 years ahead of everyone else.
22.43.13 #       <CmdrTaco> I wished it fit in my car.
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22.43.21 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: ah... (about jamie) -- it still is 1.5 years ahead of anything else, but that is the problem.
22.43.23 #       <CmdrTaco> but the archos looks good.
22.43.29 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: what car do you have?
22.43.34 #       * CmdrTaco has an audi.
22.43.51 #       <fragglet> heh there was that slashdot article about mp3 players for joggers
22.43.53 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: you've been spoiled by the .com
22.44.02 #       <CmdrTaco> elinenbe: Don't I wish :)
22.44.11 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: where did you go to school?
22.44.15 #       <fragglet> everyone recommended archos without paying attention to the fact that it said "for jogging"
22.44.15 #       <CmdrTaco> Hope College.
22.44.20 Nick    Zagor|away is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
22.44.24 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: oh.
22.44.27 #       <Bagder> hey Z
22.44.31 #       <CmdrTaco> I don't think the archos is a good idea for Jogging.  That seems like suicide.
22.44.34 #       <Zagor> hi B
22.44.35 #       <fragglet> yeah
22.44.41 #       <CmdrTaco> For *walking* ok ;)
22.44.41 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: it really isn't.
22.44.53 #       <fragglet> iirc the documentation explicitely says dont use it for jogging
22.45.00 #       <elinenbe> Bagder & Zagor: CmdrTaco is one of the founders of Slashdot.
22.45.25 #       <Bagder> rockbox is now ranked 53 on sourceforge
22.45.28 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: Bagder (not Badger) and Zagor are two of the founders of the projects...
22.45.29 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: umm, I know. I don't *really* live under a rock, you know :-)
22.45.47 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: Sweden is close though :)
22.45.51 #       * elinenbe hides
22.45.53 #       <Zagor> lol
22.46.14 #       <elinenbe> great work on the projec this past weekend.
22.46.33 #       <Zagor> so what is this? I'm away for, what, 4 hours and no new commits? you lazy bums!
22.47.01 #       <elinenbe> when do you think rolo will get rolled (bad pun) into the CVS?
22.47.11 #       <fragglet> heh rolo
22.47.14 #       <fragglet> do you have rolos in america
22.47.17 #       * CmdrTaco starts wandering through to code looking to add a delete function to delete MP3s from the HD.
22.47.18 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: pretty soon. i'm working on it right now
22.47.24 #       <CmdrTaco> fragglet: Rolos are a hole role of smiles.
22.47.38 #       <Bagder> CmdrTaco: hehe, you better add proper fat code for that first ;-)
22.47.42 #       <fragglet> hmmm
22.47.42 #       <Zagor> CmdrTaco: we can't do that right now. the FAT32 driver has no write support. I'll be adding that this week.
22.47.51 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: there is no Fat32 file write yet.
22.47.52 #       * CmdrTaco curses.
22.48.00 #       <fragglet> i think i just experienced the patented cmdrtaco spelling (tm)
22.48.01 #       <elinenbe> fragglet: yes.
22.48.09 #       <fragglet> ;)
22.48.19 #       <Bagder> Zagor: I'm pretty surely going off my current project this week, meaning more serious rockbox time soon
22.48.22 #       * CmdrTaco has no patent pending on mispelling homonyms.
22.48.29 #       <Zagor> Bagder: ooh, nice!
22.48.38 #       <elinenbe> Bagder: I am going to change the mp3/m3u filter to include .wps
22.48.49 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: no, don't do that
22.48.52 #       <elinenbe> why not?
22.49.05 #       <Bagder> I'm not so sure about that either
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22.49.25 #       <Zagor> because we'll add *.mod and *.ajz support too soon and after that *.txt and who-knows-what
22.49.42 #       <Bagder> yes, and it is called mp3/m3u-filter for a reason ;-)
22.49.51 #       <Zagor> the mp3/m3u filter is for those who just want to use the mp3 player features, and not care about all the other stuff
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22.50.02 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: got it.
22.50.03 Mode    "#rockbox +o Zagor " by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
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22.50.25 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: what about another filter for all defined file types?
22.50.37 #       <fragglet> .txt support?
22.50.46 #       <Bagder> fragglet: it is only a matter of time...
22.50.51 #       <elinenbe> that way when .mod .ajz .wps, etc are added then you can just turn that on for those types.
22.50.54 #       <fragglet> what are you going to do, have the archos read the words in the file?
22.50.59 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: for what purpose? you're not likely to have zillions of unsupported files on your archos, are you?
22.51.18 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: I do use it quite a bit as a portable drive.
22.51.18 #       <fragglet> thats the ultimate compression i suppose
22.51.33 #       <fragglet> just teach your computer to sing/play guitar/etc
22.51.42 #       <Bagder> fragglet: I think a text viewer would be more useful ;-)
22.52.10 #       * CmdrTaco demands a jpg viewer that works w/ the player.
22.52.11 #       <elinenbe> i love the button cache clearing stuff... VERY nice.
22.52.24 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: yeah, but you put that in a special dir. I still don't see a reason for second filter. either you want "just the muzak" or you probably are happy to see everything
22.52.31 #       <fragglet> the archos is designed for listening to music not looking at porn damnit
22.52.38 #       <Zagor> CmdrTaco: i'll be happy to review your patch submission ;-)
22.52.50 #       * CmdrTaco laughs.
22.52.59 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: I think someone was working on viewing bmps encoded in ID3v2 tags on the screen ;)
22.53.04 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: player or recorder?
22.53.15 #       <Bagder> showing bmps is already supported
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22.53.20 #       <Bagder> more or less
22.53.27 #       <elinenbe> CmdrTaco: you do it for the player, and I will buy you lunch ;)
22.53.30 #       <CmdrTaco> No technology is adopted by the mainstream until it can be used for pornography (the internet, the VCR, DVD, etc etc :)
22.53.32 #       <Zagor> the bummer is scaling it down from 8 to 1 bits
22.53.47 #       <Zagor> CmdrTaco: we can play the moans... :)
22.54.10 #       <elinenbe> If you can get it to view bmps encoded in ID3v2 tags that would be phenominal.
22.54.45 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: we need to rework the id3 code first, to handle such large id3v2 tags
22.54.54 #       <Bagder> we have the code to convert bmp to internal "icon format"
22.55.08 #       <Bagder> just some tweaks needed ;-)
22.55.44 #       * Bagder is annoyed by the "no constant backlight when on mains" bug report
22.56.16 #       * Bagder will close it
22.56.49 #       <Zagor> Bagder: rightly so. it's a feature request, not a bug.
22.56.55 #       <Bagder> yes
22.57.11 #       <elinenbe> Badger & Zagor: what about resizing it to the screen?
22.57.13 #       <Bagder> and he did file it as a feature-request as well
22.57.25 #       <fragglet> perhaps you should just leave it how it is and save the environment as well as battery power
22.57.27 #       <Bagder> elinenbe: that'll need some thinking ;-)
22.58.36 #       <elinenbe> Badger & Zagor: it is obvious how badly this firmware is needed with the popularity that it has on sourceforge.
22.58.45 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: scrolling it is a better first attempt, imho
22.58.47 #       <elinenbe> Badger & Zagor: why is Archos so blind?
22.58.57 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: good idea.
22.59.12 #       <Bagder> Archos isn't blind, they're just ignorant
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22.59.22 #       <merwin> anyone up?
22.59.26 #       <merwin> minor problem
22.59.30 #       * Zagor is way up
22.59.34 #       * Bagder is UUUUP
22.59.36 #       * elinenbe is high up.
22.59.45 #       <merwin> The Custom WPS for me only displays the first line
22.59.48 #       <Bagder> give us a tricky one to crak ;-)
22.59.58 #       * Bagder can't spell, but you know that
22.59.59 #       <elinenbe> the new custom WPS is nice.
23.00.07 #       * merwin agrees it is nice, but i need 2 lines :)
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23.00.47 #       <dwihno> The time display on recorder should be removed.
23.00.52 #       <elinenbe> Badger & Zagor: are you guys having problems with the loadable fonts?
23.01.11 #       <Zagor> merwin: upload your wps file somewhere so we can have a look
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23.01.19 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: i don't use it :-)
23.01.19 #       * merwin solved his own problem.
23.01.26 #       <Bagder> elinenbe: I'm only using them on the simulator, and there it seems to work
23.01.38 #       <merwin> Zagor: bug... right now there needs to be a LF after each line... shouldn't require an LF at the last line
23.02.04 #       <Zagor> merwin: ah
23.03.59 #       * merwin uses %s%pp/%pe: %?it<%?ia<[%ia] - %it>|%fn>
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23.04.17 #       <elinenbe> Badger: does not work on the target -- at least not on mine!
23.04.54 #       <Bagder> I guess we should force Zagor to try it on target with gdb then
23.05.18 #       <elinenbe> Badger: yes! yes!
23.07.05 #       <Zagor> i only have gdb on my player, unfortunately. but i'll do some digging.
23.07.18 #       <elinenbe> WOW!  I was just submitting the EXACT same commit that was just committed at the exact same time!
23.10.06 #       <merwin> elinenbe: you mean CUSTOM_WPS_FORMAT change?
23.10.42 #       <elinenbe> yeah.
23.10.54 #       <Bagder> Zagor: we should probably try to decide something in the mutiple language issue soon
23.11.32 #       <merwin> Bagder: some sort of file that has a bunch of STRING=blah blah in it would work
23.11.42 #       <merwin> mylanguage.lng
23.11.50 #       <elinenbe> in /.rockbox
23.12.06 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: that requires dynamic handling, which messes up A LOT
23.12.16 #       <Zagor> compile-time language will come first
23.12.21 #       <Bagder> we should have the strings in a data file and generate whatever format we want
23.12.31 #       <Zagor> yes
23.12.43 #       * merwin needs to head into work for a couple hours, bbiaf
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23.12.50 #       <rwood> i traced through the Archos firmware - they have a table for each message with language as an offset - very memory expensive
23.13.10 #       <elinenbe> rwood: VERY nice rolo patch :)
23.13.14 #       <elinenbe> I LIKE IT!
23.13.20 #       <rwood> elinenbe: thanks
23.15.11 #       <dwihno> I haven't tried it
23.15.14 #       <dwihno> is it cool?
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23.16.52 #       <elinenbe> bug: %pp : Playlist Position when the playing in a directory and the directory is shuffled shows the actual track in the playlist.  It does not show the actual position of the file in the directory.  I think it should.
23.16.53 #       <idefx> Hi, what is the way to get the path of a DIR struct ?
23.17.18 #       <Bagder> idefx: remember it
23.17.25 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: we don't have that info
23.17.43 #       <Bagder> elinenbe: yes, but we have no proper storage of the orginal number
23.18.15 #       <elinenbe> hmmm....
23.18.20 #       <Zagor> idefx: about your search feature, you should create a database while the disk is connected to the PC and then use that database to search in. searching each file is too slow on target.
23.18.20 #       <idefx> Bagder: from one function to another ?
23.18.37 #       <Bagder> idefx: however you want, you can't get the path from the DIR struct
23.18.50 #       <idefx> Zagor: my stuff is nearly ready; i will test it.
23.19.01 #       <idefx> Bagder: no way ?
23.19.26 #       <elinenbe> are you guys considering the multiple line scroll patch?
23.19.47 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: not at this very moment, no :-)
23.20.03 #       <rwood> is there a way to tell if the mp3 decoder is active on the player - playing and not paused?
23.20.30 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: why is that?
23.20.37 #       <idefx> So, Bagder, any way to get the full_path of an entry ?
23.20.43 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: no reason, just busy with other things
23.20.48 #       <idefx> i mean, of a dirent
23.20.56 #       <Bagder> idefx: there is no way, read what I type
23.21.15 #       <elinenbe> I am currently going through it right now.  Would it be a problem if it was committed?
23.21.30 #       <Zagor> rwood: no
23.21.31 #       <Bagder> rwood: hm, I don't think there is...
23.21.46 #       <rwood> thanks
23.22.00 #       <idefx> Bagder: I read what you type, but a DIR and a dirent is not the same thing.
23.22.19 #       <Bagder> idefx: and neither have path info around
23.22.35 #       <Bagder> we don't use memory without good reason
23.22.35 #       <idefx> Bagder: So, that's not cool !
23.22.43 #       <Bagder> yes it is
23.22.45 #       <Zagor> idefx: that's POSIX. live with it.
23.22.57 #       <Bagder> idefx: you just solve your problem differently
23.23.05 #       <idefx> Bagder: Ok
23.24.16 #       <Bagder> you should not keep lots of those structs around anyway
23.24.29 #       <Bagder> so I can't see how knowing which path it is can be very hard
23.25.06 #       <idefx> well, that's not so hard, but, i have to add an argument more.
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23.25.55 #       <Bagder> ipv6-hes! ;-)
23.26.11 #       <Hes2> ooh.
23.26.59 #       <elinenbe> there are currently some serious problems with the multiline scroll patch
23.27.06 #       <Hes2> reverse delegation doesn't seem to be on all servers yet.
23.27.29 #       <Hes2> Or the guys try resolving from ip6.int still.
23.28.28 #       <Zagor> Hes2: did linus' ATA patch improve your skipping anything?
23.28.34 #       <dwihno> What's the prob with multiline scroll?
23.28.53 #       <Hes2> I didn't get around to test it yet. I've had massive problems with usb-storage crashing my systems.
23.29.04 #       <Hes2> Which kind of pissed me off this afternoon.
23.29.10 #       <Zagor> dwihno: "too few hours per day error in lcd.c:438"
23.29.37 #       <dwihno> Zagor: hehe :)
23.29.42 #       <elinenbe> dwihno: try it out and look a the directory browser.
23.30.04 #       <dwihno> elinenbe: I have no patching utility for my wintendo :(L
23.30.24 #       <elinenbe> try cygwin.  that is what I use.
23.30.46 #       <Bagder> vote vote vote 
23.31.26 #       <elinenbe> Bagder: add that to the news on the web page.
23.31.31 #       <Bagder> good idea
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23.31.55 #       <Zagor> you don't see ipv6 much in irc
23.32.02 #       <Zagor> I don't, anyway :-)
23.32.19 #       <Hes> Not much yet...
23.32.52 #       <Hes> did my first ipv6 login on ircnet about two years ago or so
23.33.19 #       <Bagder> grep "^ *[123]:" mail/vote | tr -d '#[]' | cut "-d " -f2 | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn
23.33.41 #       <Bagder> nice one-liners are fun ;-)
23.35.26 #       <Bagder> 14 people have voted so far on 23 designs
23.35.52 #       <dwihno> Neato
23.36.05 #       <dwihno> Bagder: your 13 votes can't count, you can only vote once ;)
23.36.14 #       <Bagder> oh darn
23.37.38 #       <dwihno> top3 designs?
23.38.04 #       <elinenbe> I think "ON" in the menus should return to the tree view.
23.38.07 #       <Bagder> so far: 6, 13 and 7
23.38.15 #       <Bagder> (not in that order)
23.39.16 #       <Hes> I'm stunned.
23.41.04 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: nah. too much hassle.
23.49.27 #       <elinenbe> does anyone have a really nice wps file for the recorder?
23.52.57 #       <idefx> well, Zagor, you were true, that's damn slow !! 
23.53.05 #       <Zagor> hehe
23.56.28 #       <idefx> maybe i could improve it, but, may still be too slow. Youre idea was good,i now have to make: -an efficient format to store title, album artist and filename, a tool to read it efficiently on the archos, something to make it on a Linux computer, [and find someone to make a windows version]. Bad, very bad...
23.57.01 #       <Zagor> idefx: you should write the indexer in something portable, like perl or java
23.58.03 #       <idefx> Zagor: Yes, i'll make it in perl or python (or ada, but, no-one will love me after that ...)
23.58.10 #       <Zagor> hehe
23.58.20 #       <Bagder> you could talk to matsl, as he started thinking/working on something like that
23.58.26 #       * Zagor prefers perl overy python, personally
23.58.30 #       <Zagor> Bagder: right
23.58.43 #       * mecraw prefers java