--- Log for 03.09.102 Server: brunner.openprojects.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 3 days and 13 hours ago 00.00.11 # he started working on build a "database" using some java code 00.00.29 # I don't know if it got anywhere or anything 00.02.31 # Bagder: Well, i don't code in java, and i don't know much about database, but if i can help ?? 00.02.51 # that's why I think talking to him could be a good idea 00.03.04 # coordination of efforts 00.03.17 Join merwin [0] (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 00.03.41 # elinenbe: what happens in directory browsing with multiline scroll? 00.03.46 # well, matsl, if you hear me ... 00.03.59 # idefx: he's not here right now 00.04.07 Join g003y [0] (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) 00.04.14 # hey g003y 00.04.15 # heya 00.04.16 Quit merwin (Client Quit) 00.04.21 # long time no see :D 00.04.42 # yes, lots of things have happened since ;-) 00.04.51 # how was your trip Bagder? 00.05.02 # it was fabulous 00.05.06 # cool 00.05.12 # http://daniel.haxx.se/travel/tanzania/ 00.05.15 # Bagder : ok, so i gona sleep now ;) thanks for helping 00.05.22 # night idefx 00.05.36 Quit idefx ("BitchX: causing all sorts of havok!") 00.05.38 # I finally get a vacation myself. Taking a couple weeks to go to Singapore & India. Not until december though :/ 00.05.50 # india is nice 00.05.56 # yeah... 00.06.00 # I liked it last time I was there 00.06.44 # wow... those are great pics. that place looks nice 00.07.02 Join merwin [0] (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 00.07.37 # Bagder: did you use a tool to create your picture gallery? or just hand-code html? 00.07.51 # hand made, with adiamas help 00.07.52 # * mecraw is looking to put some pics online too 00.08.00 # oh 00.08.02 # those pics 00.08.08 # * Hes has a load at http://hes.iki.fi/photo/ 00.08.16 # hand made those too, but I have a bunch of helpful scripts 00.08.45 # for the travel ones, I usually take a good time to zoom and edit the pics as well 00.09.00 # I like the camera info I extract with my view script: http://rockbox.haxx.se/devcon/show.cgi?img4083.jpg 00.09.01 # that's what takes the most time 00.10.37 # Zagor: are all those your personal mp3 players? 00.11.23 # could be 00.11.28 # the two on that pic are, but not all on the other photos 00.12.15 # nice mickey mouse pints :D 00.12.29 # hahaha 00.12.34 # those are Linus' ;-) 00.12.45 # the pics are from his place 00.12.46 # Linus the guy with glasses? 00.12.52 # yes 00.12.59 # now I have a face to the text :D 00.13.04 # mecraw: multiline scroll ruins browsing the directory 00.13.36 # Zagor: you're the one in black? 00.13.39 # yup 00.13.41 # MIB 00.13.55 # Zagor: you look very military :) 00.14.03 # lol 00.14.08 # * Zagor is The Code Police ;) 00.14.13 # he's scary 00.14.16 # belive me 00.14.20 # heh 00.14.20 # I should know ;-) 00.14.29 # * Bagder hides 00.15.55 Nick dwihno is now known as dwihno|gone (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 00.16.28 # elinenbe: it works ok for me, although i just post crap so the real coders can fix it up :) 00.16.53 # mecraw: try to make it so it scrolls one line at a time. 00.17.06 # like ti scrolls, line 1, then line 2, then line 3, then line 1 again. 00.17.46 # elinenbe: won't it take an awful long time for line 3 to start scrolling then? 00.18.07 # Bagder: you were right... once I un-defined the custom wps code, someone came along and made it 200% better :-) 00.18.34 # hehe, well that's the benefit of open source development! ;-) 00.18.46 # and having things enabled in the daily build 00.18.57 # yeah you can even disappear into a hole, come back, and things completely change :D 00.19.04 # can't wait to get the rolo there 00.19.06 # Enable the font loading and see if someone fixes it ;) 00.19.13 # Just my 0.2e ;) 00.19.25 # with things like ROLO and the .wps loading, should we maybe have a little more configurable of a browser file filter? 00.19.25 # * dwihno|gone went to bed - time to rise & shine in 5 hours 00.19.44 # PsycoXul: for the filter, just filter out the file types that we don't care about 00.19.48 # PsycoXul: yes, we'll end up needing something better 00.20.14 # an easy-to-find quick toggle should be enough, IMHO 00.21.07 # * merwin is going through a hell worse than tax season... 00.21.13 # * merwin is balancing his corporate card 00.21.24 # hehe 00.21.43 # If I miss even one thing, it could cost me around $1000 :-) 00.22.43 Join Dexter__ [0] (~Dexter@Mix-Pointe-a-Pitre-105-2-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.22.54 # hey dex 00.23.03 # so are file writes _safe_ these days? For example could I create a playlist on disk with the file api now? Sorry if this has been answered... just trying to get my head around whats happening in the code these days. 00.23.06 # hello 00.23.07 Join miah [0] (24800-iden@pihkal.com) 00.23.11 # hey kids 00.23.17 # http://analog.xiph.org/hardware/ 00.23.25 # g003y: i don't think we have file writes yet 00.24.12 # woo .wps loading's nice 00.24.21 # miah: interesting 00.24.35 # yep 00.24.56 # now i can load a different WPS for soundtracks/various artits that display's better for the ones with id3 00.25.02 # miah: so that means that they'd be willing to help us possibly :) 00.25.08 # maybe =) 00.25.08 # err ones withOUT id3 even 00.25.11 # PsycoXul: do we have variable wps loading now? 00.25.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.25.30 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 00.25.36 # Hes? 00.25.39 # hey LinusN 00.25.43 # yo 00.25.53 # LinusN: interesting link just posted: http://analog.xiph.org/hardware/ 00.25.58 # merwin: yeah you press play on a .wps file and it loads and uses it 00.26.18 # PsycoXul: nice 00.26.33 # merwin: yeah i have read that report 00.27.20 # merwin: sorry, that was not the link i thought it was 00.27.22 # so when's adi supposed to have the player icons done? :P 00.29.49 # merwin: i thought you meant this one: http://oggonachip.sourceforge.net/ 00.30.11 # has anyone tested the new ATA fix? 00.30.24 # who can send libintl2 packtage to me for cygwin please ?? 00.30.41 # LinusN: that's an interesting one too 00.31.49 Join lohap [0] (~lohap@213-48-172-194.bra.cvx.blueyonder.co.uk) 00.31.53 # libintl2 packtage ??? 00.32.09 # Dexter: just use the cygwin installer and select the package yourself. 00.32.21 # ok 00.32.28 # hi all 00.32.45 # hey lo 00.33.14 # just got red hat installed over mandrake and red hat is alot better 00.33.27 # LinusN: about the buttons... no, the archos firmware does not display that behavior 00.33.48 # lohap: you should try debian :-) 00.34.15 # but i still have the problem that it dosnt see my archos if i plug it in whilst my machine is on but it finds it if the machine is turned on when linux is booted 00.34.19 # elinenbe: that's not very nice to hear 00.34.26 # i will when i get my hands on it 00.34.49 # slackware is best 00.34.57 # i don't want to handle those combinations... 00.35.03 # BSD 0wnz @ll linux ! :D 00.35.06 # but if we must, we must 00.35.17 # lohap: power up the archos, then plug in the usb cable 00.35.22 # OS-fight! 00.35.22 # anyway, i just wanted to find out if the ATA fix helped 00.35.32 # linux vs linux 00.35.37 # lithermon: redhat rocks 00.35.37 # vs bsd 00.35.38 # but i guess nobody knows... 00.35.41 # lets just say linux onzs 00.35.48 # and the Death Star can totally 0wn the Borg cube. There now all geek arguments are settled :D 00.35.55 # i'll go to bed now 00.35.58 # bye 00.35.59 # hah 00.36.00 # night LinusN 00.36.01 # hehe 00.36.02 # see ya 00.36.03 # cya 00.36.03 # nite linus 00.36.10 Part LinusN 00.36.17 # i got wine working and im ircing using mirc how cool is that 00.36.27 # hmmm 00.36.35 # mirc? uuuuh 00.36.40 # lohap: around 0.5 on a 1-10 scale :-) 00.36.45 # hehe 00.36.47 # lol 00.36.49 # sweet 00.36.52 # i'm listening to 2 mp3's at once 00.37.09 # yea just need to get real player 8 working in linux then im sorted using wine that is 00.37.12 # PsycoXul: on what? 00.37.21 # i set the dac_config's argument in mpeg.c to 0x0c to turn on aux1 and then plugged my mom's mp3-cd player into the line-in 00.37.30 # hehe 00.37.32 # hehehe 00.37.32 # hahahaaha 00.37.35 # Bagder: what about mirc? it's got a bad rap, that's all 00.37.44 # it mixes pretty well 00.37.46 # merwin: not only that 00.37.54 # nix -> wine -> mirc is silly though 00.37.55 # mirc is alot nicer than xchat 00.38.06 # lohap: damn straight 00.38.19 # bitchx rules 00.38.19 # g003y: agreed 00.38.28 # mirc is closed source and written by an ignorant person, and not even very good 00.38.30 # lithermon: if they had a bitchx with a good gui, i'd do it 00.38.39 # nix > wine >real player 8 alot more useful 00.38.45 # Bagder: but how do you really feel about Mirc? :D 00.38.48 # Bagder: there's scripts for it that make it better though 00.38.53 # i like irssi 00.39.42 # anyone that puts their picture in the about box of application they wrote looses my vote :D 00.40.08 # and which app started the irc colour crap? 00.40.08 # I just use mIRC mostly because it easily supports SOCKS5, which i need to do IRC from work 00.40.08 # hah 00.40.13 # and VNC for that matter 00.40.15 # yea lol brb 00.40.21 # Bagder: i belive ircii years ago 00.40.25 # miah: nope 00.40.26 Quit lohap () 00.40.27 # mirc did 00.40.32 # eh 00.40.33 # years ago, yes 00.40.45 # ircii supported some colors, and bolds and such 00.40.56 # bold, italic, underline, yes 00.40.58 # not colours 00.41.45 # at least mIRC has been kept relatively free... that's a good thing 00.42.12 # yea 00.42.15 # its not completely bad 00.42.28 # not that i've used it int he last 4 years 00.42.54 # are there any bitchx gui's anywhere? 00.43.10 # no idea, i use epic or irssi 00.43.49 # bitchx sucks, it's bloated buggy and slow 00.43.56 # though not as bad as mirc of course :p 00.44.00 # hahahah 00.44.45 # slackware, bitchx - i just choose the one with the coolest name 00.44.48 Join lohap [0] (~lohap@213-48-172-194.bra.cvx.blueyonder.co.uk) 00.44.57 # heh 00.45.07 # i used to use epic with a script by a guy i know 00.45.09 # hi i was just wondering anyone run real player 8 in wine 00.45.10 # then i discovered irssi 00.45.30 # scrollz is a pretty cool irc client 00.47.14 # Psyco: how is the heat in SoCal? 00.47.29 # it's miserable hot! 00.47.50 # It's cold and cloudy in Seattle :) 00.48.41 # merwin: so what's new about that 00.48.54 # rwood: actually, it's been pretty nice up until yesterday 00.49.23 # * merwin got new exhaust on saturday... I was told that it was going to be "a little bit more of a growl". The damn thing sounds like a motorcycle now 00.49.24 # heh 00.49.28 # merwin: i have friends up there - they say they have moss growing on thir north side 00.49.36 # hahahahahahahaha 00.49.39 # moss 00.50.08 # I haven't even gone outside today it is so damn hot in the bay area 00.50.38 # g003y: mark twain wouldn't believe it 00.50.42 # I spent a good portion of March/April/May in cali... damn it gets hot 00.50.51 # why would you want to run realplayer 8 in wine 00.51.04 # why would you want to run realplayer at all is the question 00.51.17 # rwood: I know, but he is dead so he ain't got nothing to say about the subject anymore :D 00.51.23 # merwin: true 00.51.30 # but there's a linux version of rp8 anyways 00.51.53 # apparently even an alpha version of RealOne available 00.52.29 # * merwin despises realplayer... I hate any company that makes you pay for their software and still bombards you with ads 00.52.49 # only suckers pay for real player 00.52.50 # heh 00.52.54 # merwin: and invades your privacy when they get a chance 00.53.02 # rwood: yes, that too 00.53.07 # life is a lot more simple with only open source software 00.53.10 # personaly i just avoid realmedia 00.53.13 # it sucks anyways 00.53.24 # At least Windows Media Player has the decency to be FREE :-) 00.53.36 # free? 00.53.41 # PsycoXul: has a tendency to crash my system 00.53.48 # i like shockwave/flash 00.53.51 # well considering, they make up for it from the sale of the os, its not free 00.53.51 # thats cool stuff 00.53.57 # flash is ok 00.54.04 # but it's being grossly misused these days 00.54.07 # datazone: have you ever paid for a version of windows you've installed? 00.54.09 # what media player do u use in linux 00.54.17 # lohap: usualy mplayer 00.54.23 # xine 00.54.27 # barr 00.54.33 # texted based 00.54.35 # i use xine if mplayer does something funky 00.54.49 # lohap: mplayer and xine both have GUI's 00.54.56 # though mplayer's isn't enabled by default 00.55.09 # merwin: there was an article that M$ has a clause in one of the security updates to media player that grands them the right to scan your computer and enforce copyrights 00.55.21 # yea u need to enable it when u make it 00.55.35 # yeah, and you need to download a skin for it since it doesn't come with any and won't work without one 00.55.38 # rwood: i think that clause is for XP too 00.55.39 # grants 00.55.57 # merwin: the question at hand isnt about the ownership of the os, but that the software is made to run on a specific os that the medai player is made to run on, and that os is a commercially sold os, therefore you can make the assumption that the media player cost can be absorbed into the cost of the os and no one can prove otherwise 00.56.08 # Zagor: exactly - RIAA and M$ want to control the world 00.56.34 # rwood: don't forget the MPAA 00.56.50 # ah, bingo! my asm-free ROLO version finally works! 00.57.18 # why are the silliest mistakes the hardest to find? ;-) 00.58.04 # Zagor: i don't know - if i rtfm, i would have found the problem with 1.27d in minutes 00.58.18 # bed time, mail in your votes, see ya tomorrow 00.58.21 Part Bagder 00.58.43 # rwood: what was it, anyway? 00.59.44 # Zagor: rockbox sets IRQ0 to level triggered - 1.27d expects it to be set to edge - boot loader must have initialized ICR 00.59.52 # ah 01.00.03 # is the i2c_init really necessary? 01.00.19 # Zagor: probably not 01.00.25 # zagor: Are you sending a patch of the Rolo you just did? 01.00.35 # or is that going in cvs now? 01.00.41 # g003y: i'll be committing it soon 01.00.46 # schweet :D 01.01.00 # it's rwood's rolo, just a little modified 01.01.14 # cool 01.01.25 Join merwin- [0] (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 01.01.36 # hmm... i think M$ didn't like my last comment, booted me off of mirc 01.01.39 # damn socks 01.01.43 # Zagor: i'm an old fart - assembly and fortran are my native languages 01.01.45 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-34-50-177.mia.bellsouth.net) 01.02.08 # rwood: hehe, no problem 01.02.20 # we like old farts around here :-) 01.02.32 # I'm a young squirt 01.04.27 Join nlithermo [0] (j@modem-1012.sponger.dialup.pol.co.uk) 01.04.29 # i'm amazed at the way this project went together - some sort of global understanding of the task - i'm used to requirement spec then design spec, .... 01.04.32 # old farts rocl 01.04.35 # rock that is :D 01.05.04 # rockbox has been one of the finer examples of the strengths of Open Source. 01.05.04 # rwood: you never worked in an open source project before? 01.05.12 # dude, mirc is nasty 01.05.22 # mirc_sucks++ 01.05.46 # any other suggestion for win 01.05.50 # xchat 01.05.56 # what if dif between .src.rpm and i i383.rpm 01.05.56 # trillian works for me 01.06.09 # lohap: one has source 01.06.16 # lohap: src.rpm is the source code, i386.rpm is the compiled binaries 01.06.19 # other is binary plus other stuff to be installed 01.06.25 # so what i s the best to download 01.06.33 # depends on what you want to do 01.06.39 # do you just want to install it 01.06.39 # i386 if you just want to run the program 01.06.44 # just run it lol 01.06.46 # or want to rebuild it for your machine 01.06.49 Part Dexter__ 01.06.50 # k sorted 01.06.51 # xchat kicks ass 01.07.04 # i need to download mplayer lol 01.07.05 # guh 01.07.51 # yea 01.07.53 # rockbox kicks ass 01.08.10 # rockbox 0wnz arch0z :D 01.08.16 # haha 01.09.22 Quit Jet8810 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.09.30 # Zagor: So why can't we consolidate player-old and player into one? It seems that Archos found a way to do it 01.10.02 # Zagor: missed you question - no this is my first, and my first chat room 01.10.54 # merwin-: we can, we just haven't done it. 01.11.05 # Zagor: Is it difficult? 01.11.42 # the tricky part is finding out if you are running on a new or old unit. archos does it by probing the version number in the ROM firmware binary... feels a bit icky to me. 01.12.12 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-34-50-177.mia.bellsouth.net) 01.12.29 # Zagor: seems fine to me to do it that way though... the version number in the ROM firmware is a definate indication of whether or not to use the old or new 01.12.34 Join marvincbr [0] (marvincbr@12-250-191-213.client.attbi.com) 01.12.52 # i'm not sure what the point would be 01.13.01 # marvincbr: so the cbr, is that Constant Bitrate, or Honda CBR? 01.13.07 Quit marvincbr (Client Quit) 01.13.21 # PsycoXul: easier end user implementation. Some people aren't that smart :-) 01.13.27 # hmm, guess marvin's neither 01.13.29 Quit merwin (Connection timed out) 01.13.34 Nick merwin- is now known as merwin (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 01.13.58 # rwood: because of ROLO, I will never ever have to boot into the Archos firmware again. To debug I now, compile, copy, load, repeat. never a reboot 01.14.04 # yeah but have we had many problems with people getting the wrong version? 01.14.20 # PsycoXul: i've seen a few myself :) 01.14.40 # i dont see what the problem is, let them learn to read 01.14.44 # it's not one of my higher priority tasks :-) 01.14.56 # plus the jukebox is pretty resistant to being messed up 01.15.19 # its not like if you use the wrong mod it will destroy your unit 01.15.24 # Zagor: speaking of the ROM firmware - once file writes are working, do we dare trying to suck out 1.28 for the recorder? 01.15.49 # rwood: huh? 01.16.07 # we can try, but I don't see it as part of the rockbox project really 01.16.17 Quit lithermon (Killed (NickServ (Nickname Enforcement))) 01.16.24 # merwin: the latest version that is shipping is 1.28, the latest on the Archos site is 1.27d 01.16.32 # rwood: it sounds fun. but really what is the point? 01.16.41 # rwood: by then who will ever use it? 01.16.52 # datazone: it won't destroy the unit of course, but user friendliness comes into play. It's not a very high priority, but still seems semi-useful 01.16.55 Nick nlithermo is now known as lithermon (j@modem-1012.sponger.dialup.pol.co.uk) 01.17.26 # elinenbe: good question - being able to load the origional to record is the only current reason 01.17.50 # rwood: by then rockbox will be able to record. 01.18.22 # elinenbe: and Archos will post a link on their site 01.19.15 # should 01.19.46 # rwood: don't count on it 01.20.00 # rwood: usually, companies don't take kindly to people rewriting what they're selling, even if it's better :) 01.20.10 # rwood: makes them seem inferior or something 01.20.17 # rockbox makes the older hardware useful again and they want to sell you new stuff 01.21.03 # merwin: agreeded, but rockbox would sell more units - g003y and that too 01.21.29 # rwood: they really should ship with rockbox installed :) 01.23.21 # oooh... the player progress bar is cute :D 01.24.01 # nice usages of screen space there. good job whoever did it 01.24.06 # g003y: thanks :) 01.24.20 # g003y: I made it, and PsycoXul fixed it 01.24.29 # I think it was PsycoXul at least 01.24.37 # yeah 01.24.43 # coolness 01.25.02 # and zagor did some stuff to it too i think, mostly cleaning up and var renaming though 01.25.20 Quit lohap () 01.26.28 # and i think somebody else is working on making it configurable 01.26.51 # psyco: configurable how? You can already turn it on & off with the custom wps 01.27.17 # well i guess they're making it so you can make your own series of images to progressed through 01.27.29 # oh ok 01.27.42 # all stored in a file to load 01.27.44 # heh 01.28.18 # images don't matter for us non-bitmapped screen types :D 01.28.27 # well 5x7 images :p 01.28.32 # hehehehehehe 01.29.03 # it Is for the player 01.29.09 # gotcha 01.29.37 # is anyone working on custom wps to have more flexibility with file display? 01.30.01 # like what? 01.30.04 # g003y: MORE flexible than it already is? 01.30.07 # like.... 01.30.11 # we have %d1 01.30.15 # to grab the first dir 01.30.29 # for files we might be able to have a %f2 to grab the first two bytes 01.30.35 # heh 01.30.39 # hehe 01.30.49 # just a though 01.30.50 # t 01.30.55 # g003y: how would you know how many bytes to grab? 01.30.57 # what if you want bytes 5 to end 01.31.09 # zagor: true. just a thought 01.31.14 # heh 01.31.38 # I was only asking not suggesting a solution :D 01.31.39 # gotta jet 01.31.41 Quit merwin () 01.36.42 Quit Grotron ("Our day-in, day-out world is real. Reality: That world is a hoax, an elaborate deception spun by all-powerful machines of AI ) 01.38.13 # I can't believe my cpus are still running under 50C in this weather. 01.38.48 # my athlon's up to 58 01.39.16 # nuts! I can load 1.3 but not myself... 01.39.35 # * Zagor is chasing little critters with 12 legs 01.39.52 # Zagor: welcome to the club 01.40.05 # hehe :-) 01.40.07 Quit notmewsetwo ("No windows for this server") 01.40.17 # zagor: aren't you a little big to fit into 2meg? :) 01.41.08 # ;) 01.42.29 # hmm 01.42.41 # do you guys find archos sound quality to be worse then other mp3 players? 01.42.48 # no 01.42.54 # Zagor: are you putting the move routine in internal RAM? 01.43.16 # I don't have any other portable mp3 player to compare. 01.43.37 # but I'm happy with it compare to say winamp on my home machine :D 01.43.40 # rwood: almost. i'm moving the loader to top of ram and from there loading without moving 01.44.15 # i.e the linker puts the loader at top of ram, so we don't have to do it "manually" 01.45.02 # Zagor: what about the calls down to the file routines? 01.45.51 # i'm loading the new firmware into the mp3 buffer, just like you did. then, after all checks and controls are ready, I'm memcpy()ing it to start of ram and starts it 01.46.19 # and it works nicely with the 1.3 release... 01.46.36 # Zagor: ok 01.47.06 # Zagor: have you tried 1.27d or anyother Archos version yet? 01.47.16 # no, not yet 01.49.30 # latest bleeding edge cvs build works too, so it's something about my local build that differs 01.49.38 # i'll try an archos firmware 01.52.15 # Zagor: one of the artistic types need to make us a good icon for mod/ajz 01.52.16 Quit mecraw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.52.41 # rwood: yes. i've asked two people. we'll see what emerges. 01.53.20 # Zagor: i almost took out the .rbx feature - the time savings is minimal 01.54.08 # yeah. i'm not including it in my commit. it's too much hassle making special mods for this. 01.55.04 # Zagor: good 01.58.00 # Zagor: I am quite excited for this commit ;) 01.58.17 # still having some problems :-( 01.59.04 # Zagor: it's getting very late your time - any way you can pass me what you have and let me look at it while you get some sleep? 01.59.15 # rwood: sure thing 01.59.41 # rwood: I am quite exicted for your commit ;) hehe 02.00.07 # Zagor: i can't dcc (firewall) got an ftp site or something? 02.00.33 # yup. can you use a patch? 02.01.23 # Zagor: i haven't tried that yet - the whole files would be easiest 02.01.30 # ok 02.01.55 # the sun never sets on ROCKBOX 02.02.07 # ha ha 02.02.24 Join mecraw [0] (~lmarlow@67.41.113.92) 02.05.00 # rwood: http://rockbox.haxx.se/rolo_zagor.zip 02.05.58 # if you find anything, mail me at bjorn@haxx.se 02.06.34 # Zagor: got it - i 02.06.42 # i'll start on it 02.07.10 # good. i'll catch some sleep. see you tomorrow! 02.07.35 Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") 02.07.51 Quit rwood () 02.14.12 # cya all. 02.14.14 Part g003y 02.20.02 Join h0bby [0] (Hobby@h24-83-178-201.vf.shawcable.net) 02.20.39 Quit Jet8810 (Connection timed out) 02.25.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.43.35 Quit lithermon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.25.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.48.11 # howdy all... 05.06.27 Quit edx|sleep (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.23.22 Join merwin [0] (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 05.27.02 # adi|home: you round? 05.33.43 # yeah.. whats up? 05.37.09 # hey there. 05.41.14 # adi|home: how are the player icons coming? 05.49.17 Nick seb-away is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 05.50.27 # RockBox is almost in the top 50 on sourceforge.net 05.50.29 # ;) 06.06.39 # wow 06.06.42 # heh 06.06.43 # brb 06.06.45 Quit merwin () 06.16.57 Join edx|sleep [0] (~edx@pD9EABA06.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.23.50 # hello 06.24.18 # anybody? 06.24.20 Join merwin [0] (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 06.24.22 Nick elinenbe is now known as elinenbe|sleeps (trilluser@user-0cceh8k.cable.mindspring.com) 06.24.27 # are there any xbm editors for windowz? 06.24.30 # err, windows 06.25.05 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-sleep (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 06.25.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.26.02 # is there anywhere i can get a compiled version of Rolo? 06.26.11 # h0bby: the nearest candy shop? 06.26.22 # to expensive 06.26.34 # i prefer free downloads 06.27.13 # guess not then 06.27.22 # heh 06.27.32 # but i realy realy realy want it 06.27.36 # really 06.28.09 # you sure? 06.28.22 # yes, yes yes yes 06.28.51 # i will brush my teeth, i promise 06.28.52 # hmm.. i'd wait till it's in the cvs 06.29.08 # im leaving for australia in three days 06.29.56 # why do you need rolo? 06.30.26 # so i can load archos for recording and playlist purposes 06.30.41 Part edx|sleep 06.30.46 # ahh 06.31.03 # unfortunately, i don't use rolo, or i'd send it to you 06.31.12 # ohh well, 06.33.49 # well maybe it will apears on cvs in the next three days. 06.38.25 # h0bby: i wouldn't put it past these guys :) 06.42.55 Join Bill_k [0] (~blantz@208-58-166-27.hybrid.hlb-ubr.nj.cable.rcn.com) 06.45.17 # adi|home: 0x00 is white in xbm, right? 06.45.43 # Anyone have luck in compiling firmware under windows? 06.45.53 # Bill_k: yup, cygwin for me 06.46.22 # Can we go on the side so i ban ask you some questions? 06.46.29 # sure 06.52.04 Quit Bill_k (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.55.09 Join Bill_k [0] (~blantz@208-58-166-27.hybrid.hlb-ubr.nj.cable.rcn.com) 07.00.53 Nick merwin is now known as merwin|away (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 07.01.40 Part Bill_k 07.20.21 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 07.20.35 # howdy 07.30.01 Join rwood [0] (~rdwrockbo@ca-santaanahub-cuda3-c9b-117.anhmca.adelphia.net) 07.32.04 # LinusN: I had my head in a dark place when I said rockbox is running too fast for the recorder. 07.32.22 # oh 07.32.56 # LinusN: a long string of SCL_HI,SCL_LO generates a 1.3 us square wave - right on spec for 400KHz 07.32.59 Join MeRWiN- [0] (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 07.33.59 # LinusN: I have a digital scope on the I2C and can see that Archos is never driving the SCL line - they set it to input and let the resistor pull it up 07.34.26 # yes they do, on the Recorder 07.34.55 # it is different on the player, at least the early models 07.36.20 # LinusN: the picture that I get on the recorder is a slow rise on archos around 1us versus ns on rockbox 07.36.25 # LinusN: I made a set of Tree Icons for the player, implemented 07.36.33 Nick MeRWiN- is now known as merwin (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 07.37.04 # LinusN: it takes up an extra char on the player's screen, but makes file format available at a glance 07.37.22 # Arrow then Icon then Filename 07.37.47 # rwood: yes, we drive it, they let the pullup do the job 07.38.16 Quit merwin|away (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.38.27 # and by the way, the difference on the players is not about driving the signals, my mistake 07.38.47 # LinusN: commitable? 07.38.58 # it's about how to read the data line 07.39.20 # merwin: that's great 07.39.36 # can i see the patch? 07.39.51 # LinusN: how do i create the patch against a file? 07.40.10 # cvs diff -u 07.41.00 # * LinusN fills his coffee cup 07.41.05 # it is the DAC on the player that is limited to 100KHz on the player - i think i said ADC last night 07.41.39 # 100KHz when S clk is not running that is 07.42.06 # LinusN: there you go, it's in your e-mail box 07.45.08 # rwood: yeah i saw that in the data sheet 07.45.36 # my I2C analyzer has address filtering, so if there is anything on the recorder that you would like to see, I can filter out the RTC stuff 07.46.02 # Archos version that is - analyzer is 100KHz only 07.46.51 # rwood: it would be great to see the traffic to the codec at boot, and when changing bass/treble settings 07.47.38 # LinusN: can do 07.48.47 # too bad it's the player i am really interested in 07.49.08 # LinusN: looking at the specs, I'm not certain if a slave can hold SCL low on any clock or only before an ACK 07.49.56 # as far as i know, it is only before an ack 07.50.16 # LinusN: if any clock, then switching to input and checking for high is probably the best method although is would make the high times about 4.5us 07.51.23 # rwood: why would that be best? 07.51.56 # LinusN: Should we include .WPS in the MP3/M3U file filter? It would be nice :) 07.52.12 # merwin: not sure 07.52.15 # LinusN: if a slave is holding SCL low, a clock pulse output could be missed 07.53.12 # yes, but if a slave is holding the SCL low, it would be completely out of sync anyway. i am almost certain that the SCL holding only applies to the ACK 07.54.08 # i see long periods of clock low on archos, but it could be the firmware isn't driving full speed 07.55.05 # most definitely 07.56.03 # i'll take my player apart this week - if I can get the I2C signals as easily as I did on the recorder, I'll insturment the player 07.57.07 # merwin: looks great! 07.57.39 # rwood: great, i only had an oscilloscope, so i couldn't see much of the traffic 07.57.47 # when i did that on my player 07.58.04 # merwin: i'm not sure i like the WPS icon 08.05.42 # rwood: it is very easy to get the i2c signals on the player 08.06.54 # LinusN: on the recorder, there were 2 feed-thrus that made it easy - i want to be able to bring the wires out through the end bumper so i can use the unit 08.07.41 # LinusN: my recorder looks like a frog that has been disceted - strapped down to some peg board - i think i voided the warrantee 08.08.22 # LinusN: do you want me to email the logs to you? if so what address 08.08.23 # rwood: i know the feeling, my player seriously needed a haircut some days 08.08.25 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) 08.08.48 # i monitored all the signals for the MP3 communication, and the i2c 08.08.56 # rwood: linus at haxx.se 08.09.22 # I get work with my newly updated rockbox only to find out that it crashes hard every time I load my playlist 08.09.33 # Bagder: badness 08.09.39 # yeah 08.09.54 # have you tried to raise the spindown time? 08.09.54 # LinusN: do you have access to a win machine? 08.10.01 # rwood: yes 08.10.06 # hm, I'll try 08.10.08 # NT 08.10.17 # LinusN: it's hard to find an icon for WPS that's 5x7 :) 08.10.28 # merwin: i know, i know... :-) 08.10.42 # LinusN: i figured letters were the only way to go for that 08.10.46 # i just think the W looks a little too much like a character 08.10.46 # LinusN: should i commit? 08.10.50 # LinusN: true 08.10.58 # LinusN: any ideas on a different char? 08.11.11 # LinusN: that did it... changed it to 6 from 5 made it work... 08.11.23 # lemme think, how would we draw an icon resembling a settings file... 08.11.39 # feels weird to require 6 seconds 08.11.45 # Bagder: we have to implement a better spindown function 08.11.48 # LinusN: with the added constraint of 5x7 :) 08.11.51 # yes 08.11.53 # a checkbox 08.12.06 # make an icon that looks like a checkbox 08.12.07 # Synthe: good idea 08.12.15 # Synthe: i'll see how that looks, just a sec 08.12.25 # i had the samne thought 08.12.32 # strange :-) 08.13.11 # LinusN: again, a very difficult one in 5x7 08.13.24 # or just a check, no box 08.13.29 # * Synthe shrugs 08.13.35 # OK, i think i got a check 08.13.44 # i'll draw it out on the player and see what it looks like 08.14.24 # 20 people votes so far 08.14.26 # voted 08.16.24 # i've still gotta vote 08.17.04 # Bagder: i and zagor touched the ata spindown subject briefly yesterday 08.17.36 # it really needs attention 08.18.00 # Bagder: did it really hang, or did the disk just spin up and down like crazy? 08.18.08 # it rebooted 08.18.12 # wow 08.18.37 # instead of the wps I got it reboote in the rom firmware 08.18.38 # maybe we have a "return" statement somewhere in a bad place? 08.18.54 # yes, that might be it 08.18.57 # on read errors 08.19.14 # LinusN: The 4th icon (wps) should be changed to: 0x01, 0x01, 0x02, 0x02, 0x14, 0x0c, 0x04, 0x00, 08.19.28 # roger that 08.19.48 # LinusN: do you know the address of the codec? or do you want to see all i2c traffic except RTC 08.21.01 # rwood: 3c 08.21.15 # the device address, that is 08.21.40 # LinusN: thanks, that's what I needed 08.22.27 # Bagder: can you give a list of the top 3? 08.22.32 # no part order... 08.22.44 # 6, 7, 24 08.23.52 # anyone installed debian before? 08.23.54 # i like 24 :) 08.24.09 # i like 7 08.24.22 # simple, with an attitude 08.24.57 # Bagder: Here's my vote (or should i email it to you): 24, 13, 12 (in that order please) 08.25.10 # please email 08.25.24 # it's easier for me to keep track of them all 08.25.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.25.37 # heh 08.25.57 # and I have a script that summarizes all votes easily ;-) 08.26.00 # there 08.26.06 # merwin: the checkbox look fine 08.26.09 # looks 08.26.29 # maybe the angle could be different, but it's ok 08.26.39 # LinusN: can't really make the angle much different 08.26.44 # LinusN: not enough room 08.27.02 # not if you want it to be full height, no 08.27.20 # Personally, i like the angle :) 08.27.28 # then it's ok 08.27.50 # * merwin must live with the player tomorrow on the airplane... I wish i had gotten the recorder 08.27.55 # i'm thinking...should the icons be in tree.c, or somewhere else 08.28.03 # mucho sokoban levels 08.28.22 # LinusN: We could make an icon.c for the player, but it would be REALLY small :-) 08.28.43 # yes, it will be small now, but may be larger later on 08.29.08 # hehehe my design is still in the running :) 08.29.21 # LinusN: You should write up the c file, i'm not the expert at creating new files 08.29.42 # Bagder: what do you think? Maybe it's time for a player/ directory? 08.29.54 # yes 08.29.56 # the player game would be there when it arrives 08.30.18 # * Bagder gives his blessing ;-) 08.30.25 # :-) 08.31.01 # ok, so an icon file, much like the one for recorder then? 08.31.22 # I guess so 08.31.33 # ok, hang on... 08.32.05 # do we have any problems with identically named files? 08.32.17 # player/icons.h and recorder/icons.h 08.32.38 # I think it is best to not use the same name 08.32.42 # or.. 08.32.46 # ah, let's try 08.33.01 # it makes it pretty neat to include include "icons.h" 08.33.04 # the include path would solve that issue for us, i hope... 08.33.07 # yes 08.33.25 # let's do it before zagor wakes up 08.33.33 # hehehe 08.33.35 # go go go ;-) 08.33.36 # LinusN: hah 08.33.40 # mutiny! 08.35.56 # zagor was up late working on asm-less ROLO - 2:00am your time 08.36.36 # why on earth did he have to do that? 08.36.49 # i have done that and found out that it was pointless 08.36.56 # because he's the.... Code Police! 08.37.03 # * Bagder chuckles 08.37.09 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) 08.37.14 # Bagder: i'm telling ya.... he's military! 08.37.17 # hey ho matsl 08.37.31 # merwin: I think he works for some secret organization too 08.37.42 # Bagder: yeah... haxx 08.37.53 # ough, that sounds really bad 08.37.53 # hej Bagder 08.38.34 # matsl: that idefx person seems very much interested in making a database and search ability, I told him he could have a word with you about it 08.39.07 # idefix? ;-) 08.39.34 # he's the one who posted the "seek" patch to the list 08.39.57 # * merwin really needs a bmp -> xbm converter 08.40.02 # ok. He's welcome. 08.40.29 # merwin: xbm? use gimp! :-) or modify the bmp2rb 08.41.14 # Bagder: There's a bug with the Custom WPS... One of my patches was taken out when the new custom wps came in. If you have "Remaining Time" instead of "Elapsed Time", when you FF or REW, it goes in the wrong direction :-) (ie: FF starts counting up instead of down) 08.41.32 # What's the difference between a Folder and a Directory (recorder/icons.h)? 08.41.47 # LinusN: check if both actually are used 08.42.09 # Folder is a microsoft term, Directory isn't :) 08.42.52 # Directory is not used (in tree.c) 08.43.18 # throw it away 08.43.48 # * LinusN brings out his surgical blade 08.43.59 # LinusN: those icons i used are the same as the Archos ones... in case you didn't notice. Thought i'd bring it up :) 08.44.12 # that's STEALING!!! 08.44.14 # :-) 08.44.21 # heh 08.44.48 # lesser artists borrow, greater artists steal ... 08.45.14 # stravinski?? 08.45.27 # merwin: we need a .MOD icon 08.45.39 # LinusN: oh, so what do we do for THAT? 08.45.42 # yeps 08.46.01 # how does it look on the recorder? 08.47.44 # maybe a box with an X, for executable? 08.49.23 # or F, for firmware 08.49.54 # or K for kewlness ;-p 08.50.06 # I like box with X 08.50.11 # or a lightning symbol, like a flash 08.50.54 # LinusN: box with an x looks pretty good 08.51.05 # or a small picture of a processor with opcodes flying through the screen... :-) 08.51.08 # haha 08.51.16 # animated 08.51.24 # LinusN: it can be done :P 08.51.29 # according to the main screen at rockbox, a mod/ajb icon was committed 08.51.30 # actually, animating the icons would be sooooooo cool 08.51.41 # it's empty 08.51.52 # ok 08.51.55 # on my recorder 08.52.05 # but i havent upgraded since last night 08.52.19 # 0x63, 0x7f, 0x3a, 0x7f, 0x63, 0x00 08.52.24 # it can't be empty 08.53.10 # my rockbox version is OLD! :-) 08.53.24 # gotta upgrade! 08.53.37 # Bagder: what's that? 08.54.02 # that's the mod/ajz icon elinebe comitted 08.54.06 # the AJZ icon for the recorder 08.54.12 # I just checked the cvs diff 08.55.57 Join bobTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) 08.56.05 # morning bobTHC 08.56.09 # good morning 08.56.34 # more vote ? 08.56.59 # 21 people voted so far 08.57.07 # we have 230+ people in the mailing list 08.57.38 # yes, rockobox become famous... 08.58.21 # roccia boccia 08.58.48 # we should settle on a way to do the different languages 08.59.26 Quit Hadaka (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08.59.38 # yes, i talk aout that with quelsaruk.. 09.00.16 # he and the german translations are obvious signs that we should make up our minds soon 09.02.09 # the german version is a pure code translation but quelsaruk make a translation macro isn't it ? 09.02.19 # how hard would it be to have the player-new's use custom chars for the international ones that it's charmap is missing 09.02.23 # I don't know what he does, since he won't tell me ;-) 09.02.36 # LinusN: i2c stuff on its way 09.03.07 # in all case he want ure agrement before .... 09.04.19 # said : " but just if the *big boss* likes the idea" 09.04.19 # rwood: great! 09.04.32 # ;) 09.05.05 # bobTHC: well, some sort of access-macro is what we want I guess 09.05.23 # it's a compile-time language selector 09.05.47 # if made smart, it can be either compile-time or run-time 09.06.56 # LinusN: got a haxx logo for startup if you want :-) 09.06.57 # static char player_haxx_icons[24] = 09.06.57 # { 09.06.57 DBUG Enqueued KICK merwin 09.06.57 # 0x11, 0x11, 0x1f, 0x11, 0x11, 0x11, 0x11, 0x00, 09.06.57 # 0x1e, 0x01, 0x0f, 0x11, 0x11, 0x11, 0x0f, 0x00, 09.06.57 *** Alert Mode level 1 09.06.57 # 0x15, 0x11, 0x0a, 0x0e, 0x0a, 0x11, 0x11, 0x00 09.06.59 # }; /* H, A, X */ 09.07.00 # badger I don't know details.... sorry 09.07.01 # lcd_define_pattern(8,player_haxx_icons,24); 09.07.03 # lcd_puts(2, 0, "\x01 \x02 \x03 \x03"); 09.07.05 # for doubleheight of course 09.07.29 # merwin: sucking up, eh? :-) 09.07.29 # heh 09.07.40 # LinusN: hehe... i figure haxx should get SOME credit in this 09.07.56 # LinusN: it was actually one of the t-shirts that gave me the idea 09.07.57 # double flash screen at startup? 09.08.07 Join Hadaka_ [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 09.08.19 Nick Hadaka_ is now known as Hadaka (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 09.08.24 # rwood: excuse me? 09.08.31 # i tried doing a rendition of the rockbox logo in custom chars at one point, but it wouldn't fit in 8 of them and came out crappy at that size anyways heh 09.08.45 # merwin: haxx then rockbox 09.08.48 # PsycoXul: yeah, me too :-) HAXX fits perfectly though 09.08.50 # rwood: yeah... 09.08.54 # rwood: it actually looks good 09.09.07 # woo earthquake 09.09.11 # PsycoXul: hmm? 09.09.24 # i live in southern california 09.09.31 # PsycoXul: enough said 09.09.37 # PsycoXul: what part? 09.09.47 # san bernardino county 09.09.58 # i'm orange county 09.10.10 # hehe 09.10.56 # so did you feel that jolt a minute ago? 09.11.12 # rwood: where in OC? 09.11.21 # no - must not have been that strong 09.11.29 # mecraw: Newport Beach 09.11.45 # rwood: i just moved from irvine 09.11.54 # LinusN/Bagder: one thing about the player's startup rockbox logo that I just noticed... the doubleheight on the new LCD cuts out the version number. I think the version should be included personally :) 09.12.01 # mecraw: welcome to town! 09.12.15 # mecraw: school or work 09.12.41 # rwood: i just left OC... work in Denver now 09.13.01 # mecraw: sorry i miss read 09.13.24 # the not-spin-down-that-fast fix is a really good improvement when moving along to next-song a few times 09.13.35 # Bagder: agreed 09.13.47 # so much more responsive 09.13.48 # Bagder: amen 09.16.05 # merwin: how's it going with the mod/ajz icon? 09.16.25 # LinusN: oh, heh... it's done... i'll give you the code in about 30 seconds 09.16.58 *** Alert Mode OFF 09.17.05 # not one commit in 3 hours?!! :( 09.17.18 # lazy gits 09.17.39 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 09.17.39 # * Bagder actually works 09.17.47 # LinusN: 0x1f, 0x11, 0x1b, 0x15, 0x1b, 0x11, 0x1f, 0x00 09.17.49 # somebody ask info on the undocumented FF/RW "2x" option what is it? 09.18.25 # I think it means "double" and the other number is in how many seconds 09.18.35 # that's my theory ;-) 09.18.46 # so it's ok, it's my theory too... ;) 09.18.47 # yes, it doubles the step size every Y seconds 09.19.36 # it's what i tell him.... 09.19.59 # we should probably document that feature (if it isn't) 09.20.35 # yep.. 09.20.54 # Bagder: [ rockbox-Feature Requests-603569 ] Playlist only filter. I have one supporter! ;-) 09.20.55 # "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rich Cook 09.21.45 # matsl: I doubt that they want the directories cut out like you did anyway 09.22.20 # LinusN: what did that e-mail mean about an "Empty Cup"? The progress cup is on the player :) 09.22.55 # merwin: i wondered that too 09.23.14 # Bagder: Ha! You still don't see the light ;-) 09.23.20 # hehe 09.23.24 # i also wonder how you could have a play time larger than the total track time 09.23.25 # I only use resume 09.23.33 # I could remove the dir browser ;*) 09.24.16 # well, a VBR song without xing tag must be rather uncertain, isn't it? 09.24.26 # total time that is 09.24.27 # matsl: why not just put all your mp3 directories into a .mp3 directory 09.25.07 # Bagder: indeed 09.25.13 # Bagder: ah 09.25.17 # LinusN: how's the player/ dir going? 09.25.33 # well, i think. give me a few more minutes 09.26.02 # LinusN: I've gotta have the cvs with the icons in it for my flight tomorrow :-) 09.26.19 # no problems 09.27.01 # hmm... 09.27.03 # PsycoXul: Yeah, why not. Its just a matter of regenerating all my m3u-files. 09.27.10 # i just remembered i think i made a rockbox logo 09.27.32 # matsl: :%s#^#/.mp3#g 09.27.47 Quit merwin () 09.27.53 # or something along those lines :p 09.28.13 # PsycoXul: easy for me but maybe not as easy for a non programmer. 09.28.27 Join merwin|away [0] (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 09.28.29 Nick merwin|away is now known as merwin- (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 09.28.30 # oh come on 09.28.33 Nick merwin- is now known as merwin (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 09.28.37 # who doesn't know how to do a search and replace? 09.28.50 # My mother!? 09.28.54 # really? 09.29.00 # my mother does, i'm pretty sure... 09.29.06 # oh well 09.29.14 # Sallute to your mother. 09.29.16 # my wife - only search and destroy 09.29.20 # heh 09.29.56 # personally i don't even mess with playlists untill rockbox can make them 09.29.58 # * Bagder imagines rwood trying to hide from her wife when hacking on rolo 09.29.58 # Well I haven't checked the darn thing in so I really respect you view! 09.30.04 # hm his 09.30.04 # i never listen to the same one twice 09.30.15 # in general 09.30.27 # I do playlists with find 09.30.52 # yeah i used find to make my last wholedisk.m3u 09.30.54 # she's looking at me funny - from what she's heard about chat rooms she thinks it's perverted 09.31.02 # hehehe 09.31.03 # i should update that since i've added stuff 09.31.05 # it *is* 09.31.06 # ;-) 09.31.07 # I'm old. I want the playlist to be the same order as on the album. 09.31.36 # matsl: i do to 09.31.44 # but i like different selections of albums 09.32.15 # or to shuffle the whole disk if i can't decide on anything 09.32.45 # i hate the repeat that can't be turned off 09.32.46 # Zagor suggested that a directory sort could list the m3u's first. 09.33.00 # i always end up listening to an album 1.5 - 3 times before i get around to changing it 09.33.16 # i have many mixed-artist albums, and i can't decide whether to organize by artist or by album 09.33.34 # or by genre 09.33.45 # heh 09.33.55 # i'd have a hard time organizing by genre 09.34.06 # * matsl sits on his hands to avoid the 200 file discussion 09.34.13 # hehehe 09.34.14 # i don't even know a good portion of what i listen to would be classified 09.34.20 # and if i found out, i probably wouldn't agree with it :p 09.34.24 # hey, its the 400-discussion now ;-) 09.34.37 # merwin: i'm committing now 09.34.48 # you said it bagder 09.35.09 # "but why can you..." :*) 09.35.49 # okey 09.35.53 # LinusN: do we have rolo? 09.36.33 # no rolo committed yet 09.36.47 # Bagder: hmm... Zagor's futile attempt at a non-asm version? 09.36.51 # :) 09.37.00 # merwin: Zagor modified it to get rid of asm - he had one last problem that i think i solved 09.37.02 # he said it worked before 09.37.08 # rwood: nice 09.37.23 # zagor can't get rid of the asm without putting the code in iram 09.37.27 # rwood: so it works on the player and recorder now? 09.37.49 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 09.37.51 # all he can do is to move the asm code to crt0.S 09.37.59 # ey! 09.38.01 # LinusN: he made a new section at top of mem and moves in crt0 09.38.19 # rwood: yeah, and what did we gain? 09.38.21 # all hide from ... the Code Police! 09.38.29 # Zagor: did you get my email? 09.38.45 # rwood: starting up now... 09.38.48 # LinusN: don't ask me - i just work here 09.39.33 # LinusN: we gained not needing a special rolo assembly routine 09.40.45 # rwood: doh, obvious solution. thanks! 09.40.57 # Zagor: my pleasure 09.41.02 # but we also got even more special sections in the linker command file 09.41.34 # LinusN: so? 09.42.03 # * Bagder awaits the red build for broken simulators B-] 09.42.14 # i thought the rolo asm code was more straightforward 09.42.14 # heh 09.42.43 # more straight-forward than a linker section? i, um, disagree 09.43.17 # you're the boss 09.44.33 # this was what we discussed previously 09.45.12 # yeah, i also thought a special section would be good, until i tried it 09.45.56 # what is the downside, in your opinion? 09.47.52 # have you done it? 09.47.57 # yes 09.48.32 # ok, maybe you found an easier solution than i did, then 09.48.56 # I do it exactly like .icode 09.49.57 # ok, how did you place it at the top? 09.50.23 # like .icode. 7 line copy loop in crt0.S 09.51.00 # no, in the linker script 09.51.32 # ah. i simply cut 0x300 bytes off .mp3end and top .topram there. 09.51.56 # s/top/put/ 09.52.10 # cheater :-) 09.52.13 # .mp3end 0x09200000 - 0x300: 09.52.20 # .topram : AT ( _topramcopy ) 09.52.23 # :-) 09.52.55 # booooh 09.53.09 # yeah, it would be better to have dynamic size but I couldn't figure out how to do that so this will do for now 09.53.37 # i figured that out, and found that i liked the rolo asm better :-) 09.53.44 # haha 09.55.17 # merwin: committed 09.55.27 # Bagder: I want player custom-icon support in the simulator... 09.55.37 # * LinusN is waiting for all the reds on the build page... 09.55.42 # shouldn't be very hard to add 09.55.54 # LinusN: does any code actually use those player icons? 09.56.19 # it does now 09.56.44 # so why does the simulator build fine? 09.57.30 # because you haven't updated :-) 09.57.38 # ? 09.57.43 # I speak of the daily build 09.57.46 # they're green 09.57.48 # all of them 09.57.52 # LinusN: just checked in code that uses it 09.58.00 # ok 09.58.17 # I see now 09.58.19 # the only current code is player_progress_meter, but that is #ifdef:d 09.58.31 # so now it'll go red 09.58.37 # in 2 minutes 09.58.41 # and counting 09.58.50 # :-) 09.59.54 # so should we add a stub? 10.00.03 # yes 10.00.11 # okidoki 10.00.16 # and modify the simulator's makefile to use the icons stuff 10.01.03 # should i put it in lcd_x11.c? 10.01.23 # you can put it in common 10.01.28 # or common/stubs.c? 10.01.35 # that's better 10.01.42 # works for both x11 and win32 10.05.43 # does the player sim need the recorder directory? 10.05.59 # no, I don't think so 10.06.03 # uh 10.06.09 # yes it might 10.06.14 # silly 10.06.19 # not at all 10.06.22 # why would it? 10.06.34 # since the player sim uses the recorder lcd functions heavily 10.06.39 # LinusN: MOD and ZIP icons aren't displayed 10.06.45 # and i do find that silly 10.06.48 # ZIP meaning unknown 10.06.52 # LinusN: then you fix it ;-) 10.06.59 # yeah, but the recorder dir is just icons and games 10.07.06 # true 10.07.08 # merwin: that is because there are no file attributes for that 10.07.11 # those shouldn't be needed 10.07.29 # merwin: .mod icons coming up. why should we show .zip? 10.07.34 # LinusN: shouldn't MOD have the X displayed next to it? 10.07.42 # Zagor: NO icon is shown for any of the unknown files :) 10.07.44 # merwin: that is because there are no file attributes for that 10.08.06 # merwin: i think that's good. then you know that they are not handled by rockbox. 10.08.14 # merwin: the icon is defined, but the extension pattern match isn't 10.08.28 # LinusN: ah 10.09.10 # I just ran into the problem where a file in all lowercase is displayed in all uppercase on the rockbox 10.09.34 # is it *really* all lowercase in the fat? 10.09.54 # that is probably windows playing a joke on you 10.09.59 # Bagder: yeah, i dropped to a dos prompt and looked at it 10.10.17 # merwin: we don't change the case of filenames 10.10.20 # Bagder: the dos prompt shows the case correctly 10.10.28 # I don't trust any windows tools to show the correct case 10.10.45 # merwin: how long is the filename? 10.11.19 # Zagor: 8x3... 10.11.23 # here is a normal display of a file 10.11.26 # 05/09/2002 04:49p DATA Data 10.11.38 # DATA being the 8x3, and Data being the VFAT 10.11.50 # 09/02/2002 02:02p 54 default.wps 10.12.01 # That's my default.wps... there is no 8x3? 10.12.04 # no. "Data" is what windows converts it into. short filenames don't have a VFAT entry. 10.12.29 # 01/04/2001 09:28a 814,382 SETUP.ZIP Setup.zip 10.12.54 # yeah, but try making it "SetUp.zip". you won't succeed. 10.13.16 # 01/04/2001 09:28a 814,382 SETUP.ZIP SetUp.zip 10.13.40 # hmm? strange. 10.13.41 # interesting 10.14.20 # Zagor: i would put money on the fact that if i rename default.wps to default.rwps that it would display in lowercase 10.14.43 # of course. default.rwps is not a 8+3 filename 10.16.00 # Zagor: i think i have an explaination... hold on 10.16.58 # There's a setting in Win2k/XP that says: 10.16.59 # If "Create 8+3 filenames" is activated (default), Windows also creates a 8+3 filename for each file. Only 16-bit apps will need those 8+3 names, so if you don't have any legacy programs you can properly deactivate this option. 10.17.27 # it says it's only for NTFS (which my hard drive is formatted as), but maybe that's affecting this somehow 10.17.50 # because the SETUP.ZIP also has a SetUp.zip, but for some reason there is no MSDOS filename for config.wps 10.18.02 Quit Zagor (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.18.12 # i guess zagor didn't agree :) 10.18.16 # hehehe 10.18.21 # peer killed him 10.18.22 # ;-) 10.18.31 # mixed case names always have long names 10.18.57 # LinusN: Check this out 10.18.58 # 09/02/2002 02:02p 54 default.wps 10.19.06 # 09/02/2002 02:02p 54 DEFAULT.WPS deFault.wps 10.19.19 # if i put a capitol F in it, it'll display correctly on the rockbox 10.19.39 # define "correctly" 10.20.18 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 10.20.30 # correctly meaning contains lowercase letters also :) Windows and Linux will display default.wps in lowercase, but rockbox displays it in uppercase 10.20.31 # whoa. what a ride! 10.22.52 # Bagder: the sim makefile can't build without the games and screensavers 10.23.36 # merwin: correctly in my world is displaying what FAT says... 10.24.22 # LinusN: well, yes, but if every other OS that supports FAT32 will display it in lowercase, we might as well do that also :) 10.25.03 # LinusN: that seems wrong, I agree 10.25.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.25.42 # as far as I can remember, 8+3 files are not supposed to *have* long entries. 10.25.52 # Zagor: they don't, that's why it displays them in all uppercase 10.26.09 # bedtime for bonzo - see ya tommorrow 10.26.10 # Zagor: so there is absolutely no way to create an 8x3 file that will display in lowercase on the rockbox 10.26.15 # Zagor: that's the only thing that i have a problem with :) 10.26.17 Quit rwood () 10.26.39 # merwin: if there are no long entries, how come you have them on windows? 10.26.51 # 09/02/2002 02:02p 54 default.wps 10.26.51 # 09/02/2002 02:02p 54 DEFAULT.WPS deFault.wps 10.26.59 # Zagor: there isn't one for the all-lowercase apparently 10.27.07 # Zagor: mixed case names always have long names 10.27.27 # LinusN: ah, of course 10.30.09 # any word from hes yet? 10.30.30 # now i wish someone could fix the win32 simulator... 10.30.39 Join alkorr [0] (alkorr@ASte-Genev-Bois-110-1-3-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.30.49 # Hi ! 10.30.50 # yo alan! 10.31.00 # hi 10.31.48 # LinusN: you can start with fixing the x11 sim :-) 10.32.00 # just kidding 10.33.53 # it would be too cool if we can compile the same code of uisimulator either under cygwin or VC or X11. 10.34.11 # alkorr: win32 doesn't have much X11 support :-) 10.34.46 # someone should create a full linux distribution in Cygwin that boots to X11 :) 10.35.39 # Zagor: there are X-support libraries under cygwin. 10.35.44 # cygwin can run X11 ;P 10.36.22 # Zagor: I have tried it once and it works. 10.36.30 # then what's the problem? just compile it. 10.36.46 # it is stupid to do so 10.36.57 # alkorr: yes, but someone should create a full version that comes with KDE, StarOffice, etc, etc. 10.37.13 # merwin: why? run linux, like any sane person 10.37.51 # Zagor: but under cygwin you can run 100% of win32 apps also... which i need for my job 10.38.10 # merwin: By vmware. 10.38.26 # s/By/Buy 10.38.56 # matsl: I do have VMWare, but my company provided laptop isn't quite fast enough to do a realtime job of the apps that I need to have access to :-) 10.39.25 # merwin: Buy a new laptop ;-) 10.39.42 # matsl: it's company provided... i can't get one until they say i can :) 10.39.47 # i'm their bitch 10.40.34 # merwin: Does the company object to that you provied your own hardware ;-) 10.42.38 # matsl: I don't really have the 2k to spend on a new laptop 10.43.41 # merwin: :-( 10.44.41 # matsl: if i did have that much money i'd definately not have this compaq piece of shit p3-700 (sounds decent, but it's a mobile p3... slow as shit :-) 10.45.01 # the only valuable solution is to use SDL because it is multiplatform (windows, unix, beos, mac) and can handle video,sound,threads and files in a much simpler way 10.45.14 # not at all 10.45.19 # because we have all the code today 10.45.25 # going SDL is much more work 10.45.51 # well once done all extension to be done would be for all platform 10.45.52 # but if someone makes it, then it'll be fun 10.45.53 # Bagder: but in the long run it'll provide the most comprehensive 10.46.00 # possibly 10.46.21 # I am not convinced that is true 10.46.23 # but we don't need openGL graphics and sound playback 10.46.33 # it would be nice to have sound playback 10.47.04 # it would be horrible, since the mpeg thread is very target specific 10.47.18 # nice for fun, maybe. bad for debugging. 10.47.27 # I wouldn't want sound, but I could have a more target-looking mpeg thread 10.47.52 # i want a more player-like player LCD simulation 10.48.04 # so what's wrong with it now? 10.48.16 # not looking like the player LCD font? 10.48.47 # exactly, and no user-defined characters 10.49.04 # well, the user-defined part can easily be added 10.49.40 # fonts too, if someone hacks up a font file 10.49.46 # very true 10.49.49 # a quick lcd font file 10.50.01 # besides, how the font look doesn't matter much to how we program it 10.50.08 # we can still test most of the things in the sim 10.50.35 # as long as the APIs and behaviors are fine 10.51.15 # * merwin is going to bed... see y'all in 7 hours 10.51.18 Join idefx [0] (~idefx@ABrest-103-1-4-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.51.23 # night merwin 10.51.27 # nite 10.51.27 # night merwin 10.51.33 Nick merwin is now known as merwin|zzzzz (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 10.52.01 # Matsl, i've been told to talk to you, you're working to kind of db stuff, isn't it ? 10.53.11 # LinusN: did you try icons on your player-old? 10.53.36 # oops 10.53.52 # , 10.54.07 # LinusN: how many user config chars can the player-old have? 10.54.10 # idefx: I droped a mail to you 10.54.12 # talking in his sleep? ;-) 10.54.12 # 4 10.54.20 # LinusN: oops 10.54.21 # it appears to kill the contrast when displaying icons. very odd. 10.54.30 # LinusN: we have more than 4, huh? 10.54.45 # at the same time? 10.54.50 # matsl: Did you ? i didn't receive it i think. Maybe i should verify 10.54.58 # idefx: I'm not really working on it. Just started to look at a java app that could get the id3 10.55.01 # at the same time 10.55.13 # Zagor: could be because we're putting 6 or so characters into something that can only handle 4 custom chars? 10.55.26 # yes i received it. I'm reading it.. 10.55.28 # idefx: But need idea on how the db should be organized. 10.56.01 # ok, real bed now. heh 10.56.12 # * merwin|zzzzz is shutting his laptop lid! 10.56.32 # i'm fixing the old-player now 10.56.54 # OK: I only thought about a search string feature, case-insensitive, on the name/title/artist and album of each mp3 entries. 10.57.28 # In fact, i implemented the search function, but it takes too long to run on the device... 10.58.39 # idefx: Well, if there is a db why not go all the way and use it for browsing dir and browsing playlists etc. 10.59.26 # idfx : how many time for a request ? 11.00.12 # matsl: yes, that's why i say you that i 'only thought about a search function', what you think about can go much further... But i'd be happy to work on it 11.00.33 # bobTHC: i'm beginning a test... 11.01.33 # 45 sec for 64 files 11.01.41 # ouch... 11.02.02 # with a 2 word request ("the u") 11.02.23 # idefx: Well, I think it was LinusN idea from the start. Iwas just looking for a reason for hacking java. 11.03.22 # OK, so, we have to think about what feature add in the db. 11.03.40 # idefx: To be honest I haven't thought about what limits there might be to the db solution. It might have its problems too. 11.04.22 # What is the ram size ?? 11.04.37 # idefx: 2MB 11.04.47 # for *everything* 11.05.47 # idefx: think kilobytes, not megabytes 11.05.52 # So the db-solution should use no more RAM than the current browse filesystem. 11.06.00 # Zagor: i know... 11.06.08 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@dsl-2129324-071.ip.versatel.de) 11.07.24 # So browsing the filesystem creating on huge XML-file is probably not the way to go. 11.07.27 # someone should write up docs on how to setup a cross-compiler env with cygwin on windows 11.07.35 # since that's the best windows env 11.08.07 # matsl: sure... 11.08.16 # Create a locatedb (a binary tree in a file of some sort) by an external utility, searching it should be fast and not memory intensive... 11.08.29 # write perl and windows programs to create the db 11.08.38 # topic cygwin: There surely is a way to edit some initializing script so that can set the path? Where is it? What's it's name? 11.08.41 # matsl: xml files are not very search-friendly. we should probably use fixed-field index files for quick scanning 11.08.45 Part LinusN 11.09.11 # if the file would be sorted you could do a quick search in it 11.09.22 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 11.09.25 # woooo 11.09.38 # i guess usb-storage has a few bugs left... 11.09.53 # well, sorted won't do since it should contain all sorts of data and it can't be sorted on all of them 11.10.10 # Just a silly question: couldn't it be possible to use another fs than fat ??? for as far as i remember, some filesystem (like reiserfs) are db-based. Reiserfs is too complicated for an archos, but, maybe create another one ?? 11.10.42 # and lost the portable HD capacity ? 11.10.45 # that is not really the sensible approach to this problem anyway ;-) 11.11.07 # idefx: think "windows compatibility" 11.11.08 # Hes: I know perl is preferable but I need to refresh my java. It can allways be ported. Besides I haven't started yet, 11.11.29 # if the file format is just defined, anyone could write tools to generate the file(s) 11.11.48 # Right. 11.12.25 # matsl : when u build java Virtual Machine for rockbox ? ;) 11.12.28 # well, someone here may be able to write a windows driver.. and, maybe partition the HD, on fat partition to put the driver, and the rest in idefx-fs(trademark), so, it could be used on windows ;) 11.12.51 # idefx: sure, come back when you're done and we'll consider your patch ;-) 11.13.08 # Bagder :=))) 11.14.44 Nick matsl is now known as matsl|busy (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) 11.15.01 # LinusN: usb-storage crashes my SMP boxes maybe 2 times of 3 inserts 11.15.08 # the fact is it sounds silly to make a db each time we add/modify a file, whereas we could make a db-fs... But... you know... still looks difficult ;) 11.15.29 # idefx: I disagree, making a new fs seems a lot more silly to me 11.15.59 # Bagder: It looks difficult, but more logical.. 11.16.06 # I disagree 11.16.09 # it is not in my head 11.16.31 # Archos is successul a lot thanks to the fat 11.16.47 # the really question is it's possible to make an incremential db directly with the device or update a the db itch time with the pc... 11.16.58 # I know some guy that liked too modify the firmware, and have re-written it from the beginning. Sounds logical. 11.17.19 # Is there some code somewhere where I can spy how to receive events from the remote control? 11.17.31 Join quelsaruk [0] (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 11.17.34 # hi 11.17.54 # 1-800-MULTILANG is here yo! 11.17.54 # langhaarrocker: they are simply buttons 11.18.50 # well, a question would be: a single file db, or one db per directory ? 11.19.10 # langhaarrocker: button_get() gets remote control events too 11.20.56 # Bagder: shoul i explain my idea of multilanguage support here or by mail? I normally don't explain myself quite well, so if you don't understand anything i can re-explain it :) 11.21.22 # well, is there a project to implement recording function in the moment ? 11.22.07 # idefx: no, not until we have filesystem writes 11.22.17 # quelsaruk: I prefer mail, since I'm not too concentrated on this IRC conversation 11.22.22 # ok :) 11.22.29 # and someone working on filesystem write ?? 11.22.40 # idefx: i am 11.22.55 # Zagor: oK 11.23.45 # just another question, has anyone test the recording (from the stock firmware) from the digital in ?? does it work ? 11.24.09 # yes but SCMS work too 11.24.28 # but u can desactivate it ... 11.24.53 # that'll be a nice can of worms... 11.25.24 # bobTHC: is it softwared ?? 11.25.24 # when RIAA sues Rockbox you mean? 11.25.31 # LinusN: yeah 11.25.40 # that'll be a fun day ;-P 11.26.17 # yes because a hack exist on the stock version 11.26.48 # bobTHC: what hack ??? 11.26.55 # buah! 11.27.25 # Put in the following as the new artists name: HFSCMSOFF 11.27.42 # i can't use the user-defined icon 0, because it terminates the string! :-( 11.27.50 # too hard isn'it ? 11.27.50 # hehehe 11.27.55 # LinusN: :) 11.28.08 # gah, time for a lcd_putchar() function 11.28.26 # lcd_putch() 11.28.30 # lcd_putc() 11.28.32 # ? 11.28.44 # putc() 11.28.49 # bobTHC: OK, thks 11.28.50 # yup 11.33.05 Quit idefx ("BitchX: a modern client for a old world") 11.33.08 # Zagor: I got the most interesting crash this morning 11.33.35 # with disk spindown at 5 sec, it reboots when entering wps after having loaded my full playlist and done the shuffle 11.33.45 # every time 11.33.48 # ! 11.33.55 # increasing it to 6 secs make it survive 11.34.36 Nick matsl|busy is now known as matsl (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) 11.34.43 # kind of not good 11.34.53 # kind of :-) 11.35.06 # we very much need a spindown handler that doesn't spin down in the middle of a read 11.36.00 # yes 11.39.47 # Bagder: message sent, i hope you can understand my english :) 11.40.22 # quelsaruk: I'm sure I will, or I'll ask for clarification 11.40.23 # now both players work with custom characters 11.40.27 # of course, as soon as i finish this, i could send it to you so you can see what i mean 11.40.59 # we may want to move the custom chars in the translation tables 11.42.08 # sorry, LinusN, who are you talking to? 11.42.41 # i 'm speaking about the custom defined characters on the player LCD's 11.42.56 # ahhh 11.42.59 # :) 11.43.33 # they are characters codes 0-3 and 0-7 recpectively 11.43.39 # the players really are significantly faster than recorders 11.43.51 # character code 0 conflicts with the string terminator 11.43.52 # it's very noticeable in the rolo descrambling 11.44.06 # ROLO going in now 11.44.13 # * Bagder hoorays 11.44.19 # descrambling code in IRAM perhaps? 11.44.34 # LinusN: nah, we're not really in a hurry doing it 11.44.38 # ROLO r0000lz! 11.44.44 # ROOOOLOZ 11.45.05 # that "poor man's ROR" is probably what's taking the most time 11.45.19 # maybe a lookup table? 11.45.24 # When I max bass or treble the volume gets lower. feature, bug, known? 11.45.29 # i just noticed, again, how much difference there is 11.45.40 # LinusN: why do we want it 1s instead of 2s? no point. 11.45.42 # matsl: a necessary feature to avoid distortion 11.46.07 # LinusN: So I gather. rather unexpected though. 11.46.30 # we are working on a smoother calculation 11.47.14 # the resolution of the volume compensation can be better 11.47.35 # smoother? How can making the volume lower be made smoother 11.47.37 # ;-) 11.48.04 # in smaller steps... 11.49.22 # ROLO ROCKS!!!!!!! 11.49.45 # Hmm... Shouldn't volume, bass and treble be one function then. they all depend on each other? 11.50.11 # the caller of those functions may not know all values 11.50.37 # and the compensation is done by the driver, not by the application 11.51.02 Nick quelsaruk is now known as quel|out (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 11.51.35 # at last i can load the gdb stub without USB! 11.51.51 # that's cool indeed 11.52.18 # f*ckin awesome! 11.52.39 # but should the volume name really show in the directory? 11.53.53 # I'll probably post something about rockbox sooner or later. 11.53.56 # LinusN: I don't mean function as in C-function but rather that they arrarently depend on each other. 11.54.08 # s/arra/appa 11.54.09 # celebrity users are good ;-) 11.54.11 # yes they do 11.55.13 # LinusN: If you have to lower the volume when bass is increased maybe the volume shouldn't have been allowed to be set that high before. What am I missing? 11.55.57 # gah! I have to fix the F2/F3 stuff so people stop adding all kinds of fetures to F2... 11.55.58 # matsl: we want to allow for maximum volume at all times 11.57.01 # I understand. behavior need to be documented. Its a surprising feature. 11.57.19 # it won't be as surprising when we have increased the resolution 11.57.42 # we don't document anything so why should that be documented? B) 11.57.44 # LinusN: Don't you expect users to hear that the volume get slower? 11.57.48 # see the player manual 11.57.59 # RTFM? ;-) 11.58.09 # the player users read the recorder manual 11.58.15 # since it is more complete 11.58.29 # ok. 11.58.55 # we should probably mix it more, so we don't duplicate so much into 11.58.56 # * Bagder utters subtle complaints about player developers not updating the manual ;-) 11.58.57 # info 11.59.06 # yes 11.59.12 # or use proper #includes 11.59.35 # * matsl things some things conserns both player and recorder 12.00.14 # matsl: we should document it, yes 12.01.24 # About the manual. Where is it? Looked in docs but ... ?? 12.01.32 # www/manual 12.01.59 # Of course ;-) 12.03.53 # fcpp? 12.04.03 # frexx cpp 12.04.16 # frexx cpp?? 12.04.18 # html-aware c preprocessor 12.04.28 # by the c00lest d00ds on earth 12.05.19 # You mean ..., no your not serious ... you are! Huh! 12.05.43 # we'd never use software written by someone else :-) 12.06.07 # :-) 12.06.50 # pow(NIH) 12.09.48 # Since these c00l d00ds doesn't seem to have a link form the home page could I be please enlightened in how to get this invaluable tool ;-) 12.14.15 Quit h0bby () 12.14.23 # grab it from labb:~bjst/bin/fcpp 12.14.51 # ok 12.20.40 Part langhaarrocker 12.22.05 # ah, green build again. 12.24.56 # Zagor: There is no Makefile in www/devcon 12.25.21 # fixing 12.25.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.26.35 # added 12.36.32 # Zagor: docs_ link is missing? I added it but got makefile loop. Help!? 12.38.01 # well, docs_ is the /docs dir 12.38.22 # the web site does not mirror the cvs structure completely 12.38.54 # Aha. I did a link and the make got into a loop. 12.42.56 Nick LinusN is now known as LinusN|lunch (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 13.00.55 # The build from this morning with the latest ATA fix did not skip - instead of skipping it got stuck 13.01.15 # it was in WPS, play mode (play icon), in beginning of a song 13.01.20 # 00:00 13.02.07 # Hes: oops :-) 13.04.08 # Hes: what is your disk spindown timer set to? 13.05.49 # 3 s 13.06.02 # try settings it to 5 13.08.16 # we should have a lowest spindown 13.08.23 # that should probably be at least 4 13.08.39 # rather, we should make sure the code works with all spindowns 13.08.43 # right 13.08.51 # very low spindown is so painful nobody wants it anyway 13.09.07 # 23 voters so far 13.09.16 # What difference would 3 => 5 do? 13.10.08 # Hes: we have some bug in the ata code, it would be interesting to see if 3->5 makes a difference 13.13.11 Quit mbr (Remote closed the connection) 13.16.18 Nick matsl is now known as matsl|lunch (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) 13.16.31 Join mbr [0] (~tiw4mabr@rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de) 13.16.53 # Hi! 13.16.57 # hey mbr 13.17.28 # hm 13.17.55 # when I press f1 to go to the menu from the wps, and then press left to return to wps, that left-press is treated in the wps 13.18.57 # I'll try with the 5. 13.19.49 # Bagder: fixing 13.19.57 # goodie 13.22.30 Nick LinusN|lunch is now known as LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 13.23.05 Join notch [0] (hidden-use@arthur.techprt.co.uk) 13.23.26 # Zagor: didn't you fix that yesterday? 13.23.58 # this was built this morning 13.24.09 # LinusN: no, i did the wrong thing 13.24.23 # you? wrong? naaaahh... 13.27.06 # I added a little bragging about ROLO to the web news, and fixed openprojects => freenode on the irc page... 13.27.44 # why does the irc page get so wide? 13.28.08 # Zagor: i think last_button may not necessarily be, for example, BUTTON_LEFT 13.28.10 # the logs table does not wrap it's rows 13.28.19 # if you press several keys at once 13.28.31 # aha, they're all s... 13.28.54 # in the case of roght/left it may be ok, though 13.32.48 # LinusN: this is only for prev/next, not general 13.33.10 Join Blaster_Master [0] (~noone@firewall.scribona.com) 13.34.37 Join edx|sleep [0] (~edx@p508114B8.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.35.41 # hey edx 13.36.35 # hi 13.36.39 Nick edx|sleep is now known as edx (~edx@p508114B8.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.36.43 # hmm im at school 13.36.46 # gotta go 13.36.49 Part edx 13.41.36 # Zagor: i wish we could find a general solution to that problem 13.42.26 # we can't. the other option is to wait for button release in menu.c 13.43.20 # but there will always be release issues to deal with. we already deal with it for the MENU/F1 key 13.44.46 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@dsl-2129324-071.ip.versatel.de) 13.45.46 # LinusN: there is no way to read the F2+UP combination, right? 13.47.09 # you need to see what value you get when F2+UP 13.48.02 # ok, it is distinct. but messy :-) 13.48.56 # in fact you just need to have the limits for all combinaison 13.49.19 # and have a binary search to know the combinaison 13.49.20 # yes 13.49.40 # it seems different units have very different levels 13.50.34 # as long as they have no conflict for differnt levels, it should works 13.50.59 # yes. we just need to find the limits. 13.51.28 # a good average for each limit so it can work for all units 13.52.11 # my unit and zagors unit have very different levels 13.52.25 # LinusN: but are they conflicting? 13.52.45 # if they are proportional it isn't a problem 13.53.29 # no they are not conflicting, but they are close 13.53.33 # We need a calibration method - just like joysticks ;) 13.55.36 # example: my UP key gives 1000 decimal, Zagors 917 13.55.40 # one way to do so is having dynamical calibration 13.56.02 # my F2 key gives 800 and zagors gives 730 13.56.14 # what is the greater number ? 13.56.34 # try to have the limit in order 13.56.39 # so having the threshold at 900 is too close 13.56.39 # limits 13.57.00 # alkorr: why shouldn't we have the limits on order? 13.57.25 # binsearch? 13.57.47 # i'm saying that the difference between my UP and F2 keys is 200 (1000 vs 800) 13.57.56 # okay 13.58.01 # therefore i would want to put the limit at 900 13.58.24 # but that is too close for Zagor, whose UP key gives 917 13.58.33 # well we can have a dynamical callibration which alters limits to coaxe with the real ones 13.58.34 Quit Blaster_Master () 13.58.52 # alkorr: yes, but we need to know which key is pressed to do that 13.59.14 # say for UP, we have 950 13.59.16 # the UP key is not a candidate for that, for example 13.59.18 # LinusN: we both have excactly 20% difference 13.59.47 # not that it helps :-) 13.59.51 # okay 14.00.05 # just add a new menu to calibrate buttons 14.00.15 # 20% difference? 14.00.37 # 800 is 20% below 1000. 730 is 20% below 917. 14.00.57 # yes, the offsets are the same 14.01.18 # ask for some buttons so a calibration would fit the limits 14.01.22 # Would that differ on the battery voltage? 14.01.33 # Hes: no, we've checked that 14.01.38 # it seems like you have another voltage reference 14.01.42 # of course, they should have been put in disk 14.01.43 # for the ADC 14.01.49 # surely 14.02.11 # but the stock firmware handles it without calibration, so we should too 14.02.50 # it only can be due to a different voltage, they wouldn't change the resistors values, could be a catastrophic if so 14.03.10 # Linus: stock firmware doesn't like combination 14.03.29 # i figured so, but some users say they do 14.03.34 # except if they comes from different key groups 14.04.00 # so F2 with DOWN is okay, but not F2 and UP because they are in the same group 14.04.10 # yes i know 14.05.17 # some users have reported that the stock firmware is tolerant to key combinations 14.06.40 Nick matsl|lunch is now known as matsl (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) 14.06.42 # maybe they think the stock firmware is tolerant to key combination because they try with non ADC keys (on/off) 14.07.03 # i mean "ONLY try" 14.07.36 # no, the bug report specifically mentioned UP+F2 14.08.14 # we interpret UP+F2 as F3 14.13.29 # we could autocalibrate if we could be sure about which key is pressed 14.14.00 # i mean, the very first keypress should be a single key 14.14.13 # and after that we adjust the limits accordingly 14.14.33 # not dynamically, just at startup 14.14.41 # and only if we haven't stored the calibration before 14.14.54 # we don't need to store it 14.15.15 # no, not if you can make it invisible 14.15.17 # woo hey 14.15.47 # so now that the player's dir browser has custom char icons, why not just invert the one with the cursor over it and get rid of the arrow 14.16.12 # invert the icon? 14.16.12 # sounds like a terrific idea 14.16.45 # or blink, toggling between an arrow and the icon 14.16.51 # LinusN: yes, or some such sort of indicative change 14.17.11 # animate it, perhaps 14.17.17 # that woudl be cool 14.17.23 # yeah 14.17.25 # that would be 14.17.30 # yeah, I want animation. why have you guys been so slow? ;-) 14.17.33 # it is certainly possible 14.17.43 # yes 14.17.55 # just update the pattern definition and it's reflected on the screen 14.18.00 # easy as pie 14.19.23 # Psyco, text LCD must have support for a cursor if it is what you want 14.20.33 # alkorr: hmm? 14.20.57 # alkorr: the icons are custom chars, rockbox can change them however it likes, independant of any other LCD features 14.21.02 # text LCD usually has a hardware cursor 14.21.12 # if you want one 14.21.27 # the blinking block kind 14.21.53 # alkorr: yes, the hardware cursor blinks between normal and inverted, and rather slowly.. its invisible half the time while scrolling through files 14.21.55 # if it can be helpful for something 14.22.22 # cannot be speedup ? 14.22.26 # alkorr: it's better doing something with the custom chars, which are easy to change on the screen 14.23.00 # as you like, take it as a suggestion not as a mandatory request 14.23.30 # i modified rockbox to do it some time ago 14.23.43 # and it wasn't very good 14.23.43 # heh 14.23.54 # but is was unsastified ok 14.25.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.25.41 # i hate people posting bug reports in various forums all over 14.26.11 # why do people post bug reports on debian on my programs? 14.26.17 # * Bagder is clueless 14.28.49 # Have to say good bye! 14.28.57 # I'm off for the next 3 weeks for vacation. Have a nice time!! 14.29.08 # wow, have a good time mbr 14.29.19 # Thanks :) 14.29.24 # we'll modify all your code in your absense B) 14.30.17 # If it is better after that (what is not hard) I'll be happy :) 14.30.24 # hehe 14.30.43 # Bye 14.30.50 Part mbr 14.41.54 Nick seb-sleep is now known as seb-away (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 15.00.22 Nick elinenbe|sleeps is now known as elinenbe (trilluser@user-0cceh8k.cable.mindspring.com) 15.00.27 # morning all 15.00.35 # hi 15.00.38 # hi 15.00.41 # afternoon eli 15.00.45 # do you like my icons? 15.00.46 # how do you guys feel about this font parameter many of the lcd_* functions take? I think we should skip it and just use one font. 15.00.52 # elinenbe: looks nice! 15.00.56 # thanks. 15.01.02 # Zagor: I think so too 15.01.03 # we can 15.01.14 # 't deal with dynamic font switches very good anyway 15.01.20 # you can do whatever you want with the extra sokoban levels... I know it takes up a bunch of space. 15.01.21 # exactly 15.01.23 # and we never use them 15.01.40 # elinenbe: I want them, but I think they should be loaded from disk 15.01.51 # Zagor: I agree. 15.03.12 # what is the current status on the T-Shirt voting? 15.03.24 # 6 and 7 15.03.37 # Bagder: can do think about how (if) we can handle BUTTON_REL evens in the simulator? 15.03.50 # I don't really know 15.03.57 # we use them more and more and it would be nice to simulate it somehow 15.04.06 # yes, I agree 15.08.29 # Now that the RoLo works (congrats! My life was brightened by that!) - 15.08.29 # Do you think it would be possible do establish a more modular concept of loading modules with some extra functionality dynamically? 15.09.06 # langhaarrocker: no. the overhead for loading modules would far outweigh the benefits 15.09.23 # better to make separate mod files and run them with rolo 15.09.39 # rockbox is #45 on sourceforge's highest activity list! way to go! 15.10.03 # wow 15.10.15 # i have a very odd bug here 15.10.18 # lcd_putsxy(0, LCD_HEIGHT/2 - h, "Scroll bar", 0); 15.10.19 # and difficult because you will need a special object format to allow address relocation of functions and data. 15.10.21 # Gimme cvs access and I'll push the activity ;), harharhar 15.10.24 # lcd_putsxy(LCD_WIDTH - w, LCD_HEIGHT/2 - h, ptr,0); 15.10.41 # the second putsxy is drawn one pixel lower then the first! 15.12.49 # does anyone have a fun .wps that I can use on the recorder? 15.13.02 # Zagor: one pixel down? 15.13.05 # * Bagder has not 15.13.07 # LinusN: yes 15.13.27 # elinenbe: i'm too busy programming to actually use this stuff :-) 15.16.05 # Zagor: haha I know what you mean. But sometime you need to try it out to see the bugs. 15.16.22 # Zagor: like loadable fonts not working on the target! ;) 15.16.36 # I never noticed ;) 15.24.12 # the pixel bug only happens in propfonts, not fixed fonts 15.24.56 # i'm thinking about LCD_WIDTH-w 15.25.03 # how large is w? 15.25.27 # there's another bug in fixed-width mode: it cuts the last char on each line 15.25.35 # LinusN: lcd_getstringsize("string") 15.25.44 # so it can be negative? 15.25.52 # or very big 15.26.00 # LinusN: no 15.26.48 # the string is "Status bar", so w should be about 40 15.27.05 # * Zagor is firing up gdb 15.27.08 # i was thinking that it may wrap in the frame buffer 15.27.23 Join Dexter [0] (~Dexter@Mix-Pointe-a-Pitre-105-3-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.27.24 # one pixel row in the x direction 15.27.47 # 657 lcd_putsxy(LCD_WIDTH - w, LCD_HEIGHT/2 - h, ptr,0); 15.27.48 # (gdb) p w 15.27.48 # $1 = 29 15.29.44 # so it starts at x=112-29 15.30.11 # yes 15.30.29 # ah, misa silly 15.30.38 # w is not the problem. h is... :-) 15.30.55 # p h 15.30.56 # ;-) 15.31.08 # * Zagor is not saying :-) 15.31.16 # hahaha 15.31.46 # i think i know... 15.32.09 Part Dexter 15.33.41 Join pimlottc [0] (~pimlottc@a1-1b012.neo.rr.com) 15.35.44 # brb 15.35.46 Part elinenbe 15.36.29 Join gizz [0] (gizz@lyon-4-a7-62-147-49-157.dial.proxad.net) 15.37.19 # Hi all 15.38.49 # hi 15.41.20 # I've got trouble booting rockbox on my AJB6K.. :( 15.42.17 Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@user-0cceh8k.cable.mindspring.com) 15.43.25 # Zagor: maybe we should set last_disk_activity after the mutex is aquired 15.43.44 # both before and after, even 15.43.50 # Anybody can decrypt bootup panicf() messages ?? 15.44.16 # LinusN: it doesn't help, since ata_sleep() nulls the timer. 15.44.20 Join sylvr [0] (silver@typhoon.xnet.com) 15.44.29 # gizz: what does it say? 15.44.46 # LinusN: maybe that 500ms extra delay idea is the best 15.44.47 # No FAT32 pa 15.44.52 # 020903-1151 15.44.57 # (2 lines) 15.45.11 # gizz: it means your disk is formatted very strangely and we can't figure out what kind of disk it is 15.45.12 # it doesn't find a fat32 partition 15.45.30 # well, archos firmware still boots.. 15.45.40 # and USB mode works still 15.45.47 # who wants to solve my pet peeve with r0ckb0x? 15.46.18 # what happened, is that my jukebox falled on the floor, so some area may be hard to read... 15.46.42 # I wonder if read() shouldn't retry 1 or 2 times before panicf().... 15.47.58 # gizz: that is probably not the problem 15.48.09 # yeah ? 15.48.18 # so.. ? 15.48.22 # did rockbox 1.3 work on it before the fall? 15.48.32 # yes (definitely :) 15.48.41 # ok. hmm... 15.49.30 # oh yeah, I forgot : 15.49.37 # (here it comes) :-) 15.50.24 # I tried to dd() the begininning of my hdd, (both with linux/cygwin) and it fails at some point (impossible to read more than ~32kb) 15.50.40 # BUT, archos firmware boots !!!! 15.50.42 # still 15.50.58 # gizz: maybe your hd ist broken and it's only the rom firmware - not the one from disk 15.51.14 # right 15.51.31 # but ROM fw loads MP3 correctly.. 15.51.46 # maybe the partitionning area is broken.. :( 15.52.07 # sounds like it, yes 15.52.10 # Anyone know a tool to check/fix that kind of problem ?? 15.52.39 # (or a way to move partitions, or anything, so the area is at another place) 15.53.07 # You can access the hd via usb? 15.53.08 # most disk tools should be able to check that. like norton disk doctor or similar. 15.53.29 # One info though, Rockbox seems to load, at least after logo (which is displayed) then, the panicf() 15.53.41 # lang..:yes 15.53.41 # ok 15.54.10 # ok, so we may do one check too many 15.54.42 # zagor: don't have ndd by hand, do you know some linux tools ?? or maybe freeware/windows ?? 15.55.04 # gizz: no, sorry. 15.55.09 # I'd try to backup anything valuable first and than start with good old checkdisk (from windows) 15.55.29 # oh, it was calles scandisk 15.55.35 # Lang good idea.. (I've already backed it up) 15.56.29 # lang: do you know if I can do the same as scandisk, but under linux ?? (have plugged my hdd to a linux box) 15.56.56 # I know fsck, but it's logical rather than physical check 15.57.05 # dosfsck 15.57.22 # thx 15.57.46 # time to go home! 15.57.48 # bye all! 15.57.52 # bye 15.57.53 # see ya 15.57.56 # sleep tight 15.58.06 Part LinusN 15.59.24 # c u later ! 16.00.02 Quit gizz () 16.07.46 # Bagder: 16.07.53 # lcd_getstringsize returns wrong for propfont. it returns max glyph size, while putsxy() still always clears 8 pixels high. 16.11.57 Nick quel|out is now known as quelsaruk (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 16.16.11 Nick matsl is now known as matsl|out (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) 16.25.04 # I guess the propfonts code isn't there to stay anyway 16.25.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.26.39 # no 16.45.07 Quit mecraw|work (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.53.25 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EABA06.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.54.47 # I'm off for today, see ya around 16.54.51 # bye 16.54.55 Part Bagder 17.03.30 Quit merwin|zzzzz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.10.49 Join Snorlax [0] (lamamba_@h135n1fls34o883.telia.com) 17.11.15 # cu later ! 17.11.20 Part bobTHC 17.14.43 Quit notch () 17.25.37 Nick edx is now known as edx|off (~edx@pD9EABA06.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.27.27 Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@sdf.lonestar.org) 17.27.38 Part langhaarrocker 17.27.45 # hi all 17.28.45 # ps: rolo rocks. kudos to randy and whoever else worked on it. 17.29.16 # hardeep: it makes debugging and programming so much better. No more reloading! 17.29.49 # hardeep: No more rebooting (that is what I mean) 17.35.40 # yep, very handy for debugging. 17.46.34 Nick dwihno|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 17.46.42 # I'm dwihno! Hello! 18.02.23 Join merwin- [0] (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 18.04.29 Quit alkorr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.07.17 Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|cycling (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 18.08.02 Quit Snorlax ("gittar ny!") 18.08.24 Join Dexter [0] (~Dexter@Mix-Pointe-a-Pitre-105-1-134.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.09.12 # * adi|home yawns 18.10.58 # I think it looked better on the player icons when ? wasn't displayed for unknown files 18.11.06 # morning adi 18.11.13 Nick merwin- is now known as merwin (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 18.11.20 # adi|home: i agree wit hyou 18.14.49 # hmm? 18.14.52 # about what? 18.18.42 Part Dexter 18.19.18 # the yawn 18.19.20 # definately 18.19.26 # ahh.. okay :) 18.19.57 # adi|home: so what do you think... does it look better with or without the ? being displayed for unknown file types 18.20.16 # how do you mean? 18.21.06 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 18.22.22 # "Young 18.22.22 # Ambitious Hebrew Owner Operators.""YAHOO" 18.22.29 # err 18.22.30 # , "Young 18.22.30 # Ambitious Hebrew Owner Operators.""YAHOO", 18.22.38 # damn outlook :P 18.22.57 # LinusN: I think that the unknown file types looked better without the ? 18.23.32 # what do we use now? 18.24.33 # adi|home: I implemented player icons for the tree last night... we use a ? next to unknown file types... i think displaying no icon is better for unknown icons. I didn't think that last night, but i do now :) 18.25.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.25.46 # hmmm... 18.25.51 # well i prefer the '?' 18.25.53 # i think.. 18.26.15 # adi|home: it's easier to tell which are handled filetypes if no icon is displayed, personally 18.26.26 # adi|home: that was Linus' opinion last night 18.26.49 # * adi|home shrugs 18.26.52 # heh 18.26.59 # im not really going to have odd files so :) 18.27.19 # merwin: i agree. unknown files could be better without an icon 18.27.19 # adi|home: mine have some mixed-in files 18.27.37 # LinusN: who added the display of ? then? 18.27.59 # you did :-) 18.28.17 # LinusN: in your first implementation you didn't have it 18.28.21 # then this morning it's in 18.28.24 # that was a bug 18.28.44 # LinusN: mind if i take it out? 18.28.51 # not at all 18.29.01 Quit edx|off (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.29.02 # * merwin likes rolo's 18.29.11 # i hope you're not talking about the simulator 18.29.22 # LinusN: player 18.29.33 # hmmm.. 18.29.36 # well.. 18.29.37 # cause the simulator puts a ? in front of every file 18.29.40 # my recorder right now 18.29.46 # displays nothing for unknown files 18.29.50 # and it looks odd.. 18.29.50 # since the icons aren't implemented in the simulator 18.29.54 # id rather see the ? 18.30.31 # i'd rather have icons on files that rockbox understands, and no icon on the other files 18.30.40 # easy to distinguish 18.31.08 # i guess my main issue is that no other gui display does that 18.31.19 # windows/linux both display a default icon for a file they don't know 18.31.21 # on a gui 18.31.29 # adi|home: no other gui has a 2 line display though :) 18.32.05 # but if we do/don't do a '?' on the player, it should be done the same on the recorder as well... 18.32.34 # oooooo rolo is in? 18.32.38 # adi|home: yuppers 18.32.40 # it sure is! 18.32.40 # ooooo.. how do i make it work? 18.32.43 # and it ROCKS!!!!! 18.32.48 # adi|home: select a file in the browser 18.32.51 # adi|home: that's it :) 18.32.55 # SWEET!!!!! 18.32.57 # turn off the mp3/m3u filter 18.33.08 # but once i go archos firmware.. how can i get back? 18.33.16 # then select any .mod/.ajz file 18.33.17 # rebooting? 18.33.20 # reboot 18.33.31 # okay. gonna test :) 18.33.45 # LinusN: hmm... It won't let me reload the archos.mod file... says "File Not Found" 18.34.23 # whats with the funny looking 'X' Icon? 18.34.24 # LinusN: nevermind 18.34.34 # adi|home: it's the 5x7 for eXecutable 18.34.44 # ahh.. hmmmm 18.34.46 # adi|home: if you can draw up a better 5x7 for it, be my guest 18.34.50 # dunno if i like it :) 18.34.57 # have to think about it a while :) 18.35.23 # all right.. so im at the firmware i want to load... 18.35.23 # there should be three file modes available? mp3/m3u mp3/m3u/rockbox files and all 18.35.30 # its called "ajbrec.ajz.archos" 18.35.31 # dwihno: agreed 18.35.33 # how do i load it? 18.35.43 # adi|home: you have to call it ajbrec_archos.ajz 18.35.45 # it has to end in ajz 18.35.49 # ahh.. okay... 18.35.50 # or mod for the player 18.37.12 # SO FUCKING COOl!!!! 18.37.17 # * adi|home grins at rolo 18.37.27 # adi|home: i agree! 18.38.24 # im soooo inlove with this 18.38.35 # and i loved that CmdrTaco stopped in yesterday :) 18.39.08 # CmdrTaco? 18.39.18 # oh.. has anyone had any word the short stop of files? 18.39.29 # ie file stop after 2 mins on a 4 min song? 18.39.36 # adi|home: ? 18.39.36 # CmdrTaco, founder of /. 18.39.42 # what is /. 18.39.58 # http://slashdot.org/ 18.40.02 # ahhhh 18.40.09 # merwin: are you sure that the character position is cleared before not outputting an icon? 18.40.09 # I missed CmdrTaco? 18.40.14 # nods 18.40.22 # LinusN: yeah. 18.40.28 # ok 18.40.58 # LinusN: I did notice with the wps, that the line isn't cleared before redrawing it... so if you have a variable length line that isn't using the full screen it'll leave characters behind sometimes 18.41.34 # did you fix it? 18.41.37 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/irc/rockbox-20020902.log time stop: 22.28.47 18.41.40 # check that merwin 18.41.59 # LinusN: not yet, i'm packing for a flight 18.42.03 # So no one else has their files stop mid song and move to the next song? 18.42.14 # adi|home: not anymore 18.42.19 # adi|home: I used to, about a week ago 18.42.59 # i was getting it last night driving back up... 18.43.06 # and that was the build from sat night 18.44.16 # tacoboy is funny :P 18.44.31 # nods 18.44.36 # adi|home: hmm... i haven't gotten it. Is your spindown set to above 3 seconds? 18.45.59 # hmm.. not sure.. let me check 18.46.28 # * merwin now has the ability to rolo into 1.1, 1.2, or 1.3 :) 18.46.40 # yeah.. 5 seconds 18.46.46 # should i lower it to < 3? 18.46.56 # adi|home: hmm.... well, i'll let you know if it's happening to me 18.47.02 # adi|home: no, needs to be above 3 18.47.03 # and why would that do it? 18.47.13 # adi|home: being below 3 is causing serious problems 18.47.21 # got ya... 18.47.26 # adi|home: i've got a monster flight today in a couple hours, i'll let you know if i get it 18.47.49 # ohhh intersting 18.47.54 # im in the spindown menu 18.47.58 # i plug in usb 18.48.03 # and i don't switch to usb mode 18.48.04 # adi|home: that happens in all menus 18.48.11 # adi|home: i noticed the same thing last friday 18.48.17 # thats not good is it? 18.48.24 # adi|home: doesn't hurt anything :) 18.48.36 # right.. but is it what we want? 18.49.07 # adi|home: no, we need it 18.49.17 # adi|home: i was just too lazy to fix it on the flight 18.51.14 # gotta go, cu guys! 18.51.16 # heh, load up 1.1 sometime and see the difference 18.51.19 # ttyl linus 18.51.24 Part LinusN 18.52.16 # Zagor is Cycling, huh? 18.58.08 # OK, time to get ready for Chicago.... ttyl 18.58.11 Nick merwin is now known as merwin|packing (~merwin@12.242.185.10) 19.01.00 Quit quelsaruk ("Aplicación Saliendo") 19.08.23 Join Norrin [0] (~JSmith123@p3E9BDB56.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.12.00 Join gizz [0] (gizz@lyon-1-a7-62-147-19-51.dial.proxad.net) 19.12.20 Part Norrin 19.20.06 Quit gizz () 19.22.17 Quit hardeep ("Leaving") 19.25.02 Quit matsl|out (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.29.47 Nick elinenbe is now known as elinenbe|out (trilluser@user-0cceh8k.cable.mindspring.com) 19.32.19 Join quelsaruk [0] (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 19.32.31 # hi 19.33.37 # howdy 19.37.06 Quit merwin|packing () 19.43.55 Join man3l [0] (manel@213-97-29-157.uc.nombres.ttd.es) 19.51.37 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EABA06.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.11.37 # hi edx 20.16.13 # hi 20.21.23 # i swear to god.. we have reached the 'some users need to be LART'd' stage 20.22.53 # LART'd' stage? 20.24.22 # [L]use [A]ttitude [R]eadjustment [T]ool 20.24.31 # they need to be beaten over the head with a large hard object 20.24.43 # luser rather 20.25.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.25.47 # why do you say that adi|home? 20.26.26 # ppl still saying 'why is there a 400 file limit in the directories?' 20.26.44 # and 'wouldn't it be cool if you could develope for " 20.26.51 # basically.. RTFM's folks 20.26.58 # check the faq, and the mailing list 20.27.00 # * adi|home sighs 20.27.05 # adi: the problem is more new people are finding out about Rockbox, so they do not know about the past. 20.27.20 # hehe 20.27.33 # but now there is a good faq 20.27.45 # no.. the problem is the same one every project faces 20.27.54 # users _not_ reading available material before asking questions 20.28.02 # immediate gratifications 20.28.27 # 'i know i should read X document.. but i don't want to.. so will you do the work by just answering my question for me?' 20.29.01 Nick Zagor|cycling is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 20.29.27 # hey zagor 20.29.34 # yo 20.29.34 # hi Zagor 20.29.48 # didnt we have a response to ppl wanting use to develop for other hardware somewherE? 20.29.53 # the multimedia archos.. 20.29.58 # i know we had something about it 20.30.08 # umm, we had. maybe it was never added to the faq. 20.30.16 # the short answer is "maybe later" 20.30.44 # the long answer is... longer :-D 20.36.46 # now _thats_ an original question 20.36.59 # is there any sun driver dev for the usb etc... 20.37.08 Nick seb-away is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 20.44.59 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p508D98AB.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.45.12 # hi 20.45.14 # the rolo is nive 20.45.16 # nice 20.45.20 # but you have to turn off mp3/m3u filter 20.45.22 # that suxx 20.46.51 # has nobody tried my new quick-set screens? not a single comment... 20.50.04 # adi|home: new entry in the FAQ: "Why only 400 files" 20.57.22 # quick set screens ? 20.57.48 # hold F2 or F3 and you get to toggle things like shuffle, status bar, scroll bar etc. 20.58.04 # mp3/m3u filter could be one of these toggles 20.58.08 # ahh 20.58.10 # very good 20.58.17 # how can i do a custom WPS ? 20.58.27 # i always read about it 20.58.39 # but it dont know what it does ? 20.58.43 # create a file called *.wps and press PLAY on it 20.58.45 # and how i activated it 20.59.01 # hmm 20.59.06 # do you have demo files ? 20.59.13 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html 21.00.22 # whaa 21.00.24 # QUICKSET ROCK 21.00.32 # for shuffel 21.00.37 # its perfect ! 21.00.54 # yeah, I thought you'd like it :-) 21.01.20 # very nice 21.01.22 # bt 21.01.23 # but 21.01.24 # i'll add m3u filter to the F2 screen 21.01.37 # i still waiting for the posing feature 21.01.43 # posing? 21.01.47 # yes 21.01.51 # my HD size 21.01.59 # ah 21.01.59 # in info screen 21.02.02 # :) 21.02.22 # hehe. that will come pretty soon, actually. not free space at first, but disk size 21.02.32 # hehe 21.02.36 # that is enough 21.02.38 # :) 21.02.39 # :) 21.03.41 # hey 21.03.48 # if there is no id3 tag 21.03.58 # fill %ia : ID3 Artist 21.04.02 # with 21.04.07 # the filename 21.04.12 # all before a "-" 21.04.22 # and %it : ID3 Track Title 21.04.32 # with all after "-" 21.04.35 # in filename 21.04.59 # ahh 21.05.03 # there is a conditional 21.05.04 # so 21.05.10 # yup 21.05.12 # just include 2 additional tags 21.05.42 # %fp : filename till a " - " 21.06.11 # %fa : all of filename after a " - " 21.06.18 # would rock 21.06.31 # but trim the strings 21.07.12 # don't ask. code. :-) 21.07.21 # hehe 21.07.24 # i cant :) 21.07.30 # iam a java g33k 21.08.47 # java is not so different from c. you'll learn in no time. 21.08.59 # yes 21.09.20 # ok 21.09.29 # in which file do i find the wps stuff ? 21.09.36 # wps-display.c 21.09.45 # apps/wps-display.c 21.13.16 # is the mp3 jumping fixed ? 21.15.15 # it's improved, but we still get it sometimes 21.15.38 # do you know, why this happend ? 21.15.43 # happens ? 21.15.49 # i will test it 21.16.04 # it has something to do with multithreaded access to the ata driver 21.16.13 # there's a bug somewhere in there we haven't found yet 21.17.19 # Zagor.. wtf should we put the 400 question in the FAQ.. let them read the fucking release notes.. 21.18.06 # where are the games gone ? 21.18.08 # adi|home: the notes that *that* the limits exists. I want a FAQ to point them to about *why* 21.18.16 # grrrr.. 21.18.17 # TotMacher: apps/recorder 21.18.18 # okay fine... 21.18.20 # but i don't like it 21.18.37 # adi|home: neither do I. but I like even less to explain it 100 times... 21.21.07 # okay.. adding.. but i do it under protest 21.21.17 # and an extra smattering of sarcasm for spite ;) 21.21.23 # :-) 21.21.39 # ohhhh i can fix the rolo question too :)_ 21.24.10 Quit dwihno (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.25.39 Join dwihno [0] (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 21.29.15 # Zagor: am i correct that the 10000 limit is for basically the same reason as the 200 limit? 21.29.27 # yes 21.29.30 # k 21.30.01 # but the 10k is not as fixed. as bigger disks arrive, I can imagine raising that 21.30.09 # nods 21.30.17 # but >400 files per dir is silly, no matter how big your disk is 21.30.23 # nods 21.32.25 # bye! 21.32.46 Quit quelsaruk ("Aplicación Saliendo") 21.35.03 # arg 21.35.08 # it begins not to scroll 21.35.10 # the wps 21.35.12 # tags 21.35.22 # you need to put a %s on the line that should scroll 21.35.34 # ah 21.35.38 # soory :) 21.36.46 # why does it not automatic detect that it should scroll ? 21.36.51 # hehe 21.36.52 # ok 21.36.55 # i know the answer 21.36.58 # :-) 21.37.00 # "begin to code" 21.37.17 # no, it's because several lines can need to scroll but only one line is allowed 21.37.35 # ahh 21.37.56 # why can there only one scrolling line ? 21.38.00 # that is very strange 21.38.27 # because it's written that way :-) 21.38.40 # hehe 21.40.48 # I want multiline scroooll! :) 21.40.56 # And some ice cream, please fetch me some, Zagor :) 21.40.57 # yeah :) 21.41.02 # YEAH! 21.41.02 # :) 21.41.11 # Yum. Ice cream! 21.41.21 # ICE CREAM 21.41.29 # It's kickass! 21.41.40 # Plain vanilla ice cream with some fudge sauce :)~~~ 21.41.52 # faq updated.. opinions please 21.41.55 # Zagor: We MUST have ice cream on the DevCon! :D 21.41.56 # multiline scroll icecream ! 21.42.06 # Yea, multiline scroll icecream! 21.42.18 Nick man3l is now known as manel (manel@213-97-29-157.uc.nombres.ttd.es) 21.42.19 # Zagor: could you reload the webversion of FAQ? 21.42.49 # Zagor: I really like the new options on the recorder 21.42.56 # Zagor: Just one ? though. 21.43.07 # shoot 21.43.22 # adi|home: will do 21.43.28 # oh.. Zagor.. should we doc somewhere that you can build the firmware w/o games and ss if you wish? 21.43.28 # why is the last line always that sucking Time: XX/YY 21.43.56 # w/o games is more buffer ? 21.43.59 # TotMacher: that is sucky! 21.44.17 # how do i kill that line ? 21.44.21 # Zagor: first, that is somewhere where once loadable fonts are default, it should not use them 21.44.38 # Patch the source, send the diff to Zagor, and he'll sync it if you are a good boy. 21.44.49 # Converting the file to CRLF will also make Zagor happy ;) 21.45.02 # Zagor: secondly, I was going implement screen down/ screen up in the tree browser with F2-down or F2-up 21.45.09 # TotMacher: i'll fix that Real Soon Now 21.45.13 # Zagor: but now, that is impossible 21.45.17 # ui, thx 21.45.39 # elinenbe|out: yes. I'm planning F1 for that, but we have a problem reading Fx+UP 21.46.18 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 21.46.22 # TotMacher: w/o games just loads the firmware faster is all 21.46.26 # hey LinusN 21.46.32 # do those 400-files people ever get tired? 21.46.38 # linus.. we now have a 400/10000 quesiton in the faq to shut ppl up 21.46.45 # i saw it 21.46.50 # yeah, games suck 21.46.51 # so 21.46.51 # Zagor: roger that. 21.47.10 # its a nice feature, but how plays games on jukebox !?! 21.47.15 # Zagor, LinusN i was thinking... 21.47.21 # regarding the games/ss's 21.47.21 # I got the stop son start next song bug today 21.47.25 # s/son/song 21.47.29 # TotMacher: a lot of people play games on it 21.47.31 # would it make sense to have a 'bare bones' version ont he website 21.47.35 # hehe 21.47.36 # no games or ss 21.47.41 # no big press about it.. 21.47.41 # it was about 40 seconds into a song, and just started the next song in the list 21.47.52 # just that its another choice for those that don't have a cross compiler 21.48.05 # adi|home: not much sense, really. i calculated the buffer gain to ~4s yesterday 21.48.06 # yeah.. elinenbe|out i got it yesterday 21.48.15 Nick elinenbe|out is now known as elinenbe (trilluser@user-0cceh8k.cable.mindspring.com) 21.48.22 # right.. but does the firmware load faster w/o the games etc? 21.48.28 # no 21.48.31 # okay.. 21.48.33 # elinenbe|out: yeah, i think we still have a bug in the ata driver 21.48.43 # so we leave it in there for ppl that want it.. but no press.. cool with me :) 21.48.53 # :-) 21.49.22 # talk about games... I am nearly done with my minesweeper clone :) 21.49.31 # c00l 21.49.33 # nice 21.49.59 # it is very sharp looking... with multiple difficulties :) 21.50.02 # IMHO 21.50.36 # brb.. laundry 21.51.37 # that is about all I can program... simple games :( 21.52.42 # elinenbe: I want a breakout! :-) 21.53.40 # Zagor: I can do that... without sin and cosin too! 21.54.03 # cool. that'd seriously rock. 21.54.24 # you really do not need sin and cosin in breakout -- you just need deltax and deltay 21.55.07 # (and cool levels) 21.55.13 # (+gfx) 21.55.27 # well, that is true. It would be nice for some grayscale 21.55.49 # Zagor: I want grayscale! NOW! 21.56.09 # adi|home: A50 could contain something in the lines of "No you don't. You need to organise your files. Your laziness is not a very good reason for us to change our software." and a hint about the fact that shuffling many songs is best handled by a playlist 21.56.15 # or color. 256 colors.^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^ 16 bit color 21.56.52 # Zagor: i don't think it's that polite to call people lazy because they have many files in a dir 21.59.13 # true. i'm just annoyed. 21.59.22 # * dwihno hands Zagor some vanilla icecream 21.59.41 # I'll do a game for rockbox 21.59.45 # "icecream" 21.59.56 # A51 is a but too rude, IMHO :-) 22.00.06 # personally, i don't mind increasing the file buffer size a little, but how much is enough? :-( 22.00.24 # sooner or later we will meet the 1000-file guy! 22.00.25 # we will never get enough, that's why I'm against it 22.00.40 # 98% of people were happy with the 200 limit too 22.01.03 # 256 bytes of memory consumed per file in a dir, right? 22.01.08 # no 22.01.11 # dwihno: no, it's less now 22.01.12 # * dwihno is fully satisfied with 200 22.01.31 # now we try to fill the buffer as much as we can 22.01.47 Nick edx is now known as edx|jogging (~edx@pD9EABA06.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.01.50 # there's a thing I was thinking about 22.01.57 # actually, i think we should lower the average file name length a little 22.02.13 # http://sourceforge.net/top/mostactive.php?type=week 22.02.17 # when skipping a number of tracks, the loading time for each track is quite high, how come? 22.02.21 Nick edx|jogging is now known as edx (~edx@pD9EABA06.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.02.21 # it may be better to run out of space before hitting the numfiles limit 22.02.40 # dwihno: how lon gis your ata spindown timeout? 22.03.14 # I have a directory with 219 files, and I think that is quite huge. I have no ide what is in there. 22.03.40 # LinusN: 5 secs 22.03.50 # ok, try raising it a little 22.03.58 # and see if the track loads faster 22.04.02 # 10? 22.04.03 # do you use a playlist? 22.04.31 # plailists take longer when next-ing 22.04.32 # should it really matter since the introduction of in-memory playlists of the dirs? 22.04.54 # we still need to read the playlist file 22.04.59 # if it's a playlist and not in-dir 22.05.00 Nick edx is now known as edx|jogging (~edx@pD9EABA06.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.05.01 # file-based playlists take longer 22.07.06 # LinusN: why can't we have an advance options menu where the user can set the max directory buffer and stuff like that. 22.07.28 # so if someone has a shitload of files in their directory, then it can be set to be bigger. 22.07.31 # because it's more complicated to code 22.07.41 # printf("hello\n"); 22.07.42 # but yes, why not? 22.07.44 # you can use that ;) 22.07.50 # a config file in .rockbox/ 22.07.51 # http://dw.lahma.net/hello.avi 22.07.56 Join Miran [0] (~dani@collcott.demon.co.uk) 22.08.25 # Hey, Is that Rolo loader, built into the lastest build? 22.08.30 # but the buffer handling would have to change a lot 22.08.33 # yes it is 22.08.43 # and it rocks! 22.08.46 # sometimes the pain of coding is worth much much more than the pain of idiots 22.08.53 # elinenbe: true 22.08.59 # excuse my ignorance, but how do you use it? 22.09.15 # 1) turn off the mp3/m3u file filter 22.09.29 # elinenbe: that would mean rebuffering everything in runtime. nothing is worth that pain. 22.09.32 # 2) Look up the .mod/.ajz file in the dir browser and play it 22.09.34 # rolo was cool 22.09.49 # Ah, I see 22.10.01 # Zagor: if we have it in .rockbox, it would only be adjusted at startup 22.10.02 # 1.24-something fills the entire screen with black and nothing happens 22.10.07 # I guess it loads what you want as default 22.10.14 # LinusN: "only"? 22.10.18 # :-) 22.10.30 # i mean the rebuffering would not be an issue 22.10.40 # i reiterate. it is only a handfull of people rehashing this issue. let it die. 22.14.22 # LinusN: in .rockbox is a good idea ;) 22.14.43 # okay zagor.. faq fixed for #50 22.14.51 # im going to let 51 stew for a bit 22.15.08 # :-) 22.15.09 # im annoyed by all the 'im too lazy to read the docs, can you do the work for me and just answer my question' questions... 22.15.17 # elinenbe: still it's quite much work to do it 22.15.22 # LinusN: Fx+UP would be very nice... :-) 22.15.29 # "Can i ask a question?" 22.15.29 # LinusN: I understant 22.15.36 # "No... fuck off." 22.15.39 # was version 1 22.15.43 # Zagor: i am working on a solution 22.15.45 # #51 is the more toned down version 22.15.50 # LinusN: I also agree with Zagor on this one -- pageup/down in the screen would be nice. 22.16.23 # LinusN: Now that I can load the archos firmware as I choose, I notice how much faster they are able to scroll their tree view. How do you think this is accomplished 22.16.47 # maybe they have a faster key repeat? 22.17.10 # it is not a performance issue 22.17.35 # at least i don't think so 22.17.36 # i ment to ask.. was there a reason none of the menus wrap? 22.17.42 # they have key repeat acceleration 22.17.42 # yes 22.17.49 # adi|home: yes 22.17.58 # nobody made them wrap :-) 22.18.21 # there was a patch on the mailing list for menu-wrap a while back 22.18.29 # maybe I will check it out. 22.18.40 # Zagor: have you thought of a key repeat acceleration solution? 22.18.52 # just to try it out 22.18.56 # that would be nce. 22.19.04 # what file is key-repeat delay in? 22.19.11 # button.c 22.19.30 # ok 22.19.45 # i have been thinking about it, because I too think ours is too slow 22.19.58 # but it has not surfaced on top of the todo list yet :-) 22.20.00 # how about increasing speed of the repeat? 22.20.11 # we can try 22.21.13 # LinusN: do it! ;) 22.22.03 # i'm not able to right now... 22.22.13 # LinusN: i am just kidding 22.25.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.26.18 # I'm adding "Sort case" and "dir filter" toggles to the F2 quickset screen 22.26.48 # F2 quickset screen is a cool addition to WPS! 22.26.59 # Three yays for the QSS! YAY YAY YAY! :D 22.27.03 # dwihno: it's not only wps. the dir browser has it too. 22.27.05 # * dwihno loves abbreviations 22.27.10 # mkay 22.27.38 # it just lives in wps.c for now :-) 22.27.51 # :O 22.27.56 # I can't allow that! 22.28.04 # * dwihno sounds the siren! Where's the code police?! 22.28.05 # :-) 22.33.08 # is sort case important ? 22.33.18 # some people think so 22.33.35 # i think that is a option for the ass 22.33.37 # :) 22.33.46 # maybe not important enough to have in the quickset screen, but we can always change that later 22.33.52 # jupp 22.33.54 # but 22.34.05 # then the people whine: "why did you removed it" 22.34.06 # so 22.34.07 # :) 22.34.09 # heh 22.34.24 # haha 22.34.36 # Zagor the almighty 22.34.41 # I think sort case is useless too. 22.34.46 # a good point, actually 22.34.53 # too many changes confuse the users 22.34.57 # yes 22.35.17 # how far away is disk writing? 22.35.24 # 5 kilometres? 22.35.42 # how far is sort by date ? 22.35.43 # :) 22.35.57 # dwihno: it's a bit off still 22.36.23 Nick edx|jogging is now known as edx|sleep (~edx@pD9EABA06.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.36.25 # Zagor: I think rockbox is excellent right now... Some buffer issues occurs every now and then, but I don't know how to reproduce it yet. 22.37.08 # you should name the mp3/m3u filter into File Filter and do not filter out .ajz and .wps files 22.37.20 # ya 22.37.27 # .ajz and wps are your friend 22.37.32 # hehe yes :) 22.37.36 # and .txt - a simple txt viewer would be neato 22.38.00 # that bar thingy in the file list is neato btw! :D it kicks mucho arse! 22.38.32 # I think 1.4 will be the greatest release 22.38.50 # yes, the bar rox 22.39.25 # TotMacher: no, the filter stays. it's for those who only want to use the mp3 features 22.39.46 # but those never have .ajz and .wps files :) 22.39.47 # if we include all supported file types, the filter will be pointless 22.39.59 # Zagor: is propfonts default nowadays? 22.40.00 # they will always have at least one ajz file 22.40.03 # dwihno: no 22.40.14 # ok, but that will always be named ajbrec.ajz 22.40.15 # we will enable loadables directly 22.40.23 # sounds good to me 22.40.29 # TotMacher: filter switch is quickset now, so it's not a problem 22.40.35 # ok 22.40.41 # Zagor: has the current (fixed) font been converted yet? 22.41.21 # dwihno: no 22.41.58 # damn 22.42.00 # I hate windows 22.42.09 # I pressed ctrl-w to erase the last word 22.42.16 # it closed the window 22.42.18 # stupid windows 22.42.36 # * dwihno plays some solitaire to mend his soul 22.44.11 # is loadable fonts included yet ? 22.44.29 # I think it's ifdef:able 22.44.40 # TotMacher: yes but not enabled by default. they are not finished. 22.44.44 # ok 22.45.14 # Reminds me, I need to finish the conversion of the propfont 22.45.23 # Damn, so many things, so little time! :( 22.45.45 # dwihno: you don't say? ;) 22.46.16 # Zagor: Yeah, and with my shitty job I always get 110% tired when I come home so I don't have the energy to do anything productive! 22.48.26 # I was on job interview today for a systemtekniker job 22.48.43 # They said they wanted me on their coding department instead :/ I got confused 22.56.10 # did you mention rockbox? 22.57.25 # no 22.57.26 # how come? 22.57.42 # should I've done that? 22.57.49 # just curious. they might be impressed... :-) 22.57.51 # heh 22.57.59 # Well, I haven't done anything really useful yet 22.59.08 Join Snorlax [0] (lamamba_@h135n1fls34o883.telia.com) 22.59.08 # yeah.. but they don't know that dwihno ;) 22.59.13 # besides.. its experiance 22.59.46 # anything new on Mike Dirnt(bassist in Green DAy who has a jukebox recorder) =) 22.59.58 # probably rockbox! 23.00.00 # hehe 23.00.14 # "Mike Dirnt also rocks his box!" 23.00.25 # Snorlax: no, but CmdrTaco was here yesterday giving "mad props to the development team" 23.00.26 # DirNT sounds like some two-window file management program 23.00.33 # Zagor: mad props? 23.00.39 # proppa saltgurka! 23.00.50 # * dwihno gives Zagor some saltgurkasmörgås with leverpastej 23.00.59 # i guess it 23.01.07 # 's some kind of compliment :-) 23.01.15 # anyway, gotta go. see you tomorrow guys! 23.01.23 # Yum, I want taco's 23.01.25 Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") 23.01.42 # and none of that hard corn shells... real bread :)¨¨ 23.01.47 # yum! 23.01.50 # Give me TACOS! 23.01.55 # Anybody wants a taco? 23.02.07 # * Snorlax fills a waterbalon with leverpatej and trows it MITTI PLANETEN on dwinho! 23.02.22 # leverpastej är världens grej ;D 23.02.36 # hmm.. just noticed that scolling seems weird on the dir listing... 23.02.38 # leverpastej is a very funny word! 23.02.45 # =) 23.02.48 # shaleh: :(((((((( i wanna use some win fonts on *term 23.03.01 # shaleh: is there any _unofficial_ way to use them? 23.03.17 # with wrap around on dir listing... 23.03.27 # when you reach the 'bottom' you auto jump the listing to the top... 23.03.28 # sorry? 23.03.33 # with full screen listing 23.03.36 # seems odd to do that 23.04.32 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.11.53 Part LinusN 23.14.58 # happens in playback too 23.15.23 # which is a bad thing if only for purposes of power saving 23.29.33 Quit Snorlax ("gittar ny!") 23.32.24 Quit datazone-work ("I like core dumps") 23.35.42 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@AMontsouris-108-1-17-230.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.35.53 # helllllllllo 23.37.06 # Hey i have a question ... what does f2 do in the latest build (recorder) ? 23.40.07 # anybody ? 23.40.27 # CVS? 23.40.41 # f2? 23.40.48 # if you hold it it lists the shift menu 23.40.53 # ie what you can hit when you hold it 23.40.56 # Well, it toggles the QSS (quickset screen) 23.41.20 # nods 23.41.32 # which is a kick ass feature btw 23.41.47 # in the recorder ? 23.41.52 # ya 23.41.56 # strange when i press it it does nothing !! 23.41.57 # it's a kick ass feature indeed! 23.42.08 # BoD[]: You got the absolutely latest CVS stuff? 23.42.24 # well i took the nighly build 23.42.46 # what version do you need 23.42.50 # ill give you a new build 23.43.00 # recorder :) 23.43.14 # k.. 23.43.18 # updating.. 1 min 23.43.45 # man i like this cd 23.43.54 # which CD? 23.44.31 # avril levigne, Let go 23.44.38 # hmm 23.44.46 # Never heard of :) 23.44.53 # shes new 23.44.57 # skater punk chick 23.45.00 # Gotta catch some sleep, I got to get up tomorrow too :( 23.45.01 # 18.. hot as all sin 23.45.04 # but its a good cd 23.45.06 # surprised me 23.45.09 # nite mate 23.45.12 # I need to check her pics ;D 23.45.31 # Bod do you want games? 23.45.45 # well of course :) 23.45.48 # http://www.rock-n-radio.com/images/avril.jpg 23.45.49 # screensavers? 23.45.51 # cute chick 23.45.55 # nods 23.45.59 # screensavers are pretty useless right now 23.46.01 # something about her is soooo fuckable 23.46.04 # i still not have checkedc the new game by the way ! 23.46.13 # yes please, too :) 23.46.24 # loadable font support? 23.47.12 # put everything on ;) 23.47.33 # k 23.49.01 # buffer size: 400k ;) 23.49.22 # erm, with Rolo... how do you change back to the original firmware? 23.49.50 # you can only do that if the new firmware has a loader too 23.50.02 # Ah 23.50.09 # there in is the problem 23.50.26 # so I have to rename the files in order to return to the original? 23.50.48 # no.. 23.50.50 # just reboot 23.51.10 # ah I get it, explains why its not working 23.51.16 # I'm charging 23.52.35 Nick dwihno is now known as dwihno|gone (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 23.52.45 # thank you very much adi !!!!! 23.52.51 # np 23.53.00 # it just the default build 23.53.03 # no fonts etc 23.53.33 # all right 23.53.45 # i'm gonna test it right now 23.57.41 # hmmmmm 23.57.50 # very strange 23.58.11 # is it a work in progress ? 23.58.19 # (the f2 shift thing) 23.58.43 # no.. 23.58.49 # just press it and hold it..