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06.40.02 #       <dwihno|gone> edx: Did you try out the new font loading stuff?
06.43.08 #       <edx> dwihno: nope
06.43.22 #       <dwihno|gone> hmm, I'm rather curious :)
06.43.38 #       <edx> how can I use it?
06.43.42 #       <dwihno|gone> dunno
06.44.08 #       <edx> i'll try when i get back from school this afternoon :)
06.44.27 #       <dwihno|gone> system.fnt is the font it loads from disk
06.45.57 #       <dwihno|gone> but obviousley you need perl to convert the bdf's :/
06.47.02 #       <dwihno|gone> hmm
06.47.07 #       <dwihno|gone> I better get ready for work *sigh*
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08.12.04 #       <Bagder> hi mats
08.12.08 #       <matsl> Hi 
08.16.08 #       <Bagder> this new font stuff sure make things break ;-)
08.17.07 #       <matsl> Is it 1.4 release time when that is fixed?
08.17.20 #       <Bagder> might be
08.18.12 #       <matsl> I just got the feeling things are getting stable. Not so much activity.
08.19.15 #       <Bagder> well, we still have fat writing left to add ;-)
08.20.20 #       <matsl> I was talking about 1.4. Fat writing isn't scheduled for that is it.
08.20.29 #       <Bagder> the roadmap says so
08.20.41 #       <Bagder> not that we must follow it
08.21.21 #       <matsl> Custom WPS seems to me a good reason to relase 1.4.
08.22.47 #       <Bagder> yes I agree
08.24.09 #       <matsl> Bagder: What's the story "We didn't quite like that 12x16 font for the Player sim"
08.24.56 #       <Bagder> 1) it doesn't look like the player font 2) it is a different size which makes lcd_define_pattern() harder to simulate
08.25.38 #       <matsl> ok
08.28.02 #       <Bagder> 3) it didn't have all the glyphs that the player font has
08.28.37 #       <matsl> ok, ok!
08.28.57 #       <Bagder> :-)
08.29.30 #       <matsl> The size wasn't that bad though
08.29.53 #       <Bagder> no, I liked have the letters a bit bigger than we had before
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08.30.24 #       <matsl> Are you working on the simulator now?
08.31.16 #       <Bagder> no
08.31.33 #       <Bagder> I'm applying Greg patches
08.32.31 #       <matsl> ok. I was amazed how much you could do when you where out there but now I see why ;-)
08.33.01 #       <Bagder> *g*
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08.41.43 #       <Bagder> asch
08.49.47 #       <adi|home> when you were out where?
08.50.03 #       <Bagder> at work I guess
08.50.17 #       <adi|home> hehehe
08.50.18 #       <Bagder> my contract ended this week
08.50.27 #       <Bagder> so I'm now "free" ;-)
08.50.28 #       <adi|home> ahhh
08.50.37 #       <Bagder> which means more time for rockbox
08.50.37 #       <adi|home> no no.. now your 'unemployed'
08.50.42 #       <adi|home> welcome to the club ;)
08.50.47 #       <Bagder> I'm still employed
08.50.54 #       <Bagder> I just don't do anything ;-)
08.51.08 #       <adi|home> hehehe
08.51.14 #       <adi|home> voting ends this weekend huh?
08.51.17 #       <adi|home> how do we stand?
08.51.27 #       <Bagder> its about the same
08.51.35 #       <Bagder> 6, 23 and 24
08.52.57 #       <adi|home> bye bye chartables, you have served us well
08.52.58 #       <adi|home> lol
08.53.01 #       <adi|home> i love it
08.53.06 #       <Bagder> :-)
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09.03.16 #       <Bagder> oooh, we're on green again
09.13.55 #       <langhaarrocker> Do I see that right that there are principially two ways to register something "thread-like:"
09.13.55 #       <langhaarrocker> 1.) create_thread
09.13.55 #       <langhaarrocker> 2.) tick_add_task
09.14.13 #       <langhaarrocker> Or is tick_add_task a nono
09.14.19 #       <Bagder> it is
09.14.34 #       <Bagder> create_thread() is the way to create threads
09.16.03 #       <langhaarrocker> Is the stack for other things than for saving the thread status?
09.16.57 #       <Bagder> well, all the local variables and return addresses etc too of course
09.18.41 #       <langhaarrocker> Does that mean that if I know exaclty how big my stack is (including all locals) when calling yield() that this is the size I should make the stack?
09.19.34 #       <Bagder> yes
09.19.54 #       <Bagder> there's a stack size view in the debug menu too
09.20.03 #       <Bagder> that displays how much stack percentage is used
09.20.11 #       <Bagder> so you can tweak it a bit later
09.20.24 #       <langhaarrocker> Since yesterday I have a slight clue what it might be for :)
09.20.41 #       <Bagder> :-)
09.21.51 #       <langhaarrocker> Assuming I don't use recursions: are there other things that might make the stack size unpredictable?
09.23.03 #       <Bagder> nope
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09.23.35 #       <Bagder> hey quelsaruk
09.23.42 #       <langhaarrocker> Is there any priority concept?
09.23.43 #       <quelsaruk> hi
09.23.46 #       <Hes> Good morning
09.23.56 #       <Bagder> langhaarrocker: no, they're all just round robin
09.23.58 #       <quelsaruk> good morning
09.24.09 #       <Hes> I think my skipping problem is solved now!
09.24.13 #       <Bagder> Hes: cool!
09.24.29 #       <Hes> with the relaxed sleeping and timeout set at 5 seconds it didn't skip at all yesterday
09.25.07 #       <Hes> if the weather's all right, i'll drive some 1000 km during the weekend
09.25.13 #       <Hes> that should tell for sure 8-)
09.25.17 #       <Bagder> hehe
09.25.44 #       <langhaarrocker> Hes: What kind of batteries do you use ;)
09.26.14 #       <Hes> have the stock 1500 mAh set and another 1800 mAh set
09.27.54 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: one question, where's the build_playlist function defined? i can't find it"
09.28.26 #       <Bagder> find . -name "*.c" | xargs grep build_playlist
09.28.33 #       <Bagder> ./tree.c:static int build_playlist(int start_index)
09.29.07 #       <quelsaruk> argg.. i looked at tree.c yesterday night
09.29.22 #       <quelsaruk> i suppose i was very tired :)
09.29.24 #       <quelsaruk> thx
09.32.40 #       <quelsaruk> time to work
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09.32.48 #       <quel|out> see you later
09.33.10 #       <Bagder> we have the .lang file format set now
09.33.15 #       <Bagder> mail follows soon
09.35.46 #       <PsycoXul> you know what i think'd be cool for the t-shirts... the rock logo from 23 on the breast pocket area and then 24 large on the back
09.35.58 #       <PsycoXul> or something
09.35.59 #       <PsycoXul> heh
09.36.24 #       <adi|home> my back hurts _so_ much...
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09.36.53 #       <langhaarrocker> wrong girlfrien?
09.38.04 #       <adi|home> heheh 
09.38.08 #       <adi|home> i wish
09.38.13 #       <adi|home> nah.. hurt my back in college playing soccer
09.38.20 #       <adi|home> acts up on and off...
09.38.32 #       <adi|home> generally when i start playing a sport that uses muscles diff...
09.38.43 #       <adi|home> ie: switching bowling -> softball -> soccer etc
09.38.55 #       <adi|home> and someday.. sex with the wife ;)
09.41.50 #       <langhaarrocker> I don't do sports ...
09.41.59 #       <quel|out> Bagder: really?
09.42.12 #       <quel|out> maybe work can wait :)
09.42.30 #       <adi|home> ive done sports as long as i can remember...
09.43.19 #       <Bagder> quel|out: I've even started on the support scripts
09.44.19 #       <quel|out> Bagder: that's great, sorry i cant' help you this days, i have a lot of things to do... and too few free time to spend
09.44.26 #       <langhaarrocker> Is anybody working on a volume peak meter for the statusbar / wps=
09.44.45 #       <Bagder> quel|out: well, I'm sure we'll work it out and you can help out when you get time
09.45.04 #       <quel|out> :)
09.45.44 #       <langhaarrocker> Is there any desire for a volume meter in status bar / wps?
09.46.13 #       <Bagder> I don't know
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09.53.36 #       <Hes> I did that a while back 
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09.54.26 #       <Hes> didn't get acceptable performance, but with the current iram & dram & lcd update rect enhancements it might work out okay
09.54.35 #       <Hes> it was very easy to do
09.55.28 #       <PsycoXul> so when is rockbox getting support for some kinda journalling filesystem or something? :p
09.55.50 #       <Hes> hah
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10.02.11 #       <langhaarrocker> Hes: I did a thread based approach yesterday and it has good performance.
10.02.32 #       <langhaarrocker> But it's still very dirty.
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10.11.24 #       <langhaarrocker> I thought of a 8 pixel high, 2 pixel wide (l/r)level meter in the status bar and later a horizontal level meter in the wps in a width the user can specify in the wps config files.
10.13.16 #       <LinusN> langhaarrocker: a good idea, i have had the same thing in mind
10.16.11 #       <langhaarrocker> Another idea that came up is: use the volume setting icon with some magical xor for level. 
10.16.11 #       <langhaarrocker> Or mix it: when you have low volume setting the level meter would be displayed at the right, if very high volume setting have the volume meter xored at the left.
10.18.47 #       <LinusN> i have no idea what you're talking about
10.18.55 #       <LinusN> player?
10.19.32 #       <LinusN> now i understand
10.19.38 #       <langhaarrocker> I have no player.
10.20.13 #       <langhaarrocker> probably some characters had to be defined on the fly.
10.21.53 #       <langhaarrocker> And I won't write code to simulate the volume reading from MAS! :)
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10.24.23 #       <langhaarrocker> Do you think it's worth to include the Osci-demo in the cvs? 
10.25.15 #       <Zagor> i'll take a look at it soon
10.25.37 #       <langhaarrocker> poor Zagor: Seems you're very busy.
10.27.03 #       <LinusN> langhaarrocker: there is no easy way of getting a quasi-peak from the MAS3507D
10.27.40 #       <langhaarrocker> :(
10.29.58 #       <langhaarrocker> Does archos provide a peak meter on the player? 
10.29.58 #       <langhaarrocker> * flame suit on* 
10.29.58 #       <langhaarrocker> I don't have that looser toy ...
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10.31.31 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: no they don't
10.33.36 #       <langhaarrocker> Thus I'd say: Maybe someone else (owning a player) should bother with the player vol meter later and I'll do the thing for the recorder anyway.
10.35.30 #       <Zagor> yup
10.39.11 #       <LinusN> the default font on the recorder is tiny
10.39.32 #       <Zagor> yup. we must find a better one.
10.40.13 #       <quel|out> tiny?
10.40.42 #       <LinusN> Zagor: how do i build my own font?
10.40.48 #       <quel|out> i thought it was big :)
10.40.52 #       <LinusN> i tried bdf2fnt but i barfed on me
10.41.04 #       <LinusN> it barfed on me
10.41.27 #       <LinusN> quel|out: you haven't tried the latest build have you?
10.41.32 #       <quel|out> no
10.41.38 #       <Zagor> there was a problem with that yesterday. i'll see if I have better luck.
10.42.16 #       <quel|out> LinusN: i have no battery on my recorder, and the charger is at home.. but i'll try it this afternoon
10.43.05 #       <quel|out> did you change the font size?
10.43.32 #       <LinusN> the whole font system is changed
10.43.40 #       <LinusN> loadable fonts
10.43.47 #       <LinusN> proportional
10.43.53 #       <Zagor> LinusN: I can't get it working either. ask bagder.
10.45.04 #       <mecraw12> Is backtracking through the mersenne twister possible?
10.45.21 #       <LinusN> mecraw12: it should be
10.45.30 #       <LinusN> but it is a silly way of doing it
10.45.44 #       <LinusN> i assume you talk about the playlist entry number thing
10.45.50 #       <mecraw12> better than keeping a second array around of indexes?
10.45.57 #       <mecraw12> yes
10.46.22 #       <LinusN> i'd rather have an extra array than a complicated backward random number monster function :-)
10.47.06 #       <Zagor> i don't think i've really understood the point in knowing the original playlist position
10.47.15 #       <mecraw12> that would take up 4*10000 bytes though, right?
10.47.28 #       <Zagor> 2*10000 would be enough
10.47.48 #       <LinusN> more than the whole dir buffer :-)
10.48.02 #       <Zagor> exactly
10.48.04 #       <mecraw12> Zagor: There really is no point, but sometimes I'm just curious about where in the playlist I am.
10.48.13 #       <LinusN> Zagor: the reason is obvious
10.48.45 #       <LinusN> you have a playlist of a complete album
10.48.56 #       <LinusN> in track order, and you scramble it
10.49.26 #       <mecraw12> just use the id3->tracknum then
10.49.33 #       <Zagor> %in
10.49.37 #       <LinusN> and if that is wrong?
10.49.55 #       <Zagor> then your data is bad. should we spend ram because your data is bad?
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10.50.19 #       <LinusN> Zagor: why is the user always wrong?
10.50.26 #       <mecraw12> is anyone working on the id3v2 buffer stuff?
10.50.39 #       <Zagor> i'm just asking if it's worth it. when does one want this feature?
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10.51.00 #       <LinusN> i gave you one (perhaps lame) example
10.51.03 #       <Zagor> LinusN: because writing code to fix user mistakes is damn near impossible
10.51.11 #       <LinusN> mistakes?
10.51.47 #       <LinusN> not all users have perfect rips with complete id3 info
10.51.56 #       <langhaarrocker> Why fix the user when you can have the fix yourself?
10.52.08 #       <langhaarrocker> :)
10.52.59 #       <LinusN> people like rockbox because it is way better than archos in many respects
10.53.04 #       <LinusN> playlist handling is one
10.53.30 #       <LinusN> some people have had to put dummy files in their directories to cure a randimize bug in the stosk firmware
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10.54.15 #       <mecraw12> don't we have that same bug?
10.54.20 #       <Zagor> no
10.54.43 #       <mecraw12> don't we play the selected file first, and then shuffle the rest of the directory?
10.55.06 #       <Zagor> still, I'm not about to spend 20K to simply "cure" missing id3 tracknum entries
10.55.07 #       <LinusN> we do
10.55.21 #       <Zagor> mecraw12: that's not a bug, it's a feature. we worked hard to get that.
10.55.35 #       <mecraw12> i thought that was the "bug" in archos directory shuffle
10.55.43 #       <LinusN> aha, so *that* was the bug! :-)
10.55.51 #       <LinusN> haha
10.56.07 #       <mecraw12> that's why people put 1 second blank mp3s in a directory
10.56.18 #       <LinusN> so we might want to have an option for that
10.56.40 #       <mecraw12> actually, i think it would play the first song in a playlist before shuffling, too (which we don't do)
10.57.15 #       <LinusN> or just say "hey, you should put a blank file first in your dir. All people should have that!"
10.57.39 #       * LinusN is grumpy today
10.57.50 #       <mecraw12> it's been almost 3 months since i've use archos firmware... too long to remember, i've put those awful days behind me :)
10.58.23 #       <mecraw12> 20k = ~1 second of playtime?
10.58.36 #       <LinusN> on 320kbit/s
10.58.50 #       <LinusN> :-)
10.58.53 #       <langhaarrocker> oh. HiFi silence!
10.59.21 #       <LinusN> actually, i have another solution that doesn't eat any memory at all
10.59.28 #       <Zagor> LinusN: shoot
10.59.37 #       * mecraw12 awaits anxiously
10.59.51 #       <LinusN> but it will make the 10000 file limit permanent
11.00.10 #       <mecraw12> high bit/low bits?
11.00.15 #       <LinusN> yup
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11.00.51 #       <LinusN> and it limits the size of the playlist file
11.01.00 #       <LinusN> so i don't really like that solution
11.01.12 #       <Zagor> what solution?
11.01.50 #       <LinusN> using the high 14 bits for "original index"
11.01.58 #       <Zagor> ah
11.02.21 #       <mecraw12> who put in the mersenne twister?
11.02.42 #       <LinusN> but it is lame, because the playlist file size is limited to 256Kb
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11.03.20 #       <Zagor> mecraw12: i added it, but I got the code from someone else. can't remember how now...
11.03.28 #       <LinusN> hadaka?
11.03.33 #       <Zagor> could be
11.03.53 #       <mecraw12> i should whip out my number theory books, and actually read them this time
11.04.14 #       <Zagor> hehe
11.04.37 #       <LinusN> we can use the same buffer for playlist entries and original index
11.05.10 #       <LinusN> then we can keep the original index if the playlist is smaller than 5000 files
11.05.49 #       <LinusN> a simple solution
11.06.18 #       <Zagor> is it ever useful for playlists comprising more than one dir?
11.06.49 #       <mecraw12> if you know your playlists well, it could be
11.07.12 #       <Zagor> useful or just fun?
11.07.21 #       <LinusN> just fun, i guess
11.07.33 #       <LinusN> but it may be nice to track down bad entries in the playlist
11.07.50 #       <LinusN> frezzes and stuff
11.07.52 #       <Zagor> using the number???
11.07.55 #       <LinusN> freezes
11.07.58 #       <Zagor> you know the filename
11.08.23 #       <LinusN> maybe not
11.08.30 #       <LinusN> it depends on the WPS info
11.08.30 #       <mecraw12> and as soon as Zagor finishes fat write, we can just dump them to a file :D
11.08.59 #       <Zagor> too many ifs and maybes imho
11.09.09 #       <LinusN> Zagor: you're the boss
11.09.18 #       <Zagor> i'll accept your <5000 solution, if it's simple and elegant
11.09.43 #       <LinusN> you mean "show me the code"? :-)
11.09.45 #       <adi|home> what is a mersenne twister?
11.09.48 #       <Zagor> hehe
11.09.56 #       <Zagor> adi|home: our random algorithm
11.09.57 #       <LinusN> adi|home: a random number generator algorithm
11.09.59 #       <adi|home> got ya
11.10.08 #       <mecraw12> mersenne was chubby checkers cousin
11.10.20 #       * LinusN writes that down
11.13.16 #       <mecraw12> quelsaruk: any luck with repeat on/off?
11.13.44 #       <quelsaruk> i'm starting at it right now
11.14.19 #       <quelsaruk> i hope to have some good news today
11.14.36 #       <quelsaruk> :)
11.14.51 #       <langhaarrocker> will that include repeat 1 song?
11.15.07 #       <quelsaruk> for now it wil only include no  repeat
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11.15.40 #       <quelsaruk> but of course once that work i could study that possibility
11.16.27 #       <quelsaruk> but it is better to go step by step :)
11.16.39 #       <langhaarrocker> _please_ (falling down on my knees, begging) do!
11.19.01 #       <LinusN> and i want repat-1-song with shuffle!!!! :-)
11.19.18 #       <mecraw12> Zagor: does "make set_option() wrap" mean that in a menu if i keep pressing up an option will go from "yes" to "no" to "yes" to "no" etc.?
11.19.23 #       <langhaarrocker> LinusN: Great idea!
11.19.27 #       <Zagor> mecraw12: yes
11.19.59 #       <quelsaruk> jajajajaja
11.20.07 #       <mecraw12> Zagor: ok, just trying to find things in the TODO that I can handle :)
11.20.26 #       <Zagor> hehe
11.21.40 #       <mecraw12> five hours until my first meeting... better get some sleep
11.21.42 #       <mecraw12> g'night
11.21.44 #       <Zagor> LinusN: do you know if there's a problem detecting BUTTON_ON | BUTTON_PLAY | BUTTON_REL ?
11.22.41 #       <Zagor> also, pitch percent goes the wrong way. mpeg_set_pitch(10) gets me 10% slower playback
11.23.32 #       <Zagor> (forgot PLAY in RELEASE_MASK)
11.24.16 #       <LinusN> Zagor: no, that should work
11.24.42 #       <LinusN> but maybe button_play and button_rel will be in a separate event
11.25.06 #       <LinusN> Zagor: it does?
11.25.09 #       <LinusN> then i am silly
11.25.14 #       <LinusN> i fix
11.26.19 #       <LinusN> fixed
11.26.28 #       <Zagor> good
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11.35.23 #       <langhaarrocker> A thread that updates peak volumes in the status bar and in the wps - does that belong in an existing source file or should I create a new one for that? Where would that new file be?
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11.38.37 #       <LinusN> if you really need such a thread it would probably be in apps/
11.39.11 #       <langhaarrocker> If not as a thread the thing would become unusable slow. Ask Hes.
11.39.48 #       <LinusN> why would it be slow?
11.40.40 #       <langhaarrocker> I tried it and it seems that the status bar is updated not often enough. The value read doesn't match with what you hear.
11.41.05 #       <langhaarrocker> Then I did a quick dirty hack to try with a thread. Now it works super.
11.41.30 #       <LinusN> you mean only update a part of the status bar?
11.41.39 #       <langhaarrocker> yes
11.41.42 #       <LinusN> nasty
11.41.46 #       <langhaarrocker> yes
11.42.17 #       <LinusN> i'm not sure i like that
11.42.29 #       <LinusN> i mean, the status bar is controlled by the status bar code
11.43.00 #       <LinusN> doesn't it clear that area when updating?
11.43.57 #       <langhaarrocker> I don't like it either. But I'd put the updating part into the status bar code and just make the thread use that code.
11.44.30 #       <LinusN> that would at least make it a little bit more koscher
11.45.14 #       <langhaarrocker> I don't think it's a good idea to make the status bar update more often just to get a fluent read out of volume. Thus we need a separate controller that handles updating volume read out only.
11.45.40 #       <LinusN> i agree, thats why i wouldn't put it in the status bar in the first place :-)
11.46.08 #       <langhaarrocker> Then there's the same problem with WPS.
11.46.14 #       <LinusN> how do you make room for the peak meters?
11.46.41 #       <LinusN> but i can imagine that it looks cool in the status bar
11.46.57 #       <langhaarrocker> Momentarily I introduced some space after the volume setting display in status.h
11.47.07 #       <langhaarrocker> But it's just a study yet.
11.47.43 #       <langhaarrocker> It's only two pixel wide (+ spacer)
11.48.00 #       <LinusN> what is there to the right of the dice?
11.48.52 #       <langhaarrocker> lock symbol
11.49.49 #       <langhaarrocker> and then the time
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11.51.51 #       <LinusN> langhaarrocker: aha
11.52.01 #       <LinusN> we must find a way to squeeze it in there
11.52.58 #       <langhaarrocker> As I said: It might be possible to combine the peak read out with the volume setting symbol
11.53.14 #       <LinusN> and if you have max volume?
11.53.33 #       <langhaarrocker> Put the thing to the left of the symbol with xor
11.53.52 #       <LinusN> sounds ugly
11.54.50 #       <langhaarrocker> But now whith new font handling we might be able to use a appropriate font so that we have those 4 pixels space available in the status bar.
11.55.10 #       <langhaarrocker> (font for time display)
11.55.22 #       <LinusN> i don't think we will be using a font that small
11.55.50 #       <Schnueff> time display is rather large atm
11.55.53 #       <LinusN> maybe we will...
11.56.08 #       <LinusN> i was looking at my propfonts recorder
11.56.15 #       <LinusN> and there is room with that one
11.56.22 #       <langhaarrocker> I momentarily have a propfont build and there's enough space.
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12.05.34 #       <LinusN> yo Bagder
12.05.40 #       <Bagder> hey
12.05.45 #       <LinusN> bdf2fnt barfs on me
12.06.17 #       <Zagor> me too
12.06.41 #       <LinusN> /tmp/5x8.c:13: invalid suffix on integer constant
12.08.10 #       <Bagder> try renaming the font to not start with a digit
12.08.37 #       <LinusN> doh!
12.09.36 #       <Bagder> did it work?
12.09.51 #       <LinusN> yup
12.09.56 #       <Zagor> i have a font: pixelette.bdf. never works.
12.10.05 #       <LinusN> but it crashes when i boot
12.10.13 #       <LinusN> cpuadrerr
12.10.26 #       <Zagor> tried atari-small.bdf too, also barfs
12.12.30 #       <LinusN> can i load a font dynamically?
12.12.44 #       <Bagder> no
12.13.09 #       <Hes> hm, quality 8-)
12.13.23 #       * Hes makes a mental note not to update from CVS for a week
12.13.47 #       <Hes> now that I have a non-skipping and well-working version 8-)
12.13.57 #       <LinusN> chicken
12.14.00 #       <Bagder> we can't have that! ;-)
12.14.07 #       <Hes> with the relaxed sleeping and timeout set at 5 seconds it didn't skip at all yesterday
12.14.15 #       <Hes> if the weather's all right, i'll drive some 1000 km during the weekend
12.14.24 #       <Zagor> Hes: goodie. sounds like that was the culprit then.
12.14.25 #       <Hes> that should tell for sure if it works 8-)
12.15.40 #       <LinusN> Zagor: the relaxed sleeping solves it, but i think it is a mutex related problem
12.15.40 #       <Hes> Thank you for the ATA work, I appreciate it very much
12.15.55 #       <LinusN> the relaxing just masks it
12.16.07 #       <Zagor> LinusN: yes, i agree
12.16.36 #       <Hes> so you're going to unmask and break it again? 8-)
12.16.42 #       <Hes> fine with me 8-)
12.16.58 #       <LinusN> only on builds downloaded from Finland
12.17.07 #       <Hes> okay, fair enough
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12.18.06 #       <LinusN> Bagder: rotate_font_bits crashes
12.18.26 #       <Bagder> so?
12.18.29 #       <Bagder> fix!
12.19.50 #       <Zagor> Bagder: will you have time to smooth things out with the new font code? tools/configure, the Makefiles etc?
12.19.58 #       <Bagder> those are fixed
12.20.13 #       <RipnetUK> do loadable fonts work now? ive compiled the latest CVS, but if I try and load a .fnt file, nothing happens... 
12.20.20 #       <Zagor> ok, is there any docs how to actually build fonts?
12.20.38 #       <Bagder> no
12.21.20 #       <RipnetUK> no fonts dont work, or no docs :-O
12.21.23 #       <Bagder> but for starters, you can play with the already existing ones
12.21.46 #       <Bagder> well the bugs need to be fixed of course
12.22.03 #       <Zagor> RipnetUK: we're in an unstable status right now. give us a few days.
12.22.09 #       <RipnetUK> ok
12.22.16 #       <Hadaka> I'm here!
12.23.12 #       <Zagor> Hadaka: it was nothing important. we we're just trying to remember who contributed the mersenne twister code
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12.25.55 #       * Bagder reads another mail from Africa
12.26.02 #       <Bagder> I like this part:
12.26.17 #       <Bagder> "I got your contact address from the Girl who operates the computer."
12.26.19 #       <Bagder> ;-)
12.26.23 #       <Zagor> hehe
12.26.31 #       <LinusN> (gdb) p pf->offset[i]
12.26.33 #       <Hadaka> ah
12.26.37 #       <LinusN> $17 = 0x18000000
12.26.40 #       <LinusN> ouch
12.26.50 #       <Zagor> LinusN: where is that?
12.27.03 #       <LinusN> rotate_font_bits
12.27.04 #       <Hadaka> I really need to open up and fix my archos :(
12.27.06 #       <Zagor> ah
12.27.09 #       <Hadaka> too bad I'm busy as hell :(
12.28.05 #       <Zagor> Bagder: did you make a new bug table using the xml parser you wrote?
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12.28.22 #       <Bagder> Zagor: it isn't done yet
12.28.30 #       <Zagor> ok
12.28.32 #       <Bagder> I have so many half-done things ;-)
12.28.46 #       <Bagder> the .lang spec and scripts too
12.29.19 #       <Zagor> right
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12.39.39 #       <Zagor> pitch rocks
12.39.59 #       <Zagor> +20% == instant smurf hits
12.40.04 #       <Bagder> hehe
12.42.17 #       <Zagor> brings back memories of vinyl records
12.42.46 #       <Zagor> woops, at %63 the box hung
12.43.13 #       <Schnueff> + ?
12.43.47 #       <Zagor> Schnueff: upcoming feature, playback pitch
12.43.57 #       <Schnueff> at +63% the box hung?
12.44.03 #       <Zagor> anything above +60% is just noise
12.44.13 #       <Zagor> and at 63-64 it hangs
12.44.18 #       <Schnueff> maybe samplerate is 16bit only?
12.46.02 #       <Zagor> negative pitch works fine to -100%, but it doesn't do what I expected
12.46.25 #       <Bagder> Zagor: we should make a "fonts page" on the site, to allow people to download .fnt fonts
12.46.28 #       <Zagor> -100% is more like 25% of original speed
12.46.31 #       <Zagor> Bagder: yes
12.46.33 #       <Schnueff> question: is any of the fonts from rockbox-fonts.tar.gz proportional?
12.47.31 #       <Bagder> I tried a few of them and they weren't
12.47.58 #       <Schnueff> hm maybe times
12.48.18 #       <Zagor> -100% is actually half speed
12.48.49 #       <Schnueff> ah that was my question yesterday
12.49.46 #       <Schnueff> badger: timR08.bdf seems to be propertional
12.49.51 #       <Schnueff> proportional even
12.50.05 #       <Bagder> goodie
12.50.18 #       <Schnueff> eh w8
12.50.48 #       <Schnueff> yeah looks like that
12.51.59 #       <Schnueff> uh but it won't load
12.52.04 #       <Schnueff> Font /system.fnt too large: 9000
12.52.18 #       <Schnueff> (in simulator)
12.52.44 #       <Bagder> timR08.fnt is?
12.53.04 #       <Schnueff> eh i copied timR08.bdf to system.fnt  .. no good :)
12.53.18 #       <Schnueff> badger: yes
12.53.28 #       <Bagder> hehe
12.53.41 #       <Bagder> right, because its 5676 bytes in my dir ;-)
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13.00.21 #       <Bagder> timR08 looks pretty nice
13.01.09 #       <Bagder> Zagor: is there any scroll patch that still is suitable now?
13.01.49 #       <Bagder> bug: the resume screen doesn't use the correct font
13.01.59 #       <Zagor> i'm not sure. look in my pm1:patch/old dir.
13.02.10 #       <Zagor> neither does the boot logo version
13.02.28 #       <Bagder> but the boot logo appears before the disk stuff is inited ;-)
13.02.42 #       <Zagor> yeah, but it should then use the compiled-in
13.02.57 #       <Bagder> ? it does
13.03.03 #       <Bagder> there's only one built-in
13.03.26 #       <Zagor> well, I only get garbage
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13.03.46 #       <Zagor> choosing menu->version looks ok, but not at boot
13.03.48 #       <Bagder> ok
13.03.57 #       <Zagor> (and I don't load a font)
13.04.08 #       <elinenbe> with latest CVS, I get I09:CPUAdrEr
13.04.10 #       <elinenbe> at
13.04.20 #       <elinenbe> 09010394
13.05.06 #       <elinenbe> that is only with a system.fnt in /
13.05.27 #       <Bagder> I think the gdb'ers need to dig a little on that one
13.05.31 #       <Bagder> it works in the sim
13.06.01 #       <elinenbe> what font are you using?
13.06.11 #       <Bagder> timR08 right now
13.06.22 #       <Bagder> a bit biggish, but looks awesome
13.07.20 #       <elinenbe> I am trying that font out now.
13.07.42 #       <elinenbe> this time it loads, but everything is completly garbled
13.08.28 #       <elinenbe> nothing is legible, and each letter is a "box"
13.08.56 #       <Bagder> there's something wrong in the font load code on target
13.09.51 #       <Zagor> http://rockbox.haxx.se/fonts/ created
13.09.51 #       <elinenbe> ah...
13.10.34 #       <elinenbe> that is where I pulled the font from.  Are these the same that were sent out to the mailing list a few days ago?
13.10.52 #       <Zagor> yes
13.11.59 #       <LinusN|lunch> Bagder: maybe it's an endian thing
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13.12.15 #       <Bagder> could be
13.12.28 #       <elinenbe> I don't know... seems the recorder 6k is always having problems :)
13.15.27 #       <Bagder> Zagor: can you make that dir writable for me too?
13.15.34 #       <Bagder> helvR08.fnt coming up
13.15.54 #       <Zagor> Bagder: sure
13.16.00 #       <Bagder> it shows that there's something wrong with the height of the font conversions
13.16.36 #       <Bagder> there
13.16.51 #       <Bagder> I made it use max 255 letters
13.17.06 #       <Zagor> good
13.17.24 #       <LinusN> i think we should try to find a good 8859-1 font as the default font
13.17.28 #       <Zagor> yup
13.17.31 #       <Bagder> oh yes
13.17.48 #       <LinusN> the current defaut sucks even more than the last proportional one :-)
13.17.55 #       <Bagder> hehe
13.18.40 #       <Zagor> Bagder: try some of the fonts in the test/ dir I just created
13.19.09 #       <Bagder> ogha
13.19.18 #       <Bagder> what kind of stuff is pixelette?
13.19.25 #       <Zagor> a nice font :-)
13.19.36 #       <Bagder> in colour?
13.19.45 #       <Zagor> i don't think so
13.20.09 #       <Bagder> ah, no
13.20.16 #       <Bagder> they're just super-big
13.20.23 #       <Zagor> oh, ok
13.20.40 #       <Bagder> BBX 40 6 0 0
13.20.41 #       <Bagder> !
13.20.46 #       <Zagor> !!!
13.20.49 #       <Schnueff> hm bdf2fnt doesnt work on all fonts
13.20.53 #       <Zagor> it's not that big for real
13.21.19 #       <Schnueff> got 3 out of 7 while doing a batch conversion
13.24.13 #       <LinusN> why all these typedefs in the font code?
13.24.42 #       <LinusN> and typedef'ing pointers???
13.25.05 #       <Zagor> booo!
13.25.07 #       <LinusN> yuck!
13.25.25 #       * Zagor is getting sloppy :)
13.25.42 #       <LinusN> not my definition of clean and easy code
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13.30.00 #       <LinusN> the PMWCFONT is my favourite silly typedef
13.33.53 #       <LinusN> i think the fonts should be stored in big-endian format
13.34.07 #       <LinusN> no need for lots of endian conversions in the target
13.34.19 #       <Bagder> true
13.34.26 #       <LinusN> the target is the main platform
13.34.38 #       <Bagder> and the converter might run on any-endian machines too
13.34.52 #       <Bagder> I mean it still needs to do right
13.34.55 #       <LinusN> true
13.35.55 #       <LinusN> what is the "default character code in font"?
13.36.05 #       <LinusN> font.h
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13.36.33 #       <Bagder> it's what it uses if one doesn't exist
13.36.39 #       <LinusN> aha
13.36.50 #       <Bagder> like we used ? before
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13.39.45 #       <LinusN> hehe, i can't see the need for 32-bit values for firstchar, defaultchar and numchars
13.40.24 #       <Bagder> I guess not
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13.47.50 #       <LinusN> i just took the timR08.fnt from the site and i just shows garbage
13.48.10 #       <Bagder> on target, right?
13.48.14 #       <LinusN> of course
13.48.19 #       <Bagder> works in sim
13.48.32 #       <LinusN> you haven't tested on tagret at all?
13.48.36 #       <Bagder> I have
13.48.43 #       <Bagder> but not the new rotate stuff
13.48.56 #       <LinusN> but you committed it anyway?
13.49.02 #       <Bagder> yes
13.49.26 #       <Bagder> I don't want to sit on this myself
13.49.26 #       <LinusN> you really should test on target first
13.49.29 #       <Bagder> no
13.49.32 #       <Bagder> I disagree
13.49.37 #       <Bagder> since I'm only the middle man here
13.49.49 #       <Zagor> relax. we knew the new font code would mean some shaky days
13.49.52 #       <LinusN> i understand
13.49.55 #       <Bagder> yes
13.50.29 #       <Bagder> LinusN: so where did it crash before on target?
13.50.41 #       <LinusN> in the rotate function
13.50.54 #       <LinusN> the font structure seems corrupt
13.52.20 #       <Bagder> hm
13.52.28 #       <Bagder> I think the rotating is doing some bad assumptions
13.53.27 #       <Bagder> check line 175 in font.c
13.53.42 #       <Bagder> and then line 192
13.53.56 #       <Bagder> it just can't be using the same number of bytes
13.57.14 #       <Bagder> hm
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14.05.52 #       <Zagor> LinusN: the pitch percent isn't really truthful. -100% is a 50% slowdown
14.06.04 #       <LinusN> perhaps
14.06.23 #       <LinusN> -100% means writing 0MHz in the oscillator frequency register
14.06.32 #       <LinusN> god knows how the MAS handles that
14.06.37 #       <Zagor> hehe
14.07.06 #       <LinusN> we can't make any assumptions on how the MAS handles that register at all
14.07.25 #       <LinusN> the percent is just the difference in the frequency setting
14.07.36 #       <LinusN> what else can we doo?
14.09.28 #       <Zagor> i don't know
14.10.37 #       <Zagor> I could simply display half the value I set. that seems to be fairly accurate.
14.11.45 #       <Zagor> no, that's wrong too. bah.
14.11.56 #       <Zagor> i'll just check this in and let people argue about it :-)
14.12.17 #       <Bagder> "buy why is there a -100% limit?" ;-)
14.12.29 #       * Bagder prepares the crew
14.13.48 #       <Zagor> i'll limit up-speed to 60% since anything above that is just noise
14.16.23 #       <Zagor> at high bitrate it starts skipping when you raise the pitch too much, too. ah well, it's a feature that pushes the envelope so we'll just live with a few glitches in it
14.18.00 #       <pimlottc> linus - did you get a chance to look at the slidebar?
14.18.10 #       <LinusN> i never got it
14.18.36 #       <pimlottc> huh.
14.19.51 #       <Zagor> hmm, -100 is half the speed and +50% is twice the speed
14.20.38 #       <LinusN> but is it linear?
14.20.58 #       <Zagor> i think so
14.21.07 #       <LinusN> ok, then we can adjust it
14.21.29 #       <LinusN> we set the milits to +/- 50%
14.21.31 #       <LinusN> limits
14.21.35 #       <Zagor> yes
14.21.39 #       <pimlottc> linux@cool.haxx.se right?
14.21.41 #       <pimlottc> er linus
14.21.42 #       <LinusN> and double the negatiuve ones
14.21.52 #       <LinusN> wrong, wrong, wrong
14.21.58 #       <LinusN> linus at haxx.se
14.22.14 #       <Zagor> LinusN: umm, wait
14.23.54 #       <Zagor> I know why this happens
14.23.55 #       <LinusN> aren't we able to support more that 16-pixels wide chars?
14.24.27 #       <LinusN> Zagor: why?
14.24.40 #       <Zagor> -100 results in val *= 2
14.24.52 #       <Zagor> i.e. twice the frequency == half the speed
14.25.17 #       <LinusN> i am silly
14.26.02 #       <Zagor> couldn't it simply be: val = 18432*percent/100;
14.26.12 #       <LinusN> i guess
14.26.15 #       <Zagor> i'll try it
14.26.24 #       <pimlottc> linusn - sent
14.26.24 #       <Zagor> then 0-200 range
14.26.46 #       <LinusN> then don't call it percent
14.26.54 #       <Bagder> "index"
14.26.56 #       <Zagor> sure. 100% is normal speed.
14.26.58 #       <LinusN> i am silly again
14.27.05 #       <LinusN> percent is fine
14.27.09 #       <Bagder> right, 100% is normal, that sounds fine
14.27.30 #       * LinusN is often silly nowadays
14.27.41 #       <LinusN> pimlottc: got it
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15.13.24 #       <Zagor> just realized we need a loop feature :-)
15.16.29 #       <LinusN> hehe, for dj:ing?
15.16.32 #       <Zagor> yup
15.16.41 #       <LinusN> and a jog wheel
15.16.56 #       <Zagor> i was browsing DENONs dj gear to see what they call things
15.18.46 #       <Schnueff> but at best we can only loop on mp3 frames, right?
15.19.18 #       <Schnueff> so not down to sample resolution
15.19.18 #       <Zagor> Schnueff: yup. but that's about 25 ms. few djs are faster than that :-)
15.20.27 #       <Schnueff> yeah, but u will never get a loop to match with mp3 frame resolution
15.20.37 #       <Zagor> LinusN: if we don't explicitly tell the MAS the frequency changed, does it never notice? or does it notice, but later?
15.21.08 #       <Zagor> Schnueff: this is not for seamless looping, it's for keeping the music going while syncing the beat.
15.21.18 #       <Schnueff> ok
15.24.35 #       <Zagor> besides, 24ms should be enough to make decent seamless loops too
15.25.08 #       <Schnueff> i'm not sure on that
15.25.29 #       <Zagor> why not?
15.26.19 #       <Schnueff> well maybe
15.26.23 #       <Schnueff> dunno:)
15.26.44 #       <Zagor> take a beat at ~120 bpm. that's 2 beats per second. 24ms is 2.4% of a sec, i.e 4.8% of one beat.
15.28.02 #       <Zagor> anyway, the loop feature is not exactly at the top of my todo list :-)
15.28.10 #       <Schnueff> :)
15.28.48 #       <langhaarrocker> It'll be a subproblem of my idea of a split editor though.
15.29.51 #       <langhaarrocker> But before I' m ready to write that thing I've got to learn a thing or two yet.
15.29.51 #       <langhaarrocker> Where is that *&% SYNC line ?!?
15.30.05 #       <Zagor> hehe
15.31.00 #       <Schnueff> split editor should split up .mp3 ?
15.31.17 #       <langhaarrocker> yes. I want a graphical ui for that.
15.31.49 #       <Schnueff> with MD players splitting songs was always ok
15.32.09 #       <Schnueff> u do playback as usual, then hit a split key
15.32.14 #       <Schnueff> then u can fine tune the splitpoint
15.32.30 #       <LinusN> Zagor: it never notices, as far as i have seen
15.32.33 #       <Schnueff> at a range -128 / +127 frames
15.32.35 #       <Zagor> LinusN: ok
15.32.57 #       <LinusN> it only accepts the values written to those registers if they aren't validated
15.33.01 #       <LinusN> are validated
15.33.29 #       <Zagor> validated?
15.33.43 #       <Zagor> ah, that's what the second write does?
15.33.51 #       <LinusN> by writing the "valid" bit in the config register
15.33.56 #       <Zagor> gotcha
15.34.38 #       <langhaarrocker> Schnueff: But I _WANT_ a graphical editor with an oscillosgramme through which you can navigate.
15.34.39 #       <langhaarrocker> And I 
15.34.39 #       <langhaarrocker> want it to have three loop modes: 
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15.34.39 #       <langhaarrocker> 1.) loop to the split point
15.34.39 #       <langhaarrocker> 2.) loop from the split point
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15.34.39 #       <langhaarrocker> 3.) loop over the split point with a beep at the split point
15.35.19 #       <pimlottc> why would you want to do these things on the archos as opposed to on your pc
15.35.57 #       <pimlottc> just fo fun?
15.36.07 #       <langhaarrocker> Because I record the gigs and practices of my band and on the way home in the train I''ve got time for splitting the 4h take.
15.36.57 #       <Schnueff> ok, MD players only got 2) loop from split point. that's not enough sometimes
15.37.39 #       <LinusN> MP3 files are not easily split without glitches
15.38.05 #       <langhaarrocker> We have to detect frames. Once that is done it should be possible.
15.38.07 #       <pimlottc> I assume the recorder does constant bit rate
15.38.14 #       <langhaarrocker> no
15.38.17 #       <LinusN> the bit reservoir is the problem
15.38.27 #       <langhaarrocker> And the file operations
15.38.31 #       <LinusN> not the frame detection
15.38.38 #       <Schnueff> thats data kept over frames
15.38.39 #       <Schnueff> ?
15.38.43 #       <LinusN> finding frames is easy
15.38.48 #       <pimlottc> linusn - that was what i was working towards
15.39.23 #       <LinusN> even VBR streams use the bit reservoir
15.39.40 #       <LinusN> but the MAS3587F can be told not to use it, for easy splitting
15.39.46 #       <LinusN> the result is bigger files
15.40.13 #       <LinusN> so we can include an "easy splitting" recording option 
15.40.40 #       <langhaarrocker> Nevertheless - if we put effort in splitting we should do as good as we can. 
15.40.59 #       <LinusN> if course, who cares if the first split second of the file is noisy
15.41.20 #       <langhaarrocker> Maybe we will be able to find appropriate split points in spite of  bit reservoirs
15.41.43 #       <langhaarrocker> What really bothers me is the file operations involved.
15.41.50 #       <LinusN> if you split in silent sections it is probably possible
15.42.13 #       <langhaarrocker> On my gigs therte is no such thing as silence :)
15.42.16 #       <LinusN> haha
15.42.41 #       <LinusN> then you won't notice the noisy split pints either :-)
15.42.56 #       <LinusN> time to go home
15.43.01 #       <LinusN> bye all
15.43.10 #       <pimlottc> later
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15.45.52 #       <pimlottc> how many hours is sweden off gmt
15.46.00 #       <Bagder> +2
15.46.09 #       <Bagder> right now, as we're on dst
15.46.31 #       <pimlottc> must.. save.. daylight
15.46.40 #       <Bagder> yes
15.46.53 #       <Bagder> we need that daylight for the winters when we hardly have it at all ;-)
15.47.00 #       <langhaarrocker> what's dst?
15.47.06 #       <Bagder> daylight savings time
15.47.29 #       <Zagor> dst is a silly invention
15.47.37 #       <pimlottc> I never can remember when dst is
15.47.43 #       <langhaarrocker> dst usually is my abbrevaition for destination.
15.47.46 #       <Bagder> in fact, I think we should remain on the dst level always
15.47.50 #       <Zagor> makes 24/7 systems really awkward
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15.48.26 #       * Zagor wrote a power grid supervision system once. the mental scars remain.
15.48.57 #       <langhaarrocker> on the jukebox?
15.49.01 #       <Zagor> lol
15.49.02 #       <Bagder> hahaha
15.50.22 #       <pimlottc> 7 hours diff between me and the swedish instigators
15.50.34 #       <pimlottc> so when I go home everyone is going to sleep
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15.57.50 #       <gizz> hi all
15.58.20 #       <pimlottc> hola
16.10.10 #       <quel|out> hola?
16.10.17 #       <quel|out> jejeje
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16.12.28 #       <quelsaruk> crash...
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16.25.09 #       <Bagder> btw, the boundary checks in lcd_bitmap() are not working properly
16.25.20 #       <Bagder> they work, but they do bad actions
16.26.47 #       <langhaarrocker> btw: I've been to stupid to do optimized draw_v_line / draw_h_line functions.
16.26.58 #       <langhaarrocker> Is there a c operation that shifts in ones?
16.27.03 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: no
16.27.26 #       <Zagor> a = a << 1 | 1;
16.27.39 #       <Zagor> perhaps you need to write: a = (a << 1) | 1; 
16.27.54 #       <langhaarrocker> And if i want to shift in n ones?
16.28.18 #       <langhaarrocker> Stupid me: I could shift in zeros and invert!
16.28.33 #       <langhaarrocker> Boing
16.28.50 #       <Zagor> or: a = (a << n) | (1<<n)-1;
16.29.13 #       <Zagor> but inversion sounds better if that solves your problem
16.29.45 #       <langhaarrocker> I'm still trying to wrap my brain around you line.
16.29.55 #       <quelsaruk> hey! there's a "normal play" icon :) that's nice
16.30.03 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: hehe
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16.30.58 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: first shift the value, then create a 1-mask by shifting up a but n steps. then make the mask all 1:s by decrementing once. 1<<1-1==1, 1<<2-1==3
16.31.48 #       <langhaarrocker> Oh, yes. Now I see. Or better yet: Now I c
16.31.55 #       * Zagor moans
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16.33.03 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: what does moans mean?
16.33.20 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=moan
16.33.33 #       <langhaarrocker> It's like sighing but with more tone in it.
16.33.46 #       <Zagor> "A low, sustained, mournful cry, usually indicative of sorrow or pain"
16.33.56 #       <Zagor> a sound used for bad jokes :-)
16.34.06 #       <quelsaruk> ok
16.34.07 #       <quelsaruk> thx
16.34.22 #       <quelsaruk> i must come next day with my dictionary
16.34.24 #       <quelsaruk> :)
16.34.28 #       <Zagor> hehe
16.34.57 #       <quelsaruk> but i'll make all of you come with an spanish dictionary if you try to understand me!!
16.35.39 #       <quelsaruk> :)
16.35.58 #       * Zagor trembles
16.36.05 #       <Zagor> :*)
16.36.32 #       <langhaarrocker> as long as it's a spanish dictionary and not the spanish inquisition...
16.36.44 #       <langhaarrocker> Come on Zagor: moan once more!
16.36.48 #       <quelsaruk> hahaha
16.37.01 #       <Zagor> was that a joke? ;)
16.37.14 #       <langhaarrocker> And a _really_ bad one!
16.37.20 #       * Schnueff groans.
16.37.22 #       <Schnueff> :)
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16.42.02 #       <quelsaruk> arggg
16.42.13 #       <langhaarrocker> you played wormlet?
16.42.17 #       <quelsaruk> it works for the simulator.. but not at the recorder
16.42.19 #       <quelsaruk> :(
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16.44.38 #       <matp> hi all
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17.08.35 #       <notch> could someone give me the lowdown on how to configure my own wps?
17.09.15 #       <notch> is there a file or soething I can edit>
17.09.19 #       <Zagor> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html
17.09.33 #       <skypher> hehe
17.10.05 #       <notch> thanks... I did try to find it on the website to no avail....
17.10.20 #       <Schnueff> from the FAQ there's a link
17.11.09 #       <notch> ahh, didnt get to number 39 :-)
17.11.37 #       <Schnueff> maybe there should be 'Recent FAQ activity' on the mainpage :))
17.11.43 #       <pimlottc> it's a long faq heh
17.12.10 #       <notch> yep
17.12.28 #       <langhaarrocker> It might be a good idea to link the wps stuff with the manual.
17.13.56 #       <Zagor> it might be a good idea to update the manual on a zillion points
17.14.32 #       <langhaarrocker> Really? I never read manuals anyway...
17.21.22 #       <langhaarrocker> That would be like going to church after reading the bible ...
17.29.22 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: nice patch :)
17.29.35 #       <Zagor> :)
17.29.49 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: doesn't a song playing in 200% pitch, play 50% quicker then the song at 100% pitch?
17.30.00 #       <Zagor> no, 100% quicker
17.30.08 #       <elinenbe> that is what I meant.
17.30.09 #       <Zagor> i.e 2x speed
17.30.24 #       <elinenbe> okay.... so, 1s real song = .5 sec at 200% pitch
17.30.28 #       <Zagor> yes
17.30.30 #       <webbie_> manuals are damn usefull
17.30.59 #       <elinenbe> hmmm.  what George Styles wrote, then is wrong.
17.30.59 #       <elinenbe> On the other idea - adjusting the pitch does not adjust the speed, 1s is
17.30.59 #       <elinenbe> still 1s, just pitch shifted up, so it doesnt actually allow searching
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17.30.59 #       <elinenbe> through the song... sorry if I misunderstook this....
17.31.23 #       <Zagor> we can't do that. we can just fool the MAS to run faster
17.31.42 #       <Zagor> oh, gotya. ok
17.31.56 #       <elinenbe> what I was talking about was when you ff/rw
17.32.40 #       <elinenbe> adjust the pitch (UP) the longer you hold the button until it reaches a max.
17.32.56 #       <elinenbe> and then when you let go of the button, it goes back to normal.
17.33.17 #       <elinenbe> another thing with the pitch.  I think maybe there should be an option to reset it between songs.
17.33.27 #       <langhaarrocker> like skipping every 2nd / 3rd ... mp3 frame?
17.33.50 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: yeah maybe
17.33.51 #       <elinenbe> when I used to DJ, one song is usually not wanted to be played at the same pitch as the next.
17.34.50 #       <Zagor> on the other hand, you won't play two songs from the same unit back-to-back. so you have plenty of time to adjust.
17.36.21 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: agreed.
17.36.38 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: I see your response to my mailing.  thanks.
17.52.40 #       <notch> when trying different fonts - I get I09:CPUAdr Er - known bug?
17.53.22 #       <Zagor> notch: yup
17.53.46 #       <Zagor> the font code is still a bit unstable
17.54.57 #       <notch> Just tried the pitch adj - cool .  Amazing how much 1% changes the pitch.. explains why some tapes sound flat!
17.56.51 #       <Zagor> who's first with a bpm analyzer? ;)
17.57.07 #       <Schnueff> hehe
17.57.16 #       <Schnueff> that's not so easy
17.57.20 #       <Zagor> i know
17.57.41 #       <notch> low pass filter and peak detector.... in how many mips?
17.58.03 #       <Zagor> umm, well, 12 maybe... :-)
17.58.27 #       <Schnueff> better one day use the BPM info from id3v2.4 tags
17.58.40 #       <notch> no problem ;-)
18.04.00 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: what about support for the BPM frame that is sometimes defined as an ID3 v 2.4 tag.
18.04.28 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: Tag&Rename & Helium 2.x have support for this (both windows tag managers)
18.04.59 #       <Zagor> is id3v2.4 standard, or just something some jerks expanded on their own?
18.05.18 #       <Schnueff> no standard
18.05.25 #       <Zagor> i guessed not
18.05.57 #       <Schnueff> 'TBPM' frame
18.06.05 #       <Schnueff> -> http://www.id3.org/id3v2.4.0-frames.txt
18.07.20 #       <langhaarrocker> cygwin users: there surely is a way to change your PATH variable permanenlty. Something like a shell script I assume. Where and how do I do that?
18.07.23 #       <Zagor> well if it's ratified by id3.org it's about as much standard as we can hope for, isn't it?
18.08.21 #       <Schnueff> yes:)
18.08.59 #       <Schnueff> ah, sorry, 'no standard' should have been 'no, it is standard' :)
18.09.17 #       <Schnueff> damn the commas
18.10.10 #       <Zagor> hehe. well then I have no problem with supporting it
18.10.19 #       <Zagor> gotta go
18.10.23 #       <Schnueff> cya
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18.10.44 #       <langhaarrocker> Where do I find the control to adjust the pitch?
18.11.21 #       <Schnueff> in the WPS press ON iirc
18.11.32 #       <Schnueff> (press & hold ON)
18.11.35 #       <langhaarrocker> thx
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18.14.59 #       <langhaarrocker> That's fun.
18.15.00 #       <langhaarrocker> A bug: When you enter the menu from pause mode and hit pause while still pressing on playback will resume but when you leave the menu again the pause icon is still being displayed.
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18.33.54 #       <notch> have ye a good w/e all....
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18.39.56 #       <Schnueff> cu!
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18.40.00 #       * Schnueff .. away for weekend.
18.41.51 #       <skypher> alright, i've placed my order on a archos jukebox 10
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18.54.28 #       <langhaarrocker> how do I detect wether the status bar is being displayed? statusbar in status.h seems to be somehow out of date. 
18.55.45 #       <LinusN> isn't it in global_settings?
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18.58.07 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: GREAT addition with the pitch stuff... now you have really outdone yourself.
18.58.45 #       <LinusN> hehe, actually it wasn't my idea...
18.58.53 #       <LinusN> i can't remember who it was
18.59.17 #       <LinusN> but it worked better than expected
18.59.31 #       <hardeep> bah, that feature's just rubbish considering there are more important issues to be addressed!!
18.59.43 #       <LinusN> but that feature is probably rubbish too... 
18.59.48 #       <LinusN> :-)
19.00.01 #       <hardeep> laf, nice response btw. =)
19.00.31 #       <LinusN> thanks
19.00.41 #       <LinusN> i got so angry!
19.00.57 #       <LinusN> what did the guy think?
19.01.20 #       <LinusN> man, i owe him nothing!
19.01.42 #       <elinenbe> he is a rat bastard.
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19.06.00 #       <LinusN> hehe, nice archive digging, eric
19.07.06 #       <elinenbe> well, he was vocal before, and he was vocla again.
19.14.43 #       <LinusN> i wonder what ticked him off that much
19.14.57 #       <LinusN> people are certainly strange...
19.15.45 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: when are you going to implement stuff that was in the original Archos firmware that is missing from Rockbox??? : recording, make playlists, repeat 1/all -- DAMNIT!  you guys suck!
19.15.57 #       <elinenbe> I kid... I kid... ;)
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19.17.49 #       <LinusN> if we implement the things archos implemented it would be rubbish! :-)
19.17.53 #       <elinenbe> haha
19.18.08 #       <elinenbe> when are you going to make my recorder crash every 10 minutes?
19.18.18 #       <langhaarrocker> in 10 minutes?
19.18.21 #       <elinenbe> why are my playlists not taking 3 hours to load?
19.18.38 #       <elinenbe> why does shuffle play the same song 10 times in a row?
19.18.38 #       <langhaarrocker> Why does the stack of my thread grow?
19.20.01 #       <elinenbe> why is there a true repeat -- I like the repeat to just throw me into the directory!
19.20.16 #       <elinenbe> what?  this battery meter works?
19.21.34 #       <langhaarrocker> What does that mean when I tried to make a thread and all of a sudden I realize its stack can grow. Do we have dynamic memory again?
19.22.59 #       <langhaarrocker> I thought the stack was only for saving registers, local vars and so on. Unless I have a recursion (which I don't  have) from which I would call yield() - how could I possibly make the stack grow?
19.23.38 #       <LinusN> langhaarrocker: when does it happen?
19.24.23 #       <langhaarrocker> I have no clue yet and no clue where to search. The code is still experimental. Where should I start searching?
19.25.29 #       <LinusN> who calls your function?
19.26.07 #       <LinusN> what does the thread do?
19.26.14 #       <LinusN> show me the code! :-)
19.26.43 #       <langhaarrocker> That's a bit difficult: its spread over half a dozen files....
19.27.22 #       <LinusN> ok, you have a function that draws the peak meters?
19.27.34 #       <LinusN> and a thread that calls it?
19.28.00 #       <langhaarrocker> yes. The thread is registered using create_thread
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19.28.30 #       <LinusN> once?
19.28.48 #       <langhaarrocker> yes: from main
19.29.09 #       <langhaarrocker> wait a minute and I'll show you some code.
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19.31.16 #       <langhaarrocker> shall I post a (quite short) code snippet straight here?
19.31.50 #       <LinusN> i have to read a goodnight tale to my son, be back in a few. mail me the source.
19.31.59 #       <langhaarrocker> k
19.32.01 #       <LinusN> linus at haxx.se
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19.45.57 #       <Phantom> We took a big step and converted to an entirely new font system for the Recorder. Please bear with us as we smoothen out the initial quirks. 
19.46.01 #       <Phantom> YOUPI !!
19.56.52 #       <langhaarrocker> I'll be back.
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20.22.56 #       <freshmaker> Hej. I was away a few days. Just compiled a freshly cvsupped rockbox -- and LCD_PROPFONTS is gone?!
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20.26.14 #       <quelsaruk> hi
20.27.07 #       <pimlottc> fonts are ungoing a complete overhaul
20.27.20 #       <pimlottc> er, undergoing
20.27.52 #       <quelsaruk> LinusN: i have some kind of problem, maybe you could help me
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20.30.46 #       <quelsaruk> do you know why i can't change global.settings.loop_playback ??
20.32.08 #       <quelsaruk> if i try to change it at the simulator, it works, but using my recorder.. i can't
20.35.39 #       <freshmaker> pimlottc: yeah, seems like it's getting worse before it's getting better: the new default font on the recorder is uglier than my gandpa's ass
20.36.24 #       <freshmaker> is the old propfont available as bdf or something?
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20.54.06 #       <pimlottc> freshmaker - I don't know, I've a player myself so I don't follow font matters too closely
20.56.08 #       <freshmaker> pimlottc: ok, then i'll have to wait for badger or zagor   (eww! the font conversion script starts with #!/bin/bash)
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23.08.51 #       <Snorlax> is configurable WPS implemented in the newest bulid?
23.09.06 #       <Snorlax> or do u have to enable it in CVS yourself?
23.10.01 #       <Snorlax> anyone?
23.10.58 Nick    seb-away is now known as _seb_ (~goqix@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net)
23.15.04 #       <Snorlax> hallo?!?
23.15.27 #       <Silly_Fly> dunno......
23.16.58 #       <Snorlax> ok, I can't make a folder with the name .rockbox!
23.17.58 #       <Snorlax> weheej I was able to do it in dos though..
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23.27.18 #       <adi|home> config WPS is only in CVS
23.27.23 #       <adi|home> as the roadmap makes it look
23.29.25 #       <dwihno|gone> Hello hello
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23.29.33 #       <dwihno> Now it's (FINALLY) weekend! :D
23.29.34 #       <Silly_Fly> roadmap states recording on 1.4  will it be ready soon??
23.29.59 #       <dwihno> adi: did you test the font stuff?
23.31.32 #       <Snorlax> well I downloaded the newest bulid and made a .rockbox folder and put a file named default.wps there and configured it as I wanted and it works!!
23.31.52 #       <Snorlax> just gotta say that the player progress bar is so SMART!
23.32.57 #       <adi|home> dwihno: nope...
23.33.11 #       <adi|home> hhehe glad you like it snorlax
23.33.13 #       <dwihno> Darn, I wanted to know if propfonts are ok
23.33.31 #       <dwihno> (just as a clearing to continue the conversion of my font)
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23.42.29 #       <PsycoXul> dwihno: it has been indicated previously that the new loadable font support works with either kind
23.42.43 #       <PsycoXul> proportional or not
23.44.35 Nick    _seb_ is now known as seb-away (~goqix@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net)
23.44.37 #       <dwihno> PsycoXul: cute! then I only need to finish the conversion
23.49.44 #       <dwihno> erhm
23.49.46 #       <dwihno> damn pfaedit!
23.49.57 #       <dwihno> I want that glyph to be 3 pixels wide!
23.50.23 #       <TotMach3r> what is the pitch setting ?
23.50.27 #       <TotMach3r> can i pitch my MP3s ?
23.50.29 #       <TotMach3r> now ?
23.50.39 #       <Snorlax> does costume WPS only support ID3v1?
23.53.39 #       <Snorlax> anybody who knows if only ID3v1 is supported?
23.58.48 #       <PsycoXul> id3v2 is supported, but there's some tags that are too big to be handled properly at the moment.. that limitation will be removed in the future though