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04.52.58 #       <huevo5050> hello anybody can send me the new greg font in fnt format?? 
04.53.47 #       <huevo5050> hello?? 
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04.57.57 #       <huevo5050> anybody here???? 
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07.04.57 #       <Zagor> heya
07.05.02 #       <mecraw> howdy
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08.18.08 #       <Bagder> hm
08.21.44 #       <Zagor> hm?
08.22.12 #       * mecraw12 scratches his head
08.22.26 #       <Bagder> I just noted the memcpy edx added
08.22.32 #       <Bagder> memcmp
08.23.02 #       <Zagor> right. i'm partly to blame for that. I didn't remember we had solved it with -ffreestanding
08.23.32 #       <Bagder> aha
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08.39.39 #       <hardeep> howdy
08.39.45 #       <Bagder> hey ho
08.45.34 #       * Bagder adds .lang files to cvs
08.45.51 #       <hardeep> May the force be with you
08.45.56 #       <Bagder> :-)
08.46.19 #       <Bagder> it's mainly still just showing the concept
08.46.54 #       <hardeep> blah, why doesn't everyone just use english... makes everyone's life easier!! =)
08.52.57 #       <Zagor> Bagder: you're implementing it bad. use a string array instead, like i wrote in my mail.
08.53.16 #       <Bagder> my point is that since we generate that stuff, we can change that anytime
08.53.27 #       <Bagder> of course it'll change
08.53.46 #       <Zagor> yes, but this makes florian (and others) very confused, since I explicitly said this is not how it will work :-)
08.54.23 #       <Bagder> ok then, but then I need to generate a .c file too
08.54.27 #       <Zagor> yes
08.56.36 #       <Bagder> shall I generate an enum or use defines?
08.57.07 #       <Zagor> defines are best, since thre may be "gaps" in the string id sequence
08.57.20 #       <Bagder> hardly
08.57.24 #       <Zagor> no?
08.57.28 #       <Bagder> since I genarate it
08.57.31 #       <Bagder> oh
08.57.39 #       <Bagder> right, different targets may not have them all
08.57.53 #       <Bagder> whatever difference that makes
08.57.55 #       <Zagor> yeah, that's what I thought. maybe it isn't a problem?
08.58.01 #       * Zagor is confused :)
08.58.11 #       <Bagder> no, since the gap is there in the enum/define too
08.58.36 #       <Bagder> I'll use a define for now
08.58.39 #       <Zagor> make it an ENUM first. it we get problems, we can use defines later
08.58.40 #       <Zagor> haha
08.58.44 #       <Bagder> hahaha
08.58.48 #       <Bagder> ok, enum
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09.06.22 #       <Schnueff> moin all
09.07.03 #       <hardeep> evening schnueff
09.07.33 #       <langhaarrocker> Schnueff: Are you german?
09.07.41 #       <Schnueff> hardeep: hehe what's your time?
09.07.44 #       <Schnueff> langhaarrocker: jawohl
09.08.01 #       <hardeep> hmm, doh, i guess it is morning here now! (12:07 am)
09.08.12 #       <Schnueff> ok
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09.21.29 #       <bobTHC> hi all !
09.22.02 #       <bobTHC> anyone have a listing of all word displayed in rockbox to start translation work ? 
09.25.34 #       <Bagder> nope
09.25.42 #       <Bagder> that's still left to fix
09.26.33 #       <bobTHC> someone works on it ?
09.26.42 #       <Bagder> no
09.27.02 #       <Bagder> but we now have the basics to get it started
09.28.28 #       <bobTHC> ok... if u have it please send me it and i'll start translation...
09.28.54 #       <Bagder> yes, when it exists we can do that
09.29.06 #       <bobTHC> thanx
09.30.21 #       <bobTHC> i can start directly with what i see when i'm browsing menus but it's not in the good order... 
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09.37.43 #       <quelsaruk> hi
09.37.55 #       <bobTHC> hi !
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09.40.52 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: how is the development of .lang conversion tool? 
09.41.10 #       <Bagder> seems to work fine
09.41.39 #       <rwood> Zagor: I'm using the player and when I pause before powering off, I don't when it's save to power off - how about turning on the red LED before calling write_sectors - when LED goes off, it's safe to power off.
09.43.47 #       <quelsaruk> i had some problems with my mail server and i have near 150 mails from rockbox, so i don't know if it's implemented yet.. 
09.44.13 #       <Zagor> rwood: good idea
09.44.34 #       <rwood> Zagor: seems useful - thanks
09.46.13 #       <Bagder> quelsaruk: the tool is there, the file format is set, all we need now is to fix the source and provide a "master" file for english
09.47.11 #       <rwood> Zagor: is there any way to create read errors (other than shaking the hell out of the unit)? - i could work on the read retry next week, if its still on the TODO list
09.47.54 #       <Zagor> rwood: no there isn't. but you could simply make ata_read fail the first time you call it... :-)
09.49.14 #       <rwood> Zagor: i'll come up with something - i have a report to get out this week - i'll start on it next week
09.49.16 #       <Zagor> Bagder: should lang.[ch] always be committed? i thought we should create it compile-time.
09.49.23 #       <Zagor> rwood: ok
09.49.54 #       <Bagder> Zagor: right, I'm just not sure how to proceed with that since that'll require perl (atm)
09.50.15 #       <Bagder> that's why I've committed them so far
09.50.18 #       <Zagor> ok
09.51.43 #       <Zagor> either we rewrite genlang in c or we add perl as a required build tool
09.51.52 #       <Bagder> yes
09.52.13 #       <hardeep> i don't see any reason why perl can't be a required tool
09.52.20 #       <Bagder> me neither
09.52.21 #       <hardeep> it's available for both linux and win32
09.52.25 #       <Schnueff> wow 9 lines on display with clR5x6.bdf
09.52.30 #       <Bagder> rewriting all those little tools in c will be annoying
09.52.41 #       <Schnueff> and quite readable too :)
09.53.29 #       <Bagder> Schnueff: coolness ;-)
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09.56.44 #       <quelsaruk> bagder... i have this mornign free... if you have things to do, i could change agein all strings and use new id names, more related with the text string
09.56.45 #       <Zagor> so we're adding perl then
09.57.01 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: sounds great
09.57.14 #       <Bagder> quelsaruk: sure, go ahead
09.57.23 #       <quelsaruk> i did it once.. i suppose this time will be easier
09.57.24 #       <quelsaruk> :)
09.57.40 #       <Bagder> quelsaruk: the strings should be fetched with "str(LANG_XXX)" where XXX should be somewhat descriptive
09.59.18 #       <quelsaruk> bagder: where's the tool? i mean has it been sent to the mail list?
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09.59.26 #       <Bagder> Zagor: I think so, it won't be that tricky for most of the windows people anyway since many uses cygwin already
09.59.32 #       <Bagder> quelsaruk: it's in tools
09.59.37 #       <Bagder> committed to cvs
09.59.47 #       <quelsaruk> :)
10.00.44 #       <quelsaruk> what does *fetched* means?
10.01.09 #       <Bagder> picked, gotten, received
10.01.15 #       <quelsaruk> ok
10.01.16 #       <quelsaruk> :)
10.06.26 #       <quelsaruk> bagder, there are some strings translated in main_menu.c. It's that ok?
10.06.45 #       <Bagder> I've done those as an example on how to proceed
10.07.07 #       <quelsaruk> ok, so all should fit that standard
10.07.09 #       <Bagder> check out the lang/english.lang to see how those are written
10.07.55 #       <quelsaruk> ok
10.08.07 #       <quelsaruk> getting on it
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10.18.05 #       <quelsaruk> bagder, there is one "small" problem
10.19.40 #       <bobTHC> for french.lang, i overwrite the "eng:" line by "fr:" lin or i fill the empty "new:" line ???
10.20.29 #       <Zagor> new:
10.20.46 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: what is the problem?
10.20.53 #       <quelsaruk> some strings have a fitted lenght
10.21.01 #       <quelsaruk> for example in some games
10.21.10 #       <quelsaruk> we must have that in mind
10.21.27 #       <Zagor> yes. put that in the comment/description. "must be kept short" or something.
10.21.40 #       <quelsaruk> ok
10.21.41 #       <quelsaruk> :)
10.22.37 #       <hardeep> hmmm, maybe something a little more descriptive... like "Max 20 chars"
10.22.39 #       <hardeep> ?
10.22.57 #       <webmind> morning
10.23.11 #       <hardeep> good morning webmind
10.23.19 #       <webmind> sup ?
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10.32.41 #       <TotM4cher> ahh
10.32.48 #       <TotM4cher> i want to make the german translation file !!
10.33.13 #       <Zagor> TotM4cher: wait for quelsaruk to create the first with all the strings, then you can translate
10.33.28 #       <TotM4cher> ok
10.33.31 #       <TotM4cher> kewl
10.34.29 #       <pyvasene> I can be in charge of the french translation if noone is on it yet
10.35.14 #       <Zagor> good
10.35.20 #       <bobTHC> i on it yet
10.35.36 #       <pyvasene> bobTHC : no pb
10.35.40 #       <Zagor> ah, right. bobTHC got it first :-)
10.35.53 #       <Schnueff> who will do klingon?
10.35.55 #       <Schnueff> :)
10.35.56 #       <bobTHC> ;) help is always welcome
10.36.12 #       <Zagor> i want "swedish chef". bork bork.
10.36.36 #       <TotM4cher> hehe
10.36.40 #       <TotM4cher> i will do l33t too
10.36.50 #       <pyvasene> bobTHC : Send me your translation once done for validation if you want (pyvasene@free.fr)
10.37.24 #       <bobTHC> look @  http://www.aix-elan.org/french.lang  it's the workfile
10.38.22 #       <pyvasene> bobTHC : What about the accents ?
10.38.28 #       <Bagder> just wait for quelsaruk's work first, then you'll have something more to work on
10.38.38 #       <bobTHC> yp
10.38.53 #       <Zagor> bobTHC: your LANG_BUFFER_STAT_PLAYER won't fit on the player lcd
10.39.16 #       <bobTHC> ok i change
10.40.47 #       <bobTHC> it's hard in 3 letters ! :)
10.43.00 #       <Zagor> bobTHC, pyvasene: you should use full iso-8859-1 for the french texts
10.43.24 #       <bobTHC> ok
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10.45.35 #       <quelsaruk> i must reboot, see you later!
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10.54.20 #       <bobTHC> zagor : id string are in an order ?
10.54.36 #       <Zagor> no
10.54.47 #       <bobTHC> i can add news as i want ?
10.55.08 #       <Zagor> no. quelsaruk is making the ids. wait for his work.
10.55.20 #       <bobTHC> no pb
10.55.46 #       * bobTHC is waiting ;)
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11.10.03 #       <langhaarrocker> Is there a way to detect wether the status bar is really being displayed? I mean global_settings.statusbar just tells you wether it is _enabled_ not wether it is being displayed.
11.10.55 #       <Zagor> that should be the same thing
11.11.05 #       <Zagor> what is the problem?
11.11.17 #       <langhaarrocker> No: while playing a game you don't see the status bar but it still may be enabled.
11.11.30 #       <Zagor> yes. but why do you want to know?
11.11.40 #       <Zagor> games don't care about the status bar
11.12.00 #       <langhaarrocker> The problem is that I made a task that updates peak info in the status bar. That task must be disabled while the status bar is not visible.
11.12.38 #       <Zagor> you are doing wrong. nobody should draw in the status bar except status.c
11.13.28 #       <langhaarrocker> I placed the drawing routine is in status.c but the thread calls it.
11.14.02 #       <langhaarrocker> I don't want to redraw _all_ the status bar just to update 16 pixels
11.14.05 #       <Zagor> that's your problem. don't call it from a thread. the status bar handling is carefully written to go around exactly your problem
11.14.41 #       <Zagor> then have conditionals in the status update that only updates changed sections
11.15.39 #       <langhaarrocker> You mean like passing a parameter to status_draw?
11.15.55 #       <bobTHC> french ppl : see the francais.lang proof of concept @ http://www.aix-elan.org/francais.lang
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11.16.25 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: no, i mean keep track of the last drawn values. only redraw if new value is different
11.16.44 #       <Zagor> but you probably don
11.17.05 #       <Zagor> don't have to do any of that. the status bar is updated pretty often anyway.
11.17.36 #       <langhaarrocker> But not often enough to make the peak meter useful
11.17.56 #       <langhaarrocker> I think increasing the general redraw of statusbar is a bad idea
11.18.57 #       <Zagor> yes, but redrawing it from a thread is even worse. it breaks the design.
11.19.47 #       <langhaarrocker> Then the only solution I see is not to draw any peak meter at all in the status bar.
11.19.47 #       <Zagor> if you want to draw more often, conditional drawing is the best approach
11.20.28 #       <Zagor> i'm not sure peak info should be in the status bar anyway. where do you squeeze it in?
11.20.53 #       <langhaarrocker> directly behind the volume setting icon.
11.21.08 #       <langhaarrocker> It's so small it fits neatly
11.21.44 #       <Zagor> a number or a graph?
11.22.03 #       <langhaarrocker> two 8 pixels high vertical lines
11.22.09 #       <Zagor> ok
11.22.19 #       <Zagor> to the left or right of the volume?
11.22.30 #       <langhaarrocker> both
11.22.43 #       <langhaarrocker> thats why it's two pixel wide.
11.23.17 #       <Zagor> very crowded...
11.23.50 #       <langhaarrocker> I am a Kraut.. :)
11.23.54 #       <Zagor> haha
11.23.56 #       <Schnueff> hehe
11.26.15 #       <langhaarrocker> Ok: I see this will be a dead and. No peak info in the status bar. I'll investigate wps. But I still will need to redraw using a thread. Will that break design, too?
11.26.40 #       <Zagor> yes
11.26.52 #       <langhaarrocker> f%&$
11.27.04 #       <Zagor> it's very complex, since we redraw the screen a lot. quickscreens, menus, usb screen, browser etc.
11.29.23 #       <langhaarrocker> Or might it be better to introduce something completely new? I mean the status bar, the scroll bar, wps and so on are quite compact units. What about installing a volume peak bar at the right side - just like the scroll bar? 
11.29.42 #       <langhaarrocker> No, doesn't change the problem.
11.30.32 #       <langhaarrocker> What determins that something has to be redrawn?
11.31.39 #       <Zagor> that's different for each code
11.35.38 #       <langhaarrocker> Is it ok to break the disign while listening to "Breaking the law?"
11.35.47 #       <Zagor> :-)
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11.48.16 #       <quelsaruk> re-hi!
11.50.52 #       <Zagor> hi. done?
11.51.44 #       <quelsaruk> nops.. i had to re-compile the kernel to enable ntfs support
11.51.59 #       <quelsaruk> i needed some files in that hd
11.52.04 #       <quelsaruk> :(
11.52.49 #       <Zagor> ah
11.53.05 #       <langhaarrocker> cu later
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12.05.17 #       <quelsaruk> btw Zagor, when key lock is on
12.06.02 #       <quelsaruk> you can still press off-key to shut down the jukebox, is that a bug?
12.09.02 #       <Zagor> no. that's hardware.
12.12.16 #       <quelsaruk> ok
12.12.29 #       <quelsaruk> another thing, about language conversion...
12.16.09 #       <quelsaruk> for example, in demo_menu.c you have a string like "bounce" should i use LANG_DEMO_BEOUNCE or just LANG_BOUNCE? i think the first one is more specific, because you'll have to use LANG_BOUNCE_XXX later at bounce.c, what do you think about this?
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12.25.39 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: i agree, but don't make it longer than you need. LANG_BOUNCE is ok, since all strings Bounce uses will be called LANG_BOUNCE_XXX
12.27.05 #       <quelsaruk> ok, as you wish *boss* (it's a joke) :)
12.27.17 #       * Zagor is *the boss*
12.27.29 #       <Zagor> oh, it was *big boss*
12.27.32 #       <quelsaruk> some kind of sauron
12.27.57 #       <Zagor> evil and menacing, i wish to inflict pain on everyone.
12.29.55 #       <quelsaruk> you've forgot to say "muhahahahahahahahahaha"... then it will look diabolic
12.30.48 #       <Zagor> adi|home: the "OFF turns off the unit even when keylock is on" should be in the faq
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12.36.13 #       <bobTHC> someone have make custom font ?
12.36.25 #       <Zagor> not yet
12.36.40 #       <Zagor> dwihno is working on one, but it's not ready yet
12.38.15 #       <bobTHC> ok, downloading  directly font set at the rockbox format on rockbox.haxx.se will be a good when that work fine...
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12.43.28 #       <Schnueff> selecting a font from the browsers as FONT_UI would be cool
12.45.48 #       <Zagor> Schnueff: how do you mean?
12.46.19 #       <Schnueff> that fonts display in the browser with a new icon and one can press play on them (like with mp3, playlists, rolo)
12.46.43 #       <Schnueff> then it gets loaded
12.46.48 #       <Zagor> yes. that will come soon.
12.47.25 #       <Schnueff> maybe i take a look at it
12.47.35 #       <Schnueff> but i'm no sure how much time i have :)
12.49.42 #       <bobTHC> bug 
12.49.42 #       <bobTHC> With last Daily 
12.49.42 #       <bobTHC> when i try to play a long 215 Mb 192kbps 44Hz CBR, the HD start, the HD red led flash but after 30 sec nothing happen ! 
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12.49.42 #       <bobTHC> the WPS is empty but the device always work I press "ON" and i can play another file
12.49.42 #       <bobTHC> With v1.3
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12.49.43 #       <bobTHC> when i try to play a long 215 Mb 192kbps 44Hz CBR, the HD start, the HD red led flash but after 30 sec passing at the next track
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12.57.04 #       <Zagor> bobTHC: it's probably not the file size that is the problem
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13.22.08 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: nearlyu finished, it's lunch time, this afternoon i'll submit the diff to the mail list, ok?
13.22.15 #       <Zagor> sounds great
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15.12.06 #       <bobTHC> zagor : if it's not the file size what is the problem ?
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15.13.07 #       <Zagor> i would guess another id3 tag problem
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15.17.58 #       <elinenbe> I just necountered an interesting bug.  I loaded up a song, and it started on 12 seconds!
15.18.04 #       <elinenbe> wierd.
15.18.18 #       <Zagor> !
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16.47.55 #       <edx|sleep> manchmal
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16.48.14 #       * edx|sleep schnarcht und schlaf-chattet
16.48.14 #       <edx|sleep> lol
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18.15.31 #       <quel|out> Zagor: debug messages need to be translated?
18.15.55 #       <Schnueff> hehe i guess not
18.16.05 #       <quel|out> i hope no
18.16.08 #       <quel|out> :)
18.17.03 #       <quel|out> ummm
18.17.55 #       <quel|out> *off* and *on* are international, i mean *everyone* knows what do you want to say with "on"
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18.25.19 #       <hardeep> quel|out: I can tell you that we localize "off" and "on" where I work... (eg. German = "Aus" and "Ein")
18.26.25 #       <quel|out> ooookkkkk
18.27.00 #       <quel|out> here we say "encendido" and "apagado", but you can see everywhere on and off
18.27.01 #       <quel|out> :P
18.27.15 #       <quel|out> it's too large the other way
18.27.53 #       <hardeep> which language?
18.29.20 #       <quel|out> spanish
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18.33.41 #       <quel|out> i suppose i can change all "on" with the same LANG_ON
18.33.47 #       <quel|out> :)
18.34.02 #       <quel|out> i hope the *big boss* don't send me to jail for this
18.34.04 #       <quel|out> hehe
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19.03.05 #       <Phantom> hi ! is somebody can send me a full english.lang ? I m going to do a french translation...
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19.05.26 #       <Phantom>  is somebody can send me a full english.lang ? I m going to do a french translation...
19.06.54 #       <quel|out> not yet finished
19.07.00 #       <quel|out> but i'm finishing it
19.07.34 #       <quel|out> i hope it will be in less than 1 hour, but after i have to submit changes to the mail list and wait confirmation :)
19.10.04 #       <Phantom> k, as soon as it is good I will make a French translation
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19.43.10 #       <Zagor> Phantom: bobTHC will do a french translation too. you should probably work together.
19.43.30 #       <Zagor> quel|out: no, debug messages do not need to be translated :-)
19.49.16 #       <quel|out> Zagor: i'm a bit collapsed, how would you call a string like " Dir buffer" in showdir() function ??
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19.50.01 #       <YourNick> hi
19.50.17 #       <Zagor> quel|out: well, the dir buffer is the memory area allocated for holding a dir. the message is shown when the dir does not fit into the area.
19.50.34 #       <Zagor> YourNick: hi
19.51.15 #       <YourNick> i just installed rockbox 1.3 on my player, is there a clock like on the recorder?
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19.51.41 #       <quel|out> i know.. but i can't think in a correct id for that string
19.51.59 #       <Zagor> D4damage1: no, the players don't have a real-time clock
19.52.19 #       <D4damage1> is that a hardware restriction?
19.52.47 #       <D4damage1> are there plans to include any games on the player?
19.53.25 #       <Zagor> D4damage1: it simply has no clock chip. i guess you can call that a restriction
19.53.46 #       <Zagor> D4damage1: as soon as someone writes a good game, we'll most likely include it
19.54.26 #       <D4damage1> excellent, I only ask because it looks like the recorder already has a couple
19.54.48 #       <Zagor> yes, the bitmap screen makes games a lot easier
19.55.08 #       <D4damage1> hmm, I think I might invest in a recorder
19.57.54 #       <quel|out> there seems to be a new recorder, with FM radio
19.57.57 #       <hardeep> strange... is it intentional that the status bar always uses the built-in font?
19.59.33 #       <TotMacher> huhu
19.59.50 #       <TotMacher> is there a final english.lang ?
20.01.12 #       <Zagor> hardeep: yes
20.01.58 Nick    dwihno|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE)
20.02.01 #       <dwihno> Good evening people
20.02.13 #       <dwihno> I see somebody converted the font, that saves the work from me. Nice.
20.02.23 #       <quel|out> TotMacher: not yet.. pleeeeease wait a bit
20.02.26 #       * dwihno has -> zero <- time nowadays :(
20.02.39 #       <hardeep> zagor: it makes the display a bit uglier imo
20.02.41 #       <TotMacher> but, i can start the translation ?
20.03.15 #       <hardeep> although this could be partially due to the current built-in font. =)
20.03.16 #       <Phantom> is final english.lang finished ? I want to try todo a translation
20.03.48 #       <Zagor> hardeep: exactly. we'll find a good-looking built-in font
20.05.03 #       <TotMacher> hehe, i wi
20.05.24 #       <TotMacher> i will also translate the name rockbox to german : rockbüchse
20.05.31 #       <TotMacher> oder
20.05.37 #       <TotMacher> rockkasten
20.06.37 #       <Zagor> lol
20.06.40 #       <Phantom>  i will also translate the name rockbox to french : Rockbox FR
20.06.41 #       <quel|out> TotMacher, Phantom, i suppose that when english.lang is finished, Zagor will notify that in the website, so please don't be impatient.
20.06.50 #       <Phantom> k
20.06.53 #       <TotMacher> hehe
20.06.56 #       <TotMacher> READY !
20.06.57 #       <TotMacher> :)
20.07.23 #       <TotMacher> its not that much to
20.07.26 #       <TotMacher> translate
20.07.26 #       <TotMacher> :)
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20.11.52 #       <Phantom> I'm ready, I should translate in french in less than 10 minutes...
20.13.36 #       <dwihno> french french bench
20.13.37 #       <dwihno> frenchbench
20.13.39 #       <dwihno> workbench
20.13.40 Nick    Zagor is now known as Zagor|away (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
20.13.43 #       <dwihno> I want amiga workbench
20.13.46 #       <dwihno> workbench for PC
20.13.56 #       <dwihno> including guru meditation emulation
20.14.39 #       <Phantom> lol, stop smocking...
20.15.19 #       <dwihno> :-)
20.15.27 #       <dwihno> Well, a better job might do the trick too
20.15.33 #       <dwihno> Being away from home 11 hours a day sucks
20.15.36 #       <dwihno> :(
20.16.51 #       <dwihno> Zagor: hire me :-D
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20.33.44 #       <langhaarrocker> So: now we can have a volume peak meter in wps - without a dirty thread.
20.35.51 #       <Phantom> quel said :"i hope it will be in less than 1 hour..."
20.36.12 #       <Phantom> ...2hours later...ARG, kill me !!!
20.36.35 #       <langhaarrocker> I told you not to eat arghs with your worm
20.39.03 #       <quel|out> Phantom... you should prey i can finish this before 21:30
20.39.20 #       <quel|out> o i will go home and finish this tomorrow morning
20.39.54 #       <Phantom> May the force be with you
20.40.14 #       <Phantom> Que la Force soit avec toi
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20.40.27 #       <quel|out> hi adiamas
20.40.38 #       <adiamas> howdy
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20.46.06 #       <langhaarrocker> elinenge: Thank you for committing my patches!
20.53.49 #       <langhaarrocker> Is there anywhere a good place to initialize a new global_settings field without abusing settings_load?
21.00.16 #       <TotMacher> does anyone here uses the JUKEBOX synchronizer ?
21.00.36 #       <langhaarrocker> not me
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21.04.46 #       <Phantom> yes me
21.05.02 #       <langhaarrocker> now that he's gone...
21.05.11 #       <Phantom> lol
21.05.15 #       <xam> will the "oszillator" be included in 1.4?
21.05.30 #       <Phantom> while Quake be included in 1.4?
21.05.56 #       <langhaarrocker> xam: I'd appreciate it. But I don't know.
21.06.17 #       <langhaarrocker> Phantom: I'd appreciate that too ;)
21.06.28 #       <xam> langhaarrocker I think there are still some bugs ...
21.06.35 #       <langhaarrocker> tell me
21.06.43 #       <langhaarrocker> I'll fix them
21.07.04 #       <langhaarrocker> (when I know them)
21.07.23 #       <xam> Well, at least the version I use (CVS, with patches from mailing list). After some time (some minutes) the ozillator crashes ...
21.07.36 #       <langhaarrocker> That's fixed.
21.07.50 #       <langhaarrocker> It ran >2hours on my machine.
21.07.55 #       <xam> It langhaarrocker coll
21.07.56 #       <xam> cool
21.08.58 #       <langhaarrocker> have you used the patch submitted with http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-09/0489.shtml
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21.10.53 #       <xam> I think so. I have the three features (with F1, F2, F3)
21.10.54 #       <langhaarrocker> phantom: Totmacher is alive again: that's your great moment!
21.11.09 #       <TotMacher> ahh
21.11.15 #       <TotMacher> MY heart !!!
21.11.22 #       <TotMacher> i had boxes on full volume
21.11.28 #       <TotMacher> you could have killed me
21.11.32 #       <TotMacher> with that highlight
21.11.39 #       <langhaarrocker> It's HEADphones, not HEARTphones!
21.11.44 #       <dwihno> heh :
21.11.45 #       <dwihno> :)
21.11.54 #       <TotMacher> i said
21.11.58 #       <TotMacher> HEART
21.12.45 #       <langhaarrocker> xam: and that thing froze?
21.13.47 #       <xam> well, it said something about an error ... and I had to poweroff/poweron again ...
21.14.00 #       <langhaarrocker> wait a moment...
21.14.16 #       <quel|out> ok.. i have to check games and demos and i'll finish
21.15.00 #       <xam> langhaarrocker doesn't happen to often (I don't use it too often either)
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21.16.10 #       <langhaarrocker> but I use it very often and it never crashes on my recorder.
21.16.14 #       <xam> langhaarrocker I try to recreate the error, but right now it's working
21.16.42 #       <langhaarrocker> I'll check wether I changed something after the fact...
21.18.01 #       <Phantom> just a question : why don't make a "Big release with "all" : propfont, rolo, games, demos, oszilator,.... ?
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21.18.25 #       <xam> langhaarrocker: I only used one version of your oszillorgraph (never used any other version): the one with the three features. I got 3 or 4 crashes with it
21.19.42 #       <langhaarrocker> What puzzles me is that you use the word oszillosgraph. I now know that it should have been spelled osCillosgraph and changed it accordingly. If your version says oszillosgraph it's old.
21.20.05 #       <quel|out> Phantom: i must go home, but i will work tonight, so tomorrow morning i will submit the changes to the mail list
21.20.17 #       <quel|out> so you'll have to wait one more day
21.20.19 #       <quel|out> :)
21.20.27 #       <langhaarrocker> Sorry my fault: even in the 'new' version I didn't correct the typo in the menu
21.20.28 #       <Phantom> wath time is it in your country ?
21.20.35 #       <langhaarrocker> 21:30
21.20.40 #       <quel|out> 21:21
21.20.43 #       <Phantom> where do you live ?
21.21.03 #       <langhaarrocker> Krautland ;)
21.21.03 #       <quel|out> spain
21.21.23 #       <xam> it's spelled "Oscillosgraph" on my Recorder ... I'm from germany, so forgive my wrong (?) spelling
21.21.27 #       <Phantom> arf, me in paris, so, this is the same time
21.21.38 #       <quel|out> yups
21.22.01 #       <langhaarrocker> And my watch is 10 minutes early.
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21.23.35 #       <langhaarrocker> xam: seems to be a familiar 'false friend' for us germans.
21.23.45 #       <xam> langhaarrocker ;)
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21.26.51 #       <quel|out> see you tomorrow!
21.27.00 #       <langhaarrocker> cu
21.29.07 #       <Phantom> bye
21.30.07 #       <langhaarrocker> xam: do you by any chance know at which kbs rate your files were when the osci crashed?
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21.31.02 #       <xam> langhaarrocker: I'm not sure. I've everything from 128kb/s to r3mix
21.31.22 #       <D4damage1> in the archos firmware you could change the volume of the player by holding the on button and pressing the + or - button, is anything possible like that with rockbox?
21.32.12 #       <langhaarrocker> xam: I tried it with up to 224 kbs and it was stable
21.32.35 #       <xam> langhaarrocker I just tried with 320 and it didn't crash
21.33.00 #       <langhaarrocker> d4damage1: although I have a recorder I'm pretty sure that on the player you just have to press up / down to change the volume
21.33.57 #       <langhaarrocker> xam: Have you noticed that the osci slows down for a moment after some mp3 data has been loaded from disc?
21.34.12 #       <D4damage1> the player hasen't got up and down, it got on, menu, =, -, play/pause and stop/off
21.34.26 #       <xam> langhaarrocker It crashed again. This time no error message. Using r3mix and pressing the left arrow keys ...
21.34.45 #       <langhaarrocker> what is r3mix?
21.35.00 #       <xam> langhaarrocker yes, but the slowdown is not what I'm talking about ...
21.35.17 #       <langhaarrocker> did it crash during that slowdown?
21.35.47 #       <xam> langhaarrocker and option of LAME: it's VBR with highest quality (from about 96k up to 320kb, usually about 200k)
21.36.26 #       <xam> langhaarrocker r3mix is closest to the CD as you can get with mp3 IMHO
21.36.37 #       <Hadaka> well --r3mix is one guys opinion of that
21.36.58 #       <Hadaka> iirc --alt-preset 3 is another guys opinion
21.37.21 #       <langhaarrocker> I thought guy is out. ;)
21.37.36 #       <Hadaka> :)
21.38.12 #       <langhaarrocker> #*&% Now I've got to fiddle with lame. Never did that before.
21.38.57 #       <Phantom> just a question : why don't make a "Big release with "all" : propfont, rolo, games, demos, Oscillosgraph,.... ?
21.39.14 #       <Phantom> Or, if somebody have it send it to me !!!
21.39.25 #       <xam> langhaarrocker "lame --r3mix in.wav out.mp3" that's all you need to know ;)
21.39.54 #       <langhaarrocker> before that I've got to find lame!
21.40.28 #       <langhaarrocker> Phantom: Probably because there's no file writing, recording and all the announced features for 1.4
21.41.41 #       <Phantom> I didn't ask for 1.4, but just a version with "all" the work allready done
21.42.31 #       <langhaarrocker> why don't you use the daily build? It's got everything - besides the osci...
21.43.38 #       <Phantom> why ?
21.47.17 #       <langhaarrocker> 'Why' it doesn't have the osci or 'why' use the daliy build?
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21.53.54 #       <Phantom>  'Why' it doesn't have the osci
21.54.42 #       <langhaarrocker> because nobody commited it yet. Probably it's one of those features that makes people say: "I'm out!"
21.55.25 #       <Phantom> ...
21.55.40 #       <xam> langhaar ;)
21.56.05 #       <xam> langhaar stupid people IMHO ...
21.56.08 #       <dwihno_> COMMIT IT!
21.56.15 #       <dwihno_> Commit! :D
21.56.16 #       <dwihno_> Yay!
21.56.48 #       <dwihno_> Then Captain Zagor will bust your sorry ass. Prime violation of the Code laws! :)
21.57.26 #       <langhaarrocker> I don't have cvs access - fortunaltely.
21.58.47 #       <D4damage1> i've got a question
21.58.54 #       <langhaarrocker> only one?
21.59.27 #       <D4damage1> is there a firmware that lets you choose between loading the rockbox firmware or the archos firmware?
21.59.41 #       <langhaarrocker> yes, the current daily build.
22.00.00 #       <dwihno_> publish some oszillo enabled ajz on a webpage, I'd love to test
22.00.24 #       <D4damage1> this one off the site?
22.00.25 #       <D4damage1> rockbox-daily-20020912.tar.gz
22.01.08 #       <langhaarrocker> you use player or recorder?
22.01.14 #       <D4damage1> player
22.02.15 #       <langhaarrocker> http://rockbox.haxx.se/auto/build-playerold/archos.mod or
22.02.15 #       <langhaarrocker> http://rockbox.haxx.se/auto/build-player/archos.mod
22.02.46 #       <D4damage1> thanks
22.03.17 #       <D4damage1> and what do I call the archos.mod ? (archoses firmware)
22.03.32 #       <Phantom> and I, JBR with osci plz...
22.03.36 #       <dwihno_> langhaarrocker: Put the ozci enabled ajz online plz :)
22.04.26 #       <Phantom> PLLZZZZ
22.04.35 #       <langhaarrocker> zzzzzz
22.04.54 #       <Phantom> ARG
22.05.05 #       <xam> plzzzzzz
22.05.07 #       <dwihno_> PLZZZ
22.05.08 #       <dwihno_> PLZZZ
22.05.09 DBUG    Enqueued KICK dwihno_
22.05.09 #       <dwihno_> PLZZZ
22.05.09 #       <dwihno_> :)
22.05.10 #       <Phantom> PLEASE
22.05.14 #       <dwihno_> Come on, you lang haar rocker dude! :)
22.05.28 #       <xam> long hair rocker ...
22.05.52 #       <langhaarrocker> If I only remebered my ftp password.
22.06.14 Quit    dwihno (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
22.06.21 #       <langhaarrocker> Wait a few minutes: I'll have to swap the computer.
22.06.34 Quit    langhaarrocker ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)")
22.06.48 #       <dwihno_> yay!
22.06.52 #       <dwihno_> We get ozci! :)
22.08.44 #       <xam> mhh, compiling wine ... hopefully I can run counterstrike on my laptop now ...
22.15.15 #       <Phantom> dwihno : where ???
22.15.28 #       <dwihno_> Phantom: Still waiting for it...
22.15.33 #       <dwihno_> I think he'll never return :(
22.15.36 #       <dwihno_> Just to keep us on the edge
22.15.38 #       <dwihno_> waiting
22.15.39 #       <dwihno_> longing
22.15.40 #       <dwihno_> :-)
22.16.05 #       <Phantom> :-)
22.17.10 #       <dwihno_> hmm
22.17.16 #       <dwihno_> Hey, you langhaardude! Return now! :)
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22.17.23 #       * dwihno_ dials 1-800-langhaar
22.19.37 Join    langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@B2839.pppool.de)
22.19.55 #       <langhaarrocker> have a look at http://www.x-phobie.de/ajbrec.ajz
22.20.10 #       <langhaarrocker> that has the osci and the volume peak meter in wps.
22.20.52 #       <langhaarrocker> (of course you have to modify your .rockbox/default.wps and include a line with %pm in it)
22.21.59 #       <Phantom> (of course you have to modify your .rockbox/default.wps and include a line with %pm in it) ???
22.22.09 #       <Phantom> HOW ? what that ?
22.22.17 #       <langhaarrocker> And _please_ report if you encounter any problems with the osci. That really puzzles me.
22.22.43 #       <langhaarrocker> Phantom: have you ever customized your wps?
22.22.48 #       <Phantom> .rockbox/default.wps ? what is it ???
22.22.55 #       <Phantom> Never
22.23.34 #       <Phantom> "Every, new features apears, RockBox, the Endless Firmware"
22.23.44 #       <langhaarrocker> That is a file with which you can modify what your wps shows. Including progress bar and (only with this version) volume peak meter.
22.24.05 #       <dwihno_> my WPS is cute
22.24.22 #       <dwihno_> I need to extend it someday though
22.24.27 #       <Phantom> is there a file with full help for WPS ?
22.24.31 #       <langhaarrocker> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html
22.24.49 #       <TotMacher> hey
22.25.02 #       <dwihno_> I'll test it
22.25.13 #       <TotMacher> did you ever thought about asking archos to link to rockbox
22.25.18 #       <langhaarrocker> but as said: I made a new tag %pm that works similar to %pb but displays a volume meter
22.25.19 #       <TotMacher> as alternative firmware ?
22.25.53 #       <Phantom> good question ?
22.25.56 #       <langhaarrocker> I'm pretty sure Archos knows about rockbox. And if they really liked the idea they'd link anyway.
22.26.32 #       <dwihno_> agreed
22.26.37 Nick    Zagor|away is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
22.26.39 #       <TotMacher> hmm
22.26.43 #       <Phantom> They are very sympatic at Archos, I see them for a probleme (yes, directly)
22.26.44 #       <dwihno_> they will probably invalidate their warranty for ppl using rockbox
22.26.45 #       <TotMacher> i dont know
22.26.56 #       <TotMacher> i think they have very less support on archos
22.27.12 #       <TotMacher> i think most on the new multimedia box
22.27.18 #       <TotMacher> hmm
22.27.19 #       <TotMacher> but
22.27.35 #       <TotMacher> that would take pressure off archos jukebox support
22.27.41 #       <TotMacher> so positive for archos
22.28.02 #       <TotMacher> ever thoght about a dialog with archos ?
22.28.06 #       <TotMacher> Zagor ?
22.28.17 #       <langhaarrocker> maybe they're confronted with support hotline for rockbox :)
22.28.27 #       * dwihno_ loads a kickass beat
22.28.58 #       <langhaarrocker> Why not outsorce the support to archs. That would enable Zagor to have enough time to commit the oscillosgraph!
22.29.12 #       <dwihno_> hmm
22.29.19 #       <dwihno_> the osc is not fast enuf! :)
22.29.24 #       <TotMacher> HEHE
22.29.30 #       <dwihno_> looks stupid with my beats! :)
22.29.33 #       <TotMacher> ist there Now a OSC ?
22.29.49 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: :-)
22.30.12 #       <dwihno_> it probably uses the rand() function ;)
22.30.16 #       <dwihno_> doesn't seem accurate at all
22.30.24 #       <dwihno_> j/k langhaarrocker, it has a great future :)
22.30.42 #       <Zagor> TotMacher: there's a guy (outside the project) talking to archos about open sourcing their code. we'll see what that amounts to.
22.30.47 #       <langhaarrocker> jump! Joy! 
22.30.52 #       <TotMacher> ahh
22.30.54 #       <TotMacher> very kewl
22.31.06 #       <TotMacher> so
22.31.19 #       <Zagor> apparently the americans are very positive while the french management is, um, not :-)
22.31.25 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: is that the GUY who's out?
22.31.34 #       <Zagor> haha. no.
22.31.56 #       <xam> langhaarrocker it's kurzhairpopper
22.32.04 #       <TotMacher> hehe
22.32.05 #       <xam> kurzhaarpopper
22.32.08 #       <Phantom> FRENCH MANAGEMENT IS FABULOUS !!!
22.32.14 #       <Phantom> COMPRIS ????!!!!
22.32.22 #       <Zagor> if you say so...
22.32.31 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
22.32.31 #       <langhaarrocker> whats kurzhaarrocker in french?
22.33.15 #       <Phantom> Translate : les français de chez archos son super sympa et m'on échangé mon AJBR 6GO contre un 10GO GRATUITEMENT !!!
22.33.46 #       <langhaarrocker> Well that's a fine deal if you didn't have to pay extra
22.33.57 #       <Phantom> frenchs from Archos are very sympathics, they change my AJBR 6go for a 10 go FOR FREE! !!
22.33.59 #       <dwihno_> mangez les baguette pour moi, s'il vous plait!
22.34.09 #       <Phantom> coz my 6go burned
22.34.19 #       <TotMacher> hehe
22.34.20 #       <TotMacher> kewl
22.34.26 #       <langhaarrocker> dwihno_ eat it yourself
22.34.40 #       <xam> Phantom what about screwing up you 10 and get a 20?
22.34.53 #       <langhaarrocker> Phantom: I'll by a lighter at once.
22.35.13 #       <dwihno_> langhaarrocker: Yeah, je mange les baguette with saucisson et stinky fromage :)
22.35.31 #       <langhaarrocker> uäch!
22.35.52 #       * xam get's hungry
22.36.05 #       <xam> gets
22.36.19 #       <langhaarrocker> Wait a minute while I'm being sick.
22.36.39 #       <dwihno_> baguette with saucisson - c'est parfait
22.37.02 #       * xam doesn't understand french language ...
22.37.09 #       <Phantom> FOR ROCKBOX DEV TEAM : BE READY, the FM/AM jukebox recorder is already sold in France
22.37.17 #       <langhaarrocker> I've been in the Vogeses lately and they had some fantastic meat pie!
22.37.36 #       <xam> Phantom ARGGLLLL
22.37.55 #       <dwihno_> Phantom: still the same design?
22.37.59 #       <Phantom> no
22.38.01 #       <Zagor> Phantom: until someone buys one and writes drivers, we won't support it
22.38.13 #       <dwihno_> Phantom: url?
22.38.17 #       <Phantom> 2 sec
22.38.28 #       <xam> Phantom I just bought my Recorder two weeks ago ... and the oly thing that I missed was a AM/FM tuner
22.39.41 #       <Phantom> http://www.archos.com/images2/products/press_ondio.jpg
22.40.00 #       <dwihno_> looks fishy
22.40.09 #       <Phantom> Just when you thought Jukebox technology could not go any further, Archos get seriously retro with The Jukebox FM Recorder 20 and the Ondio adding another unique feature to their category-leading Jukebox Recorder – so now you can capture any track off the radio you like on the move, with the next generation Archos Jukebox FM Recorder 20 or Ondio, both with built-in FM radio.
22.40.47 #       <Phantom> http://www.archos.com/images2/products/press_ondio.jpg :
22.41.06 #       <dwihno_> looks fishy indeed
22.41.08 #       <Phantom> this is a 128MB MP3 recorder
22.41.19 #       <dwihno_> ah ,okay
22.41.23 #       <Phantom> not the Archos Jukebox FM Recorder 20
22.41.25 #       <dwihno_> :)
22.41.26 #       <dwihno_> okay
22.41.40 #       <xam> Phantom the picture of the FM Recorder is the background picture ...
22.41.51 #       <xam> http://www.archos.com/images2/press_bg1.gif
22.42.05 #       <Phantom> bNO
22.42.06 #       <Phantom> NO
22.42.07 #       <xam> or is this the JBMM
22.42.12 #       <dwihno_> ya
22.42.13 #       <dwihno_> it's the mm
22.42.13 #       <Phantom> that is the JBMM
22.42.20 #       <dwihno_> nice piece :)
22.42.28 #       <dwihno_> (NOT talking about the JBMM) ;)
22.42.44 #       <Phantom> yes
22.42.46 #       <xam> but they didn't show a picture of the FM recorder 20 :(
22.43.58 #       <dwihno_> :(
22.44.12 #       <dwihno_> I'd love if they would skip the bumpers
22.44.18 #       <dwihno_> they does not fill a purpuse imho
22.44.53 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: Any progress with file writing?
22.45.06 #       <Phantom> no, but the JBMM have bumpers
22.45.08 #       <Zagor> some. still lots to do.
22.45.35 #       <PsycoXul> dwihno_: those bumpers have saved my HD on a tile floor
22.46.09 #       <PsycoXul> and probably the case and other componants too
22.47.19 #       <PsycoXul> the ruggedness of the archos was one of its selling points for me
22.47.52 #       <Phantom> sure, but mine burned...
22.47.59 #       <langhaarrocker> xam: do you know in which mode you crashed the oscillosgraph? 
22.48.10 #       <langhaarrocker> line / filled /dots?
22.48.18 #       <dwihno_> :)
22.48.31 #       <xam> langhaarrocker the second mode
22.48.33 #       <dwihno_> Yay for Zagor!
22.48.49 #       <dwihno_> Zagor: Take your time, don't stress the code. Feel the code flowing through you! :)
22.48.54 #       <Zagor> :-)
22.49.02 #       <xam> langhaarrocker (out)lined
22.49.05 #       <Phantom> langhaarrocker :the file you posted is good, but...this font is VERY BAD
22.49.12 #       <dwihno_> Oh my god! It's SNAZZ tomorrow!
22.49.17 #       <dwihno_> uhm, I ment SNAXX :)
22.49.29 #       <dwihno_> Albeit, SNAZZ sounds more yum :)
22.49.44 #       <TotMacher> is there a osscisograph ?
22.49.58 #       <dwihno_> TotMacher: ya, langhaarrocker has made some work on such a thing! :D
22.50.09 #       <TotMacher> is it in CVS ?
22.50.16 #       <langhaarrocker> http://www.x-phobie.de/ajbrec.ajz
22.50.33 #       <TotMacher> is it in CVS ?
22.50.41 #       <langhaarrocker> I have no cvs acces and I'd really like to have that thing code polieced first.
22.51.05 #       <langhaarrocker> There are some things I'm not quite sure about. 
22.51.05 #       <TotMacher> ok
22.51.10 #       <TotMacher> lets have a look
22.51.10 #       <TotMacher> :)
22.51.27 #       <langhaarrocker> Are you going to mach it tot?
22.51.28 #       <TotMacher> ahh
22.51.39 #       <TotMacher> these two bars ?
22.51.46 #       <TotMacher> these REALLY small two bars ?
22.51.48 #       <TotMacher> :)
22.51.57 #       <langhaarrocker> bars? what bars? Ah no.
22.52.07 #       <TotMacher> how can i activate it ?
22.52.17 #       <langhaarrocker> Edit your .rockbox/default.wps and add a line wit %pm
22.52.18 #       <dwihno_> %something in wps.config
22.52.22 #       <dwihno_> ya
22.52.30 #       <dwihno_> btw...
22.52.51 #       <dwihno_> I think all rockbox related data should be in .rockbox for future stuff (such as fonts, and rockbox specific data stuff)
22.52.58 #       <dwihno_> hiscore saving etc.
22.53.04 #       <Zagor> it will
22.53.26 #       <TotMacher> i cannnot create a diretroy called ".rockbox"
22.53.27 #       <dwihno_> I can always count on you :D
22.53.41 #       <dwihno_> TotMacher: mkdir x:\.rockbox (in that DOS prompt thingy)
22.53.50 #       <TotMacher> what a shit
22.54.11 #       <dwihno_> perhaps the file reading code is nagging about upper and lowercase file stuff?
22.55.29 #       <TotMacher> ahh
22.55.30 #       <TotMacher> nice
22.56.24 #       <TotMacher> where is the wps help html file ?
22.56.52 #       <langhaarrocker> http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html
22.57.05 #       <langhaarrocker> there's a link from the faqs
22.57.12 #       <TotMacher> ahh
22.57.13 #       <TotMacher> ok thx
22.57.22 #       <langhaarrocker> and a request by zagor to update the manual
23.00.47 Nick    dwihno_ is now known as dwihno|gone (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE)
23.00.47 DBUG    Enqueued KICK dwihno|gone
23.00.48 #       <dwihno|gone> Gotta sleep
23.00.51 #       <dwihno|gone> Zagor: hire me ;D
23.00.58 #       <Zagor> :-)
23.01.06 #       <dwihno|gone> I'll do coffee for you! :)
23.01.11 #       <dwihno|gone> Just get me off this shitty job
23.01.14 #       <dwihno|gone> I'll even do HTML! :D
23.01.25 #       <Zagor> i have some spare change laying around here. you can have that...
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23.01.48 #       * dwihno|gone takes his place next to the rullstols-bingolotto-försäljar-dude in centraltunneln
23.01.56 #       <dwihno|gone> "will do HTML for food and shelter"
23.02.05 #       <TotMacher> why does rockbox not load the new default.wps when i stop USB ?
23.02.52 #       <Zagor> because it only does that at boot
23.03.09 #       <Zagor> we should probably do it after usb too, but we don't
23.03.16 #       <TotMacher> yes
23.03.24 #       <Phantom> QUESTION: what software do I need to build my own firmware ?
23.03.25 #       <TotMacher> you should, when i change it
23.03.28 #       <TotMacher> i cannot access
23.03.50 #       <TotMacher> does conditonal in WPS cover more than 1 line ?
23.03.56 #       <Zagor> TotMacher: no
23.04.00 #       <langhaarrocker> cant you update your wps by just selecting it from the browser?
23.04.00 #       <Zagor> Phantom: gcc
23.04.00 #       <TotMacher> hmm
23.04.30 #       <Phantom> this is command line program, no ?
23.05.39 #       <Zagor> Phantom: yes
23.06.17 #       <TotMacher> not becaus i cannot access the rockbox directory
23.06.34 Quit    xam ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/1]")
23.07.19 #       <Zagor> TotMacher: turn off "dir filter" and turn on "show hidden files"
23.07.29 #       <TotMacher> hmm
23.07.30 #       <TotMacher> ok
23.10.17 Join    Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-34-21-184.mia.bellsouth.net)
23.11.58 #       <TotMacher> a VERY important 
23.12.01 #       <TotMacher> WPS tag
23.12.03 #       <TotMacher> is
23.12.10 #       <TotMacher> langhaarrocker ?
23.12.17 #       <langhaarrocker> yes?
23.12.22 #       <TotMacher> maybe you could include this
23.12.26 #       <TotMacher> i need two tags
23.12.27 #       <TotMacher> one
23.12.29 #       <TotMacher> for
23.12.49 #       <TotMacher> the filename until a "-"
23.12.57 #       <TotMacher> and the filename after the "-"
23.12.59 #       <TotMacher> two tags
23.13.05 #       <TotMacher> to parse
23.13.10 #       <langhaarrocker> that sound like regular expressions
23.13.10 #       <TotMacher> filenames
23.13.11 #       <TotMacher> like
23.13.14 #       <TotMacher> yes
23.13.30 #       <TotMacher> heino - haselnuss
23.13.34 #       <TotMacher> i need one string
23.13.35 #       <TotMacher> for
23.13.37 #       <Phantom> VIVA CYGWIN
23.13.40 #       <TotMacher> which includes
23.13.44 #       <TotMacher> "heino"
23.13.46 #       <TotMacher> and one
23.13.47 #       <TotMacher> with
23.13.50 #       <TotMacher> "haselnuss"
23.13.57 #       <TotMacher> most of the songs
23.14.04 #       <TotMacher> names in this shema
23.14.10 #       <TotMacher> named
23.14.14 #       <langhaarrocker> Let me guess: And you want that to update your mp3 tags?
23.14.23 #       <TotMacher> hmm
23.14.24 #       <TotMacher> no
23.14.29 #       <TotMacher> if there is no
23.14.37 #       <TotMacher> artist name in tag available
23.14.41 #       <TotMacher> i want to display
23.14.47 #       <TotMacher> the parsed filename
23.14.48 #       <TotMacher> in WPS
23.14.55 #       <TotMacher> and if there is no title
23.14.58 #       <TotMacher> i want to display
23.15.03 #       <TotMacher> the last part of the filename
23.15.12 #       <TotMacher> understand ?
23.15.24 #       <dwihno|gone> yeah, and parse the stuff between ( and ) too :)
23.15.47 #       <langhaarrocker> So roughly, yes. But actually I don't feel addicted to that job. I'm just working towards a split editor. Reading out volume info was on that way. 
23.16.40 #       <TotMacher> ok
23.16.42 #       <TotMacher> hmm
23.16.45 #       <TotMacher> schade :(
23.16.51 #       <TotMacher> that is soo simple
23.16.55 #       <TotMacher> but i cant do it
23.17.18 #       <langhaarrocker> I haven't played much with the wps but there are conditional things already included. Are you sure that can't be done with that?
23.17.30 Nick    edx is now known as edx|tv (~edx@pD9EAB847.dip.t-dialin.net)
23.17.35 #       <TotMacher> NO!
23.17.40 #       <TotMacher> there is no tag Parsing
23.17.42 #       <TotMacher> included
23.17.47 #       <Phantom> Is there one of Rockbox Team "big boss"'s ?
23.17.50 #       <TotMacher> only check if tag is filled or not
23.17.54 #       <TotMacher> yes
23.17.55 #       <TotMacher> me
23.18.17 #       <Phantom> Can I make a french web site about rockbox ?
23.18.28 #       <TotMacher> all the program shit and rest of rockbox is done by zagor
23.18.29 #       <TotMacher> hehe
23.18.29 #       <TotMacher> no
23.18.32 #       <TotMacher> ask zagot
23.18.35 #       <TotMacher> zagor
23.18.37 #       <TotMacher> about that
23.18.40 #       <TotMacher> iam no the boss :)
23.18.50 #       <Phantom> GRrrr
23.19.23 #       * Phantom is a French "bad guy" : be carefull
23.19.27 #       <TotMacher> 10 wps lines for recorder ?
23.19.30 #       <langhaarrocker> If I was Zagor I'd only allow that after you've updated the manual :)
23.19.45 #       <TotMacher> i only see maximal 8 lines
23.19.55 #       <langhaarrocker> that's all there is
23.20.08 #       <Phantom> that is why I want to make a french page, to make a "full" manual
23.20.25 #       <Zagor> Phantom: why a french site? it will always be out-of-date
23.20.40 #       <langhaarrocker> like french firmware? ;)
23.20.47 #       <Phantom> Yes
23.20.50 #       <Phantom> BUT
23.21.12 #       <TotMacher> the english page is also always out of date
23.21.14 #       <TotMacher> so
23.21.18 #       <Phantom> Don't need to have all "beta" releases
23.21.20 #       <TotMacher> french will be horrible :)
23.21.35 #       <Phantom> Just "Important" things
23.21.45 #       <Phantom> and a full "french" firmware
23.23.20 #       <TotMacher> i will do a german one
23.23.27 #       <TotMacher> echte deutsche FIRMWARE
23.23.34 #       <TotMacher> lecker leberwurst
23.23.48 #       <Zagor> Phantom: i don't like it. it will only add more confusion.
23.24.04 #       <Zagor> a french translation of the manual is fine, but it should be on the official site
23.24.11 #       <Phantom> ok
23.24.48 #       <Phantom> I should become one of the "Frenchie Rockbox team member" lol
23.25.22 #       <TotMacher> is conditonal recursive ?
23.25.36 #       <Phantom> arf
23.25.37 #       <Zagor> TotMacher: you can use it recursively, yes
23.25.41 #       <TotMacher> yes
23.25.41 #       <TotMacher> rox
23.25.47 #       <TotMacher> rockbox roxx
23.25.48 #       <TotMacher> :)
23.29.32 #       <TotMacher> custom wps rox :)
23.35.33 #       <Phantom> is there other prog than gcc to compile rockbox ? (visuel c++ , and so on...)
23.35.50 #       <Zagor> Phantom: visual can only create windows programs
23.36.06 #       <Zagor> for 80x86 processors
23.36.34 #       <Phantom> lol, but may be something near
23.36.49 #       <Zagor> gcc is near. it's the compiler to use.
23.37.32 #       <Phantom> ok
23.38.07 #       <Phantom> and : how to use it under windows ? (I ve linux but i m boring in reboot)
23.38.31 #       <Zagor> http://rockbox.haxx.se/sh-win/
23.38.54 #       <Phantom> your my hero
23.40.03 #       <Phantom> you 're my hero
23.40.10 #       <Phantom> OUCH !
23.40.13 #       <Phantom> 35 mo
23.40.39 #       <Zagor> about 1/10 of visual
23.41.14 #       <langhaarrocker> Do we have any wps tags that have parameters (besides the conditional)?
23.41.32 #       <Phantom> youpi, superb tutorial
23.41.57 #       <Phantom> a french version a rockbox should be out sooner
23.42.00 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: no
23.42.26 #       <Phantom> 60ko/s : fast download
23.43.33 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: I assume it is not desired to have any persistence saving in the *.wps files, right?
23.43.46 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: right
23.45.30 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: how would clearrect/fillrect be faster than draw/clearline?
23.45.39 #       <Zagor> (reading your osc source)
23.46.20 #       <langhaarrocker> Because drawline transfers pixel by pixel but drawing a rect can transfer 8 pixels at once while vertical / horizontal.
23.46.35 #       <Zagor> but you only draw one pixel high
23.46.59 #       <langhaarrocker> one pixel wide
23.47.13 #       <Zagor> the lcd buffer bytes are arranged vertically. so 8 pixels wide is 8 different bytes.
23.47.35 #       <langhaarrocker> yes
23.48.05 #       <Zagor> which means drawing 8 pixels wide always means 8 separate byte writes. and thus no gain using drawrect().
23.48.37 #       <langhaarrocker> but i also must fill the rect
23.48.50 #       <langhaarrocker> did I use drawrect or fillrect?
23.48.51 #       <Zagor> which rect? it's a single pixel line, isn't it?
23.49.10 #       <langhaarrocker> That's just for the max values
23.49.26 #       <langhaarrocker> There's really no necessity for that to be fillrect
23.50.27 #       <langhaarrocker> Ah, yep I see: it's 'historical'. I started off drawing only one channel and then the line was 8 pixel high. Fillrect might have drawn them at once.
23.51.46 #       <Zagor> ok, so now you can use drawline?
23.52.02 #       <langhaarrocker> yes
23.52.09 #       <Zagor> good
23.52.21 #       <langhaarrocker> I always intended to write an optimized draw_v_line / draw_h_line
23.52.45 #       <langhaarrocker> But then I got my brain twisted and couldn't draw straight lines at all...
23.53.16 #       <Zagor> haha
23.55.38 #       <Zagor> drawline isn't that slow anyway. it's just a couple of extra variable assignments.
23.56.14 Join    tot|n8 [0] (tot@p5084A926.dip.t-dialin.net)
23.56.24 #       <tot|n8> is %s include in conditonal ?
23.56.28 #       <langhaarrocker> But especially when drawing vertical lines you could reduce the loop to 1/8 at best
23.56.32 #       <Phantom> I've build my first FIRMWARE !!!
23.56.38 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: please submit next patch as one file instead of several
23.56.41 #       <langhaarrocker> Phantom: congrats:
23.56.57 #       <Phantom> Now : is it work ?...
23.57.01 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: I'd have done it but my cvs didn't
23.57.16 #       <Zagor> tot|n8: ?
23.57.40 #       <tot|n8> can i include %s in a conditonal
23.57.49 #       <tot|n8> eg i want to let scroll the first line
23.57.52 #       <tot|n8> if tag is found
23.57.53 #       <tot|n8> else
23.57.56 #       <tot|n8> scroll second line
23.58.02 #       <Phantom> first thing I've done : had my name in Credits ;-)
23.58.04 #       <Zagor> ah. i don't know, actually
23.58.25 #       <langhaarrocker> Phantom: Then you have achieved more than me ;)
23.58.32 #       <PsycoXul> btw, i think that %s should scroll whatever comes after it and leave what comes before it stay solid [similar to how the cursor and icon stay while the filename scrolls in the browser], that way you can do things like %pp%s%it
23.58.34 #       <Phantom> lol