--- Log for 18.09.102  Server: brunner.openprojects.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.00.03 #       <tot|n8> give up credits for more BUFFERRAM !
00.00.04 #       <tot|n8> :)
00.00.30 #       <Phantom> be carefull : I m a new chalenger 
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00.01.13 #       <Zagor> PsycoXul: neat idea. send me your patch! ;-P
00.01.18 #       <PsycoXul> hehe
00.03.33 #       <PsycoXul> or when the scrolling ability gets more powerful, %sN n being the number of chars to scroll the following stuff in would be cool... so if you wanted your title to scroll accross 4 chars and artist to scroll across the next 4 chars you could do %s4%it%s4%ia or whatever :p
00.04.16 #       <tot|n8> ahh
00.04.25 #       <tot|n8> I just want more than one line to scroll
00.04.31 #       <tot|n8> then i am happy .)
00.04.49 #       <PsycoXul> but yeah i'll take a look at the code to see about the first one some time if nobody beats me to it
00.04.57 #       <Zagor> PsycoXul: "chars" is an obsolete concept now...
00.05.21 #       <PsycoXul> Zagor: how so?
00.05.32 #       <Zagor> proportional fonts
00.05.43 #       <tot|n8> nice
00.05.49 #       <tot|n8> %s is include in conditonal
00.05.49 #       <PsycoXul> just cause they can have variable width doesn't make them not chars
00.06.00 #       <PsycoXul> and players don't have prop fonts anyways
00.06.43 #       <PsycoXul> though i can see how that 2nd idea could be a little messy with propfonts anyways
00.06.47 #       <Zagor> PsycoXul: no but they don't take up a fixed space, that's what I mean. so the concept of chars as screen space unit is obsolete
00.07.04 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: do you want me to resend the volume meter patch with drawline instead of drawrect?
00.07.15 #       <PsycoXul> perhaps the specification could be pixels for the recorder
00.07.27 #       <PsycoXul> or percentage of the screen width...
00.07.30 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: ah, this explains the confusion. i was discussing the oscilloscope code :-)
00.07.45 #       <Zagor> oscillograph
00.08.08 #       <Zagor> PsycoXul: i question the usefulness...
00.08.52 #       <PsycoXul> it would be a nice thing to have especialy on players where every trick to make the most of the screen helps... 
00.09.08 #       <PsycoXul> but if it would be too much code then it's probably not worth it
00.09.13 #       <PsycoXul> especialy for recorders
00.09.27 #       <PsycoXul> maybe it could be just a char-based player-only feature?
00.09.50 #       <PsycoXul> *shrug*
00.11.28 #       <Zagor> the code would probably be a bit messy
00.11.39 #       <Zagor> but I won't reject the idea before I've seen it
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00.15.00 #       <tot|n8> the osc is really nice
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00.15.34 #       <langhaarrocker> But zagor doesn't like me filling rects :(
00.15.52 #       <Zagor> not when you don't need to
00.16.00 #       <TotMacher> what ?
00.16.05 #       <TotMacher> is the code SHIT ?
00.16.13 #       <Zagor> haha, no
00.16.15 #       <TotMacher> i dont want SHIT code on my jukebox
00.16.30 #       <TotMacher> :)
00.16.32 #       <langhaarrocker> it was about filling rects, not about emptying rectums
00.17.58 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: i don't like that button_get_w_tmo(1)
00.18.13 #       <langhaarrocker> in the osci?
00.18.28 #       <Zagor> no, now i'm looking at the peak meter
00.18.36 #       <Zagor> sorry for being confusing :-)
00.18.41 #       <langhaarrocker> I don't like it either
00.18.59 #       <langhaarrocker> But somehow I had to increase the frame rate. Better ideas are welcome
00.20.30 #       <langhaarrocker> btw I don't like where I'm initializing that global_settings.peak_meter_release either.
00.20.45 #       <Zagor> you should at the very least use a timeout as long as the peak_meter setting
00.20.51 #       <TotMacher> i want a second WPS screen
00.21.01 #       <Zagor> but even then, this will eat a lot of cpu :-(
00.21.20 #       <Zagor> TotMacher: not a bad idea
00.21.29 #       <TotMacher> for
00.21.37 #       <TotMacher> detailed mp3 infp
00.21.38 #       <TotMacher> info
00.21.38 #       <Zagor> enter it as a feature request
00.21.44 #       <TotMacher> nah
00.21.57 #       <TotMacher> i will bother you here
00.21.59 #       <TotMacher> with that :)
00.22.14 #       <Zagor> yeah, that'll make it happen a lot faster :-)
00.22.18 #       <TotMacher> allday and always
00.22.24 #       <TotMacher> YES
00.22.31 #       <TotMacher> i know how development works
00.22.32 #       <TotMacher> :)
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00.23.44 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: if you're talking about the global_settings.peak_meter_release - No: that time can't be used because it's only to keep the 'highscore peak' values and that is a user adjustable time that may be serveral seconds.
00.24.19 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: ok, but you still don't need to update the wps 100 times/sec, so the timeout should be longer
00.24.28 #       <TotMacher> please let sokoban remind the last LEVEL
00.24.51 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: I'll fiddle a bit to find an acceptalbe value.
00.24.58 #       <TotMacher> horrible on toilet alway going to the last one
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00.27.05 #       <TotMacher> ok
00.27.07 #       <TotMacher> good n8
00.27.14 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: you realize that the peak meter effectively kills any chance of ever going into low-power mode?
00.27.30 #       <elinenbe|out> nick elinenbe
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00.27.51 #       <elinenbe> who cares about low power mode.  peak meter is cool! :)
00.28.08 #       <elinenbe> how does Archos do peak meter with long battery life?
00.28.10 #       <Zagor> maybe. but 100% cpu use is very uncool
00.28.17 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: they don't have long battery life
00.28.39 #       <Zagor> we already outlast them by an hour or so
00.29.05 #       <Zagor> low-power mode could add another hour to that
00.29.47 #       <langhaarrocker> I'm aware of it. Maybe we should introduce some short cut that turns off any superfluous activity. Something like peak meter is no 1 to shut off since it also requires intensive communication with other devices.
00.31.09 #       <langhaarrocker> But you're right: I could skip the weirded button loop if the volume meter is disabled and not used in wps.
00.31.41 #       <Zagor> yes
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00.32.50 #       <langhaarrocker> Well - maybe I'll skip it tomorrow.
00.35.08 #       <langhaarrocker> btw 100% cpu use == uncool: According to Watt that's a physical law. ;)
00.35.51 #       <Zagor> hehe
00.53.46 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: do you want me to change the osci to draw_line?
00.53.52 #       <Zagor> yes
00.54.23 #       <langhaarrocker> want me to mail it?
00.54.32 #       <Zagor> yup
00.55.50 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor at haxx.se?
00.56.01 #       <Zagor> yep
00.57.44 #       <langhaarrocker> on it's way
00.57.58 #       <Zagor> got it
00.58.01 #       <elinenbe> email it to the list :)
00.58.06 #       <elinenbe> that is fun
00.58.18 #       <langhaarrocker> It's no visual difference
01.00.44 #       <langhaarrocker> I'm gonna catch some rest.
01.00.53 #       <elinenbe> I know.
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01.25.46 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: I hope you haven't commited the osci yet?
01.25.58 #       <langhaarrocker> I had a bug that reoccured.
01.27.09 #       <Zagor> nope, haven't committed
01.27.14 #       <langhaarrocker> (uff)
01.29.28 #       <Zagor> i'm going to bed. see you tomorrow.
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01.29.39 #       <langhaarrocker> night
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08.38.21 #       <Schnueff> moin
08.38.43 #       <dwihno> good morning
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09.06.28 #       <bobTHC> hi all!
09.06.43 #       <langhaarrocker> same to you!
09.08.31 #       <dwihno> :O
09.08.36 #       <dwihno> The langhaar rocker!
09.08.53 #       <langhaarrocker> hey! That's me! :)
09.09.54 #       <langhaarrocker> Are you working on something interesting?
09.11.56 #       <bobTHC> I'm working on the francais.lang file... but quelzaruc didn't submit the complete *.lang file 
09.12.25 #       <bobTHC> i think he submit it this day
09.13.59 #       <langhaarrocker> Even though I think internationalization is a really good thing somehow I tend to stick to the english versions of software.
09.14.11 #       <Schnueff> yes me too
09.16.26 #       <langhaarrocker> Why the *$& do we want to save energy? Saving energy and having a volume meter are XOR.
09.18.49 #       <Hes> Some people want a volume meter a lot... it's cool
09.19.07 #       <dwihno> langhaarrocker: have you gotten the meter smoothened? :)
09.19.09 #       <Hes> Some people want to save energy to the maximum... it's easy to switch between the two.
09.20.06 #       <Schnueff> yes
09.20.21 #       <Schnueff> yes yes yes
09.20.21 #       <Schnueff> :)
09.21.34 #       <langhaarrocker> If you want a volume meter you have to read out the mas as often as possible because otherwise you might skip the peaks. Then you have a toy that still might look smooth but has absolutely no use for detecting the interesting things.
09.21.58 #       <dwihno> if it looks jumpy, who wants to use it? :)
09.22.46 #       <langhaarrocker> Its worse: it doesn't look jumpy but doesn't reveal the peaks. So you get the impression it worked fine but it doesn't.
09.28.01 #       <langhaarrocker> I really am thinkig about going berserk and have a tick thread that just reads out the mas but that doesn't visualize the peak meter. This tick thread would be switched off if no volume meter is used and visualisation could be just as fast to make it look smooth.
09.28.51 #       <langhaarrocker> But Zagor will beat me for that idea.
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09.31.19 #       <Schnueff> for me that sounds ok, since the tick thread doesnt mess with visualization
09.31.22 #       <quelsaruk> hi
09.32.15 #       <langhaarrocker> At least I'll try that.
09.33.21 #       <langhaarrocker> quelsaruk: Always when reading your nickname I somehow have to think Quetsalcoatl.
09.33.32 #       <quelsaruk> langhaarrocker: you were the one who made the wormlet game?
09.33.40 #       <quelsaruk> hahaha
09.33.41 #       <langhaarrocker> yes
09.34.27 #       <quelsaruk> this nick comes from another place... it's a extrange language.. means aprox. "sword master" 
09.34.39 #       <Schnueff> *fear*
09.36.04 #       <quelsaruk> the story is quite large... adn very strange
09.37.08 #       <langhaarrocker> do you now want the wormlets to fight each other with swords?
09.37.15 #       <Schnueff> heh
09.37.22 #       <quelsaruk> hehe
09.37.25 #       <quelsaruk> more or less
09.37.35 #       <quelsaruk> any weapon should fit
09.37.54 #       <quelsaruk> i suppose they would like bows instead
09.37.58 #       <quelsaruk> :)
09.38.12 #       <langhaarrocker> And use themselves as arrows?
09.38.38 #       <quelsaruk> yea
09.38.47 #       <quelsaruk> that's the idea
09.38.48 #       <quelsaruk> :)
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09.59.26 #       <bobTHC> quelsaruk : the lang file is ok ?
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09.59.50 #       <tot|n8> hi
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10.00.14 #       <TotMacher> why does it take more than 8 hours until my jukebox says battery charged ?
10.00.45 #       <langhaarrocker> Is the battery of you watch weak? ;)
10.04.54 #       <TotMacher> hehe
10.05.07 #       <TotMacher> these are NEW
10.05.11 #       <TotMacher> what a fuck
10.05.17 #       <TotMacher> i want li-io
10.06.15 #       <langhaarrocker> I'm glad I can use standard NiMh. 
10.06.43 #       <TotMacher> do they have memory effect ?
10.06.59 #       <langhaarrocker> yes. Not as much as NiCd but they do.
10.07.18 #       <TotMacher> i put them on yesterday night
10.07.24 #       <TotMacher> now they are still charging
10.07.27 #       <TotMacher> that suxx
10.07.28 #       <TotMacher> big
10.07.47 #       <langhaarrocker> with the archor firmware loading alg?
10.08.11 #       <TotMacher> lo
10.08.12 #       <TotMacher> no
10.08.15 #       <TotMacher> i put it off
10.08.20 #       <TotMacher> then put the loading stick in
10.08.22 #       <TotMacher> so
10.08.24 #       <TotMacher> archos
10.08.36 #       <TotMacher> ah
10.08.39 #       <TotMacher> now
10.08.40 #       <TotMacher> charged
10.08.42 #       <TotMacher> but
10.08.45 #       <TotMacher> still too long
10.08.49 #       <TotMacher> much too long
10.09.16 #       <TotMacher> ok
10.09.24 #       <TotMacher> i have to go
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10.09.47 #       <Schnueff> fully charged he leaves
10.09.51 #       <Schnueff> :)
10.10.11 #       <langhaarrocker> He needed as many lines as his archos needed time for loading.
10.10.20 #       <Schnueff> heh
10.10.39 #       <Schnueff> hm setting backlight from off to smth other has a long reaction time
10.11.32 #       <langhaarrocker> I suspect the backlight thing to be buggy. Somehow I didn't manage to turn the light on permanently.
10.11.50 #       <Schnueff> hm that worked for me i think
10.11.53 #       <Schnueff> let me try once more
10.12.09 #       <langhaarrocker> And then connect / disconnect usb -> light off.
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10.12.51 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: did I send you a mail without attachment?
10.13.07 #       <Schnueff> hm light is off already
10.13.12 #       <Zagor> dunno. still going through the mail.
10.13.17 #       <langhaarrocker> k
10.15.16 #       <langhaarrocker> Does using the I²C bus from within an interrupt mandatorily result in CPUAdrEr?
10.15.16 #       <langhaarrocker> (and now listen to Zagor scream...) 
10.16.15 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: a cpu error is always a bug, but what you are trying to do is too :-)
10.17.01 #       <Schnueff> would a setting 'backlight always on when plugged' make sense for u?
10.17.15 #       <Schnueff> so one doesnt have to fiddle with the times so much
10.17.45 #       <Zagor> Schnueff: that's a requested feature. it will probably be implemented sooner or later.
10.18.41 #       <Schnueff> charger_inserted() worx on all models?
10.18.59 #       <Schnueff> hm maybe only with CHARGE_CTRL
10.19.11 #       <Zagor> exactly
10.20.56 #       <quel|out> Zagor: i had to modify a bit the bouncer demo to make it the same way as the rest of the code, i mean, i had to remove the SS_TITLE macro and include a new variable. Is that ok?
10.22.09 #       <Zagor> quel|out: the demos don't need to be localized. they are just test code.
10.22.41 #       <langhaarrocker> for testint internationalization?
10.22.42 #       <Zagor> but if you've already done it, I guess it's fine
10.23.06 #       <Schnueff> hehe, maybe we localize RockBox into SteinKiste for germans? :)
10.23.51 #       <langhaarrocker> And if you translate that back you sooner or later end with Stonge Henge
10.24.54 #       <quel|out> Zagor: i can ignore this changes, just delete some lines and close bounce.c without changes :)
10.24.57 #       <Zagor> we don't translate the Rockbox name.
10.26.17 #       <langhaarrocker> Will rockbox support chinese?
10.26.34 #       <Zagor> who knows :-)
10.26.34 #       <adi|home> only possibly on the recorder ;)
10.26.40 #       <adi|home> cant see it ever working on the player :)
10.30.14 #       <Zagor> "I am so completely blown away, it is like magic."
10.30.38 #       <langhaarrocker> nah thats exaggeration
10.31.49 #       <langhaarrocker> 'blown away' can't impress me. I'm waiting for 'blown up'
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10.34.42 #       <langhaarrocker> batteries empty again?
10.35.46 #       <TotMacher> yes :)
10.36.31 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: i don't see any mail from you
10.36.57 #       <langhaarrocker> That problem is solvable.
10.39.57 #       <langhaarrocker> gosh- seems it was late yesterday. I mixed up Zagor and Linus mail adresses.
10.41.07 #       <Zagor> haha
10.42.38 #       <quel|out> sokoban is sokoban in every language?
10.42.56 #       <quel|out> here in spain we don't have a tranlation for that game...
10.43.07 #       <Zagor> yes. i think sokoban is japanese or something
10.43.08 #       <Schnueff> yes thats ok
10.43.15 #       <quel|out> fiuuuu
10.43.40 #       <quel|out> yesterday, when i went to sleep i could only see C code
10.43.51 #       <quel|out> it was like matrix.. searching text strings
10.44.42 #       <bobTHC> when u submit the lang file quelsaruk ?
10.45.54 #       <quel|out> have to finish sokoban and worlmet files...
10.46.11 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: We can't have both a usable volume meter and power saving at once. When I reduce the 'frame rate' it still looks smooth but skips all relevant peak info. I think I now will go back to threaded peak reading but draw the meter separately. 
10.46.31 #       <bobTHC> ok 
10.47.25 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: we'll probably have to give up power saving when peak meter is used.
10.47.35 #       <Zagor> so conditional code is a must
10.47.39 #       <langhaarrocker> yes
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10.48.13 #       <Zagor> yo, the limp!
10.48.35 #       <LinusN> yup
10.48.45 #       <LinusN> dwihno: you there?
10.48.48 #       <dwihno> *nods*
10.48.53 #       <LinusN> coming this evening?
10.48.58 #       <dwihno> hm. dunno
10.49.01 #       <dwihno> would be pretty neat :)
10.49.03 #       <LinusN> dunno????
10.49.14 #       <dwihno> When & where?
10.49.37 #       <LinusN> http://www.haxx.se/home/snaxx/
10.50.47 #       <dwihno> I am 23 yrs old and the rest of you are ... old :)
10.51.07 #       <dwihno> I would feel like a dagisbarn on the universitet
10.51.19 #       <bobTHC> wizard are always old ;)
10.51.21 #       <langhaarrocker> Just flip the digits...
10.51.38 #       <dwihno> :-)
10.51.50 #       <dwihno> LinusN: will there be any job scouts there? ;D
10.54.50 #       <langhaarrocker> what happens when a thread quits? Any clean up necessary?
10.57.14 #       <Zagor> we never exit threads...
10.57.36 #       <Zagor> what's your plan, busy read and 10Hz draw?
10.57.52 #       <langhaarrocker> and make max while busy read
10.58.22 #       <langhaarrocker> That will _reduce_ the risc of loosing peaks
10.58.59 #       <quel|out> dwihno: you are not the youngest one :P
11.00.31 #       <LinusN> dwihno: come if you want, or stay home and have a boring evening if you want
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11.04.37 #       <langhaarrocker> are there any plans for acustic fonts? :)
11.05.06 #       <Zagor> we had an idea using a dir full of word.mp3 to read out song titles...
11.05.30 #       <quel|out> zagor, does the .lang file accept comments?
11.05.42 #       <Zagor> quel|out: yes
11.05.57 #       <quel|out> starting with #?
11.06.08 #       <Zagor> exactly
11.06.18 #       <dwihno> LinusN: well, I'll perhaps stop by, and shout "Oh Rockboxers, where art thou!" :-)
11.06.52 #       <quel|out> ok, langhaarrocker made a good job at the wormlet code and want to paste his instructions :)
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11.27.56 #       <LinusN> From funmp3players.com: "But seriously... in our defence... the Rockbox site ain't easy to understand"
11.28.06 #       <LinusN> what is hard?
11.28.29 #       <Zagor> too much information :-)
11.29.06 #       <LinusN> you want to file a bug report? Try selecting "bug reports" from the menu!
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11.30.54 #       <Bagder> hey ho
11.31.05 #       <LinusN> yo Bagder!
11.32.35 #       <adi|home> someone want to check my spelling here...
11.32.42 #       <adi|home> is it 'transmition'?
11.32.47 #       <adi|home> ie: to send a file to someone
11.32.56 #       <adi|home> or transmittion?
11.33.00 #       <Zagor> transmission
11.33.15 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
11.33.15 #       * adi|home sighs
11.33.17 #       <adi|home> thank you..
11.33.19 #       <adi|home> much tired..
11.33.26 #       * adi|home is noticing a pattern here
11.34.47 #       <Zagor> adi|home: what?
11.35.58 #       <adi|home> i stay up late..
11.36.00 #       <adi|home> i get tired
11.36.06 #       <adi|home> and all hell breaks loose :)
11.37.23 #       <dwihno> http://crazy.codetroop.com/randimg/?msengineers.jpg
11.51.10 #       <LinusN> maybe it isn't very smart to use all 8 bits in an RTC byte for booleans
11.51.28 #       <Zagor> hehe
11.51.34 #       <LinusN> because:
11.51.38 #       <LinusN>         if (config_block[0xe] != 0xFF) {
11.52.08 #       <LinusN> if all bools are true they will be reset to defaults
11.53.28 #       <LinusN> do we really need the total uptime in RTC?
11.56.14 #       <Zagor> no, that's just for fun
11.56.18 Nick    Zagor is now known as Zagor|lunch (~bjst@uranus.contactor.se)
12.06.20 #       <quel|out> wow!
12.06.34 #       <LinusN> wow?
12.06.37 #       <quel|out> finished changing all text strings
12.06.38 #       <quel|out> :)
12.07.35 #       <quel|out> submiting changes to the mail list
12.10.37 #       <quel|out> Bagder: i tried to make all ids to match the text string and os on, but sometimes it is imposible.. plese check it and modify what you want :)
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12.59.38 Nick    Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor (~bjst@uranus.contactor.se)
13.00.08 #       <dwihno> Zagor: Teach me your ninja tricks to fight spam! :/
13.00.19 #       <dwihno> I get 100+ mails of spam every week!
13.00.20 #       <Zagor> report all offenders
13.00.34 #       <Zagor> quel|out: your mail was too big. compress the patch.
13.08.01 #       <Schnueff> or use spam assassin
13.09.21 #       <dwihno> Spam assassin? Sounds effective :)
13.10.16 #       <Schnueff> (eh, if u mail goes through some unix server with procmail and perl)
13.10.21 #       <Schnueff> u=your
13.10.37 #       <dwihno> mkay
13.10.58 #       <Bagder> mail that don't go through a unix machine should be ignored ;-)
13.11.06 #       <Schnueff> :)
13.12.45 #       <dwihno> You damn unix nerds! :)
13.12.50 #       <LinusN> Bagder: that, and HTML-formatted mails
13.12.53 #       <dwihno> I bet you got a 2 meter long beard!
13.13.06 #       <Bagder> dwihno: you wanna get rid of the spams or not? B)
13.13.37 #       <dwihno> Bagder: I ment that in a good way, i Mean, you gotta wear the 'man' printouts somewhere :)
13.13.51 #       * Bagder smiles
13.13.58 #       <LinusN> dwihno: the rockbox t-shirt says it all
13.14.09 #       * Bagder wears his "bow before me because I am root" tshirt today
13.14.10 #       <dwihno> LinusN: which what?
13.14.13 #       <dwihno> :-)
13.14.44 #       <dwihno> hey, aren't you supposed to announce the winner?
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13.14.51 #       * LinusN wears his rockbox t-shirt today
13.14.58 #       <Bagder> dwihno: tomorrow is the plan
13.15.05 #       <dwihno> Bagder: awww... you evil dude!
13.15.14 #       <dwihno> Tomorrow is so far away! :)
13.15.18 Nick    seb-sleep is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net)
13.15.24 #       * Hes can't wait.
13.15.38 #       <dwihno> How did you mass produce the shirts?
13.15.44 #       <LinusN> we haven't
13.15.53 #       <LinusN> i just made one for myself
13.15.55 #       <dwihno> hah
13.15.59 #       <dwihno> I'll make myself one then
13.16.15 #       <dwihno> "Bagder has a 2 feet beard"
13.16.16 #       <dwihno> :-)
13.16.25 #       <dwihno> (and yeah, Rockbox-good-something)
13.16.45 #       <LinusN> dwihno: you can see his beard for yourself this evening
13.17.08 #       <dwihno> hah
13.17.26 #       <dwihno> My mother told me never to meet those crazy "internet people" :)
13.27.36 #       <Zagor> i really don't understand why florian refuses to grasp the concept...
13.28.05 #       <LinusN> maybe he thinks that we will generate the .lang files from the strings in the source
13.28.26 #       <Bagder> I suggest we just ignore him ;-)
13.28.30 #       <LinusN> i don't
13.28.40 #       * Bagder is a good ignorer
13.28.43 #       <Zagor> how on earth did he come to that conclusion. i detailed very explicitly, in c code, how this will work
13.29.10 #       <Zagor> i think he simply does not read the mails
13.29.14 #       <LinusN> "Identifiers generated this way can be easily converted back to the 
13.29.14 #       <LinusN> original string but are still good readable.
13.29.14 #       <LinusN> "
13.29.19 #       <LinusN> why?
13.29.34 #       <Zagor> beats me. i'm responding to him now.
13.31.17 #       <LinusN> i already have
13.31.27 #       <LinusN> nicely
13.31.29 #       <Bagder> I won't
13.31.34 #       <Bagder> I've given up
13.32.25 #       <LinusN> i don't think we should ignore him
13.32.57 #       <LinusN> he puts great effort in this, he just doesn't understand what we want, and can't explain why he wants it differently
13.33.06 #       <Bagder> true
13.33.18 #       <Bagder> and he doesn't understand why we want it our way
13.33.25 #       <LinusN> true again
13.33.52 #       <Zagor> we should simply do it our way and then he will understand
13.37.35 #       <quel|out> Zagor: ok, compressing right now
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13.38.48 #       <Phantom> Bonjour, Salute, Hi, Holà
13.39.09 #       <Zagor> :-) hi
13.40.22 #       <dwihno> bienbenue!
13.40.26 #       <dwihno> hm
13.40.52 #       <dwihno> can't nobody convert the font data from the .C file? It's a hassle using the editor which keeps crashing on me :/
13.40.56 #       <dwihno> (propfont)
13.41.12 #       <Zagor> dwihno: i thought uwe (or was it olivier) did that?
13.41.14 #       <Bagder> yes it is certainly possible
13.41.23 #       <Bagder> Uwe did some work on it, yes
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13.41.36 #       <dwihno> Zagor: erhm, forgotten about that. I read something in the mailing list, but there were no links or such
13.42.21 #       <langhaarrocker> Has anybody heard of a smart way to do log calculations with integers?
13.42.42 #       <Schnueff> logarithm?
13.42.46 #       <Zagor> dwihno: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-09/0798.shtml
13.42.46 #       <langhaarrocker> yes
13.42.47 #       <Schnueff> hm
13.42.58 #       <Schnueff> base 2?
13.43.07 #       <langhaarrocker> no, base 10
13.43.34 #       <langhaarrocker> I want to scale linear volume info to dbfs
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13.44.32 #       <dwihno> Zagor: ah, okay...
13.45.01 #       <quel|out> Zagor: message sent
13.45.19 #       <langhaarrocker> The formula would be something like 20*log(sample/samplerange)
13.45.55 #       <Schnueff> maybe you can precompute a look-up table
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13.46.07 #       <langhaarrocker> that would become to large.
13.46.08 #       <Schnueff> if your peak meter is only a few pixels high, it mustnt have much entries
13.46.16 #       <Schnueff> i guess
13.46.35 #       <Zagor> much entries?
13.46.42 #       <langhaarrocker> many entries.
13.46.43 #       <Schnueff> many entries
13.46.44 #       <Schnueff> :)
13.46.51 #       <Zagor> ah, i get it. sorry :-)
13.46.58 #       <Zagor> slow context switch ;)
13.47.50 #       <langhaarrocker> no, I have to map a quite large range of samples into a small range of  db values. Thus the table remains large.
13.48.17 #       <langhaarrocker> But maybe there's some kind of preprocessing the sample values before mapping them with a table. I just can't thik of any.
13.49.52 #       <Phantom> zagor : how to compile a simulator under windows ?
13.50.28 #       <Zagor> good question :-)
13.50.37 #       <Phantom> cool
13.51.15 #       <langhaarrocker> You don't accidently have Visual C++?
13.52.40 #       <Phantom> I have (somewhere)
13.53.12 #       <Phantom> k, I've under stand
13.53.18 #       <Phantom> tks
13.53.24 #       <dwihno> btw, is it possible to load fonts on the fly yet?
13.53.46 #       <quel|out> must go
13.53.47 #       <quel|out> cu
13.53.52 #       <dwihno> cul8r
13.53.55 #       <Phantom> quel !!!
13.54.07 #       <Phantom> english.lang ?
13.54.33 #       <quel|out> sent to the mail list
13.54.46 #       <Phantom> ok, how to use it ?
13.55.08 #       <quel|out> you should wait until bagder and Zagor say it is ok
13.55.26 #       <Phantom> Grrr
13.55.34 #       <Zagor> we need to review the string IDs, but you can start translating the text
13.55.40 #       <Phantom> ok
13.55.42 #       <quel|out> zagor
13.55.47 #       <quel|out> has the mail arrived?
13.55.50 #       <Zagor> yes
13.56.11 #       <quel|out> ok
13.56.12 #       <quel|out> :)
13.56.24 #       <quel|out> tell me if i have to change anything
13.56.57 #       <quel|out> i'll come back in 2 hours :)
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13.57.33 #       <dwihno> mamma mu bygger koja.mp3 :-)
13.57.51 #       <Phantom> how many time do you need to review the string IDs ?
13.57.55 #       <LinusN> dwihno: var?
13.58.08 #       <Zagor> Phantom: until we are satisfied :-)
13.58.22 #       <dwihno> btw Linus, Bag and Zag, since you're using linux, are you all using underscores instead of spacing when naming files?
13.58.31 #       <LinusN> yes
13.58.32 #       <dwihno> LinusN: on my *drumroll* rockbox
13.58.35 #       <dwihno> how come?
13.58.38 #       <Bagder> I don't use spaces in file names
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13.58.47 #       <LinusN> spaces make a mess
13.58.49 #       <Bagder> for mp3s, I might though
13.58.57 #       <dwihno> "det är en koja, kråkan. barnen är så duktiga, dom har byggt en koja!"
13.58.58 #       <Zagor> i do in mp3 files, yes
13.59.00 #       <LinusN> yes, i do for mp3 files
13.59.11 #       <LinusN> dwihno: give it to me!
13.59.14 #       <Zagor> why would we use underscores just because we use linux?
13.59.32 #       <Schnueff> in shell when tab-completing, spaces get ugly backslashes
13.59.34 #       <LinusN> because Linux users have a clue
13.59.46 #       <Zagor> Schnueff: use quotes
13.59.47 #       <Schnueff> so i use not-backslashed chars for filenames preferably
13.59.55 #       <Schnueff> zagor: not when tab completing
14.00.00 #       <Zagor> yes, but mp3s are a different question
14.00.05 #       <Zagor> Schnueff: yes, when tab completing
14.00.27 #       <Schnueff> but thats an extra char to type
14.00.29 #       <Schnueff> (first quote)
14.00.37 #       <dwihno> LinusN: I hope for your own sake it's for your kids ;)
14.00.47 #       <Zagor> how often to you tab complete mp3 files?
14.00.51 #       <dwihno> otherwise, I'm not the only looney around this channel yet :D
14.00.51 #       <Schnueff> i use mpg123
14.00.54 #       <Schnueff> so quite often :)
14.01.21 #       <Zagor> well i hate silly underscores when the title has a space
14.01.26 #       <langhaarrocker> dwihno: I don't think non-looneys are around in this list
14.01.35 #       <Schnueff> its a matter of taste
14.01.46 #       <Schnueff> tags can give me the real names
14.01.48 #       <Zagor> Schnueff: do you rename all your mp3 files to have underscore instead?
14.01.55 #       <Schnueff> yes
14.02.01 #       <Zagor> on the archos to?
14.02.03 #       <Zagor> too?
14.02.14 #       <Schnueff> i dont change the names on archos
14.02.17 #       <Schnueff> so, yes
14.02.32 #       <LinusN> how about setting up a daily-build-bugs@cool.haxx.se list?
14.02.46 #       <Zagor> LinusN: ?
14.02.51 #       <LinusN> people tend to refrain from telling us about the daily build bugs
14.03.09 #       <LinusN> because Sourceforge is only for "official" releases
14.03.27 #       <LinusN> maybe not a list, but somewhere to post bug reports
14.03.35 #       <LinusN> on daily buildsa
14.04.13 #       <Zagor> we would drown
14.04.20 #       <LinusN> most rb users run daily builds because it is so long between the releases
14.04.34 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: you don't _have_ to read bug reports :)
14.06.12 #       <LinusN> any other suggestions?
14.07.02 #       <Zagor> we get plenty of bug reports on the mailing list. if we encourage users to post about every flaky daily build, we'd get everything twice or more.
14.08.18 #       <LinusN> true, i was just thinking...
14.11.24 #       * Phantom translate...
14.14.08 #       <bobTHC> too...
14.15.05 #       * Phantom translate in FRENCH
14.15.18 #       <dwihno> Une box les rox? :)
14.15.39 #       * bobTHC too
14.16.05 #       <Zagor> we have a translator competition :-)
14.16.09 #       <dwihno> :-)
14.16.29 #       <LinusN> dwihno: my DCC is out of order
14.16.41 #       <dwihno> LinusN: I'll fix0r to WWW, so you can cURL-grok it ;D
14.16.53 #       <LinusN> gr8t0r
14.17.24 #       <bobTHC> zagor : yesterday with pyvasene and this day with phantom!
14.17.29 #       * Zagor has updated the manual
14.17.37 #       <LinusN> Zagor is a hreo
14.17.39 #       <LinusN> hero
14.17.53 #       <Zagor> bobTHC: you french are enthusiastic! :-)
14.18.26 #       <langhaarrocker> that compensates for german lazyness
14.18.31 #       <bobTHC> ;)))
14.18.50 #       <Schnueff> yeah
14.19.15 #       <Phantom> remember : Archos is a french company
14.19.29 #       <Schnueff> yeah how do u pronounce btw?
14.19.34 #       <Schnueff> pronounce them
14.19.46 #       <Schnueff> arsho ?
14.19.50 #       <Schnueff> arscho? :)
14.20.04 #       <langhaarrocker> don't call me that again!
14.20.07 #       <Schnueff> hehe
14.20.22 #       <Schnueff> or is Archos happy when they get pronounced english?
14.20.31 #       <Phantom> no
14.20.43 #       <Zagor> i always pronounced it "ar-kos"
14.20.54 #       <LinusN> me too
14.21.08 #       <bobTHC> in french is ar-kos too!
14.21.11 #       <langhaarrocker> When buying a paraglider I almost bought one named arcus. But that would have been confusing.
14.21.14 #       <Schnueff> ok kewl
14.21.19 #       <Phantom> Ark-os to be exactly
14.21.33 #       <bobTHC> why ?
14.21.53 #       <Schnueff> stress on 1st syllable?
14.22.04 #       <Schnueff> anyway
14.22.26 #       <Phantom> coz arch is for "Architects"
14.23.24 #       <langhaarrocker> Will there be anyone else but me needing a log functionality in the rockbox?
14.23.50 #       <Phantom> why ?
14.24.07 #       <Zagor> log?
14.24.19 #       <langhaarrocker> Then I'd spend a little more time with it and put it somewhere like common.
14.24.23 #       <langhaarrocker> logarithm
14.24.57 #       <Zagor> ah. not likely. keep it locally for now.
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14.26.41 #       <langhaarrocker> So: now I'll print out some logarithm algos and read them in the bath tub. Probably I don't know more afterwards but at least I'll be clean.
14.27.02 #       <LinusN> :-)
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14.27.36 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: what exactly is play_selected option?
14.28.02 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: i had a hard time finding a good name for it
14.28.17 #       <LinusN> it plays the selected file in the browser, even when shuffle is on
14.28.36 #       <LinusN> but when disabled, it shuffles even the first file
14.28.45 #       <elinenbe> doesn't it already display this current behavior?
14.29.00 #       <LinusN> so people won't need those 1-second files first in their directories
14.29.21 #       <elinenbe> I see.
14.29.22 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: yes it is exactly as it is today, but now you can turn it off
14.29.56 #       <LinusN> we need a good descriptive name for it in the settings menu
14.30.01 #       <elinenbe> that is one that is going to have to be in the manual :)
14.30.17 #       <LinusN> i have an idea for the Recorder models
14.30.37 #       <LinusN> why not use the remaining space in the setting screen for a descriptive text
14.30.52 #       <elinenbe> how about "start with current when shuffled" ?
14.30.57 #       <elinenbe> that is a great idea.
14.31.01 #       <Schnueff> do we have a routine that breaks lines then?
14.31.12 #       <Schnueff> guess that would be needed for setting descriptions
14.31.13 #       <LinusN> Hes has one
14.31.28 #       <LinusN> it may even be in the textview code
14.31.55 #       <elinenbe> the setting screens should be forced as FONT_UI
14.32.11 #       <LinusN> "start with selected file when having set shuffle to ON in the settings" :-)
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14.32.54 #       <elinenbe> "start with selected file when having shuffle set to ON"  we know it is in the settings :)
14.33.15 #       <Hes> Mine sucks
14.33.18 #       <Schnueff> or make Shuffle have yes/no/evenfirstfile setting in shuffle-menu
14.33.36 #       <Hes> haven't had time to fix it
14.33.45 #       <LinusN> has anybody tried showtext()?
14.34.29 #       <dwihno> What do you guys think about inverting the current menu selection instead of having the evil cursor?
14.34.45 #       <elinenbe> I like the inversion mode.
14.35.37 #       <elinenbe> but, there is a problem with both modes currently that is a HUGE pain in the ass.  If I hold down for a few seconds (like to go past >70 songs) and then I let go of down it keeps on going for a while.
14.35.40 #       <dwihno> It would be pretty neat
14.35.56 #       * dwihno blames it on the bossanova!
14.36.01 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: a performance problem
14.36.41 #       <Zagor> we could use langa's hardware roll code for scrolling. saves us updating the entire screen.
14.36.49 #       <Schnueff> maybe one can detect when to jump scroll like in xterms
14.36.55 #       <LinusN> how does the hardware roll work?
14.37.16 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: that is cool idea.  Faster smoother scroll.
14.37.18 #       <Zagor> LinusN: you set which line is at top
14.37.40 #       <Bagder> that'll make the scroll bar and status bar do oddly though, won't it?
14.37.41 #       <LinusN> so the framebuffer representation changes?
14.37.48 #       <Schnueff> you have to redraw the scrollbar all the time then, but its smaller
14.37.58 #       <Schnueff> status too
14.38.00 #       <Schnueff> yes
14.38.02 #       <Zagor> ah, scroll bar is destroyed too. didn't think of that.
14.38.14 #       <Zagor> but still we get a lot fewer bytes to update
14.38.32 #       <LinusN> and the memory locations in the frame buffer where to render data would change too
14.38.44 #       <LinusN> a pain to keep track of
14.38.45 #       <Zagor> LinusN: no
14.38.50 #       <Schnueff> the lcd routine could deal with screen start
14.38.51 #       <Bagder> the frame buffer would get updated
14.39.09 #       <Bagder> we'd only save the buffer => lcd operation
14.39.11 #       <Zagor> umm, sorry. of course it does.
14.39.32 #       <Zagor> Bagder: we'd save the text->font->buffer operation too
14.39.54 #       <Bagder> how could we?
14.40.07 #       <LinusN> Bagder: i understand what you mean
14.40.25 #       <Zagor> Bagder: me silly. ok, let's forget the idea :-)
14.40.34 #       <Bagder> hehe
14.40.48 #       <LinusN> hardware scrolling is not an option imho
14.41.11 #       <Schnueff> how expensive is the buffer -> lcd operation by the way?
14.41.12 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: i don't get that problem at all
14.41.46 #       <Schnueff> just the cost of writing 900 bytes or is the lcd controller slower than regular memory?
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14.42.13 #       <Bagder> there's a few control bytes too
14.42.41 #       <Schnueff> but no more wait cycles per byte or so?
14.43.56 #       <LinusN> Schnueff: the LCD connection is serial
14.44.03 #       <Schnueff> so its slow
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14.44.14 #       <LinusN> updating the frame buffer takes 25-30ms
14.44.18 #       <Schnueff> k
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14.46.48 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: try it with the reverse code.  Where the cursor is replaced with an inverted line.
14.47.05 #       <Zagor> ah, ok. that code is slow, yes
14.47.14 #       <Zagor> guess why it's not committed :-)
14.48.14 #       <dwihno> Optimize it :D More assembly! :D
14.48.26 #       <dwihno> That reminds me, a new, fresh Hackles today! (www.hackles.org)
14.48.35 #       <Schnueff> whats that
14.49.17 #       <dwihno> a kick-ass comic :)
14.49.29 #       <Schnueff> i c
14.49.32 #       <Schnueff> :)
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15.05.33 #       <elinenbe> brb
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15.37.01 #       <LinusN> Zagor: how well does the ATA code handle odd buffer addresses?
15.37.18 #       <Zagor> slow, but works
15.37.22 #       <LinusN> ok
15.37.48 #       <bobTHC> french translation soon completed
15.38.05 #       <LinusN> Zagor: and how about odd seek()?
15.38.36 #       <Zagor> why should that be a problem if ata_read works?
15.38.50 #       <Zagor> translation: i believe it works
15.38.53 #       <LinusN> i'm investigating the mp3 gaps
15.39.20 #       <bobTHC> When no translation need, left empty or rewrite the line ?
15.39.20 #       <LinusN> we truncate the seek() amount to an even number
15.39.32 #       <Zagor> we do?
15.40.01 #       <LinusN> Zagor: yes
15.40.55 #       <LinusN> in mpeg.c
15.41.14 #       <LinusN> not in the ata code
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15.43.48 #       <Zagor> ah
15.43.59 #       <Zagor> that's because we want to avoid loading odd addresses
15.44.14 #       <Zagor> you said a few stray bytes shouldn't affect playback
15.45.13 #       <LinusN> i thought so yes, but i am investigating
15.45.27 #       <LinusN> testing as we speak
15.45.37 #       <LinusN> baboom
15.45.41 #       <LinusN> that was it
15.45.44 #       <Zagor> leaving the VBR tag gave no gap
15.45.52 #       <LinusN> stray bytes matters
15.46.14 #       <Zagor> this is not a stray bytes issue. clean-cut files gap now, they didn't previously.
15.46.48 #       <LinusN> let me commit this and try again
15.47.03 #       * Bagder grants LinusN permission ;-)
15.47.21 #       <bobTHC> take a look @ http://www.aix-elan.org/francais.lang for comment and help 
15.48.01 #       <LinusN> there is still a problem with removing the ID3v1 tag on occasions
15.48.32 #       <LinusN> a very rare situation when the last read chunk is smaller than the tag itself
15.48.51 #       <LinusN> i.e when the buffer wraps inside the tag
15.49.09 #       <Zagor> i suggest focusing on tagless data first
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15.50.32 #       <bobTHC> some french people here ???
15.51.13 #       <akozak> anyone know what is inside the NEW recorder FM unit? (is there a chip cable of decoding other codecs?) 
15.51.53 #       <LinusN> Zagor: why would tagless data be different?
15.52.24 #       <Zagor> because there is no issues about skipping over tags and such. it's a much simpler case, which should not skip. and did not skip. but now does.
15.52.26 #       <LinusN> refresh your CVS and retry
15.52.41 #       <Zagor> s/skip/gap/
15.53.01 #       <LinusN> is the length of your first file odd?
15.53.28 #       <Zagor> i don't know. i don't have an usb connection here.
15.53.32 #       <LinusN> does your first file contain a v2 tag?
15.53.46 #       <Zagor> but i'm pretty sure it's not. I split into 2M files.
15.54.04 #       <Zagor> file2->file3 skips too, and neither contain any tag whatsoever
15.54.14 #       <LinusN> Zagor: did you cut at frame boundaries?
15.54.20 #       <Zagor> no
15.54.25 #       <LinusN> that's the problem
15.54.30 #       <Zagor> no it's not
15.54.38 #       <LinusN> did you write the code?
15.54.38 #       <LinusN> no
15.54.40 #       <Zagor> listen to me. it worked. they did not gap.
15.54.40 #       <LinusN> i did
15.54.46 #       <LinusN> and i know it is the problem
15.55.04 #       <Zagor> ok, so what worked previously is not impossible?
15.55.05 #       <LinusN> the new padding fix is causing this
15.55.10 #       <Zagor> s/not/now/
15.55.59 #       <LinusN> the id3 parser searches for the first frame
15.56.19 #       <LinusN> and skips the data up to that
15.56.36 #       <Zagor> ok
15.57.16 #       <LinusN> i should modify it so that it only searches if there is atag
15.57.45 #       <LinusN> should=will
15.59.44 #       <LinusN> Zagor: committed
15.59.49 #       <LinusN> now it should work
16.00.01 #       <Zagor> ok, good. i'll try it as soon as I can.
16.05.19 #       <LinusN> Zagor: how often do we rebuild the web?
16.05.35 #       <Zagor> every 20 min
16.05.45 #       <LinusN> i changed head.t 4 hours ago and nothing has happened
16.05.56 #       <LinusN> dependency prob?
16.06.01 #       <Zagor> exactly
16.06.09 #       <Zagor> i need to fix that manually
16.06.14 #       <LinusN> go go go
16.06.22 #       <Zagor> done
16.06.37 #       <Zagor> what did you change?
16.06.44 #       <LinusN> i didn't like the word wrap of "feature requests"
16.06.53 #       <Zagor> ah
16.08.52 #       <bobTHC> ya des francais ??????
16.08.55 #       <Zagor> bobTHC: english.lang updated. please adjust your francais.lang accordingly
16.09.08 #       <bobTHC> zagor : ok...
16.10.22 #       <Zagor> any bets if the win32 build will go red or green? :)
16.10.51 #       <bobTHC> i bet 10€ on red ;)
16.11.42 #       <LinusN> how to select language?
16.12.12 #       <Zagor> LinusN: LANGUAGE in Makefile. we'll to that in tools/configure once there are any to choose from
16.12.24 #       <LinusN> aha
16.13.47 #       <LinusN> installing...
16.14.19 #       <LinusN> wow, it works
16.14.28 #       <LinusN> :-)
16.15.00 #       <Zagor> big difference, huh? :-)
16.15.10 #       <LinusN> yeah!
16.15.11 #       <LinusN> wow!
16.16.36 #       <LinusN> how are thing going with the font stuff?
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16.16.56 #       <quelsaruk> hi
16.18.25 #       <Bagder> hey quelsaruk
16.18.29 #       <Bagder> lang system in use
16.18.29 #       <Zagor> hi quelsaruk. nice work on the string fixes.
16.18.36 #       <LinusN> i like the atadore font
16.18.42 #       <Zagor> i changed a few things but mostly I think it was good
16.18.53 #       <Bagder> Zagor: maybe we should announce something about the .lang stuff being in use
16.18.59 #       <LinusN> Zagor: don't forget the credits :-)
16.19.00 #       <Bagder> to get more translators going
16.19.14 #       <Zagor> Bagder: good point
16.21.25 #       <quelsaruk> thx, a boring work
16.21.42 #       <quelsaruk> but at least it seems to work
16.22.36 #       <quelsaruk> the problem is that just thinking in opening the english.lang once more.. that makes me sick :)
16.22.57 #       <Bagder> hehe
16.23.07 #       <Bagder> then make your spanish.lang and open that ;-)
16.23.29 #       <Bagder> ./uplang english.lang spanish.lang
16.23.39 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: there are some people asking about .lang file, i told them that when all this stuff were finished you would say so in the website
16.29.24 #       <quelsaruk> if i use a loadable font i should call it system.fnt or system.ajf... it now works with the first one no?
16.29.29 #       <LinusN> Hmmm, the scroll doesn't work with the atadore font
16.29.45 #       <Schnueff> .fnt
16.29.49 #       <quelsaruk> thx
16.29.50 #       <quelsaruk> :)
16.29.58 #       <Bagder> I love how we have soooo much stuff that can introduce bugs now ;-)
16.31.16 #       <Zagor> haha
16.31.23 #       <LinusN> aha, the scroll thread doesn't see to account for the cursor margin
16.31.26 #       <LinusN> seem
16.31.54 #       <Zagor> LinusN: no? then how come the dir browser works?
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16.36.28 #       <quelsaruk> LinusN: it works for me
16.38.21 #       <LinusN> i have a menu entry (play selected first) where the last "t" is off screen, and it doesn't scroll
16.39.32 #       <LinusN> what's with the (LCD_WIDTH - x*8) comparison?
16.40.03 #       <LinusN> in lcd_puts_scroll()
16.40.18 #       <Bagder> yikes
16.41.15 #       <LinusN> why is it calling getstringsize for each character?
16.41.53 #       <Zagor> the scroll code should be ripped out and thrown away
16.41.59 #       <Zagor> at least for the recorder
16.42.49 #       <LinusN> Zagor: no scroll?
16.43.25 #       <Zagor> i mean it should be rewritten to be bitmap-specific, and not try to piggyback on the player scroll code
16.43.34 #       <Bagder> yes
16.43.39 #       <Bagder> pixel scrolling
16.43.43 #       <Zagor> yup
16.44.19 #       <LinusN> any idea why it calls getstringsize for each character?
16.44.27 #       <Bagder> old code
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16.44.50 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: are you working on espanol.lang ?
16.50.35 #       <LinusN> what is scrollinfo.space?
16.50.35 #       <Bagder> red build
16.50.57 #       <quelsaruk> zagor: yes...
16.51.10 #       <quelsaruk> but i'll finish it this night
16.51.11 #       <quelsaruk> :)
16.51.22 #       <Phantom> I just need to translate "multilanguage-rockbox.diff" to make a french translation ?
16.51.59 #       <Zagor> LinusN: the scrolling area width, in characters
16.52.16 #       <Bagder> Phantom: there seem to be many people already doing the french stuff
16.52.19 #       <quelsaruk> Phantom: just use english.lang
16.52.32 #       <Phantom> where it is ?
16.52.33 #       <Zagor> Phantom: nono, you make a new francais.lang. but help bobTHC with his instead, he's already half-way there.
16.52.39 #       <LinusN> Zagor: so it should be in pixels on the recorder?
16.52.45 #       <bobTHC> i'm on it phantom i can send u francais.lang
16.52.55 #       <Phantom> envoie bob
16.53.07 #       <bobTHC> ok
16.53.16 #       <Zagor> LinusN: yeah, possibly. but don't waste time "fixing" the current bad code.
16.53.19 #       <Phantom> je vais voir si il y a des choses a changer/améliorer
16.53.27 #       <LinusN> Zagor: who is fixing it then?
16.53.29 #       <bobTHC> il y en a toujours
16.53.33 #       <Phantom> lol
16.53.47 #       <LinusN> bobTHC: :-)
16.53.55 #       <Zagor> nobody. it's nearly unfixable. there should be separate scroll code for player and recorder.
16.54.03 #       <LinusN> Zagor: true
16.54.18 #       <Phantom> bob tu envois ?
16.54.36 #       <quelsaruk> Zagor: got me as spanish translator?
16.54.44 #       <Phantom> djp007@wanadoo.fr
16.54.54 #       <Zagor> quelsaruk: go ahead
16.54.59 #       <quelsaruk> ok
16.55.21 #       <LinusN> Phantom and bobTHC: en anglais s'il vous plait
16.55.42 #       <bobTHC> sorry all ! ;)
16.56.06 #       <LinusN> got carried away, eh?
16.56.16 #       <LinusN> :-)
16.58.07 #       <Phantom> lo siento
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16.58.10 #       <Phantom> oups
16.58.15 #       <Phantom> désolé
16.58.17 #       <Phantom> ARG
16.58.22 #       <Phantom> Sorry
16.58.39 #       <Bagder> :-)
16.58.50 #       <Phantom> so bob, you send ?
16.59.58 #       <bobTHC> look prv message$
17.00.59 #       <Phantom> oups
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17.02.53 #       <Schnueff> i'm working on feature [ 603685 ] Constant backlight with mains connexion
17.03.07 #       <Schnueff> i made a new menu entry in the display menu, but i could come up with a good name
17.03.19 #       <Schnueff> currently it is 'backlight on when plugged'. any better suggestions? :)
17.03.58 #       <LinusN> "when charging"?
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17.04.18 #       <LinusN> technically, it may not be charging, but anyway...
17.04.28 #       <Schnueff> that would be okay, if one can set time & 'when charging' in a single screen
17.04.31 #       <Zagor> either is fine with me
17.04.59 #       <LinusN> Schnueff: ?
17.05.51 #       <LinusN> i mean "backlight on when charging"
17.05.55 #       <Schnueff> ah ok
17.06.23 #       <Schnueff> would it be ok to store that option in bit7 of the byte reserved for current backlight ?
17.06.52 #       <LinusN> the current backlight doesn't use more than maybe 4 bits
17.06.57 #       <Schnueff> yes
17.07.22 #       <LinusN> sorry, 5 bits
17.07.30 #       <Schnueff> so i only have to modify settings_save() and settings_load() for this?
17.07.38 #       <LinusN> and settings_reset
17.07.50 #       <Schnueff> and add a bool global_settings.backlight_on_when_charging
17.07.51 #       <Schnueff> ah
17.07.51 #       <LinusN> for the default
17.07.59 #       <Schnueff> yes
17.08.04 #       <Schnueff> what would be the default?
17.08.22 #       <Schnueff> i have no opinion on that
17.08.42 #       <LinusN> i want it off
17.08.44 #       <Schnueff> ok
17.08.45 #       <LinusN> :-)
17.08.55 #       <Schnueff> shouldnt matter much:)
17.09.15 #       <LinusN> the variable should maybe be called backlight_on_when_connected
17.09.22 #       <LinusN> or something
17.09.31 #       <Schnueff> but connected can be mistaken for usb
17.09.47 #       <Schnueff> when_on_power ?
17.09.48 #       <LinusN> yes
17.09.58 #       <LinusN> when_connected_to_external_power
17.09.59 #       <LinusN>  :-)
17.10.01 #       <Schnueff> hehe
17.11.01 #       <LinusN> backlight_on_with_ext_pwr
17.11.16 #       <LinusN> blah, it gets longer and longer
17.11.19 #       <Schnueff> hm
17.11.28 #       <Schnueff> at the moment i have it abbreviate, but that will change
17.11.41 #       <Schnueff> (backlight_owp on when plugged, not so descriptive)
17.11.48 #       <LinusN> it's not like it is hard to change...
17.12.09 #       <Zagor> make it simple: backlight_plugged
17.12.23 #       <LinusN> backlight_when_plugged
17.12.29 #       <Schnueff> ok then backlight_when_plugged
17.12.45 #       <Schnueff> and for the menu 'Backlight on when plugged'
17.13.02 #       <LinusN> i don't think "plugged" is good in the menu though
17.13.09 #       <Schnueff> yeah power better
17.13.13 #       <LinusN> "charging" will probably be better
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17.13.36 #       <LinusN> from the user's point of view, connecting the power means "charging"
17.13.47 #       <Zagor> i agree
17.13.52 #       <Zagor> i think :)
17.14.05 #       <LinusN> i'm not a user, just a simple developer
17.14.48 #       <Zagor> sometimes i dream of being a user
17.15.04 #       <LinusN> no worries, just using
17.15.06 #       * laotan is still waiting for his archos recorder to be fixed so he can be a user too :)
17.15.13 #       <quelsaruk> Bagder: is there some kind of FAQ about .lang use and tranlating languages?
17.15.18 #       <quelsaruk> just to know
17.15.19 #       <Bagder> nope
17.15.20 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.15.38 #       <Bagder> we'll just point everyone to Bjorn's mail ;-)
17.16.30 #       <quelsaruk> which mail is that, to point averyone to it
17.16.52 #       <quelsaruk> can't find it in thread
17.17.12 #       <Bagder> http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-09/0856.shtml
17.17.13 #       <LinusN> "translators, start your engines"
17.17.22 #       <bobTHC> vroooooommmmmmm
17.19.39 #       <quelsaruk> ahhh
17.19.41 #       <quelsaruk> it's a new mail
17.19.42 #       <quelsaruk> ok
17.19.44 #       <quelsaruk> :)
17.23.46 #       <Schnueff> in set_int(): the function gets called called every .5 seconds because of the timeout in button_get_w_tmo. is that desired?
17.23.57 #       <Schnueff> 'the function' = the function passed as argument
17.24.27 #       <Schnueff> maybe one should call it only, when the variable has changed?
17.27.35 #       <LinusN> Schnueff: only when changed
17.27.47 #       <Zagor> bluergh, lcd_putsxy is in font.c ?!?
17.27.59 #       <LinusN> and lcd_getstringsize
17.28.07 #       <Zagor> fixing
17.28.15 #       * Zagor is codepolicing the font code
17.28.22 #       <LinusN> beware us all
17.28.41 #       <Schnueff> so i have to fix this? or have i misunderstood the code?
17.28.45 #       <Bagder> Zagor: I think Greg is right that the font code is not LCD driver code
17.29.01 #       <Zagor> lcd_putsxy is not font code
17.29.13 #       <Bagder> possibly not
17.29.54 #       <LinusN> Schnueff: it looks like it is doing the wrong thing
17.29.57 #       <Schnueff> yes
17.30.07 #       <Schnueff> therefore the backlight is on always in the backlight menu
17.30.38 #       <LinusN> Schnueff: do you want me to fix?
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17.31.22 #       <Schnueff> yes, but there's no hurry
17.31.42 #       <Schnueff> i'm happy that i dont have to fix the backlight code for that bug:)
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17.33.24 #       <Phantom> back
17.33.28 #       <bobTHC> french ppl take a look @ http://www.aix-elan.org/francais.lang for correction and comments !
17.33.50 #       * dwihno looks
17.34.00 #       <Phantom> bob : PV
17.34.04 #       <LinusN> why does the set_int() function use button_get_w_tmo()?
17.34.21 #       <dwihno> batterie et baguette une saucisson
17.35.03 #       <dwihno> PERDU! :D
17.35.07 #       <dwihno> How cool translation
17.35.26 #       <Schnueff> LinusN: i dont know that
17.35.35 #       <LinusN> beats me
17.36.03 #       <Schnueff> the other set_*() functions dont?
17.36.12 #       <LinusN> that imples that someone needed the function to be called often
17.36.18 #       <quelsaruk> must reboot, cu later
17.36.21 #       <Schnueff> hm
17.36.22 #       <Schnueff> lets grep
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17.37.06 #       <Schnueff> maybe for the scrolling?
17.37.17 #       <Schnueff> Scroll Speed Setting Example
17.37.51 #       <Bagder> the scroll is its own thread, it shouldn't need that
17.37.56 #       <Schnueff> ok
17.40.34 #       <Phantom> The French will be they first translation (what germans waiting for ?)
17.40.47 #       <Phantom> The French will be the first translation (what germans waiting for ?)
17.40.58 #       <bobTHC> ? Where are german ??
17.40.59 #       <Schnueff> english is ok for me:)
17.41.00 #       <bobTHC> ;)
17.41.34 #       <Phantom> French power
17.42.00 #       <Phantom> Question : Is Archos know about Rockbox ? Do you tell them about it ?
17.42.39 #       <dwihno> yum, fiskbullar!
17.42.45 #       <LinusN> the w_tmo() is for the status bar redraw
17.42.50 #       <Phantom> Maybe they should give sources to help the project ...
17.42.52 #       <dwihno> They are blind (and stupid) if they do not know of it
17.43.29 #       <LinusN> i am changing to:
17.43.31 #       <LinusN>         if ( function && button != BUTTON_NONE)
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17.44.37 #       <Zagor> gah, confvbdf.c copies the font.h data...
17.44.44 #       <Schnueff> uh F3 saves the settings. good to know
17.45.05 #       <Schnueff> LinusN: should be ok
17.45.32 #       <LinusN> Schnueff: woo, yes it save the settings.
17.45.39 #       <LinusN> not very nice imho
17.45.57 #       <Zagor> why on earth is that added?
17.45.58 #       <Schnueff> u got to switch( button = .. ) {} though
17.46.15 #       <Schnueff> or is button a global variable?
17.46.16 #       <LinusN> yes i do, almost
17.46.19 #       <Schnueff> k
17.46.29 #       <LinusN> i declare a local int button
17.46.54 #       <Zagor> if you modify settings.c, remove all F3 handling in set_*
17.47.24 #       <LinusN> really?
17.47.48 #       <Zagor> why should we toggle the status bar in there? lots of messy code nobody ever uses.
17.48.14 #       <LinusN> ok, so no quick-menus either?
17.48.21 #       <Zagor> not in set_*
17.48.47 #       <Zagor> we should have it in menu_run() though
17.48.54 #       <LinusN> ok
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17.50.18 #       <LinusN> i see that we have to handle USB in there
17.50.49 #       <Zagor> yes
17.50.54 #       <Zagor> gotta go
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17.57.39 #       <quelsaruk> LinusN: can we include in text strings characters like " ó " ??
17.59.32 #       <LinusN> i guess
17.59.49 #       <LinusN> but there might be e problem with tha
17.59.51 #       <LinusN> that
18.00.09 #       <LinusN> is it 8859-1?
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18.00.16 #       <Phantom> back
18.00.21 #       <quelsaruk> don't know
18.00.26 #       <dwihno> I think so
18.00.37 #       <quelsaruk> hope so
18.00.38 #       <quelsaruk> :)
18.00.39 #       <Phantom> bob : have you finish
18.03.46 #       <Phantom> french translation is near
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18.14.28 #       <bobTHC> 1st "francais.lang "is out !!!! check out http://www.aix-elan.org/francais.lang for correction and comments ! 
18.15.10 #       <bobTHC> i think uploading it in the cvs can be good for correction ?
18.17.24 #       <bobTHC> masters where are u? ;)
18.20.19 #       <quelsaruk> they're gone
18.20.28 #       <quelsaruk> our gods have left us...
18.22.37 #       <dwihno> they went to the pub
18.23.17 #       <quelsaruk> like true metal gods!
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18.24.48 #       <bobTHC> quelsaruk have u a cvs account ?
18.26.03 #       <quelsaruk> nops
18.26.21 #       <quelsaruk> if i'm correct i'm not even in the credits
18.26.23 #       <quelsaruk> :)
18.26.32 #       <bobTHC> :)
18.26.36 #       <dwihno> :O
18.26.37 #       <dwihno> :-)
18.26.42 #       <bobTHC> i think u'll be
18.26.57 #       <bobTHC> but i'm not a metal god
18.27.05 #       <bobTHC> ;)
18.28.00 #       <bobTHC> Swendish, french, spanish.... and more soon !!!
18.28.02 #       <quelsaruk> am i the only heavy here?
18.28.08 #       <Schnueff> no
18.29.03 #       <bobTHC> heavy ?
18.29.05 #       <quelsaruk> you too?
18.29.16 #       <Schnueff> i guess he speaks of heavy metal
18.29.19 #       <Schnueff> (no my weight)
18.29.21 #       <Schnueff> not
18.29.47 #       <quelsaruk> of coruse heavy metal
18.29.50 #       <Schnueff> :)
18.30.08 #       <Schnueff> i bet bobTHC thought that was just another language :)
18.30.20 #       <bobTHC> u talking about musik !  ok sorry i'm too tired!
18.30.45 #       <bobTHC> yep
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18.31.48 #       <bobTHC> tell me a band of heavy 
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18.32.21 #       <Phantom> back
18.32.23 #       <quelsaruk> edguy, hammerfall, gamma ray, rage, primal fear, rhapsody, heaven's gate, after forever....
18.32.26 #       <quelsaruk> there are a lot
18.32.35 #       <quelsaruk> the best power metal comes from germany
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18.34.29 #       <bobTHC> quelsaruk : last daily can use *.lang file ?
18.34.29 #       <Phantom> what are *.o files ?
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18.35.02 #       <Schnueff> object files (what comes out of the compiler if u process a *.c)
18.35.20 #       <Phantom> ok
18.35.46 #       <Phantom> and how to change graphism (the boot screen for exemple)
18.35.49 #       <Phantom> ?
18.35.54 #       <Schnueff> hm dont know
18.36.55 #       <quelsaruk> bobTHC: yes, zagor added that setting 2 hours ago
18.37.11 #       <Phantom> ok
18.37.15 #       <bobTHC> thanx (really tired) ;)
18.37.47 #       <Phantom> where .lang may be placed ?
18.40.31 #       <quelsaruk> Phantom: in apps/lang dir
18.40.56 #       <dwihno> demo_menu.c:34:18: lang.h: No such file or directory
18.41.00 #       <quelsaruk> and afterwards you should use a command (i can't remember which one) to create the lang.h file
18.41.00 #       <dwihno> hmm
18.41.17 #       <quelsaruk> dwingo... you have to create lang.h file
18.41.19 #       <quelsaruk> using a tool
18.41.33 #       <quelsaruk> but ¿which tool?
18.41.48 #       <quelsaruk> who knows...
18.41.59 #       <dwihno> :-)
18.42.00 #       <bobTHC> not me...
18.42.01 #       <dwihno> I'll check
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18.43.07 #       <bobTHC> In the future the better will be like fonts, add the *.lang in the root directory and that's all folks
18.43.32 #       <dwihno> not in the root dir! :)
18.43.35 #       <dwihno> in the .rockbox dir! :)
18.43.39 #       <quelsaruk> ummm
18.43.42 #       <quelsaruk> argggghh
18.43.44 #       <bobTHC> ;)
18.43.47 #       <quelsaruk> i found a big error
18.43.52 #       <quelsaruk> well not so big
18.43.53 #       <quelsaruk> :)
18.45.06 #       <quelsaruk> some phrases are divided into 2 lines... and english is different to all languages that come from latin
18.45.50 #       <quelsaruk> for example Playlist buffer is full, we say "buffer playlist is full" (in your language)
18.46.01 #       <quelsaruk> at least in spanish
18.46.07 #       <bobTHC> in french too
18.46.14 #       <quelsaruk> portuguese, french italian..
18.46.19 #       <quelsaruk> all comes from latin
18.46.21 #       <quelsaruk> ;)
18.46.33 #       <bobTHC> catalan, occitan...
18.46.56 #       <quelsaruk> yups
18.47.21 #       <quelsaruk> i should send a mod warning of those problems
18.47.35 #       <bobTHC> yep
18.47.58 #       <quelsaruk> bobTHC: check out you haven't make that mistake
18.48.18 #       <quelsaruk> in LANG_PLAYINDICES_PLAYLIST
18.48.29 #       <quelsaruk> and LANG_PLAYINDICES_BUFFER
18.48.47 #       <quelsaruk> you should swap the order ;)
18.49.18 #       <Schnueff> tools/genlang, did u find?
18.49.33 #       <dwihno> okay
18.49.36 #       <dwihno> I got it running
18.49.37 #       <dwihno> yay
18.49.46 #       <dwihno> genlang, then put the lang.c/h in the apps dir
18.49.57 #       <Schnueff> yep
18.50.44 #       <bobTHC>  i'm tired, CU later !
18.50.47 #       <dwihno> byebye
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18.52.13 #       <Phantom> back
18.53.41 #       <Phantom> where can I have lastest (but REALLY lastest) sources ?
18.54.33 #       <quelsaruk> cvs
18.54.43 #       <hardeep> Phantom: see http://rockbox.haxx.se/cvs.html
18.55.19 #       <quelsaruk> hardeep: you are faster than me :)
18.55.52 #       <hardeep> :)
18.55.53 #       <Phantom> lol,don't have CVS...
18.56.06 #       <hardeep> Phantom: which OS are you running?
18.57.02 #       <Phantom> windows XP (I m boring of Linux, in windows there are more "surpises")
18.57.06 #       <dwihno> :-)
18.57.15 #       <dwihno> Windows - YOu don't know where you're going today ;)
18.57.19 #       <dwihno> You need perl for the genlang utility
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18.57.46 #       <hardeep> Phantom: okay, all you need is WinCVS: http://www.wincvs.org/
18.57.57 #       <hardeep> Phantom: or you could install cygwin
18.58.12 #       <quel|out> that's a better option
18.58.15 #       <hardeep> but i'm not sure how well cygwin works on XP
18.58.22 #       <quel|out> ummm
18.58.32 #       <Phantom> it work pretty bad
18.58.38 #       <Phantom> i ve tried
18.58.42 #       <quel|out> in theory win xp uses win2k kernel
18.58.51 #       <quel|out> just in theory
18.58.55 #       <quel|out> i don't use it
18.58.56 #       <quel|out> :)
18.59.14 #       <Phantom> 2k "optimized" kernel
18.59.22 #       <hardeep> quel|out: i've heard people report problems with cygwin + XP, don't have details
18.59.54 #       <Phantom> it freeze
19.00.32 #       <dwihno> I've heard that too
19.00.38 #       <dwihno> That's why I stick to Win2k :)
19.00.39 #       <dwihno> and GNUSH
19.00.55 #       <hardeep> i run cygwin on Win2K without any problems
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19.15.57 #       <EnnaN> hi
19.16.38 #       <EnnaN> any1 here?
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19.21.22 #       <EnnaN> ?
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19.31.25 #       <Phantom> is one of you can build a french/propfonts/game rockbox ?
19.32.35 #       <EnnaN> not me...just in here for some q&a (mostly from the q side) :)
19.34.38 #       <pimlottc> bobTHC is doing a french translation
19.35.55 #       <EnnaN> any1 can answer a question about (already reported) bug of premature file ending?
19.38.48 #       <adi|home> EnnaN: whats your question?
19.41.18 #       <EnnaN> well, i saw a bugreport (602571) for the skipping, but iwanna know if (i think so) this problem is solved allready (problem is about tracks randojmly stopping too soon) in any of the daily builds, cause 1.3 still does it..
19.43.30 #       <adi|home> yeah.. as far as i know its fixed in the daily builds
19.44.46 #       <EnnaN> oke.. any idea wich saily build .mod is stable enough to use? i know they can be buggy, but i guess that some are better then others :) got a 10 gig studio (player)
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19.52.40 #       <EnnaN> ?
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19.58.42 #       <TotMacher> is the english.lang complete ?
19.59.29 #       <kargatron> is there anything less than ideal about charging the recorder while pausing (in order to preserve my resume-position)?
20.00.56 #       <EnnaN> eeuhm..doesnt the rockbox rember your resume position, even while off????
20.01.09 #       <EnnaN> that's the usage of resume function i think..
20.01.50 #       <EnnaN> tomacher: as for as i'm concerned, the english language is far less then complete :)) (or: I dunno)
20.02.58 #       <TotMacher> hehe
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20.04.30 #       <Phantom> Is somebody can build a french release if I give him the french.lang ?
20.05.12 #       <EnnaN> not em
20.05.16 #       <EnnaN> eeuhm, not me that is
20.05.26 #       <dwihno> Heh
20.05.30 #       <dwihno> If you give me it, I can
20.05.34 #       <dwihno> put it online somewhere
20.05.36 #       <Phantom> really
20.06.51 #       <Phantom> do you have a mail ?
20.07.17 #       <dwihno> can't you just put it online on some web server? I hate my mail :)
20.08.12 #       <Phantom> no, don't have
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20.17.52 #       <EnnaN> adi|home: you still here?
20.25.52 #       <EnnaN> any1?
20.32.56 #       <quel|out> the english.lang is *complete*
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20.33.18 #       <dwihno> it's very complete indeed
20.33.21 #       <quel|out> i have submitted all changes to the mail list this morning
20.33.29 #       <dwihno> Otherwise the current build would not build :)
20.33.33 #       <dwihno> (which it does)
20.33.36 #       <quel|out> and zagor has added it to the source code
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20.46.47 #       <EnnaN> eeuhm, still trying to find out if one of the latest daily builds is (kinda) stable enough to run...
20.47.16 #       <quel|out> welll
20.47.24 #       <EnnaN> yesss? :)
20.47.39 #       <quel|out> you can only find out if you try
20.47.43 #       <quel|out> but i can tell you it's stable, enought
20.48.08 #       <quel|out> enough
20.48.16 #       <dwihno> Ya
20.48.29 #       <dwihno> There's always the other side of the medallion
20.48.31 #       <EnnaN> ofcourse, that's why me ask :) somebody shure would've tried it :) (ok, i know.. /me lazy) ...but tnx...
20.48.38 #       <EnnaN> dwihno: and that is?
20.48.43 #       <dwihno> Such as, ugly font, no åäö or such chars and some quirks being worked on :)
20.49.00 #       <dwihno> Although I use the bleeding edge CVS every day
20.49.13 #       <quel|out> as me...
20.49.18 #       <EnnaN> :) .. i am mostly anoyed by 1.3's ability to skip to the next track sometimes, unasked for...
20.49.42 #       <dwihno> Who except Phantom wanted a french localized version of rockbox?
20.50.05 #       * EnnaN doesnt :)
20.50.10 #       <quel|out> dwihno: not me :P
20.50.31 #       * dwihno prefers the software in english, though it isn't my native language
20.50.44 #       * EnnaN dutch..
20.51.06 #       <dwihno> waat hoet gaat heet woot toot? :)
20.51.18 #       <EnnaN> hmm..iets dergelijks :)
20.52.23 #       <dwihno> Seen any smeetvrees' lately? :)
20.52.45 #       <EnnaN> in MY house????? no way!
20.53.03 #       <dwihno> :-)
20.53.07 #       * EnnaN student in a student appropriate house (ok, that was hard to spell)
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21.00.40 #       <EnnaN> can anybody tell me what the "follow playlist" thingy is?
21.00.56 #       <dwihno> Sure can
21.01.12 #       <dwihno> when you start a playlist for instance
21.01.29 #       <dwihno> it will load some random song...
21.01.53 #       <dwihno> if you have the "follow playlist" enabled, pressing 'on' or 'stop' will return you to the current file, instead of the file you started
21.01.56 #       <dwihno> or last dir
21.02.05 #       <EnnaN> ah!
21.02.07 #       <EnnaN> nice
21.02.25 #       <quel|out> has anyone here a player?
21.02.31 #       * EnnaN does
21.02.53 #       <quel|out> how manny chars enter in the display?
21.02.54 #       <EnnaN> ow wait...is "jukebox studio" a player
21.03.01 #       <dwihno> isn't it hard to browse the contents of the unit with only 2 lines?
21.03.07 #       <quel|out> jukebox studio is a player :)
21.03.14 #       <EnnaN> quel: thought so
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21.03.27 #       <EnnaN> dwihno: well...alphabethical is kinda logical..
21.03.46 #       <EnnaN> dwihno: and i *know* my files/playlists rather well
21.03.47 #       <EnnaN> so..
21.03.51 #       <EnnaN> no
21.03.54 #       <dwihno> EnnaN: ah, neato :)
21.04.08 #       <dwihno> I love the custom fonts and such :)
21.04.22 #       <Phantom> French rockbox is out !!! (with ou space...)
21.04.31 #       <EnnaN> ...dunno bout htat...and i read about osci....can i do this now on player with new cvs?
21.04.37 #       <Phantom>  French rockbox is out !!! (without space...)
21.05.59 #       <EnnaN> ?
21.06.01 #       <kargatron> anyone on windows know how to 'browse' the available fonts easily?  is it possible?
21.06.38 #       <EnnaN> gotta go..lator
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21.07.16 #       <quel|out> can't anyone with a player tell me how manny characters can the player display??
21.07.25 #       <dwihno> kargatron: dunno really... I guess "somebody" could make a program? :)
21.07.39 #       <dwihno> kargatron: you ment bdf or the fnt files?
21.07.50 #       <kargatron> i figure there's some complicated font-install thing to do, but i wanted to avoid something like that
21.08.06 #       <kargatron> yeah bdf/fnt files available inthe fonts dir
21.08.24 #       <kargatron> the goal being to figure out which font you want to use
21.08.26 #       <dwihno> I don't think there's a windows utility for that
21.08.42 #       <dwihno> in the future, the fonts will be loadable, thus, reducing the need of such software
21.08.59 #       <kargatron> i switched to bjorn fischer's font, which is better than the current defdault, but a bit too BIG and BOLD for me
21.09.46 #       <kargatron> it's nice, but easy to just see a mess of bold when you glance at it.
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21.10.10 #       <dwihno> kargatron: Did you ever see the propfont in action?
21.11.00 #       <kargatron> no
21.11.20 #       <kargatron> not really messed with any of this stuff until today, sorry
21.11.31 #       <dwihno> http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/rockbox-french.zip
21.11.36 #       <dwihno> there's a system.fnt in that file
21.11.38 #       <dwihno> test that
21.11.53 #       <Phantom> how to use the "system.fnt" ?
21.11.58 #       <Phantom> I ve it
21.12.00 #       <dwihno> place it in the root of the unit
21.12.10 #       <dwihno> Phantom: didn't you read my files.txt instruction?! :)
21.12.11 #       <dwihno> SHAME ON YOU!
21.12.18 #       <dwihno> I wrote instructions so you wouldn't need to ask! :)
21.12.28 #       <Phantom> but don't see difference with "propfonts"
21.15.57 #       <dwihno> then you did something strange :)
21.16.47 #       <Phantom> the only difference is the "space" bug
21.18.33 #       <dwihno> That's becuase the font has not been 100% converted by Uwe yet.
21.19.08 #       <Phantom> I know but why use this "bug font" and not propfont ?
21.19.51 #       <dwihno> See the topic :)
21.19.57 #       <dwihno> "the font code is being completely replaced. give us a few days to smooth things out"
21.19.59 #       <Phantom> where?
21.20.05 #       <Phantom> lol
21.20.15 #       <dwihno> Are you blind? :-)
21.20.20 #       <dwihno> Or perhaps I should say -)
21.20.21 #       <dwihno> :-)
21.20.31 #       <dwihno> j/k
21.20.46 #       <dwihno> Have patience, young skywalker. The force will come to you in time,
21.21.35 #       <Phantom> NOOOOOO,         <==={{{--------------------
21.22.17 #       <dwihno> <==={{{¨¨ *bzz* *click*  Damn! I KNEW I should've switched to duracell!
21.23.33 #       <Phantom> ----==========|||[¤¤¤¤¤¤¤]|||==========----             dual light saber
21.23.47 #       <kargatron> OT: any mp3gain users here?
21.23.55 #       <Phantom> NON
21.24.01 #       <Phantom>  <==={{{--------------------
21.24.06 #       <Phantom> Only padawan
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21.25.47 #       <Phantom> so, tell to big boss to put french translation on rockbox site as soon as the bug is repeared (and to add my name in credits ;) )
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21.27.41 #       <dwihno> It's not a damn bug!
21.27.47 #       <dwihno> It's the font not being 100% complete!
21.27.48 #       <dwihno> *sigh*
21.27.56 #       <dwihno> I think I told him that 7 times!
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22.46.44 #       <noalavida> hello
22.49.02 #       <kargatron> i see this in recent changes: Added play_selected option
22.49.08 #       <kargatron> anyone know what that is?
22.52.11 #       <noalavida> can i copile de uisimilator for win32 under win32?
22.52.43 #       <dwihno> if you have visual studio 6, yes
22.52.53 #       <noalavida> yes i hve
22.53.15 #       <noalavida> then how i compile?
22.55.40 #       <noalavida> do you know it?
22.57.15 #       <dwihno> Get the uisimulator and required stuff from cvs
22.57.17 #       <dwihno> open the project file
22.57.20 #       <dwihno> *build* :)
22.59.25 #       <noalavida> thank you, but where is the project file?
22.59.48 #       <noalavida> i've downloaded a tar.gz file from the daily builds page
23.06.01 #       <dwihno> hmm
23.06.09 #       <dwihno> uisimulator
23.06.19 #       <dwihno> But I don't know if the daily builds include the simulators
23.06.32 #       <dwihno> (I always use CVS stuff)
23.08.29 #       <noalavida> i think they are included because the file includes a uisimilator directory with the fonts
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23.09.00 #       <noalavida> but in this directory there's only a Makefile to compile under linux
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23.37.52 #       <MasterOfMagic> Are there any plans to get the recorder to read ext2 partitions?
23.38.11 #       <MasterOfMagic> Is anyone working on that?  (Asking because I need a hacking project.)
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23.41.00 #       <PsycoXul> nobody is that i know of
23.41.33 #       <PsycoXul> i'd love to be able to use something other than fat32
23.41.50 #       <PsycoXul> but of course the rom firmware needs at least a small fat32 partition to read the archos.mod from
23.42.01 #       <Hadaka> yay, reiserfs for archos ,)
23.42.29 #       <Hadaka> so you want to play mp3's from something other than fat32?
23.42.30 #       <MasterOfMagic> Or ext3fs.  I'm looking for a good hacking project.
23.42.40 #       <MasterOfMagic> Well, I want a more efficient fs.
23.42.50 #       <MasterOfMagic> And journaling would be an overhead, but a good bragging point.
23.42.55 #       <PsycoXul> hehe
23.42.56 #       <PsycoXul> yeah
23.43.02 #       <MasterOfMagic> "Does your crappy iPod have a journaling file system?  I think not!"
23.43.14 #       <Hadaka> more efficient? in what way?
23.43.25 #       <MasterOfMagic> More efficient block and sector size.
23.43.31 #       <MasterOfMagic> Less fragmentation, etc.
23.43.46 #       <PsycoXul> fat32 isn't exactly a high-performance high-integrity fs
23.43.46 #       <MasterOfMagic> Probably less overhead, but we'd have to code it and see.
23.43.59 #       <MasterOfMagic> Rather, I'd have to code it and try.
23.44.14 #       <Hadaka> well with the amount of writing you are doing on the filesystem, I'd say fat32 is high-integrity enough ;)
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23.44.23 #       <MasterOfMagic> True.
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23.44.43 #       <PsycoXul> maybe
23.45.03 #       <PsycoXul> except with the nature of the writing thats being done, mostly over a flaky usb connection...
23.45.26 #       <Hadaka> and I'm not sure how much block and sector sizes matter on a filesystem storing lots of big files - usually filesystems perform pretty well in this regard
23.46.18 #       <PsycoXul> plus recorder's writing large files, and players writing playlists and other little files on a device that's gets shaken around, interrupted power, etc...
23.47.17 #       <Jet8810> dude, rockbox is awesome :)
23.47.25 #       <Jet8810> just had to say that hehe 
23.47.33 #       <Hadaka> well fat32 can be fixed pretty well, unlike many newer filesystems
23.47.39 #       <PsycoXul> last thing i want is the battery to go dead while saving a playlist and boot up to find all my files screwed up thanks to some silly FAT issue
23.47.49 #       <Jet8810> hmm
23.47.52 #       <Jet8810> NTFS...?
23.47.58 #       <Hadaka> urgh, NTFS is worse
23.48.01 #       <Jet8810> hehe
23.48.10 #       <Jet8810> so what do you have in mind?
23.48.19 #       <Hadaka> oh, it's just a discussion
23.48.32 #       <Jet8810> i know, but what is a more productive filesystem you could format it with?
23.48.42 #       <PsycoXul> Jet8810: i'd like ext3 or reiserfs
23.48.50 #       <Hadaka> I have many of my important files on the archos as well - but they are in a big file that is mounted loopback that's reiserfs
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23.49.30 #       <Jet8810> yea I back up files to archos also
23.49.34 #       <Hadaka> and I'm content letting my MP3's be handled by some cruddy FAT32
23.49.38 #       <Hadaka> not backup - mounting directly
23.49.44 #       <Jet8810> ah
23.51.46 #       <PsycoXul> i just don't trust fat filesystems
23.52.04 #       <PsycoXul> from DOS 5 through win98 i've always had misc funkyness from them
23.52.19 #       <Hadaka> yeah, fat sucks in windows
23.52.41 #       <Hadaka> works like a dream in linux though - and dosfsck is pretty damn good at fixing things - though not as good as e2fsck ofcourse
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23.53.03 #       <PsycoXul> even in linux i get oddities on fat fs's
23.53.10 #       <MasterOfMagic> Yeah.
23.53.18 #       <Hadaka> what kind of oddities?
23.53.35 #       <PsycoXul> on my stepdad's box whenever i run a find in linux it comes back with "<Somesuch file or dir>: no such file or directory" or whatever on stuff that isn't there
23.53.47 #       <Hadaka> dosfsck should fix those
23.54.03 #       <MasterOfMagic> Has anyone tried mtools on the archos?
23.54.08 #       <PsycoXul> ah well i never tried that...
23.54.12 #       <MasterOfMagic> That might keep the problem at bay.
23.54.25 #       <Hadaka> well mtools are not for serious access of the filesystem anyway
23.54.34 #       <Hadaka> they are more prone for breaking things than the kernel filesystem
23.54.59 #       <MasterOfMagic> True.  Although I've never had them break anything.
23.55.06 #       <MasterOfMagic> kernel or mtools
23.55.13 #       <PsycoXul> i've never used mtools for anything that i can recall
23.55.26 #       <MasterOfMagic> It's good to keep from mounting floppies.
23.55.31 #       <Hadaka> for some reason, I've been able to replicate on two machine that mtools produce broken output if xmms is playing mp3's while copying :)
23.55.37 #       <MasterOfMagic> hehehe
23.55.44 #       <PsycoXul> heh
23.55.54 #       <MasterOfMagic> Maybe it's the RIAA lobyists inserting bad code into mtools. :-)
23.55.55 #       <PsycoXul> MasterOfMagic: whats wrong with mounting floppies? heh
23.55.55 #       <Hadaka> a friend complained loudly about that
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23.56.13 #       <Hadaka> and then I tested it and could make it happen as well
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23.56.19 #       <Hadaka> I don't use xmms myself
23.56.27 #       <PsycoXul> i used to use xmms
23.56.29 #       <PsycoXul> untill i got my archos
23.56.29 #       <PsycoXul> heh
23.56.41 #       <MasterOfMagic> PsycoXul:  Nothing, I just find in my setup (don't use floppies much) it's unnecessary overhead.
23.56.50 #       <MasterOfMagic> Me too.  Been an archos convert for about a month now.
23.57.05 #       <PsycoXul> i've had mine since last xmas
23.57.10 #       <Hadaka> my archos is broken now :( I should really take it apart
23.57.31 #       <MasterOfMagic> Well, I went to Circuit City here in the States and they said that the Recorder 20 had been recalled. :(
23.57.37 #       <MasterOfMagic> So I had to settle for a Recorder 15.
23.58.02 #       <PsycoXul> i picked it out cause out of all the options, it was the one that looked the most hackable, not to mention durable and best storage and space size for the money
23.58.24 #       <MasterOfMagic> Yeah.  I didn't want to shell out about $100 more for an iPod...plus it's great for recording lectures.
23.58.39 #       <MasterOfMagic> Plus I got 5 GB more than that iPod.
23.58.49 #       <PsycoXul> and so when i saw bjorn's initial page later that month with descramble.c and the LED blinker, it was exciting :p
23.58.59 #       <MasterOfMagic> hehehe