--- Log for 21.09.102 Server: brunner.openprojects.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 21 days and 13 hours ago 00.09.03 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@B268b.pppool.de) 00.13.40 # german.lang is buggy. There are strings without closing quotation marks. 00.15.04 Nick edx|tv is now known as edx|sleep (~edx@pD9EAB968.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.15.26 # was tv that boring? 00.21.15 # hmm 00.21.22 # lawnmowerman is a good movie indeed 00.23.46 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-35-1-217.bct.bellsouth.net) 00.27.03 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@AMontsouris-108-1-21-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.27.06 # youhou ! 00.27.20 Quit matsl|busy ("Client Exiting") 00.27.30 # youhou! 00.27.50 # (at least not yahoo...) 00.28.07 # evening, langhaar 00.28.43 # actually its _very_ early in the morning. So: Einen fröhlichen Morgen! 00.29.24 # einer frhöliches morgen indeed 00.30.12 # What's the time around you? 00.30.32 # 00:30 00.30.32 # CET 00.30.37 # :) 00.30.42 # same here 00.30.47 # hey, we live in the same time zone! 00.30.52 # :O 00.30.52 # :) 00.30.56 # i'm french 00.31.11 # bonsoir! :) 00.31.21 # I learned paragliding in france. 00.31.47 # parawhat ? 00.32.15 # does any of you guys have experience with wireless nic's for laptops? 00.32.36 # What's a nic? 00.32.45 # network interface card 00.32.59 # nop 00.33.02 # Ah. Not yet, but my boss intends to buy me one. 00.33.15 # I need to know how much the eqipment will cost 00.33.25 # I want to equip my laptop with a wireless network card 00.34.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.34.29 # So do I. There's too many cables running through my bed. 00.34.35 # well who doesn't ;) 00.34.52 # i guess it's not cheap 00.34.56 # * dwihno starts a quick search for hardware 00.36.20 # about 180e for a NIC (intel) 00.37.00 # is that green tooth? 00.37.02 # Then you need some kind of base station 00.37.02 # yes but 00.37.04 # äh blue 00.37.25 # accesspoint sounds good 00.37.36 # yes .. you also need the other side 00.37.38 # ouch 00.38.43 # 760e for the complete gear 00.38.50 # (including two wireless nic's) 00.43.11 # now that's expensive 00.43.16 # is it the cheaper ? 00.43.59 # why is jukebox blue edged instead of blue toothed? 00.44.21 # hm :)) 00.53.23 # good night. I'm gonna dream some code... 00.53.40 Quit langhaarrocker ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 01.14.58 # woo 01.15.03 # i got a violin and a guitar today 01.15.42 # the one'll be a major project to learn to play, the other'll be a major project to get into decent shape ($40 for a guitar, with shipping.. it needs refinishing, rewiring, new everything :P) 01.18.31 # you know how to play the guitar? 01.22.32 # yeah 01.23.28 # i try to play the bass 01.23.37 # for 3 years now 01.23.41 # and i still suck ;) 01.23.48 # heh 01.23.58 # yeah bass is hard 01.24.04 # you need to really stretch your hands far 01.26.50 # well 01.27.01 # i need a teacher, too ;) 01.27.15 # trying to learn by my own is not a good idea 01.27.30 # bah 01.27.33 # teachers are overrated 01.27.46 # i've been playing the guitar since i was like 13 01.27.57 # i'll be 22 in dec 01.28.06 # i never had any lessons 01.28.08 # you must be good 01.28.33 # well i've met plenty of people who're way better 01.28.43 # but i get out of practice a lot 01.28.48 # i haven't played much in the last year or 2 01.29.06 # every time i pick it up, i gotta practice for a few hours to re-learn it 01.29.14 # but i usualy pick up a few new things each time too 01.30.53 Join diddystar5 [0] (LeePilgrim@ACA2E871.ipt.aol.com) 01.30.59 # hey 01.31.48 # i play while playing a mp3, and trying to do the bass line 01.32.18 # heh 01.32.31 # yeah it must suck to play bass without anyone to play along with 01.32.38 # guitar's easier in that respect 01.32.43 # does the .lang files work yet? 01.32.54 Quit diddystar5 (Client Quit) 01.33.42 # yes it's true 01.34.13 # well I think I could find people to play with.. but I suck too much :) who would want to play with a beginer like me ! 01.34.35 # i prefer to play alone, so I can't be embarassed ;) 01.37.20 # hehe 01.37.32 # thats not a very good attitude 01.37.46 # what you gotta remember is that there's people playing every instrument at every skill level 01.38.03 # just find other people who're about as good at their instruments as you are at yours 01.38.06 # heh 01.38.18 # well hmm 01.38.34 # that'd be an idea 01.52.44 Join mecraw12 [0] (~mecraw@dnvr-dsl-gw34-poole209.dnvr.uswest.net) 01.53.48 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@dnvr-dsl-gw34-poole209.dnvr.uswest.net) 02.05.49 Join probonic [0] (~phil@host217-39-1-122.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 02.20.40 # se you all 02.20.42 # bue 02.20.44 Quit BoD[] ("MBLELOP") 02.34.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.07.06 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-away (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 03.45.03 Part probonic 03.51.06 Quit Jet8810 ("Client Exiting") 03.53.37 Join RedLeg [0] (~apotter@apotter.static.pa.net) 03.53.49 # Greetings! 04.31.16 Join merwin [0] (~none@12.242.185.10) 04.34.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.51.30 Quit m5jaz () 05.03.19 Quit edx|sleep (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.05.38 Nick seb-away is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 05.10.11 Quit merwin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.58.42 Join merwin [0] (~none@12.242.185.10) 05.58.47 # yoyo 05.59.32 # no yoyo's? 06.13.12 # heh 06.16.39 # hey 06.17.00 # sup 06.17.07 # i got my guitar and my violin today 06.17.08 # heh 06.19.48 # you play violin? 06.19.52 # and guitar? 06.31.21 Join edx|sleep [0] (~edx@pD9EAAB15.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.34.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.35.11 # edx|sleep: you sleep-irc'ing? 06.39.42 # i play the guitar 06.39.45 # i'll be learning the violin heh 06.42.28 # nice 06.42.46 # I have a friend who bought a $12,000 violin... now that's dedication 06.42.47 # :) 06.44.05 # heh 06.45.50 # personally 06.46.00 # i'd build 10 of my own before i spent that much on one :p 06.46.42 # heh 06.46.51 # there's a certain quality to $12,000 ones 06.47.15 # well yeah 06.47.15 # heh 06.49.53 # I've been slacking on the project and working on my ringtone converter software.... I'm not into the language stuff 07.04.35 # * merwin is going to sleep I think 07.04.36 # g'nite 07.04.45 # night 07.04.56 # good luck with the violin 07.05.00 # thanks 07.05.15 Quit merwin () 07.31.42 Join MasterOfMagic [0] (~thedebate@adsl-33-187-244.asm.bellsouth.net) 07.46.06 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-sleep (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 07.50.05 Quit MasterOfMagic ("[BX] Homer Simpson uses BitchX. D'OH! D'OH! D'OH!") 08.34.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.14.38 Join quelsaruk [0] (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 09.17.22 # hi 09.23.37 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@B49c1.pppool.de) 09.25.12 # It shouldn't be allowed that neither Zagor nor Linus are around. 09.26.03 # or bagder 09.26.04 # :P 09.26.10 # no sleep time 09.26.22 # no friday parties 09.26.33 # nothing at all, just work :) 09.26.40 # That's exactly what I'd like to talk about: sleep time (of threads) 09.27.43 # jajajaja 09.28.27 # langhaarrocker: it's just 9:30 a.m. in spain and in sweeden. Don't be so cruel 09.28.57 # It's the same time here! 09.29.04 # In germany. 09.29.24 # and why are you awake? 09.29.44 # Because I didn't want my thread to sleep either :) 09.29.59 # :) 09.30.09 # * langhaarrocker sloshes a bucket of cold water over LinusN * 09.30.42 # btw i hope you are not from bayern munchen (or the way to say that in german) 09.31.27 # No. I said germany. For us germans bavarians are foreigners. :) 09.31.56 # ¿? 09.32.14 # i'm talking about football 09.33.11 # Oh _that_. 09.33.12 # I don't care about soccer as long as Dortmund looses. I live in Dortmund and each time Dortmund wins something there's a big hubub for nothing. 09.33.35 # about nothing 09.33.54 # :) 09.36.57 # you don't use trillian by any chance, do you? 09.38.23 # trillian? 09.38.32 # no idea of what's that 09.39.12 # It's a instant messaging client for AOL, ICQ, Yahoo, irc, etc. 09.39.58 # no, sorry 09.40.39 # i'm quite classic it that kind of things 09.42.23 # it's only because I often saw people post a line that starts with * instead of their nick. I wonder how this technique might be called and wether trillian is capable of it. 09.42.48 # ahhh 09.42.55 Join bubba2u [0] (~bricem@202.59.cm.sunflower.com) 09.42.57 # just write /me something 09.43.05 # you mean like: 09.43.11 # * quelsaruk says hi 09.43.14 # yes 09.43.29 # it's an irc command, an action :) 09.43.47 # write /me (whatever you want to say) 09.44.31 # I wanted the slosh of water over LinusN / Zagor 09.46.29 # So you have some special kind of button to submit an action? 09.49.04 # no, you just have to write that in your command line. 09.50.22 # when an irc client gets a line starting with /me it will translate it into *langhaarrocker sloshes....... 09.50.39 # * langhaarrocker really? 09.50.43 # good morning 09.50.43 # yea 09.50.43 # cool 09.50.46 # Good morning langhaar 09.50.55 # good morning dwihno 09.50.59 # bienvenue, quel 09.51.33 # we don't have any italians here, no? 09.51.43 # :) 09.51.55 # same language ;) 09.52.02 # And no bavarians 09.52.13 # (I assume) 09.52.16 # :-) 09.52.25 # rule #1 - don't assume anything :) 09.53.11 # rule #2 don't assume rule #1 to be valid at all times. 09.53.22 # i asked because i may go to live to trento next week 09.53.26 # does anyone here know if the reason the archos can't record from line in is hardware or software based? 09.53.55 # you men the player? It has no encoder hardware. 09.54.02 # mean 09.54.36 # jukebox recorder 09.54.49 # it should record form line in 09.54.55 # quelsaruk: how do you say good morning in español? 09.55.01 # Yo! Español! :D 09.55.03 # buenos dias dwihno 09.55.09 # buenos dias! :D 09.55.10 # hmm ... specs say that it only records from the internal mic 09.55.13 # Reminds me of Zorro! 09.55.14 # I only use the line in for recording. 09.55.18 # Lanciers, get him! 09.55.26 # jajaja 09.55.28 # i'll have to give it a try 09.55.38 # bubba2u: try to change rec soruce at menu 09.55.47 # i mean source 09.56.42 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 09.56.50 # hi zagor 09.56.59 # still wet? 09.57.01 # hi 09.57.20 # if you are the boss you have to wake up at 9:00, not at 10:00!! 09.57.22 # :) 09.57.27 # thanks quel 09.57.37 # quelsaruk: :-) 09.57.38 # Zagor: I tried to slosh a virtual bucket of water over you in order to wake you up. 09.57.51 # aah 09.57.56 # :) 09.58.26 # * langhaarrocker passes Zagor a hair dryer 09.59.40 # wb, Zagor 10.02.13 # wb? 10.02.26 Part bubba2u 10.02.34 # I made a few experiments with mas volumer readout / sleep in thread / time and so on. 10.02.34 # Conclusion: As soon as I make the busy thread less busy (eg. with sleep(1)) it becomes useless because it reads out the mas only once or twice between screen updates. -> The meter becomes less accurate than it can be. 10.03.50 # Without sleep it drains the batteries with read 5 - 25 values / 8 - 10 ticks 10.03.56 # langhaarrocker: what worries me is that since we have no thread prioritizing, your meter will "steal" cpu from things like the bitswapper, resulting in higher risk of skipping etc. 10.04.49 # I guess there's no single entry point for thos critical threads? 10.05.01 # no 10.06.07 # Zagor: Tell me about the t-shirt contest :) 10.06.12 # Who is the grand winner? 10.10.17 # lol 10.11.57 # why? 10.12.44 # bagder is handling the thsirt contest. my hands are clean :-) 10.13.10 # hahaha 10.13.17 # and we have to believe you? 10.13.19 # ummmm 10.13.23 # really? 10.13.26 # you have little choice :-) 10.13.34 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@pD952000D.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.13.40 # Time for dictatorship? 10.16.07 # :-) 10.16.17 # The result is only 2 days overdue ;) 10.16.50 # Now that's time enough for manipulation. 10.16.57 # jejeje 10.17.15 # you just have to look at rockbox name contest 10.17.32 # That's what I'm referring to :) 10.17.33 # there was some kind of strange stadistics 10.17.38 # :) 10.18.36 # Zagor: you can kill us, but you'll never mute our voices :) 10.19.09 # My propfont has been raped! :¨¨( 10.19.38 # dwihno: i think you should take uwes version and make a "director's cut" 10.20.38 # indeed 10.20.43 # He still saved a lot of time 10.22.18 # breakfast time, see you later! 10.22.25 Nick quelsaruk is now known as quel|out (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 10.28.01 # cu later 10.28.14 Quit langhaarrocker ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 10.31.42 Quit tot|away (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.32.05 Join tot|away [0] (tot@pD952000D.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.34.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.45.31 # mecraw: are you away? 10.46.03 # no, but i'm a little tipsy 10.46.19 # :) 10.57.52 # He still saved a lot of time 10.57.54 # oops 10.59.47 # Zagor: you there? 11.00.51 # yup 11.02.00 # will the idle power off need another thread? 11.02.13 # no 11.02.49 # could it be stuck into the button thread? 11.05.42 # yeah, maybe 11.06.50 # YAAAAAAAAAAY! 11.06.56 # I got it working ;D 11.07.08 # I was thinking that a sleep function could piggyback off of idle poweroff as well 11.07.54 # is it ok to check global_settings from the firmware files? 11.08.52 # no 11.11.56 # so, we would need to use a thread on the app side then and just have some flag on the firmware side stating whether there has been any button pushes or if a song is playing 11.12.09 # yes 11.13.57 # are there any threads on the app side? 11.14.10 # i don't see any 11.14.26 # um... maybe there aren't... 11.18.50 Quit tot|away () 11.19.57 # do you know if anyone else is working on this? 11.20.50 # i don't think so 11.21.38 # i think i'll take a look at it this weekend... it looks like the backlight might be a good model to use 11.21.39 # i suggest you add it to the button thread, with an api to turn it on or off 11.21.50 # yeah, backlight could be good too 11.24.43 # I'll see what I can come up with. I'm sure it'll need some massaging by you, Bagder or Linus though. :) 11.25.02 # no worries 11.25.24 # all right, it's almost 3:30am... time for bed 11.25.29 # good night 11.25.44 Nick mecraw is now known as mecraw|zzz (~mecraw@dnvr-dsl-gw34-poole209.dnvr.uswest.net) 11.26.03 # night 11.28.43 # hey 11.28.58 # the new daily build suck, they have the old font ! 11.29.32 # huh? that's odd... 11.30.14 # yeah 11.31.20 # umm, that's because there is no daily for recorder. the latest is 0920. 11.31.43 # i took the cvs build 11.31.48 # from the page 11.31.55 # ok 11.32.34 # ist 020921-1101 11.32.51 # works for me 11.33.06 # what do you mean with "old font"? 11.33.39 # the fixed 11.33.40 # one 11.33.45 # a 11.33.46 # ahh 11.33.47 # fix 11.33.58 # much too big 11.34.25 # that's not the old font, that's the new font. and it will stay. if you want another font, copy it to /.rocbox/default.fnt 11.34.38 # ahh 11.34.39 # ok 11.34.44 # where can i get the 11.34.47 # fonts ? 11.35.12 # you want to have that big font as default ? 11.35.53 # ok 11.35.55 # yes, I want the default to be similar to what people are used to from the Archos firmware. otherwise they will get confused and complain a lot. 11.35.57 # i have found the fonts 11.36.04 # hmm 11.36.04 # ok 11.39.17 # can it only be loaded at startup ? 11.40.21 # hmm 11.40.27 # where can i get font files ? 11.40.33 # these from cvs 11.40.33 # uwe_prop is not readable! (http://rockbox.haxx.se/fonts/) 11.40.37 # do not work 11.41.44 # don't forget to convert them 11.41.53 # ahh 11.41.53 # ok 11.42.15 # hmm 11.42.19 # i cannot load them 11.43.37 # dwihno: fixing 11.44.10 # Zagor: grazie 11.44.15 # my utility is fixed :) 11.44.19 # No need for long long's 11.44.29 # Just a struct combined of two double-words did the trick 11.44.33 # which utility is that? 11.44.39 # just a suggestion: dir filtier in quick menu, should also switch hide/show hidden files 11.45.31 # Zagor: Just a little parser utility. 11.45.42 # TotMacher: i'll add show/hide to F2+RIGHT 11.45.54 # hmm 11.45.57 # Good idea, TotMacher 11.46.06 # why to have to functions ? 11.46.11 # i alway use f 11.46.14 # filter 11.46.16 # because they are two options 11.46.21 # the i want just quick to switch 11.46.32 # but think about the user 11.46.38 # too much options are confusion 11.47.02 # we might integrate the two into one, yes 11.47.31 # ah 11.47.37 # Thinking user friendly, are we? :) 11.48.36 # hehe 11.55.04 # dwihno: multilanguage support was just to be a bit more user friendly.. or not? :) 11.55.40 # maybe to make them feel comfortable and strike them back afterwards... 11.56.41 # heheh 12.13.56 # :) 12.20.01 Quit quel|out (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.20.39 Join quelsaruk [0] (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 12.23.40 # font page now has preview images of the fonts 12.24.00 # :D 12.24.02 # cool 12.24.10 # wau 12.25.00 # Zagor: tell me how you did that. I'm curious 12.25.09 # which part of it? 12.25.17 # generating everything 12.25.20 # including the images 12.25.46 # some perl script parsing the .fnt and creating a png through libpng or such? 12.25.54 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/fonts/Makefile http://rockbox.haxx.se/fonts/bdf2bmp.c http://rockbox.haxx.se/fonts/listfonts.pl 12.26.33 # i found bdf2bmp.c with google 12.26.46 # ah, okay 12.26.56 # so you're using some kind of html script generator stuff?= 12.27.00 # and bmp2png? 12.27.23 # the html generator is simple perl: listfonts.pl 12.28.17 # it bugs out when calling it directly ;) 12.28.33 # ah, right you can't see it. hang on. 12.29.19 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/fonts/listfonts.txt 12.30.15 # zagor 12.30.19 # that doesn't work 12.30.34 # what doesn't work? 12.30.43 # that last link 12.30.48 # Zagor: what kind of templating system do you use? 12.30.56 # quelsaruk: works for me 12.31.00 # umm 12.31.17 # now i'm using that kidn of S.O. called win2k 12.31.37 # dwihno: a simple preprocessor. see http://rockbox.haxx.se/fonts/index.t 12.31.41 # you know.. that kind of toy 12.31.51 # quelsaruk: well, not much I can do about that :-) 12.31.53 # and it doesn't work here 12.32.29 # :) 12.32.53 # dwihno: head.t and foot.t is in the root: http://rockbox.haxx.se/head.t 12.33.17 # Zagor: so generating html is just running make? :) 12.33.20 # yup 12.34.13 # and you use perl for evaluating the expressions? 12.34.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.35.12 # A rather interesting approach indeed 12.36.05 # no perl is just for this font list, not for the template system 12.38.31 # how does the template system work then? 12.38.52 # fcpp 12.38.58 # I use a modified C preprocessor to convert .t files to .html files. 12.39.02 # exactly 12.39.23 # got URL? :) 12.39.32 # hang on... 12.43.33 # uh, don't know. bagder seems to have removed the link from his home page. we'll have to ask him later. 12.43.48 # mkay 12.43.50 # at the bottom of this page: http://daniel.haxx.se/source.html 12.44.14 # ah, it can be found here: http://www.contactor.se/~dast/stuff/ 12.47.40 # :) 12.48.10 # * Zagor is adding a __FILEDATE__ macro 12.50.15 # in the preprocessor? 12.51.08 # are there any case-insensitive strstr's? :) 12.51.30 # yes, i've always wanted that macro for use in my web pages 12.52.37 # :-) 12.52.38 # mkay 13.00.06 Nick edx|sleep is now known as edx (~edx@pD9EAAB15.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.05.46 # mkay 13.05.48 # eeps 13.06.03 Nick dwihno is now known as dwihno|gone (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 13.06.03 DBUG Enqueued KICK dwihno|gone 13.24.28 Nick quelsaruk is now known as quel|out (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 13.25.51 Join linuxstb [0] (~dave@dsl-212-23-31-215.zen.co.uk) 13.27.14 # Hello all. I'm planning on adding some kind of "cue file" support to Rockbox this weekend. Does anyone want to discuss? 13.30.45 # cue file? 13.32.19 # linuxstb: how is your plan? 13.33.26 # I'm a bit confused about how it relates to m3u playlists. It seems to me that there are many similarities between a cue file and a playlist. 13.34.12 # not really. m3u files tell you which files to load. a cue file tells you where in a single file each track begins. 13.34.52 # But both m3u and cue files contain a list of tracks 13.36.06 # no. cue files contain a list of indices into an image. don't they? 13.36.21 # if they contain several files, what is the purpose of cue files? 13.36.53 # Yes. But I'm thinking from a more abstract level. 13.37.20 # [Zagor - no, I think cue files only relate to a single file] 13.38.31 # Maybe I've been thinking about this too much :-) 13.39.35 # :-) it seldom pays to abstract things too much. you will probably have to hack playlist.c to work differently if the "playlist" is a .cue file instead of an .m3u file. 13.41.33 # My first problem is actually finding out what the format of a cue file is. All I can find is examples - no definitive documentation. 13.42.12 # ok 13.43.04 Join gizz [0] (gizz@lyon-1-a7-62-147-19-45.dial.proxad.net) 13.43.51 # Hi all ! 13.44.19 # zagor: 1 question : 13.44.38 # Zagor - I think I will just start hacking and see what happens. 13.44.44 # linuxstb: ok 13.45.02 # I'll post patches to the mailing list when something happens. Bye for now. 13.45.09 Quit linuxstb ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.0") 13.47.26 # zagor: would there be some interest in making some SDL backend for uisimulator ?? I've tried some work on it, and I just ask you for your opinion (if it works, Mac users (for example) could compile and play with uisimulator too.. So ? 13.48.36 # sounds like a good thing. we haven't done it simply because we have what we need. but if you or someone else contributes it, we'll definitely consider it 13.48.48 # true ? 13.48.49 # :) 13.49.22 # well, I'm not (yet) an SDL expert, but so I can continue to deal with it, just to see what happens ... 13.49.32 # the critical issue is that it mustn't mean more work for building the x11 sim, which is the workhorse 13.49.44 # sure, do so 13.50.12 # (just to mention : I can't compile neither the win32 one : that's why I jumped in it) 13.50.26 # ok 13.50.41 # BTW : I started with the X11 sources, just to mention (it's the cleaner I suppose :) 13.50.42 # i don't think SDL or not is the reason for that, though... 13.50.51 # :) 13.52.57 # zagor: the main reason for SDL jump : I've seen it in action in scummvm@sf and I'd just loved the result ! I thought : why not with rockbox ?? 13.55.03 # ok back to work... see you, bye ! 13.55.15 Quit gizz () 13.56.15 Quit quel|out ("KVIrc 3.0.0-beta1 "Eve's Avatar"") 14.18.36 Quit TotMacher () 14.24.08 Join tot|away [0] (tot@ip113.rsidus.riege.de) 14.25.32 Join EnnaN [0] (bla@CC53164-B.GRONI1.GR.HOME.NL) 14.25.46 # hello 14.26.15 # hi 14.26.42 # ah: read on the site you might be needing translators? any dutch helping yet? 14.27.26 # yep, we have a nederlands.lang already. you can always proofread it though :-) 14.28.20 # well, if you're not confident it's a good trans.. 14.28.57 # i think it's pretty good, two dutch people have looked at it already. but a third look can't hurt. 14.29.12 # sure..where i gettit? 14.29.22 # get it i mean 14.29.24 # http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/rockbox/apps/lang/ 14.30.34 # i'm looking at rather long desc...is that correct? "algemene instellingen" is rather long... 14.30.58 # "new:" is the line you should look at 14.31.39 # i know 14.31.49 # but i dont know how long those menu items can/should be... 14.32.06 # most lines scroll, so lentgth is not a big issue 14.32.19 # i'd rather see a short menu-name that a rather lengthy one that's scrolling..ok, never mind. 14.32.43 # if you can come up with a good short name, that's better of course 14.32.53 # eeuhm, what i do with things that are 'wrong' (at least things I think are wrong) 14.34.14 # copy the file to a new file, then run "diff -u oldfile newfile" and send the diff to the mailing list 14.34.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.34.40 # check 14.41.14 # *n00b-mode* -what- mailinglist? announce? cvs? sf? */n00b-mode* 14.41.58 # the development list: rockbox@cool.haxx.se 14.42.11 Quit mecraw|zzz (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.42.23 Join mecraw|zzz [0] (~mecraw@67.41.113.155) 14.42.40 # ok 14.42.43 Quit mecraw12 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.43.00 Join mecraw12 [0] (~mecraw@67.41.113.155) 14.50.22 # hmm.. should i be seeing the *whole* file, if i only changed 1 line???? 14.50.46 # use -ub instead of just -u to ignore whitespace changes (such as newline format) 14.51.45 # still getting it..i just changed a couple of spelling errors, but i'm getting the whole file... 14.51.56 # omg i should be able to do this ... (bangs head on keyboard) 14.52.02 # strange 14.52.54 # ok test: *cp ned.lang n.lang* 14.52.58 # *diff (bla) 14.53.02 # no output 14.53.05 # (that's good) 14.53.12 # i change 1 letter in the first line 14.53.17 # *diff bla 14.53.24 # whole file output... 14.53.33 # what is your exact diff command line? 14.53.58 # diff -u ned.lang n.lang 14.54.01 # and 14.54.08 # use "diff -ub ned.lang n.lang" 14.54.27 # use -ub instead of just -u 14.54.59 # hmm. ok, now most of the lines are dissapeared...xept for some strange ones...hmm lemme f*ck with this a little 14.55.58 # ah gottit... 14.57.17 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@pD952000D.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.59.52 # on her way... 15.02.31 # nice 15.03.51 # some very weird spelling in there :) 15.04.02 # (btw, is "spelling" correct english??) 15.04.17 # yes 15.09.59 Join elinenbe [0] (elinenbe@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) 15.15.24 Quit tot|away (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 15.15.36 Join tot|away [0] (tot@pD952000D.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.15.52 Quit tot|away (Client Quit) 15.24.08 Join tot|away [0] (tot@p5084AE97.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.24.23 Quit tot|away (Client Quit) 15.24.46 Join tot|away [0] (tot@p5084AE97.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.32.41 # ? 15.33.50 # ! 15.36.42 Quit tot|away () 15.37.10 # ***tot|away has joined #rockbox 15.40.58 Join tot|away [0] (tot@ip113.rsidus.riege.de) 15.42.16 Join _Snorlax_ [0] (kalopsegot@h135n1fls34o883.telia.com) 15.42.26 Quit TotMacher (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.43.04 # Zagor: you here? 15.43.13 # yup, but i'm about to go out 15.44.18 # just wondering how you are going to achive different languages on the player? 15.44.28 # using the configurable chars 15.44.51 # so you can make the char whatever you want? 15.45.01 # yup 15.45.16 # games might be possible then :) 15.45.20 # oh, they are 15.45.48 # each char is how many pixels by how many 15.46.00 # 5x7, i think 15.46.23 # gotta go, see you later 15.46.27 Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|away (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 15.46.41 # and there are two rows of 11 15.46.45 # later. 15.47.11 # we are talking about a 55x22 size screen? 15.47.54 # <_Snorlax_> how do u activate a new language? 15.48.22 # with the activator silly. 15.48.59 # <_Snorlax_> ... 15.49.26 # tools/configure lets you choose language 15.49.41 # <_Snorlax_> huh? 15.50.14 # <_Snorlax_> so u have to be a programmer to change language...?! 15.50.39 # tetris would be possible on a 55x22 screen 15.51.05 # _Snorlax_: currently you have to be able to compile, but this may change in the future. 15.52.30 # <_Snorlax_> ahupp 15.57.39 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-35-1-217.bct.bellsouth.net) 16.12.26 Nick seb-sleep is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 16.34.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.35.39 Quit _Snorlax_ ("gittar ny!") 16.46.37 Quit tot|away () 16.53.29 Quit EnnaN ("Leaving") 16.58.08 Quit Jet8810 ("Client Exiting") 17.04.57 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 17.04.57 # * laotan waves 17.05.29 # how's the stability of the cvs version? 17.46.08 Nick mecraw|zzz is now known as mecraw (~mecraw@67.41.113.155) 18.02.38 Nick edx is now known as edx|away (~edx@pD9EAAB15.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.09.42 Join tot|away [0] (tot@p508D8E75.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.34.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.37.31 Nick Zagor|away is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 18.37.48 # hmhm 18.38.29 # laotan: stability is good 18.49.16 # Zagor: we are talking about a 55x22 size screen? 18.49.28 # Zagor: something like tetris would be possible on a 55x22 screen 18.51.25 # well, only 8 chars are programmable, so we can't fill the screen with custom chars 19.05.16 Nick dwihno|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 19.05.16 DBUG Enqueued KICK dwihno 19.36.52 # Zagor: we can program these characters on the fly? 19.36.56 # yup 19.37.15 # it's used to animate a progress meter on the player wps screen 19.37.28 # does the player work like the recorder with a screen buffer that you write to and then update the display? 19.37.38 # no, it's updated instantly 19.37.55 # hmm... can we program a character -- place it, then reprogram and place? 19.38.18 # thus giving an unlimited number of characters? 19.38.19 # it changes immediately when we reprogram it 19.38.27 # oh. I see. 19.38.43 # so we need to make a clever algorithm 19.39.06 # I guess the algorithm would need to be REALLY clever to make that work. 19.40.07 # nah, it shouldn't be that difficuly 19.41.16 # so, you are telling me that it may be possible to treat the screen as a 55x22 pixel screen. (using custom chars) 19.41.48 # no 19.42.12 # I feel like singing 19.42.14 # Let's sing! 19.42.24 # then what were you talking about "nah, it shouldn't be that difficuly" 19.42.28 # i'm saying it's possible to handle sporadic characters with the custom-chars, so we can display things like åäö and ¿ on players 19.42.40 # Zagor: nice stuff done with the font code! :-) 19.42.43 # i mean for mp3 use, not for games 19.42.46 # dwihno: thanks 19.43.20 # system.fnt is default.fnt nowadays? 19.43.33 # dwihno: yes, and placed in /.rockbox 19.44.22 # why could it be used for mp3s and not games? 19.44.46 # it could be used for both, but my first prio is for mp3 use 19.44.59 # what I am thinking here is each char is 5 bytes. 19.45.32 # we write to a buffer to program the font on the fly, and then display it? 19.45.50 # almost. we write directly to the lcd controller 19.45.57 # ok, yes you're right 19.46.08 # we first define the char, then we display it 19.46.53 # okay... 19.47.29 # well, I am just thinking tetris would be quite a possibility. 19.47.52 # I have a small idea 19.48.31 # Some kind of "USB mode" text _should_ be displayed while the unit is connected via USB 19.50.06 # since when hasn't there been? 19.50.22 # or am i just reading too little of a middle of a conversation? heh 19.50.53 # For the Recorder 19.51.08 # The Recorder just shows a (pretty cute and neat ^_^) icon 19.51.18 # ah 19.51.21 # i see 19.51.42 # dwihno: why is a text necessary? 19.52.06 # Zagor: It will look more like the Archos firmware, making new user feel more comfortable. 19.52.20 # I think my hard drive died. 19.52.27 # looking like the Archos firmware makes nobody feel comfortable :P 19.52.28 # anyone have any suggestions? 19.52.32 # dwihno: i think few people can misunderstand the usb screen :-) 19.52.39 # it was turned on in my bag, and now it no longer boots :( 19.52.58 # elinenbe: let it charge 19.52.59 Nick edx|away is now known as edx (~edx@pD9EAAB15.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.53.12 # elinenbe: why was your bag listening to music? 19.53.21 # elinenbe: how does it not boot? - is it like showing the first bit of the progress bar and then just turning off? 19.54.22 # I let is charge. 19.54.36 # Zagor: The users are dumb ;) 19.54.43 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 19.54.43 # * dwihno sure is ;) 19.54.48 # Need for any new gfx btw? 19.54.52 # shows first bit of progress bar (first 4 boxes) and then stops. 19.54.56 # backlight stays on 19.54.59 # * dwihno is getting the hang of making 1bit gfx ;D 19.55.07 # elinenbe: i had a similar problem but it turned off then 19.55.21 # dwihno: we could use some cool animations. everybody likes animations :-) 19.55.29 # and i fixed it by putting a bit of metal into the battery case (contact was not too good - but that cant be your problem) 19.55.41 # batterys are not the problem. 19.56.00 # yes i see.. 19.56.09 # Zagor: Ah... I'll make some 3D stuff ;D 19.56.14 # lol 19.56.18 # Zagor: how many vertices do you think the CPU can handle? :) 19.56.47 # hehe 19.56.55 # 2? ;) 19.57.26 # Another idea (as discussed earier today) ... making "hide files" a F2 submenu option 19.58.12 Nick edx is now known as edx|away (~edx@pD9EAAB15.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.58.44 # i think i'll rather remove the hide files option and make music filter toggle that too 19.58.54 # indeed 19.59.00 # that's a better idea 19.59.07 # too many options will probably just confuse the users 20.00.34 # dwihno: seriously, i think some nokia-style animations would be nice 20.01.13 # Zagor: Ahh. I see! 20.02.33 # how do i turn this thing off programmatically? i only see system_reboot in system.[ch] 20.02.58 # mecraw12: we haven't done an api for that yet 20.03.11 # uh oh :( 20.03.53 # Zagor: nokia style animations would make it look so professional 20.03.57 # fix the timer, and test it with reboot 20.04.22 # Zagor: will do, i'll probably stub out a shutdown, but let you guys handle the implementation 20.04.32 # elinenbe: yeah, i think many people would like it 20.04.50 # mecraw12: excellent 20.05.29 # Zagor: do you know how disk writing is coming? 20.06.10 # it's a bit "on ice" right now. we'll be releasing 1.4 first, without disk writing and recording 20.06.25 # Zagor: just curious: did persistent WPS setting become undesirable, or it just hasn't been gotten to yet? 20.07.15 Quit tot|away () 20.07.39 # it's there. add a /.rockbox/default.wps and you've got it 20.08.00 # oh, you mean the settings saving? ooops, i forgot that one 20.08.08 # right, that one :) 20.16.16 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-35-1-217.bct.bellsouth.net) 20.16.16 Quit RedLeg (Remote closed the connection) 20.25.27 # Zagor: Uwe has totally raped my font! :¨¨( 20.25.46 Nick edx|away is now known as edx (~edx@pD9EAAB15.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.32.43 Mode "#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 20.32.55 Topic "http://rockbox.haxx.se/TODO" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 20.33.23 # All Yay to the ppl enabling cool fonts :) 20.33.48 # i'd like some nice big fonts to test with. anyone got some? 20.33.57 # There are some on the font site 20.33.59 # hm 20.34.01 # but I guess you already tested that 20.34.08 # i want bigger :-) 20.34.12 # Haha 20.34.16 # u can use ttf2bdf -p XX to get large fonts 20.34.18 # 20x16 or something like that 20.34.19 # Use TTF2BDF then :) 20.34.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.34.37 # ttf2bdf doesn't do a very good job. the fonts look like crap :-( 20.35.10 # but u only want large fonts not nice fonts, ey? :) 20.35.34 # hehe, well nice fonts are better. then bugs stand out more. 21.01.02 Nick edx is now known as edx|pizza (~edx@pD9EAAB15.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.01.25 # * mecraw12 wants some pizza too 21.01.57 # today there's pizza boycot in italy 21.01.58 # :) 21.02.28 # lol. why? 21.02.48 # i heard in the radio, they protest against the high prices (euro...) 21.02.54 # haha 21.03.03 # :) 21.09.59 Nick edx|pizza is now known as edx (~edx@pD9EAAB15.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.21.57 # Pizza ist sehr gut 21.23.19 # grr now I'm hungry again 21.23.22 # edx: you available for some chit-chat? 21.23.35 # dwihno: yup 21.23.57 # pizza is indeed very good ;) 21.27.37 # edx: I was just thinking how hard it is to adapt the .mak's to work with the current language stuff, just to make the current CVS build without tweaking it :-) 21.28.03 # i dont know how the lang stuff works at all 21.28.37 # how can I use the lang filesa? 21.29.16 # you use perl to genlang a lang.[ch] 21.29.27 # then you generate a default font too 21.29.30 # edx: pass LANGUAGE=deutsch as parameter to the app/Makefile 21.29.43 # tools/configure does that automatically 21.29.55 # the win32 mak's are a bit ... spccial ;) 21.29.56 # hmm well.. configure wont run in windows 21.30.06 # unless you use cygwin but then you can use the normal makefile anyways 21.30.12 # i know, that's why i gave you the gritty details :-) 21.30.38 # do i have to generate the lang stuff? 21.31.10 # apps/Makefile does that, but it may or may not work in win32 21.32.01 # hmmmm 21.32.14 # i guess ill need a win32 version of genlang first, right? 21.33.09 # loooooooooool 21.33.14 # hm 21.33.56 # just download perl 21.34.06 # it's now part of the required build tools 21.34.22 # $(OBJDIR)/build.lang: lang/$(LANGUAGE).lang 21.34.22 # perl ../tools/uplang lang/english.lang $< > $@ 21.34.27 # thats this one.. ok 21.34.43 # yea i have perl already. 21.34.47 # ok 21.35.46 # is there a way under linux to leave usb mode without unplugging the cables? 21.36.09 # no 21.36.21 # k 21.37.02 Join _Snorlax_ [0] (bluah@h135n1fls34o883.telia.com) 21.45.40 # hmm Zagor: genlan uses sh?! 21.46.44 # looks like perl to me 21.47.13 # definitely perl 21.47.15 # no system() or backquotes 21.47.21 # yea.. my mistak (yes its perl but maybe the perscript uses sh - was another mistake) 21.48.14 # where is lang.h? 21.48.28 # should be generated by genlang 21.48.51 # it's in the rockbox dir then 21.48.51 # aha 21.50.16 # lang.c:33:24: warning: multi-line string literals are deprecated 21.50.18 # whats all this? 21.50.41 # hm 21.50.46 # shouldn't be. what does the line look like? 21.51.00 # maybe another \n\r quirk 21.51.13 # yeah, could be 21.52.13 # but: it works with LANGUAGE=ENGLISH 21.52.20 # LANGUAGE=DEUTSCH oder LANGUAGE=GERMAN? 21.52.30 # deutsch 21.52.38 # hmmm 21.52.42 # font.o(.text+0x2c): undefined reference to `sysfont' - ok how is this done? 21.52.43 # (as the name of the file in ./apps/lang ) 21.52.59 # edx: look in firmware/Makefile 21.53.12 # tools/confbdf makes a sysfont.c 21.53.18 # ok 21.53.20 # is that perl, too> 21.53.25 # ? 21.53.26 # c 21.53.28 # aha 21.53.31 # convbdf 21.53.32 # so i need to recompile then 21.53.53 # is there anyway to tell if the USB is connected without receiving the event? 21.54.41 # yes. but you should use the event. 21.56.05 # i'm not really in a thread though... i'm just using button.c to call my countdown function 21.58.39 # hmm cool - convbdf compiles without problems in windows it seems 21.58.56 # shall I upload the win32 compilation to cvs? 21.59.43 # what did you change? 22.08.34 # i didnt change anything - i mean just the compiled file 22.08.50 # (you have linux compileations uploaded as well, havent you?) 22.11.27 # no, compiled files are not in cvs 22.14.11 # oh.. ok then 22.14.20 # but ill have to make a win32.mak as well then 22.14.24 # to compile the tools 22.15.03 # yay :) i got it to compile now :D 22.15.28 # tools/Makefile is *very* simple. win32 compilers should be able to use it. 22.16.49 # yes... ill give it a shot 22.17.06 # makefile(9) : fatal error U1033: syntax error : '=' unexpected 22.17.06 # Stop. 22.17.11 # there you go :/ 22.18.25 # hm 22.18.33 # if i change the := to = it works (til line 22) 22.19.13 # hm 22.19.19 # maybe thats a gmake extension 22.25.07 # 295.85 MB .ajz files have been downloaded from the site so far 22.25.13 # wow :) 22.25.14 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/statistics/ 22.25.42 # or, uh, that's just in september... 22.25.48 # yikes! 22.26.10 # WOW 22.27.57 # Zagor, shall I add the win32.mak for tools to cvs now? (it compiles everything except for the bmp2rb.c source) 22.28.26 # what doesn't work with the normal Makefile? 22.29.59 # because it does a) not understand the := syntax and b) the compiler uses totally differen falgs (namely none) and c) one file wont compile [but the makefile will try to compile it and mine wont] 22.30.14 # and d) the $+ stuff is not understood (and i dont know what it means) 22.30.58 Quit _Snorlax_ ("gittar ny!") 22.30.58 # we can skip the := syntax and just use = 22.31.21 # i can understand the clean target doesn't work 22.32.12 # $+ should be replaced with $< in this case 22.34.10 # aha 22.34.12 # ill try :) 22.34.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.35.17 # makefile(28) : fatal error U1000: syntax error : ')' missing in macro invocation 22.35.21 # that is the clean line 22.35.57 # and if I remove that line: 22.35.59 # NMAKE : warning U4006: special macro undefined : '$<' 22.37.18 # the target names need a .exe append as well 22.37.57 # i really think that rewriting the makefile is better - we have a win32.mak in every module then .. 22.38.17 # ok 22.39.01 # tools are not autocompiled with the apps makefile, right? 22.40.30 # no 22.40.41 # ok 22.40.44 # all seems to work now 22.40.50 # *checking for player models* 22.41.55 # hmm I get an error there: 22.42.10 # sysfont.c:19: parse error before "_font_bits" 22.42.16 # and a number of following errors.. 22.42.44 # player isn't supposed to compile sysfont 22.42.50 # was just about to say that, yes 22.44.48 # ifeq (RECORDER,$(findstring RECORDER, $(CFLAGS))) 22.44.56 # somehow this line does not work with the make i have 22.44.59 # (the GNUSH make) 22.45.28 # odd. that should be standard gnu make syntax 22.46.16 # hmmm 22.46.52 # GNU Make version 3.78.1, by Richard Stallman and Roland McGrath. 22.46.52 # Built for Windows32 22.46.55 # thats teh version 22.57.43 # hmm the ifeq lines just seem not to work :/ 23.05.19 # Oh joy! 23.05.26 # * dwihno is master of strategy 23.06.53 # dwihno: i guess i cant fix it this time :( i need a working ifeq statement.. 23.07.17 # edx: is there none? :/ 23.07.52 # edx: why is a ifeq statement required? aren't there any workarounds? 23.10.50 # i just made a (a little bit ugly) woraround 23.10.52 # might work now 23.11.08 # actually it did work 23.12.45 # ok fine.. now i can finally upload my work ;) 23.14.22 # dwihno: are you able to check stuff out and run a quick test compilation right now? 23.29.02 Quit _seb_ ("$iq") 23.29.59 # what's the difference between playing and is_playing in mpeg.c? 23.30.13 Join sx [0] (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 23.30.40 Nick sx is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 23.31.40 Quit mecraw12 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.34.39 Join mecraw12 [0] (~mecraw@67.41.113.155) 23.37.56 # static bool playing; /* We are playing an MP3 stream */ 23.37.56 # static bool play_pending; /* We are about to start playing */ 23.38.17 # static bool is_playing; /* We are (attempting to) playing MP3 files */ 23.38.58 # i'm thinking that the idle poweroff should shutdown when the unit is paused, do you agree? 23.39.34 # i guess so, yes 23.39.48 # how do i know when we're paused? 23.40.03 # is_playing returns true when paused 23.40.09 # paused == true 23.40.24 # yes it does 23.40.33 Quit laotan (Remote closed the connection) 23.40.50 # we might need a new api for this 23.41.32 # i'm basically done except for that part... i even found a power_off() in power.h 23.42.00 # ok 23.43.19 # should i send it to the list as is, or put in a paused function into mpeg? 23.45.01 # how does it work now? 23.45.35 # i put two settings in the system menu: Idle poweroff and Sleep timer 23.45.56 # sleep timer is an absolute timer regardless of activity 23.46.26 # idle will shutdown if their is no music is playing and no activity has occurred in the specified time 23.46.52 # ok. submit it like this, with a comment about pause. 23.47.02 # edx: I can check it out and test. 23.47.06 # actually the idle timer only shuts down when music is stopped 23.47.41 # dwihno: cool. do so. 23.48.02 # C:\wip\src\rockbox\tools>make -f win32.mak 23.48.02 # make: *** No rule to make target `scramble.exe', needed by `all'. Stop. 23.49.29 # hm 23.49.30 # hmhm 23.49.36 # you dont use the gnush make there 23.49.58 # nmake rather (from visual c++ or something like that) 23.50.59 # I use gnush make 23.51.00 # no success 23.51.10 # GNU Make version 3.79.1, by Richard Stallman and Roland McGrath. 23.51.10 # Built for mingw32 23.51.13 # i mean you cant use gnush make there 23.51.15 # thats what i meant 23.52.42 # do you have a win32 make or something like that (NOT for SH1 but for Win32) 23.54.01 # ah, okay 23.54.05 # what make do I need then? 23.54.16 # i use nmake from visualstudio 23.54.16 # ah 23.54.17 # nmake 23.54.18 # hm 23.54.27 # it's not possible to build with gnu make` 23.54.27 # ? 23.54.47 # nope 23.55.06 # :/ 23.55.07 # why? 23.55.17 # you need a windows compiler 23.56.28 # but the makefile ain't that advanced 23.57.24 # so gnu make will never work again :( ? 23.57.32 # * dwihno does not have visual studio stuff 23.57.45 # dwihno: you should be able to use the normal Makefile 23.58.33 # Zagor: even without cygwin? 23.59.00 # as long as you have a gnu make