--- Log for 25.09.102 Server: brunner.openprojects.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16p1 Started: 25 days and 13 hours ago 00.01.10 # one may want to have a scroll speed of 8 and a step size of 6 (like normal charcell scrolling) in order to save resources 00.02.18 # btw. "save resources", do we spin when idle or calling 'halt' or something? 00.02.42 # we are never idle 00.02.59 # the kernel always schedules the next thread 00.03.05 # that will change, though 00.04.04 # does sh1 support halting for power saving? 00.04.25 # sort of. there are a few low power modes. 00.05.11 # jots! another item on the wish list ;-) 00.05.58 # hehe, yeah. we just need to fix the kernel to be a bit more aware of what's going on, so it can skip scheduling threads that are sleeping or waiting for mutexes or queues 00.06.12 Join YeAhx [0] (~aarond@66.81.88.2) 00.06.23 # then we might be able to save another ~15-20 mA 00.07.35 # hello 00.07.58 # hi 00.08.16 # im having trouble figuring something out 00.08.56 # is there a way to set the player to not repeat? 00.08.58 # 15-20 mA? that may be about an hour! 00.09.08 # yup 00.09.16 # YeAhx: no, not yet 00.09.21 # cause I couldnt find an option in the settings 00.09.48 # damn 00.10.12 # ok I didnt think so, just checking 00.10.25 # guess I should have it pluged in when I lay down with it then 00.10.25 # YeAhx: we hope to fix that soon 00.14.01 # thats cool, its not a big deal 00.14.02 # I thought this morning that my player was off because the folder finished playing and it shut off after being idle, but I guess it just not 00.17.31 # freshmaker: the scrollbar is not visible in sound settings, but it should. can you see why? 00.17.58 # moment, let me see... 00.18.05 # ooh a scrollbar 00.18.42 # is that in the latest cvs build? 00.18.51 Quit edx ("later") 00.18.53 # YeAhx: only on recorder 00.21.16 # hmm, i have a scrollbar in sound settings -- with both fonts atadore and clR6x8. but this build was pre split of lcd.c 00.21.34 # ok 00.22.26 # I'll find out 00.23.29 # hmm, i'll build from latest cvs and check. but i'll have to reboot. will never mess with BSD's usb stack again. promise. :-) 00.23.40 # :) 00.23.47 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 00.23.47 # * freshmaker is rebooting his machine. again. 00.23.49 Quit freshmaker ("ChatZilla 0.8.9 [Mozilla rv:1.1/20020914]") 00.32.42 Join YeAhx1 [0] (~aarond@66.81.88.2) 00.33.17 Join freshmaker [0] (~chatzilla@pD95886AF.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.33.47 # Zagor: Hmm, I can't reproduce the problem 00.34.22 # strange 00.34.45 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@Bdce7.pppool.de) 00.34.50 # which font did you use when it happened? 00.34.59 # compiled-in 00.35.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.37.05 # Guy #1: I hear if you play the NT 4.0 CD backwards, you get a Satanic message. 00.37.13 # Guy #2: That's nothing. If you play it forward, it installs NT 4.0. 00.37.55 Part langhaarrocker 00.38.04 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Philipp@Bdce7.pppool.de) 00.38.05 # it's a joke. laugh. :-) 00.38.15 # hmm, this is a fresh cvs build. no local patches applied. i'm starting it with rolo. tried both versions with and w/o games+demos. no problem. 00.38.36 # yahaha, just finishing that long line 00.40.04 # odd. i'll look at it again tomorrow. i'll check in the scroll code with just step size setting, tweak on it more if you feel like it. i need some quality bed time! :) 00.40.31 # Is there a chance for the peak meter to get in V1.4? 00.41.14 # Zagor: Then good night. Or good what-ever-you-will-do ;-) 00.41.35 # langhaarrocker: i don't think so. i'm still undecided about it. 00.42.12 Join datazone-work [0] (~datazone@chaos.iadfw.net) 00.42.20 # ok 00.43.40 # maybe a web page with patches that won't get committed due to policy? 00.46.10 # If they're useful patches why not change them so that they meet the need of code police. Otherwise we don't need them. 00.46.19 # not many patches are so clearly policy-breaching. it's just some who like to walk on the edge :-) 00.46.39 # i'm going to bed. see you in the morning (for me). 00.46.40 Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") 00.47.44 # i can imagine features, that only targets a few people. too few to get into the mainstream version, but still useful for those who need them 00.49.32 # Yes, I can think of one: serial data transfer with digital cameras. But I think that things like that still should be in the main cvs tree but must be enabled specificially at compile time. 00.49.43 # Just like it is with games / demos right now. 00.49.58 Quit YeAhx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.51.13 # hmm, some things just mess up the code. 00.52.22 # Maybe you're right. But I still believe that it is not necessary to have things messing up the code. They could be changed not to mess up the code. 00.52.39 Part YeAhx1 00.56.26 # of course. but what if nobody wants to do the work? but i agree, what ever fits should be committed 01.01.23 # Well someone wrote the code. If he wants to get it into rockbox he'll have to make sure he meets a few rules. I learned a lot just by obeying the rules here on rockbox. 01.06.23 # yeah, but also one may write a patch because he needs this or that, but simply doesn't care about a commitment. 01.09.00 Nick seb-away is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 01.09.06 # Yes, that might happen. But I see difficulties with collecting patches like that. As rockbox grows things will change and then we'd have lots of patches bumping around somewhere that only work on some old versions of rockbox. I consider that confusing. If the feature is not trash it must be maintained. That is only possible with reasonable effort when the patch goes into cvs. 01.10.52 # gonna get me a nap. 01.10.55 # cu. 01.10.59 # cu. 02.24.22 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-away (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 02.35.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.43.29 Quit langhaarrocker (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.43.58 Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@67.41.113.155) 02.45.23 Nick seb-away is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 02.58.25 Quit freshmaker ("ChatZilla 0.8.9 [Mozilla rv:1.1/20020914]") 03.17.13 Quit datazone-work ("BANG!") 03.20.32 Join dfg [0] (~prv@24-168-60-244.nyc.rr.com) 03.21.12 Part dfg ("Client Exiting") 03.22.00 Join dfg [0] (~prv@24-168-60-244.nyc.rr.com) 04.11.38 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.36.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.55.20 Quit dfg ("Client Exiting") 05.33.23 Join heltrskeltr349 [0] (~helrejljl@66.227.163.49.kzo.mi.chartermi.net) 05.33.55 # question: how do I use the custom fnt fonts? 05.40.38 Quit heltrskeltr349 () 06.01.29 # adi? 06.31.56 # yeah? 06.32.46 # I just wanted to commend you on your restraint. 06.33.24 Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-sleep (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 06.36.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.36.50 # 06.37.08 # T-shirt contest --> Winner: The winner will be announce really soon. 06.37.22 # Wasn't it supposed to be annouced last thursday? ;) 06.37.48 # details details 06.38.04 # wasn't 1.4 supposed to have FAT write :) 06.38.19 # details details ;) 06.38.34 # hehehe restraint on the FAQ email :) 06.38.58 # adi|home: exactly 06.39.13 # * adi|home thinks he needed a bit more bite.. but thats okay :) 06.40.57 # mecraw12: as opposite to the FAT writing code, the winner has already been chosen :) 06.41.28 # Why are Swedes so secretive? :) 06.43.41 # because we still are the ABBA champions? 06.45.00 # I'd keep that secret too :D 07.22.17 Quit Synthe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.22.18 Join Synthe` [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 07.23.37 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 07.23.38 Part LinusN 07.23.50 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 07.24.11 # morning, LinusN 07.24.19 Mode "#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 07.24.25 # morning 07.25.03 # mecraw12: split personalities? 07.26.40 # yep 07.26.50 # home and laptop 07.27.52 # hehe 07.28.33 # i can't do irc from work, i get rockbox deprived during the day :( 07.28.44 # poor you 07.28.49 # firewall? 07.28.56 # or just no time? 07.29.27 # firewall 07.29.53 # i need to setup a bouncer at home once i figure out how to access my machine from the outside 07.30.33 # do you have HTTP access? 07.30.40 # yep 07.30.47 # or rather HTTPS 07.30.51 # yep 07.31.11 # so the problem is reaching your home machine from outside? 07.31.37 # yep 07.31.38 # you can set up an HTTPS tunnel through the firewall 07.33.20 # i have dsl through msn right now and the modem they gave me has its own firewall 07.33.55 # i found a document on the web written by our very own merwin on how to configure, but his directions aren't working for me :( 07.34.03 # aha 07.42.56 Join Synthe [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) 07.45.14 Quit Synthe` (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 07.45.14 NSplit brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 07.45.14 Quit adi|home (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 07.45.14 Quit Schnueff (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 07.45.14 Quit seb-sleep (brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 07.45.36 NHeal brunner.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net 07.45.36 NJoin seb-sleep [0] (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 07.45.36 NJoin Schnueff [0] (~mah@wjpserver.cs.uni-sb.de) 07.45.36 NJoin adi|home [0] (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-128.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) 07.56.10 # LinusN: why do we want to remove the button_set_repeat/release() mask functions and add them as a parameter to button_get()? 07.57.09 # because Bjorn doesn't like it 07.57.41 # the problem is that all functions has to set and reset the masks all the time 07.57.48 # but he just spent a lot of effort pulling the font argument out of the lcd string functions 07.57.56 # a kind of a "hidden" state in the button driver 07.58.00 # it seems inconsistent 07.58.05 # i think so too 07.58.29 # we have had many long talks about that 07.59.43 # ok, i was just curious 07.59.51 # time for sleep, good night 08.00.24 # night 08.13.31 Join Mighty [0] (mboss@h92n2fls35o931.telia.com) 08.13.39 # hello 08.13.43 # hi 08.14.00 # what is it the 'simulator' in the rockbox cvs simualte? 08.15.24 # the user interface and most parts of the firmware API's 08.15.40 # for application development without the hardware 08.16.07 # ahh, nice 08.16.25 # that must ease up development quite a bit 08.16.49 # it sure does, and it was very helpful before we had all the drivers working 08.17.21 # we could create the GUI parts before we could run them on the hardware 08.17.45 # one has to compile the rom for x86 target to run it in the simulator ? 08.18.28 # sort of, you just compile the firmware/application code in the simulator "mode" 08.18.52 # with your x86 compiler, Visual C for Windows and gcc on Linux 08.19.16 # impressive 08.19.34 # you get an executable that opens a window with the rockbox display 08.19.40 # and off you go 08.20.02 # no accurate MP3 playback, but the UI parts are almost identical 08.20.04 Join rwood [0] (~rdwrockbo@ca-santaanahub-cuda3-c9b-117.anhmca.adelphia.net) 08.20.08 # i rwood 08.20.09 # hi 08.20.20 # evening 08.20.23 # :-) 08.20.27 # morning 08.20.43 # half a world away - amazing concept 08.20.48 # * LinusN gets some coffee 08.20.49 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 08.21.05 # i've been thinking from time to time about trying to contribute to the project but I've not been able to figure out something funny to add ... 08.22.01 # but this simulator appears to be a great thing,, I really have to set up an sh1 compiler this morning.. and start testing things :-) 08.22.26 # Zagor: i have been doing some testing, the blank screen isn't just a function of read errors - it appears that if the mp3 bufffer goes empty, the blank screen occurs 08.23.06 # rwood: yes, if the id3 data is empty. but when does that happen? 08.24.04 # Mighty: you dont need an SH1 compiler if you only are simulating 08.24.58 # Zagor: in some high vibration situation when the read gets held off long enough for the buffer to empty? 08.25.33 # rwood: yeah, maybe. 08.25.45 # like in a motocycle tank bag... :-) 08.25.55 # rwood: did you have a patch for read retry? 08.26.43 # Zagor: jheiner added the backlight_time(4) in tree.c, something about backlight not timing out in USB mode 08.26.54 # Zagor: i was in the process of testing - i shock the hell out of my player trying to get a "real" disk error 08.27.34 # Zagor: it would delay - then read - the drive must be doing some retries its self - that's what led me to look at the buffer going empty 08.27.44 # ah 08.28.55 # Zagor: i patch debug to set a flag if the flag is set i delay 2 min in read_sectors. when the buffer goes empty, the display stops, when the read completes, the display goes blank 08.29.07 # the mpeg thread stops the DMA when the buffer goes empty 08.29.09 Join Bagder [0] (~dast@callisto.contactor.se) 08.29.13 # yo Bagder 08.29.16 # morning 08.29.42 # maybe it should just leave the DMA on 08.30.05 # it must still be "kick-started" again when data arrives 08.30.20 # it seems that the firmware should be able to recover from that situation 08.31.07 # LinusN: after a completed buffer-fill, restart dma if stopped? 08.32.45 # gotta go 08.32.48 Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") 08.35.15 # rwood: the mpeg code also signals a track change when the buffer goes empty 08.35.30 # that probably explains the empty screen 08.35.46 # tricky stuff... 08.36.01 # and why it takes a key stroke to get it started again 08.36.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.36.17 # today there is no good way of telling when the last song has stopped playing 08.36.52 # we could insert a dummy ID3 tag info in the mpeg id3 queue... 08.37.41 # just to have a track_offset 08.39.42 # signaling the track change on buffer empty doesn't seem quite right - are error codes from read_sectors being checked or is it assumed the buffer empty is the result of an unrecoverable error? 08.39.45 # how did you figure out how to descramble the rom ? that must have been a lot of work? 08.40.19 # Mighty: yes, quite some cryptanalysis work 08.40.38 # rwood: it is the DMA interrupt that signals the track change 08.40.43 # and the key to the whole project 08.41.20 # the buffer running empty is assumed to be the result of having played all data, i.e the last song 08.41.34 # I was amazed, didn't think someone would figure out how to do it.. 08.42.00 # Mighty: much of the cleartext is known, since it is bound by the architecture 08.42.28 # the interrupt vectors, the address range, the opcodes 08.43.16 # the DMA IRQ does not know about read errors in the mpeg thread 08.43.29 # quite sad archos spend that much time on making their products more closed... they could have used that time fixing bugs.. 08.44.21 # LinusN: is there a way to for mpeg to check if there is a read pending/executing? 08.44.38 # Mighty: indeed, they don't gain much by being so secretive 08.45.19 # LinusN: or are DMA and mpeg somewhat independent? 08.45.46 # rwood: actually, there is a "filling" flag to check... 08.46.18 # LinusN: don't signal if filling? - then how to kickstart? 08.47.49 # good morning! 08.48.04 # Mighty: it is very common to scramble ROM contents in the consumer product world 08.48.10 # bobTHC: hi! 08.48.17 # morning bobTHC 08.48.39 # rwood: the DMA IRQ has to set a flag telling that dma is off 08.48.51 # i think there already is one, iirc 08.49.23 # so all that needs to be done is to call start_dma() after the swapping is done 08.50.24 # LinusN: i think that it takes this fix plus read retry to really cure the problem that people have reported 08.50.41 # maybe with the help of the play_pending flag 08.52.37 # LinusN: i'm in over my head looking at your application code - i'll try to help by continuing to nibble around the edges of the system stuff 08.53.38 # you mean you don't want to write application code? 08.54.24 # LinusN: i write emulators and diagnostics - old fashion bit slice stuff mostly 08.54.54 # me too 08.55.14 # or rather, i write mostly low-level stuff 08.55.15 # LinusN: i am a rude novice at C - i'm much more at home in assembly 08.56.04 # not that much assembly programming nowadays, but a whole lot of assembly code reading 08.57.46 # we should rewrite rockbox into assembler to keep the magic level up ;-) 08.58.01 # indeed 08.58.24 # LinusN: i've looked at the code in the archos disk driver, they have a much tighter loop for reading - i wish the code police would allow some assembly where it would have a real impact on performance 08.58.27 # I mean, we do rubbish, don't we? 08.59.53 # LinusN:i'm approaching retirement, so i don't have to learn too many new tricks 08.59.57 # rwood, feel free to optimize and benchmark 09.01.13 # the code police allows assembly code if it pays off 09.02.05 # LinusN: speeding up disk transfers would reduce the time that the drive has to spin - how much is the question - i'll take a look at it 09.04.00 # LinusN: is there any documentation on the format for in-line assembly, i haven't been able to find it 09.05.56 # rwood: the documentation on inline assembly is really sparse 09.06.19 # you can find it in google 09.06.57 # http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Assembly-HOWTO/gcc.html 09.07.04 # rwood: the question is how much faster the disk transfer will be 09.07.19 # it basicly says, check the linux kernel for good examples ;-) 09.07.35 # and the GCC internals, for the constraints 09.08.11 Join quelsaruk [0] (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 09.08.15 # hi 09.08.46 # Bagder: is there any possibility to disable remote control on the recorder? 09.08.46 # morning quelsaruk 09.08.58 # why do you wanna disable it? 09.09.07 # i must have some kind of problem on line out 09.09.51 # and when i move my recorder and touch it, the recorder power off or stops playing... 09.09.52 # LinusN: the loop gets executed once for every two bytes - taking 2-4 instructions out of the loop might be significant 09.10.45 # so if i don't have a remote control i might want to disable it 09.10.47 # :) 09.11.05 # long time ago who talk about a homemade IR Remote control, someone work on it ? 09.11.22 # s/who/we 09.13.26 # rwood: depending on how many instructions there were in the first place :-) 09.14.55 # LinusN; i looked at archos and rockbox, if i remember correctly, archos has 20-25% fewer instructions in the loop 09.15.16 # Bagder? 09.15.19 # LinusN: i don't remember the numbers - just the impression at the time 09.15.40 # quelsaruk: no, we don't have any current means to disable it 09.15.55 # some reciever already exist and can be adapt to the rockbox... plug on "ear" like http://people.a2000.nl/rwvgesse/FixFrame.htm?pic_atmel.htm 09.16.54 # ok 09.16.57 # well i mnust go 09.17.00 # see you later 09.17.34 # night all - looks like 1.4 will be a real KICKASS release 09.17.41 # night rwood 09.17.46 # night 09.17.46 Quit quelsaruk ("KVIrc 3.0.0-beta1 "Eve's Avatar"") 09.17.48 Quit rwood () 09.24.36 # it's too early to talk about remote... 09.24.39 # :) 09.33.55 # moin 09.34.42 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@uranus.contactor.se) 09.47.17 # moin Zagor 09.55.27 # hi ho 09.56.15 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip67.rsidus.riege.de) 09.56.34 # hi 09.58.07 Join langhaarrocker [0] (~Phil@dsl-2129324-098.ip.versatel.de) 09.58.41 # Zagor: You didn't sleep really long did you? 09.59.15 # hehe, well i got a good 7 hours 09.59.47 # We wouldn't allow you more anyways... :9 10.00.13 # nah, we don't want him to go soft ;) 10.01.12 # Bagder: Now that it's autumn - would you allow him a t-shirt? 10.01.29 Join pyvasene [0] (~pyvasene@ns1.alcove-solutions.com) 10.02.04 # soon, when we get subzero degrees he might get one B) 10.02.28 # * Zagor shivers silently 10.02.49 # feature freeze? 10.07.49 # Zagor: about the stkov from yesterday, it happens with the default WPS but not with another custom WPS i tried 10.08.04 Join mbr [0] (~mb@stlx01.stz-softwaretechnik.de) 10.08.09 # Hi there! 10.08.09 # wb mbr 10.08.16 # ok. we should bully Linus into repeating it with his gdb recorder 10.10.06 # * LinusN hides 10.10.50 # the stkov message is probably not a "real" stack overflow, but a static buffer overflow 10.10.59 # the scroll stack is overwritten 10.11.07 Quit TotMacher () 10.11.15 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip67.rsidus.riege.de) 10.11.18 # look in the map file to see what buffers are before the scroll stack in memory 10.11.26 # probably the font buffer 10.11.27 # where to find? 10.11.32 # debug menu? 10.11.33 # archos.map 10.12.45 # whats the name of it? 10.12.55 # the stack 10.13.35 # scroll_stack, i guess 10.13.47 # hm 10.13.48 # w8 10.14.16 # damn, it's static 10.14.25 # yes 10.14.40 # declare it global and recompile 10.14.53 # will it be in the same position then? 10.15.33 # probably 10.17.12 # two occurences of scroll_stack in archos.map thn 10.17.13 # then 10.17.44 # yeah! I've built my own sh1 compiler ;-) 10.17.53 # grats 10.19.15 # Will there be a feature freeze for V1.4 before the weekend? 10.19.26 # yes 10.21.14 # yay, turkish! 10.21.21 Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|away (~bjst@uranus.contactor.se) 10.23.57 # If I post the perfect peak meter code before dawn - might it be considered for 1.4? 10.25.19 # langhaarrocker: only if you pay us a truckload of money :-) 10.25.22 # it's quite sad they didn't use the large lcd display on the old archos players... 10.25.34 # langhaarrocker: i need it to handle ADC peaks too 10.25.46 # what for? 10.25.50 # one feels quite limited when one just have that elder small display.. and it feels dumb to pay that much money just to get the new one/recorder 10.26.14 # Mighty: you don't get just a larger display 10.26.36 # you get much better sound quality, and recording 10.26.43 # and USB2.0 10.26.56 # hmm, that's nice 10.27.06 # i have both 10.27.06 # but it's a lot of money :-) 10.27.09 # indeed 10.27.21 # what's the soundquality improvements ? 10.28.05 # it drives with more power ? that's one of the things I've seen may complain about in ajb testreports 10.28.35 # better phone amp, better codec with more eq options 10.28.36 # the bass doesn't come to its rights even when using larger headphones 10.29.10 # gosh, let's stop talking about this.. so I don't buy one... 10.29.15 # it'd ruin my economy 10.29.48 # :-) 10.29.58 # As far as I'm concerned: I wouldn't get an extra recorder unless I need to record. 10.30.41 # langhaarrocker but if one uses the jb a -lot- that extra soundquality might be quite appreciated 10.31.35 # if you write an GameboyROM emu for the recorder,, I'll buy one tomorrow ;-) 10.31.44 # langhaarrocker: you _have_ a recorder, don't you? 10.31.48 # gameboy has more pixels 10.31.50 # :) 10.34.54 # LinusN: yes - of course I have a recorder! I need recording. 10.36.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.38.31 # so then you don't know what it is like to have a Player 10.39.25 Part bobTHC 10.40.59 # LinusN: I had one for two days because my dealer sent me the wrong unit. 10.42.03 # langhaarrocker: does you unit shut down or reboot on auto-poweroff? 10.43.02 # I think it reboots but let me have another try. 10.44.18 # It does reboot. 10.44.29 # hm, mbr could just repeat the stkov with the current cvs 10.45.14 # langhaarrocker: that sucks 10.45.41 # But that might be also because I don't have the original hd any more. I upgraded it with a IBM 20GB drive. Since then I don't have to press and hold the on button to start the machine. A simple tip on on is sufficiant. 10.46.17 # langhaarrocker: the HD change did that? 10.46.29 # I believe so. 10.47.03 # my ON button is like that too, but my unit still powers off 10.47.16 # i can't see how the HD can affect that 10.48.19 # I remember there were a problem with the ajb hd sometimes got locked up some time ago, could that happen today with the later sources and/or anything else that might danger the ajb so one might have to go through pains resetting the hardware ? 10.50.08 # it can happen anytime, even with the archos firmware, but it is very very very rare 10.50.22 # ok, feels safe to know :-) 10.50.43 # LinusN: I thought maybe the IBM drive spins up faster. 10.50.55 # we managed to trig it when experimenting with early RB code that didn't set up the HD 10.53.32 # LinusN: do you still have the original hd? 11.01.15 # no 11.02.06 # So when did your recorder start to behave like that - starting with just tipping the on button? 11.03.13 # can't remember, i think it's always been like that 11.05.11 # Bagder: Was the t-shirt contest won by a nice design? 11.48.01 Quit Mighty ("BitchX: for distribution only with a new PC") 11.53.24 # langhaarrocker: can you try a poweroff test for me?= 11.53.43 # yes. For you I'd do almost anything. 11.53.53 # well almost. 11.54.32 # What do you want me to try? 11.54.59 # great. before the call to power_off() in powermngt.c, insert a call to backlight_on() 11.57.00 # that may load the VCC a little more, to prevent the unit from starting up again 11.59.24 # * langhaarrocker is waiting for power off 12.01.55 # * langhaarrocker s darned recorder reboots 12.02.21 # damn 12.02.35 # did you see the backlight? 12.03.13 # I usually have it on all the time. Now I switched it off. Let's see what happens. 12.03.36 # so the backlight was on when it rebooted? 12.03.42 # yes 12.03.46 # ok 12.04.56 # As expected: another reboot that turned on the light. After boot finished -> light off. 12.35.27 Join bobTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.35.33 # re 12.36.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.36.30 Quit TotMacher (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.56.54 Part bobTHC 12.57.55 Quit pyvasene (Remote closed the connection) 13.23.32 Join bobTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.25.29 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip67.rsidus.riege.de) 13.31.07 # http://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/dest/pic_761.html 13.31.37 # holy cow! 13.32.11 # the cow must be Zagor, I presume ;-) 13.32.34 # holy pig! 13.32.36 # :) 13.32.37 # Who are the wearers? 13.32.48 # left to right: Zagor, Linus and me 13.33.00 # the stkov comes with many fonts 13.33.30 # and its no related to scrolling, since default wps without %s crashes too 13.33.43 # but default wps without %s and without last line doesnt crash 13.33.54 Nick Zagor|away is now known as Zagor (~bjst@uranus.contactor.se) 13.34.23 # http://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/dest/pic_785.html 13.34.25 # * Bagder grins 13.34.31 # Linus made the shirts ;-) 13.34.53 # dyslexic Linux I should add 13.34.56 # Linus 13.35.00 # * Bagder can't type either 13.35.01 # He kept telling tey were your responsiblity. 13.35.29 # btw, this is not the official nor winning tshirt design 13.36.10 # here's the full collection of odd pics: http://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/dest/ 13.37.24 # rockboxers@ the pub ... ;) 13.38.38 # yeps 13.38.47 # They're not _all_ rockboxers, are they? 13.38.50 # no 13.39.08 # only six units were present 13.39.21 # hehe u call urself units :) 13.39.48 # Let me guess non of the 6 units was used as music device? :) 13.40.06 # correct 13.40.13 # ;-) 13.43.22 # On my head is more hair than on Zagors, Linus and Bagders together. 13.43.27 # hehe 13.43.32 # thats easy 13.43.52 # LinusN: keinehaarrocker 13.44.01 # :*) 13.45.02 # aha, wir muessen aufpassen, was wir sagen:) 13.46.14 # haha 13.55.21 Join pyvasene [0] (~pyvasene@ns1.alcove-solutions.com) 13.59.07 Join Mighty [0] (mboss@h92n2fls35o931.telia.com) 13.59.09 # hello 13.59.20 # hiya 13.59.47 # yo 14.00.13 # ftp://suntea.d2g.com/pub/uisim.jpg 14.00.27 # I get a quite odd looking effect on the uidisplay 14.00.41 # not sure whether something has gone wrong of if I'm missing a fontfile 14.01.00 # Mighty: the player sim is like that right now 14.01.15 # the new font code made it, um, confused :-) 14.01.20 # it needs attention 14.01.30 # its a cry for help! ;-) 14.01.36 # poor thing 14.01.48 # * Zagor pats playsim on the head. There there... 14.01.52 # ok 14.02.12 # Zagor: is playsim hairy? 14.02.18 # hmm, odd :-) 14.02.25 # langhaarrocker: quite :) 14.03.11 # Zagor: If I post perfect peak meter code before dawn - would it be considered for V1.4? 14.03.21 # langhaarrocker: yup 14.03.36 # i'm afraid to ask what "perfect" means :-) 14.03.52 # Eg no threads doing busy read. 14.04.37 # how will you solve it then? 14.05.22 # Not at all. I decided we don't need to have an accurate peak meter while playing. It just should look nice and smooth and that's about it. 14.05.52 # When we get recording it might become a completely other animal. 14.06.17 # hmm 14.07.00 # langhaarrocker: and that is soon, i'm afraid 14.07.38 # Zagor, any clue on how soon the simulator interface will be looking ok again :-) 14.07.49 # well, then it would be for recording only anyway 14.08.02 # Mighty: as soon as someone fixes it! 14.08.20 # recording? Really? 14.08.20 # * langhaarrocker is jumping up and down in joy 14.08.26 # * Zagor cleaned up the web site left-menu 14.08.44 # langhaarrocker: i recorded my first MP3 frames yesterday 14.09.57 # bye bye Archos firmware. 14.13.12 # and welcome kickass rockbox recorder !!!!!! 14.13.40 # I neither associate rockbox with ass nor with kicking. 14.13.46 # :) 14.14.02 # :) 14.14.09 # Zagor don't forget to add info before 1.4rel on how to name/place the different roms so they're found by ROLO 14.14.48 # i think i have found a world-record ID3V2 tag!!! 14.14.59 # guess how big it is? 14.15.20 # 10k 14.15.28 # bigger 14.15.33 # 25k 14.15.33 # > 50k? 14.15.52 # you're not even close 14.15.57 # is an mp3 within the id3 tag? 14.16.18 # 1Mb? 14.16.22 # not really 14.16.27 # 800K 14.16.33 # * Zagor faints 14.16.39 # a huge BMP 14.16.47 # uncompressed? 14.16.49 # neat 14.16.54 # that's the example the "i can't play VBR files" gave me 14.16.56 # all mp3s should have tags like that 14.17.25 # More V than BR I say. 14.17.30 Quit TotMacher () 14.17.54 # didn't he claim that V1.3 played it? 14.18.25 # yeah, 780K bmp fed to the MAS ;-) 14.18.46 # can it both sound and look good at the same time? :-P 14.19.17 # If we encounter bmps in the tag we should display it on the lcd. 14.19.29 # sure, send in the code ;-) 14.20.04 # the hard part is to resize it 14.20.06 # who make a id3v2 tag with bmp ? 14.20.10 # We need a new bitmap tag for the wps 14.20.10 # and deal with all the colors ;-) 14.20.46 # Concerning colors: wasn't there someone who exchanged the leds? ... 14.21.10 # backlight ? 14.21.43 # yes. When we get them flicker - could we than make the lcd full rgb? :) 14.22.48 # maybe if one switches the pixels on/off fast enough one can get greyscale :) 14.22.59 # one can transform the ajb recorder into having colordisplay you know 14.23.41 # Then we only need to reprogram the MAS and we have the MMJB. 14.23.47 # "to view this bmp, please just replace your LCD with a better one and then press ON" 14.23.53 # use red/green and blue pens and just make extremly tiny r/g/b dots on the display very carefully above each pixel :-) 14.24.06 # ARGH! 14.24.31 # heh 14.25.04 # LinusN: tell me again, what should i look in archos.map for? 14.25.25 # what data is positioned before the scroll stack in memory? 14.25.38 # there are two entries for scroll_stack 14.25.51 # i'm not experienced in reading .maps :| 14.25.58 # i can see that :-) 14.26.10 # can you explain how i can reproduce it? 14.26.15 # the bug 14.26.23 # yes, actually, it happens with a lot of fonts 14.26.46 # turn on your record, switch to, e.g. 6x10.fnt, then play smth 14.26.56 # then you should get Stkov scroll 14.27.10 # you have to play? 14.27.18 # yes it happens with the WPS 14.27.24 # should be default WPS, btw 14.27.26 # default wps? 14.27.29 # ok 14.29.18 # taking out the %s tag in the default WPS crashes too, so, it's probably not connected with scrolling 14.32.02 # got it crashed? 14.33.12 # impatient? :-) 14.33.23 # sorry, just curious :) 14.33.45 # * Schnueff takes a nap :) 14.36.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.36.30 # can someone take a bunch of new screenshots? things have changed a lot since 1.2 (which our current screenshots depict) 14.36.35 Join quelsaruk [0] (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 14.36.41 # hi 14.37.17 # hi 14.37.43 # Hi quetsalcoatl. 14.37.49 # Zagor: will lang files have an icon? (or do they have it already?) 14.38.08 # langhaarrocker: your nickname is even stranger than mine :) 14.38.23 # quelsaruk: they have already. a little flag. 14.38.29 # ok 14.38.30 # :) 14.39.00 # Schnueff: ok, i can reproduce it, firing up gdb... 14.40.20 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip67.rsidus.riege.de) 14.40.24 # * Schnueff wakes up. 14.40.56 Join Baa6599 [0] (~d549820b@chat.ircnet.org) 14.41.35 # hi there, I am having a problem with the firmware from rockbox on my 20gig recorder 14.41.51 # is there maybe anyone who can help me out? 14.41.59 # what's the prob? 14.42.00 # shoot 14.42.13 # * langhaarrocker takes cover 14.42.26 # * LinusN puts his helmet on 14.42.33 # * Bagder buckles up 14.43.13 # I updated the firmware with yours (very nice features btw) then all the characters from the directories and filenames got scrambled with stuf like ???? 14.43.17 # then one of your members suggested me to format the hd, did that (with XP) 14.43.34 # XP...uh uh... 14.43.50 # that didn't solve the problem either.., I have put some files and dirs back and now I get an empty dir. 14.44.01 # wow 14.44.32 # Baa6599: just one question did you made secure un-plug before disconecting your jukebox? 14.44.37 # so.... I would really love to use your software as the one from archos not complete enough 14.44.37 # you did remove the archos safely, right? 14.44.52 # hmm....that honestly I don't know ;-) 14.44.56 # ummm 14.45.02 # the empty dir sure looks like you didn't 14.45.04 # i had a problem like that once 14.45.30 # okidoki..gonna test some now then ;-) 14.45.52 # run scandisk 14.45.57 # or.. if you have norton 14.46.03 # run norton disk doctor instead 14.46.20 # it's better than windows scandisk 14.46.26 # don't have norton 14.46.31 # should I run scandisk first? 14.46.35 # yea 14.46.46 # okidoki, will do 14.47.02 # i had to run norton disk doctor to correct TOC 14.47.36 # nad a lot of errors made by un-pluging the jukebox not correctly. 14.47.43 # *and 14.48.01 # btw, are the latest builds any good? I saw some nice features there 14.48.16 # lunch time, cu later! 14.48.20 Nick quelsaruk is now known as quel|out (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) 14.48.51 # Baa6599: they're good 14.51.24 # damn...scandisk takes long 14.51.36 # Although the snake games tend to vanishing 14.51.45 # btw, if I format a hd, normally the errors are gone aren't they? 14.52.21 # only duplicate snakes go away ;-) 14.52.23 # If there are any errors left you have a serious problem with the hd 14.53.11 # ;-) I hope not, this is my second recorder now, the first one suddenly decided to crash 14.55.33 # Did Archos exchange it without complaining? 14.56.05 # yep, got a hd failure which I couldn't fix myself, all the data lost..aargghhh 14.56.24 # Do you record a log? 14.56.29 # a lot? 14.57.24 # couple of gig 14.59.00 # btw, does anybody have any experience with the new multimedia player? 14.59.23 # I had a lot of trouble with scandisc detecting errors on my hd. Now I move each file I recorded with the archos to the computer and back to the jukebox again. This way I don't get any complaints by scandisc any more. 15.00.24 # Baa6599: Someone claimed that it seems to have a different firmware scramling. 15.00.43 # its a totally different beast 15.01.16 # http://rockbox.haxx.se/lang/ 15.02.49 # I still am waiting for languages like thai, chineese or something arabic... 15.03.08 # yeah, with 1.5MB font graphics ;-) 15.03.24 # each glyph is loaded from disk 15.03.31 # thai isn't that weird actually 15.03.41 # its just an alphabet 15.04.07 # Does Archos sell in Thailand? 15.04.48 # why doesn't archos take over some of your firmware? it seems a lot better then theirs? 15.05.01 # Bagder: do you speak thai? 15.05.29 # no 15.06.33 # Baa6599: I wouldn't be surprised if they did implicitly. Maybe they don't update their firmware any more because there's rockbox to solve all problems in the long run. 15.07.38 # hehe...for sure ;-) their firmware sucks, I hate to fastforward anytime I boot the player.. 15.07.57 Quit TotMacher () 15.08.42 # i think they dont update stock firmware because they sell new products...like all little vendor without amount of money... 15.09.26 # I think they don't update because they see no need to 15.09.42 # I don't think rockbox does any difference 15.09.51 # :) it's a question of point of view... 15.10.07 # their version is "good enough" 15.10.15 # i'm agree ... 15.10.19 # btw...no errors with scandisk, I will try to update the firmware and then "undock" 15.10.47 # but with 'remove safely'! 15.11.03 # I have problem with remove safely......on win2k 15.11.17 # it doesn't work... 15.11.40 # I have to log out and on to make the thing work 15.11.56 # me too... 15.12.54 # I can't remove it either..aarghh... 15.13.04 # log out? should I click on OFF on the player? 15.13.09 # NO 15.13.20 # shuntting down the comp... 15.13.29 # oh..hehe..okidoki, try that that 15.13.32 # close any applications that might view any files on the jukebox. 15.13.35 # That helps 15.13.42 # Including Explorers 15.14.02 # that epled yes ;-) 15.14.45 # ok....another problem, I just uploaded the latest build, but now the player hangs on the Rockbox start up screen ;-) 15.15.16 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) 15.15.25 # hej matsl 15.15.29 # hoho 15.15.53 # You can always shut off the recorder and reboot it with the usb cable connected. 15.16.04 # I'm getting `LANG_LANGUAGE_LOADED' undeclared but daily builds work fine. Whats wrong? 15.16.05 # Then you can exchange the firmware with whatever you like. 15.16.18 # okidoki 15.16.37 # matsl: you haven't updated the languages? 15.16.51 # Right! thanx 15.17.48 # aarrghh...still the same problem with the characters...I'll try the 1.3 version 15.18.03 # Bagder: I'm not sure. lang is in apps and I update this allways. 15.18.15 # I hope you haven't mixed up player / recorder firware? 15.18.33 # nope...I have the recorder and used that firmware 15.18.33 Quit mecraw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.18.34 # Baa6599: could be wrong player version? 15.18.37 # matsl: could be a tools update? 15.18.39 # ah, ok 15.19.06 # I have an empty directory 15.19.11 # Bagder: I update these too always. 15.19.12 # Baa6599: so first it hung and then it displayed bad characters? 15.19.34 # an empty directory is normal after formatting the had... 15.19.37 # hd 15.20.20 # Bagder: I even rerun configure manually 15.20.58 # before formating I had bad characters, then formated....empty hd (after I installed some files)...now scandisk done...still empty (just a small arrow) 15.21.01 # matsl: so check why the id doesn't end up in the lang.h file, it should be in the english.lang 15.21.21 # right now I have the 1.3 version instaled 15.21.27 # matsl: check that you don't have any bad lang.[ch] files in the apps dir 15.21.29 # Baa6599: those files are mp3? 15.21.35 # yes 15.21.44 # and one directory with files to test that too 15.21.45 # Bagder: OK. I just wanted to avoid something obvious. 15.22.02 Part bobTHC 15.22.57 # can someone explain the new recorder scroll code to me? 15.24.00 # I understand ;-) 15.24.43 # matsl: if there's a lang.h file in apps, that's what happens 15.24.52 # and it used to be one 15.26.13 # wanna hear something funny ;-) If I change some settings in the general settings, I get the scrambled files names back (which aren't playable btw) 15.26.24 # Bagder: No lang.h i apps. 15.27.00 # Baa6599: have you made a partition on your harddisk? 15.27.55 # nope, just formatted the hd with xp, should I use a different OS to format it? 15.28.18 # Shouldn't matter as long as you make it use Fat32 15.28.20 # I dunno, it just sounds as if the saved settings interfer with your filesystem 15.28.58 # Baa6599: you should make *very* sure to partition the disk before formatting 15.29.00 # aarrghh....For Sale: Archos Recorder, hardly used 15.29.01 # LinusN: it sure has an odd-looking x*8 in there 15.29.56 # everything works without problems when I use the archos firmware...so that shouldn't be a problem or? 15.30.21 # the 8 is a dummy width, since we use char positions for lcd_putsxy() 15.30.52 # so shouldn't it use the width of a letter instead, like A or H or M 15.30.53 # it's bad, but we can't make it correct with our current design 15.31.10 # yeah, maybe. it would still be wrong sometimes. 15.31.12 # i'm investigating the stkov 15.31.22 # we should stop using X char coords for recorder 15.31.34 # linus: it happened with old scroll code too 15.34.39 # btw...how do I partition the hd? 15.34.47 # don't I just select the hd and then select format? 15.36.57 # it's the wps that bugs 15.37.07 # it exceeds the frame buffer 15.37.19 # when it tries to draw the slidebar 15.37.33 # the default wps config uses many lines 15.37.39 # load a larger font and boom! 15.37.56 # nice hunting Linus 15.38.12 # LinusN: but not with all large fonts 15.38.14 # I always wondered wether we should add some range checking to draw_line. 15.38.23 # Schnueff: maybe not 15.38.31 # i have a quite large font (3 lines on display only) and it doesnt crash 15.38.57 # but it crashes with 10 pixels high, 9 pixel high, 12 pixel high, 13 pixel high fontds 15.39.23 # i think it's when it tries to draw a partial slidebar 15.39.52 # so, no %pm, no crash 15.39.54 # maybe, yes 15.40.03 # it doesn't check if there is room for the slidebar 15.40.30 # has that changed the last days? 15.40.39 # since i havent got this problem with 9/21 build 15.41.34 # did you have custom wps then? 15.41.44 # no, the same wps 15.41.47 # (default) 15.42.05 Join elinenbe [0] (~elin@209.19.18.82) 15.42.06 # can try it out again 15.42.22 # with the new fonts the scrollbar may have been put lower. 15.42.54 # default.wps, 6x10.fnt, ~ 9/21 21:00 build, no crash 15.43.11 # I bet that's just luck 15.43.23 # u mean, sometimes it crashes sometimes not? 15.43.30 # actually, only one bit of the scroll stack was altered 15.43.53 # i don't know what is before the scroll stack in memory 15.47.12 # with the mentioned build, all fonts which i have on the archos work 15.47.22 # one even got a partially drawn progressmeter (6x9) 15.47.40 # pure luck 15.47.47 # heh 15.47.58 # if its luck why is it repeatable in the current build? 15.48.35 # because things have moved around to a less lucky situation 15.48.45 # ok 15.48.55 # anyway, let's patch this and try it out 15.49.00 # the frame buffer is located before scroll_stack in memory 15.49.06 # how to fix? 15.49.19 # double frame buffer size temporarily :) 15.49.28 # patch draw_line with region checking 15.49.43 # slidebar should not be called if it doesn't fit 15.50.20 # an wps giy wants to fix it? 15.50.23 # guy 15.50.28 # I can fix it 15.50.34 # thx, i have to go soon 15.51.47 # Bagder: Seems like svenska.lang is missing some ids but they are added by the build process when building the mod but not the simulators. Whats is the story? 15.51.59 # * matsl phone rinning 15.52.23 # Bagder: I'll be working on wps due to peak meter anyway. 15.52.27 # uh, right, they might be doing wrong 15.54.09 # langhaarrocker: then please go ahead 15.54.21 # aknowledged 15.54.25 # Should slidebar check it fits on screen? 15.54.33 # yes 15.54.39 # I guess it should 15.54.48 # then i'll fix it .. 15.55.20 # :-) 15.55.30 # anyone else want the ball? 15.55.33 # * Bagder smiles 15.56.10 # Thats double fixing the thing at two places: the slidebar and the wps. 15.56.20 # -> no problem 15.56.25 # i think fixing the slidebar code may be better 15.56.25 # doppelt haelt besser :) 15.56.26 # * matsl back 15.56.27 # now again. where should it be fixed in wps or in widgets? 15.56.39 # Bagder: how about the lang stuff? 15.56.39 # safer, somehow 15.56.53 # mbr: I'd like it fixed in the slidebar 15.57.00 # the wps fix is less important then 15.57.08 # if even necessary 15.57.12 # Bagder: OK, then i'll do it ... 15.57.17 Join bobTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.57.18 # mbr: you won! 15.57.29 # matsl: I don't think the uisimulator makefile does the same (correct) thing 15.57.37 # Zagor: I want file writes! 15.57.49 # LinusN: blrrbblr 15.57.55 # For recording? 15.58.03 # I must be quite dumb but no matter how much I look around I just can't figure out how to add my own sourcefile to the deps of sources in the apps dir 15.58.24 # not necessary. Just put it there 15.58.30 # Bagder: OK. So a little merge of makefiles might do it then. 15.58.37 # I think so 15.58.37 # I'm doing that, still it doesn't get compiled 15.58.55 # the Makefile in uisimulator/ has to be modifieded as well 15.59.05 # Mighty: you build for target or sim? 15.59.08 # sim 15.59.10 # ahh, thanks.. 15.59.12 # sim :-) 16.00.05 # gotta run! bye! 16.00.09 # Bagder: whats the logic with adding ids that aint in the lang-file. shouldn't all ids be in all lang files? 16.00.27 # damn...I still get the emtpy directory. 16.00.33 # matsl: that won't happen, the english one will always tend to have a few more than the others 16.00.53 # that's why I do 'uplang' first, then 'genlang' 16.00.57 # Bagder: True but if build breaks then you'd notice. 16.01.14 # yes, and we don't want that 16.01.17 # things noticed ghet fixed 16.01.24 # I doubt it 16.01.31 # your probably right ;-) 16.01.34 Part LinusN 16.02.48 # Bagder: I have to eat and do some floorball and if it isn't fixed by then I'll give it a spin. 16.03.36 # me fix 16.04.08 # * matsl plays floorball while bagder works 16.04.29 # What's floorball? 16.05.14 # http://www.floorball.org/ 16.05.39 # should give you some idea about it 16.05.42 Quit Baa6599 ("http://chat.ircnet.org/") 16.06.47 # I thought that this is a sport that should be played by girls with short skirts 16.07.58 # you learn something every day ... 16.08.25 # matsl likes to wear short skirts :) 16.08.27 Nick matsl is now known as matsl|cooking (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) 16.08.36 # Now I think it's like polo without horses. 16.09.43 # Is matsl from scotland? 16.10.32 # he doesn't sound that way :) 16.10.52 # well, he's fond of python so he must be from some other planet 16.11.03 # field hockey (like floorball) is the national sport of India. Only men play it and it is quite violent and very competitive 16.11.45 # When you retire you play golf? 16.11.46 # similar to the rockbox project (quite violent and very competitive) 16.11.55 # :) 16.11.58 # hehehe 16.12.05 # but we do more rubbish of course 16.12.10 # :-) 16.12.57 # Bagder: can you force a good read? like it keeps retrying until it reads properly? 16.13.29 # no stkov anymore 16.13.29 # cute 16.13.50 # elinenbe: we don't want to try forever. it could be a real hard error. 16.14.08 # currently we retry for 5 seconds 16.15.39 Nick matsl|cooking is now known as matsl (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) 16.15.56 # matsl: now update and smile ;-) 16.16.13 # Zagor: that is good. Just when I am skating it gets an error every hour or so. 16.16.28 # Zagor: this was on a build a week ago 16.16.54 # elinenbe: i just checked in a new retry fix. it could even work now :-) 16.17.05 Quit Bagder ("Client Exiting") 16.17.51 # i'm off. see you! 16.17.53 Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") 16.18.22 # just for the record: Python has nothing to do with wearing skirst unless you are a lumberjack. Which I'm not. 16.25.44 Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EABBE4.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.27.46 Nick matsl is now known as matsl|away (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) 16.31.26 Join thokra [0] (~thokra@pD95131E9.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.36.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.45.33 Join datazone-work [0] (~datazone@chaos.iadfw.net) 16.48.23 Join okidoki [0] (~d549820b@chat.ircnet.org) 16.54.08 Quit Mighty ("BitchX: not from concentrate") 17.07.48 Quit okidoki ("http://chat.ircnet.org/ (EOF)") 17.10.47 Join okidoki [0] (~d549820b@chat.ircnet.org) 17.18.58 Quit okidoki ("http://chat.ircnet.org/ (EOF)") 17.19.05 Part thokra ("Client Exiting") 17.21.37 Part langhaarrocker 17.33.53 # see ya l8ter! 17.33.56 Part bobTHC 17.36.52 Nick mbr is now known as mbr|gone (~mb@stlx01.stz-softwaretechnik.de) 17.52.21 Quit pyvasene (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.04.04 Quit datazone-work ("I like core dumps") 18.04.33 Join Jbell73w [0] (~Jbell73w@65.115.76.172) 18.05.17 Quit matsl|away ("Client Exiting") 18.05.42 # I just got the latest CVS Build, and noticed the new font was gone..?? 18.15.42 Join Zagor [0] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 18.28.31 Nick dw|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 18.28.31 DBUG Enqueued KICK dwihno 18.36.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.41.54 Join Django [0] (~Django@pD953C942.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.48.35 # Zagor is in the house. 19.10.15 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@pD9E21A8B.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.15.39 # "can I add a hebrew font to the list of rockbox fonts?" 19.16.20 # "can Zagor re-add the snake game?" 19.16.29 # "will the t-shirt winner ever be announced?" 19.16.31 # :-) 19.17.04 # hehe. we're getting the final design cleaned-up, then it will be announced. 19.17.26 # Well, it has only been a week 19.17.32 # But what the heck, who's counting ;) 19.17.40 # :) 19.20.09 Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|out (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) 19.21.02 Quit TotMacher () 19.21.26 # Hi There! Just intstalled this irc client. Can anybody out there read this ? 19.22.50 # Django: yes 19.23.20 # Ah! Thanks! 19.24.09 # I see there is currently a lot of work done for fonts. 19.24.38 # Is anybody working on a "queueing" or "dynamic" playlist? 19.26.59 # jejejeje 19.27.12 # i think i've got repeat on/off 19.27.44 # one or two more tests and i'll submit it 19.27.46 # :) 19.28.28 # Repeat what? 19.29.16 # quel|out : nice. 19.29.37 # quel|out : does it work with repeate 1/all/off for files and playlists? 19.31.24 # What is the trick to create the /.rockbox dir? Windows Explorer won't do that. 19.32.13 # Django: hit the start menu 19.32.15 # then run 19.32.18 # then type cmd 19.32.30 # then cd X: 19.32.37 # where X is the archos drive 19.32.44 # then type mkdir .rockbox 19.33.10 # Thanks! it worked .. 19.36.38 Join _Snorlax_ [0] (bluah@h135n1fls34o883.telia.com) 19.51.14 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 20.07.14 # anyone have any sugesstions for running MP2100+ chips in the Tyan 2462? 20.27.00 Join freshmaker [0] (~chatzilla@p5082D576.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.28.21 # hello menthos :) 20.28.25 # menthos is the freshmaker, right? :) 20.29.04 # if you wanna get really fresh, there is nothing like the real freshmaker: 20.30.01 # take a fisherman's friend (white packaging) and add one drip pure mint oil. wait 2-3 hours. take it. 20.30.23 # :O 20.30.23 # :) 20.33.19 # persons with asthma shouldn't try this. ;-) 20.33.42 # persons who care about their throats shouldn't either ;) 20.33.53 # what throat? 20.36.05 # ;) 20.36.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.38.42 Quit _Snorlax_ ("gittar ny!") 20.38.57 Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p508D9F60.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.41.56 # argghhh run out of batteries!! can't test repeat off until tomorrow :( 20.43.22 # cu 20.43.28 Quit quel|out ("KVIrc 3.0.0-beta1 "Eve's Avatar"") 21.08.52 Part LinusN 21.13.57 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 21.25.35 # elinenbe: USB poweroff/reboot bug fixed 21.26.04 # i just can't understand why some units reboot instead of power off 21.27.20 Join okidoki [0] (~d43abc12@chat.ircnet.org) 21.28.33 # i disassembled the Archos poweroff function. It looks quite like ours 21.28.43 # Hi, I was online this afternoon as well, I have a problem with my 20gig recorder 21.28.51 # except for a strange polling of the external power detection 21.28.58 # okidoki: shoot 21.29.21 # if I instal the rockbox firmware the directory/filenames are unreadable.. 21.29.30 # Already tried formating for the second time, doesn't help 21.29.40 # really strange 21.29.58 # do you have a localized windows? 21.30.21 # no error message, just garbled filenames? 21.30.25 # a localized windows? what do you mean with that? 21.30.30 # non-emglish 21.30.38 # non-english 21.30.41 # oh...yes...dutch version 21.31.05 # hmm, can't really see why that would make any difference... 21.31.18 # ok, step by step, what did you do? 21.31.23 # 1) format 21.31.32 # how is the drive partitioned? 21.31.39 # yes...or an empty directory (just a small arrow) or 423???# filenames 21.32.11 Join Mighty [0] (mboss@h92n2fls35o931.telia.com) 21.32.16 # 1 format, 2, upload firmware, 3 upload test mp3's, 4 disconnect ,5, start player 21.32.18 # yo Mighty! 21.32.26 # how is the drive partitioned? 21.32.29 # 1 big partition 21.32.29 # LinusN, morning :-) 21.32.32 # fat32 21.32.52 # okidoki: 1 big primary partition, or no partition at all? 21.33.05 # without partition table 21.33.23 # yes..primary.... the recorder works fine with the archos firmware 21.33.46 # i guess WinXP formats it without partition table... 21.34.16 # yep....that is possible, there is no where I can set that 21.34.20 # do you have a program that can read raw disk sectors? 21.34.51 # not really no 21.35.05 # windows isn't very permitting in that area... 21.35.09 # should I format the hd with another OS? 21.35.22 # i want to solve this 21.35.41 # i'd rather want you to analyze the disk in Linux 21.35.51 # heheh..me too ;-) 21.36.05 # hm, I don't have access to a linux box, and I don't have much knowledge of linux. 21.36.19 # I've been testing your api a little and played around with the functions,, very funny :-) 21.36.29 # we've had all kinds of trouble with strange FAT32 partitions 21.36.40 # Mighty: glad you like it 21.36.51 # very nice you've documented the api too so one knows what mainfunctions there are 21.37.12 # Mighty: that doc is very old and not up-to-date 21.37.15 # hmmm.... is there anythig I can do with norton works? I have that software, not installed 21.37.22 # LinusN: I had tried exactly what you added to the CVS and it did not fix the reboot issue on my recorder. 21.37.32 # LinusN: I will try the latest CVS however. 21.37.32 # i would be glad if you helped us point out the obvious errors 21.37.35 # I couldn't figure out how to make the .h included in make's dependency checks tho 21.37.50 # elinenbe: i didn't think that would help either 21.38.07 # LinusN: I try anyway 21.38.09 # i just thought the poweroff function should do it anyway 21.38.20 # LinusN, ahh, you could have used one of those inline-documentation systems that creates an API site automatically 21.38.35 # Mighty: we are looking into Doxygen 21.38.37 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 21.38.37 # * freshmaker needs a large cup of café latte... 21.38.39 Quit freshmaker ("ChatZilla 0.8.9 [Mozilla rv:1.1/20020914]") 21.38.45 # LinusN, very nice :-) 21.38.54 # linusn: I think it is rather strange the archos firmware works without problems 21.39.15 # LinusN, but it's a tuff job for the guys who has to go through and doc-tag everything this far into a project,, timedemanding 21.39.17 # not strange, methinks 21.39.20 # but it would really be great 21.39.37 # Mighty: we add it when we feel like it 21.39.54 # who wants to help me debug this beowulf? 21.40.14 # when I replaced the MP1200+ chips with MP2100 chips the thing desn't boot. 21.40.24 # well, it boots 1 out of 30 times. 21.40.57 # how many cpu's? 21.41.13 # dual 21.41.29 # how old is the board? 21.41.33 # well the beowulf is dual x 5 of them. 21.41.47 # it is the tyan 2462 21.41.53 # I flashed the latest bios. 21.41.59 # and how old is that model? 21.42.07 # it is SUPPOSED to work with the new chips 21.42.09 # 1 year old 21.42.27 # some older boards have inferior PLL chips 21.42.31 # what hell. this makes a 1 day job take forever. 21.42.32 # PLL? 21.42.46 # so they don't work with all multipliers 21.43.05 # the 2462 specifically? 21.43.16 # i don't know anything about that board 21.43.17 # cd bu 21.43.28 # sorry -- wrong window 21.43.29 # i had a PLL problem on an ASUS bard 21.43.45 # well, this is a huge pain. things take forever to get ordered in a company 21.45.38 # try setting the multipliers manually to the 1200 setting 21.46.48 # okidoki: maybe WinHex can do the job? http://www.sf-soft.de/winhex/index-m.html 21.48.36 # LinusN: there is no setting multiplier -- it automatically does it 21.48.43 # all I can set is the FSB to 200 or 266 21.48.48 # no manual option either? 21.48.49 # LinusN: that fix worked! 21.48.52 # none. 21.49.11 # LinusN: that fix worked! my jukebos shut off -- woohoo! 21.49.31 # really? 21.49.34 # yeah! 21.49.48 # what did you do different when you did the same thing? 21.50.04 # i had the lines inside the #ifdef recorder 21.50.08 # hahaha 21.50.09 # but it should not have mattered. 21.50.13 # no 21.50.16 # hmmm 21.50.18 # who knows. 21.50.22 # weird 21.50.26 # maybe I compiled the wrong thing. 21.50.49 # who knows. 21.51.03 # LinusN: now you can get back to work on recording :) 21.51.08 # thx 21.51.23 # it's so boring not being able to save the recorded data... 21.51.34 # well, then I can think of something less boring 21.51.53 # queing songs :) 21.51.58 # are you looking for ideas? 21.52.02 # that's a nightmare 21.52.28 # the queue function is really tricky 21.52.58 # but it will be SO worth it. 21.53.05 # yup 21.53.25 # here is an easy one -- an option to fade in/fade out volumes on play and stop. 21.53.30 # maybe pause too. 21.53.37 # why? 21.53.46 # it is a nice feature :) 21.53.58 # winamp 2.x for windows has it and it is really nice. 21.54.02 # i can see the coolness of a fading sleep feature 21.54.03 Quit okidoki ("http://chat.ircnet.org/ (EOF)") 21.54.11 # it is a quick fade. maybe like 1 sec 21.54.32 # i'd rather work on mp3gain support 21.54.53 # yes i'd love a fade to stop/pause 21.55.10 # i hate abrupt stops in the middle of a song 21.55.11 Nick seb-sleep is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) 21.55.20 # is there a feature request for that? 21.55.30 # just so we don't forget it 21.55.50 # PsycoXul: then don't stop the song :-) 21.56.09 # well that would be ideal, but it doesn't always work out that way :p 21.57.15 Nick dwihno is now known as dw|gone (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) 21.57.15 DBUG Enqueued KICK dw|gone 21.57.26 Nick TotMacher is now known as tot|away (tot@p508D9F60.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.57.37 # people are running away 21.57.41 # do i smell bad? 21.57.50 # *nods* 21.58.08 # The smell of nobody telling the t-shirt design contest results reeks! ;D 21.58.21 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 21.58.21 # * LinusN goes to buy deodorant 21.58.34 # dw|gone: Bagder is lazy 22.01.13 # LinusN: The result is already a week overdue! 22.01.30 # wow 22.01.30 # i'm not telling... :-) 22.01.35 # there's a lot of repeat feature requests 22.01.45 # LinusN: you are a smeetvrees :) 22.01.46 # tell me about it 22.01.50 # damn you smeetvrees! 22.02.17 Join freshmaker [0] (~chatzilla@p5082D576.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.07.34 # anybody know an easy way to get rid of the AC power hum from a cord plugged into like the mic port of a soundcard 22.07.41 Quit Mighty ("[BX] That's Mister BitchX to you") 22.08.12 # PsycoXul: electrically? 22.08.52 # using a chromatic tuner prog with my mic set to record and i've got a home-made extention/adapter cord plugged into it for a piezo transducer 22.09.11 # the humm seems to be coming from that extention/adapter thing, with just it plugged in the chromatic tuner prog shows me 60hz heh 22.09.29 # hehe, some tuner 22.09.43 # well 60hz is the AC power frequency here in the US 22.09.49 # i know 22.09.58 # how about grounding the device? 22.10.18 # hmm 22.10.59 # try grounding the chassis somehow 22.11.08 # is the cable shielded? 22.11.19 # heh probably not 22.11.32 # i used one of them rca style cords for the cable 22.11.37 # does the sound get worse when you hold the mic? 22.12.35 # well i can't hear it most of the time 22.13.03 # but if i touch the ground pole of the adapter or the metal plate the piezo's mounted to i get a humm heh 22.17.17 # hmm 22.17.30 # maybe i should reverse the polarity on one end of my adapter 22.17.50 # that plugging it in backwards seems to get rid of it 22.20.36 # oh hah 22.20.40 # i've got it backwards anyways 22.20.56 # how'd i do that heh 22.22.05 Join LWi [0] (~LWi@p50813195.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.24.25 Part LWi 22.24.35 Join LWi [0] (~LWi@p50813195.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.25.38 # PsycoXul: haha, did you get rid of the sound? 22.29.43 # when i plugged it in backwards, it went away unless i turned the +12db mic boost on 22.30.10 # that mic boost thing always messes things up... 22.31.02 # heh yeah 22.31.09 # it's unnecessary for this purpose anyways 22.31.14 # so i'm fixing the polarity on my adapter 22.31.59 # sound like a good idea :-) 22.36.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.46.05 # there 22.46.19 # now it just shows 0.8 Hz 22.46.39 # acceptable, i guess 22.47.54 # it's probably really weak, and it's not even audible range, and it's there without anything even plugged in, so... 22.49.15 Quit LWi () 22.50.16 # i got this little piezo transducer for $14 22.50.33 # it's a little piece of crap just made for plugging into a tuner instead of using a mic, for noisy conditions 22.50.49 # little plastic clip-on thing 22.51.06 # i tore the whole thing appart till it was just the little piezo element and the metal plate it's mounted on 22.51.14 # and wedged that into the bridge of my violin 22.51.24 # significantly improved the signal strength over clipping it on 22.56.42 # gah 22.56.45 # this violin though 22.56.50 # the A tuner is screwed 22.56.59 # the peg's pushed in further than all the rest 22.57.07 # and it still won't hold an A 22.57.13 # it just goes down to a G# 22.59.33 # badness 22.59.53 # well, time to go to bed 22.59.58 # night! 22.59.59 # good night 23.00.09 Part LinusN 23.04.15 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.19.47 Quit Django (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.27.38 Join Hadaka_ [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 23.27.44 Quit Hadaka (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.27.52 Nick Hadaka_ is now known as Hadaka (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) 23.51.44 Quit Zagor|out ("Client Exiting")