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05.17.55 #       <wallie> anyone know if rockbox supports recording?
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05.24.31 #       <freshmaker> anyone awake?
05.24.53 #       <wallie> <yawnn...>
05.26.51 #       <wallie> did the support for recording option made to the v1.4 freeze list?
05.28.59 #       <freshmaker> wallie: as you see on the roadmap, recording is left for post 1.4 (read: 2.0)
05.29.12 #       <wallie> arrrrr....
05.30.13 #       <wallie> can't wait....the current archos OS freezes up after about 20 min of recording
05.31.05 #       <wallie> thx for pointing that out fresh...
05.31.11 #       <freshmaker> let's hope that the rockbox FAT writing code will never mess up the file system...
05.35.42 #       <wallie> never say never
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08.41.31 #       <LinusN> yo Zagor!
08.41.34 #       <Zagor> hi
08.42.03 #       <LinusN> hehe, i forgot that i had merged mbr's USb patch when i committed yesterday :-)
08.42.11 #       <Zagor> i noticed :-)
08.42.31 #       <LinusN> i added a frequency detection to the hw info menu
08.43.12 #       <LinusN> 1.17 seems to be a really messy version
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08.44.35 #       <LinusN> and the version output at boot time seems to have little to do with the version info in ROM
08.44.39 #       <LinusN> for 1.17
08.44.48 #       <LinusN> was that the very first version?
08.45.01 #       <Zagor> it might be
08.47.09 #       <LinusN> elinenbe said his boot screen said "1.17ia"
08.47.18 #       <LinusN> and ROM version 1.15
08.48.06 #       <LinusN> and first he said it was 1.09, then changed to 1.17ia
08.48.23 #       <LinusN> did it say 1.09 and changed to 1.17ia...?
08.49.08 #       <LinusN> pre-1.24 seems to be a real mess
08.56.38 #       <Schnueff> moin
08.57.33 #       <LinusN> Schnueff: moin
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08.58.20 #       <bobTHC> good morning all!
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08.59.19 #       <LinusN> bobTHC: hi
09.02.44 #       <LinusN> bobTHC: when you boot your recorder, does it only say "1.17i" or does it say something else before that?
09.03.00 #       <Schnueff> LinusN: i got my unit now. what should i measure?
09.03.26 #       <LinusN> Schnueff: first of all, download the latest bleeding edge build
09.03.47 #       <bobTHC> it display archos boot screen
09.04.16 #       <LinusN> bobTHC: yes, but does the version number change?
09.04.38 #       <bobTHC> no 1.17i is my rom version
09.04.47 #       <Schnueff> LinusN: have
09.04.56 #       <LinusN> bobTHC: ok, good
09.05.27 #       <LinusN> bobTHC: i have seen indications of units displaying two version numbers even for the ROM version
09.05.52 #       <LinusN> Schnueff: ok, first, go to meny->debug->view hw info
09.05.59 #       <bobTHC> i only see one
09.06.58 #       <Schnueff> [Hardware info]\nROM: 1.28\nMask: 0x0302\nUSB: positive\nATA: 0x200\nPR:positive\nFreq: 11.0592MHz
09.08.06 #       <LinusN> Schnueff: great, now go to menu->debug->View I/O ports
09.08.10 #       <Schnueff> yes
09.08.25 #       <LinusN> then push all buttons except ON and OFF and report the AN4/AN5 readings to me
09.08.47 #       <LinusN> bobTHC: canb you try the latest bleeding edge too?
09.09.59 #       <Schnueff> F1: 191/0; F2: 265/0; F3: 3FF/0; UP: 333/0; RIGHT: 0/192; DOWN: 0/3FF; 0/265; PLAY: 0/333
09.10.20 #       <bobTHC> nope, sorry my unit is@home
09.10.41 #       <mbr> morn all
09.10.42 #       <Schnueff> have i won?
09.10.44 #       <LinusN> bobTHC: did you know that the Archos is portable :-)
09.10.53 #       <bobTHC> :)
09.10.53 #       <LinusN> mbr: hi
09.11.03 #       <bobTHC> no it's possible?
09.12.58 #       <bobTHC> i just forgot it in an other bag...
09.13.06 #       <LinusN> Schnueff: yes, you have the winning sequence!
09.13.14 #       <Schnueff> gr8t!
09.13.35 #       <Schnueff> btw, what about the t-shirts
09.13.53 #       <Schnueff> :)
09.17.06 #       <bobTHC> yes, what about the t-shirt
09.17.09 #       <bobTHC> ;)
09.17.14 #       <LinusN> Schnueff: waiting for the final desing from the artist
09.21.27 #       <Schnueff> oki
09.21.32 #       <LinusN> adi|home: do you have your recorder at hand?
09.21.46 #       <adi|home> sure do..
09.21.48 #       <adi|home> what do you need?
09.22.02 #       <LinusN> download the latest bleeding edge
09.22.35 #       <adi|home> going
09.22.43 #       <adi|home> okay.. ill _never_ understand this
09.22.50 #       <adi|home> just got back from a call
09.22.56 #       <adi|home> guy has chest pains for 3 days
09.23.02 #       <adi|home> when does he call for an ambulanace?
09.23.11 #       <adi|home> 2 am on a tuesday night
09.23.13 #       <adi|home> moron
09.23.26 #       <LinusN> :-)
09.23.55 #       <adi|home> "have you eaten anything that didn't agree with you in that last few days?" initial answer: no
09.23.58 #       <adi|home> anser 5 mins later
09.24.09 #       <adi|home> "yeah.. so i had food poisoning on friday..."
09.24.16 #       <adi|home> i damn near belted him
09.24.16 #       <Zagor> haha
09.24.36 #       <adi|home> "have you done anything physically strenuous lately?" answer: no
09.24.39 #       <adi|home> 5 mins later
09.24.48 #       <adi|home> "so i was moving furniture on sat..."
09.24.50 #       * adi|home sighs
09.24.57 #       * adi|home appologizes for venting
09.26.32 #       <LinusN> adi|home: not much different from tech support either...
09.26.35 #       <Zagor> sounds like normal pc diagnosing
09.26.44 #       <Zagor> "what happened? It just stopped working!"
09.26.51 #       <Zagor> "what did you do? Nothing!"
09.27.01 #       <LinusN> I didn't install anything"
09.27.03 #       <adi|home> heheh so what am i looking for with this new build?
09.27.07 #       <LinusN> ...but my kids did...
09.27.10 #       <Zagor> "what's that icon there? Oh, it's the new Kazaa I downloaded just now."
09.27.27 #       <LinusN> adi|home: go to menu->debug->view hw info
09.27.50 #       <adi|home> okay
09.28.16 #       <Zagor> i'm removing /.rockbox/default.* loading
09.28.30 #       <LinusN> Zagor: ok
09.28.40 #       <adi|home> btw.. do we have any docs on the new .cfg files?
09.28.52 #       <LinusN> adi|home: docs? who needs them?
09.28.55 #       <Zagor> adi|home: yes, the custom_eq_format docs
09.29.29 #       <adi|home> linus.. what am i looking for in that debug menu?
09.29.55 #       <LinusN> everything
09.32.37 #       <adi|home> rom: 1.24    mask: 0x0102    usb: positive    ata: 0x200    pr: positive    freq: 11.0592MHz
09.33.26 #       <LinusN> adi|home: gtear, thx
09.33.29 #       <LinusN> hfaklhggf
09.33.30 #       <LinusN> dkfgvjds
09.33.38 #       <LinusN> damn, my fingers are thick
09.36.49 #       <LinusN> i see some patterns now, regarding the Mask
09.37.37 #       <LinusN> there is an extra bit set in Mask, starting from 1.24
09.37.53 #       <LinusN> but my HW info shows no other differences
09.38.15 #       <LinusN> not from 1,24, i mean 1.25
09.38.41 #       <LinusN> i wonder if that can have something to do with the ATA sleep problem...
09.39.30 #       <LinusN> the USb and PR are positive from 1.24 and up
09.40.10 #       <LinusN> and the 0x100 bit is set from 1.24 and up
09.40.30 #       <LinusN> so i guess 0x100 is the "inverter" bit
09.42.05 #       <LinusN> Zagor: who is Phil (who took the Recorder photos)?
09.43.02 #       <LinusN> ok, all you guys, i have another question for you
09.43.18 #       <LinusN> do you have USB1.1 or USB2.0 in your recorder?
09.43.32 #       <LinusN> i.e ISD200 or ISD300?
09.43.39 #       <Zagor> LinusN: someone on the yahoo forum
09.44.11 #       <LinusN> (i want to detect that)
09.44.32 #       <Zagor> usb2 here, as you know
09.45.39 #       <LinusN> Zagor: do you know anything more about Phil? mail address, last name...
09.47.34 #       <Zagor> LinusN: it's actually langhaarrocker
09.47.44 #       <LinusN> it is???
09.47.47 #       <Zagor> yup
09.47.49 #       <Schnueff> hehe
09.47.52 #       <LinusN> ok, then
09.47.57 #       <LinusN> he has a 12MHz unit
09.47.58 #       <Zagor> i didn't know that either :-)
09.52.10 #       <LinusN> i really want his HW info...
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09.53.01 #       <Schnueff> what do you think about an option for WPS lines for double height and/or width and some font drawing routine to support this? worth a try?
09.53.28 #       <LinusN> Schnueff: for only some lines?
09.54.12 #       <Schnueff> yes
09.54.43 #       <Schnueff> for the important info
09.55.09 #       <LinusN> i think having two fonts would be a better solution
09.55.12 #       <Zagor> no. use another font instead
09.55.21 #       <Schnueff> ah ok, thought you wouldnt like to spend the RAM
09.55.35 #       <LinusN> Zagor: but he wants two fonts _simultaneously_
09.55.43 #       <Zagor> why?
09.56.45 #       <Schnueff> often-used info can be large
09.56.46 #       <LinusN> Zagor: regarding bug #619028, is it ok for you to filter out LEFT/RIGHT when UP is pressed?
09.56.58 #       <LinusN> i see no prob with that
09.57.13 #       <LinusN> for now
09.57.16 #       <Zagor> LinusN: me neither
09.57.37 #       <LinusN> i think we'll stay out of UP-LEFT and UP_right combos
09.58.32 #       <LinusN> but i'm not happy with doing code changes to handle broken hardware
09.59.03 #       <Zagor> i agree
09.59.16 #       <Zagor> we have problems with up-f2 and up-f1 too
09.59.26 #       <mbr> btw. does the F1 - UP combination work for someone to mute in wps?
09.59.31 #       <Zagor> mechanical bugs in some units
09.59.33 #       <LinusN> Zagor: but that is more easily explained
09.59.43 #       <mbr> Can this work, as the are connectet to the same port?
09.59.44 #       <Zagor> mbr: it's F1-play
10.00.09 #       <LinusN> mbr: f1-f2-f3-up combinations are not possible
10.01.24 #       <mbr> Zagor: But in the code is "case BUTTON_F1 | BUTTON_UP:" wps.c at line 551
10.01.57 #       <mbr> LinusN: Thats why I ask ..
10.02.08 #       <Zagor> mbr: yikes! buuuug
10.02.21 #       <Zagor> seems not many people use mute :-)
10.02.42 #       <mbr> At last at recorders ..
10.03.25 #       <Zagor> i'll fix
10.05.01 #       <LinusN> mbr: good catch
10.06.14 #       <PsycoXul> ok if default.*'s no longer used as before, and the persistent files need to be in /.rockbox, then /.rockbox needs to be easier to get to than mucking with the file filter setting
10.06.22 #       <PsycoXul> imo
10.07.07 #       <LinusN> PsycoXul: agreed
10.07.22 #       <LinusN> maybe it should be something other than .rockbox
10.07.25 #       <Schnueff> some menu entry to select wps / eq / .. from menu would do
10.07.33 #       <LinusN> maybe just Rockbox
10.07.34 #       <Schnueff> from .rockbox
10.08.09 #       <Schnueff> since it's also annoying to have to change dir, when changing wps / eq / .., one should avoid that too
10.08.58 #       <Zagor> LinusN: having it Rockbox would mean it's always visible: bad
10.08.59 #       <Schnueff> then, keeping .rockbox hidden is ok most of the time, imo
10.09.33 #       <PsycoXul> yeah a menu interface that lets you select the files from /.rockbox as options for their appropriate submenu sorta deal would be nice
10.09.57 #       <Zagor> PsycoXul: start coding :-)
10.09.59 #       <LinusN> PsycoXul: agree
10.10.06 #       <LinusN> Show me the code!
10.10.09 #       <PsycoXul> heh
10.10.37 #       <Schnueff> u could put it on http://rockbox.haxx.se/TODO :)
10.11.18 #       <PsycoXul> later tonight i'm seeing about making a key combo to put the LCD into powersave mode
10.11.29 #       <PsycoXul> some people i know like to bitch about not needing the screen when it's in their pocket...
10.11.43 #       <Zagor> PsycoXul: you should measure first, to see if you actually do save anything
10.11.56 #       <Schnueff> measure before implement :)
10.12.50 #       <PsycoXul> well even if it don't save any battery, i'd still like it and somebody else would too 
10.13.02 #       <PsycoXul> just cause we're weird people like that :p
10.13.26 #       <LinusN> same for LCD invert
10.13.50 #       <Zagor> lcd invert is heaps more useful than a screensaver that doesn't actually save.
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10.13.59 #       <LinusN> Zagor: agreed :-)
10.14.11 #       <LinusN> pyvasene: hi!
10.14.13 #       <adi|home> what exactly is the purpose of lcd invert?
10.14.29 #       <LinusN> pyvasene: do you have your recorder at hand?
10.14.32 #       <pyvasene> Hi all
10.14.37 #       <LinusN> adi|home: invert all pixels
10.14.40 #       <pyvasene> LinusN : Yep
10.14.41 #       <Zagor> adi|home: purpose? :)
10.14.44 #       <adi|home> i realize that.. 
10.14.47 #       <adi|home> what i mean is...
10.14.51 #       <LinusN> pyvasene: download the latest bleeding edge
10.14.54 #       <Schnueff> it may look nice
10.14.57 #       <adi|home> are we talking a full screen thing?
10.15.00 #       <PsycoXul> well anyways i think it'll only be a handfull of lines of code
10.15.06 #       * adi|home used the invert for his keyboard
10.15.14 #       <PsycoXul> it would be harder for me to measure than to code it, i think heh
10.15.15 #       <LinusN> adi|home: it may be nice in a dark room
10.15.20 #       <Zagor> PsycoXul: code is cheap, but buttons are very expensive
10.15.30 #       <pyvasene> LinusN : I can't. I don't have a USB cable
10.15.38 #       <PsycoXul> yes, well, nobody has to commit it heh
10.15.42 #       <Schnueff> adi|home: yes, full-screen
10.15.43 #       <adi|home> a full screen invert setting shouldn't be too tough should it?
10.15.55 #       <adi|home> just need to have the check done in all low level stuff..
10.16.03 #       <Schnueff> adi|home: lcd controller supports invert
10.16.39 #       <LinusN> pyvasene: too bad
10.16.47 #       <LinusN> pyvasene: what rom version?
10.20.15 #       <pyvasene> 1.26
10.20.24 #       * Schnueff .. work
10.21.57 #       <adi|home> button_set_repeat(~0);
10.22.02 #       <adi|home> whatexactly is that doing?
10.22.12 #       <LinusN> sets all buttons in repeat mode
10.22.17 #       <LinusN> ~0 == 0xffffffff
10.23.36 #       <adi|home> got ya
10.24.34 #       <adi|home> could you explain how we intend to get rid of button_set_repeat/release
10.24.42 #       <adi|home> by merging into button_get
10.24.47 #       <adi|home> button_get takes a bool
10.24.55 #       <adi|home> do you want it to take multiple arguements?
10.26.10 #       <LinusN> yes
10.26.29 #       <adi|home> okay.. so we talking 3 args
10.26.47 #       <adi|home> bool, int mask, int mask?
10.26.56 #       <Zagor> actually, i want to do away with the masks completely
10.27.18 #       <LinusN> the masks are there to save the queue from lots of events
10.27.23 #       <LinusN> but we can handle that
10.27.26 #       <adi|home> nods
10.27.51 #       <adi|home> but i guess what im looking for is what exactly are we trying to achieve by removing button_set_repeat/release
10.27.53 #       <LinusN> does the remote repeat?
10.28.01 #       <Zagor> adi|home: simpler code
10.28.11 #       <Zagor> LinusN: yes, about 1/sec
10.28.19 #       <LinusN> lame
10.28.22 #       <Zagor> but it only sends press events
10.28.27 #       <Zagor> of course
10.28.28 #       <LinusN> even lamer
10.29.52 #       <adi|home> okay.. what is the release mask doing now?
10.30.05 #       <adi|home> telling us what buttons to watch for release on?
10.31.13 #       <LinusN> it allows key-up events
10.31.51 #       * adi|home just isn't getting it..
10.31.53 #       * adi|home sighs
10.32.13 #       * adi|home feels like a 3 year-old looking for someone to hold his hand so he can cross the street :)
10.32.21 #       <LinusN> lcd_invert_mode() works perfectly
10.33.15 #       <LinusN> the release bit is set in the mask for a certain key, it generates button events both when the key is pressed and when it is released
10.33.27 #       <adi|home> ah
10.33.35 #       <adi|home> and any not in the map are ignored i assume?
10.33.41 #       <LinusN> if the bit is 0, it onbly generates button events when the key is pressed
10.34.04 #       <adi|home> and if its 1?
10.34.12 #       <LinusN> the release bit is set in the mask for a certain key, it generates button events both when the key is pressed and when it is released
10.34.23 #       <LinusN> 0 -> key-down events
10.34.33 #       <LinusN> 1 -> key-down and key-up events
10.35.58 #       <LinusN> Zagor: Couldn't find ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙.wps in /.rockbox/˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙.wps
10.36.11 #       <LinusN> :-)
10.36.24 #       <Zagor> that's correct
10.36.29 #       <LinusN> i know
10.36.44 #       <LinusN> just looks funny
10.36.48 #       <Zagor> yeah
10.37.02 #       <Zagor> we could add a !=0xff check in settings_apply
10.37.10 #       <Zagor> but it doesn't really matter
10.37.15 #       <adi|home> Zagor if we remove the release masks.. how are you going to assign what keys are/aren't to be release events?
10.37.16 #       <LinusN> it doesn't matter
10.37.19 #       <adi|home> or do we not care?
10.37.30 #       <LinusN> we want both events, always
10.37.34 #       <adi|home> okay
10.37.36 #       <Zagor> adi|home: removing the mask just means we will always get release events
10.37.41 #       <adi|home> so basically a button_get at all times
10.37.53 #       <adi|home> and then the actual app does the check
10.37.58 #       <adi|home> ?
10.37.59 #       <Zagor> yes
10.38.13 #       <Zagor> we already do it that way
10.38.23 #       <adi|home> okay, so if we are wanting to do that, i don't get why we had the button_set_release to begin with
10.38.23 #       <Zagor> it's just that some release events are filtered out
10.38.54 #       <adi|home> so basically just say "screw it, give me all the release events"?
10.39.58 #       <Zagor> yes
10.40.04 #       <adi|home> nods
10.40.30 #       <adi|home> okay.. just check that im not nuts then...
10.40.33 #       <Zagor> the filter was introduced to avoid handling buttons we don't care about
10.40.45 #       <adi|home> so in tree.c:707/708
10.40.53 #       <Zagor> but that's not a big problem, so it has become more a hassle than a benefit
10.40.59 #       <adi|home> we could just comment out those calls to button_set_... because we dont care anymore...
10.41.02 #       <adi|home> nods
10.41.13 #       <adi|home> okay.. so basicaly its a feature removal/code cleanup
10.41.19 #       <LinusN> yup
10.41.19 #       <Zagor> yes
10.41.27 #       * adi|home finally gets it
10.41.30 #       * adi|home tackles that
10.41.33 #       <Zagor> congrats :-)
10.41.40 #       <LinusN> we need to look over the wps key handling after 1.4
10.41.50 #       <adi|home> nods
10.41.53 #       <LinusN> for the remote control
10.42.06 #       <adi|home> is it worth me fixing this issue in the wps then?
10.42.19 #       <LinusN> locking the remote when keylocking is really lame
10.42.55 #       <LinusN> funny that so few people have noticed
10.43.05 #       <adi|home> heheh
10.43.07 #       <Zagor> yeah
10.43.10 #       <adi|home> i thnk not to many have a remote
10.43.15 #       <adi|home> or are keylocking
10.43.18 #       <adi|home> i don't 
10.43.25 #       <adi|home> most the time i use the player is on long drives
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10.45.37 #       <adi|home> just a logic check
10.45.43 #       <adi|home> if we are not using the masks now
10.45.58 #       <adi|home> and we want to ensure not breaking existing code
10.46.25 #       <LinusN> we want to break existing code
10.46.29 #       <adi|home> any switch statements that adapt/handle button events with button_set.. should have a default case added
10.46.40 #       <adi|home> okay.. so _dont_ add a default case then
10.46.42 #       <adi|home> got ya
10.47.00 #       <Zagor> adi|home: not really. if they don't care about the key, what would the default case do?
10.47.17 #       <adi|home> *shrugs*
10.47.20 #       <adi|home> thats why i asked ;)9
10.47.24 #       <Zagor> ah
10.47.26 #       <adi|home> wanted to make sure i wans't missing anything
10.47.31 #       <adi|home> :)
10.49.10 #       <Zagor> LinusN: i'm adding a 0xff check anyway. it's stupid parsing the dir and doing a lot of work if no file is selected.
10.50.00 #       <LinusN> ok
10.50.43 #       <LinusN> i'm working on the mpeg skipping underrun handling
10.51.14 #       <LinusN> it's not that easy to see the difference between having played the last song and a buffer underrun
10.51.49 #       <adi|home> well.. its a buffer that we are reading data into yes?
10.52.04 #       <LinusN> yes
10.52.07 #       <adi|home> and what do you mean by last song?
10.52.12 #       <adi|home> ie: last in a playlist/dir?
10.52.16 #       <adi|home> or reached the end of a song?
10.52.28 #       <LinusN> last in list
10.52.45 #       <adi|home> do we know what causes the underruns?
10.52.56 #       <LinusN> HD read errors
10.52.58 #       <adi|home> or more to the point, what exactly the underruns are?
10.53.11 #       <adi|home> is it we expect there to be more data and there is nothing there?
10.53.15 #       <LinusN> the HD retries taking too long
10.53.57 #       <LinusN> so the DMA interrupt has no more data to send to the MAS
10.54.05 #       <adi|home> nod
10.54.12 #       <adi|home> and if its the end of the last song, thats right
10.54.14 #       <LinusN> and it thinks that the last block of the last song has been fed to the MAS
10.54.17 #       <adi|home> if its not, then its an error
10.54.54 #       <LinusN> Zagor: the HD retries are transparent, right?
10.55.04 #       <LinusN> so the read() call just takes longer?
10.55.05 #       <adi|home> well.. my outside newbie suggestion would be this...
10.55.08 #       <Zagor> LinusN: yes
10.55.15 #       <LinusN> ok, then i have the solution
10.55.20 #       * adi|home perks up
10.55.25 #       <adi|home> what are you going to do?
10.55.37 #       <LinusN> the 'filling' variable is true during the read()
10.55.53 #       <adi|home> nod
10.56.04 #       <adi|home> so if filling is true, and we time out
10.56.06 #       <adi|home> its an underrun
10.56.10 #       <LinusN> yup
10.56.12 #       <adi|home> if filling is false, end of song
10.56.13 #       <adi|home> nods
10.56.39 #       <LinusN> so instead of a TRACK_CHANGE, the DMA sends UNDERRUN
10.56.47 #       <adi|home> nods
10.56.51 #       <adi|home> makes sense
10.56.56 #       <adi|home> btw..
10.57.02 #       <adi|home> just commenting out all the button_sets
10.57.13 #       <adi|home> doesn't seem to have any ill effects (yet)
10.57.18 #       <adi|home> want me to commit that?
10.57.21 #       <Zagor> adi|home: tetris will probably go a bit faster
10.57.23 #       <Zagor> adi|home: no!
10.57.32 #       <adi|home> hehe thats why i asked...
10.57.32 #       <Zagor> that will wait until post-1.4
10.57.36 #       <adi|home> okay...
10.57.51 #       <adi|home> well.. take it as noted that it's potentially an easy fix
10.57.57 #       <Zagor> yup
11.05.07 #       <adi|home> just thinking..
11.05.16 #       <adi|home> um.. how do you "unload" a loaded font?
11.05.20 #       <adi|home> ie: go to default
11.05.23 #       <adi|home> w/o rebooting?
11.05.55 #       <Zagor> you load another
11.06.09 #       <Zagor> there is no way to just clear the font
11.06.10 #       <adi|home> right.. but to go back to system default.. i don't think we have a way...
11.06.16 #       <adi|home> be nice if there was...
11.06.20 #       * adi|home hmmms...
11.06.29 #       <Zagor> yeah, could be a menu option
11.07.03 #       <adi|home> okay.. umm.. fastforward is not sticking
11.07.20 #       <adi|home> i scroll say 30 seconds a head and it jumps me back to where i started the fastforward
11.07.32 #       <adi|home> hmmm intermiten
11.07.41 #       <Zagor> adi|home: the sound, or just the display?
11.07.49 #       <adi|home> display...
11.07.54 #       <adi|home> hold on.. ill listen to it
11.09.03 #       <adi|home> odd.. seems intermitten on doing it
11.10.11 #       <LinusN> Zagor: what is 0xff in 8859-1?
11.10.24 #       <Zagor> ˙
11.10.25 #       <LinusN> ˙, right?
11.10.37 #       <Zagor> right. so a font is not allowed to start with that :-)
11.10.56 #       <LinusN> let's hope that noone creates ˙ngve.cfg then
11.11.16 #       <bobTHC> ˙ is escape in unix, not?
11.11.21 #       <Zagor> no
11.11.44 #       <Zagor> escape is an ascii control char
11.12.22 #       <bobTHC> it's a special car @ all, when u use on unix ftp, that block the folder
11.12.41 #       <adi|home> hmm can someone test something for me?
11.12.50 #       <adi|home> set your repeat for one
11.12.53 #       <adi|home> play a playlist
11.13.07 #       <adi|home> try and skip to the next song (right arrow once)
11.13.10 #       <adi|home> tell me what happens
11.13.16 #       <Zagor> bobTHC: how do you mean?
11.14.21 #       <bobTHC> when u use ˙ caracter in a folder name on unix ftp, u can access to this folder
11.14.36 #       <bobTHC> dir blocking scheme
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11.15.13 #       <Zagor> bobTHC: that sounds like something specific for a particular ftp server
11.15.18 #       <Zagor> adi|home: it starts over
11.15.24 #       <adi|home> right
11.15.30 #       <adi|home> that seems a bit odd don't it?
11.15.33 #       <adi|home> shouldn't 'one' 
11.15.37 #       <adi|home> mean play the playlist once
11.15.45 #       <adi|home> not the one song
11.16.00 #       <Zagor> ah, no. repeat one is always the song
11.16.02 #       <LinusN> Zagor: mpeg buffer underrun handling committed
11.16.07 #       <Zagor> LinusN: goodie
11.16.16 #       <adi|home> ahh.. just seems odd to me
11.16.23 #       <adi|home> so repeat all would be for playlists?
11.16.31 #       <LinusN> adi|home: what should repeat=no do then?
11.16.45 #       <Zagor> adi|home: repeat one means "repeat one track". repeat all is "repeat all tracks"
11.16.51 #       <adi|home> nods
11.16.59 #       * adi|home never said he thought clearly
11.17.06 #       <adi|home> comeon folks
11.17.12 #       <adi|home> its 0500 here ;)
11.17.15 #       <LinusN> adi|home: we never though so either :-)
11.17.30 #       <adi|home> hehehe
11.17.36 #       <LinusN> Zagor: showstoppers?
11.18.13 #       <adi|home> a woman with 36 D's
11.18.39 #       <Zagor> we have a bunch of bugs that people don't update
11.18.58 #       <adi|home> ?
11.19.01 #       <adi|home> how do you mean Zagor
11.19.24 #       <Zagor> i'd like that that CPUAdrEr fix confirmed before release
11.19.37 #       <Zagor> adi|home: bugs we think we have fixed, but need confirmation of
11.20.12 #       <LinusN> i'll fix the up-left-right button filter
11.21.04 #       <LinusN> i'll skip the AN5 check if UP is pressed, ok?
11.21.33 #       <LinusN> so UP can never be combined with an AN5 key
11.22.12 #       <Zagor> right
11.22.23 #       <LinusN> ok
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13.16.12 #       <freshmaker> Zagor: Hej. ideas, always coming to me on feature freezes...
13.18.43 #       <LinusN> freshmaker: yes?
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13.19.31 #       <freshmaker> you really want a progress meter instead of the  peak meter while performing ff/rw
13.20.37 #       <freshmaker> and please, delete patch 620581, i messed up the diff upload
13.22.19 #       <LinusN> freshmaker: why do we want that?
13.22.31 #       <LinusN> i have a progress meter and a peak meter
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13.23.10 #       <freshmaker> the peak meter is useless while ffrw. the patch simply replaces it with the progress meter while you press << or >>
13.23.54 #       <freshmaker> not all people have both. when you have both, the peak meter is _not_ replaced, of course ;-)
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13.24.33 #       <calpefrosch> hi
13.24.42 #       <LinusN> hi froggy
13.24.50 #       <LinusN> freshmaker: why the peak meter?
13.24.55 #       <calpefrosch> can we just discuss some remote things ?
13.25.02 #       <calpefrosch> sorry, remote control things
13.25.06 #       <LinusN> why not the time display?
13.25.17 #       <LinusN> calpefrosch: shoot
13.25.38 #       <freshmaker> because it doesn't display anything useful while doing ffrw. it's off anyway.
13.26.00 #       <calpefrosch> ok, I me really interrested in the remote control for my sony car radio
13.26.08 #       <LinusN> freshmaker: it is certainly nothing we will add to 1.4
13.26.16 #       <calpefrosch> so I can connect the jukebox to the changer control :-)
13.26.28 #       <freshmaker> but maybe post 1.4
13.26.38 #       <calpefrosch> have you allready done some code for the remote ?
13.26.59 #       <LinusN> calpefrosch: "the remote"?
13.27.21 #       <Zagor> calpefrosch: there is no hardware, how could we have made software
13.27.25 #       <calpefrosch> I ment the remote control interface
13.27.33 #       <LinusN> it is there, woiring
13.27.33 #       <calpefrosch> in the rockbox firmware
13.27.36 #       <LinusN> working
13.27.50 #       <Zagor> remote control has worked since 1.3
13.27.57 #       <calpefrosch> cool, so I can do the hardware on the other side
13.28.00 #       <Zagor> yup
13.28.43 #       <calpefrosch> do you have some place to put the files ? I think it belongs to rockbox
13.29.07 #       <Zagor> i can put it up on the "hardware mods" page
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13.33.18 #       <LinusN> Zagor: the resume info is only saved if you are in wps
13.33.44 #       <calpefrosch> is there some documentation of the remote control interface ? 
13.33.44 #       <Zagor> which resume info?
13.33.56 #       <LinusN> you know, file name, file position
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13.34.18 #       <Zagor> tree.c saves it too
13.35.21 #       <LinusN> but not the menus and the games
13.35.34 #       <Zagor> why would they?
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13.35.43 #       <Zagor> yo, baggie!
13.35.48 #       <Bagder> hey
13.35.56 #       <LinusN> because you play a game while listening to music, and then decide to turn off the unit
13.36.54 #       <Zagor> LinusN: ah, now I understand what you mean. right, that should be handled better.
13.39.33 #       <LinusN> it should probably be handled by the mpeg thread
13.39.43 #       <LinusN> but the settings are an apps/ thing...
13.39.48 #       <Zagor> a callback
13.39.53 #       <LinusN> perhaps
13.40.07 #       <LinusN> callbacks are not always nice
13.40.20 #       <LinusN> thread context
13.40.44 #       <Bagder> but they're easy to add ;-)
13.40.51 #       <Zagor> it's up to the callback to be responsible
13.41.06 #       <Zagor> adding settings saving to mpeg.c is a lot worse...
13.43.39 #       <LinusN> indeed
13.46.04 #       <calpefrosch> please, do you have any documentation, or can you tell me where to find the code ( which file) for the remote control ?
13.46.34 #       <LinusN> firmware/drivers/serial.c
13.46.40 #       <calpefrosch> tnx
13.46.42 #       <LinusN> http://rockbox.haxx.se/notes.html
13.47.14 #       <LinusN> calpefrosch: player or recorder?
13.48.19 #       <calpefrosch> recorder
13.48.38 #       <LinusN> calpefrosch: please download the latest bleeding edge build
13.49.03 #       <calpefrosch> I got the source from cvs
13.49.18 #       <LinusN> ok, go to menu->debug->view hw info
13.50.04 #       <calpefrosch> one moment please
13.51.22 #       <calpefrosch> hmm, I did not find this entry. 
13.51.52 #       <LinusN> how old is you CVS then?
13.52.20 #       <calpefrosch> I just downloaded the last daily build 20021009
13.53.14 #       <LinusN> but you had a fresh CVS???
13.53.23 #       <LinusN> you just told me
13.53.56 #       <calpefrosch> is there a build in the cvs ? 
13.54.08 #       <LinusN> ?
13.54.11 #       <calpefrosch> i have no compiler running here...
13.54.49 #       <calpefrosch> ok, now I find the bleeding edge build at the end of the page. can I download it for my archos ?
13.56.10 #       <LinusN> yes
13.57.16 #       <calpefrosch> know I have it. I'm a little bit slow ;-)
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13.59.32 #       <calpefrosch> ok, I see the hw info
13.59.46 #       <LinusN> gimme
14.01.32 #       <calpefrosch> Rom: 1.25
14.01.39 #       <calpefrosch> Mask 0x0302
14.01.44 #       <calpefrosch> USB: positive
14.01.49 #       <calpefrosch> ATA: 0x200
14.02.00 #       <calpefrosch> PR: positive
14.02.09 #       <calpefrosch> Freq: 11.0592
14.02.12 #       <calpefrosch> all
14.02.22 #       <LinusN> thanks
14.02.28 #       <calpefrosch> and know ?
14.02.36 #       <LinusN> go to sleep
14.02.38 #       <LinusN> :-)
14.02.53 #       <calpefrosch> good night ;-)
14.03.51 #       <LinusN> i wish langhaarrocker could join
14.04.05 #       <calpefrosch> why ?
14.07.00 #       <LinusN> he has a very old recorder
14.11.02 #       <elinenbe> I have an old recorder too
14.11.22 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: i didn't know you were awake
14.11.30 #       <elinenbe> just got here.
14.11.31 #       <LinusN> you keep connecting and disconnecting all night
14.11.54 #       <elinenbe> yeah, I don't know what the deal is with this "new behavior"
14.12.08 #       <LinusN> so we never know if it is you or your IRC client
14.12.26 #       <elinenbe> 1:30am, 3:50am, 7:30am (EVERY NIGHT!!)
14.12.47 #       <LinusN> anyway, run the latest bleeding edge and go to menu->debug->view hw info
14.12.53 #       <elinenbe> ok
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14.21.22 #       <elinenbe> what do you want to know?
14.21.33 #       <LinusN> all info on that screen
14.21.41 #       <elinenbe> rom 1.1.5
14.21.43 #       <elinenbe> sorry
14.21.47 #       <elinenbe> ROM 1.15
14.22.02 #       <elinenbe> MasK 0x0002
14.22.09 #       <elinenbe> USB: negative
14.22.18 #       <elinenbe> ATA: 0x300
14.22.22 #       <elinenbe> PR: negative
14.22.35 #       <elinenbe> Freq: 16.795MHz
14.22.52 #       <LinusN> what?
14.22.55 #       <elinenbe> oh wait... :)  Freq: 11.0592MHz
14.23.03 #       <LinusN> hahaha
14.23.33 #       <LinusN> what exactly does your ROM firmware say when you boot it?
14.23.42 #       <Bagder> hahah
14.24.03 #       <elinenbe> 1.17ia
14.24.14 #       <LinusN> so weird
14.24.23 #       <elinenbe> what is so weird?
14.24.31 #       <LinusN> 1.17ia
14.24.53 #       <elinenbe> well, I also get the reverse display every 5th time I boot (mirrored and shifted display!)
14.24.54 #       <LinusN> the 1.17 releases are so many
14.26.00 #       <LinusN> cool
14.26.04 #       <elinenbe> that makes each one extra special.
14.26.19 #       <elinenbe> well, it is more annoying then anything.
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15.01.56 #       <elinenbe> .
15.30.53 #       <Bagder> LinusN: if I add a playlist_amount(), will you do the mpeg changes to stop insane looping?
15.31.44 #       * norm_ wonders why latest build is not loading his .rockbox/default.wps
15.31.57 #       <Bagder> norm_: that functionality is removed
15.32.03 #       <norm_> That'd do it
15.32.07 #       <LinusN> Bagder: sure
15.32.22 #       <Bagder> norm_: browse/play the one you wanna use
15.32.34 #       <Bagder> norm_: that selection is then saved and used from then on
15.32.34 #       <norm_> Bagder: is it coming back?  
15.32.44 #       <Bagder> if it is stored in .rockbox
15.32.45 #       <norm_> Bagder: ah, saved persistently
15.32.46 #       <LinusN> norm_: no, default.wps is history
15.32.55 #       <LinusN> but the wps file must be in .rockbox
15.33.15 #       <Bagder> is this written anywhere?
15.34.01 #       <LinusN> Bagder: will playlist_peek() ever return NULL then?
15.34.18 #       <Bagder> yes, on errors
15.34.22 #       <LinusN> oh, when repeat==off
15.34.35 #       <Bagder> and if the actual playlist fails to load or something
15.35.14 #       <Bagder> int playlist_amount(void)
15.35.31 #       <norm_> Hrm, I load my .rockbox/default.wps through browse/play, and now I get a blank WPS 
15.35.57 #       <norm_> OK, intermittent
15.36.29 #       <norm_> Bagder, LinusN: Thanks for your help
15.36.51 #       <LinusN> Bagder: what does playlist_amount(9 return when repeat=off?
15.36.52 #       <Bagder> LinusN: committed
15.37.25 #       <Bagder> you want it to do different depending on that?
15.38.05 #       <LinusN> just wondered
15.38.22 #       <Bagder> int playlist_amount(void)
15.38.22 #       <Bagder> {
15.38.22 #       <Bagder>     return playlist.amount;
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15.38.22 #       <Bagder> }
15.38.30 #       <Bagder> very advanced code
15.38.34 #       <LinusN> complex :-)
15.38.45 #       <LinusN> not for everyone
15.40.02 #       <LinusN> Bagder: please add it to playlist.h
15.40.36 #       <Bagder> why? does mpeg include that?
15.40.48 #       <LinusN> ah, sorry
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15.42.14 #       <Bagder> I'll add it anyway, for other reasons
15.42.20 #       <LinusN> Bagder: ok
15.43.29 #       <LinusN> testing...
15.44.39 #       <LinusN> bad playlist "worked"
15.44.57 #       <Bagder> you have a dir with only a few tiny songs?
15.44.58 #       <LinusN> now testing a good all-songs-in-memory list
15.45.02 #       <Bagder> ok
15.45.35 #       <LinusN> worked too
15.45.43 #       <Bagder> coolio
15.45.53 #       <LinusN> now lets toss this stupid "Press ON" text out the window!!!
15.46.32 #       <LinusN> dfg: have a recorder?
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15.51.31 #       <Bagder> http://www.phonebutler.com/
15.51.59 #       <Bagder> those americans are fun ;-)
15.54.02 #       <LinusN> americans don't have butlers, englishmen do :-)
15.54.08 #       <Bagder> true
15.54.23 #       <Bagder> I wouldn't turn one down either ;-)
15.56.25 #       <Bagder> that "Press ON" text still pops up when the playlist ends without repeat, right?
15.56.37 #       <LinusN> i repeat:
15.56.40 #       <LinusN> now lets toss this stupid "Press ON" text out the window!!!
15.56.54 #       <LinusN> :-)
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15.57.05 #       <Bagder> :-P
15.57.17 #       <Bagder> my question was more about when it happens
15.57.25 #       <Bagder> can it appear in any other situation?
15.58.21 #       <LinusN> bad playlist and end-of-playlist
15.58.49 #       <Bagder> ok, so we could show "end of playlist" for 1 sec and then return back to the dir browsre
15.59.02 #       <Bagder> or something
15.59.16 #       <LinusN> yup
15.59.24 #       <LinusN> gotta go home. bye!
15.59.29 #       <Bagder> bye 
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16.11.57 #       <norm_> Is LinusN asking everybody about what's in their Debug->H/W info?
16.12.04 #       <Bagder> yes
16.12.13 #       <Bagder> all recorder owners at least
16.12.36 #       <norm_> M'kay.  I'll pass mine along next time he joins
16.13.12 #       <Bagder> you do that, it'll help
16.16.05 Quit    calpefrosch (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
16.22.44 #       <Bagder> time to go
16.22.46 Part    Bagder
16.24.02 #       <Zagor> gotta go
16.24.04 Quit    Zagor ("Client Exiting")
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16.58.02 #       <quelsaruk> hi
16.58.13 #       <bobTHC> hi!
16.58.35 #       <quelsaruk> it's been a long time since my last conection :)
17.01.36 #       <elinenbe> hello
17.11.15 #       <panthar> olleh
17.12.04 #       <norm_> ih!
17.12.15 #       <norm_> "We are the knights who say "ih!""
17.12.16 #       <norm_> d:)
17.13.53 #       <norm_> No Monty Python fans here, I guess d:)
17.14.16 Part    bobTHC
17.17.45 Quit    elinenbe ()
17.21.15 #       <panthar> thats not right
17.21.19 #       <panthar> it is "Ni!"
17.21.47 #       <panthar> if you say it incorrectly once more, i shall force you to cut down the largest tree in the forest with a HERRING
17.22.34 #       <panthar> you silly english pig-dog
17.22.38 #       <panthar> your mother was a hamster
17.22.46 #       <panthar> and your father smelt of elderberries
17.22.53 #       <panthar> so go away or I shall tauht you a second time
17.22.58 #       <panthar> pbbbbbtttttttt
17.23.29 #       <quelsaruk> cu
17.23.33 Quit    quelsaruk ("KVIrc 3.0.0-beta1 "Eve's Avatar"")
17.24.28 #       <panthar> a cool feature in rockbox would be to detect whether the jukebox is charging, and if so, allow the backlight to remain lit indefinitely
17.24.33 #       <panthar> e.g. for car use
17.24.57 #       <Schnueff> u mean if it is plugged to external power or if it is actually charging?
17.25.13 #       <panthar> plugged it actually
17.25.21 #       <Schnueff> thats implemented in CVS
17.25.25 #       <panthar> ah ;)
17.25.32 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
17.25.32 #       * panthar whips out a cross-compiler
17.27.07 #       <panthar> or will that be in the daily build?
17.27.12 #       <Schnueff> should be
17.27.13 #       <panthar> if it is in the main branch...
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17.29.29 #       <panthar> worth a shot instead of setting up the build environment to look at this 1 little feature :)
17.33.10 #       <norm_> panthar: that's in the latest builds
17.33.50 #       <norm_> panthar: Yeah, I used "ih" because you had used "olleh" earlier d:)
17.34.08 #       <norm_> Silly English k-nig-ht
17.38.42 #       <panthar> ih?
17.39.00 #       <panthar> heh
17.39.01 #       <panthar> hm
17.39.17 #       <panthar> the latest build makes the song name disappear during play
17.39.31 #       <panthar> but the light can stay on
17.39.33 #       <panthar> doh
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17.41.43 #       <norm_> Song name disappears during play?
17.42.02 #       <panthar> it does not show
17.42.20 #       <panthar> ajb 6000
17.42.26 #       <norm_> In the WPS screen?  Does everything else show?  Like the filename, album, artist, etc.?
17.42.28 #       <panthar> the text area is blank
17.42.31 #       <norm_> Ah
17.42.36 #       <norm_> Try restarting
17.42.46 #       <norm_> This might be the "blank wps issue"
17.42.50 #       <panthar> power off then power on?
17.42.56 #       <norm_> Yeah
17.43.01 #       <norm_> Are you using custom .wps file?
17.43.18 #       <panthar> not using anything
17.43.23 #       <panthar> just the latest mod
17.43.28 #       <panthar> is a .wps file required now?
17.44.01 #       <panthar> i had 1.3 running and now i am trying the daily build .mod
17.44.11 #       <norm_> I don't think so.  But I have seen an issue where the first time it loads the .wps, you get a blank screen the first time it displays, then after that it works
17.44.22 #       <norm_> Maybe that's true for the default WPS as well, I dunno
17.44.34 #       <panthar> I shut off then on
17.44.39 #       <panthar> still nothing during play
17.44.43 #       <panthar> navigation is fine
17.44.46 #       <panthar> options are fine
17.44.52 #       <panthar> just nothing during play
17.45.02 #       <norm_> Hrm.  Try a custom .wps file, maybe?  
17.45.30 #       <norm_> (at this point, I don't know what's wrong... maybe send a mail about it to the list??)
17.46.33 #       <panthar> player does .wps?
17.46.36 #       <panthar> custom ones?
17.47.06 #       <norm_> Yep
17.47.12 #       <norm_> Both player and recorder
17.47.21 #       <norm_> docs/CUSTOM_WPS_FORMAT explains the format
17.47.34 #       <norm_> (if you have a local copy, otherwise check the FAQ online)
17.48.36 #       <norm_> Also, currently the .wps file must be in /.rockbox (or so I'm told)
17.48.36 #       <panthar> hm
17.48.43 #       <panthar> i dont even have a default one
17.49.43 #       <norm_> Yeah, I don't think you need to have one, but since you're seeing this problem, I'm just suggesting you try making one to see if it helps
17.51.15 #       <panthar> hardcoded one must be gone/dead
17.51.26 #       <panthar> i wrote one called default.wps and now i have display :)
17.52.38 #       <panthar> the doc says if there are none you get the hardcoded wps
17.52.49 #       <panthar> but tat must have changed in the code at least
17.52.49 #       <Schnueff> i think there was some issue fixed this day
17.53.04 #       <panthar> so tomorrow's build will have it?
17.53.07 #       <Schnueff> try the tomorrow build or compile for yourself perhaps
17.53.15 #       <Schnueff> i should think so
17.53.25 #       <panthar> it was easy to make default.wps though
17.53.28 #       <Schnueff> or the bleeding edge build
17.53.35 #       <panthar> so i can still use it
17.53.48 #       <Schnueff> (bleeding edge build at bottom of daily build page)
17.53.57 #       <panthar> right
17.54.08 #       <panthar> the "Every hour" builds
17.54.09 #       <panthar> whee
17.54.16 #       <Schnueff> yes, did u try this already?
17.54.30 #       <panthar> i didnt try the bleeding one
17.54.41 #       <panthar> i tried today's daily and wrote a default.wps by hand
17.54.45 #       <Schnueff> ok
17.54.47 #       <panthar> and that works
17.55.17 #       <panthar> i cant wait till i find a good deal/save the money for the recorder 20
17.55.27 #       <panthar> much nicer display to work with and customize
17.55.36 #       <panthar> this 2-line jb 6000 is boring :)
17.55.36 #       <panthar> heh
17.55.57 #       <panthar> i am getting dizzy from the scroll
17.57.20 #       <panthar> hm
17.57.24 #       <panthar> need about $200
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17.59.36 #       <panthar> hm
17.59.40 #       <panthar> $228 new at buy.com
18.00.14 #       <panthar> is that decent?
18.02.36 #       <panthar> grr
18.02.43 #       <Schnueff> dunno
18.02.47 #       <panthar> anyone have the URL to archos.com support area?
18.02.55 #       <panthar> the links do not work on the site
18.06.19 Quit    pyvasene ("[x]chat")
18.06.23 #       <panthar> hm
18.06.27 #       <panthar> seems their site is just hosed
18.06.29 #       <panthar> oh well
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18.13.33 Join    LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se)
18.13.45 #       <Schnueff> wb LinusN 
18.13.51 #       <LinusN> thx
18.14.22 #       <LinusN> looking for recorder owners on the list as usual
18.14.29 #       <LinusN> any recorder users here?
18.14.32 #       <Schnueff> me
18.14.41 #       <Schnueff> by u got my stats already
18.14.42 #       <wallie> me
18.14.54 #       <Schnueff> by=but
18.15.00 #       <wallie> would love to see the recording option implemented soon :)
18.15.03 #       <LinusN> wallie: can you download and run the latest bleeding edge build?
18.15.11 #       <LinusN> wallie: i have the drivers ready
18.15.16 #       <wallie> sure ...give me s sec.
18.15.22 #       <wallie> really!!!!!
18.15.33 #       <LinusN> yup, just waiting for the file write support
18.16.07 #       <wallie> do u know what's causing the current archos firmware to lockup after about 20 minutes of recording?
18.16.08 #       <LinusN> file writes and recording will have top prio after 1.4 is released
18.16.28 #       <LinusN> wallie: no, i have only used it once, for 25 seconds
18.16.36 #       <wallie> :D
18.16.52 #       <wallie> I hope it's not a hardware limitation...
18.17.03 #       <LinusN> wallie: what ROM firmware version do you have?
18.17.15 #       <wallie> 1.28
18.17.32 #       <LinusN> fairly new then
18.17.36 #       <wallie> ok ..the latest build is 20021009 on the site
18.17.47 #       <LinusN> no, use the latest bleeding edge
18.17.48 #       <wallie> is that the one u want me to download?
18.18.01 #       <wallie> url?
18.18.04 #       <LinusN> below the large table
18.18.30 #       <wallie> ok
18.22.25 #       <wallie> ok i just loaded it
18.22.48 #       <wallie> ver. 021009-1603
18.23.39 #       <LinusN> ok, go to menu->debug->view hw info
18.24.00 #       <wallie> ok
18.24.13 #       <wallie> rom =1.28
18.24.18 #       <LinusN> then tell me everything that it says
18.24.19 #       <wallie> mask =0x0302
18.24.28 #       <wallie> usb=positive
18.24.35 #       <wallie> ata=0x200
18.24.40 #       <wallie> pr=positive
18.24.52 #       <wallie> freq=11.0592MHz
18.25.01 #       <wallie> that's it
18.25.04 #       <LinusN> thx
18.25.10 #       <LinusN> and you have USB2.0 right?
18.25.25 #       <wallie> I don't think so...
18.25.32 #       <wallie> on my pc
18.25.49 #       <LinusN> no, the archos
18.25.58 #       <wallie> yes it's usb 2
18.26.05 #       <LinusN> gr8
18.26.25 #       <LinusN> what i really need is some old boxes to test
18.27.36 #       <wallie> archos should just give u one :)
18.29.45 #       <LinusN> hehe
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18.36.45 #       <LinusN> TotMacher: got your recorder?
18.36.55 #       <TotMacher> jo
18.37.04 #       <LinusN> d/l the latest bleeding edge
18.37.12 #       <wallie> let me help u with testing the recording option when it's ready, Linus...I'm a musician and I do extensive recording...I'm hoping to use archos to record live sets i.e. over 3 hours of continues recording
18.37.36 #       <LinusN> wallie: just stay tuned on the IRC channel
18.37.43 #       <wallie> cool
18.37.49 #       <LinusN> i'll let you know when i need help
18.37.59 #       <wallie> ;)
18.37.59 #       <TotMacher> my recorder is in my car :)
18.43.22 #       <LinusN> too bad
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18.53.48 Join    prv_ [0] (~prv@209.166.235.91)
18.57.15 #       <LinusN> prv_: player or recorder?
18.59.57 #       <norm_> LinusN: Odd.  I go to debug menu and select HW info.  My screen flickers once, then nothing
19.00.18 #       <LinusN> wow
19.00.24 #       <LinusN> bleeding edge build?
19.00.32 #       <norm_> Yep
19.00.34 #       <norm_> Well
19.00.42 #       <norm_> 200210091440
19.00.47 #       <LinusN> have you set the clock?
19.00.56 #       <norm_> Yep
19.01.01 #       <LinusN> hmmm
19.01.18 #       <LinusN> is the screen blank?
19.01.53 #       <norm_> No.  From the debug menu, I select HW info.  It flickers (as though it were showing the HW info) but then drops immediately to the debug menu again
19.02.08 #       <norm_> The flicker is too fast to see if it actually drew the HW data on the screen
19.02.09 Quit    dfg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
19.02.24 #       <norm_> LinusN: With this build, I was able to access HW info earlier
19.02.40 #       <LinusN> really?
19.02.49 #       <norm_> Yep
19.03.10 #       <norm_> In fact, I just got back in
19.03.12 #       <norm_> After rebooting
19.03.19 #       <LinusN> spooky
19.03.39 #       <norm_> One sec, I'll give you the data
19.04.37 #       <norm_> ROM: 1.26
19.04.37 #       <norm_> Mask: 0x0302
19.04.37 #       <norm_> USB: positive
19.04.37 DBUG    Enqueued KICK norm_
19.04.37 #       <norm_> ATA: 0x200
19.04.37 #       <norm_> prv_: positive
19.04.38 ***     Alert Mode level 1
19.04.38 #       <norm_> Freq: 11.0592MHz
19.05.14 #       <LinusN> thanks
19.05.27 #       <norm_> np
19.05.58 #       <norm_> Heh, xchat went and subbed prv_'s nick for "PR"
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19.12.21 #       <LinusN> langhaarrocker: !!!!!!!
19.12.21 #       <LinusN> finally!
19.12.21 #       <langhaarrocker> That's me!
19.12.21 #       <langhaarrocker> What do you need?
19.12.21 #       <LinusN> i've been waiting for you
19.12.21 DBUG    Enqueued KICK LinusN
19.12.21 #       <LinusN> d/l the latest bleeding edge
19.12.24 #       <LinusN> or sync CVS and rebuild
19.12.50 #       <langhaarrocker> nah, to much changed in my workspace.
19.12.51 #       <LinusN> go to menu->debug->view hw info
19.13.17 #       <langhaarrocker> cool thing btw.
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19.13.37 #       <langhaarrocker> you want my key values?
19.13.41 #       <LinusN> yup
19.14.39 ***     Alert Mode OFF
19.14.47 #       <langhaarrocker> rom 1.18
19.14.47 #       <langhaarrocker> mask 0x0002
19.14.47 #       <langhaarrocker> usb: negative
19.14.47 DBUG    Enqueued KICK langhaarrocker
19.14.47 #       <langhaarrocker> ata: 0x300
19.14.47 #       <langhaarrocker> Pr: negative
19.16.04 #       <langhaarrocker> Will some bad men in black now be able to identify me by these numbers?
19.16.15 Ctcp    Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 10 minutes and 10 seconds at the last flood
19.16.15 #       * langhaarrocker is shivering
19.17.18 #       <LinusN> langhaarrocker: no frequency?
19.18.36 #       <LinusN> did you really d/l the bleeding edge?
19.19.07 #       <LinusN> and what ROM version does your boot screen say?
19.19.13 #       * norm_ found that he had to clear his cache in Mozilla to *really* get the latest version
19.19.44 #       <langhaarrocker> I rolo'd the wrong file...
19.19.44 #       <langhaarrocker> FReq: 11.0592 MHz
19.19.57 #       <LinusN> langhaarrocker: really?????
19.20.14 #       <langhaarrocker> is it broken?
19.20.21 #       <LinusN> You are not the Phil whose pictures we have on the site?
19.20.37 #       <langhaarrocker> That's my recorder's guts. Yes.
19.20.48 #       <LinusN> i am really puzzled
19.21.03 #       <langhaarrocker> why?
19.21.03 #       <LinusN> your pictures reveal a 12MHz oscillator
19.22.02 #       <langhaarrocker> F&ck! That's why my jukebox is so slow!
19.23.09 #       <langhaarrocker> Do you measure the frequency or read out some magic values from the rom?
19.23.59 #       <LinusN> ok, i see now
19.23.59 #       <LinusN> you have a 12MHz oscillator for the ISD200
19.24.00 #       <LinusN> i measure
19.24.00 #       <LinusN> sort of
19.24.01 #       <LinusN> i count the ticks during 1 second
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19.24.08 #       <LinusN> if i get 100, it's 11.0562MHz, if it's more, i guess it's 12MHz
19.24.15 #       <LinusN> semaphore: player or recorder?
19.25.12 #       <LinusN> langhaarrocker: what ROM version does your boot screen say?
19.25.36 #       <langhaarrocker> As long as you don't ask catholic or protestant...
19.25.36 #       <langhaarrocker> 1.17i
19.25.42 #       <LinusN> thx
19.26.49 #       <semaphore> recorder
19.27.04 #       <semaphore> rom 1.28
19.27.23 #       <langhaarrocker> Btw: Last time I unscrewed the thing I forgot to resolder the mic. Not that I need it but now I of course have forgotten where to solder it to. Somewhen I'll have to do a beeping session with the multimeter.
19.28.36 #       <langhaarrocker> Where has all loading of default files gone?
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19.30.55 #       <langhaarrocker> Don't we want to load default files any more?
19.31.03 #       <langhaarrocker> why?
19.34.14 #       <LinusN> we remember the loaded files
19.34.24 #       <LinusN> just put them in .rockbox and play them
19.34.28 Quit    prv_ (Connection timed out)
19.35.02 #       <LinusN> keep the filenames short (<16 chars i think, excluding extension)
19.35.22 #       <langhaarrocker> So I must search in settings.c for where to put my default key scheme file?
19.35.26 #       <LinusN> semaphore: d/l the latest bleeding edge build
19.35.34 #       <LinusN> langhaarrocker: ?
19.36.34 #       <langhaarrocker> I have a file with my default key bindings. That must be loaded at boot up. I have to use the same technique as for default.wps or whatever.
19.37.37 #       <langhaarrocker> found it.
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19.38.57 #       <semaphore> i just did 
19.38.59 #       <langhaarrocker> I hate messing simultaniously with others at the same things. I don't want to have to solve cvs conflicts
19.39.35 Quit    wallie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
19.39.50 #       <semaphore> rom:1.28
19.39.58 #       <semaphore> mask:0X0302
19.40.02 #       <semaphore> usb:pos
19.40.11 #       <semaphore> usb: positive
19.40.18 #       <semaphore> ata: 0X200
19.40.23 #       <semaphore> pr: positive
19.40.34 #       <LinusN> thanks
19.40.37 #       <semaphore> freq: 12MHz
19.40.52 #       <LinusN> i don't believe you
19.40.59 #       <semaphore> ?
19.41.06 #       <LinusN> do that again
19.41.40 #       <langhaarrocker> maybe semaphores wormlets creep faster than mine.
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19.42.21 #       <LinusN> semaphore: the frequency seems wrong
19.42.29 #       <semaphore> hmmm. this time freq: 11.0592
19.42.30 #       <LinusN> hi Zagor
19.42.34 #       <Zagor> hi
19.42.37 #       <LinusN> semaphore: good
19.43.18 #       <LinusN> collecting hardware info like crazy here
19.43.31 #       <Zagor> seeing any patterns?
19.43.43 #       * Zagor spots langhaarrocker
19.43.48 #       <LinusN> the 12MHz oscillator on langhaarrockers recorder was a false alarm
19.43.48 #       <langhaarrocker> that's me
19.43.51 #       <semaphore> just reboot again and got freq: 11.0592  again
19.43.57 #       <Zagor> ah
19.44.00 #       <Django> Hi!
19.44.06 #       <Zagor> hi Django
19.44.12 #       <LinusN> semaphore: just a false measurement
19.44.21 #       <semaphore> what about on mine?
19.44.27 #       <LinusN> Zagor: i see patterns
19.44.27 #       <semaphore> ok
19.44.54 #       <LinusN> i'm still puzzled by the 0x200 bit
19.45.30 #       <langhaarrocker> Is that some adress for adressing the hd?
19.45.33 #       <LinusN> my theory is that recorders with 1.25 and up have shorter battery time than the others (with rockbox)
19.45.49 #       <LinusN> langhaarrocker: no, the bit mask
19.45.57 #       <LinusN> 0x302
19.46.04 #       <Zagor> we should get someone to do more measurements
19.46.18 #       <Django> Linus,Zagor: my patched rockbox has button relases enabled. This make some menu functions return immediately. What about making them "release-proof"?
19.46.38 #       <LinusN> a guy on funmp3players promised to do some measurements, but i haven't heard from him
19.46.59 #       * langhaarrocker feels guilty for not having finished bindable keys, yet
19.47.01 #       <Zagor> Django: they will be. why did you patch the release mask?
19.47.17 #       <LinusN> langhaarrocker: we forgive you
19.47.21 #       <LinusN> this time
19.47.45 #       * langhaarrocker feels guilty for still holding back this fabulous peak meter patch
19.47.46 #       <LinusN> three strikes
19.47.51 #       <Django> Zagor: because I had to tell button press from button hold and button release.
19.47.52 #       * LinusN is getting statistics from funmp3players too
19.52.21 #       <Django> Linus: what kind of statistics is this?  Number of Rockbox users?
19.52.22 #       <langhaarrocker> Didn't you know that rockbox is just a trojan horse that posts to funmp3players for LinusNs statistic researches?
19.52.22 #       <langhaarrocker> :)
19.52.41 #       <LinusN> Django: i'm collecting hardware information
19.52.49 #       <LinusN> Django: player or recorder?
19.52.56 #       <Django> Recorder
19.53.02 #       <Django> Two weeks old.
19.53.23 #       <LinusN> Django: d/l the latest bleeding edge (not daily) build
19.53.39 #       <Django> ok
19.55.52 #       <Django> Linus: Running "Bleeding edge" now.
19.56.13 #       <LinusN> go to menu->debug->view hw info
19.56.24 #       <LinusN> and give me the info
19.58.14 #       <Django> ROM 1.28
19.58.30 #       <Django> Mask: 0x0302
19.58.36 #       <Django> USB: positive
19.58.44 #       <Django> ATA: 0x200
19.58.54 #       <Django> PR: positive
19.59.08 #       <Django> Freq: 11.0592MHz
19.59.12 #       <Django> done
19.59.20 #       <LinusN> thanks
19.59.56 #       <Django> Linus: are you hunting hardware-related problems?
20.00.43 #       <LinusN> i am hunting hardware differences
20.00.59 #       <LinusN> we do plug & play now, but i hope to use the hardware info instead
20.01.43 #       <Django> what does "plug and play" refer to?
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20.04.00 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: AN4: anywhere from 370-390
20.04.20 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: AN4: mostly 37C-383
20.04.57 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: AN4: with (just F3) 3FC or 3FF
20.06.39 #       <Zagor> Django: it means we try to detect various hardware differences by magic tricks
20.07.22 #       <elinenbe> the channel is pretty busy for this time of the day
20.07.50 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: we have no margins for moving the F3 detection threshold
20.08.21 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: what is F3 on most recorders?
20.08.31 #       <LinusN> your top reading with F1+UP is 912 decimal
20.08.37 #       <Zagor> F1 and UP is the same channel, we can't read that
20.08.43 #       <LinusN> Björns F3 button gives 917
20.08.55 #       <LinusN> Zagor: we are not trying to do combos
20.09.01 #       <Zagor> elinenbe is
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20.09.08 #       <LinusN> by mistake
20.09.13 #       <Zagor> ?
20.09.27 #       <LinusN> he accidentally presses F1+UP
20.09.32 #       <elinenbe> I keep hitting F1+UP
20.09.35 #       <LinusN> and it triggers F3
20.09.42 #       <elinenbe> and then the F3 quick menu pops up.
20.09.58 #       <Zagor> how can you accidentally press F1+UP ??
20.10.07 #       <LinusN> using two hands
20.10.23 #       <elinenbe> i go to the menu and hit up real fast, whil I am playing a song.
20.10.37 #       <elinenbe> I end up overlapping the presses and then I have to hit F3 to get out of the menu.
20.10.59 #       <Zagor> still, it's definitely no prio 8 bug
20.11.26 #       <elinenbe> hehe... I know that :)
20.11.30 #       <elinenbe> I was just playing.
20.11.58 #       <Zagor> please don't. we actually use the prio field.
20.12.36 #       <elinenbe> oh.. okay.  Why does Sourceforge send out so many copies of bug reports?
20.12.41 #       <LinusN> ...to mod down silly bug reports :-)
20.12.51 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: it sends one copy for each change
20.13.00 #       <elinenbe> ah....
20.14.41 #       <elinenbe> I think you should use the [Hardware Info] screen information to make a lookup table to adjust to the different versions of the recorder at bootup.
20.15.36 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: that's the idea
20.17.49 #       <elinenbe> then hopefully there will not have to be any little hacks for certain versions, etc.
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20.18.36 #       <Django> Could it be that the bleeding edge build ignores my default.fnt ?
20.19.09 #       <LinusN> Django: yes
20.19.48 #       <langhaarrocker> people: duck! I'll try again to post a patch. Last time I ended up posting thrice by accident.
20.20.44 #       <Django> Well, then I asume there is now a different way to select a default font.  Any hint ?
20.20.53 #       <LinusN> langhaarrocker: the trick is not to use Back in your browser
20.21.08 #       <LinusN> Django: put your fonts in .rockbox/
20.21.13 #       <LinusN> and play them
20.21.20 #       <langhaarrocker> LinusN: I won't doulbe check that :)
20.21.22 #       <LinusN> rockbox remembers which font you loaded
20.23.38 #       <Django> where is the font selection stored?
20.23.49 #       <LinusN> on disk
20.23.53 #       <LinusN> in sector 61
20.24.21 #       <elinenbe> it does not remember it here.
20.24.39 #       <elinenbe> if I load a font and then shut off, then turn back on, it is the built in font.
20.24.45 #       <Django> I see. So if I use some older version in between that info is lost ?
20.24.48 #       <LinusN> it only remembers fonts that are loaded from .rockbox/
20.25.01 #       <LinusN> and if their names are short
20.25.12 #       <elinenbe> oh..
20.25.24 #       <elinenbe> I have my fonts in .rockbox/fonts/
20.25.34 #       <elinenbe> I think that will be causing some problems :)
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20.27.20 #       <Zagor> no problems, it just will not remember them :-)
20.27.52 #       <Django> Has default.wps also been killed?
20.28.15 #       <Zagor> yes
20.28.37 #       <Zagor> just "play" it once to get back the old behaviour
20.29.03 #       <elinenbe> how do you get back to the default (built in wps and font)?
20.29.22 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: you don't, yet
20.29.30 #       <Zagor> i'll add that
20.29.38 #       <langhaarrocker> Generalsettings->reset?
20.29.46 #       <elinenbe> see, I just loaded a wps, that has nothing in it. :)
20.30.02 #       <Zagor> langhaarrocker: that does not reset already loaded font and wps
20.30.11 #       <Zagor> yet...
20.30.20 #       <langhaarrocker> :)
20.30.50 #       <langhaarrocker> neither does it reset loadable key schemes. Yet.
20.30.55 #       <Zagor> haha
20.30.58 #       <norm_> elinenbe: Some of us have seen that bug before
20.31.06 #       <norm_> The first time you load the .wps you get a blank screen
20.31.13 #       <norm_> If you restart, it will work
20.31.22 #       <elinenbe> my wps was blank though!
20.31.24 #       <norm_> For me, even going to browse mode and back to WPS made it work
20.31.28 #       <elinenbe> it was supposed to be like that!
20.31.33 #       <norm_> elinenbe: Oh
20.31.37 #       <norm_> It was supposed to be blank?
20.31.50 #       <elinenbe> I like the "blank screen look"
20.31.57 #       <LinusN|tea> langhaarrocker: the RTC block can not be larger than 44 bytes
20.32.09 #       <langhaarrocker> :(
20.32.31 #       <langhaarrocker> Honestly I didn't really understand that thing.
20.32.49 #       <LinusN|tea> you don't need to change RTC_BLOCK_SIZE
20.32.49 #       <Django> Can't we get it both ways please?  Use the stored font/wps but make them overridable by default.* files.
20.33.12 #       <LinusN|tea> Django: why?
20.33.56 #       <LinusN|tea> langhaarrocker: you did everything else (almost) right
20.34.14 #       <langhaarrocker> Strange. That's not my style.
20.34.21 #       <Django> Some people (e.g. me) would like rockbox to come always with the same look, no matter what I did to it during the last session.
20.35.12 #       <LinusN|tea> langhaarrocker: what's the max value for release?
20.35.26 #       <langhaarrocker> lcd_width
20.36.22 #       <Zagor> Django: the whole idea is for it to stay as you selected last time, and *not* go back to a hardcoded default
20.37.57 #       <Django> Linus: what if I make a font consisting entirely of blanks, put it on the web and anounce it?  If you load that your display goes blank. Could be shocling for a 'normal' user.
20.38.41 #       <langhaarrocker> LinusN: do you think about combining releas value with something else in the rtc? We can reduce its max range to say 32 without noticable effects.
20.39.05 #       <Zagor> "I also intend to put together a User Requirements document and Design Document." -- JBMMFirmware project guy. (They haven't yet figured out how the firmware is even loaded)
20.39.45 #       <Zagor> talk about brainwashed guy
20.39.56 #       <langhaarrocker> Apropos design: anything happened with the t-shirt design?
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20.44.41 #       <Zagor> i don't know
20.44.42 #       <elinenbe> Zagor: hehe
20.44.58 #       <Zagor> he wants to make a "Cost Benefit Analysis"!
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20.45.33 #       <elinenbe> items to be put in the safe and never looked at again "queue playing, hard drive writing, t-shirts"
20.45.45 #       <Zagor> haha
20.45.57 #       <langhaarrocker> :)
20.46.10 #       <Zagor> bagder is the tshirt guy. i know noooothing
20.46.36 #       <elinenbe> what about disk writing... I will gladly test it! :)
20.47.00 #       <langhaarrocker> Whenever Zagor writes about the t-shirt contest he makes me feel as if some middle sized catastrophe happened.
20.47.24 #       <elinenbe> I know what you mean...
20.48.01 #       <elinenbe> umm... tshirts... we'll get to it when possible!  Things are happening... Gotta go.  NOW!!! Bye!
20.49.08 #       <langhaarrocker> Normally it ends with something that could be a joke on bagder, but I never get the point.
20.49.15 #       <Zagor> hehe
20.49.40 #       <Zagor> elinenbe: i'll resume work on disk writing as soon as 1.4 is released.
20.49.54 #       <Zagor> i only have so many hours per day...
20.50.08 #       <langhaarrocker> I know what you mean.
20.50.09 #       <elinenbe> I have already worked on writing on my recorder.  Now it has a neat tattoo on the back!
20.50.19 #       <Zagor> :-)
20.50.20 #       <langhaarrocker> :)
20.50.24 #       <elinenbe> some of us have free time all day!
20.50.30 #       <elinenbe> later.
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20.51.27 #       <langhaarrocker> I only applied some cool scratches that makes the thing look really vintage.
20.53.16 #       <langhaarrocker> I have found a bug. It still happens with the bleeding edge rockbox. 
20.54.19 #       <langhaarrocker> Pressing my down or right button I don't hear any click any more. Please solve!
20.54.19 #       <langhaarrocker> hm.
20.54.19 #       <langhaarrocker> Where do I get replacement buttons? :)
20.54.44 #       <Zagor> hehe
20.54.58 #       <Zagor> you might be able to replace the microswitches, actually
20.55.13 #       <langhaarrocker> You can bet that I will do that.
20.55.29 #       <langhaarrocker> Maybe I have some spare ones lying around.
20.56.22 #       <langhaarrocker> There are a couple of dead md portables bouncing around here somewhere...
20.59.48 #       <langhaarrocker> The subscribers count of the rockbox list doesn't count subscribers using news.gmande.org, does it?
20.59.54 #       <Zagor> no
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21.08.01 #       <LinusN|tea> xam: player or recorder?
21.08.12 #       <xam> recorder 20
21.08.21 #       <LinusN|tea> can you do me a favour?
21.08.23 #       <langhaarrocker> LinusN: do you have macros in your irc client?
21.08.34 #       <LinusN|tea> langhaarrocker: no, unfortunately not
21.08.35 #       <LinusN|tea> :-)
21.09.34 #       <LinusN|tea> xam: can you d/l the latest bleeding edge (not daily) build?
21.10.09 #       <xam> yes, of course ... I can download it. But my player is at home right now (and I'm at work)
21.10.24 #       <LinusN|tea> ah, ok then. never mind
21.10.33 #       <LinusN|tea> what ROM version is it, btw?
21.10.38 #       <xam> LinusN you mean CVS, allright?
21.11.11 #       <LinusN|tea> the latest bleeding edge build is on the daily build page, below the large table
21.11.41 #       <xam> okay ..
21.11.41 #       <langhaarrocker> Did you know: The rockbox source is already more text than Tolkiens Lord of the Rings.
21.12.04 #       <Zagor> haha
21.12.05 #       <LinusN|tea> bloat
21.12.17 #       <xam> langhaarrocker I hope you're not going to make a film about it ...
21.12.28 #       <langhaarrocker> not without t-shirt.
21.14.50 #       <langhaarrocker> And I thing a film wouldn't suit the topic. I'd prefer an audio book.
21.17.16 #       <Zagor> a dramatic reading! :-)
21.24.08 #       <langhaarrocker> apropos drama: I forgot to mention the peak meter patch includes a feature that shows a slidebar for those settings that use set_int...
21.24.42 #       <Zagor> you should split stuff like that into a separarate patch
21.25.04 #       <langhaarrocker> I'd have done that if I remembered it early enough.
21.26.29 #       * langhaarrocker never get's things right
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21.27.12 #       <xam> langhaarrocker: you mean "never gets things right", not "get's"
21.27.24 #       <langhaarrocker> that's what I mean
21.27.35 #       <langhaarrocker> :)
21.27.40 #       <xam> langhaarrocker so you even didn't got this right ;)
21.27.50 #       <langhaarrocker> point taken
21.29.35 #       <langhaarrocker> I don't even get the size of ajbrec.ajz right. Mine is 14 kb bigger than the bleeding edge.
21.32.55 #       <xam> langhaarrocker but the same crosscompilers?
21.33.27 #       <langhaarrocker> It's bigger due to my additional sources for investigating bindable key schemes.
21.33.48 #       <langhaarrocker> And I have the star game, too
21.35.18 #       <langhaarrocker> And a peak meter patch and the start of a game I will probably never finish and a split editor... Things sum up.
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21.35.45 #       <LinusN|tea> Jet8810: player or recorder?
21.36.08 #       <langhaarrocker> lol
21.36.11 #       <Zagor> linus is on the hunt :-)
21.36.17 #       * LinusN|tea is busy today
21.36.31 #       <LinusN|tea> look! no macros!
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21.37.00 #       <langhaarrocker> Watch out for your keys: my up and my right key are already broken:)
21.37.20 #       <Zagor> macros?
21.37.21 #       <Jet8810> studio player
21.37.38 #       <LinusN> Jet8810: can you d/l the latest bleeding edge build?
21.41.06 #       <LinusN> Zagor: no keyboard macro for "<nick>: player or recorder?"
21.41.14 #       <Zagor> ah
21.41.19 #       <LinusN> :-)
21.46.16 #       <Jet8810> LInusN, sure
21.46.18 #       <Jet8810> why:
21.46.18 #       <Jet8810> ?
21.47.50 #       <langhaarrocker> I want to make a uisim for windows using cygwin. The makefile generated with configure complains it doesn't find i386-mingw32msvc-gcc. I just reinstalled the mingw package with the cygwin installer and it didn't help. Do I need any kind of external mingw stuff? Bad config? 
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21.48.54 Topic   "We are doing a Recorder hardware survey. Please download the latest bleeding edge build, go to Menu->Debug->HW Info and report the values to LinusN." by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
21.49.08 #       <Zagor> how's that? :-)
21.49.23 #       <LinusN> Jet8810: i want you to run a test for me
21.49.31 #       <langhaarrocker> Zagor: better than 'In Linus we trust'
21.49.36 #       <Zagor> hehe
21.49.47 #       <Jet8810> i have the PLAYER though linus
21.49.50 #       <LinusN> Zagor: not only Recorder
21.49.53 #       <Zagor> oh
21.49.54 #       <Jet8810> aint it recorder you want? hehe ;)
21.49.59 #       <Jet8810> oh ok
21.50.00 Topic   "We are doing a hardware survey. Please download the latest bleeding edge build, go to Menu->Debug->HW Info and report the values to LinusN." by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
21.50.11 #       <langhaarrocker> (I trust in Linus anyway)
21.50.17 #       <Zagor> fool
21.50.24 #       <Zagor> ;)
21.50.24 #       <LinusN> :-)
21.51.12 #       <LinusN> oops, i have forgotten a test... :-)
21.51.22 #       <LinusN> the MAS reset pin
21.51.27 #       <LinusN> never mind
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21.56.36 #       <langhaarrocker> Did some dirty code, gonna have a bath.  cu later.
21.56.43 #       <LinusN> l8r
21.57.02 #       <langhaarrocker> I'll never get things right...
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21.58.07 #       <Jet8810> alright
21.58.20 #       <Jet8810> viewing HW info on studio 20 shows rom: 5.06
21.59.11 #       <LinusN> use + to move to the next screen
21.59.24 #       <Jet8810> k
21.59.43 #       <Jet8810> usb: neg
21.59.48 #       <Jet8810> ata 0x300
21.59.56 #       <Jet8810> mask: 0000
22.00.18 #       <LinusN> thanks
22.00.31 #       <LinusN> what ROM version does the firmware say on boot
22.00.35 #       <LinusN> ?
22.01.03 #       <Jet8810> 5.08
22.01.49 #       <LinusN> how about that...
22.03.12 #       <LinusN> Jet8810: thanks a lot
22.03.49 #       <LinusN> ok, the players don't seem to use the mask
22.07.55 #       <PsycoXul> my studio20 says 5.03 on boot and in the hw info, otherwise the same as jet's
22.12.16 #       <LinusN> i'll include the MAS reset tomorrow
22.14.53 #       <LinusN> or maybe later tonight
22.16.15 #       <elinenbe|skating> what is the MAS reset for?
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22.18.17 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: resetting the MAS, of course :-)
22.19.37 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: yeah, well why is that needed?
22.21.57 #       <LinusN> to reset the MAS as initialization time, at startup
22.22.48 #       <elinenbe> LinusN: has this been a problem...
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22.29.07 #       <elinenbe> radhard: the protocol man.
22.35.06 #       <LinusN> elinenbe: no, it hasn't been a problem. we don't use it today
22.35.23 #       <LinusN> but since we're doing a survey, it might be nice to have that info too
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22.48.24 #       <Okidoki> Hi,
22.48.53 #       <Okidoki> how can i get ri of the : Saving failed, is the battery empty message?
22.51.07 #       <LinusN> Okidoki: you have to format the drive with a partition table
22.52.37 #       <Okidoki> Hi Linus, I have a parition table on the disk as far as I know... the partition is active it says
22.52.41 #       <Okidoki> with partition magic
22.53.54 #       <LinusN> ok, on which sector does that partition begin?
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23.04.18 #       <Okidoki> hm...I have no iedea..any idea how I can see that?
23.09.02 #       <LinusN> partition magic
23.09.24 #       <Okidoki> Okidoki: 
23.13.38 #       <Okidoki> hmmm...very strange disk errors to me..Info: End C,H,S values were large drive placeholders. Actual values are:         0  0  80      0    0    1  04   2431  254   63         0  39070080
23.13.48 #       <Okidoki> Error #120: Logical Drive chain extends toward start of drive.
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23.16.17 #       <LinusN> Okidoki: very strange, did you use PM to partition the disk?
23.16.26 #       <Okidoki> nope...with xp..
23.16.48 #       <Okidoki> partition magic wanted me to reboot when I tried, but then I got an error
23.17.03 #       <Okidoki> so I didn't succeed, I can reformat with xp thoug
23.19.48 #       <LinusN> that's funny
23.20.15 #       <LinusN> of all the guys that come to us with strange disk problems, 9 out of 10 use XP or w2k
23.20.22 #       <Okidoki> yeah....vewwwy funny
23.20.29 #       <Okidoki> sorry, I don'tknow much about xp
23.20.37 #       <LinusN> so PM chokes on the disk?
23.21.07 #       <Okidoki> yep, seems so, but I don't get why xp should be completely rebooted for an extern disk format
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23.26.51 #       <LinusN> well, if PM chokes on the disk I have no idea. XP isn't my expert field...
23.27.19 #       <Okidoki> what if I format it with Me or so?
23.27.39 #       <LinusN> that should be ok. Use fdisk to partition it
23.27.46 #       <LinusN> is fdisk in Xp too?
23.28.04 #       <Okidoki> nope...that is the problem...I can't fdisk it..
23.28.15 #       <LinusN> silly "operating system"
23.28.20 #       <Okidoki> I can see the partitions with partition magic though
23.28.23 #       <Okidoki> hehe...
23.28.41 #       <Okidoki> I need one big primary partition or? how should itbe partitioned?
23.29.24 #       <Zagor> i think "repeat off" should not show any repeat icon at all. the arrow is not intuitive.
23.30.27 #       <LinusN> Zagor: agreed
23.30.47 #       <LinusN> Okidoki: it must have a partition table, that's all
23.31.05 #       <LinusN> at least one primary partition with FAT32
23.31.27 #       <LinusN> not a logícal partition
23.31.35 #       <Okidoki> hmm...strange...it has that all the time..well ,will try it again.
23.31.48 #       <LinusN> Okidoki: maybe it's a geometry problem
23.32.16 #       <Zagor> LinusN: have you checked the last code with Farbror Frej? WPS doesn't work right for me.
23.32.30 #       <Zagor> it keeps displaying the song after last track has ended
23.32.31 #       <LinusN> Zagor: what happens?
23.32.37 #       <Okidoki> what is a geometry problm? I read that in PM
23.32.43 #       <LinusN> end of track detection?
23.32.51 #       <Zagor> LinusN: yeah
23.32.59 #       <LinusN> Okidoki: sectors per track and stuff like that
23.33.22 #       <LinusN> Zagor: we may have a problem with that
23.33.34 #       <Okidoki> ahh... can I fix those? or is that hardware related?
23.33.37 #       <LinusN> but i can't see what it might be
23.34.06 #       <LinusN> Okidoki: does PM say thing about LBA and CHS?
23.36.29 #       <Okidoki> strange...PM says in Partition Info that the disk is fat 16...doesn't mention the others
23.39.23 #       <LinusN> weirdo
23.39.31 #       <LinusN> old version of PM?
23.40.06 #       <Okidoki> version 8
23.40.15 #       <Okidoki> I can format in fat 32..will try now
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23.42.51 #       <radhard> Does this hardware survey reveal imortant information? If yes I can reassemble my recorder for that. 
23.42.52 #       <BoD[]> youhouuuuuuuuu
23.42.59 #       <LinusN> BoD[]: yo
23.43.10 #       <BoD[]> :)
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23.43.52 #       <LinusN> radhard: what ROM version?
23.43.53 #       <BoD[]> what does this value (for the survey) mean ?
23.44.12 #       <LinusN> it gives some information about the hardware
23.44.22 #       <LinusN> differences between versions
23.44.55 #       <BoD[]> the version of ... what exactly ? :) i'm just curious
23.46.25 #       <LinusN> BoD[]: the ATA_EN signal to the ISDx00, for instance, is routed through an inverter on some boards
23.46.44 #       <LinusN> and straight to the ISD on others
23.47.08 #       <LinusN> same goes for the PR signal for the recording DMA interface
23.47.19 #       <Okidoki> weird, I can format it with xp, but not with PM
23.47.19 #       <LinusN> and the MAS reset signal
23.47.21 #       <BoD[]> strange !
23.47.30 #       <LinusN> BoD[]: yes and no
23.47.46 #       <LinusN> they probably try to save components
23.48.09 #       <BoD[]> save ?
23.48.14 #       <LinusN> BoD[]: have you reported your hardware config?
23.48.22 #       <LinusN> save, as in costs
23.48.37 #       <LinusN> they can save some cents on removing the inverters
23.48.43 #       <BoD[]> so the new versions have less components, to be cheaper ? :))
23.48.54 #       <BoD[]> that's fun
23.49.15 #       <BoD[]> well i did not report it yet, i'll do it tomorrow at work
23.49.15 #       <LinusN> so far we have autodetected all those "features"
23.49.24 #       <LinusN> BoD[]: great
23.49.29 #       <BoD[]> :)
23.49.43 Quit    Okidoki ("http://chat.ircnet.org/ (EOF)")
23.49.50 #       <BoD[]> that's the less the users can do, to contribute to rockbox
23.50.32 #       <LinusN> Zagor: i know what the problem is
23.51.17 #       <LinusN> hmmm...on second thought, no i don't :-)
23.51.35 #       <Zagor> i'm debugging it
23.52.04 #       <radhard> LinusN: 1.17 i think, but not sure 'cause disassembled :)
23.52.53 #       <LinusN> radhard: that's the most interesting version
23.53.16 #       <radhard> Ok, i'm on it...
23.56.35 #       <LinusN> Zagor: so no TRACK_CHANGE on the last track?
23.56.47 #       <Zagor> LinusN: it's not that. i'm on it...
23.57.45 #       <radhard> Ok, it's 1.17. Info ROM:1.18 (boot says 1.17) Mask:0x0002 USB:negative ATA:0x300 PR:negative
23.58.27 #       <LinusN> does it say plain 1.17 on boot, not 1.17i or 1.17ia?
23.58.30 #       <radhard> Sorry, boot says 1.17i